Re: keep x session open
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 23:46, Kent West wrote: > techlists wrote: > > >I am running Sid with KDE, and was wondering if I am logged in and have > >some programs running, is there a way for someone else to log into x on > >the same terminal, without shutting down the programs I have running? > >that way when they are finished, I can re-log in and continue where I > >left with the programs that I originally had still open and running. > > > > > >stan > > > > > > > > > Sort of (which works very well in my opinion). > > Lock your screen using one of the lockable screen savers. > > Then press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to switch to virtual terminal #2. From there, > have the second user log in. After the user has logged in, have him > enter "startx -- :1". This will start a second instance of X on > (probably) terminal 8 (whereas your is (probably) on terminal 7). You > can then hotswitch between the two sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F7 and > Ctrl-Alt-F8. > > If you want, you can add a third X session, or a fourth, or a fifth, or > . . . . > > If you're using a graphical login screen, like kdm or gdm, you can > configure it to present a graphical login for multiple sesions instead > of using the text-based login. > > You can even do some "magic", and hook up a second monitor and > keyboard/mouse to the same CPU and run two people off the same box at > the same time. > > -- > Kent > This seems to work well, but what about sound? In my experience opening up a second x session on a different Virt-terminal, the first session has the sound card, and will not work on the second opened x-session. stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting the same USB device? *multiple webcams*
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin C. Smith wrote: That's a wonderful script. Now if I could find a way to do that with a 12 webcam security system, I'd have it made. As it is, whenever 1 is unplugged, or if there's a power failure, they are randomly reassigned video0 through video11. That is a problem because of the name(location), and timestamping of each one. It's a pain to rewrite conf files and C code that frequently. Maybe a comparative snapshot between restart images and stored static images would do the trick. If "cam1_restart.jpg" = = "stored_shipping.jpg", (allowing for minor lighting variance), then reassign the variables automatically. I believe it would be easier to force device names to stay the same. The problem is that all the hubs are the same, and all the cameras are the same. First come, first serve, I suppose. There is another issue as well. I can either do streaming, or movement detection and capture. I'd love to be able to do both at the same time. PJ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFAKHv1Yw5KPp1tcx8RAty2AJjHZDIlPoWKvWw+XEfl3vp6Ns2bAJ0cxcht soZxNQVzD7xKqyd5ACm78w== =7gIU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rejecting viruses the Right Way[tm]
Steve Lamb wrote: Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: If a message is either rejected (during the SMTP dialog) or bounced (after accepting and queueing the message) then the same innocent third party receives some junk mail.[1] The difference is only in which server is sending the bounce message. The presumption being, of course, that the other side is a real MTA and not the virus/worm itself. Rejecting is acceptable as the onus is on the other side on what to do. You're not generating the bounce. If it is a virus/worm then it isn't likely to generate a bounce. If it is an MTA then they had best get their act together and not propigate viruses. I agree and have been using this successfully for some time now: I have those bounces blocked with Postfix. http://www.t29.dk/antiantivirus.txt # t29.dk postfix header_checks regexp file, rev. 8 (2004-02-07) # conversion by Niels Callesøe (dk pfy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] # usage (main.cf): # header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks # # original compilation by Tim Jackson for SpamAssassin # http://www.timj.co.uk/linux/bogus-virus-warnings.cf # # conversion for procmail by Peter Jensen can be found at # http://pekaje.homeip.net/antiantivirus_procmail.txt # # Note: Some people have suggested using DISCARD rather than REJECT. This is a bad idea. # REJECT'ing these will not bounce to an innocent user, unless the antivirus program # forges the return address. Most antivirus programs insert their own, and so the only # one who will see the bounce is the admin who needs to fix his broken AV software. # In the event of a false positive, REJECT'ing will make sure the sender knows about it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem getting sound to work
Mark Healey wrote: That was a disaster. I installed the package [gmix] and there were no errors. I then typed gmix and the the top and bottom task bars stopped responding to mouse clicks or redrawing when something is placed over them and subsequently moved. Fortunately I still had the terminal window open and was able to shutdown. Upon restarting and relogining the control center and terminal window were open again but not indicated in the bottom taskbar. Again the bottom taskbar wasn't responding to mouse clicks. I uninstalled gnome-media and the problem persists. This problem doesn't exist if I login as a normal user. As it stands now if I login as root the control center and a terminal window are open and the task bars at the top and bottom are useless so the only way I know of to logout is to shutdown and then login as a normal user. It looks like some gnome settings got hosed. This is starting to feel alot like working on a Windows machine. What I need to know now is how do I get the gnome settings for the root account back to where they were before this started. - Please leave this. It is a filter term. ferulebezel - Assuming you don't mind going back to the system defaults for root's Gnome settings: cd /root ls -al rm -rf [anything gnome-related] -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How Do I Start the Debian GUI
Richard Blake wrote: Hello, In a Newbie to Debian... and for maybe... 4 hours I thought Debian was a text based OS. I recently ordered Debian for my I686 System... and I went through the installation.. 4 or 5 times I kinda lost count... I thought I was doing it wrong... and there is a great possiblity that I am. Im stumped at the Login part... after installation... I only used the bootable Disc... and yet there are 7!.. whats going? and how do I get to the Desktop of Debian.. what do I have to do PLEASE TELL ME. please reply promply :( Recent versions of MS-Windows is strictly GUI-oriented. GNU/Linux, on the other hand, is text-based, with applications that can run on top of the text-based system, including a GUI. This is more similar to the older versions of Windows, which ran on top of DOS (but GNU/Linux is _far_ more powerful than DOS). So now, how to get the GUI (X11 Windowing System) working for you. If you have newer hardware, you may benefit from upgrading to testing or unstable, but I'd hold off on that for now (assuming you're running stable currently). Start by installing the basic X packages; you can do this in a couple of ways: 1] apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xserver-common xbase-clients xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi 2] Run "tasksel" and select to install the desktop windowing environment (or whatever it's labeled). After the basic X stuff is installed, you can run it with the command "startx". Don't be surprised if X fails to start; if it does, look at /var/log/XFree86.log for details about what may have gone wrong. If you want X to start automatically on boot-up instead of starting it manually with "startx", you can install kdm, gdm, xdm, or wdm, but I suggest you hold off on that until X works properly. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How Do I Start the Debian GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Blake wrote: Hello, In a Newbie to Debian... and for maybe... 4 hours I thought Debian was a text based OS. I recently ordered Debian for my I686 System... and I went through the installation.. 4 or 5 times I kinda lost count... I thought I was doing it wrong... and there is a great possiblity that I am. Im stumped at the Login part... after installation... I only used the bootable Disc... and yet there are 7!.. whats going? and how do I get to the Desktop of Debian.. what do I have to do PLEASE TELL ME. please reply promply :( Wow Where to begin. First, it appears that you are new to Linux entirely, not just Debian. If this is the case, I would normally recommend that you start with Knoppix, Libranet, or Xandros. Since you already have the Debian set, I suppose there's nothing to do but roll up the sleeves and get to work. Having said that, there is an easy to follow tutorial to install Debian, at: http://www.aboutdebian.com/install3.htm Please study that site thoroughly; it will be your best friend for a while. If you have *specific* questions during the process, please ask them here. We'll all help. Good Luck! PJ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKHInYw5KPp1tcx8RAv3/AJ9vEQ8Ek/kb90CAJN7r5H5AXP3SWQCfYvV7 vFsPsM9q/Ol5yru76mKZBpM= =Cx7r -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Problem getting sound to work
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:16:36 +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
>Hello
>
>Mark Healey (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:18:24 -0600, Kent West wrote:
>>>Mark Healey wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:21:09 +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
>Mark Healey (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>I have no sound.
>>
>>When I boot knoppix it uses via82cxxx_audio and works. I have that
>>module installed so I added the line to my "via82cxxx_audio" to my
>>/etc/modules. Still no sound.
>>
>>What do I check next?
>>
>Check if you are in the audio group, and if the channels are
>unmuted.
>
How do I do those? It also doesn't work as root. And, another bit
of information. When I try system sounds there is nothing. When I
try xmms it hangs (xmms, not the system).
>>>In a terminal logged in as yourself, type "groups" to see what groups
>>>you're in.
>>>
>>>What kernel are you using ("uname -a")?
>>
>> 2.4.18-bf2.4
>>
>>>What modules do you have loaded ("lsmod")?
>>
>> Module Size Used byTainted: P
>> via82cxxx_audio18144 1
>> ac97_codec 9568 0 [via82cxxx_audio]
>> soundcore 3236 2 [via82cxxx_audio]
>> bcm440029180 1
>> hpfs 61408 0 (unused)
>> keybdev 1664 0 (unused)
>> input 3072 0 [keybdev]
>> usb-uhci 20708 0 (unused)
>> usbcore48032 0 [usb-uhci]
>>
>>>What's the output of "lspci" in regard to your sound card?
>>
>> [...]
>> 3177 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev
>> 06) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97
>> Audio Controller (rev 50)
>>
>>>Use a mixer program (kmix, amix, aumix, GnomeMixer, etc) to make sure
>>>your volume is not muted/too low.
>>
>> I couldn't find any of these instlled. I tried
>> "apt-get install GnomeMixer" and was told it doesn't exist.
>
>It is not included in Woody. If you use Gnome in Woody, try gmix
>instead. It is in the gnome-media package.
That was a disaster. I installed the package and there were no
errors. I then typed gmix and the the top and bottom task bars
stopped responding to mouse clicks or redrawing when something is
placed over them and subsequently moved. Fortunately I still had the
terminal window open and was able to shutdown. Upon restarting and
relogining the control center and terminal window were open again but
not indicated in the bottom taskbar. Again the bottom taskbar wasn't
responding to mouse clicks.
I uninstalled gnome-media and the problem persists.
This problem doesn't exist if I login as a normal user.
As it stands now if I login as root the control center and a terminal
window are open and the task bars at the top and bottom are useless so
the only way I know of to logout is to shutdown and then login as a
normal user.
It looks like some gnome settings got hosed.
This is starting to feel alot like working on a Windows machine.
What I need to know now is how do I get the gnome settings for the
root account back to where they were before this started.
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Re: keep x session open
techlists wrote: I am running Sid with KDE, and was wondering if I am logged in and have some programs running, is there a way for someone else to log into x on the same terminal, without shutting down the programs I have running? that way when they are finished, I can re-log in and continue where I left with the programs that I originally had still open and running. stan Sort of (which works very well in my opinion). Lock your screen using one of the lockable screen savers. Then press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to switch to virtual terminal #2. From there, have the second user log in. After the user has logged in, have him enter "startx -- :1". This will start a second instance of X on (probably) terminal 8 (whereas your is (probably) on terminal 7). You can then hotswitch between the two sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F8. If you want, you can add a third X session, or a fourth, or a fifth, or . . . . If you're using a graphical login screen, like kdm or gdm, you can configure it to present a graphical login for multiple sesions instead of using the text-based login. You can even do some "magic", and hook up a second monitor and keyboard/mouse to the same CPU and run two people off the same box at the same time. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PS/2 mouse not working after upgrade to kernel 2.6.0
Greetings, I am running Debian testing on an i686. I have a (corded) Logitech TrackMan Marble FX PS/2 trackball which works perfectly with kernel 2.4.24 from testing. I installed kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686, and when I start X I get the following error: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device. (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse" (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" (WW) No core pointer registered No core pointer I tried to cat /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 , and all give a device not found error, which led me to believe the kernel module was not loaded. But my dmesg contains input: PS2++ Logitech Mouse on isa0060/serio1 And the psmouse module shows up in lsmod. So it seems that the module is indeed loaded and talking to the mouse; but the devices are not working for some reason. Any suggestions? Thanks, Kevin Wortman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting the same USB device?
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:42:56AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-02-09, Norman Walsh penned:
> > --=-=-=
> >
> > I have three or four "plug in" devices: a firewire PCMCIA card and
> > several USB devices. Depending on the order in which they're added to
> > the system, they get installed in different places. Is there any way
> > to control that behavior? Is there any way to make the USB floppy, for
> > example, always have the same device name irrespective of what else is
> > installed?
> >
>
> I've heard that this is addressed in the 2.6 kernel through 'udev' ... I
> know nothing beyond that, though.
>
> --
> monique
>
This works for my USB devices. I found it on the UserLinux list.
You need devfs and hotplug installed.
###
#!/bin/sh
# name : /usr/sbin/updfstab
# this script is automatically called by hotplug at each plug/unplug
# event of an usb-storage device. (usb keys, mp3 jukeboxes, digital
# cameras...)
# be sure the driver is loaded (tested on debian only, with default
# settings of devfs)
modprobe /dev/scsi
# list devices
list=`find /proc/scsi -type f|grep usb-storage`
for i in $list; do
# for each device, get infos
vendor=`cat $i |grep Vendor:|sed 's/ *Vendor: *//g'|sed 's/ /_/g'`
product=`cat $i |grep Product:|sed 's/ *Product: *//g'|sed 's/ /_/g'`
host=`cat $i |grep Host|cut -c13`
attached=`cat $i |grep Attached:|cut -c16`
# find partitions in /dev/scsi/host${host}
partitions=`find /dev/scsi/host${host} -name "part*"`
#echo "partitUntitled 1ions = <${partitions}>"
# if not attached, remove !
if [ "${attached}" = "N" ]; then
echo "scsi remove-single-device ${host}" > /proc/scsi/scsi
partitions="none"
else
# if attached and no partitions, add the device to the scsi chain.
if [ -z "${partitions}" ]; then
echo "scsi add-single-device ${host}" > /proc/scsi/scsi
timeout=20
# now we can detect partitions
while [ -z "${partitions}" ]; do
timeout=$((${timeout}-1))
sleep 0,5
partitions=`find /dev/scsi/host${host} -type b -name "part*"`
if [ ${timeout} -eq 0 ]; then partitions="none"; continue; fi
done
fi
fi
# for each partition, create a mountpoint and an fstab entry
for p in ${partitions}; do
# create a mountpoint name
if [ `echo ${partitions}|wc -w` -eq 1 ]; then
partnum=""
else
partnum="_`basename $p`"
fi
if [ "${vendor}" = "${product}" ]; then
#mntpoint=/mnt/${vendor}${partnum}
mntpoint=/mnt/${vendor}
else
#mntpoint=/mnt/${vendor}_${product}${partnum}
mntpoint=/mnt/${vendor}${partnum}
fi
# create the mountpoint and the fstab entry
if [ "${attached}" = "Y" ]; then
if [ "$p" = "none" ]; then
#Xdialog --title "USB hotplug" --msgbox "Could not find
partitions in\n${vendor}\nIs it formatted ?" 10 40
exit
fi
if [ ! -d ${mntpoint} ]; then
mkdir ${mntpoint}
#echo "created ${mntpoint}"
fi
if ! grep "$p *${mntpoint}" /etc/fstab >/dev/null 2>&1; then
#echo "$p ${mntpoint} auto user,noauto,rw,iocharset=utf8 0 0" >>
#/etc/fstab
echo "$p ${mntpoint} auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0" >>
/etc/fstab
#echo "added $p ${mntpoint} in fstab"
fi
else
# purge fstab and /mnt
# if [ `mount|grep -c "$p on ${mntpoint}"` -eq 0 ]; then
## we can unmount now because we were mounted with option sync
# fuser -uv ${mntpoint} > /tmp/toto${mntpoint}
#umount ${mntpoint}
# fi
# if [ `mount|grep -c "$p on ${mntpoint}"` -eq 0 ]; then
## impossible to unmount...!
#echo "Houston we have a problem"
# fi
if [ -d /mnt/${vendor} ]; then
rmdir /mnt/${vendor}*
#echo "removed ${mntpoint}"
fi
cat /etc/fstab | grep -v " /mnt/${vendor} " > /etc/fstab.updated
if diff /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.updated >/dev/null 2>&1; then
rm /etc/fstab.updated
else
if [ -s /etc/fstab.updated ]; then
cat /etc/fstab.updated > /etc/fstab
#echo "removed $p ${mntpoint} from fstab"
fi
rm /etc/fstab.updated
fi
fi
done
done
#
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[baloo: Re: How Do I Start the Debian GUI]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, now you got me doing it... - - Forwarded message from baloo - Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:29:22 -0800 To: Richard Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How Do I Start the Debian GUI Organization: Ursine System X-Operating-System-Uptime: 21:27:38 up 6 days, 22:51, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.08, 0.08 Please reply on list, so people can search the archives if they're having the same problem. Also, please quote conversationally, don't top post; it's easier to preserve the flow and edit later. http://learn.to/quote/ On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:26:05AM -0500, Richard Blake wrote: > o.O!!! I wasnt expecting a response untill... tomorrow.. COOOL! > > When then my next question is how do I install the next part of Debian? If you read the manual, you'd know that you might not necessarily need more than the first CD. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system - - End forwarded message - - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKG1IUzgNqloQMwcRAn93AKDes3vgjxl07NgMJRmk3DeMyD+VcACeJe8W MlTZmZK85e/F7kcTN8/VL78= =5rjI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
keep x session open
I am running Sid with KDE, and was wondering if I am logged in and have some programs running, is there a way for someone else to log into x on the same terminal, without shutting down the programs I have running? that way when they are finished, I can re-log in and continue where I left with the programs that I originally had still open and running. stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Permissions
On Monday February 9 at 07:45pm Joshua Jankowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I have been quite intelligent in setting permissions on my debian > server, I am here to see if anyone has a solution. In my attempt to > write recursive permissions on one of my directories, I hit enter a > little too prematurely with / as the designated folder. Quickly > noticing the error, I hit ctrl-c to stop the operation but as you can > guiess, it was not soon enough. It overwrote the permissions that > were set by debian in the /bin folder and unknown others. > > Is there a utility or way to easily(or not) fix the default > permissions? I b0rked my old server in a similar fashion. Only sane way to fix it is a clean install. I tried checking the permissions on a similar computer, but there are so many files with special ownership/permissions that I very quickly got very frustrated. Re-install is the best way. (This is the only scenario I've run into that really *required* a reinstall. Everything else I've been able to fix.) -- -johann koenig Today is Sweetmorn, the 36th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3170 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How Do I Start the Debian GUI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:01:56AM -0500, Richard Blake wrote: > In a Newbie to Debian... and for maybe... 4 hours I thought Debian > was a text based OS. Well, Linux is a text-based OS. XFree86 is a nice program that gives you a pretty darn flexible windowing system which is often confused for being a part of the OS by those damaged by Windows. Debian's base install is compact, so X doesn't get installed if you only install the base system. > I recently ordered Debian for my I686 System... and I > went through the installation.. 4 or 5 times I kinda lost count... I > thought I was doing it wrong... and there is a great possiblity that I am. > Im stumped at the Login part... after installation... I only used the > bootable Disc... and yet there are 7!.. whats going? and how do I get to > the Desktop of Debian.. what do I have to do PLEASE TELL ME. please > reply promply :( RTFM. http://debian.org/ Click on installation manual. It's all explained there. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKGjeUzgNqloQMwcRAszPAJ4zvpR6+dHpQY11GcfHhFgMPkMeGQCgjG0J bAEmCPIABDXglZOKszO4KO0= =hmE1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kppp configure question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:56:29PM -0700, Mike Adolf wrote: > I would like to use kppp (in KDE) to establish an internet connection. When I > execute it, as root, I get the following: > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > kppp: cannot connect to X server :0.0 > > What is it telling me? How do I authorize kppp? su -m instead of su - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKGchUzgNqloQMwcRAhLrAKCJ7yMAdzZvWzcFV0aYa9c3iddBCwCgif1r HbIXXSMuvqNZ9z2rUeFiv7A= =A9It -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem getting sound to work
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:32:41 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >On 2004-02-07, Mark Healey penned: >> >> How do I do those? It also doesn't work as root. And, another bit of >> information. When I try system sounds there is nothing. When I try >> xmms it hangs (xmms, not the system). > >Hrm. I have noticed that xmms hangs if it's using the enlightenment >sound daemon and esd has crapped out. (Which it seems to do >frequently.) > >Does `ps -eaf | grep esd` show anything? If so, perhaps kill that >process, run the same command manually, and see if xmms is happier. > >If xmms is using esd, you will see eSound chosen in >XMMS->options->preferences under Output Plugin. If it's not using esd, >then this is a red herring. > >Actually, what *is* chosen under Output Plugin? I only included the xmms problem as a piece of diagnostic information. If it doesn't work after I get system sounds then I'll worry about that. - Please leave this. It is a filter term. ferulebezel - Mark Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't bothor CCing or emailing this address. Since spammers seem to be harvesting this list anything that doesn't come from the list server is assumed to be spam and deleted. ASUS A87V8X mobo w AMD Athalon Broadcom 4401 onboard nic with static IP Address ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Video card. Sampo Alphascan 17mx monitor using the "vesa" module -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How Do I Start the Debian GUI
Hello, In a Newbie to Debian... and for maybe... 4 hours I thought Debian was a text based OS. I recently ordered Debian for my I686 System... and I went through the installation.. 4 or 5 times I kinda lost count... I thought I was doing it wrong... and there is a great possiblity that I am. Im stumped at the Login part... after installation... I only used the bootable Disc... and yet there are 7!.. whats going? and how do I get to the Desktop of Debian.. what do I have to do PLEASE TELL ME. please reply promply :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using packages from experimental
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 08:40:59PM -0800, Nano Nano said > I installed XFree86 4.3 from experimental. > Will it "update" itself whenever a newer 4.3 is uploaded? Not from experimental, at least by default. When it hits sid, then apt will keep up to date with it. If you really want to keep up with experimental's uploads, you can pin it. -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: number key Iran Clinton FIPS140 Chobetsu MDA CDC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
using packages from experimental
I installed XFree86 4.3 from experimental. Will it "update" itself whenever a newer 4.3 is uploaded? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kppp configure question
Incoming from Mike Adolf: > I would like to use kppp (in KDE) to establish an internet connection. When I > execute it, as root, I get the following: > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > kppp: cannot connect to X server :0.0 > > What is it telling me? How do I authorize kppp? There's an answer for that, but you shouldn't use it to solve this problem. What you should do is add your regular user to the groups dip and dialout, login as your user and kppp should work as you wanted. The other answer is, X Window doesn't want anyone but the user who is logged in to use the X Window display. You can change that with "xhost" (ie., "xhost +localhost"), login as the previously denied root, "export DISPLAY=:0.0", then run the command that was previously denied. Note, read the manpage on xhost. What I said above opens up security for anyone on the box! Like I said, don't run as root. Don't stay logged into the root account any longer than you have to. With your privileged user added to the right groups, you shouldn't have to except for the things root really needs to be logged in for (installing, configuring, or deleting software, auditing system log files, cleaning up, performing system backups & restores, etc). -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X4.3 (Again)
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 07:02:15PM -0600, Hank Marquardt wrote: > > you should _really_ ask yourself why you are going to X4.3: unless it > > has better support (or in my case... the only support of my card), there > > really isn't much benefit in the upgrade. > > > Well, I've had this darned Radeon 8500DV for over a year now without > really being able to use it as intended. I remember at the time saying > "Oh, support is in the 4.3 tree and that will be released soon, it > should filter into unstable a few weeks later at most" ... yeah, that > worked out well. > > So after booting the latest Knoppix and seeing it, then seeing reports > of the unofficial/experimental debs in wide use I figured I'd start > looking/playing with it and see if I could get it to work. > > Of course finding and installing KDE3.2 will follow shortly thereafter. > > Honestly this whole experience (waiting a year and now still having what > seems a kludgy solution) has left a sour taste that has resulted in > gentoo and fedora living on a spare box. I'm not ready to jump ship, > but honestly this theology of "it has to work on all architectures" is > annoying with stuff like this. > > Enough ranting and back to topic ... I didn't count them, but it seems > I've only got 25 or so X related packages ... I started down the road I > saw in another message of getting the debian/pool/X/xfree/*pre5v1_i386* > packages and installing them all but that is a whole lot more, including > a bunch of debug builds that are enormous. You can skip all the debug packages and unless you need the development ones also skip the dev packages. Getting all the rest is the easiest solution since some packages were split up at some point. You may also be able to get away with doing a aptitude search ~V4.2.1 | grep ^i and make sure to upgrade all X related packages letting aptitude handle the resulting dependencies. > > I'll watch the thread here for a while and see what pops up ... having > the experimental line in the conf isn't hurting anything. > > > > -- > Hank Marquardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://web.yerpso.net > GPG Id: 2BB5E60C > Fingerprint: D807 61BC FD18 370A AC1D 3EDF 2BF9 8A2D 2BB5 E60C > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: music mixing
On February 9, 2004 07:10 pm, techlists wrote: > Hey guys, I'm looking for something I can use to edit and mix music. > Under Winblows I used Reason. But I have yet to find a linux > equivalent. > > I looked on freshmeat, and found a program called Veejay, but I can't > seem to get it to compile under SID. > > So, I'm wondering if any of you guys have experience with a descent > software package, and if it's apt-get'ableall the better. > > > Jack Look at http://ardour.org/ It is avaialble in sid, don't know about testing, unstable. R.J.P. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: video card compatibility
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:14:58AM -0500, Ashley Mervyn Graham wrote: > >Radeon 9200 for $80. I got mine (actually a 9000 for $89 last July) > >from Thompson's Computer Warehouse[1] > >(http://www.tcwo.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=2396&[EMAIL > >PROTECTED]). > > > >The 9200 is supported extremely well with XFree86 4.3 (currently in > >experimental) and the open source DRI drivers. > > Does video playback work "out-of-the box"? Obviously I'd need some app > to play them, but other than that, would it run right away? > > I have the ATI Radeon 8500DV (it's DV, because of TV Support), which > asked me to get new drivers, DRI, or many others (can't remember them > right now). > You should add the dri packages (there are debian versions of these, I can find the link if you want). I think the radeon ones have the gatos xv extension which is what you want in order to get good video support. Its very simple to get dri going and I believe xv should work without even getting dri to work. You then get good video for example with mplayer using mplayer -vo xv. I even get smooth video using a 8M mach64 (rage mobility M1). I don't know how the proprietary (closed source) ATI drivers are. > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
odd errors in dmesg log
Current System: os[Linux 2.6.2-mm1 i686] cpu[AMD Duron(tm) processor @ 799 MHz] video[nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro]] sound[Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1] Linux Debian-testing/unstable Kernel: 2.6.2-mm1, GNU/Linux XFree86: 4.2.1.1 - found these errors using 'dmesg | less' : 1) Module via82cxxx cannot be unloaded due to unsafe usage in include/linux/module.h:489 2) request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- devfs. error = 256 3) request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- char-major-10-134. error = 256 4) apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac) apm: overridden by ACPI. 5) request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256 request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- sound-slot-1. error = 256 6) cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! what are these errors and how can I fix them? thanks in advance. this is my loaded modules list: Module Size Used by ide_cd 38532 0 cdrom 36128 1 ide_cd nvidia 2071432 12 parport_pc 22376 1 lp 8900 0 parport37096 2 parport_pc,lp af_packet 17288 2 nls_cp437 5376 2 snd_seq_midi6496 0 snd_seq_oss32064 0 snd_pcm_oss49060 0 snd_mixer_oss 17280 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_emu10k1_synth 6784 0 snd_emux_synth 36160 1 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_virmidi 5824 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi_event 6272 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_virmidi snd_seq_midi_emul 6848 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq51472 8 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_midi_emul snd_emu10k192228 2 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_rawmidi20384 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1 snd_pcm87140 2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_emu10k1 snd_timer 21892 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_seq_device 6600 7 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi snd_ac97_codec 59716 1 snd_emu10k1 snd_page_alloc 9412 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd_util_mem3328 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_hwdep 7264 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd47332 16 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep soundcore 7392 2 snd via_agp 5824 1 nvidia_agp 5788 0 agpgart26408 3 via_agp,nvidia_agp psmouse18056 0 ntfs 86796 2 fat41280 0 smbfs 62520 3 tulip 43232 0 crc32 3840 1 tulip usbkbd 6016 0 usbcore92060 2 usbkbd rtc10424 0 ext3 109864 2 jbd54424 1 ext3 mbcache 7492 1 ext3 sd_mod 14304 0 scsi_mod 104760 1 sd_mod ide_disk 17856 6 via82cxxx 11548 1 [unsafe] ide_core 134092 3 ide_cd,ide_disk,via82cxxx unix 23408 460 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] ABI vs. API
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 04:03:38PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On 2004-02-08, Alan Chandler penned: > > On Sunday 08 February 2004 20:49, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > >> On 2004-02-08, Alan Chandler penned: > > On the other hand, it is also possible for two different > >> > languages to be used to write the implementation and the using code > >> > such that the two compilers produce a compatible interface. > >> > >> Yes, although the latter would probably be non-trivial. > >> > > > > Actually it happens all the time. Think about Linux, written in C, > > but application programs written in all sorts of languages. > > I thought you were describing the situation of using two different > languages to compile to an identical binary file. > Getting them both to compile to an identical binary file would be difficult if not impossible since you would need to make them both produce the same assembly code. Even harder when using optimizations. The thing is that in order to call the interface you just need to have the same function naming and parameter passing convention (I think the parameter passing convention is usually platform specific and not compiler specific but I am not sure of that). The byte order ((big/little) endien) is cpu specific and not compiler specific (although I did run into a platform that you can configure in interrupts a different endieness for different parts of the system ;-) > -- > monique > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] ABI vs. API
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:49:03PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On 2004-02-08, Alan Chandler penned: > > On Sunday 08 February 2004 19:12, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > >> On 2004-02-04, Colin Watson penned: > > > >> > An ABI is the interface to a library as seen by compiled code. To > >> > figure out the ABI for the above, you need to know things like > >> > which way round the bytes in an int go, how long a pointer is, and > >> > where the arguments go on the stack when you're calling a function. > >> > More complicated and library-specific ABIs include things like the > >> > way elements in a struct are laid out. > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> Let me reword this to make sure I "get" it. > >> > >> An API is a contract that the author of a set of methods (I'd call > >> them libraries, but this seems to be an overloaded term) provides to > >> the user of these methods. The contract defines the legal method > >> signatures. > >> > >> An ABI could be the compiled implementation of an API. Even if the > >> API doesn't change, the ABI will change if the author changes the > >> implementation of a method. > >> > > > > The way you express that is wrong - but that might because you don't > > quite understand what you have said. > > Hrm. > > > > > An API is defined in terms of a High Level Language (eg C or C++, > > although it could be any formal computer language) > > > > An "implementation" of a set of methods is defined by convention to > > mean how the author choses to achieve the contract he has made at the > > interface, not a definition of the converted API into binary form. So > > this might be the algorithm used to perform the function the interface > > defines and there may be several ways of doing this without changing > > the interface. The particular one chosen by the author is his > > implementation. > > This is exactly why I said "could be" as opposed to "is." > > > > Presuming one understands that any high level language (eg C or C++) > > which is used to define the API may also be used to make the > > "implementation". A compiler takes that language used in the > > implementation and turns it into binary. Similarly the user of an API > > also takes his high level code and turns it into binary. Where > > therefore have a binary version of the interface (or contract) between > > the two parts. This is the ABI > > I don't think my above statements contradict this. I didn't define the > ABI above; I did give an example of its potential use. > > > It is important, because to actually work on a computer the binary has > > to be right. It is possible that different compilers take the same > > language and turn it into different binary forms. This could lead to > > problems. On the other hand, it is also possible for two different > > languages to be used to write the implementation and the using code > > such that the two compilers produce a compatible interface. > > Yes, although the latter would probably be non-trivial. > Actually usually this is quite easy since parameter, byte order, variable alignment, etc. are quite standard on each platform. You do need to be careful though with object oriented languages function name mangling (such as in c++) though. For example if you look at most high level math libraries they are almost exclusively written in fortran but can be used directly in c. > -- > monique > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers with maximize-vertical?
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:38:26AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:55:39PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: > > I don't use gnome, so no idea, although I did notice a few seconds ago > > that some worthless peice of crap in gnome changed my background - how > > are you meant to change font sizes in gtk apps without using that > > silly gnome-control-panel? > > You're not. Annoying, isn't it? Yet another reason to stay far far away > from the God-King's creation. I'm sure there's an essay somewhere that > says you don't need to change the font. > Also unless its changed some of the gnome packages need the settings daemon to run in the background. Was really frustrating with evolution trying to set the font until I realized I needed to start the daemons. It was dumped out with the water at some point in favor of mutt. > Put what you want in your ~/.gtkrc and/or ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and forget about it. > The gtk-theme-switch package can automate this for you. > > -- > Marc Wilson | Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wages, but truth goes a-begging. -- Martin Luther > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: laptop HW detection Q (isa/video/cpu)
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:54:45PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Micha Feigin: > > I ran several hardware detection programs on my laptop and I seen to > > have some indiscrepancies that I was wondering about and hoping some > > can give me more info about or point me at a better direction. > > > > (the tools where lspci -vv, lshw and dmi-decode) > > Others have mentioned here that lshw is not to be trusted, at least > where video cards are concerned. I've not tried it - YMMV. > > > Video: > > == > > I have a ati rage mobility M1 AGPx2 card (mach64). X recognizes it as 8M ram and > > the specs say that its 8M but lspci and lshw detect it as 16M. Any idea > > which is getting it wrong and why? > > output of lshw: > > description: VGA compatible controller (VGA) > > product: Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x > > vendor: ATI Technologies Inc > > physical id: 0 > > bus info: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:00.0 > > version: 64 > > size: 16MB > > clock: 33MHz > > capabilities: vga bus_master cap_list > > configuration: irq=5 > > - snip - > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility \ > M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) > Subsystem: Dell Computer Corporation: Unknown device 00b0 > Flags: stepping, 66Mhz, medium devsel, IRQ 11 > Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] > I/O ports at ec00 [size=256] > Memory at fdffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] > Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] > Capabilities: [50] AGP version 2.0 > Capabilities: [5c] Power Management version 2 > - snip - > > Note the Memory; I happen to know it has 8Mb shared with main memory. Its got its own memory, not shared. Thats its about only strong point (and that it can be made to suspend dri quite easily although my patched has seemed to be ignored on dri devel). > I believe the "AGP 2x" means it's not capable of doing dri under X (or > at least not without a proprietary driver from ATI, if such a beast > exists). AGP x2 means it is capable of doing AGP at twice the speed the first agp bus had. I think new systems are up top x4 or x8 but x2 is still not that old. The proprietary drivers from ATI don't support this cards only the much stronger firegl. It does need the CVS dri drivers from the mach64 tree since there are still security issues with them so they weren't merged yet into the main dri tree (they are in the process though with an accompanying warning). > > > CPU > > === > > The specs claim its 1.33 Mhz, lshw and dmi-decode claim it runs at 1.3 > > Mhz but can run at 1.4 Mhz, /proc/cpuinfo says it runs at 1300. > > Sounds to me like you mean "GHz", not "MHz". 1.33 GHz =~ 1330 MHz. > > > -- > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. > (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling > - - > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:29:35AM +, Sam Halliday wrote: > > varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they > > will tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too > > simplistic" by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects > > (REAL architects, not "extension to the back room" architects) need > > something a lot more powerful. > This reminds me of those who have finished several semesters of > calculus, some DE and so forth, but without a calculator are > clueless. I thought real engineers would need only a pen and a piece > of paper (may be some table to speed computations). Before computers > came, with all the software, there were already engineers out there. and there were mathematicians before maple as well :-) but it definitely speeds things up... pen and paper is still where the ideas happen though, and always will be. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:29:35AM +, Sam Halliday wrote: > varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they will > tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too simplistic" > by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects (REAL architects, > not "extension to the back room" architects) need something a lot more > powerful. This reminds me of those who have finished several semesters of calculus, some DE and so forth, but without a calculator are clueless. I thought real engineers would need only a pen and a piece of paper (may be some table to speed computations). Before computers came, with all the software, there were already engineers out there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
music mixing
Hey guys, I'm looking for something I can use to edit and mix music. Under Winblows I used Reason. But I have yet to find a linux equivalent. I looked on freshmeat, and found a program called Veejay, but I can't seem to get it to compile under SID. So, I'm wondering if any of you guys have experience with a descent software package, and if it's apt-get'ableall the better. Jack -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sftp sources?
Cristian Gutierrez wrote: > [ftp/http is bandwidth limited on university network, ssh isn't > limited] > > [idea: tunnel ftp/http via ssh and a remote friendly proxy] > > [step by step instructions] excellent! thanks for the help... i think we can probably sort something out for them! :-D the sysadmin has already been told that there is an unnatural amount of transfer on the ssh port due to the nature of the research (by the head of department), so they wont be done for bandwidth usage... in fact, updating a debian system is probably negligible compared to the data they truck around. thanks again! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
kppp configure question
I would like to use kppp (in KDE) to establish an internet connection. When I execute it, as root, I get the following: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server kppp: cannot connect to X server :0.0 What is it telling me? How do I authorize kppp? Thanks, mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?
On February 9, 2004 05:53 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote: > Roy - thanks for all the info! I've had timidity installed and working for > years, but I gather it does more than I thought. I might be able to get by > with it after all. Am I correct in assuming that with ALSA my MIDI H/W > ports are probably working now? I haven't had a chance to test yet. > >From what I can tell from here, yes. I'm not sure what timidity sound patches, if any, debian currently has. I would highly recommend the "eawpats" which are available here http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/eawpats12_full.rar You will need to "unrar" them (apt-get install unrar) unrar e -y whatever.rar I placed them in /usr/share/timidity/eawpats/ my timidity.cfg file looks as follows # start dir /usr/share/timidity/eawpats/ source gravis.cfg source gsdrums.cfg source gssfx.cfg source xgmap2.cfg # end -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sftp sources?
Sam Halliday wrote: [ftp/http is bandwidth limited on university network, ssh isn't limited] [idea: tunnel ftp/http via ssh and a remote friendly proxy] >interesting, > >ok, i think this could work, ill try to set it up for them on my >machine to see, for now. anyone got any hints where i can read up about >setting this kind of thing up? i've never done anything like this >before, nor have i ever heard of it! Here are some good resources: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html http://www.afp548.com/Articles/security/ssh-tunnels.html But i'll try to explain what's on my mind: Once you have a proxy working on your machine (say, squid on port 8000), and an account made for your pals to ssh-in, you tell your them to do something like this: $ ssh -L 8000:localhost:8000 -fNC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you can read ssh's manpage to understand all the options here) And they should have lines like these in their /etc/apt/apt.conf: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:8000";; Acquire::ftp::Proxy "http://localhost:8000";; Of course, if the connection goes down for whatever motive, they'll have to re-establish the tunnel. There are some tools to automate this (autossh for example), but then you'll need some public-key authentication going on to avoid entering the password every time. HTH, -- Cristian Gutierrez http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~crgutier [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get with the program, jeffrey. No one is "wrong" on Usenet. They are either 100% totally correct, or they are "a lying, scum sucking weasel." There is no in between. -- Garrett Johnson, in talk.politics.misc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X4.3 (Again)
Brian Nelson wrote: > Sam Halliday writes: > > i just had this exact same problem... i got around it by using > > aptitude and pretty much adding every X4.3 package i could find > > before hitting`g'... > Er, why? The only 4.3 package you really need is xserver-xfree86. DRI etc etc... and the newer mesa libraries. you're probably right though, not everything needed updated... but i figured it would break less things if i just had all my X packages synced to 4.3 rather than having some libs 4.2.1. i didn't add any extra X packages than i had, so maybe i could have worded my post a little better to "updating every XFree86-4.2.1 package i had to the XFree86-4.3 equivalent" cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X4.3 (Again)
Sam Halliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hank Marquardt wrote: >> I've added experimental to list.sources, I've update and even upgraded >> today so the system is current, here's my current X inventory: > > [ snip lots of 4.2.1-16 stuff ] > >> What I'm concerned with is that if I enumerate all those in a 'apt-get >> --simulate install' statement I get concerned by the output of >> removing xlibmesa3 and xlibmesa3-gl ... it looks like all of KDE is >> linked/effected by that and while KDE isn't explicitly being removed >> I'm worried that it'll be hosed if I do the upgrade. > > i just had this exact same problem... i got around it by using aptitude > and pretty much adding every X4.3 package i could find before hitting > `g'... Er, why? The only 4.3 package you really need is xserver-xfree86. -- Don't worry, it's *in*-flammable. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:04:34PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > Nope. I use Knoppix to boot from, make the "system image" as far as > disks etc. I then mount those filesystems apropos and then run > debootstrap in that directory and install a basic system. > > I then chroot into it and then update everything needed to make it work. > Then install a new kernel that supports the hardware. > > All Done. Literally end of story. I have put woody on machines with SATA > controllers that have only been out for 2.4.22+ to have drivers built in > them. > > I don't have a single problem. > I end up having no knoppix type of system. You might consider doing > something similar. > > The stuff I do is based in part on the the Debian Chroot Install @ > twiki.iwethey.org > > Search in google... you will find it. Sounds a little hairy but if it gets me out of the unstable pool, then it might be worth the effort. I shudder at the thought of a broken "tar". I am perfectly capable of creating confusion and delay with my own inventions. I've got this post saved for google strings. Thanks. -- Mike Two hundred years ago, we note mischievously, the average American or European had a standard of living not very much superior to that of the average man in India or China. -- dailyreckoning.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Nate Duehr wrote: > While you may be very intelligent regarding CAD software, you sure > seem willing to attack people like myself who are only pointing out > alternatives that ARE Linux-related on a Linux mailing list, and then > claiming that *I* took the conversation off-topic? Wow. Quite bold > of you. i'm sorry nate, i wasn't singling you out for taking it off-topic... we all took it off-topic. thats why i replied to the list (i.e. speaking to everyone, myself included) and not in a personal response. > But... consider for a moment that the vast majority of the world > doesn't need nor use CAD software at all, and then re-read the > original poster's message within that context. then i (and many others on the list) could think up many other counterexamples to his claim that NOONE has ANY reason to use M$ software. for example, just off the top of my head: journals that require submissions in a particular word format which openoffice or abiword cannot produce, other professional fields of expertise which require specialised software, and many other smaller categories; how about packages for windows which help dyslexic people in their construction of essays? companies that already have a large investment in M$-trained staff, but are unable to find qualified UNIX sysadmins. companies using in-house software where the codebase has been stabilised over many years, only to be rewritten for a new OS. the list is endless... this thread was not meant to dwell on CAD software, it is merely pointing out that there are areas which GNU/Linux cannot address... yet. > Therefore your example is very poor, and his point is still quite > valid. If the majority of computer users typically use e-mail MTA's, > network file systems, mail servers, webservers, and not CAD software > daily, Linux/Unix excels at those items and is generally regarded as > much higher quality software -- then their choice of inferior > Microsoft products is wrong. but the original poster said there were NO reasons AT ALL to using M$; and a few of us have given counterexamples.. (i apologise for having the mathematician in me... but) that PROVES his statement is incorrect. now YOUR statement on the other hand, which is very different, that "the majority" of users don't need it, probably IS correct! but to most people the computer does what they need it to do, and thats all they want. they don't really care that there is another OS out there which is technically superior, and most people don't even have any documents on their computer which need high security clearance anyway. > Most just don't know they're even making a choice. how can it be a choice if they are not aware of it? they don't know there is one... and to be honest i don't think most would change, given the choice on a plate (in fact, i know many many people who just refuse to use GNU/Linux without even trying it, simply because their computer does what they want already). its a combination of laziness and fear of the unknown. most people already think computers are scary... and lets face it, it doesn't get more dumbed down than M$. > Nice try. The reality is that Microsoft's software is buggy, > security-hole-ridden, crap. Anyone forced to use it by a third-party > software vendor (AutoCAD) should be very very unhappy with that > vendor, and should be voicing it to that vendor -- not Microsoft. > Those of us who realize Microsoft software is of poor-quality have > already told Microsoft it's not worth purchasing -- by not purchasing > it. all too true. but they are getting better. i wouldn't know of course, having not used M$ for nearly 5 years now. > Maybe you can get AutoCAD to buy your copies of Windows to run their > software on, if they require it for their software to work? I doubt > it, but hey... it's worth a try over the bargaining table when you say > > you'd like to run their software on a good quality OS! it would be wonderful if ports for high end products in all fields existed (not just CAD, as that is only a small fraction of specialist software), but the reality is that there is just not enough people requesting such ports... and i don't even know if the requests ever even reach the development teams. plus, there isn't even a bargaining table in this game; we dont live in an age where the customer is always right anymore. i'm sorry if you took personal offence nate, that was not ever my intention, and reading over my postings, i still cannot see how you got so offended. thanks for the links though. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:25:33AM -0500, Mike M wrote: > I think live-cds demonstrate the easy-to-install GPOS are feasible. No one said they weren't feasable. The installation isn't the issue. The *maintenance* of it is. Put another way... we already have umpteen zillion poorly-administered Windows machines connected to the 'net causing havoc for an entire planet. Do we really need to add another whole venue? Put yet *another* way... it's all about skill sets. Somewhere else in this thread the argument about CAD on Linux is raging. I have not the vaguest idea how AutoCAD works... I have trouble drawing a straight line from point (A) to point (B) without the help of a computer. But I don't act like I'm knowlegeable about it, either. Our department has to keep the AutoCAD station(s) at work running, but if *AutoCAD* has a problem, we're not qualified. That's what trained support personnel are for. > I sure hope the arguments of live-cd != Debian are not motivated by > a sour-grapes attitude that Debian-pure is not as easy to install as > a Debian-based live-cd. Mine aren't. I couldn't care less about easy. Well, no, that's not strictly true... I don't see any reason to have to stand on my head while patting my stomach and whistling, but the idea is the same. Otherwise I'd be using Windows. > What interests me at this point is if and when there will be a live-cd > == Debian (stable, testing, unstable) When it's time to railroad, people start railroading. That's where Knoppix came from in the first place, not that it was the first. It's in no way an itch I have, so no need to scratch it. However, are *you* volunteering to build the railroad? ^_^ -- Marc Wilson | Misfortunes arrive on wings and leave on foot. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alt-right-click in xterm
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 05:18:20PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > On one computer running debian-unstable right-alt-click in xterm gives > e a bracketed arrow pointint down and to the right. WHen I move the > mouse, the size of the window changes in the direciton the mouse > moves... > > On another system, also running debian-unstable, the same action gives > me slightly different behaviours depending on wherei n the xtemr > window the mouse focus happens to be; so if I'm in the bottom half of > the window, the arrow pointsi n one direction; if I'm in the top half, > it points in another. Hi, Matt. The windows resizing/moving is the Window Manager business. Consult your twm/fvwm/enlightenment/sawfish/ratpoison/whatever documentation. And btw, did you mean or rather ? HTH. Jan. -- Jan Minar "Please don't CC me, I'm subscribed." x 9 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
gtkam with Canon A300 not working
Hi,
Good to be back to the group after a few weeks of vacation.
That over, I just upgraded my Debian Sarge(kernel: 2.4.22-hs1.1-nvidia)
(downloaded some 250MB of data!).
But older problems still persist. I recall trying to solve some problems
related to fonts, gv, gs, etc. But not all at once, let us start with this:
I cannot read/connect the Canon A300 digital camera using gtkam. When I
start gtkam, it starts with "No camera listed". About gtkam:
{tmp}> dpkg -l gtkam
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ NameVersion Description
+++-=--=
ii gtkam 0.1.2-2 GTK+ application for digital still cameras
And about gphoto2:
{tmp}> dpkg -l gphoto2
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name VersionDescription
+++---==
ii gphoto22.1.4-1 The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client
(BTW, how do I make the dpkg list the info with different col width?).
So when I try to "autodetect" the camera, gtkam reports "cannot
initialize camera".
Here is some more info:
{tmp}> ls -l /proc/bus/usb
total 0
dr-xr-xr-x1 root root0 Feb 9 15:30 001
dr-xr-xr-x1 root root0 Feb 9 15:30 002
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Feb 9 20:36 devices
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Feb 9 20:36 drivers
Any hints, or pointers to webpages that explain how to make gtkam work
with digital cameras in Debian?
Thanks a ton,
->HS
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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:04:17AM -0500, Mike M wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:04:57PM -0500, Jeff Elkins wrote: > > On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > Then they should use it. I couldn't care less whether someone uses Debian, > > > Knoppix, SuSE, Mandrake, or even Windows. Cluebies have been shooting > > > themselves in the foot since time immemorial, and it's not up to me to make > > > a choice for them as to what they should use. > > shooting foot == learning; No. If they learned from the experience, they wouldn't be a cluebie. How does the small child learn not to touch the hot stove? He burns himself. Or mommy spanks him when he tries, anyway. None of us want him to get HURT, but that's how we learn. From experience. The cluebie goes right back and does it again. And again. And again. That's what I cannot abide. > nobody should expect anything from a list ever I don't expect anything from a list... I'm just grateful that it's there. > At first blush I agreed with this statement. Then I realized that the > reason debian-user works is because knowledge comes before courtesy. Hm. Let's make sure of something here. I have no problem at all with someone who doesn't know something. There's a whole world out there full of things *I* don't know. I save posts off debian-user and debian-devel all the time. I have problems with people who don't *want* to know. Or don't think they should *have* to know. -- Marc Wilson | How do I get HOME? [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?
Roy - thanks for all the info! I've had timidity installed and working for years, but I gather it does more than I thought. I might be able to get by with it after all. Am I correct in assuming that with ALSA my MIDI H/W ports are probably working now? I haven't had a chance to test yet. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep SB 02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 02:0d.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 08) Roy Pluschke said: > On February 9, 2004 04:42 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh said: >> > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> >> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load >> >> "sound >> >> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still >> required >> >> or >> >> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists. >> >> >> >> What do I need to do next? >> > >> > You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find >> > something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in >> your >> > Live >> > card. And the soundfonts as well, of course. >> >> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now. >> >> Any idea why awesfx was removed from the Debian packages? >> >> I found one on the web (awesfx_0.4.4-5_i386.deb). I found some SF2 files >> (CT4MGM.SF2 CT8MGM.SF2) from my Windows machine with an SB Extigy. Will >> they work? Somewhere I have the CDs from the SBLive card if I need them. >> >> Can I mess up the SBLive card running sfxload? >> > > I use the awesfx package on my debian box without any problems > (soundblaster > live card). The sound fonts that come with the soundcard are called > 2gmgsmt.sf2, 4gmgsmt.sf2 and 8mbgmsfx.sf2 which I'm sure you can find with > a > quick google. Note that using the cards wave synth under alsa drops an > occasional note. See the alsa home page about this bug. > >> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now. > > I don't understand the above statement. Timidity is/has true midi. To run > timidity as a alsa synth start up timidity like this: > > timidity -Os -iA -B2,8 & > > Its best to have timidity suid root so that it can use the real time > scheduler/clock or whatever it is called. In your application i.e. > rosegarden or noteedit just select the timidity synth instead of the > soundcard synth. The timidity samples are much better that the 8mb sound > fonts that come by default with the soundblaster cards. > > R.J.P. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Permissions
As I have been quite intelligent in setting permissions on my debian server, I am here to see if anyone has a solution. In my attempt to write recursive permissions on one of my directories, I hit enter a little too prematurely with / as the designated folder. Quickly noticing the error, I hit ctrl-c to stop the operation but as you can guiess, it was not soon enough. It overwrote the permissions that were set by debian in the /bin folder and unknown others. Is there a utility or way to easily(or not) fix the default permissions? Joshua _ Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Getting Net SNMPD to work for Cricket?
I'm trying to set up cricket on a machien to monitor variosu machines on my network. On the Debian machines I've installed the NET SNMP, and NET SNMPD .debs. Crickets systemPerfmon.pl returns a small amout of potentialy available data from the Debian amchines (not nearly all I would like to monitor), but even this is not working. I'm getting NaN's. meaning not data is being retrived. I've verified that the snmpd daemon is running. What do I need to configure on the Debian machines to make then supply data? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SSL SMTP Relay in DMZ
On Saturday 07 February 2004 03:10 pm, Curtis Vaughan wrote: > I would like to set up a mail server in a DMZ that would accept mail > only from those clients who have authenticated using SSL. Do you mean authenticate using username/password over SSL, or authenticate using an SSL certificate? If the former, setup SMTP AUTH to handle the authentication, and if your MTA supports TLS, use that to wrap the authentication in SSL. If not, use Stunnel. If the latter, have the MTA only listen on localhost. Setup Stunnel to only accept certain certificates, then forward those connection over localhost to the listening MTA. > Given that they have successfully passed that criteria, then this DMZ > mail server would pass the mail off to an internal mail server for > further delivery. Most MTAs support forwarding all mail to another server - just set this up for your MTA of choice. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exiscan-acl and clamav configuration question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:27:38PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > I get the following error in my exim4-configuration effort: > > error in ACL: unknown ACL condition/modifier in > "av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamd.ctl" > > Why is it an "unknown ACL condition/modifier"? Might need to create it. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKDSyUzgNqloQMwcRAhp3AJsFNkHfDJ0zb8VQqGv+pTBvzPef6gCfQKjQ kFR+v8nFsP8FQkiayOz3fWg= =9eRF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Feb 9, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Sam Halliday wrote: now please can we stop this thread and get back to debian related issues? This from the person who took the time to answer the original poster's anti-Microsoft comments with non-Linux/non-Debian advocacy on a Linux list??? You started it, sir. I just offered up some Linux CAD options, not being a Holier-than-Thou CAD software expert. While you may be very intelligent regarding CAD software, you sure seem willing to attack people like myself who are only pointing out alternatives that ARE Linux-related on a Linux mailing list, and then claiming that *I* took the conversation off-topic? Wow. Quite bold of you. Consider where you're posting. The majority of Debian users here could really care less what CAD software you use or what your problems are in finding a Linux vendor so you can run it on a stable, high-quality OS. The few that might be able to help by coding up a replacement for you haven't exactly been hired yet to do so by your employer who's stuck with a proprietary closed vendor situation, so obviously that's what they choose for their business. In other words, where the original poster was talking about choices, your organization has already made their choice. You're appear to be out to prove you're right at all costs -- so you attacked me, which is pretty silly considering that I don't really care. I'm just a guy who posted some CAD links to a really stupid thread. But... consider for a moment that the vast majority of the world doesn't need nor use CAD software at all, and then re-read the original poster's message within that context. If only 0.1% of the world's computer users use CAD software, then he's 99.9% correct -- adjust the percentages accordingly to real world numbers. Therefore your example is very poor, and his point is still quite valid. If the majority of computer users typically use e-mail MTA's, network file systems, mail servers, webservers, and not CAD software daily, Linux/Unix excels at those items and is generally regarded as much higher quality software -- then their choice of inferior Microsoft products is wrong. Most just don't know they're even making a choice. So you're 100% accurate that there are some people need Windows to run certain software, but in the bigger picture of things, you're 100% wrong that the original poster was not right. He may have neglected to point out that a very small population of the overall computer user-base out there might have a special need, but generally his comment was right. People running Windows for daily generic applications -- are making a mistaken choice. Nice try. The reality is that Microsoft's software is buggy, security-hole-ridden, crap. Anyone forced to use it by a third-party software vendor (AutoCAD) should be very very unhappy with that vendor, and should be voicing it to that vendor -- not Microsoft. Those of us who realize Microsoft software is of poor-quality have already told Microsoft it's not worth purchasing -- by not purchasing it. Maybe you can get AutoCAD to buy your copies of Windows to run their software on, if they require it for their software to work? I doubt it, but hey... it's worth a try over the bargaining table when you say you'd like to run their software on a good quality OS! Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6 install cd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:54:47AM +0100, Arunav Mandal wrote: > So do anybody got the idea where can I get hold of > installation disk with 2.6 kernel or how can I create a installation disk > from a present machine with custom 2.6 kerenl. You don't, they're non-existent. Have you even bothered with the 2.4 kernel? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKDO3UzgNqloQMwcRAorYAJ9lGn95iyDEVOV8o2VYXYXkiE+cgACgi9dG PXxZqxG36UIx6j0ZkRiSbjA= =BDTN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?
On February 9, 2004 04:42 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh said: > > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote: > >> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load > >> "sound > >> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required > >> or > >> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists. > >> > >> What do I need to do next? > > > > You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find > > something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in your > > Live > > card. And the soundfonts as well, of course. > > timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now. > > Any idea why awesfx was removed from the Debian packages? > > I found one on the web (awesfx_0.4.4-5_i386.deb). I found some SF2 files > (CT4MGM.SF2 CT8MGM.SF2) from my Windows machine with an SB Extigy. Will > they work? Somewhere I have the CDs from the SBLive card if I need them. > > Can I mess up the SBLive card running sfxload? > I use the awesfx package on my debian box without any problems (soundblaster live card). The sound fonts that come with the soundcard are called 2gmgsmt.sf2, 4gmgsmt.sf2 and 8mbgmsfx.sf2 which I'm sure you can find with a quick google. Note that using the cards wave synth under alsa drops an occasional note. See the alsa home page about this bug. > timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now. I don't understand the above statement. Timidity is/has true midi. To run timidity as a alsa synth start up timidity like this: timidity -Os -iA -B2,8 & Its best to have timidity suid root so that it can use the real time scheduler/clock or whatever it is called. In your application i.e. rosegarden or noteedit just select the timidity synth instead of the soundcard synth. The timidity samples are much better that the 8mb sound fonts that come by default with the soundblaster cards. R.J.P. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sftp sources?
Derrick Hudson wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > | Cristian Gutierrez wrote: > | > Sam Halliday writes: > [ftp/http is bandwidth limited on university network, ssh isn't > limited] > | > May be they can use an external proxy via ssh. Say, they have ssh > | > access to host X where X is outside their university network and > | > can use a proxy on Y:8000 (Y could be X itself). Now they can > | > forward their localhost:8000 to Y:8000 ssh'ing through X, and set > | > APT to use localhost:8000 as a proxy. > | unfortunately thats sounds like the only available option, as non > | ftp/http source do not seem to exist. the problem is that i do not > | know anyone external to the network, with root access to a box, > | willing to give up bandwidth and ports for the cause :-/. thanks > | anyway though... ill ask around. > > You don't need root access on the remote machine to do ssh port > forwarding. (you would only need root access if you were > "RemoteForwarding" a port <1024) interesting, ok, i think this could work, ill try to set it up for them on my machine to see, for now. anyone got any hints where i can read up about setting this kind of thing up? i've never done anything like this before, nor have i ever heard of it! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt - decoding of QP-escaped headers
Hello. Derrick 'dman' Hudson: > Note that this does not have any spaces in the encoded portion. Edit > the message mentioned above and change the header line to > > Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?czu=B3y=20barbarzy=F1ca=20-=20zaproszenie?= > or > Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?czu=B3y=20barbarzy=F1ca?= - zaproszenie > > and it will work. So that's the trick! Thanks, thanks a lot. I've read somewhere that the QP works by converting to the equals-and-two-hex-digits notation everything above ASCII 127 and the equals sign itself, and so must've missed the part about converting the spaces as well. Thanks again. Cheers, -- Shot (who now wonders whether the question mark, if it happened to be part of the string in question, should also be represented as "=3F" rather than verbatim "?"... anywhere I can see the specs?) -- .--- http://shot.pl/ --- http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ --- -- - | The outcome of any serious research can only be to | make two questions grow where only one grew before. | -- Thorstein Veblen `- --- -- - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Nate Duehr wrote: On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote: This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set up a RH server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no choice in the matter, not yet. I could have sworn VariCAD had a native Linux port? Not sure. Yep, see below. I don't think Mr. Keeling's comments were directed at specialized software users such as the users of AutoCAD. It is a rather simple process to install AutoCAD on machines that *NEVER* have public network access to keep their other Microsoft applications from being attacked by small applications teenagers write in their spare time. His comments were directed at Microsoft's products, not AutoCAD. I would think that if a large percentage of AutoCAD's users and purchasers (i.e. your corporation's leadership) simply stated in writing to AutoCAD that their goals were to stop running Windows platform machines in the near future, AutoCAD would have more fire under them to port the software to another OS. Especially if they stated that they're looking at alternatives right now. As I understand from news group postings and such, CAD venders are thinking about linux. Two years ago, AutoCAD said noway, now they say maybe. Anyway, that's their problem not mine. My point was some industries need to run windoze for a lack of a quality product they can use. You can not draw, designe, fabricate, estimate stress, build in safty features AND swap files with others in the field with the same rate of confidance in the product as you get from AutoCAD. Or at least so I am told, I do not use it at all. I have looked up CAD for linux, and it (much better now then two years ago, when I looked) is lacking compared with M$. My SysAdmin friend who works for the building company probably has it pretty well locked down. RH print/file/SAMBA/mail server to CAD workstations. At least if they get viruses, the server is still running :) A quick Google turned up these: www.linuxcad.com www.varicad.com www.cadsoft.de -- This is their Eagle PCB board layout software, not full CAD capability, but it's VERY highly regarded as one of the best board layout packages available today. Very configurable -- I use it. http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html http://www.ac3d.org/ http://www.cycas.de/ http://www.welcomehome.org/senecass/software/dome46.tar.gz There are *always* alternatives. Understanding that you may have a lot invested (a rediculous amount, really -- if you're paying their usual rates) in AutoCAD makes realizing why you stick with it more understandable. However, my point here is that Mr. Keeling is frustrated with the extreme lack of attention to software security in everything Microsoft builds. This is changing, as their clients demand better -- and hopefully someday the companies that are experiencing massive outages due to virii/worms will figure out that having to add software to all of their systems to protect against bad software design at the lowest level... i.e. the computer's operating system... is a rediculous added expense they can neither justify nor should they have to. They really should be able to *DEMAND* decent quality secure software and get it at this point in the computing timeline. Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange behaviour with kernel 2.6 and USB mass storage
[Nicos Gollan] > Wouldn't there be a theoretical problem when the host number reaches > a maximum? Like when I re-plugged the memorystick, say, 256 times? OK, you just made me curious enough to check the source. The SCSI host adapter number is an 'int', meaning it won't overflow until you have plugged and unplugged your USB drive over 2_000_000_000 times. I'm guessing your USB port would be pretty worn out physically by then. There *is* one lookup in there that casts the index to a 'short int' (I don't know why - looks like a bug), which limits you to 32767 such events ... but that case actually looks harmless, so don't worry about exceeding it. Peter signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Nate Duehr wrote: > Damon Chesser wrote: > > This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. > > Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker > > of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that > > builds buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set > > up a RH server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no > > choice in the matter, not yet. > I could have sworn VariCAD had a native Linux port? Not sure. Yep, > see below. varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they will tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too simplistic" by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects (REAL architects, not "extension to the back room" architects) need something a lot more powerful. > A quick Google turned up these: > www.linuxcad.com > www.varicad.com > www.cadsoft.de > www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html > www.ac3d.org > www.cycas.de > www.welcomehome.org/senecass/software/dome46.tar.gz these projects, although noteworthy and of good cause, are again like i said, a complete joke when it comes to professional usage in most branches of engineering or architecture. its like comparing `ed` to M$ word :-/ > There are *always* alternatives. if by "alternative", you mean "a program that _claims_ to do the same _basic_ functionality", then yes. trust me, there are high-end programs for particular disciplines which simply DO NOT have a replacement in the UNIX world. and even if a tool did exist, we are talking about tools which are so complex, you really do need to take a full course and have experience using them: so the user really has to decide whether it is worth their while to switch, bearing in mind that their career and earnings rest on that decision. to prove my point, i have actually tried this "there are replacement in GNU/Linux" approach with an engineer, to be told how feeble varicad and co really are for doing real work (after he tried them). you cannot even use varicad to do everything you would need in an undergraduate engineering course in the UK, let alone in the workplace. > Understanding that you may have a lot > invested (a rediculous amount, really -- if you're paying their usual > rates) in AutoCAD makes realizing why you stick with it more > understandable. AutoCAD is ridiculously _cheap_ i can tell you... compare it with some of the more advanced packages on the market (the names of which i could find out for you within a matter of a few days). but, thats not the point: you are correct that there is a lot of investment involved in any high end software. only productive (in the literal sense) offices will be using it... its not a toy, and there is big money involved in the end products. > However, my point here is that Mr. Keeling is frustrated with the > extreme lack of attention to software security in everything Microsoft > > builds. but that is not the original topic... Mr. Keeling said "there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't care who you are or why you want to"... which has been successfully disproved by the counterexample: some people need specialist software, which is only available for M$ windoze, so they must use M$ windoze. i am sure there are many more examples than these. if he has an issue with M$, he should take it up with M$; not people who use it (which is still 99% of PC users out there, a few with credentials to embarrass any one of us; they are not all stoopid lusers). now please can we stop this thread and get back to debian related issues? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh said: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load >> "sound >> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required >> or >> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists. >> >> What do I need to do next? > > You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find > something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in your > Live > card. And the soundfonts as well, of course. timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now. Any idea why awesfx was removed from the Debian packages? I found one on the web (awesfx_0.4.4-5_i386.deb). I found some SF2 files (CT4MGM.SF2 CT8MGM.SF2) from my Windows machine with an SB Extigy. Will they work? Somewhere I have the CDs from the SBLive card if I need them. Can I mess up the SBLive card running sfxload? ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 16:25, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > >Incoming from Paul Morgan: > >>You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti > >>"M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, > > > >This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft > >software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap > >flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and > >nose nailed shut. > > > >No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't > >care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. > This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users of > CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of > professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds > buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set up a RH > server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no choice in the > matter, not yet. Used to be that through AutoCAD R13, there was AutoCAD for UNIX systems. Many flavors too. I know I supported it on BSDi and on SGI. It was faster, more consistent, easier to move around and make work. Recognized lisp, you could redirect errors and such to another text only display without issue. Or you could use the 21" monitor for graphics only, use the tablets for all the pointy-clicky command and sabe the text monitor for commands to be type in. There was also FB mode for quick previews on the smaller monitor. Lotsa good stuff. AutoDESK chose to drop the UNIX stuff as they got HUGE HUGE HUGE discounts from M$ if they went to supporting only Windoze. Of course not being fools... as the *NIX versions only accounted for ~2% of sales towards the end, they switched and EOL'd the *NIX product flavor. But, once again, from those "used to be *NIX" shops, I hear whispers about a another version of AutoCAD for *NIX (prolly more specifically Linux I'd guess). Of course all the other products would soon follow as well, if this were to happen. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: non-us/security down again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 9. Februar 2004 17:50 schrieb Colin Watson: > klecker.debian.org, which serves non-us.debian.org and > security.debian.org, died again about an hour ago with power supply > problems and won't boot. VA Japan had already donated a new PSU, > which is due to arrive on Friday; it seems likely that the system > will be down until then. I made an apt-get update right now. No Problems. - -- MfG usw. Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser: 295882 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKB451jkT71DQrmARAryPAKCziMAXO7JohmcHwWOxV+GRIofzuQCff5RT Tvsdriis+YJthMDg8E/mf4o= =jhpR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 15:49, Mike M wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Adam Aube wrote: > > On Monday 09 February 2004 11:37 am, Mike M wrote: > > > Does this mean that the only way to get a system that just works is to > > > mix and match software from all branches? > > > > That depends on how you define "just works". All branches except stable > > have a chance of broken packages, so based on that stable is the only > > branch that "just works". > > > > The mix of the branches provides a system that "just works" while > > supporting newer hardware that stable does not currently support. > > However, this same mixing makes it difficult to keep a system updated > > from the Debian archive, as a package that worked when the Knoppix CD was > > made may be broken currently in the branch it is drawn from. > > I guess "stable" means bedrock stable then. It seems there will never > be a Debian stable that is aware of the latest hardware. Hardware is > released at a faster rate than the rate at which stable can be released. > > To use Debian on the latest hardware then you must use unstable or > testing, which exposes you to possible broken packages. Nope. I use Knoppix to boot from, make the "system image" as far as disks etc. I then mount those filesystems apropos and then run debootstrap in that directory and install a basic system. I then chroot into it and then update everything needed to make it work. Then install a new kernel that supports the hardware. All Done. Literally end of story. I have put woody on machines with SATA controllers that have only been out for 2.4.22+ to have drivers built in them. I don't have a single problem. > Live-cds mix and match packages from different release streams > (unstable, stable, testing) thus making update/upgrades out of the > mainstream of Debian support. > > > > I would not use Knoppix for anything other than a Live CD for this reason. > > > > What I want is an up-to-date hardware configurator and all the blessings > of stable. This will most likely never be available. It seems > impossible. > > I would settle for an up-to-date hardware configurator with the stream > purity of unstable. This appears to be in the works with Sarge, so I'll > go try it. > > What I have is Knoppix on HDD with a /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to > all the Knoppix defined mirrors with the exception of some that don't > work (which highlights the problems you point out). I end up having no knoppix type of system. You might consider doing something similar. The stuff I do is based in part on the the Debian Chroot Install @ twiki.iwethey.org Search in google... you will find it. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote: > Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load "sound > fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required or > not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists. > > What do I need to do next? You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in your Live card. And the soundfonts as well, of course. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote: This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set up a RH server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no choice in the matter, not yet. I could have sworn VariCAD had a native Linux port? Not sure. Yep, see below. I don't think Mr. Keeling's comments were directed at specialized software users such as the users of AutoCAD. It is a rather simple process to install AutoCAD on machines that *NEVER* have public network access to keep their other Microsoft applications from being attacked by small applications teenagers write in their spare time. His comments were directed at Microsoft's products, not AutoCAD. I would think that if a large percentage of AutoCAD's users and purchasers (i.e. your corporation's leadership) simply stated in writing to AutoCAD that their goals were to stop running Windows platform machines in the near future, AutoCAD would have more fire under them to port the software to another OS. Especially if they stated that they're looking at alternatives right now. A quick Google turned up these: www.linuxcad.com www.varicad.com www.cadsoft.de -- This is their Eagle PCB board layout software, not full CAD capability, but it's VERY highly regarded as one of the best board layout packages available today. Very configurable -- I use it. http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html http://www.ac3d.org/ http://www.cycas.de/ http://www.welcomehome.org/senecass/software/dome46.tar.gz There are *always* alternatives. Understanding that you may have a lot invested (a rediculous amount, really -- if you're paying their usual rates) in AutoCAD makes realizing why you stick with it more understandable. However, my point here is that Mr. Keeling is frustrated with the extreme lack of attention to software security in everything Microsoft builds. This is changing, as their clients demand better -- and hopefully someday the companies that are experiencing massive outages due to virii/worms will figure out that having to add software to all of their systems to protect against bad software design at the lowest level... i.e. the computer's operating system... is a rediculous added expense they can neither justify nor should they have to. They really should be able to *DEMAND* decent quality secure software and get it at this point in the computing timeline. Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:43:41 +0800, Katipo wrote: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:59:43 -0500 > Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote: >> >> > Incoming from Paul Morgan: >> >> >> >> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of >> >infantile anti> "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. >> > I use several OSes, >> > >> > This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft >> > software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap >> > flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and >> > nose nailed shut. >> > >> > No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't >> > care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. >> >> My thanks for illustrating my point with your ridiculous post. >> > Yes, Mr. Morgan. > Regards, > > David. Well, I'm sorry, but he did and it was. Regards to you too :) -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RealOne player
Hi all, Anyone using the alpha RealPlayer9? I've been using 8 for ages, and thought I'd give it a go. After a hiccup where the libXm library wasn't in the ldconfig cache, I thought it would be plain sailing. But: bin $ /usr/local/RealPlayer9/realplay bin $ No mention of it in ps as a hung process, no nothing. Thought I'd ask here before I give up. A -- Please don't CC me. Also _please_ read the following before posting: Documentation - http://www.debian.org/doc/ FAQ - http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ Install manual (i386) - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
On Monday 09 February 2004 03:49 pm, Mike M wrote: > What I want is an up-to-date hardware configurator and all the > blessings of stable. This will most likely never be available. It > seems impossible. You could try MEPIS. It can be freely downloaded, and can be installed or run as a Live CD. MEPIS produces their own updates, so you can keep up to date that way. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two Apache instances; IPTables to redirect ports
On Monday 09 February 2004 01:41 pm, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > Oh, OK... Isn't it a viable alternative to run apache with -f config, > with another config file...? I'd forgotten about that. > I thought that would be the most elegant path to take Definitely. > but I have no clue on how to implement it practically Same concept applies - make sure they use different ports, PID files, etc. Then just copy the init.d script and edit it so that it launches your demo server using the alternate configuration file. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:59:43 -0500 Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote: > > > Incoming from Paul Morgan: > >> > >> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of > >infantile anti> "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. > > I use several OSes, > > > > This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft > > software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap > > flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and > > nose nailed shut. > > > > No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't > > care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. > > My thanks for illustrating my point with your ridiculous post. > Yes, Mr. Morgan. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:25:17 -0600 "Damon L. Chesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > >Incoming from Paul Morgan: > > > > > This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users > of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of > professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds > buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set up a RH > server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no choice in > the matter, not yet. > Hello Damon, No, he was speaking of Microsoft. Autocad is not Microsoft, it is proprietary, yes, but the quality factor is there. I wonder why it's not ported to Linux? Some people feel threatened for some reason when I speak with derogation on the subject of M$, but M$ is so much more than just software. I don't think much of it as far as software goes, but that aspect of it doesn't concern me overly. If others choose to use an inferior product, fine by me. And sometimes as you point out, it is necessary to use some applications that for some obscure though doubtless interesting reason, have not been made available to the Unix derivatives, there is sound reason. When I speak about M$, it is with regard to the cheap, grubby, insidiously political, invasive garbage they see fit to impose on our personal existence. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'apt-get dist-upgrade' not working.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Bogacki wrote: Hi, I'm running unstable and have not been able to do a successful 'apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing' for 2-3 weeks now. That is a big backlog in unstable. The key message seems to be E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) Try: dpkg --configure --pending If no joy, could you attach your status file? I know there's a script that I used to correct this problem several years ago; I'll try to dig it up and post it. PJ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKBL5Yw5KPp1tcx8RAi0/AKC+XOzwVajCqhMsX4r9f9KZLDyMqgCfb+/Q K8Ha7tkStFGg8OC+3t6IqEg= =n8kM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:04:34 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: [snip] > > If the idea is to dumb things down so that the stupids don't have to think, > eventually all that will be left are the stupids. > [snip] Ha! "Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it." I've just reread this and I probably shouldn't post it, but heck, it took a while to write, so here goes... I once thought that making Debian GNU/Linux easier for the non-IT person to install and use was A Good Thing(tm). But I find my mind has changed on reflection (the reflection started thanks to a fairly good spanking I received on #debian for which I remain grateful). Debian isn't a business, it's a free project, entirely supported by volunteers and contributions/donations. As such, Debian does not need to seek market share, or compete with other Linux distros or other OSes. And, in fact, the more non-IT folks who use Debian, the more immediately onerous for the volunteers becomes the burden of support and documentation. The only level of market share which debian needs is enough to maintain the interest of volunteers and would-be volunteers for development, testing and documentation. And, of course, donors. So, if someone finds debian too hard to install or maintain, and doesn't want to spend the time learning and experimenting, well, that's OK. They can still install RH, Suse, Knoppix or whatever - it's *still Linux*. Or they can install one of the Microsoft products. That's OK, too, if it gives them what they need. The point being that if you install debian, and ask questions which show that you're thinking and trying to learn, debian folks will bend over backwards and stay up all night helping you out, for free. There are many in here who will attest to that. But, if all you do is complain about how another distro is better, or why isn't debian easier to install, or why don't "they" improve the documentation, or why is woody so *old*, then, by all means, migrate to a different distribution and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, because the fact is that you have no right to make demands and the debian project doesn't really need you anyway. It's not like you're a paying customer. An aside: I find myself, having once been a bit taken aback by his forthrightness, often agreeing with Marc - but please *don't* tell anyone this, *especially him*. Heh. Marc often expresses what I (and I suspect many others) are thinking but don't wish to/dare to put into words, and then takes the heat for it, leaving the rest of us to look like nice guys. And for that, he gets my thanks. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window managers with maximize-vertical?
Tim Connors wrote: Johann Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:42:17 -0500: On Sunday February 8 at 11:34am "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems to me that, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, I had a window manager that supported maximize-vertical (as opposed to maximizing in both directions). Anyone using a window manager right now that does this? Preferably one that interacts well with gnome. Enlightenment. Right click to maximize vertically, middle click to maximize horizontally. FVWM. Whatever bindings you set up. yep, IIRC the default debian bindings are left click vertical, middle click both, right click horizontal (click on the maximize button on the right side of the title). it can also be set up to maximize to certain percentage (and you can set different key and/or mouse bindings) erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternative to VMware?
on Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:54:03PM -0600, Joel Konkle-Parker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I really want to get a copy of VMware, but I don't have $140 for the
> student version. So I'm looking for alternatives. I just want some kind
> of sandbox where I can test out new software, distros, etc, without
> rebooting into a seperate partition.
>
> What do other people use?
In the late-to-the-party tradition (and I saw you settled on VMWare):
A brief review of various emulation / virtualization / compatibility
options.
VMWare is a hardware virtualization system. It's specific to x86
hardware, and relies on the underlying hardware as well as the OS. It's
actually performing much the same functionality as IBM's VM (virtual
machine), and borrows heavily from this, conceptually. x86 hardware
isn't designed ground-up to be virtualizeable, though it turns out to
support the concept reasonably well.
VMWare doesn't provide a software machine, but uses software to
virtualize the hardware machine. The performance hit is actually
relatively slight, the primary exception being disk access. It does
help to have a healthy memory allocation as well. You're stuck with the
component set that VMWare gives you (all VMWare machines are effectively
identically configured). With the one possible exception that
something's been skewered to make Microsoft's registration system take
hold -- otherwise you'd be able to clone a single instance of WinXP Pro
across every single VMWare instance in existance. Some virtual hardware
(sound in particular) is only present if your actual hardware has the
corresponding support.
Though why you'd want to virtually waste a virtually perfectly good
virtual machine is virtually beyond me
By contrast, bochs / plex86 are hardware *emulations*. You're getting
hardware-in-software. Plex86 _may_ offer some level of virtualization,
but it's markedly less than VMWare. Upside is that you can run an
emulated x86 box on other achitectures, and that you can create a
virtual system with resources beyond those supported by the host -- more
memory, in particular.
The ... downside ... is ... that ... it's ... pathelogically ... slow.
I've tried, several times, to do a simple MS DOS install in Plex86.
After the second or third hour on the first installation disk, the idea
starts to lose its appeal.
Other compatibility systems include
- Win4Lin, which offers what I'll inaccurately and blythely call "OS
emulation" -- you're getting the operating environment emulated in
the host, it _may_ require an OS instance, and is specific to
DOS-based 'Doze -- Win95/98/ME. Win2K, WinXP, and Win2K+3 aren't
supported.
- WINE, which offers binary application compatibility -- system calls
are translated from one OS to another.
- DOSEMU, which properly isn't an emulator, but a virtual machine (as
with VMWare), though one restricted to the 386 virtual machine
capabilities of the x86 CPU.
- UML, "user mode linux", is an option if you want to run a GNU/Linux
system wholly contained within another. This is a higher level of
seperation than a chroot jail, but offers better performance than
most of the emulation tools. UML is kernel-in-software -- you run
"linux" as a user-space process on the host, it uses a directory,
filesystem image, or partition as its root partition. Very useful
for a number of tricks.
- On Microsoft systems, if you want a Unix run-alike environment,
options include Cygwin (highly recommended), the apparently
faltering UWIN project from AT&T Research, and Microsoft's own Shut
the F*ck Up, erm, SFU, ("services for Unix"). After failing to sell
this product, MSFT is now failing to distribute it for free. Don't
be suckered.
Other "not quite there", if you'll pardon the expression, solutions
involve remote access tools. VNC, rdesktop, and a few other clients
allow remote access to a legacy MS Windows desktop or terminal services
server. Here you're getting legacy MS Windows functionality from a
real legacy MS Windows system, but you don't have to be there for it.
Recommendations are for WINE, VMWare, VNC, or Win4Lin, roughly in that
order.
WINE is cheap (well, free), and works pretty well for a large number of
apps. You might as well see if it suits your needs. For older
software, you'll almost certainly have substantial functionality. You
can also look at Codeweavers, with is WINE wrapped in a bit of
commercial product chrome. Well reviewed, haven't used it myself.
VMWare is the 600lb gorilla and 99% solution. Unless you're dealing
with a performance- or hardware- dependent solution, it _really_ works,
_really_ well. It's slower than real life, but once you're above the
600 MHz system, and have memory to throw at it, it's good. Not cheap:
you need both VMWare and the OS to install on it. It's beautifully
suited to helpdesks, support centers, development, and network
simulations.
VNC
Re: Re: stable or testing?
Stable, but should it not be described in /etc/apt/sources.list as woody iso stable? So that at rollovertime (real soon now (tm)), stable=woody-->stable=sarge there are no unexpected upgrades. mvg Boudewijn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alt-right-click in xterm
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 05:18:20PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > I liket he second style better, as it gives me more flexibility. > Anyone know what option controls this behaviour? Sure. The window manager that's being used on the one, versus the window manager that's being used on the other. Which is the first using, and which is the second using? -- Marc Wilson | "If you own a machine, you are in turn owned by it, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | and spend your time serving it..." -- Marion Zimmer | Bradley, _The Forbidden Tower_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (un)mounting smb shares
on Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:18:32PM +0100, Joerg Johannes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi everybody > > At our university, I can mount a smb directory at our computing centre > by giving my username and password. I have in my /etc/fstab: > > //myusername.files.uni-freiburg.de/windows /home/jorg/files > smb username=myusername,user,noauto,rw 00 > > When I type "mount files/" in my home directory, I am asked to give my > password, and then I can read/write to the network dir without problems. > The problem comes when I want to umount the directory: > > umount files/ > umount: only root can unmount //myusername.files.uni-freiburg.de/windows > from /home/jorg/files > > Can anybody tell my why, and how to fix it? I'd like to umount this dir > as normal user. Consider using autofs to automatically mount and umount the shares on demand. Set a short timeout -- a few seconds (2-3) isn't too short -- to allow you to quickly free resources and keep you from waiting for mount time-outs. One limitation of legacy MS Windows is to allow only a limited number of clients access to a fileserver (IIRC, 10). Each GNU/Linux mount counts as a user instance. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Geek for hire: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Gnome terminal, switching profile w/o menu?
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 06:57, Magnus Therning wrote: > Is there a way of switching the profile of a running gnome-terminal, > without using the menu? I am mostly interested of doing it from inside > the terminal itself. The immediately obvious answer is "ALT+t p". Also see "gnome-terminal --help" -- Mark Roach -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Directory name completion using bash_completion in unstable (forwarded from Phil Edwards)
On Fri 12 Dec 2003 at 07:51:13 +0100, you wrote: > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i > X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cs.tu-berlin.de (including spamassassin) > From: Phil Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Directory name completion using bash_completion in unstable > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:24:13 -0500 > > [I'm not subscribed, cc's appreciated.] > > Executive summary: Debian is behaving slightly differently than stock > bash and bash_completion, and I'd like to know why. (Because I like the > Debian behavior better.) > > > The question deals with directory completion when typing the path to an > executable. As an example, say I want to run "./longdir/longsubdir/foo" > and I use because the names are long and complicated, or I'm just lazy. > I will use '_' to represent the cursor position. > > Using stock upstream bash with stock upstream bash_completion, I can type > "./longd" and get > > $ ./longdir _ > > So I type a backspace, a slash, then "longs" and get > > $ ./longdir/longsubdir _ > > Sigh. Backspace again, another slash, etc, etc. > > > The only line in INPUTRC/.inputrc is "set mark-directories off" to not > get the trailing slash. But a trailing space is still appended. > > > Under Debian, the trailing space is not appended. Yay. > > > I note that the "complete" builtin has a "-o nospace" option to specifically > disable the extra space -- but this only works for programmed completion. > There doesn't seem to be a readline (or other) option to turn it off > while completing the initial command word. And there doesn't seem to > be anything in sid's /etc/bash_completion that tries to set completion > options for the general command word case. > > How is the Debian version doing this? The Debian version probably applies the seven or eight official patches to 2.05b. I seem to recall this was a problem with the stock 2.05b when it was released. Ian -- Ian Macdonald | The algorithm for finding the longest path System Administrator| in a graph is NP-complete. For you systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] | people, that means it's *real slow*. -- http://www.caliban.org | Bart Miller | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
alt-right-click in xterm
hey folks, On one computer running debian-unstable right-alt-click in xterm gives e a bracketed arrow pointint down and to the right. WHen I move the mouse, the size of the window changes in the direciton the mouse moves... On another system, also running debian-unstable, the same action gives me slightly different behaviours depending on wherei n the xtemr window the mouse focus happens to be; so if I'm in the bottom half of the window, the arrow pointsi n one direction; if I'm in the top half, it points in another. I liket he second style better, as it gives me more flexibility. Anyone know what option controls this behaviour? thanks, matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:11:15 +, Sam Halliday wrote: > > i cant believe i just replied to an anti-microsoft troll on debian-user > :-/ > I'll note it in my diary, Sam :> -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual boot debian & Windoze, need advice
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:06:38 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > I want to dual boot an i686 machine with Debian Sarge and Windoze. My > situation is somewhat special, so the directions that I find when I > google the topic do not really apply IMHO. > > The i686 computer already has Sarge installed on a 60G HD, and Windoze > XP installed on a 30G HD that is sitting inside the case. But the > Windoze HD is currently disconnected from both the ribbon cable and > the power cable. > > I want to add an appropriate stanza to lilo.conf and connect cables to > get dual boot with a minimum of reinstalling. I would like to have the > 60G HD be hda under Linux, and the 30G HD be C: under Windoze. I would > like to use lilo. > > My understanding is that bios boot code on an i686 looks at the MBR of > the master drive on the first IDE channel to find the 2nd stage boot > program, and that lilo overwrites this record. > > If I do the cabling so that Windoze HD is the slave drive, lilo should > not touch the MBR of the Windoze HD. Correct? > > So what do I put in the Windoze stanza of lilo.conf to make boot program > load Windoze? And is there a reasonable hope that Windoze can be made to > think that the slave drive is C:? Or will it do this automatically? > > Or, am I crazy to be contemplating this? > > TIA You don't say which version of Windows you are using, or whether the Windows drive was the primary drive when Windows was installed. I'm running multi-boot Linux and Windows XP with Windows XP on the first partition in the first slave drive (i.e. what would be /dev/hdb to Linux). When I installed XP, it was on the primary drive; I moved the drive to the slave position and, rather than mess with boot.ini, etc., I simply swapped bios drive numbers in lilo for the Windows boot. If you are using XP or W2K or later, this stanza should work in the situation which you describe: other=/dev/hdb1 label=WinXP table=/dev/hdb master-boot -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?
In order to get MIDI going I upgraded to sid, updated kernel 2.4.19 to 2.4.24 and switched form the kernel sound driver to ALSA. Everything still works (xmms can play mp3 to ALSA output, for example), but still no MIDI sound. lsmod shows all the modules as shown below. Playing a midi file goes through the motions (no errors) but no sound. I unmuted and turned up the volume on every device in alsamixer. Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load "sound fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required or not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists. What do I need to do next? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod Module Size Used byTainted: P snd-pcm-oss39172 0 snd-seq-midi4032 0 (autoclean) snd-seq-oss29600 0 (autoclean) snd-mixer-oss 13392 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss] snd-emu10k1-synth 4636 0 snd-emu10k174532 7 [snd-emu10k1-synth] snd-pcm60068 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-emu10k1] snd-hwdep 5280 0 [snd-emu10k1] snd-page-alloc 6452 0 [snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm] snd-ac97-codec 47532 0 [snd-emu10k1] snd-emux-synth 28156 0 [snd-emu10k1-synth] snd-util-mem1264 0 [snd-emu10k1 snd-emux-synth] snd-seq-midi-emul 5008 0 [snd-emux-synth] snd-seq-virmidi 3288 0 [snd-emux-synth] snd-seq-midi-event 3264 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-virmidi] snd-seq36784 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-emux-synth snd-se q-midi-emul snd-seq-virmidi snd-seq-midi-event] snd-timer 14724 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] snd-rawmidi13504 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-emu10k1 snd-seq-virmidi] snd-seq-device 4304 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-emu10k1-synth snd -emu10k1 snd-emux-synth snd-seq snd-rawmidi] snd32004 7 [snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-mixer -oss snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm snd-hwdep snd-ac97-codec snd-emux-synth snd-util-mem sn d-seq-virmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device] nvidia 1962496 6 (autoclean) ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sed trouble: "\'a to á" etc
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 04:47:07PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > I am trying to write a small sed script to change tex coding \'a to > just á, since it is much simpler to write it like that, using latin1 Hi, Antonio. IIRC, recode(1) can do this, or cstocs(1). And if not, recode /should/. HTH. -- Jan Minar "Please don't CC me, I'm subscribed." x 9 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Auction R.S. Brookes
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:07:55 +, Clarke Fussells wrote: [snip] > > Complete all stainless steel mashed potato plant with blanchers, > peelers, emulsifiers and mixers * Complete forming battering > crumbing and frying lines Formax, Koppens and Stein [snip] Yes, but does all that stuff come with Linux drivers/modules? That'd be pretty cool to be able to make fish and chips or bangers and mash from one's PC. :> -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
Hello Mike M (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > To use Debian on the latest hardware then you must use unstable or > testing, which exposes you to possible broken packages. That is not always correct, because in many cases it is sufficient to only use a newer Kernel (e.g. from backports.org, or self-compiled), but use packages from stable otherwise. In some cases, you can only upgrade the drivers, but keep the rest of the Kernel from stable, for example if you need a newer version of ALSA for your sound card. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:29:37 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 02:11:29AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: >> > What would you suggest as an alternative? I've heard calls for Morphix, >> > but that's a derivitive of Knoppix. >> >> I'd suggest them putting the Woody CD in the drive and running the >> installer. Woody's installer is pretty brain-dead... there's not a whole >> lot there to mess up. That's what's nice about it. > > That's true, but a new user might want newer software than woody has > to offer. Things like openoffice, and newer versions of mozilla. > > Bijan Well, that's easy. Install a minimal woody, then point to testing or unstable and do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. At lest then you have a coherent, updateable debian distro, even though (in the cases of testing and unstable), things may break from time to time. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade woody -> sarge not working
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:37:09PM -0800, Roger Chrisman wrote: > I use 'testing' instead of 'sarge' in /etc/sources.list. > > I understand 'testing' == 'sarge', but are they also interchangablely in > sources.list in that way? Produce identical results? This is what I understand from it: When sarge is 'stable' it will be updated to the 'stable' tag. So, if you have 'testing' in your sources all your packages will be upgraded to the _current_ testing (which I guess would be stuff from unstable moved to testing?) If you have 'sarge' in your sources then when sarge goes stable you're packages will not be upgraded to the 'new' testing. Note that 'unstable' is always called 'sid' and sid is never moved anywhere. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: recommended reading?
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:44:38 -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Thorsten Haude: >> >> * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): >> >Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. >> >> Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but >> now it's obsolete. > > I imagine you have the same opinion of Shakespeare? Cicero, > Aristotle, etc., etc. Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't > mean it's obsolete. K&P is definitely not obsolete. Rob Pike, commenting on X: "I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck." And, until the recent advent of fast CPUs, he was dead right, of course. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Paul Morgan: You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and nose nailed shut. No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set up a RH server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no choice in the matter, not yet. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sym53c8xx_2 driver+tekram DC-390u2w+kernel-2.6.0 (Posting again)
As you can see by the subject of the e-mail I have a Tekram DC-390U2W Scsi controller and am trying to get kernel-2.6.0 running, but I can not get The sym53c8xx_2 driver to work properly. I have it build into my kernel and It detects my scsi hardware, but when it tries to mount any scsi partitions I get error reports about "parity error". I also have kernel-2.4.18 Installed and using the sym53c8xx driver without any problems. I have tried using: linux sym53c8xx=3Dmpar:n, pcifix:3 With no luck. Is the syntax wrong I have tried several way of typing this with no luck. I have also read the sym53c8xx.txt file included with the kernel documentation. One thing that I thought was strange was when booting kernel-2.4.18 and When detecting my hardware it shows: sym53c8xx: at PCI bus 0, device 15, function 0 sym53c8xx: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY...(fix-up) sym53c8xx: 53c895 detected with Tekram NVRAM sym53c895-0: rev 0x1 on pci bus 0 device 15 function 0 irq 11 sym53c895-0: Tekram format NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, NO Parity sym53c895-0: SCSI bus mode change from 80 to 80. scsi0 : sym53c8xx-1.7.3c-20010512 but when booting kernel 2.6.0 the sym53c8xx: is replaced by sym: is this correct? Sorry to be so long winded, but I am NOT a programmer just a regular user, but this problem is driving me crazy. Could you please give me some insight to what I should try next. Also I tried compiling kernel-2.6.1 with no nluck Brad Cramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade woody -> sarge not working
09 February 2004 07:16, Werner Mahr: > Why stable and unstable if you want Sarge (testing)? > Try this in your sources.list: > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib\ > non-free > deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main I use 'testing' instead of 'sarge' in /etc/sources.list. I understand 'testing' == 'sarge', but are they also interchangablely in sources.list in that way? Produce identical results? Thanks, Roger TEFLChina.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual boot debian & Windoze, need advice
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 08:30:21PM +, stephen parkinson wrote: > Paul E Condon wrote: > > >I want to dual boot an i686 machine with Debian Sarge and Windoze. My > >situation is somewhat special, so the directions that I find when I > >google the topic do not really apply IMHO. > > > >The i686 computer already has Sarge installed on a 60G HD, and Windoze > >XP installed on a 30G HD that is sitting inside the case. But the > >Windoze HD is currently disconnected from both the ribbon cable and > >the power cable. > > > >I want to add an appropriate stanza to lilo.conf and connect cables to > >get dual boot with a minimum of reinstalling. I would like to have the > >60G HD be hda under Linux, and the 30G HD be C: under Windoze. I would > >like to use lilo. > > > >My understanding is that bios boot code on an i686 looks at the MBR of > >the master drive on the first IDE channel to find the 2nd stage boot > >program, and that lilo overwrites this record. > > > >If I do the cabling so that Windoze HD is the slave drive, lilo should > >not touch the MBR of the Windoze HD. Correct? > > > >So what do I put in the Windoze stanza of lilo.conf to make boot program > >load Windoze? And is there a reasonable hope that Windoze can be made to > >think that the slave drive is C:? Or will it do this automatically? > > > >Or, am I crazy to be contemplating this? > > > >TIA > > > > > > > istr that windows ignores non-dos partition types > for drive allocation letters > > i have a vague idea that the problem is the stanza > for windows > further than that i don't know > > did you install windoze on the slave drive when it was in the machine as > a master? > The Windoze HD came with the computer in the original purchase, and was pre-loaded. It was/is master. And the Linux HD is, currently, also master. Of course one would have to change. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Paul Morgan: >> >> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti >> "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, > > This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft > software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap > flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and > nose nailed shut. > > No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't > care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. My thanks for illustrating my point with your ridiculous post. -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Paul Morgan: > > You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of > > infantile anti"M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. > > I use several OSes, > This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft > software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap > flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and > nose nailed shut. > > No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't > care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. how about being in an industry which has specialist software which only runs on a M$ base... and breaking compatibility with your peers by using an alternative, inferior package would simply leave your career in dust. you don't sound like you have thought your argument out very well. we are all decided that we _prefer_ GNU/Linux, but even for those who are aware of operating systems other than windows, they are not always in a position to be able to use them. sure i could advise my architecture and engineering friends to use GNU/Linux.. they may have the standard office tools under their new operating system... but please tell me how they are to continue designing engines and buildings; under xfig? i am in a lucky situation, as the major mathematics tools have been ported to all flavours of UNIX (although they could do with an update to their terrible GUIs) and most hi-end academic physics software (Root/AliRoot anyone?) is open source. i cant believe i just replied to an anti-microsoft troll on debian-user :-/ cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: upgrade woody -> sarge not working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 9. Februar 2004 18:18 schrieb Adam Funk: > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free > > What's the difference between using "sarge" and "testing", e.g. > > deb ftp://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing \ > main contrib non-free > > in sources.list? Does it mean simply that when "sarge" becomes > "stable", people using the first version will be installing and > updating from that version, whereas people using the second version > will continue to install and update whatever is then in "testing"? In first case you get sarge in the second you get testing. Sarge becomes stable, then it becomes old-stable. Testing is testing stays testing. But if sarge becomes stable, testing gets a new name. - -- MfG usw. Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser: 295882 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAJ+s61jkT71DQrmARAnUbAJ4ziPOhn/H/wZb+vNrM+W087MW0ogCeO2mP WAwHPoMiRkfI7yjcbPpMyoU= =LgYG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: from Peter Brown
pbrown> Enclosed is an account of an issue that recently pbrown> occurred with my 20GB HDD. 15GB of the disk contains a pbrown> year's worth of important Graphics files. Somehow pbrown> the disk became corrupted. The 20GB HDD physically pbrown> functions fine, i.e., it does not makes any clicking pbrown> noise and is recognized by WinXP. However, in pbrown> Properties my 20GB drive is now a 5.98 GB Drive/4.80 pbrown> used/1.18 free. Moreover, the disc has no visible data pbrown> on it. It appears that the Graphics files are still on pbrown> the disc because the amount that is being misreported pbrown> by WinXP is equal to the amount of the lost Graphic pbrown> files. If after reading it you feel that there is some pbrown> chance of restoring the original file system, please pbrown> let me know. I am in a very desperate situation and pbrown> anxious to recover these files. I tried and had good luck with a program called restorer2000 at http://www.restorer2000.com/ . They have a free limited-functionality version as well as a $50.00 version. You can test-drive the free version and, if it seems to work, fork out the $50.00 for the full version. Of course, Your Mileage May Vary. Good luck. - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Incoming from Paul Morgan: > > You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti > "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes, This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and nose nailed shut. No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Adam Aube wrote: > On Monday 09 February 2004 11:37 am, Mike M wrote: > > Does this mean that the only way to get a system that just works is to > > mix and match software from all branches? > > That depends on how you define "just works". All branches except stable > have a chance of broken packages, so based on that stable is the only > branch that "just works". > > The mix of the branches provides a system that "just works" while > supporting newer hardware that stable does not currently support. > However, this same mixing makes it difficult to keep a system updated > from the Debian archive, as a package that worked when the Knoppix CD was > made may be broken currently in the branch it is drawn from. I guess "stable" means bedrock stable then. It seems there will never be a Debian stable that is aware of the latest hardware. Hardware is released at a faster rate than the rate at which stable can be released. To use Debian on the latest hardware then you must use unstable or testing, which exposes you to possible broken packages. Live-cds mix and match packages from different release streams (unstable, stable, testing) thus making update/upgrades out of the mainstream of Debian support. > > I would not use Knoppix for anything other than a Live CD for this reason. > What I want is an up-to-date hardware configurator and all the blessings of stable. This will most likely never be available. It seems impossible. I would settle for an up-to-date hardware configurator with the stream purity of unstable. This appears to be in the works with Sarge, so I'll go try it. What I have is Knoppix on HDD with a /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to all the Knoppix defined mirrors with the exception of some that don't work (which highlights the problems you point out). -- Mike Two hundred years ago, we note mischievously, the average American or European had a standard of living not very much superior to that of the average man in India or China. -- dailyreckoning.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual boot debian & Windoze, need advice
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:06:38PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > So what do I put in the Windoze stanza of lilo.conf to make boot program > load Windoze? And is there a reasonable hope that Windoze can be made to > think that the slave drive is C:? Or will it do this automatically? In my experience, when Windows is on anything other than the first partition of the primary master HD, the results are unpredictable and event-sequence dependent. 98 will walk the bios chain and the first dos-readable partition becomes C:. NT/W2K/XP have completely different algorithms for assigning driver letters during setup and post setup. The number of permutations for failure modes for NT is stochastic. In other words: don't f*cking bother. > > Or, am I crazy to be contemplating this? > > TIA > > -- > Paul E Condon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual boot debian & Windoze, need advice
Paul E Condon wrote: I want to dual boot an i686 machine with Debian Sarge and Windoze. My situation is somewhat special, so the directions that I find when I google the topic do not really apply IMHO. The i686 computer already has Sarge installed on a 60G HD, and Windoze XP installed on a 30G HD that is sitting inside the case. But the Windoze HD is currently disconnected from both the ribbon cable and the power cable. I want to add an appropriate stanza to lilo.conf and connect cables to get dual boot with a minimum of reinstalling. I would like to have the 60G HD be hda under Linux, and the 30G HD be C: under Windoze. I would like to use lilo. My understanding is that bios boot code on an i686 looks at the MBR of the master drive on the first IDE channel to find the 2nd stage boot program, and that lilo overwrites this record. If I do the cabling so that Windoze HD is the slave drive, lilo should not touch the MBR of the Windoze HD. Correct? So what do I put in the Windoze stanza of lilo.conf to make boot program load Windoze? And is there a reasonable hope that Windoze can be made to think that the slave drive is C:? Or will it do this automatically? Or, am I crazy to be contemplating this? TIA istr that windows ignores non-dos partition types for drive allocation letters i have a vague idea that the problem is the stanza for windows further than that i don't know did you install windoze on the slave drive when it was in the machine as a master? srp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
