Woody: Remembering Desktop Assignment?

[Joel Konkle-Parker]

Is it possible to make Gnome 1.4 / Sawfish on Woody "remember" which 
desktop an application is placed in? For example, when I download 
something in Galeon, it opens up gtm to manage it. I usually move that 
out of the way in desktop 4. But if it's not running already, it opens 
up in whichever desktop I'm currently in. Is it somehow possible to 
"assign" gtm to desktop 4?

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Re: DHCP over bridge between WiFi and wired

[Bill Moseley]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:30:47PM -0700, Barak Pearlmutter wrote:
> I have a WAP which serves DHCP requests.
> I have a laptop with an 802.11b interface.  The laptop connects
> to the WAP and gets its IP address via DHCP.
> I have another device (Grandstream BudgeTone-101, a non-wireless SIP
> phone) which uses DHCP as it boots.
> The laptop has an otherwise-unused wired ethernet interface.
> I would like to use the laptop as a bridge, thus allowing the SIP
> phone to plug into the laptop while I'm laying in bed.

I can't help, but I do have a question:  Do you need to use a cross over 
ethernet cable when connecting the phone to the laptop?


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Re: Midnight Commander: A full desktop, or application

[Kent West]

Charles Muller wrote:

A recent post to the list recommended Midnight Commander on the
desktop. I went to their site to read the explanation and look at some
screen shots. From what I could see, it is not clear whether MC
completely *replaces* Gnome as one's desktop, or if it more like a
sophisticated file manager that one can utilize while working on another
DM like Gnome or KDE. ?
Chuck

 

What's the address of "their site"? I'm curious to see what you saw.

mc (Midnight Commander) is a text-based file manager; as such, it 
certainly would not replace a gui desktop environment such as Gnome. A 
gui version of mc is gmc (Gnome Midnight Commander), but again, it's 
just a file manager, not a replacement for window manager/tools/etc.

   apt-cache show mc
and
   apt-cache show gmc
will give you more info.
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Midnight Commander: A full desktop, or application

[Charles Muller]

A recent post to the list recommended Midnight Commander on the
desktop. I went to their site to read the explanation and look at some
screen shots. From what I could see, it is not clear whether MC
completely *replaces* Gnome as one's desktop, or if it more like a
sophisticated file manager that one can utilize while working on another
DM like Gnome or KDE. ?

Chuck

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Re: Gnome 2 panel lossage

[Mark Roach]

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 23:32, Bill Wohler wrote:
> I've been waiting months but still haven't seen the asclock panel widget
> appear in Gnome 2. Will it never come?

Almost certainly not, not in the default gnome anyway. More than one
clock was deemed unnecessary. Perhaps someone has ported it to
gnome2...?

> Is the Gnome menu editor ever going to reappear? I'd like to add my own
> menu items to the Gnome main menu for those applications not already
> present.
 
Browse to applications:/// in nautilus and you can add/remove items just
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DHCP over bridge between WiFi and wired

[Barak Pearlmutter]

I have a WAP which serves DHCP requests.
I have a laptop with an 802.11b interface.  The laptop connects
to the WAP and gets its IP address via DHCP.
I have another device (Grandstream BudgeTone-101, a non-wireless SIP
phone) which uses DHCP as it boots.
The laptop has an otherwise-unused wired ethernet interface.
I would like to use the laptop as a bridge, thus allowing the SIP
phone to plug into the laptop while I'm laying in bed.

$ grep -A9 br0 /etc/network/interfaces

iface br0 inet dhcp
pre-up egrep --silent '^3c59x' /proc/modules || modprobe 3c59x
pre-up /etc/init.d/pcmcia start || true
pre-up cardctl insert || true
pre-up ifconfig eth0 down || true
pre-up ifconfig eth1 down || true
bridge_ports all
bridge_maxwait 5
bridge_stp on

The bridge seems to work fine, except that the SIP phone never gets
its IP address.  Ie DHCP does not seem to completely cross the bridge.

Any hints?
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Re: mail-check

[Bill Moseley]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:04:02PM -0700, user list wrote:
> When I recently updated testing, I lost the mail-check in gnome. Is
> there something to replace this? It should be part of gnome-applets.

Another to add to the list:

   gbuffy http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/gbuffy/

Although I've never been able to get it to display the subject summary, 
and sometimes it stops checking a folder.  Otherwise, I like it.

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Re: apt upgrade stops with "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)"

[MJ Inabnit]

Thanks Christopher.  That did the trick nicely!  And thanks to the quick response 
team!  Sarge is really beginning to look and feel good.

snipped from web archive
I just did an apt-get update and this new package (3.0.0-20031207-1.1) 
installed flawlessly. I'm running Sarge, too, so everyone affected 
should now have access to the fix.

Christopher Martin

On Thursday January 8 2004 19:07, Florian Ernst wrote:
> A fixed package (3.0.0-20031207-1.1) is supposed to get into
> unstable today.
>
> If you don't want to wait for it you can add a line containing
> exec 0<&1
> after 'db_stop' in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foomatic-filters.postinst

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openwebmail 2.21 first time run: holidays permission denied !

[Andrea Tasso]

hi all,
I tried openwebmail 2.21

after loggin in and pushing the button of the
"Please click continue to proceed to the Open WebMail configuration screen" page

I get an error

Open WebMail ERROR
Couldn't open /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/etc/holidays directory for reading! 
(Permission denied)

I had a look to permisions adn they looks OK ...
any help ?

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Re: apt-get update question

[Andrea Tasso]

I think things do not go like this.
If you comment out some lines from your sources.list and then apt-get update, you will 
build another database with 
only the packages of the lines not commented out.


On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:48:12AM +0800 or thereabouts, Stephen Liu wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Following is the content of /etc/apt/sources.list in my Debian box
> 
> #deb copy:///cdrom/ sarge main
> 
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official NetInst Snapshot i386 
> Binary-1 (20031118)]/ unstable contrib main
> 
> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
> 
> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib
> deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib
> 
> 
> If I expect update only taking effect on "testing main" whether I have to 
> comment out;
> # deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
> # deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib
> # deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib
> 
> And if I expect update only taking effect on "stable main" whether I have to 
> comment out;
> # deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> # deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> 
> I failed to find information on man apt-get
> 
> Kindly advise
> 
> TIA
> 
> B.R.
> Stephen Liu
> 
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serial terminal and reboot troubleshooting with new kernel

[truck loser]

Recently I installed woody with the 2.2 kenel. When I upgraded to the 2.4 kernel I was left with too nerve racking problems. 
First, my serial terminal no longer prints out the startup and shutdown messages.  Also, no iptables logging is showing up on the terminal (but is on monitor).
Second, I cannot reboot.  Computer shuts down, says Rebooting... then I just get a blank screen.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Gnome 2 panel lossage

[Bill Wohler]

I've been waiting months but still haven't seen the asclock panel widget
appear in Gnome 2. Will it never come?

Is the Gnome menu editor ever going to reappear? I'd like to add my own
menu items to the Gnome main menu for those applications not already
present.
 
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Re: Missing package on mirror

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-01-09, Russell Shaw penned:
> Hi, I did: apt-get update from unstable, then:
>
> apt-get install php4-pgsql
>
[snip]
>
> What do i do now?
>

Wait.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202393

If you generally use dselect or aptitude, you can use '=' to put the
package on hold, so that they won't continually try to install it.

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Re: Is there any encrypted or secure NFS?

[Paul Smith]

%% Mark Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  mr> Yup. Install a key-sniffer, wait for the victim to unwittingly
  mr> type his password.

  >> Why would I type my password on your box?  I would never do that,
  >> that's not how Kerberos works.

  mr> Yes it is. It is not how something like RSA securids, or
  mr> CryptoCards work, but kerberos does not automatically mean one of
  mr> those will be in use.

Kerberos is a network authentication protocol designed around secret key
cryptography.  No one would go to the trouble of implementing Kerberos,
just to continue to type passwords on all the remote boxes!

  mr> it doesn't send the password over the network, it does require the
  mr> password to be typed.

Yes, on the local system.

  mr> (I think you missed the original question. Having root on _your_
  mr> box is the given that we are assuming.)

I guess I must have: this requirement is obviously silly.  Unless you go
into something like the Hurd, or maybe NSA Linux could do this.

  mr> Hmm, I don't even give my users the "administrator" password on their
  mr> windows machines. I'm certainly not giving them root. ;-)

That may work if your users are not technical, but our users are
programmers and hardware designers.  They expect to be able to have some
control over their own systems.  They sure as heck aren't going to call
a help line just so they can change their display resolution or restart
some system service that seems to be hung.

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Missing package on mirror

[Russell Shaw]

Hi,
I did: apt-get update
from unstable, then:
apt-get install php4-pgsql

It gives:

  Reading Package Lists... Done
  Building Dependency Tree... Done
  The following packages will be upgraded
php4-pgsql
  1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 554 not upgraded.
  Need to get 38.3kB of archives.
  After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
  Get:1 ftp://ftp.monash.edu.au unstable/main php4-pgsql 3:4.3.3-1 [38.3kB]
  Err ftp://ftp.monash.edu.au unstable/main php4-pgsql 3:4.3.3-1
Unable to fetch file, server said '/pub/linux/debian/pool/main/p/php4-pgsql/php4-pgsql_4.3.3-1_i386.deb: No such file or directory.  '
  Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/pool/main/p/php4-pgsql/php4-pgsql_4.3.3-1_i386.deb  Unable to fetch file, server said 
'/pub/linux/debian/pool/main/p/php4-pgsql/php4-pgsql_4.3.3-1_i386.deb: No such file or directory.  '
  E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?

Looking in the mirror directory, there is no php4-pgsql_4.3.3-1_i386.deb.
I tried another mirror too. I downloaded the latest package there and
installed it with dpkg -i. However, whenever i run apt-get, it tries to
install it and gives the same error.
What do i do now?

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mutt, mailcap, and firebird

[Monique Y. Herman]

I ran across the following .mailcap entry somewhere on the web:

text/html; mozilla -remote 'openURL (%s, new-tab)'; nametemplate=%s.html; test=test -n 
"$DISPLAY"

Great!  Except, it doesn't seem to work for me, using firebird on
unstable.  Instead, I see:

No running window found.

Yes, I do already have a firebird session open.

What am I screwing up?

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Re: switching user in X without logging out previous user

[Andrew Malcolmson]

On 2004-01-08, John M Flinchbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you're using Gnome 2.4, there's a "New Login" item in System Tools
>> under the Application menu item. This will create a new X11 session=20
> on a
>> different virtual terminal, complete with (x|k|g)dm.  I uses gdm as my
>> graphical login and the instance on the second X11 session now has a=20
> new
>> item (Quit).
>
I haven't seen the Gnome version above, but Xandros has a pretty slick
implementation that pretty much works like multi-user login does on
Windows XP.


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apt-get update question

[Stephen Liu]

Hi folks,

Following is the content of /etc/apt/sources.list in my Debian box

#deb copy:///cdrom/ sarge main

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official NetInst Snapshot i386 
Binary-1 (20031118)]/ unstable contrib main

deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main

deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib

deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib


If I expect update only taking effect on "testing main" whether I have to 
comment out;
# deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
# deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib
# deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main  contrib

And if I expect update only taking effect on "stable main" whether I have to 
comment out;
# deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
# deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main

I failed to find information on man apt-get

Kindly advise

TIA

B.R.
Stephen Liu


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Re: Installing portage on Debian

[Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.]

Paul Johnson wrote:
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My sources don't have a rather outdated package that I want. I've 
downloaded the source from Tucows but it breaks when it looks for 
ncurses.h (it can't find it) so it won't compile from source. It's in 
portage, though, so I figured I could get it and all it's deps that way.


You need ncurses-dev.



I thought so too, until I installed ncurses-dev, deleted the source dir 
and re-unarchived the files and re-ran the program and got the same error.
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Re: Installing portage on Debian

[Paul Johnson]

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On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 08:13:30PM -0600, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. wrote:
> My sources don't have a rather outdated package that I want. I've 
> downloaded the source from Tucows but it breaks when it looks for 
> ncurses.h (it can't find it) so it won't compile from source. It's in 
> portage, though, so I figured I could get it and all it's deps that way.

You need ncurses-dev.

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Re: Mount failed: Invalid argument

[R. Wood]

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:34:33AM +0900, Douglas Dreistadt imagined:
> As for my level of expertise... well, zero experience with
> Linux. I have been using DOS/WIN since DOS 3.2, so I do feel
> comfortable at the command line, but I am not familiar with
> Linux commands. I was really impressed with the Knoppix CD  I
> tried recently, and decided to take the Linux plunge with
> Debian because I'm a WordPerfect user and I heard that WP for
> Linux runs best on Debian.

You probably want to switch to OpenOffice as soon as possible -
it's 'free/libre' software (aka open source).

> I tried Alt-F2, and guessed that the command for mounting a
> disk was "mount". I tried "mount hda3" and "mount /dev/hda3"
> and several other combinations of these, but I keep getting
> the error "Can't find hda3 in /etc/fstab" I also tried issuing
> the commands from different directories, but the error message
> was always "Can't find hda3 in /etc/fstab". 

man pages are the best resource for figuring out 'syntax'
questions.  So,
  man mount

> It's also hard to tell exactly where I am because the Linux
> prompt doesn't display the working directory, 

The prompt can be configured to display anything you want pretty
much.  For instance, this configuration will display the name of
the current directory *without* including the preceding path:
  PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]: \W]\$ '
The above line is in /etc/profile so it is a 'global' setting;
you could also include it in ~/.bashrc for a more 'local'
configuration.  Also this environmental variable needs to be
'exported', so in the same file you would have another line that
reads like so:
  export PS1

Failing all of the above, there is of course the basic 'pwd'
command that reveals your 'present working directory'.

> and the "ls" command rarely returns anything. I guess I'm
> going to have to find some info on Linux commands and learn
> them before attempting the install again, because I can't seem
> to find any help on commands and switches at the command line.

It's a good idea to bone up on some basic command-line commands.
It makes working with *nix kind of funky when you start to learn
your way around the command-line :-)

I sure you could google a beginner tutorial or two without two
much trouble...

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Re: Installing portage on Debian

[Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.]

Paul Johnson wrote:
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I'm trying to install portage on Debian, does anyone have any tips or
tricks past what I've already done (copy and pasted from a conversation
I was having with my helper at the time).


Don't.  Use apt-get instead.
My sources don't have a rather outdated package that I want. I've 
downloaded the source from Tucows but it breaks when it looks for 
ncurses.h (it can't find it) so it won't compile from source. It's in 
portage, though, so I figured I could get it and all it's deps that way.

The program is cvoicecontrol
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Re: linux bewbie lame question - word wrapping

[linux]

Citát Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hello
> 
> Kent West (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> 
> > Andreas Janssen wrote:
> > 
> >>Kent West (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Mild Netiquette Training:
> >>
> >>4] Use line wrapping
> >>  
> > 
> > Is my text not wrapping? I'm using mozilla-thunderbird, and I have it
> > configured to wrap plain text messages at 72 chars. However, I compose
> > my mail with the HTML editor, but when I hit send and am asked if I
> > want to send HTML or Plain Text, I always choose Plain Text when
> > sending to this list.
> 
> I checked the other messages from you, and they seem to be fine. It
> looks like the message I complained about was the only one without line
> wrapping.
> 
> best regards
> Andreas Janssen
how do I find out if I have word wrapping on? I use Mozilla-Firebird browser and
Horde mail client for my webmail. I do I find out if that feature is on or Off?
ed.
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Re: Installing portage on Debian

[Rus Foster]

>
> Don't.  Use apt-get instead.

Agreed. If you want to compile from source try apt-get source --build

Rus

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Re: Installing portage on Debian

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On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:35:05PM -0600, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. wrote:
> I'm trying to install portage on Debian, does anyone have any tips or
> tricks past what I've already done (copy and pasted from a conversation
> I was having with my helper at the time).

Don't.  Use apt-get instead.

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Re: en_CA? [was Re: www.gnu.org, glibcbug, bug@gnu.org, dpkg-reconfigure locales]

[Nano Nano]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:25:27PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:21:49AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > Oh!  Canadian!  And here the whole time I've been thinking, "California
> > needs its own dialect?  Well, yeah, I guess they probably do."
> 
> That's rather insulting to Canadians to compare them to Californians.

Okay, Scott.

(see the recent Canada / Wizard of Oz episode of South Park)


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Re: Re: Re: Mount failed: Invalid argument

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:34:33AM +0900, Douglas Dreistadt wrote:
> I tried Alt-F2, and guessed that the command for mounting a disk was
> "mount". I tried "mount hda3" and "mount /dev/hda3" and several other
> combinations of these, but I keep getting the error "Can't find hda3
> in /etc/fstab" I also tried issuing the commands from different
> directories, but the error message was always "Can't find hda3 in
> /etc/fstab".

'mount -t ext2 /dev/hda3 /wherever/you/want/to/put/it', if it's a
standard Linux filesystem. If it's a DOS filesystem, substitute 'vfat'
for 'ext2'.

If you just give a single argument to mount, it interprets it as a mount
point (the place in the current filesystem onto which to graft the newly
mounted filesystem), and looks through /etc/fstab to try to find the
filesystem type and the device to mount.

> It's also hard to tell exactly where I am because the Linux prompt
> doesn't display the working directory, and the "ls" command rarely
> returns anything.

The installer's shell is pretty minimal for space reasons. 'pwd' will
tell you your current working directory. In a proper shell in an
installed system, you'll probably have a decent prompt preconfigured,
but if not then type the following (or variations) to put the current
working directory in your prompt:

  PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED] \w\$ '

> I guess I'm going to have to find some info on Linux commands and
> learn them before attempting the install again, because I can't seem
> to find any help on commands and switches at the command line.

Again, that's the installer shell for you. :) (I did think it had 'help
foo', though.) There's plenty of information at .

> I'll probably consider another installer if I can't work through the
> problems with this official Debian CD, but I'm guessing that the
> solution is probably a simple one, so I hate to give up now. Any
> suggestions ...?

All the above said, I'm not entirely clear on what your actual problem
is. Why do you need to mount an extra filesystem by hand from the
installer?

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Re: web development tool

[Paul Johnson]

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On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:01:31PM -0500, Vivek Kumar wrote:
> Can you suggest me a good web development tool for linux. I want to
> design a website..

amaya is good, but the program itself is not eye candy (but you don't
pick editors based on look alone, right?).

> Can I develop a web page a host it anywhere ??

Duh.

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Re: graphical frontend to pon/poff

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On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:22:26PM +, Simon Tod wrote:
> I thought gkdial would be just the ticket to use as a
> 'wrapper' around pon/poff - gpppon is too simplistic -
> and it seems to work, reasonably well. BUT the dialog
> box doesn't display the fact that it's successfully
> connected and the counters that display bytes
> transferred and length of connection stay at zero.
> ALSO, if I close the dialog box when I'm not connected
> I can't reopen it, except from the command line and
> the whole point was to have a nice user friendly icon
> on the desktop... 

Frontends are overkill.  Two options on how to do this better with
just the ppp package with no frontends:

With any modem: Add the "demand" option to the PPP configuration.

With external, non-USB modems (recommended): Add the "persist" option
and rename /etc/ppp/no_ppp_on_boot to /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.  To
connect: Turn modem on.  To disconnect:  Turn modem off.

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Re: en_CA? [was Re: www.gnu.org, glibcbug, bug@gnu.org, dpkg-reconfigure locales]

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On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:21:49AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Oh!  Canadian!  And here the whole time I've been thinking, "California
> needs its own dialect?  Well, yeah, I guess they probably do."

That's rather insulting to Canadians to compare them to Californians.

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Re: Installation: input device lock on first graphic screen

[Charles Muller]

Uwe Dippel wrote:

> Quite similar; with DELL Inspiron 8100. Broken BIOS.
> 
> > I'd pop a Knoppix CD in and boot off that to see if it works, just for 
> > information gathering purposes.
> 
> Actually, I popped in a KNOPPIX and made a knoppix-install. dist-upgrade
> to testing. Works.

Thanks, Uwe.

After my experience with MEPIS, I was kind of curious about the
relationship between Knoppix and MEPIS from this respect. With MEPIS
they clearly state that the kernel is altered, and one shouldn't use
apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade, etc. But apparently Knoppix is built in a
different way and doesn't present the same kind of problem? If this is
the case, I think I'm going to give it a shot.

Chuck

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Re: adding an attatchment using the mail command?

[Cristian Gutierrez]

Mark C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Hi,
>
>I run a nightly cronjob to back up certain system files, for the life
>of me I cannot add them as an attatchment, when I mail to files to
>myself, they always got put into the message body.  Reading the man
>pages gives no indication of how to do this, and I'm not sure if you
>can with the 'mail' command (I suppose sendmail would be the other
>alternative).
>
>and googling fails to come up with the correct results (probally my
>search string).

I always do something like this:

  mutt -a some_file -a other_file ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] < mesage_body.txt

and works pretty good :-)

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Re: Forcedeth in the 2.6 kernel?

[Roberto Sanchez]

Joseph Jones wrote:
I jumped in the deep end and d/l'd the 2.6 from kernel.org

I'm attempting to use the forcedeth patch (v20), but it isn't showing up 
in menuconfig. Is it supposed to be in Device Drivers --> Networking 
support --> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) ?

Many thanks

Joe


You need to download the latest -mm patch from www.kernel.org.

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Re: Re: Re: Mount failed: Invalid argument

[Douglas Dreistadt]

The installer I'm using is the one which starts up
(Bwhen you boot the official Debian CD. I just
(Bbought a 7 CD set which is labeled:
(B
(Bdebian GNU/Linux 3.0r2[woody] i386 binary
(B
(BAs for my level of expertise... well, zero
(Bexperience with Linux. I have been using DOS/WIN
(Bsince DOS 3.2, so I do feel comfortable at the
(Bcommand line, but I am not familiar with Linux
(Bcommands. I was really impressed with the Knoppix
(BCD  I tried recently, and decided to take the
(BLinux plunge with Debian because I'm a WordPerfect
(Buser and I heard that WP for Linux runs best on
(BDebian.
(B
(BI tried Alt-F2, and guessed that the command for
(Bmounting a disk was "mount". I tried "mount hda3"
(Band "mount /dev/hda3" and several other
(Bcombinations of these, but I keep getting the
(Berror "Can't find hda3 in /etc/fstab" I also tried
(Bissuing the commands from different directories,
(Bbut the error message was always "Can't find hda3
(Bin /etc/fstab". It's also hard to tell exactly
(Bwhere I am because the Linux prompt doesn't
(Bdisplay the working directory, and the "ls"
(Bcommand rarely returns anything. I guess I'm going
(Bto have to find some info on Linux commands and
(Blearn them before attempting the install again,
(Bbecause I can't seem to find any help on commands
(Band switches at the command line.
(B
(BI'll probably consider another installer if I
(Bcan't work through the problems with this official
(BDebian CD, but I'm guessing that the solution is
(Bprobably a simple one, so I hate to give up now.
(BAny suggestions ...?
(B
(BDoug
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psmouse module problems on boot in linux 2.6.0

[Michael Graham]

Hi,
   On my laptop I have both a touchpad and a usb mouse. The touchpad 
uses the psmouse module, /etc/modules tells the kernel to load this at 
boot. The usb mouse uses the appropriate usb modules and is loaded using 
hotpluging.

My problem is that if the usb mouse is not connected at boot the 
touchpad doesn't work. The module has been loaded, but doesn't seem to 
notice the touchpad. If I remove the module and reload it works perfectly.

The only difference I can find is that when the usb mouse is plugged in 
on boot and the psmouse module is loaded the line

input: PS/2 Generic Mouse on isa0060/serio1

is printed (this also happens when I reload the module), but if the usb 
mouse is not connected on boot this doesn't get printed.

Any help you can give would be much appreciated.

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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:37:32 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:


> 
> I think that most of us would much rather see a question phrased as,
> 
> "I would like to do X.  How can I do so using Debian
> [stable|testing|unstable]?"
> 
> than,
> 
> "RedHat did X for me.  Why can't Debian?"

Well, unless it's something like:

"When I did X in RedHat, it crashed and fscked up my data.  Why doesn't
Debian do that?"

We could probably handle a few of those :>

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Re: sources.list conversion

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:26:58PM -0500, Mike Mueller said
> I installed Knoppix 3.3 to disk on my laptop.  When I try "apt-cache search 
> blah" I get lots of messages like "W: Couldn't stat source package list  or http URL here>".

You need to run "apt-get update" to fix this.

> I examined /etc/apt/sources.list and found lots of .de sites.  I am located 
> in .us.  Is this the source of the problem?  

No.

> Are there lots of mirrors still offline because of the compromise last
> year?

None of the mirrors went down, as far as I know.  Unless their admin's
were paranoid enough to take them down until the archive was verified,
but I'd assume they'd be on the ball enough to take it back up once it
was.

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Re: best way to storing old mail (mhonarch, archivemail,...,?)

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 08:30:36AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez said
> I'm looking for opinions to archive old mail, and yet leaving it in a
> readable way. I have used mhonarc only so far, but it seems to me that
> there could be a better way, even by just gzipping mbox and creating a
> script to pipe it thorugh mutt to read it when needed. Doing apt-cache
> search I could find a bunch of options, so I am asking for user's
> experiences in this

I run "archivemail" in a weekly cronjob to clear out mail older than two weeks
from my Debian folders (that works out to be about as large as I can be
bothered to let mutt deal with).

Relevant bits from the script:

export ARCHIVEDIR=/home/rob/mail/archive/$(date +"%Y%U")/
# archive Debian list mail after two weeks
mkdir $ARCHIVEDIR/debian || true
for i in ~/mail/lists/debian/*(/);
do archivemail $OPTIONS -d14 -o$ARCHIVEDIR/debian $i;
done

This archives mail into a directory udner ~/mail/archive/ named after the year and the 
week of the year.

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Re: from a learner

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 01:31:37PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani said
> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 01:32:30PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> > If you use the "ip" tool, you can have multiple IP's on the one
> > interface.  ifconfig doesn't support showing or setting this, though.
> 
> I'm not sure about this, but I think you can do that with ifconfig
> using the syntax eth0:1, eth0:2, etc.

Right, someone else also pointed this out. I was just mentioning that
the kernel does support multiple IP addresses on the one interface.

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SCSI card ?

[Andrew Vallon]

Has anybody installed and got to work an Adaptec SCSI model 29160 card 
with Debian kernel_2.4.18?
The card says it will work under 'Linux' however...
I need an ultra wide card to work with an Sony AIT drive that I have.

Andy

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/ & /boot lost, re-install?

[David Robinson]

Ok, I was keeping / , /boot, and swap on a small HD and running rest of file 
system on larger drive w/ Promise controller(My old MB wouldn't support such 
a large drive).  Just lost the small HD (it was old).  But kind of planned 
ahead and left a 2gig open space at the front of the second drive.  Can I 
just re-install Woody, formatting the 2gig section with the needed 
directories and mounting the old file system.  Or will I lose all my old 
files?  Thanks a lot,

Dave

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Re: apt upgrade stops with "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)"

[Christopher Martin]

I just did an apt-get update and this new package (3.0.0-20031207-1.1) 
installed flawlessly. I'm running Sarge, too, so everyone affected 
should now have access to the fix.

Christopher Martin

On Thursday January 8 2004 19:07, Florian Ernst wrote:
> A fixed package (3.0.0-20031207-1.1) is supposed to get into
> unstable today.
>
> If you don't want to wait for it you can add a line containing
> exec 0<&1
> after 'db_stop' in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foomatic-filters.postinst


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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Brad Stockdale]

Once again, I do apologize for the wrongly worded question... I can see now 
in retrospect how it could be an annoying question...

I'll be more careful in the future.

Sorry,
Brad
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Re: apt upgrade stops with "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)"

[Florian Ernst]

Hello MJ!

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:54:56PM -0800, MJ Inabnit wrote:
I did an update and dist-upgrade today (8Jan04) and all went well
(as I expected it to) until I got to "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)".
Xterm snip
After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1) ...
Configuration file `/etc/foomatic/filter.conf'
[...]
How do I get this script to finish?
A fixed package (3.0.0-20031207-1.1) is supposed to get into unstable
today.
If you don't want to wait for it you can add a line containing
exec 0<&1
after 'db_stop' in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foomatic-filters.postinst
HTH,
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Re: apt upgrade stops with "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)"

[Lorenzo Rossi]

Hi,

I have exactly the same pronlem!
:(

Lorenzo


Il gio, 2004-01-08 alle 23:54, MJ Inabnit ha scritto:
> I did an update and dist-upgrade today (8Jan04) and all went well (as I expected it 
> to) until I got to "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)".
> Xterm snip
> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
> Setting up foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1) ...
> Configuration file `/etc/foomatic/filter.conf'
>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
>What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
> Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
> N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
>   D : show the differences between the versions
>   Z : start a new shell to examine the situation
>  The default action is to keep your current version.
> ***  filter.conf  (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?y
> 
> Here is where the system just "hangs out" for lack of a better descriptor.  The 
> terminal is okay but the script is just sitting here.  Several hours have passed and 
> it's still just sitting there--no errors--just sitting there doing nothing at all!  
> I've killed it several times and restarted, but it always does the same thing.  
> 
> How do I get this script to finish?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-01-08, Brad Stockdale penned:
>
>>That is called "trolling."  Please don't.
>
> But it more appropriately should have been called a "badly worded
> question from a previous staunch supporter of Red Hat before they
> became what they are today".
>
> Trolling, AFAIK is a comment used specifically to instigate an
> altercation of some type. That was not my intention at all, and
> apologize if it was taken in such a way.
>
> Sorry, Brad
>

By way of possible explanation ...

We've had a long series of "Why can't Debian do what RedHat/Mandrake
do?" questions recently.  In some cases, the question is fair: something
that Debian doesn't do that would seemingly be consistent with
Debian's goals and would make the user experience better.  In
many-to-most cases, however, Debian *can* do what they're asking.
It may not do so by default, often for security reasons.

So, while you probably didn't intend it as such, any question phrased as
"RH does this; why doesn't Debian?" or similar tends to inflame a sore
nerve.

I think that most of us would much rather see a question phrased as,

"I would like to do X.  How can I do so using Debian
[stable|testing|unstable]?"

than,

"RedHat did X for me.  Why can't Debian?"

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Re: (OT) Re: Godel

[Micha Feigin]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:38:00AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 01:25:09AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 10:11:39AM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> > > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:00:05 -0800
> > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Once somebody disproves Godel I will rest easy...
> > > 
> > > The one(s) doing this wouldn't survive the lynching parties the
> > > theoreticians would start, and AFAIK, the Goedel stuff is rather well
> > > proven. So don't hold your breath.
> > > 
> > 
> > Good.  I was hoping someone smart would speak up.  (I was a lousy 
> > mathematician which is why I switched to computers.  Much easier.)
> > 
> > I accept Godel.  Does it matter much in day to day life?  Or is it just 
> > something not to worry about.
> 

Forgive me if I missed something as I am entering in, in the middle, but
Godel's theorem isn't of much use in everyday life. Its useful in that
it states how far you can, or more precisely can't go with formal logic.

It basically states that in any formal logic system you either can't
prove everything covered by that system, or you will be able to prove
paradoxes (and that includes the logic system used for modern day
mathematics. And there are paradoxes in mathematics, but as of now
nowhere important afaik (it gives things that you can usually assume
whichever way is comfortable to you and it won't matter)

It did come in the middle of an epic three volume work by  Alfred
North Whitehead and  Bertrand Russell called Principia Mathematica that
tried to build a paradox-less logical basis to mathematical proof, and
showed that what they were doing was actually impossible (that work has
very great significance all the same)

As for disproving it. If you disprove it then go ahead and check where
you were wrong. Since it was proven mathematically and not physically,
you can take it as truth.

> It's something not to worry about, unless your day-to-day life involves
> proving a lot of theorems, especially using computers to perform the
> proof steps absolutely rigorously, and furthermore you want to prove
> that the rules of proof are correct, and complete, and consistent,
> and so on and on and on...
> 
> > 
> > I mean, life goes on, but if Godel is true, I kind of just keep waiting 
> > for the train to derail (and it usually does).  Is it an important 
> > result?  How does one sleep at night :-) ?
> 
> Trains aren't formal deductive systems, even thought they have schedules,
> they do or don;t run o time, and Godel's theorem has othing much to say
> about them.
> 
> > 
> > This is just one of those little things that I worry about...
> > 
> 
> In real life truth is much less absolute.  It's determined by trial an error,
> and that's how science works.  People who are sufficiently obsessive-compulsive
> about Truth end up retreating in mathematics where truth can be absolutely
> controlled -- after all, you decide on the axioms and rules of deduction, hey?
> BUT, what they lose when they crawl into the hole of formalist mathemetics (I've 
> been there):
>   Does their mathematics have anything to so with the real world?
>   Are their rules true in any sensible sense, or do they define
>   their own truth independent of any external purpose?
> The first wuestion can not be answered withing their system -- it
> requires reference to the real world.
> 
> The second question is addressed by Godel's theorem, which says, in
> essence, that if their rules are such that all their deductions yield
> truth (whatever that is), then their rules are not complete.
> 
> So there's always something more to discover, and no set of rules is
> enough to decide what is dicoverable.
> 
> And another issue that mathematicians tend to sweep under the rug.  If
> you look at the history of mathematics, you sill find that
> the rules of deduction, the axioms that they start with, the socially
> accepted norms of presenting mathematical results, have themselves been
> determined by trial and error through the ages.
> It's just astonishing that the mathematics that has eveolved is as powerful
> as it turns out to be, and apparently also consistent.
> 
> Even now there are
> controversies.  There is a whole school of thought (constructivism)
> that rejects proof by contradiction.  There are other mathematicians
> that reject the axiom of choice altogether, and instead treat Solovay's
> conjecture as an axiom: that all real-calued functions on the reals are
> measurable.  That's inconsistent with the axion of choice, but if you're
> doing analysus, it's a lot more useful tnan the axiom of choice.
> 
> Yes, there's no set of rules to decide what is discoverable, what is true.
> There's only a sense of what convinces people and what is useful.
> 
> It has nothing to do with trains derailing, though, as far as I know.
> 
> -- hendrik
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Re: The Darkness

[Antony Gelberg]

I actually got a response from the band's management, which is
impressive in today's musical climate...

> Hi Antony,
>
> You are quite correct that Justin - and the rest of the band - were
> unhappy
> about the situation and after lobbying the record label it was removed.
> All
> copies in the shops now are copy protection-free. 
>  using MusicMatch JukeBox.
>  good people!>

That doesn't happen too often...

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Re: mail-check

[Paul Morgan]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:04:02 -0700, user list wrote:

> When I recently updated testing, I lost the mail-check in gnome. Is
> there something to replace this? It should be part of gnome-applets.
> 

There's a mailcheck builtin in the gkrellm package, and also a plugin for
gkrellm called gkrellm-mailwatch.  I like gkrellm and find it quite useful.

apt-cache search gkrellm

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apt upgrade stops with "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)"

[MJ Inabnit]

I did an update and dist-upgrade today (8Jan04) and all went well (as I expected it 
to) until I got to "foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1)".
Xterm snip
After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1) ...
Configuration file `/etc/foomatic/filter.conf'
 ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
 ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
   What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
  D : show the differences between the versions
  Z : start a new shell to examine the situation
 The default action is to keep your current version.
***  filter.conf  (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?y

Here is where the system just "hangs out" for lack of a better descriptor.  The 
terminal is okay but the script is just sitting here.  Several hours have passed and 
it's still just sitting there--no errors--just sitting there doing nothing at all!  
I've killed it several times and restarted, but it always does the same thing.  

How do I get this script to finish?

Thank you.

Wishing you well.

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Re: graphical frontend to pon/poff

[Micha Feigin]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:22:26PM +, Simon Tod wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a box for my Dad so that it's
> nice and user friendly and he won't have to resort to
> the command line to use a few simple packages. Having
> used Knoppix for its awesome hardware detection I
> stripped out KDE and replaced it with Gnome, for the
> accessibility tools. 
> 
> I thought gkdial would be just the ticket to use as a
> 'wrapper' around pon/poff - gpppon is too simplistic -
> and it seems to work, reasonably well. BUT the dialog
> box doesn't display the fact that it's successfully
> connected and the counters that display bytes
> transferred and length of connection stay at zero.
> ALSO, if I close the dialog box when I'm not connected
> I can't reopen it, except from the command line and
> the whole point was to have a nice user friendly icon
> on the desktop... 
> 

iirc gpppon should show you that you are connected, it could be that
you are experiencing permission problems. Try running pon from the
command line as the user and make sure that it gives you output.
iirc you need to set special permissions for it, the permissions for
pon and poff weren't enough.

> Anyone else had any problems with this or is there an
> alternative wrapper that'll work with Gnome? I know
> there's kppp but that requires pulling back in all the
> kdelibs stuff...
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> =
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Oddball unfsd behavior

[June Tate]

I have recently run into problems with the unfsd server reporting the
following error in the file server's daemon.log:

fd cache inconsistency!

At around the same time on the clients in the cluster, files end up
"dropping out of sight" and return an "Input/Output Error" message -- I
can't even get the files' inode number by doing an 'ls -di '.
In the client's syslog, I end up with the following messages:

kernel: nfs_refresh_inode: inode 55279643 mode changed, 0120777 to
0100644

This issue seems to only crop up when we update files directly on the
file server instead of going through an NFS mount.

I've dug and dug around on the web for an answer to this particular
issue, but haven't actually found an answer to it. Both the clients and
the server are running a vanilla kernel version 2.4.18 straight out of
the Debian apt archives.

Any ideas or comments are welcome. =op

P.S. I just had a thought when writing this email that it might be
related to the client-side caching of file stats. If one of the clients
is reading from a file, and then the file is updated outside of NFS at
the same time, would this cause a similar problem?

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Re: mail-check

[s. keeling]

Incoming from user list:
> When I recently updated testing, I lost the mail-check in gnome. Is
> there something to replace this? It should be part of gnome-applets.

Look at Gkrellm instead.  Besides mail check, it does lots of other
neat things.  It replaced a bunch of applets and made possible ten
other things I couldn't do before.


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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Brad Stockdale]

That is called "trolling."  Please don't.
But it more appropriately should have been called a "badly worded question 
from a previous staunch supporter of Red Hat before they became what they 
are today".

Trolling, AFAIK is a comment used specifically to instigate an altercation 
of some type. That was not my intention at all, and apologize if it was 
taken in such a way.

Sorry,
Brad
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Re: emergency: Openoffice, Fonts, what a mess

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:08:04PM +, duck wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 05:10:07 +0100, Christian Schnobrich wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 03:36, Kevin Mark wrote:
> ...
> > Not that simple. Some physics paper with lots of greek letters and
> > embedded graphis and functions and whatnot. Admittedly, I didn't belive
> > that Openoffice was a good means to get it done in the first place. But I
> > don't know any better means, either.
> ...
> 
> I find LyX (lyx-qt) great for all my Maths papers. More symbols and
> entering equations is as easy as pie.
> 

For scientific papers with more then the very minor amount of math,
its either lyx for wysiwyg like behaviour or pure latex once you get to
the publishing stage where you need the control.

> duck
> 
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Installing portage on Debian

[Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.]

I'm trying to install portage on Debian, does anyone have any tips or
tricks past what I've already done (copy and pasted from a conversation
I was having with my helper at the time).
And yes, I have Python 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 installed.

(15:47:25) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/portage-2.0.49-r21/src/sandbox-1.1#
./create-localdecls
Checking truncate argument type... off_t
Checking libc version... libc.so.6
Checking glibc subversion...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/portage-2.0.49-r21/src/sandbox-1.1# make
gcc  -Wall -c -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPIC -fPIC -D_REENTRANT libsandbox.c
gcc  -Wall -c -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPIC -fPIC -D_REENTRANT sandbox_futils.c
gcc libsandbox.o sandbox_futils.o -shared -fPIC -ldl -lc -o
libsandbox.so -nostdlib -lgcc
gcc  -Wall -c sandbox.c
gcc sandbox.o sandbox_futils.o getcwd.c -ldl -lc -o sandbox
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/portage-2.0.49-r21/src/sandbox-1.1#
./create-localdecls
Checking truncate argument type... off_t
Checking libc version... libc.so.6
Checking glibc subversion...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/portage-2.0.49-r21/src/sandbox-1.1# make test
make: *** No rule to make target `test'.  Stop.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/portage-2.0.49-r21/src/sandbox-1.1# make install
gcc  -Wall -c -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPIC -fPIC -D_REENTRANT libsandbox.c
gcc libsandbox.o sandbox_futils.o -shared -fPIC -ldl -lc -o
libsandbox.so -nostdlib -lgcc
install -d -m 0755 /lib
install -d -m 0755 /usr/lib/portage/bin
install -d -m 0755 /usr/lib/portage/lib
install -m 0755 libsandbox.so /lib
install -m 0755 sandbox /usr/lib/portage/bin
install -m 0644 sandbox.bashrc /usr/lib/portage/lib
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/portage-2.0.49-r21/src/sandbox-1.1#
(15:48:08) John Hood: :)
(15:48:33) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: I wonder what I do next. *loogs around
at the commands in /root/portage-version/bin/
(15:48:34) John Hood: sandbox is a security module...
(15:48:38) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: right
(15:48:50) John Hood: see if you have the "emerge" command available.
(15:48:58) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: OKAY
(15:49:13) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: nope
(15:49:17) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: sorry for caps
(15:49:20) John Hood: /usr/bin/emerge
(15:49:29) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: I'm root, no emerge
(15:49:35) John Hood: hmmm
(15:49:37) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# e
e16menueditefix   epstopdf
exim_fixdb
e2fsck egrep  eqn
exim_lock
e2fsck.static  einitexeqn2graph
exim_tidydb
e2imageeject  esac
eximconfig
e2label
eximstats
e2pall electricsheep  esd-config
exinext
e_cache_clean  elif   etex
exiqsumm
e_cache_query  else   eval
exit
e_gen_gnome_menu   elvtuneeview
exiwhat
e_gen_kde_menu embedxpm   evim
expand
e_gen_menu enable evirtex
expect
ebbenc2xs ex
expectk
echo   enlightenment  exec
expiry
echo-client-2  enlightenment.install  exedat
export
ed enscript   exicyclog
expr
edit   envexigrep
extractres
editor envsubst   exim
eyuvtoppm
editreseppexim-upgrade-to-r3
eesh   eps2epsexim_dbmbuild
efax   epsffitexim_dumpdb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# e
(15:49:48) John Hood: :(
(15:50:06) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: it is in /root/portage-version/bin,
though
(15:50:21) John Hood: Try it.
(15:50:24) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: should I copy those to /usr/sbin ?
(15:50:52) John Hood: /usr/bin
(15:50:57) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: okay
at which point I did so, as evidenced below

(15:51:33) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# emerge portage
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/emerge", line 10, in ?
  import
  emergehelp,xpak,string,re,commands,time,shutil,traceback,atexit,signal
  File "/usr/bin/emergehelp.py", line 7, in ?
from output import *
ImportError: No module named output
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
(15:51:50) John Hood: :(
(15:53:47) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: just ran sandbox
(15:55:27) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: doh.
(16:11:21) Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.: doh. No good. Granted I'm no
programmer either.
As you can see, I'm at a loss as to what to do next. Help!
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Political Activist Extrodinaire
The only fallacy is the inaction on our part to stave off the worst of 
horrors, the stripping of personal freedom.

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Re: Cross Compilers

[Stephen A. Witt]

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Lukas Ruf wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> working on various platforms, it would ease my job really a lot if I
> would find pre-configured/compiled/packaged cross-compilers for Debian
> (sarge) built by the pros.  Or differently:
>
> Is anyone aware of a location where I can find various cross-compilers
> ready to install on a Debian box?  Of help to me were:
> - StrongArm big- and little endian (SA-110)
> - PowerPC (e405)
> - MIPS (r3k)
>

I'm not sure what you're asking for is that practical. My experience with
doing software development for embedded Linux systems (my day job) is that
the toolchain that one uses is dependent upon several factors that are not
particularly generic. Like: which libc are you using, which kernel
version, which gcc/g++ version you need, which target architecture, which
patches you need/don't need applied, etc., etc. There are precompiled
toolchains available for many combinations of these things and usually you
would find them where a particular target architecture project is located.
I've only been able to use a precompiled toolchain a couple of times and
mostly have had to build my own toolchain, which, I admit is not a very
pleasant thing to have to do. The point I'm trying to make is that there
are so many variables that I'm not sure the toolchain packages that
resulted would be that useful to that many people.

On a related subject, if you are faced with the need to actually build a
cross-compiling toolchain, then you should visit
 (if you aren't already aware of this).
Dan Kegel has done some fantastic work in taking SOME of the pain out of
the building cross toolchains.



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Re: sid kernel 2.6.0-1 kernel panic

[Toshiro]

> Hello,
> I tried to upgrade from 2.4 to this 2.6 package and I get a kernel panic
> with the following message:
> RAMDISK cramfs filesystem found 4184kb image too big (it wants 4096 or
> something like that)
> then I get the VFS cannot open root device ..
> I was thus wondering if there was a way to get around the image too big
> problem (i am using the k7-smp flavor)
> Thanks in advance
> Xavier Leoncini

1. add this line to lilo.conf:
append="ramdisk_size=8192"
2. run lilo

Regards,
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Re: Installing debian on a SATA hard drive

[Miroslav Maiksnar]

V Pá, 02. 01. 2004 v 11:05, Olivier Sirven píše:
> Hi
> 
> I'm trying to install a debian on a serial ATA hard drive bu the kernel 
> version used with the woody installer is too old to see the sata disk. Any 
> idea to help me installing a debian on this disk ?

I have done it by installing it on IDE drive, compiling my own kernel,
changed /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf, changed /dev/hda to /dev/hde
wherever I found it and cloned the whole system to SATA drive...

Anyway, just now I am trying to create sarge netinst CD with 2.4.23
kernel with SATA support and if I'll be successfull (not very sure about
it) I'll post it on the list.

Mixi


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mail-check

[user list]

When I recently updated testing, I lost the mail-check in gnome. Is
there something to replace this? It should be part of gnome-applets.

Art Edwards


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Re: mailto buttons in Mozilla/Firebird?

[Andrew A. Raines]

Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Clicking on mailto buttons in Mozilla and Firebird always
> produces a message about the protocol not being available.
>
> Is there something that needs to be installed for this to work?

Yup.

  http://mozex.mozdev.org/


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Re: Debian install on Virtual PC / OS X

[Dave's List Addy]

On 1/8/04 3:03 PM, "David Z Maze" wrote:

> If I understand what Virtual PC does properly, the actual hardware
> inside the Mac is somewhat irrelevant; you'd need to figure out what
> network hardware Virtual PC is emulating and use a driver for that.

Okay that makes sense, I guess I will dig/google around that path.
> 
> You'll almost certainly get noticably better performance, and not have
> an intermediate layer of Microsoft, if you installed Debian (PPC) on
> the Macintosh directly.  The downside is that you won't be able to use
> Debian and Macintosh programs at the same time, since you can only be
> booted into one OS or the other.  Maybe there's something like VMWare
> that's a PPC virtualizer out there?

Totally agree, was more or less just f*rting around with the possibility of
testing Debian on Virtual PC, we have 3 regularly Debian installs on regular
PC boxes running.

Thanks!

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Re: web development tool

[Katipo]

On 08 Jan 2004 15:01:31 -0500
Vivek Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Can you suggest me a good web development tool for linux. I want to
> design a website.. Can I develop a web page a host it anywhere ??
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kumar
> 
Hello Kumar,

Xhtml with CSS isn't too hard to learn, straight up.
This is a good forum format for newbie web designers:-

http://forum.johncfish.com/
Regards,

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Re: Debian install on Virtual PC / OS X

[David Z Maze]

"Dave's List Addy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am trying to install the latest Debian with the ISO
> bf2.4-3.023-netinst. I am doing this with Virtual PC 6.1 on an Apple
> iMac 17 " Flat Panel with a G4 1.25 MHz. I can get the install to
> boot and start, my problem is on selecting the correct Network
> driver for the iMac. I tried Tulip and no go.

If I understand what Virtual PC does properly, the actual hardware
inside the Mac is somewhat irrelevant; you'd need to figure out what
network hardware Virtual PC is emulating and use a driver for that.

You'll almost certainly get noticably better performance, and not have
an intermediate layer of Microsoft, if you installed Debian (PPC) on
the Macintosh directly.  The downside is that you won't be able to use
Debian and Macintosh programs at the same time, since you can only be
booted into one OS or the other.  Maybe there's something like VMWare
that's a PPC virtualizer out there?

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X Server Fatal Error, Signal 11

[Ryan Morgan]

Hi all, was wondering if anyone could offer some
assistance.  I just installed Debian Woody on an IBM
Thinkpad (specs below).  I believe I have XF86Config-4
configured properly for my video setup, because I've
found other users with the same machine and used the
same applicable settings (driver, HorizSync,
VertRefresh, etc).  However the X server refuses to
start, with this complaint:

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
(entire log file below)

I've searched high and low with not much luck on how
to correct this error.  Any thoughts?

Thanks!!

Ryan Morgan







'Puter specs:
---
* IBM Thinkpad 760 LD
* Pentium 90, 24 MB RAM, 810 MB HD
* Trident Cyber 9320 video
* Laptop LCD display, 640x480 maximum resolution
(ugh!)
* I'm using gdm display manager.  Does that matter?







XF86Config-4 (minus comments, to save space here):
---
Section "Module"
Load"dbe"   # Double buffer extension

SubSection  "extmod"
  Option"omit xfree86-dga"   # don't
initialise the DGA extension
EndSubSection
EndSection


Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"

FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath  
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath  
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
EndSection


Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard1"
Driver  "Keyboard"

Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"

Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel"   "pc101"
Option "XkbLayout"  "us"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "mouse"
Option "Protocol""PS/2"
Option "Device"  "/dev/mouse"

Option "Emulate3Buttons"
EndSection


Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "ibm thinkpad 760 screen"
HorizSync   31.5
VertRefresh 60
EndSection


Section "Device"
Identifier  "Standard VGA"
VendorName  "Unknown"
BoardName   "Unknown"

Driver "vga"
EndSection


Section "Device"
Identifier  "Trident Cyber 9320 (generic)"
Driver  "trident"
EndSection


Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen 1"
Device  "Trident Cyber 9320 (generic)"
Monitor "ibm thinkpad 760 screen"
DefaultDepth 8

Subsection "Display"
Depth   8
Modes   "640x480"
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth   16
Modes   "640x480"
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "640x480"
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier  "Simple Layout"

Screen "Screen 1"

InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection








XFree86.0.log
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This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not
supported in any
way.  Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
patches submitted
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in
pre-release versions,
please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS
repository
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XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)
Release Date: 21 December 2001
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your
card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version
before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-8um i686 [ELF] 
Module Loader present
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Jan
 7 20:02:06 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==)
default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II)
informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not
implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) ServerLayout "Simple Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen 1" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "ibm thinkpad 760 screen"
(**) |   |-->Device "Trident Cyber 9320 (generic)"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard1"
(**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc101"
(**) XKB: model: "pc101"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set

Re: graphical frontend to pon/poff

[Katipo]

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:22:26 + (GMT)
Simon Tod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to set up a box for my Dad so that it's
> nice and user friendly and he won't have to resort to
> the command line to use a few simple packages. Having
> used Knoppix for its awesome hardware detection I
> stripped out KDE and replaced it with Gnome, for the
> accessibility tools. 
> 
> I thought gkdial would be just the ticket to use as a
> 'wrapper' around pon/poff - gpppon is too simplistic -
> and it seems to work, reasonably well. BUT the dialog
> box doesn't display the fact that it's successfully
> connected and the counters that display bytes
> transferred and length of connection stay at zero.
> ALSO, if I close the dialog box when I'm not connected
> I can't reopen it, except from the command line and
> the whole point was to have a nice user friendly icon
> on the desktop... 
> 
> Anyone else had any problems with this or is there an
> alternative wrapper that'll work with Gnome? I know
> there's kppp but that requires pulling back in all the
> kdelibs stuff...
> 
> Thanks...
> 
You could try the Libranetppp.
It will supply you with a full on-screen log/analysis complete with byte
read-out and other applicables if you want to sit around and watch. If
you don't, just minimize it, pull it up again in case of disconnections
or whatever. It operates on a simple click connect/disconnect, so it
sounds as though that's what you are looking for.

They have an excellent adminmenu/Xadminmenu setup that is great for
newbies, also. I'm not at my main machine at the moment. I could post
the appropriate entry for your apt/sources list later, though, if you
require it, or if you need it sooner, drop by the forums on the site.

http://www.libranet.com/
Regards,

David.


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howto: file system activity to stop xscreensaver running?

[Nano Nano]

I have Gaim set to go autoaway after 2 minutes of inactivity,
and my xscreensaver to go on after 3 minutes (I just like it like that).

I also have a camera and the motion package installed, so I trigger an 
action like create a .jpg whenever anything moves in front of the 
camera.

I'd like to write a script so that whenever such a file is created, the 
"xscreensaver inactivity" timer is reset, so that when I'm sitting in my 
chair reading a web page not moving the mouse, Gaim won't go autoaway 
nor will xscreensaver activate.

Can I do that?


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Re: USB mass storage mapping problem

[Andrew Perrin]

You can't mount the scsi generic (sg) device; you need to map the
associated disk.  Assuming the LITE-ON device from your sg_scan is a scsi
removable (sr) device such as a CD-ROM, your SD reader should be sda. You
can check this with:

fdisk /dev/sda

to make sure you're right. If so, you can:

mount -tvfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/sdcard

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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, steve wrote:

> Hello, does anyone know what I might be missing with trying to get a valid
> device for an usb SD card reader?
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Steve
>
> sg_scan -i and sg_map show the following:
> bash-2.03# sg_scan -i
> /dev/sg0: scsi0 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]  type=5
> LITE-ON   LTR-48246SSS06 [wide=0 sync=0 cmdq=0 sftre=0 pq=0x0]
> /dev/sg1: scsi0 channel=0 id=1 lun=0 [em]  type=5
> CD-ROMDrive/F5A B1.4 [wide=0 sync=0 cmdq=0 sftre=0 pq=0x0]
> /dev/sg2: scsi1 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]  type=0
> Generic   USB SD Reader 2.00 [wide=0 sync=0 cmdq=0 sftre=0 pq=0x0]
> bash-2.03# sg_map
> /dev/sg0  /dev/scd0
> /dev/sg1  /dev/scd1
> /dev/sg2
>
> sg2 is not mountable:
> bash-2.03# mount -t vfat /dev/sg2 /camera
> mount: /dev/sg2 is not a block device
>
> The cd is mountable under two devices:
> bash-2.03# mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd1 /cdrom
> mount: block device /dev/scd1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
> bash-2.03# mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr1 /cdrom
> mount: block device /dev/sr1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
>
> my kern.log
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: host/uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb800, IRQ 5
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus
> number 2
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: hub.c: USB hub found
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
> Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
>
> Should be something like this:
> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
> usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
> scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
>   Vendor: CONCORD   Model: DIGITAL CAMERARev: 1.00
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> SCSI device sda: 246016 512-byte hdwr sectors (126 MB)
> sda: Write Protect is off
>  sda: sda1
>
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USB mass storage mapping problem

[steve]

Hello, does anyone know what I might be missing with trying to get a valid 
device for an usb SD card reader?

Thanks for any input,
Steve

sg_scan -i and sg_map show the following:
bash-2.03# sg_scan -i
/dev/sg0: scsi0 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]  type=5
LITE-ON   LTR-48246SSS06 [wide=0 sync=0 cmdq=0 sftre=0 pq=0x0]
/dev/sg1: scsi0 channel=0 id=1 lun=0 [em]  type=5
CD-ROMDrive/F5A B1.4 [wide=0 sync=0 cmdq=0 sftre=0 pq=0x0]
/dev/sg2: scsi1 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]  type=0
Generic   USB SD Reader 2.00 [wide=0 sync=0 cmdq=0 sftre=0 pq=0x0]
bash-2.03# sg_map
/dev/sg0  /dev/scd0
/dev/sg1  /dev/scd1
/dev/sg2

sg2 is not mountable:
bash-2.03# mount -t vfat /dev/sg2 /camera
mount: /dev/sg2 is not a block device

The cd is mountable under two devices:
bash-2.03# mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd1 /cdrom
mount: block device /dev/scd1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
bash-2.03# mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr1 /cdrom
mount: block device /dev/sr1 is write-protected, mounting read-only

my kern.log
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: host/uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb800, IRQ 5
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus 
number 2
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: hub.c: USB hub found
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
Jan  7 01:03:37 debian kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0

Should be something like this:
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
  Vendor: CONCORD   Model: DIGITAL CAMERARev: 1.00
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
SCSI device sda: 246016 512-byte hdwr sectors (126 MB)
sda: Write Protect is off
 sda: sda1


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Howto configure Horde2/IMP3

[Lukas Ruf]

Dear all,

is there anywhere a concise howto on configuring horde2/imp3 ?

Thanks for any enlightenment!

wbr,
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Re: web development tool

[R. Wood]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:01:31PM -0500, Vivek Kumar imagined:
> Hi all,
> 
> Can you suggest me a good web development tool for linux. I
> want to design a website.. Can I develop a web page a host it
> anywhere ??
> 
> Thanks
> Kumar

Some web dev software you may wish to try:
o bluefish
o screem
o quanta
o Vim ;-)

Have Fun,
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Re: web development tool

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:01:31PM -0500, Vivek Kumar wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Can you suggest me a good web development tool for linux. I want to
> design a website.. Can I develop a web page a host it anywhere ??
> 
 
bluefish? (html editor) do you mean html code, or more involved than that?


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web development tool

[Vivek Kumar]

Hi all,

Can you suggest me a good web development tool for linux. I want to
design a website.. Can I develop a web page a host it anywhere ??

Thanks

Kumar


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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Michael D Schleif]

Brad Stockdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:01:08:13:32:36-0500] scribed:
> Hello all,
> 
>I am a newbie to Debian and I made a booboo.. While prepping a system 
> for production use, I accidentally overwrote /usr/include/unix.h with the 
> unix.h that comes from the imap2002e library (used by PHP to enable it to 
> use POP and IMAP protocols)...
> 
>So, now I cant get some stuff to compile due to the header file being 
> wrong...
> 
>My initial thought was "Well, if Debian's package management is 
> anything like Redhat's, I should be able to find out what package owns that 
> file, and then I can reinstall the package."
> 
>So, I do a:
> 
>   dpkg -S unix.h
> 
>And it gives me no results... Well, gives me an auth_unix.h file, which 
> isnt what I'm looking for...
> 
>My question is: If Debian packages are just as good if not better than 
> Redhat RPM's, then why can I not find out what package owns that file?
> 
>Am I using the wrong command?

I suggest, if you know the full path to a file, then _first_ use that
with dpkg:

   dpkg -S /usr/include/unix.h

That way, you will get the definitive answer -- in this case:

   dpkg: /usr/include/unix.h not found.

Without the path to a file, dpkg -S gives you every package that has a
file that matches the regular expression, in your case:

   unix.h

which happens to match:

   libc6-dev: /usr/include/rpc/auth_unix.h

hth

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Re: linux bewbie lame question

[Kent West]

Andreas Janssen wrote:

Hello

Kent West (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

 

Andreas Janssen wrote:

   

Kent West (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
 

Mild Netiquette Training:
   

4] Use line wrapping

 

Is my text not wrapping? I'm using mozilla-thunderbird, and I have it
configured to wrap plain text messages at 72 chars. However, I compose
my mail with the HTML editor, but when I hit send and am asked if I
want to send HTML or Plain Text, I always choose Plain Text when
sending to this list.
   

I checked the other messages from you, and they seem to be fine. It
looks like the message I complained about was the only one without line
wrapping.
best regards
   Andreas Janssen
 

Okay, that helps. Thinking back on that, I think I created that message 
on another machine; I'll check the settings on that box when I get the 
chance.

Thanks!

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Re: set up simple mailing list?

[s. keeling]

Incoming from R. Wood:
> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:58:52PM -0500, Rohit Kumar Mehta imagined:
> > Matt Price wrote:
> > >hey there,
> > >
> > >I'd like to set up  simple mail account on my box to act as a
> > >mailing list for one ofm y classes.  So if someone writes to
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > >the mail is automatically frwared to a bunch of people.  
> 
> My ~/.forward file has this one-liner:
> $ cat .forward
> |/usr/bin/procmail
> 
> I don't remember whether that line was for procmail or
> spamassassin though.

Assuming it's done the same way here, SA processes the mail adding
   X-SPAM-STATUS: headers.  In your .procmailrc, you have a recipe
that looks for that header and acts accordingly.  Hence, .forward is
irrelevant to SA.


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Re: set up simple mailing list?

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Rohit Kumar Mehta:
> Matt Price wrote:
> 
> >I'd like to set up  simple mail account on my box to act as a mailing
> >list for one ofm y classes.  So if someone writes to
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >the mail is automatically frwared to a bunch of people.  
> 
> That's exactly how I maintain a simple mailing list.  I use sendmail 
> though, not exim :-P
> Is .forward a sendmailuancy?

A what?  "man procmailex" has examples in it showing how to do this.

If procmail is set up as the system MDA (as it is on most modern
Linuxes), plunking the |/usr/bin/procmail thing in ~/.forward will
invoke procmail on incoming mail.  Depending on your MTA, the contents
of .forward will be different.  The one above is for exim.  man
procmail explains it.
 

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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Lucas Bergman]

> I am a newbie to Debian and I made a booboo.. While prepping a
> system for production use, I accidentally overwrote
> /usr/include/unix.h with the unix.h that comes from the imap2002e
> library (used by PHP to enable it to use POP and IMAP protocols)...

I'm a little bit confused, since neither of my Woody nor Sid systems
has /usr/include/unix.h.  Also, using apt-file I don't see *any*
package that has it.

> So, now I cant get some stuff to compile due to the header file
> being wrong...

What stuff?  Perhaps that will answer my above question.

> My initial thought was "Well, if Debian's package management is
> anything like Redhat's, I should be able to find out what package
> owns that file, and then I can reinstall the package."

True enough.

> So, I do a:
>
>   dpkg -S unix.h
>
> And it gives me no results... Well, gives me an auth_unix.h file,
> which isnt what I'm looking for...

Sometimes this happens because a file (usually a configuration file)
is created in a package's post-install step.  However, like I said
before, I don't see any likely candidates; I'm wondering how this file
came to be in the first place.

> My question is: If Debian packages are just as good if not better
> than Redhat RPM's, then why can I not find out what package owns
> that file?

That is called "trolling."  Please don't.

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Re: set up simple mailing list?

[R. Wood]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:58:52PM -0500, Rohit Kumar Mehta imagined:
> Matt Price wrote:
> >hey there,
> >
> >I'd like to set up  simple mail account on my box to act as a
> >mailing list for one ofm y classes.  So if someone writes to
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >the mail is automatically frwared to a bunch of people.  
> >
> >This should be simple, right?  I tried writing an
> >od-fashioned .forward with a bunch of mail addresses in it:
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> 
> That's exactly how I maintain a simple mailing list.  I use
> sendmail though, not exim :-P
> Is .forward a sendmailuancy?
> 
> >but the mail doesn't seem to land anywhere.  Is there a
> >relatively simple way to do this?  I believe I'm using exim,
> >though I haven't really messe with the mail delivery system
> >for a year.  
> >
> >Well, I should say that I receive most of my mail via getmail
> >and that it gets filtered through procmail.  I thought that
> >at one time I had to write a .forward file
> >"|/usr/bin/promcail" but I find that my main account doesn't
> >HAVE a .forward.  

My ~/.forward file has this one-liner:
$ cat .forward
|/usr/bin/procmail

I don't remember whether that line was for procmail or
spamassassin thought.

Have Fun,
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Re: can't boot 2.4.X kernel

[Ruben Porras]

El jue, 08-01-2004 a las 19:01, GCS escribiÃ:
> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 06:10:07PM +0100, Ruben Porras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm lost and I would appreciate some hints to debug this.
>  You should update your initrd-tools package (0.1.56 would be good).

I have this version because I'm running Sid.

Thanks.


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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Brad Stockdale]

Man... Hmmm. If there's not then I really hosed up php somehow. Lol... I'll 
give it another whirl to see what happens.

Thanks for the quick reply!!

Brad

At 01:47 PM 1/8/2004, you wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:32:36PM -0500, Brad Stockdale wrote:
>I am a newbie to Debian and I made a booboo.. While prepping a system
> for production use, I accidentally overwrote /usr/include/unix.h with the
> unix.h that comes from the imap2002e library (used by PHP to enable it to
> use POP and IMAP protocols)...
>
>So, now I cant get some stuff to compile due to the header file being
> wrong...
>
>My initial thought was "Well, if Debian's package management is
> anything like Redhat's, I should be able to find out what package owns 
that
> file, and then I can reinstall the package."
>
>So, I do a:
>
>   dpkg -S unix.h
>
>And it gives me no results... Well, gives me an auth_unix.h file, which
> isnt what I'm looking for...
>
>My question is: If Debian packages are just as good if not better than
> Redhat RPM's, then why can I not find out what package owns that file?

There's no /usr/include/unix.h anywhere in the distribution. Are you
sure you're looking for the right file?
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Re: Debian / UFS File System

[Lucas Bergman]

> I currently have a FreeBSD machine at home with all my filesystems
> being UFS. I was thinking of maybe converting over to Debian Linux
> but didn't know If Debian supports reading/writing to UFS
> filesystems. Would this be an easy Thing to do or is UFS very
> experimental with Debian and I would have a big Hastle of trying to
> convert the filesystem over to some other format?

If you have a second machine or other backup system (ahem), then it is
advisable to save your data there and remake your filesystems in
ext[23] or ResierFS when installing Debian.  Write support for BSD
filesystems, while present in Linux, is not battle-hardened.

Lucas
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Re: set up simple mailing list?

[Rohit Kumar Mehta]

Matt Price wrote:

hey there,

I'd like to set up  simple mail account on my box to act as a mailing
list for one ofm y classes.  So if someone writes to
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
the mail is automatically frwared to a bunch of people.  

This should be simple, right?  I tried writing an od-fashioned
.forward with a bunch of mail addresses in it:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's exactly how I maintain a simple mailing list.  I use sendmail 
though, not exim :-P
Is .forward a sendmailuancy?

but the mail doesn't seem to land anywhere.  Is there a relatively
simple way to do this?  I believe I'm using exim, though I haven't
really messe with the mail delivery system for a year.  

Well, I should say that I receive most of my mail via getmail and that
it gets filtered through procmail.  I thought that at one time I had
to write a .forward file "|/usr/bin/promcail" but I find that my main
account doesn't HAVE a .forward.  

Do you have a .procmailrc? I think it's a lot more powerful than a .forward

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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:32:36PM -0500, Brad Stockdale wrote:
>I am a newbie to Debian and I made a booboo.. While prepping a system 
> for production use, I accidentally overwrote /usr/include/unix.h with the 
> unix.h that comes from the imap2002e library (used by PHP to enable it to 
> use POP and IMAP protocols)...
> 
>So, now I cant get some stuff to compile due to the header file being 
> wrong...
> 
>My initial thought was "Well, if Debian's package management is 
> anything like Redhat's, I should be able to find out what package owns that 
> file, and then I can reinstall the package."
> 
>So, I do a:
> 
>   dpkg -S unix.h
> 
>And it gives me no results... Well, gives me an auth_unix.h file, which 
> isnt what I'm looking for...
> 
>My question is: If Debian packages are just as good if not better than 
> Redhat RPM's, then why can I not find out what package owns that file?

There's no /usr/include/unix.h anywhere in the distribution. Are you
sure you're looking for the right file?

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access to /dev/sound,/dev/dsp for current physical user

[Rohit Kumar Mehta]

Hi I was wondering if anyone knew a clean way to make it so the user 
running any kind of Xwindows session
is the only one who can access the sound device.  It would be nice to 
make /dev/sound writable by any of our students,
but I know it will not be long before they will start ssh'ing to 
machines and start blasting the people working on them
with whatever soundbytes they can think of.

I changed the --disable-sound lines to --enable-sound in gdm.conf, but I 
really don't know what that was supposed to do.
I was thinking I insert a few lines in every file under 
/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions such that it would make /dev/sound and /dev/dsp
writable by username.  This solution seems ugly to me.  Can anyone think 
of a nice way to do this?

Thanks!

Rohit

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Re: Hylafax help

[Dean Takemori]

Thanks for the attempts to help all, but nobody seems to be able to 
answer
the question of why dpkg (or apt-get) won't install all of hylafax's 
files.

As the option of reinstalling the system is out of my hands, I've ended 
up
just extracting the binaries from the .deb archives and the configs 
from the
source package and copying them into place by hand, then fixing what's
wrong/missing by hand.

Now I can actually evaluate the program to see if it does what I need it
to.
I'm just praying nothing breaks later.

-dean takemori

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set up simple mailing list?

[Matt Price]

hey there,

I'd like to set up  simple mail account on my box to act as a mailing
list for one ofm y classes.  So if someone writes to
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
the mail is automatically frwared to a bunch of people.  

This should be simple, right?  I tried writing an od-fashioned
.forward with a bunch of mail addresses in it:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

but the mail doesn't seem to land anywhere.  Is there a relatively
simple way to do this?  I believe I'm using exim, though I haven't
really messe with the mail delivery system for a year.  

Well, I should say that I receive most of my mail via getmail and that
it gets filtered through procmail.  I thought that at one time I had
to write a .forward file "|/usr/bin/promcail" but I find that my main
account doesn't HAVE a .forward.  

huh.  

seems odd.  

if nayone can help, I'll send alongwhatever I need to.

matt


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Re: dpkg and ownership of a file

[Brad Stockdale]

Hello all,

   I am a newbie to Debian and I made a booboo.. While prepping a system 
for production use, I accidentally overwrote /usr/include/unix.h with the 
unix.h that comes from the imap2002e library (used by PHP to enable it to 
use POP and IMAP protocols)...

   So, now I cant get some stuff to compile due to the header file being 
wrong...

   My initial thought was "Well, if Debian's package management is 
anything like Redhat's, I should be able to find out what package owns that 
file, and then I can reinstall the package."

   So, I do a:

	dpkg -S unix.h

   And it gives me no results... Well, gives me an auth_unix.h file, which 
isnt what I'm looking for...

   My question is: If Debian packages are just as good if not better than 
Redhat RPM's, then why can I not find out what package owns that file?

   Am I using the wrong command?

Thanks,
Brad
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Forcedeth in the 2.6 kernel?

[Joseph Jones]

I jumped in the deep end and d/l'd the 2.6 from kernel.org

I'm attempting to use the forcedeth patch (v20), but it isn't showing up 
in menuconfig. Is it supposed to be in Device Drivers --> Networking 
support --> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) ?

Many thanks

Joe

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Re: can't boot 2.4.X kernel

[GCS]

On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 06:10:07PM +0100, Ruben Porras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm lost and I would appreciate some hints to debug this.
 You should update your initrd-tools package (0.1.56 would be good).
Cheers,
GCS


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Re: sid kernel 2.6.0-1 kernel panic

[Kyle Girard]

Whew! I though it was just me.
I get the same thing with just the k7 flavour... the standard i386
version works me so the i386-smp flavour might work for you.

I filed a bug using the reportbug tool but it hasn't shown up in the
bug tracking system yet.  It was the first time I used that tool so I
hope it worked ok.

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Re: free cached memory

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:00:53PM +, gmorais wrote:
| when I use free in command line I get:
| 
| total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
| Mem:449300 219144 230156  0   5560 149084
| -/+ buffers/cache:  64500 384800
| Swap:0  0  0
| 
| my question is:
| 
| there is any problem || related to the fact that my cached memory is so 
| much occupied?

No.  You paid for the memory, you might as well get your money's worth
:-).

| and if there is, how can I free it?

When a program requests some memory, some of the disk cache will be
flushed and the memory given to the program.  It is not a problem, and
it yields a performance advantage.

-D

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Re: network configuration problem

[David Z Maze]

"Ritesh Raj Sarraf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 1.  (*) text/plain  ( ) text/html   

(Please post to the list in plain text only.)

> i'm a newbie to Debian. I just shifted from RedHat. I've got two lan
> cards on my debian system. one connected to the internet and the
> other to my local lan. i'm not able to ping my ISP DNS server from
> my debian machine.
>
> Details:
> eth0 (Ethernet connected to ISP)
> IP 192.168.1.43
> DNS 192.168.1.1
> Gateway 192.168.1.1
> Subnet 255.255.255.0

So, to be clear: you're logged in on this machine, you type 'ping
192.168.1.1', and nothing happens?  Is the physical infrastructure
working?  (Are all the cables connected, do you have the right blinky
lights everywhere?)  If that all works, what do 'ifconfig eth0' and
'route -n' say?

> eth1 (Ethernet connected to my LAN)
> IP 10.0.0.1
> DNS 192.168.1.1
> Gateway 192.168.1.43
> Subnet 255.0.0.0

"Gateway" isn't something you want to define on more than one
interface; if you do define it, if needs to be an address on the same
network (so, in this case, a 10.x.x.x address).  How exactly are you
specifying "gateway" and "DNS" here?

It looks like the setup you want is:

-- eth0 is on 192.168.1.43/24
-- eth1 is on 10.0.0.1/8
-- The default route is via 192.168.1.1 (on eth0)
-- The DNS server is 192.168.1.43, which happens to be on eth0's
   network
-- (Optional) ipmasq from eth1 to eth0

And none of the settings you've given so far contradict this.  :-)

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Re: free cached memory

[David Z Maze]

gmorais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> when I use free in command line I get:
>
>total   used   free shared
>buffers cached
> Mem:449300 219144 230156  0   5560 149084
> -/+ buffers/cache:  64500 384800
> Swap:0  0  0
>
> my question is:
>
> there is any problem || related to the fact that my cached memory is
> so much occupied?

No; if anything, you'll see a performance improvement, since in some
cases Linux can use that memory instead of going to disk.  Having
actual free memory would be wasting that resource.

> and if there is, how can I free it?

You don't, but if programs actually legitimately need the data space,
the kernel will shrink the cache and buffer space.

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Re: Could not load OpenGL library

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:47:08PM +, Mark C wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 23:09, Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> > > I found a solution to this on the linux games tome page, where someone
> > > said you need to remove /usr/lib/tls (or move it out of the way).
> > > 
> > > Worked liked a charm for me.

I didn't write this; Luke Diamand did.

> This issue was reported
> to the Debian bug system on November 10th and so far the maintainer has
> not made any response at all, see:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2003/debian-glibc-200311/msg00401.html

There appears to be substantial discussion in the log of that bug
report, and indeed the bug is closed:

  http://bugs.debian.org/219943

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Re: renew SSL key used in apache-ssl

[Jacob S.]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:44:01 -0500
Kevin Coyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 10:59:53PM -0600, Jacob S. wrote..
> > 
> > 
> > It's probably not the "Debian way", but I normally mv the old
> > apache.pem file so I still have it as backup - just in case, and
> > then run "ssl-certificate". You don't have to specify any options or
> > anything and it will create a new apache.pem in the proper location,
> > asking you for details such as Country, State, e-mail address, etc. 
> 
> Where does one find 'ssl-certificate'?  I've tried to 'locate' it with
> no success.  Checked and it's not an openssl command.  Looked for a
> package that might contain it using apt-cache search.  But turning up
> nothing.  
> 
> Is it a 3rd-party, non-Debian script?

On my server running Debian Woody, it's also part of the apache-ssl
package. (which is what I'm running, instead of mod_ssl, currently.)

HTH,
Jacob

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Re: aspell removed from stable - licence problems?

[Jacob S.]

On 08 Jan 2004 11:10:27 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:21:53 +0100, Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
> to gmane.linux.debian.user:
>  > Can someone clarify the total confusion I have about aspell, it's 
>  > removal from stable with woody release 3.0r2, and non-DSFG-gness of
>  > 
>  > it's licence.
>  > http://www.debian.org/News/2003/20031121a
>  > http://master.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/
>  > says "The license incorrectly says that it's LGPL but it is in fact
>  > a unique license which is non-DFSG-free."
>  > But there it is in "Accepted packages" section, while in DWN it's
>  > in "Removed packages" section.
>  > So is it removed or not after all?
>  > What is that unique licence?
> 
> To the extent that I've been able to figure things out after the fact,
> aspell was removed because of a licensing conflict. Why exactly the
> license was not DFSG-compliant is probably not relevant because it
> seems that upstream switched to a different license.
> 
> I'm confused about Joey's announcement too, and I've seen others
> wonder about it as well. I'm Cc:ing him -- could you please clarify?
> Is the "accepted packages" section wrong or is something else wrong
> somewhere?


There was a thread about this a while back, called "aspell with mutt",
if I remember correctly.

Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) explained the problem with aspell then.
He said:

"The problem with aspell 0.33 and earlier was that the aspell utility
and the aspell-en dictionary were distributed together in a single
tarball, so it was assumed that the entire contents of the tarball were
under the aspell utility license (LGPL).  However, when aspell 0.50 was
released, the aspell utility and the aspell-en were separated into
distinct tarballs.  When I was packaging 0.50 a little over a year ago,
I noticed that aspell-en actually had a unique license with wording that
did not comply with the DFSG.  However, the validity of the non-free
license was questionable since, at least in the US, wordlists are not
copyrightable. Furthermore, the questionable wording in the license was
not actually written by the author of the wordlist (someone at DEC, a US
company), but rather someone who had reused the wordlist and basically
stated, "as far as I know, you may use this wordlist for non-commercial
purposes." The original author probably never claimed a copyright
because it wasn't copyrightable in his or her country.

"In my opinion, the only problem with the aspell package in woody was
the/usr/share/doc/aspell-en/copyright stating the license was LGPL when
in fact in was not.  I did not see any real problem with the terms of
the license.  However, the stable release manager felt otherwise and
removed the entire package from main.

"However, since the removal broke a lot of dependencies in stable,
aspell 0.33 will be reintroduced to main in 3.0r3.  To comply with the
RM's wishes, I'll have to find a way to replace the "non-free" wordlists
with the updated free version, but it will come back pretty soon, I
hope."

HTH,
Jacob

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Re: Could not load OpenGL library

[Mark C]

On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 23:09, Colin Watson wrote:

> > I found a solution to this on the linux games tome page, where someone
> > said you need to remove /usr/lib/tls (or move it out of the way).
> > 
> > Worked liked a charm for me.

When a game tries to load libGL.so, libGLcore also needs to be loaded,
but this step is done automatically by the glibc dynamic linker.  Even
when /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 is being loaded, the glibc dynamic linker tries
to load /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1 first.

That is probably why it works when you rename or delete the tls
directory.

This issue was reported
to the Debian bug system on November 10th and so far the maintainer has
not made any response at all, see:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2003/debian-glibc-200311/msg00401.html
and
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200311/msg01124.html

Mark


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