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Re: apt-get online question

2003-08-28 Thread Doug MacFarlane

apt-setup

will let you configure online sources, either via http or ftp.  It will also
prompt you for adding the debian security sources, which is also a good
idea.

madmac


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> When installing Debian I was asked if I want to use apt-get online or from
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> through the dbconfig again, or is there another way of doing it. I would
> really like to use either cdrom or online.
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> Thank you,
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[Oh Joy]: Preliminary PHP4 support for Apache2

2003-08-28 Thread Xavier Maillard

Hi,

Since ages now I am struggling to have a full Apache2/PHP4 safe,
reliable and _usable_ environment ready and running at home but not only.

What a surprise when I've seen the latest PHP4 package update was the
first to officially "embedd" (typo ?) Apache2 support !

Okay it is not used/built against it currently, but this is now question
of time and yeah I am pretty excited about that ;)

So this message was just to say to all of you, yes you can expect to
have a PHP4 running under the so awsome Apache2 right now.

Hold on !

Regards to all DD that eveyday, do their maximum to make us happy with
our system,

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Joey Hess

Steve Lamb wrote:
> That's just it, I don't like C indenting any more, period.  It isn't
> "someone else's style" that is the problem, it is the fact that it is the
> antithesis of how I've grown to like to code.  Lemme put it this way:
> 
> C:
> if foo
> bar;

That's bad style unless you have a reason to know for sure that you will
only ever need exactly one statement in the if. Since there's no benefit
to leaving out the braces and you'd have to think hard every time you
did, it's better to just avoid this C misfeature entirely..

> It boils down to this.  In Python if I want something to be in a block, I
> smack tab and don't even need to worry about my editor doing the right thing. 

Then you just hit open brace, and let the editor worry about doing the right
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email server setup

2003-08-28 Thread Joyce, Matthew


Dear Debian-Users,

Could someone direct me to a step by step guide to setting up a mail sever.
SMTP,IMAP is required, SSL for both would be preferable but not essential.

thanks muchly

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apt-get online question

2003-08-28 Thread William Bradley

When installing Debian I was asked if I want to use apt-get online or from 
cdrom. I chose cdrom but now I would like to go on line.  Do I have to go 
through the dbconfig again, or is there another way of doing it. I would 
really like to use either cdrom or online.

Thank you,

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Re: Debian and KDE (Update 3, It works!! )

2003-08-28 Thread William Bradley

Once again, thank you to all who responded to the above.
 
When logged in as "root" I can access "kppp" from the command line. I can
also access it from the "Internet Dialer" icon from within KDE.

As a user in KDE and using the "Internet Dialer" icon I am still getting:

KDEInit could not launch 'kppp': Could not find 'kppp' executable.

> what you need to do is change the permissions on kppp. Open konqueror in
> Super User mode. you will find the menu entry for this is in system>more
> programs. go to /usr/bin and sroll down until you find the kppp entry.
> right click on it to get the properties srceen. select the perrmissions tab
> and select the exec/others option. then try kppp again.
>
> Note: for changing perrmissions, which is what we are doing here, there is
> a faster way from the command line. If any one knows this please post it.
>
> hope this helps
>
> pete

This solved the problem in part. It allowed me to dial out but it immediately 
died with a pppd problem. It turned out that because I had already set up a 
dialup, when I was installing, it caused a conflict with kppp. The problem 
was solved be adding "noauth" under the "pppd" in the modem setup.

Thanks again,

Bill.

 
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diagnosis - was Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-28 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 02:35, Jacob Anawalt wrote:

> Wow, those were some rules. It will take a bit for me to get my head 
> around them.  Are you looking at a book on ipchains at the same time by 
> chance? You have so many similar rules in the input, forward and output 
> chains, that it reminds me of my old ipchains rules.

The rules are from Real World Linux Security by Bob Toxen.

> 
> I need to know some stuff though.
> 
> Email from Linux account or VMWare client works? Try both and let us know.

Email from Debian works.  I don't get email via Win98 - I might as well
douse myself in steak sauce and jump in the tiger pit at the zoo.
> 
> Browser from Linux account or in VMWare Win98 works? Try both and let us 
> know.
IE from Win98 works, Mozilla from Debian doesn't.

With these rules, samba couldn't restore the mapped drive I have from
Win98 to /home/user.


> Also:
> Does ping to www.debian.org work from either/both?
Debian: yes VMware: yes
> Does ftp to ftp.us.debian.org work from either/both?
Debian: yes VMware: yes
> Does imap3 to some imap account (if you have one) work from either/both?
Not a clue.  I don't have an imap account.
> Does https to some secure server work from either/both?
Yes from IE in Win98.
No from Debian Mozilla.  Here's an example of the messages:
Aug 28 17:35:55 ganesha kernel: DROPl:IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.2.30
DST=205.156.51.200 LEN=44 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=21328 DF
PROTO=TCP SPT=34131 DPT=80 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

I'm curious that IN is blank.

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Re: [OT-ish] IGPL - Idea General Public Licence

2003-08-28 Thread Hubert Chan

> "Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Karl> What if we made a GPL for Ideas?  Write up your idea, and licence
Karl> it under a GPL like licence.  Since I cannot just get a thing done
Karl> or manufactured, perhaps I can get my idea accomplished by simply
Karl> sharing it...?

Ideas cannot be copyrighted.  In order to protect an idea, you need to
patent it, which costs money and effort, and then you can make a
license, but it's not really worth it if you're just going to give it
away.

What some people have done (unfortunately, I don't have a link) is to
write up ideas, thus providing documentation for prior art, which
prevents others from patenting your idea.  But that won't force people
who use your idea to open up improvements on your idea.

Karl> I was thinking about how things like that could be done under a
Karl> GPL or open hardware like system, with an industry co-op for
Karl> research and design sharing, college tuition scholarships,
Karl> internships, etc...  they could licence the blueprints in some way
Karl> that would ensure that nobody "takes over" and overcompetes for a
Karl> sales area or something... but there could be more factories and
Karl> distributed world wide to simplify logistics for new ones and
Karl> _compatible_ replacement parts.

Designs and blueprints are probably copyrightable (maybe depending on
jurisdiction), and so you could apply the GPL, FDL (without invariant
sections, etc.), or any other free license.

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Re: [DEB-USER] Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Paul M Foster

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:07:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:57, bob parker wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:55, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:
> > > > > > Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
> [snip]
> > > One thing I learned a *long* time ago is that even an 80286 is faster
> > > than people typing, reading the screen, moving the mouse, getting a
> > > cup of coffee, etc.
> >
> > If you are using some graphical interface it just isn't faster at all. Dos
> > based programs were though, we had to get into Pentiums before Windows
> > proggies were up to what we had on the 286.
> 
> So I *am* a Luddite after all: a good text interface is just as
> good as any GUI interface, and a hell of a lot faster.
> 
> I had pull-down menus, dialog boxes, etc in CP/M, when using
> TurboPascal.
> 

No kidding! I could completely do without X and GUI for anything but 
programs that have to deal with graphics. A text-based (curses) 
interface is sooo much faster for data entry, etc. And you can 
definitely make them look decent.

Unfortunately, it's damn hard to find curses programs and toolkits these 
days. They exist, but hardly anyone codes that way now. It's all GUI.

And while we're off topic, why does the console emulate VT100 and xterms 
emulate VT102? And can anything be done about it?

Paul


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Re: Debian Networking problems

2003-08-28 Thread Erinn

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 15:39, Ronnie Tarkas wrote:
> I have just recently installed and set up a Debian GNU/Linux
> machine
> I know for a fact that the Network card is working, as I downloaded
> and installed things with apt-get..

Yay :)

> Now, I can't connect to the Debian server, from my WinXP computer, via
> our local network,  nor can I access it by FTP.

How are you trying to connect? Telnet? SSH? How exactly is the network
setup? You would have to setup an FTP server in order to access it like
that. Telnet or SSH should work fine connecting to the internal IP
address. 

> What should I do, in order to enable the Debian for use on my LAN, and
> FTP.
> Setting up accounts/users/groups etc

It depends. How do you want it setup? Do you want Debian to be a gateway
machine or do you already have another computer for that purpose? If so,
I assume you've got the Deb box routing packets through it already..
Share the specifics and I'm sure someone (me or someone else) can point
you in the right direction.

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Re: modules of different kernels (same version)

2003-08-28 Thread Paul E Condon

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:44:47PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Robert Epprecht (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> 
> > I have read different documents about kernel compiling,
> > but something is still not clear to me:
> > 
> > If I compile different kernels (of the same version) most documents
> > say to rename the /lib/modules/x.x.x/ directory before doing the
> > 'make modules_install' step.
> > 
> > How can I boot the system after that with an older version?
> > 
> > Could somebody please give a pointer to a document describing how
> > to do that?
> 
> You can use the "EXTRAVERSION" of the Kernel to have the Modules
> installed in different directories. Take a look at the Makefile in your
> Kernel source directory. It begins with something like:
> 
> VERSION = 2
> PATCHLEVEL = 4
> SUBLEVEL = 22
> EXTRAVERSION =
> 
> When you compile different Kernels from the same source and want to
> install them on one system, set the extraversion to different values
> (normally beginning with an "-"). This way the modules will not be
> installed in the same directory. With the above configuration, modules
> go to /lib/modules/2.4.22. If I set EXTRAVERSION to -custom, modules go
> to /lib/modules/2.4.22-custom. The Kernel knows about its extraversion
> and automatically looks for modules in the correct directory.
> 
> Maybe you also want to take a look at kernel-package and its make-kpkg
> program. It allows you to make deb packages containing kernel source,
> doc, image/modules and headers from your source.
> 
_Not_ maybe! For sure, you should look at kernel-package and make-kpkg!
The naming of sets of modules is done automagically in Debian. Use it,
and watch what it does. You will see the changes that others must do
by hand.

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Re: strange xawtv problem...

2003-08-28 Thread Nicos Gollan

On Thursday 28 August 2003 22:26, Bruno Boettcher wrote:
>   since the last update somehow xawtv has a problem
>
> xawtv
> This is xawtv-3.88, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.20-3-k7)
> NV: could not get NV card info (Das Argument ist ungültig)
> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
>   Major opcode of failed request:  143 (GLX)
>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
>   Serial number of failed request:  303
>   Current serial number in output stream:  303

As a workaround, disable the GLX extension in your XF86Config. I have the same 
problem on one of my machines and haven't found another way around this so 
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Re: VIA CPU's

On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 10:52 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 15:36, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:01 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:16, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote:
> > > > > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote:
> > > > > > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > > > > > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
>
> [snip]
>
> > > "You ask us the same question every day, and we give you the
> > > same answer every day. Someday, we hope that you will believe us..."
> > > U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to a reporter
> >
> > yes it is pounds sterling and as jokes go that is right up there with the
> > iraq dossiers (this is a ignorance test).
>
> As much as I'd love to believe otherwise, none of "us" are going
> to know The Truth for a good long while.
>
> Some think the Bush Administration is filled with nothing but the
> ignorant, the evil, or both, and thus clutch to any report of wrong-
> doing, even when it was written by someone by someone who believes
> the Bush Administration is filled with nothing but the ignorant,
> the evil, or both, and thus slant the article thru commission or
> omission.
>
> Likewise, there are those who think the Bush Administration walks
> on water, and, likewise, clutch to any positive reports.
>
> Me, all I know is that the Administration isn't perfect.
>
> This is the last I will write of this on the list...
>
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You fail the test

The "iraq dossiers" refer to two documents released by the british goverment 
(not the american goverment) on iraq's WMDs. 

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Re: What is the Best DVD burner for linux?

2003-08-28 Thread Greg Madden

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>
> Thanks,
> Jake Johnson
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This list has some good info on what works..etc.

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For dvd-r I use Pioneer, A105-4x & A104-2x, these are older models so 
the models numbers may be different today. The Sony 500x gets good 
reviews, from users. I have a scsi dvd burner, quite expensive, you 
need a compelling reason to go this route, my IDE model works as well 
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Re: modules of different kernels (same version)

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez

 --- Robert Epprecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > I have read different
documents about kernel compiling,
> but something is still not clear to me:
> 
> If I compile different kernels (of the same version) most documents
> say to rename the /lib/modules/x.x.x/ directory before doing the
> 'make modules_install' step.
> 
> How can I boot the system after that with an older version?
> 
> Could somebody please give a pointer to a document describing how
> to do that?
> 
> Thank you, Robert Epprecht.

Robert,

Save yourself some trouble and read this fine HOWTO on compiling kernels
the Debian way.

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

By using kernel-package, you can do it all in a few steps and also easily
differentiate your kernel versions.  I always do something like this:

cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.xx/
make menuconfig
make-kpkg clean
fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=mmdd --append-to-version=-z
cd ..
sudo dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.xx-z_mmdd_i386.deb

It is very simple.

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Re: modules of different kernels (same version)

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Janssen

Hello

Robert Epprecht (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I have read different documents about kernel compiling,
> but something is still not clear to me:
> 
> If I compile different kernels (of the same version) most documents
> say to rename the /lib/modules/x.x.x/ directory before doing the
> 'make modules_install' step.
> 
> How can I boot the system after that with an older version?
> 
> Could somebody please give a pointer to a document describing how
> to do that?

You can use the "EXTRAVERSION" of the Kernel to have the Modules
installed in different directories. Take a look at the Makefile in your
Kernel source directory. It begins with something like:

VERSION = 2
PATCHLEVEL = 4
SUBLEVEL = 22
EXTRAVERSION =

When you compile different Kernels from the same source and want to
install them on one system, set the extraversion to different values
(normally beginning with an "-"). This way the modules will not be
installed in the same directory. With the above configuration, modules
go to /lib/modules/2.4.22. If I set EXTRAVERSION to -custom, modules go
to /lib/modules/2.4.22-custom. The Kernel knows about its extraversion
and automatically looks for modules in the correct directory.

Maybe you also want to take a look at kernel-package and its make-kpkg
program. It allows you to make deb packages containing kernel source,
doc, image/modules and headers from your source.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: E1000 nic fails; used to work

On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 4:24 pm, Kent West wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
> > I've got a fairly new Dell GX260 with an integrated gigabit nic. I
> > started out with 2.2.20 (stable), but that didn't recognize the nic,
> > so I used Knoppix to download a newer kernel (2.4.18, and all the
> > attendent dependencies), and after adding "e1000" to /etc/modules, the
> > network started working for me! Yea! I then promptly upgraded to
> > unstable.
> >
> > That worked for several weeks, until my office mate returned to work,
> > and booted into Windows (dual-boot, obviously). Now when I boot into
> > Debian, dhcp doesn't find any address, and when I manually run
> > "/etc/init.d/networking start" I get errors like "recieve_packet
> > failed on eth0" and "network is down". The network works fine from
> > Windows, as this email is proof.
> >
> > I tried another kernel upgrade, this time to 2.4.18-4-686,
>
> I meant "2.4.21-4-686".
>
> > but the network responds the same. I figured I'd try a static address,
> > to see what that results in. Here's my interfaces file, and the results.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk> cat /etc/network/interfaces
> > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
> >
> > # The loopback interface
> > auto lo eth0
> > iface lo inet loopback
> >
> > #iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >
> > iface eth0 inet static
> >address 150.252.161.230
> >netmask 255.255.248.0
> >
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network> sudo /etc/init.d/networking start
> > Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter.
> > Configuring network interfaces... done.
> > e1000: eth0 NIC Link is Up 10 Mbps Half Duplex
> >
> > Mon Aug 25   16:52:39
> > -
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network> ping 150.252.128.193
> > PING 150.252.128.193 (150.252.128.193): 56 data bytes
> > ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
> > ping: wrote 150.252.128.193 64 chars, ret=-1
> > ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
> > ping: wrote 150.252.128.193 64 chars, ret=-1
> >
> >
> >
> > Any clues would be appreciated.
>
> Some further testing revealed that I can ping the gateway, so I added
> that to my /etc/network/interfaces file, and now I can ping by address.
>
> Then I tinked with /etc/resolv.conf, and now I can ping by name.
>
> I still can't get a dhcp address though. When I looked in dselect at
> dhcp-client and at pump, both are not installed. Yet the errors
> mentioned above are prefaced with DHCP_DISCOVER or something similar,
> which would indicate to me that I have some dhcp client installed (and I
> used to have one, as it used to work).
>
> Has one of my upgrades deleted my dhcp client? If so, which client
> should I install: dhcp-client or pump or something else?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
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hi

try dhcpcd. I use it at home to look up my IP address from my router but I 
can't remember how I set it up. 

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Re: VIA CPU's - heatsink/fans

2003-08-28 Thread Alvin Oga



On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:13:47 -0500
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What brand of fans and CPU cooler do you use?

first attempt..
- try those heatsink/fans that market themself as "silent fans"

whole bunch of fans
http://www.Linux-1U.net/HeatSinkFans/heatsink.gwif.html

> Heck if I know.  My GF thinks I'm enough of a geek because I can describe
> from memory my CPU and motherboard.  If I were able to describe what fan I was
> using on the CPU she'd leave me for sure.  A woman has to have some standards.

c ya
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Mark Ferlatte

John Hasler said on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:16:28PM -0500:
> Mark Ferlatte writes:
> > If your company tolerates internal politics, well, you're going to be in
> > trouble when your competitor, who doesn't tolerate that kind of crap,
> > comes along.
> 
> There are no organizations without internal politics.

Okay.  I disagree (and am happily working for one with a stated policy against
such wastes of effort and time), but obviously I'm not going to convince you
otherwise.  Such is life.

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Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Nathan E Norman

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:36:34PM +0100, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:01 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:

[ 43 million levels of quoting ]

> > It was a joke.  Note the emoticon ":-p".  I may be American, but
> > I'm not *that* ignorant.  Besides, isn't it Pounds Sterling?
> >
> > "You ask us the same question every day, and we give you the
> > same answer every day. Someday, we hope that you will believe us..."
> > U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to a reporter
> 
> yes it is pounds sterling and as jokes go that is right up there with
> the iraq dossiers (this is a ignorance test).
 ^
"an" ignorance test, surely?

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Re: CD players not working although sound otherwise fine

2003-08-28 Thread Edward Murrell

Try chmod 770 /dev/hdc
Other than that, try running it as root. One thing you may find useful
as a side note is the digital CD plugin for XMMS.

apt-get install xmms-cdread

It enables reading of CD's so the digital-analog conversion is done on
the sound card instead of in the CD drive, and transmitted through that
EM hellhole that is the inside of a PC.

Regards
Edward

On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 04:09, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I can't use any of the apps that are supposed to work on my CD drive
> such as cdplay, dcd, xmcd. 
> 
> Sound is otherwise fine: I can play mp3 files from the hard disk and I
> can listen to CDs by pressing the buttons manually. 
> 
> Attempts to use the above apps produce the following errors:
> 
> ac:~:$ cdplay
> cdplay: ioctl cdrommsf
> 
> 
> ac:~:$ dcd
> ac:~:$ CDROMREADTOCENTRY[1] failed: Invalid argument
> CDROMREADTOCENTRY[2] (CDROM_LEADOUT) failed: Invalid argument
> CDROMPLAYMSF failed: Input/output error
> 
> Something seems to be misconfigured but what? I am added to the sound
> and cdrom groups and iso9660 is enabled in the kernel. This is an ATAPI
> drive and /dev/cdrom is linked to /dev/hdc:
> 
> brw-rw1 root cdrom 22,   0 Jul  5  2000 /dev/hdc
> 
> 
> Any suggestions for what is wrong here?
> 
> AC
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Re: VIA CPU's

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 15:36, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:01 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:16, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> > > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote:
> > > > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote:
> > > > > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > > > > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
[snip]
> > "You ask us the same question every day, and we give you the
> > same answer every day. Someday, we hope that you will believe us..."
> > U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to a reporter
> 
> yes it is pounds sterling and as jokes go that is right up there with the iraq 
> dossiers (this is a ignorance test).

As much as I'd love to believe otherwise, none of "us" are going
to know The Truth for a good long while.  

Some think the Bush Administration is filled with nothing but the
ignorant, the evil, or both, and thus clutch to any report of wrong-
doing, even when it was written by someone by someone who believes 
the Bush Administration is filled with nothing but the ignorant, 
the evil, or both, and thus slant the article thru commission or
omission.

Likewise, there are those who think the Bush Administration walks
on water, and, likewise, clutch to any positive reports.

Me, all I know is that the Administration isn't perfect.

This is the last I will write of this on the list...

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Re: Command line printing

2003-08-28 Thread Wayne Gemmell

Hi
> You seem to be tackling many problems at once.
> First get the network printing to work, and then OOo.
> Also, from what you wrote below, I assume you use CUPS instead of Samba
> for network printing.
Can you use cups to print from a win$ computer?

>
> > Oo seems to need a commandline input and
> > this is what I'm starting with and also where my confusion begins.
> > A few questions,
> > Which package is lp part of?
>
> If you are using CUPS, cupsys-bsd will give you the commandline
> printingcommands (so-called BSD-style) like lpr, lpq, lprm.
> 'lp' is the name of the default printer in unix-systems.
> So if you have cupsys-bsd installed and named your printer lp, regular
> programs (and OOo) should give you no problems.
I was refering to the command lp, as in 

Wuler:/home/wayne# lp -d HP710 zzz
lp: unable to print file: server-error-service-unavailable

but I get the same errors using lpr

Wuler:/home/wayne# lpr -P HP710 zzz
lpr: unable to print file: server-error-service-unavailable

and 

Wuler:/home/wayne# cupsdoprint -P HP710C zzz
server-error-service-unavailable

No errors are picked up in the cups error log with max debugging set.

>
> > [Errors when printing]
>
>  From the web-interface, can you print a test-page?

Yep, works fine, also all printing through KDE programs (kprinter I think)

> Also it would help to know the details:
> 1. To which computer is the printer attached?

Wuler (localhost)

> 2. On which computer is cups running?

Wuler (localhost)

> 3. Why is Samba being used?

Windows connectivity

>
> Good luck,
Thanks :)
>
> Stefan
I am in the lp group and lpadmin group and cupsd is running

Thanks
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Kirk Strauser

At 2003-08-28T19:56:49Z, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> EG these are wrong:
>
> C:
> if foo
> bar;

I agree.  When I was learning C, I was taught to *always* use brackets, even
when they weren't necessarily, specifically to make it easier to expand:

  if (foo)
  {
bar;
  }

into

  if (foo)
  {
bar;
baz;
  }

should the need arise.  Seeing non-bracketed expressions like that
fundamentally bothers me.
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Re: Debian Networking problems

2003-08-28 Thread Edward Murrell

First question - Can you ping it, or can the debian box access the
network and/or Internet.

For user/groups see commands adduser, and addgroup (you can get the
manual pages for these by typing in man adduser, and man addgroup
at the console).

There's also a couple of tools under GNOME and KDE to manage these 
things - apt-get install kuser gnome-system-tools - (if you're running
unstable) should help you set these up.

Regards
Edward

On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 07:39, Ronnie Tarkas wrote:
> I have just recently installed and set up a Debian GNU/Linux
> machine
> I know for a fact that the Network card is working, as I downloaded
> and installed things with apt-get..
>  
> Now, I can't connect to the Debian server, from my WinXP computer, via
> our local network,  nor can I access it by FTP.
>  
> What should I do, in order to enable the Debian for use on my LAN, and
> FTP.
> Setting up accounts/users/groups etc
>  
> I am a total Newb, so I will appreciate any and all help.
>  
> Regards
> Ronnie

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Kirk Strauser

At 2003-08-28T18:37:34Z, Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'd guess the latter.  I've seen what could have been good software
> engineering if management had been willing to work within the system.

I wasn't thinking - 'nuff said.

Yeah, I remember a particular manager that was duly impressed by the
detailed and useful design documents that my team had developed.  About 2
months into the 6 month project, he wanted to know what the project looked
like.  "Oh, it's coming along well," we said.  "See, we've already
implemented and tested all of these components."

"That's nice," said Manager, "but what does it *look* like?"

Us: "Huh?"

Him: "Can you demo the interface?"

Us: "Erm, no.  We won't even start on the user interface for another two
months."

Him: "YOU'VE BEEN WORKING FOR TWO MONTHS AND YOU CAN'T EVEN DEMO IT?!?"

Us: "Well, I can show you how the modules look.  See?  I just frobnitzed the
knob from 500 miles away!"

Him: "So, I'm supposed to tell my boss that there's NOT EVEN A DEMO
INTERFACE?!?"

Us: "Well, right"

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Re: VIA CPU's

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:23, Joey Hess wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > The primary design goal of these x86 CPUs is low power usage.  In
> > fact, they just released a *passively cooled* 733MHz CPU.
> 
> And? I have a 867 mhz transmeta cpu in my laptop. No fan. No heat
> issues. I think their newer models go up to 1 ghz.

Great!  When Transmeta pushes their chips into otherwise standard
kit, they'll sell like the C3 has been.  Until then, a laptop is 
too expensive for most people.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:20:07 -0700
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>what do you do if the indentation is lost? you e.g. copy and paste or 
> email piece of code etc. and it changes spaces into tabs or vice versa 
> or removes newlines or somebody accidentally joins two lines together or 
> otherwise changes formatting... what do you do then? how would you know 
> whether baz was supposed to be part of if or not?

Indention isn't magically lost and you're speaking of copies.  The problem
in all those cases lays in the transport or in the person who doesn't know
what he is doing, not the code.  2+ years of working with Python and your
scenerio has come up exactly 0 times in my experience.

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Re: modutils and module-init-tools duplicating work

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez

 --- Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> It seems that modutils and module-init-tools are duplicating most of the
> work.
> Both of them do some check as of the kernel's ability to load modules,
> module-init-tools also checks for /proc/modules.
> Then both run depmod, modutils does a bit more work at it.
> Next both of them load all the modules in /etc/modules and check about
> modules in /boot.
> Is this redundant work on purpose, or is it a bug, since there is no
> problem installing both packages together, which causes a bunch of
> module already in the kernel errors on startup.
> 

modultils -- kernel < 2.5.48
module-init-tools -- kernel >= 2.5.48

Of course, module if module-init-tools finds an earlier kernel, it passes the
work on to the old version.

-Roberto

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Double "VPN"-PPD-SSH network break

2003-08-28 Thread Botha, Francois

Hi,

I've got a interesting-playing-with ssh-vpn type setup where I tunnel over
SSH to a remote machine and start up pppd so these two machines are
networked, the command is something like:

pppd nodetach noauth 192.168.0.1:192.168.0.2 pty 'ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bin/startupvpn.sh'

Where on [EMAIL PROTECTED]:bin/startupvpn.sh I have something like:
pppd notty noauth proxyarp

This works 100% I can transfer large-ish files quite acceptably (surprising
for SSH and PPPD working like that!) and it's up all the time and
re-establishes nicely when my connection drops.

To make things a tad more complicated now, I have a static route to vpnbox2
over vpnbox (route add vpnbox2 gw vpnbox). At this point I can ping/scp/etc
fine to vpnbox2 by going over vpnbox's "VPN". 

I for fun now want to have not only a ppp1 (for vpnbox) on my localbox (as
in my local machine) but a ppp2 (for vpnbox2) which obviously get's routed
via vpnbox (ppp1) anyway (I have no way of reaching vpnbox2 directly being
the reason for this) so I can go mad as-if vpnbox2 is on my own LAN... this
is where the problems start creeping in (using exactly the same pppd scripts
as above).

The connection is made from localbox -> vpn -> vpnbox2, I get my IP address,
etc, I can ping the other side, ssh to it with it's new local ip and it all
looks fine. But - As soon as I start doing anything more
bandwidth-orientated the connection just 'hangs'.

I can reproduce this problem by pinging vpnbox2 through the vpn continiously
(to serve as diagnostic) and then starting a scp, as soon as scp starts
copying the file to vpnbox2 - the ping's just stop.
PPPD on either side does not complain, I'll merely get a LCP timeout after
my pppd option's timeout values gets reached.
I've tried various things, playing with compression & no-compression &
changing algorithms on both the pppd and ssh side on both sides of the
connection (localbox & vpnbox2).
I've tried making the mtu&mru's both big and small and other way round and
one way round with absolutely no effect.

During the 'hanging' phase I can still 'ping' the realworld-ip address (and
see the ports I am supposed to see from the outside world) of vpnbox2 so it
is not a connectivity/firewalling issue as far as I can see. - The only way
to re-establish the vpn to vpnbox2 is to kill the ssh's and pppd's on
localbox and vpnbox2 and re-run my pppd, it is fine again until a big packet
makes it's way through ): The behaviour of when the vpnbox2 connection dies
also seems to have nothing to do with latency of localbox, vpnbox or
vpnbox2.

While yes - I do realise that this is most definitely not the most efficient
way to do the "VPN"'s, it is more a fun experimentation of working around
third world country ISP's with nasty routing and where the end's of the
VPN's cannot necessarily see each other directly without a performance
impact. 

So - does anybody have any idea why a VPN routed over another VPN (in the
SSH-PPPD) sense, just seems to break when (it looks like) fragmentation
happens?!

Many thanks!
Francois Botha







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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread John Hasler

Mark Ferlatte writes:
> If your company tolerates internal politics, well, you're going to be in
> trouble when your competitor, who doesn't tolerate that kind of crap,
> comes along.

There are no organizations without internal politics.
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Re: nis installation question

2003-08-28 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Z F  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a question regarding NIS+ client installation.
>
>I am doing it for the first time and I think I followed all procedures
>from the NIS-HOWTO correctly.
>
>I am running unstable.
>
>The problem is that it worked, but after reboot it does not :-)

There is a bug in the current glibc that fscks up NIS. See
bugs.debian.org

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Re: Slow CD burning with k3b, cdrecord

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Janssen

Hello

Christof Hurschler (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I can't seem to get my 8x CDRW to record faster than 8x.  

Well, if you have an 8x writer, you can not record faster than 8x.
That's why it is called "8x".

> I've let k3bsetup do it's thing, so I don't understand why I get the 
> warnings below.

> [...]
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set
> RR-scheduler /usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set
> priority using setpriority().
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer
> underruns.
> [...]

You probably get this warning because cdrecord is not suid root.  Check
the permissions. If you use SID, /usr/bin/cdrecord only is a script
that calls two different binaries: cdrecord.mmap and cdrecord.shm. In
this case you will have to check the permissions of these files. Maybe

dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord 

can change the settings for you.

best regards
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Re: Problems getting ATI driver for X working.

2003-08-28 Thread amg

> I just got my brand new PCI Radeon 7000. I popped it in and it booted
> However, X won't use the ati driver. It keeps saying no devices found. I
> can get it to at least
> start if I use the ati driver with framebuffer disabled, but then it spews
> garbage on the screen
> and locks up.
> Any ideas?

I use the ALl-In-Wonder 8500DV, and had the same problems. (although I don't
use the framebuffer, don't know if that makes a differance)

First off, what version of the XServer are you using? For me, I had to
upgrade to testing for it to work.

I'm hoping this fixes your problem.


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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Erik Steffl

Steve Lamb wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:52:35 -0600
Jacob Anawalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Was this code on a Unix system, or did you have one nearby? Did you know 
about the indent program at the time? (man indent)
 

It _seems_ to work for me to convert someone elses sytle (or lack of it) 
in coding C into a format that I like (K&R).


That's just it, I don't like C indenting any more, period.  It isn't
"someone else's style" that is the problem, it is the fact that it is the
antithesis of how I've grown to like to code.  Lemme put it this way:
C:
if foo
bar;
Python:
if foo:
bar
Want to extend it?

Python:
if foo:
bar
baz
C:
if foo
bar;
baz;
Bzt, wrong

if foo {
bar;
baz;
}
  what do you do if the indentation is lost? you e.g. copy and paste or 
email piece of code etc. and it changes spaces into tabs or vice versa 
or removes newlines or somebody accidentally joins two lines together or 
otherwise changes formatting... what do you do then? how would you know 
whether baz was supposed to be part of if or not?

	erik

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modules of different kernels (same version)

2003-08-28 Thread Robert Epprecht

I have read different documents about kernel compiling,
but something is still not clear to me:

If I compile different kernels (of the same version) most documents
say to rename the /lib/modules/x.x.x/ directory before doing the
'make modules_install' step.

How can I boot the system after that with an older version?

Could somebody please give a pointer to a document describing how
to do that?

Thank you, Robert Epprecht.


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Re: how to get ssh-agent to work again?

2003-08-28 Thread James Strandboge

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:11, Alexander Koch wrote:

> Now, where do I have to put ssh-agent in my .xinitrc

> exec /usr/bin/gnome-session

use:
exec ssh-agent /usr/bin/gnome-session

Jamie

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Re: VIA CPU's

On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:01 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:16, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote:
> > > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote:
> > > > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > > > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > Well, to answer your question he mean a cooler costing 25 pounds and
> > > > another cooler costing 8 pounds.
> > >
> > > How can a cooler *cost* a unit of force? :-p
> >
> > pounds is the unit of british money.
>
> It was a joke.  Note the emoticon ":-p".  I may be American, but
> I'm not *that* ignorant.  Besides, isn't it Pounds Sterling?
>
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yes it is pounds sterling and as jokes go that is right up there with the iraq 
dossiers (this is a ignorance test).

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amavis and exim 3

2003-08-28 Thread Streph Treadway

Hey, Everyone,

I have been recently trying to get amavis (amavisd-new and
amavisd-new-milter) to work with Exim 3 and have been having some
problems.

I have included the sections outlined in
/usr/share/doc/amavisd-new/README.exim_v3 in my exim.conf changing 
only current_directory="/var/amavis" to "/var/lib/amavis" to reflect 
the Debian directory location.  I believe my changes to the amavis.conf
in the amavisd-new package are the self-evident ones necessary to work
with my system and exim 3. 

Nevertheless, when processing any mail, I get the following error, and
no mail is delivered:

2003-08-07 06:37:17 19ruGU-0006oE-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=amavis defer
(0): Child process of amavis transport returned 75 (could mean temporary
error) from command: /usr/sbin/amavis

I suppose I have amavis misconfigured, but after looking over
amavis.conf, the documentation, the amavis website, debian bug reports,
google searches on the error, etc. I am still not seeing the problem.  Any
ideas what might produce such a result?

Yours,


Streph


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Debian Networking problems

2003-08-28 Thread Ronnie Tarkas




I have just recently installed and set up a 
Debian GNU/Linux machine
I know for a fact that the Network card is working, 
as I downloaded and installed things with apt-get..
 
Now, I can't connect to the Debian server, from my 
WinXP computer, via our local network,  nor can I access it by FTP.
 
What should I do, in order to enable the Debian for 
use on my LAN, and FTP.
Setting up accounts/users/groups 
etc
 
I am a total Newb, so I will appreciate any and all 
help.
 
Regards
Ronnie

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strange xawtv problem...

2003-08-28 Thread Bruno Boettcher

Hello,

  since the last update somehow xawtv has a problem

xawtv
This is xawtv-3.88, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.20-3-k7)
NV: could not get NV card info (Das Argument ist ungültig)
X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
  Major opcode of failed request:  143 (GLX)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
  Serial number of failed request:  303
  Current serial number in output stream:  303

used to work fine before so maybe i am missing something somewhere
any hint on getting this work again appreciated...

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Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Joey Hess

Ron Johnson wrote:
> The primary design goal of these x86 CPUs is low power usage.  In
> fact, they just released a *passively cooled* 733MHz CPU.

And? I have a 867 mhz transmeta cpu in my laptop. No fan. No heat
issues. I think their newer models go up to 1 ghz.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread tallison

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:35:25 +0200
> Francois Bottin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Compare it with SUN's recomendations for Java (but useable also for C):
>> if (cond) {
>> block;
>> } else {
>> block;
>> }
>
>> In this case I find it much better than the GNU Coding Standards, and
>> there
>> is only one line more than Python...
>

What are the GNU Coding Standards???

Never heard of them


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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:29:36PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:21, Diego Calleja Garc?a wrote:
> > El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:12:22 -0500 Ron Johnson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi?:
> > > KDE is pretty fast, and the MS VC++ generates excellent binaries.
> > 
> > Tried running kde apps outside of kde?
> 
> Well, no.  Why should it matter?

Starting up KDE applications outside KDE (often?) requires starting up a
number of random daemons which are normally running if you use KDE for
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Re: resolv.conf file

2003-08-28 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:06:57PM -0400, Victory wrote:
| I setup my machine as a dhcp client, once in a while 
| it add 000 to the end of search entry in "resolv.conf" file 
| i.e "search mydomain.com\000" and it causing machine can not
| ping other machine by name,
| Where're these number 000 come from and how do to protect it
| from doing it again ???

Search the archives.  This was discussed in-depth a week or two ago.
Some windows dhcp server returns the \000 in the response and dhclient
is dutifully recording it in resolv.conf.  I don't recall the
solution(s) because I don't operate in an environment with a windows
dhcp server, the the archives have the solution(s).

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[OT] Regenerating mldodonkey file download list

2003-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin

Occasionally my machine dies and if mldonkey was running at the time
then I lose the download file list (which can mean losing several Gigs
of data).
Anyone knows how to generate such a list from the temp directory?
Its the debian version of the package.

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libperl-dev -- question to debian user

2003-08-28 Thread Keith Goettert

Title: Message

I have also noticed
that libperl.a seems misplaced. Did you ever get an answer out of the
community?
==
From: Bill
Moseley
Why does it seem like libperl.a is in the wrong place?

I'm running testing.

ii perl 5.8.0-18 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report
ii perl-base 5.8.0-18 The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister.
ii perl-doc 5.8.0-17 Perl documentation.
ii perl-modules 5.8.0-18 Core Perl modules.
ii libperl-dev5.8.0-18 Perl library: development files.
ii libperl5.6 5.6.1-8.2 Shared Perl library.
ii libperl5.8 5.8.0-18 Shared Perl library.

Trying to build a perl binary linked with a module (for debugging
reasons):

$ make perl
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/CORE/libperl.a', needed by `perl'. Stop.

$ dpkg -S libperl.a
libperl-dev: /usr/lib/libperl.a

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Re: TrueType fonts (again)

2003-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin

You could try

dpkg -L 

to see where the packages were installed and then add that path under
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4

also make sure that you either have a font server or that you are
loading the true type fonts module for X. Try adding 
Load "freetype"
to the modules section. also can help
Load "type1"
Next try running xfontsel and see that the fonts appear. You also may
have to change the settings for the kde ups to use the true type fonts.

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 05:43, Robert Storey wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I know the issue of TrueType fonts has been covered many times before,
> but I 
> looked in the archives and didn't find the solution to my specific
> problem. 
> Which is:
> 
> I upgraded to Sid. Mozilla, which previously had bitmapped fonts, now
> has 
> TrueType fonts - apt-get dist-upgrade" seems to have handled this 
> automagically . That's great, but Konqueror, Kmail, and Sylpheed (among 
> others) are still stuck in bitmap mode. I tried installing a Chinese
> TrueType 
> font (I use Chinese occasionally) from Sid, and Mozilla recognized it
> without 
> a hitch. Again, the other apps mentioned above did not.
> 
> I'm perplexed as to why some apps would recognize the fonts while others
> will 
> not. Sometime to do with the fontpath perhaps? But how to correct it?
> 
> TIA,
> Robert
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modutils and module-init-tools duplicating work

2003-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin

It seems that modutils and module-init-tools are duplicating most of the
work.
Both of them do some check as of the kernel's ability to load modules,
module-init-tools also checks for /proc/modules.
Then both run depmod, modutils does a bit more work at it.
Next both of them load all the modules in /etc/modules and check about
modules in /boot.
Is this redundant work on purpose, or is it a bug, since there is no
problem installing both packages together, which causes a bunch of
module already in the kernel errors on startup.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Mark Ferlatte

Ron Johnson said on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:16:22PM -0500:
> The SDLC and corporate politics are independent.  Academics should
> take corporate politics into consideration when coming up with these
> theories.
 
There's a good reason they don't: corporate politics are not a benefit to the
company, and therefor don't fit into most models of how a corporation "works"
(since many models assume rational behavior, ie, behavior that will benefit the
group as a whole).  If your company tolerates internal politics, well, you're
going to be in trouble when your competitor, who doesn't tolerate that kind of
crap, comes along.

> With tight budgets and tight schedules, I've *never* seen a project
> rewritten.
 
Rewriting from scratch is dangerous anyway; you exchange all of the bugs you
know about for a whole new set of bugs which you haven't discovered yet.
Better to improve what you've got.  This can result in a totally different
codebase after a while, but at least you have been able to test and release
along the way.

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Re: Linux - CDR

2003-08-28 Thread Henning Moll

On Thursday 28 August 2003 21:32, Henning Moll wrote:
> which is fine for most distributions (including debian/woody) but not
> debian/sid, because /usr/bin/cdrecord is not a binary anymore but a shell
> script wrapper to cdrecord.mmap resp. cdrecord.shm. The real binary files
> (mmap/shm) also need to be in group cdrecording:

Hmm AFAIK, the reason is that s-bit is not working for shell scripts, so the 
wrapper is only executed with group permission (cdrecord) and that's why the 
shell script is not able to execute the real binary, because it is in group 
cdrom. Can anybody confirm that?

Henning

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:21:53 +0200
Diego Calleja García <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:12:22 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> escribió:
> > KDE is pretty fast, and the MS VC++ generates excellent binaries.
> Tried running kde apps outside of kde?

No.  But I do run GTK apps outside of Gnome in Kde.  No, wait, I have run
KDE apps outside of KDE.  Yeah, they're still fast; they just take a bit
longer to load up the first time since they have have to load DCOP and
cousins.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

I really loathe people who CC me things they respond to on list.  Even
more so for people who send a completely separate message.  Here's the short
version of what I had sent in private.

> Pyhton I have to think. Also my editor doesn't support % for python, it
> can't autofold python and so on a loot of good things that i have in
> most languanges are just not there in Python. 

I'd be curious as to what editor that is since most serious Unix and
Windows editors do have support for Python.

> There is a nice program to fix this it's called indent...

Already addressed elsewhere.

> if test: do first
> else: do other
 
> isn't good any more, there is still differences and different ideas...
> It's just not the same ones. 

It never was.  Now add a line to either block.  I am a firm believer that
if the code must change form to be extended further down the road you coded it
wrong in the first place.  EG these are wrong:

C:
if foo
bar;

Perl (pre 5.6):
unless foo {
bar}

Perl (even now)
bar unless foo;
bar if foo;

Python:
if bar: foo

In each case if you go in and have to add something to the code the code
changes form.  This is wrong because it creates an inconsistent view of
certain constructs which lead to bugs.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:35:25 +0200
Francois Bottin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Compare it with SUN's recomendations for Java (but useable also for C):
> if (cond) {
> block;
> } else {
> block;
> }
 
> In this case I find it much better than the GNU Coding Standards, and there
> is only one line more than Python...

Except the else does not line up with the if and it is too easy to skip
over that line with your eyes and miss what it is.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:18:54 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 07:23, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > SLOC?
 
> Source Lines Of Code.  Basically, source code that has been stripped
> of comments and blank lines.

Ah.  I'd never heard of that one before.  Thanks.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:10:33 +0200
Anders Arnholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the main reasons is that Python leaves a loot of the resolving to
> runtime, that means that the code actually has to be run before you can
> see tha actuall typo found at compile time in languanges as C. 

This is offset by the fact that the code-compile-run cycle is reduced to
code-run.  Furthermore a lot of prototyping of code can be done interactively.
When I run into a situation where I'm not sure exactly how I want to do
something I open another window, fire up Python, import the appropriate
libraries and twiddle with the code until I get a form that works.  Then I
take that and put it back into the main code.

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[OT-ish] IGPL - Idea General Public Licence

2003-08-28 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom

What if we made a GPL for Ideas?  Write up your idea, and licence it
under a GPL like licence.  Since I cannot just get a thing done or
manufactured, perhaps I can get my idea accomplished by simply sharing
it...?

I thought of this, again, while reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/28/technology/circuits/28wind.html

... and:

http://www.vestas.dk/

I was thinking about how things like that could be done under a GPL or
open hardware like system, with an industry co-op for research and
design sharing, college tuition scholarships, internships, etc...  they
could licence the blueprints in some way that would ensure that nobody
"takes over" and overcompetes for a sales area or something... but there
could be more factories and distributed world wide to simplify logistics
for new ones and _compatible_ replacement parts.


These wind-dragons --- will they slow the wind down, and thus prevent
air pollution from being flushed from our cities?

Never mind.

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Slow CD burning with k3b, cdrecord

2003-08-28 Thread Christof Hurschler

I can't seem to get my 8x CDRW to record faster than 8x.  I've let k3bsetup do 
it's thing, so I don't understand why I get the warnings below.

any suggestions would be appreciated.

Chris

System
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K3b Version: 0.9
KDE Version: 3.1.2
QT Version:  3.1.2

cdrecord
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scsidev: '0,1,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Cdrecord 2.01a14 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jörg Schilling
TOC Type: 3 = CD-ROM XA mode 2
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
atapi: 1
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info: 'IDE-CD  '
Identifikation : 'R/RW 8x4x32 '
Revision   : 'C1.3'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO 
Supported modes: TAO PACKET RAW/R16
Drive buf size : 1572864 = 1536 KB
FIFO size  : 4194304 = 4096 KB
/usr/bin/cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
/usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using 
setpriority().
/usr/bin/cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
Track 01: data33 MB
Total size:   38 MB (03:50.64) = 17298 sectors
Lout start:   39 MB (03:52/48) = 17298 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 5
  Is not unrestricted
  Is not erasable
  Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3)
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11634 (97:26/66)
  ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71)
Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 3
Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation
Blocks total: 359846 Blocks current: 359846 Blocks remaining: 342548
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 8 in real TAO mode for multi session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 2 seconds.
1 seconds.
0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01:0 of   33 MB written.
Track 01:1 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  68%]   6.8x.
Track 01:2 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   2.5x.
Track 01:3 of   33 MB written (fifo  98%) [buf  86%]   3.7x.
Track 01:4 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.8x.
Track 01:5 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.2x.
Track 01:6 of   33 MB written (fifo  98%) [buf  96%]   4.2x.
Track 01:7 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.2x.
Track 01:8 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.1x.
Track 01:9 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  92%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   10 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.3x.
Track 01:   11 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.2x.
Track 01:   12 of   33 MB written (fifo  98%) [buf  91%]   3.7x.
Track 01:   13 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  95%]   4.8x.
Track 01:   14 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   15 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.0x.
Track 01:   16 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.2x.
Track 01:   17 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   18 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.0x.
Track 01:   19 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.2x.
Track 01:   20 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  95%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   21 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   22 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   23 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  93%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   24 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   25 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  98%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   26 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  95%]   4.0x.
Track 01:   27 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.2x.
Track 01:   28 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.0x.
Track 01:   29 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   30 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   31 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.1x.
Track 01:   32 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  97%]   4.0x.
Track 01:   33 of   33 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  96%]   4.1x.
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 35422208/35422208 (17296 sectors).
Writing  time:   71.176s
Average write speed   3.6x.
Min drive buffer fill was 86%
Fixating...
Fixating time:   64.465s
/usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo had 558 puts and 558 gets.
/usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 473 times full, min fill was 
92%.

cdrecord comand:
---
/usr/bin/cdrecord -v gracetime=2 dev=0,1,0 speed=8 -eject -multi -xa 
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:10, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-08-28T18:15:09Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > SDLC!  What a joke!
> 
> OK, I'll bite.  Does everyone here honestly hate software engineering?  Or
> is it that they haven't seen it done well?

I, for one, love it when I have a job to do. But if I just feel like
hacking at some code I don't like it. I find that just feeling out a
program as I go along is much more fun. But when I just need to get a
job done, having a good plan in place is the greatest thing in the
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Nathan E Norman

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:10:10PM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-08-28T18:15:09Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > SDLC!  What a joke!
> 
> OK, I'll bite.  Does everyone here honestly hate software engineering?  Or
> is it that they haven't seen it done well?

I'd guess the latter.  I've seen what could have been good software
engineering if management had been willing to work within the system.
(In other words, "we need this feature NOW" isn't always a great
reason to make release X.Y happen _today_).

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Re: resolv.conf file

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:06, Victory wrote:
> I setup my machine as a dhcp client, once in a while 
> it add 000 to the end of search entry in "resolv.conf" file 
> i.e "search mydomain.com\000" and it causing machine can not
> ping other machine by name,
> Where're these number 000 come from and how do to protect it
> from doing it again ???

You're probably on a network that has a Windows machine running as the
DHCP server. If that's the case I know that pump (apt-get install pump)
will handle the information correctly and strip the \000 from the end.
dhclient may have some way of getting around it, but I just use pump if
I'm in a Windows environment.

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Re: Linux - CDR

2003-08-28 Thread Henning Moll

On Wednesday 27 August 2003 21:15, Wayne Gemmell wrote:
> Have you gotten K3B to work for regular users? I get the error

Yes, but i did run into the same problem:

after a fresh install of package cdrecord, its main files have these 
permissions:

# ls -la /usr/bin/cdrecord*
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  142 2003-07-08 19:08 cdrecord
-rwsr-xr--1 root cdrom  310060 2003-07-08 19:08 cdrecord.mmap
-rwsr-xr--1 root cdrom  310476 2003-07-08 19:08 cdrecord.shm

running k3bsetup changes this to

# ls -la /usr/bin/cdrecord*
-rwsr-x---1 root cdrecording  142 2003-07-08 19:08 cdrecord
-rwsr-xr--1 root cdrom  310060 2003-07-08 19:08 cdrecord.mmap
-rwsr-xr--1 root cdrom  310476 2003-07-08 19:08 cdrecord.shm

which is fine for most distributions (including debian/woody) but not 
debian/sid, because /usr/bin/cdrecord is not a binary anymore but a shell 
script wrapper to cdrecord.mmap resp. cdrecord.shm. The real binary files 
(mmap/shm) also need to be in group cdrecording:

# chgrp cdrecording cdrecord.mmap cdrecord.shm

That should do the trick. 
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:58:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500
> >> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed
> >> > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages.  They were designed with
> >> > large projects in mind (the whole Software Design Life Cycle bit).
> >>
> 
> SDLC!  What a joke!
> 
> I've never seen a large project managed in any Corporation that didn't
> utterly suck.

The SDLC and corporate politics are independent.  Academics should
take corporate politics into consideration when coming up with these
theories.

> The notion that software development is more Organic is closer to the
> truth.  Even with the best planning, you typically will run software
> development along the path of:
> 
> Design it
> Build it
> Deploy it
> Rewrite from scratch and have something that works.

With tight budgets and tight schedules, I've *never* seen a project
rewritten.

> Modify from there as needed to evolve with the understanding of and needs
> of the applications 'itch'.
> 
> That's an evolutionary process.

See my above comments regarding the SDLC.  They are the same.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Kirk Strauser

At 2003-08-28T18:15:09Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> SDLC!  What a joke!

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Re: Debian and KDE (Update 2)

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Janssen

Hello

William Bradley (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Once again, thank you to all who responded to the above.
> 
> When logged in as "root" I can access "kppp" from the command line. I
> can also access it from the "Internet Dialer" icon from within KDE.
> 
> As a user in KDE and using the "Internet Dialer" icon I am still
> getting:
> 
> KDEInit could not launch 'kppp': Could not find 'kppp' executable.
> 
> Something has to be modified somewhere but hanged if I know where. If
> anyone knows could you tell me the file that has to be modified.

Check the permissions for kppp. The kppp executable normally is only
executable by owner (root) and group (dip). Make sure you are member of
the dip group. If you add yourself to the dip group while logged in
with your user id, you have to log out and in again to apply the
change.

best regards
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread bob parker

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:13, Jacob Anawalt wrote:
> bob parker wrote:
> > C is easier to learn than shell scripting, the elements at least, much
> > less
> >
> >Perl. I personally find it quicker to code a dirty fix in C than anything
> >else and would not really consider shell programming for anything other
> > than glue for a sequence of other commands.
> >
> >Just my 2 bits.
>
> Another great example on why the variety is a good thing. I agree on the
> C vs shell. The only way I write shell scripts is by example. I don't
> understand it well enough to write a script from a blank page. On the
> otherhand, I _so_ find myself wishing I could use regexp's this way in
> C/C++:
>
Try man regex.
Seems that there are regex libraries for the C hacker. Never had need to use 
them myself yet but someday??

> $email_in = 'Anawalt, Jacob; <[EMAIL PROTECTED],com>; runme&';
> $vc = 'a-zA-Z0-9'; #Valid username and domain characters
> $vd = '.-'; #Valid domain non-characters
> $vu = $vd . '_'; #Valid username non-characters (domain plus an underscore)
>
> $email_out = $email_in;
> $email_out =~ s/,/./g;
>
> # Look for just the [EMAIL PROTECTED] portion of the email
> if($email_out =~ /([$vc][$vc$vu]*)\@([$vc$vd]*[$vc])?/) {
>#Match worked, email is just [EMAIL PROTECTED] portion
>$email_out = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; #$1 and  $2 are the patterns \1 and \2 matched
> from the regexp
> } else {
>#Match failied, empty string;
>$email_out = '';
> }
>
> print "$email_out\n"; #Prints [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> If somone else is happier writing a cool  class and some loops or
> figuring out a C++ regexp class to do this, or just some adept use of C
> string library calls, more power to you. :)
>
> Jacob


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Re: VIA CPU's

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:16, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote:
> > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote:
> > > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Well, to answer your question he mean a cooler costing 25 pounds and
> > > another cooler costing 8 pounds.
> >
> > How can a cooler *cost* a unit of force? :-p
> >
> 
> pounds is the unit of british money. 

It was a joke.  Note the emoticon ":-p".  I may be American, but
I'm not *that* ignorant.  Besides, isn't it Pounds Sterling?

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Re: Linux - CDR

2003-08-28 Thread Wayne Gemmell

> >
> > -rws--x---1 root cdrecord  142 Jul 10 14:16
> > /usr/bin/cdrecord so I'm back where I started.
> > Also whats the s in the perms(above)? i.e. rws and how is it set?
>
> The "s" means that if executed, the cdrecord program will not run with
> your user id, but with the user id of the owner of cdrecord, which is
> root. Removing the suid bit (setting executable permissions ftom s to x
> as you did) results in the error message "cdrecord does not run with
> root privileges. To set it on a file, you can use chmod u+s. This can
> also be used for the group a file belongs to (but this is not necessary
> for cdrecord).
>
> On my system, I did not change any file permissions with K3b. On normal
> Debian systems it is  not necessary because they already have a group
> for CD writing. It is called "cdrom". Normal permissions for cdrecord
> are:
>
> -rws--x---1 root cdrom
>
> If you want the K3b setup with the cdrecord group, make sure you are
> member in that group because otherwise you cannot execute cdrecord. The
> same is true if you use the standard setup with the cdrom group. If you
> add your user id to a group, you will have to log out and log in again
> to apply the change.
>
> If your cdrecord executable still cannot be found afterwards, try to
> reconfigure the path K3b expects programs to be (something like
> Options/Programs in K3b).

Thanks for the help, for archive purposes my new perms are
-rwsr-x---1 root cdrecord  142 Jul 10 14:16 /usr/bin/cdrecord
I needed to add read access to the group and keep the suid bit.

Wayne


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how to get ssh-agent to work again?

2003-08-28 Thread Alexander Koch

I was using gdm for some time and it worked nicely.
At some point I was only using xinit and it worked
and only with xinit I have my umlauts (tricky case,
long story).

Now, where do I have to put ssh-agent in my .xinitrc
or so so that all terminals opened have it? If I start
it in my .xinitrc, it prints stuff on the vc where I
start it from but the environment variables are not in
the terminals of course.

Any idea? My .xinitrc looks like this:

export LANG=de_DE
/usr/bin/x-window-manager&
xhost +localhost
exec /usr/bin/gnome-session

Really, life without ssh-agent is a pain if you have
numerous hosts/routers and your pass phrase is rather
long...

Regards,
Alexander


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Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread tallison

> Ron, you disappoint me :-(
>
> Clearly he is referring to the force exerted in raising the fan from zero
> potential energy (the ground) to a state of higher potential energy
> (perhaps
> his desk).  Obviously, that is what it cost :-)
>
> The 8 pound cooler is better becuase it cost less to move it to higher
> potential energy.
>
> -Roberto
>

Oh Good Lord!!!

And all I wanted to know is if these make decent web servers


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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 11:06, Alan Shutko wrote:
> Anders Arnholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > If this happen in C, :0=G and it's possible to read, if we have the
> > same situation in Pyhton I have to think. Also my editor doesn't
> > support % for python, it can't autofold python and so on a loot of
> > good things that i have in most languanges are just not there in
> > Python.
> 
> So, basically, you don't like Python because your text editor is
> junk.  Fix it or go find a real editor!

Heck, vim in default mode (no syntax coloring) is Good Enough.

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:21, Diego Calleja García wrote:
> El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:12:22 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> 
> > KDE is pretty fast, and the MS VC++ generates excellent binaries.
> 
> Tried running kde apps outside of kde?

Well, no.  Why should it matter?

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Re: VIA CPU's

On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote:
> > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
>
> [snip]
>
> > Well, to answer your question he mean a cooler costing 25 pounds and
> > another cooler costing 8 pounds.
>
> How can a cooler *cost* a unit of force? :-p
>

pounds is the unit of british money. 

pete


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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread tallison

> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:58:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500
>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed
>> > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages.  They were designed with
>> > large projects in mind (the whole Software Design Life Cycle bit).
>>

SDLC!  What a joke!

I've never seen a large project managed in any Corporation that didn't
utterly suck.

The notion that software development is more Organic is closer to the
truth.  Even with the best planning, you typically will run software
development along the path of:

Design it
Build it
Deploy it
Rewrite from scratch and have something that works.

Modify from there as needed to evolve with the understanding of and needs
of the applications 'itch'.

That's an evolutionary process.

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resolv.conf file

2003-08-28 Thread Victory

I setup my machine as a dhcp client, once in a while 
it add 000 to the end of search entry in "resolv.conf" file 
i.e "search mydomain.com\000" and it causing machine can not
ping other machine by name,
Where're these number 000 come from and how do to protect it
from doing it again ???

Regards,
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Thomas Krennwallner

Hi!

On Thu Aug 28, 2003 at 01:54:44AM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:08:08AM +0200, Thomas Krennwallner wrote:
> > Go and read "Design Patterns: Elements Of Reusable Object-Oriented
> > Software"[1]. It's THE book for developers who think like you. He, I was
> > in your group, but after reading this book I was enlightened ;-)
> 
> I have it on my shelf and have used it from time to time. Good book. But
> it contains a lot of examples of exactly what I'm talking about. "Okay,
> so you want the interface to this class to be defined by this other
> class, which" Argh.
> 
> I hope you didn't mention that book to make a point about reusable code, 
> because it doesn't present any reusable code. "Patterns" yes. "Reusable 
> code" no.

Well than I suggest to read the Preface:

A word of warning and encouragement: Don't worry if you don't understand
this book completely on the first reading. We didn't understand it all
on the first writing!

;-)

No, you're right. It needs a lot of practise and nitty-gritty knowledge
of C++ to apply patterns. But I have another reading suggestion: John
Vlissides "Pattern Hatching: Design Patterns Applied". He's one of the
GoF and wrote this book as successor to the PatternBook. Many examples,
good style, fun reading ...

So long
Thomas

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Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez

 --- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote:
> > > 
> > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > >>>
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> [snip]
> > Well, to answer your question he mean a cooler costing 25 pounds and 
> > another cooler costing 8 pounds.
> 
> How can a cooler *cost* a unit of force? :-p

Ron, you disappoint me :-(

Clearly he is referring to the force exerted in raising the fan from zero
potential energy (the ground) to a state of higher potential energy (perhaps
his desk).  Obviously, that is what it cost :-)

The 8 pound cooler is better becuase it cost less to move it to higher
potential energy.

-Roberto

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Mike Mueller

On Thursday 28 August 2003 10:55, Tom Badran wrote:
> On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 14:36, Mike Mueller wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 August 2003 05:18, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> > > The One True Editor
> >
> > vi - for C, C++, Python, DocBook, HTML, whatever...
>
> that be smelling like petrol to me .

c'mon, c'mon (he-he)

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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Diego Calleja García

El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:12:22 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> KDE is pretty fast, and the MS VC++ generates excellent binaries.

Tried running kde apps outside of kde?


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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Paul E Condon

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:58:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed
> > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages.  They were designed with
> > large projects in mind (the whole Software Design Life Cycle bit).
> 
> Oh how I would love to find who came up with that particular catch phrase
> and retort with my 10.5's in the posterior of said person.
>  
> > If you want a (IMHO) good mix between QnD and OO, try Python.  It
> > is totally comfortable with procedural coding and OO coding.
> 
> O yeah.  To me coding is organic.  I know what I want the program to
> do, I dunno how to get there.  Actually doing helps me think and see where to
> go.  Ya get this working, then you branch out and do this.  In the process
> this doesn't work so you tweak it a little.  The whole notion of designing the
> program before you program it seems odd because programming is designing IMHO.
> 
Here's a suggestion to give your programmmer's view of design the appearance of
academic respectibility. 

Doing design requires a language in which to record the results of your 
thinking (design work). That language can't be English, or any other _natural_
language, because such languages are lacking in the kind of rigor that design
needs. C is a language which has sufficient rigor to handle recording a design.
It can handle recording a partial design that is a work in progress. Coding
in C before you have a complete design is _good_. It allows you to keep your
thinking straight in a way that recording your design in a natural language
would never do.

And, in some cases, like the present one, appearances are good.

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Re: security updates. What about Kernel patches

2003-08-28 Thread Rob Weir

[Please don't top quote!  It makes your message harder to read,
especially in long threads.]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:03:47PM +0100, Greg Bolshaw wrote:
 
> Vincent Dupont wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm staring with Debian and find the security updates very usefull with
> >apt-get
> >It's very comfortable to keep one's packages up to date
> >But what happens when a package update concerns the Kernel? Should the
> >kernel be re-compiled or not?? is it automatically re-compiled?
>
> The kernel doesn't get upgraded with an `apt-get upgrade`, it must be 
> done manually:

Of course, you'll know about this immediately when you get a mail from
the debian-security-announce list which you've already subscibed to from
http://lists.debian.org/, right? :-)

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Re: TrueType fonts (again)

2003-08-28 Thread Rob Weir

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:31:50PM +0200, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> On Thursday 28 August 2003 04:43, Robert Storey wrote:
> > I upgraded to Sid. Mozilla, which previously had bitmapped fonts, now
> > has
> > TrueType fonts - apt-get dist-upgrade" seems to have handled this
> > automagically . That's great, but Konqueror, Kmail, and Sylpheed (among
> > others) are still stuck in bitmap mode.
> 
> Two things:
> 
> Mozilla has its own font handling (via FreeType) while QT (and thus KDE) and 
> other X applications use the X font system. 

This isn't true anymore.  Qt (and KDE) in Sid use fontconfig to get
their fonts.  Now you'll need to add a /foo/bar entry to
/etc/fonts/local.conf telling fontconfig where to find your TrueType
fonts.

Just to complicate things, if you install "mozilla-xft" then Mozilla
will use fontconfig, as well.

> Depending on your setup, you'll 
> have to make sure that X knows about the fonts. If you don't see the fonts 
> with xfontsel, have a look at your /etc/XF86Config-4 and check if the font 
> path is set correctly. If so, you might have to recreate the font index in 
> the directory the TT fonts are installed.

xfontsel will tell you if your fonts are available as "X core fonts",
which GTK1.2, Qt2.2 and most older X apps use.  "fc-list" will list
fonts available to the fontconfig system (and apps using it).

> If X knows about the fonts but any QT based application fails to see them, 
> edit the file ~/.qt/qtrc and set the variables useXft and enableXft to 
> 'false'. This seems to be a bug in QT.

Not sure about this bit, but I've certainly had KDE3 and GNOME2 and
Mozilla (with mozilla-xft) all have access to my fonts without editing
anything aside from the fontconfig config file.

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Re: VIA CPU's