upgrading windoze partition

[Roy Pluschke]

Currently running a dual boot system win98 and sid (lilo is my boot manager).  
I have to update my little used windows partition to windows 2000 for a 
particular program but I am afraid this will cause problems with lilo by 
over-writing something.  What's the best way of doing this safely and not 
losing my sid partition?

Thanks in advance,
R.J.P.


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[Fwd: canon D300: it works!]

[steef]

 Original Message 
Subject:canon D300: it works!
Date:   Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:14:55 +0200
From:   steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


wellafter some work I can download files and get thumbnails out of 
my wife's brandnew Canon Eos 300D (normal) with  and an < exif leb/dev>  on sarge.

thanks to you all who helped me to get this thing going!

steef
groningen
netherlands


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[Fwd: Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...]

[steef]

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Subject:Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...
Date:   Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:20:53 +0200
From:   steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Uwe Dippel wrote:

FYI.

Did the usual update / upgrade. When starting, the 'reading script' dialog
came up and I smelled trouble. I could still select 'upgrade from 1.0.3'
or 'new' and clicked 'upgrade ...'.
But, alas, everything gone and I had to enter name, etc. blabla once again.
There is no export to Flash any longer, as well.

The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
worked with 1.1.0).
All in all: Not too good.
If it's again only, me; I'll manage. If I'm not the only one, though, I'd
better file a bug report.
What do the others experience ?

 

welli loaded up the dutch version of openoffice 1.1.0. last 
spell-checker (dutch, 9/4/2004) does not work: seems to have no 
wordlist. costed me hours to find out that this part did not work 
properly. rather annoying: i am a journalist publicist and really need 
those files in working order. a friend of mine called openoffice the 
worst invention since skippy: i do not agree with him for the last 
versions. before i had regular some unforeseen trouble with writing. as 
i said; in 1.1.0. it is somewhat better.

1.1.1 (english version), community-made together with sun, works fine so 
far. after i decided, frustrated, to get rid of the dutch 1.1.0 version. 
same problem in 1.1.1 with the dutch spellcheker as in the dutch 
version. so i loaded 'at the end of my patience' up from a cdrom an 
older, perfect version. annoying as well is the absence in 1.1.1. too of 
a plug for opening up .pdf-files. altogether rather sloppy, and really 
stupid to put an untested (?) spellcheckerversion on the openofficesite. 
yet: all together more promising than before when i was 'forced'  to use 
microsoft-word instead of - long, long ago - my beloved word-perfect. it 
would be nice if conversion vice versa to the WP 5.1 and 6.0 version  
could be realized  under openoffice.

steef





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Need Info About Debian Versions: [Was:: Some Info]

[Kent West]

Umar Draz wrote:

hi dear members
 
  i am new in Debian. and use woody. and alos new in debian-user list. 
i have seen lot of mails and i see about unstalbe, sid,
 
plz tell what is (unstable, sid) is it is SID a version of debian.
 
and what is the mean of unstalbe ,  stable
 
 is it unstable is a version of debian and
 is it stable version of debian




http://www.debian.org/releases/

stable is the officially released version. It's what you'd buy in the 
store if Debian were sold commercially.

testing is the next version to be released. It changes often, as new 
packages are added in, or bug fixes are made, or (unknown) bugs are 
added in, etc. This version has the advantage of having mostly new 
versions of software, and is fairly static (compared to unstable), and 
has mostly working packages. It has the disadvantage that if a buggy 
package does make it to testing, it tends to take a couple of weeks 
before a new one comes in to fix the package. This also makes security 
problems longer-lived for those running testing.

unstable is where the developers play. It changes very often, and tends 
to have lots of flux on a daily basis. You'll see more brokenness in 
packages here as opposed to testing, but that same brokenness usually 
gets fixed faster, as in hours or a few days as opposed to several weeks.

Most folks run stable on their servers, where reliability is of concern, 
and a lot of people run testing or unstable on their workstations where 
newer versions of software are of concern. I run unstable on all my 
workstations, and have only been seriously bit once (a PAM problem that 
caused the inability to log in, which meant it was difficult to fix the 
problem (since you couldn't log in to fix the problem)).

P.S. Since spam has become such a huge problem, a lot of people won't 
ever see an email with a subject like what you started out with because 
their spam filters will filter them out. And even without the spam 
issues, a lot of readers won't bother reading your posts if the subject 
is not informative. Thus I made the change.

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Re: Some Info

[dircha]

Umar Draz wrote:
i am new in Debian. and use woody. and alos new in debian-user list. 
> i have seen lot of mails and i see about unstalbe, sid,
 
plz tell what is (unstable, sid) is it is SID a version of debian.
 
and what is the mean of unstalbe ,  stable
 
 is it unstable is a version of debian and 
 is it stable version of debian
This should answer your questions:
http://www.debian.org/releases/
dircha

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Some Info

[Umar Draz]

hi dear members
 
  i am new in Debian. and use woody. and alos new in debian-user list. i have seen lot of mails and i see about unstalbe, sid,
 
plz tell what is (unstable, sid) is it is SID a version of debian.
 
and what is the mean of unstalbe ,  stable
 
 is it unstable is a version of debian and 
 is it stable version of debian
 
thanks
 
regards
 
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RE: dpkg "Unknwon error 990"

[Brancato, Mike]

ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openmcu.list: Unknown error 990
cat: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openmcu.list: Unknown error 990

Looks like I might have filesystem issues.   Xfs_check is showing a lot of
non-verbose output including a bad inode.  I'm going to try xfs_repair.

Thanks for helping me stumble on that.

Regards,

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From: Joey Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:12 AM
To: Brancato, Mike
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: dpkg "Unknwon error 990"

Brancato, Mike wrote:
> Everytime I try touse dpkg or apt which calls dpkg, I get an error.  Last
> time I ran an update/upgrade on this box was about 3 weeks go.  I'm
running
> unstable.
> 
> Here is some things I've tried..
> 
> 
> dvr:~# dpkg -r openmcu
> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing openmcu (--remove):
>  unable to open files list file for package `openmcu': Unknown error 990
What does /var/lib/dpkg/info/openmcu.list look like? Does it exist at
all? Can you cat the file and get a sensible list of files out of it?
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Re: Verry disapointing

[Kent West]

Bill wrote:

   I installed unstable a couple of months ago. I was verry impressed. 
About 2 weeks ago I used apt-get to update and upgrade, after I lost 
my lan and sound. Ok, it was unstable. I then attempted to download 
the sid package to reinstall. The disk I downloaded, wouldn't boot. I 
tried a different pc and re downloaded, same results.  I gave up on 
unstable and downloaded a disk to install testing. That disk wouldn't 
boot ether. I figured it might be my system so I used the origonal 
disk I used to install testing a couple of months ago and it work'd 
fine. I couldn't use unstable which was disapointing but I understand 
unstable is unstable. Tonight I wanted to update my installation 
because I havn't since I had installed it. after apt-get update and 
upgrade, not only have I lost my lan and sound again but kde is no 
longer an option when booting.
Any Ideas?


When you run into problems with Debian, you don't need to reinstall, 
like you needed to in the Windows world. (Having said that, it's 
sometimes easier to reinstall than to fix.)

IIRC, the unstable installer is broken, or it may be that your 
downloaded ISO is getting corrupted in the download (check against the 
md5 sums) or you're burning the ISOs as files instead of images. At any 
rate, you'd be better off to start with the new sarge installer instead 
of using an unstable installer, install just the base install, and from 
there upgrade to unstable.

Losing your LAN and sound almost certainly indicates a problem with 
modules, and/or an upgrade to a newer kernel. As a general rule, 
upgrades to newer kernels don't happen without the sysadmin specifically 
asking for kernel upgrades.

Run "lspci" to see what chipsets you have in your LAN card and in your 
soundcard. Armed with that info, you should be able to run "modprobe" to 
load the appropriate modules for those devices. There are other ways to 
do it, but using "modprobe" should prepare the system to load the 
modules automatically on future reboots.

After loading the sound module, your sound will probably start working. 
After loading the LAN module, you'll probably have to restart networking 
with "/etc/init.d/networking restart".

When you say that "kde is not longer an option when booting", what 
exactly do you mean? Are you logging in at a text console, or in a GUI 
login screen? Is this the way you've always done it? If a GUI login 
screen, which one (you may need to switch to a text console with 
Ctrl-Alt-F2, login, and run "ps ax | grep dm" to see if you see xdm, 
wdm, gdm, or kdm; Alt-F7 should get you back to the GUI login). When you 
login, does any X startup (via a GUI, or via "startx")? Do you have a 
drop-down option for other environments/window managers in the GUI 
login, such as icewm or blackbox or gnome?

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Re: dpkg "Unknwon error 990"

[Joey Hess]

Brancato, Mike wrote:
> Everytime I try touse dpkg or apt which calls dpkg, I get an error.  Last
> time I ran an update/upgrade on this box was about 3 weeks go.  I'm running
> unstable.
> 
> Here is some things I've tried..
> 
> 
> dvr:~# dpkg -r openmcu
> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing openmcu (--remove):
>  unable to open files list file for package `openmcu': Unknown error 990

What does /var/lib/dpkg/info/openmcu.list look like? Does it exist at
all? Can you cat the file and get a sensible list of files out of it?

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Re: How to do it

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-15, Freak Zilla penned:
> Hi there i downloaded some thing of the internet and it has come i tar
> format, what do i have to do to be able to burn it on to dvdr?  Due to
> it being this format i cant burn it straight off.
>
> Thanks Cya

On any unix-like system, there will be a tar command.  'man tar' to find
out how to use it.

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Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Paul]

> This certainly may have implications for computation intensive 
> applications. I don't think it would overly surprise anyone if it were 
> discovered that Sun's Linux JVM performs poorer than its Window's 
> counterpart. I'm sure such tests have already been performed in detail 
> elsewhere.
> 
> However, I agree that the test described above by itself can't really 
> tell us anything of interest.
> 
> Perhaps you should perform the test with multiple data sets (iterations) 
> to approximate the rate at which the performance gap will increase.
> 
> dircha

I use Tomcat quite a bit on Debian Testing, and would love to see some
comprehensive benchmarks.

It would be somewhat ironic if Suns Java VM were demonstrably quicker on
Windows that Linux (and Solaris?).  I'm saying this as I suspect Java's
purpose is/was to get developers writing platform agnostic software,
allowing other OS's to enter the market.  If there's a noticable
qualitative difference favoring the monopolist though...



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dpkg "Unknwon error 990"

[Brancato, Mike]

Everytime I try touse dpkg or apt which calls dpkg, I get an error.  Last
time I ran an update/upgrade on this box was about 3 weeks go.  I'm running
unstable.

Here is some things I've tried..


dvr:~# dpkg -r openmcu
(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing openmcu (--remove):
 unable to open files list file for package `openmcu': Unknown error 990
Errors were encountered while processing:
 openmcu
Processing was halted because there were too many errors.

dvr:~# dpkg -i openmcu_1.1.7+cvs04092003-1_i386.deb
Selecting previously deselected package openmcu.
(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing
openmcu_1.1.7+cvs04092003-1_i386.deb (--install):
 unable to open files list file for package `openmcu': Unknown error 990
Errors were encountered while processing:
 openmcu_1.1.7+cvs04092003-1_i386.deb
Processing was halted because there were too many errors.

dvr:~# dpkg --purge openmcu
(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing openmcu (--purge):
 unable to open files list file for package `openmcu': Unknown error 990
Errors were encountered while processing:
 openmcu
Processing was halted because there were too many errors.

dvr:~# apt-get -f remove amavisd-new
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  amavisd-new
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 108 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 758kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing amavisd-new (--remove):
 unable to open files list file for package `openmcu': Unknown error 990
Errors were encountered while processing:
 amavisd-new
Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

apt-get update works fine though...

Regards,

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Re: Verry disapointing

[Paul]

I'm using testing, and yesterday did an apt-get update then upgrade, and
subsequently lost both sound, network, and boot options.  I've fixed gdm
and gotten the network back, and sound is working kind of - though not
like before.

Upgrading GDM caused the login problem for me, but I wish I knew what
package(s) I 'upgraded' that caused the network and sound to tank, but I
don't.

On logging into KDE as an option;  are you using GDM?  A recent upgrade
changed the location of the Session files, or login options, from
/etc/gdm/Sesssions to /etc/dm/Sessions.  The files that go there are a
different format, from what I can tell, as well.

For gnome, which I use, the contents of the file (gnome.desktop) are:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Gnome
Comment=Log into Gnome
Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session
Icon=
Type=Application

I'm sure it's similiar for KDE, obviously the Exec line will have to
change though.

As to the network and Sound, both of those were loaded as kernel modules
by my system in the past, and for some reason the recent apt-get upgrade
removed them from the list.  lsmod will tell you what you have currently
loading, and modconf will let you change which modules to load.  

Knowing what hardware you have will help here, if you don't already.  To
get a clue myself I booted a knoppix cd I had lying here, and ran lsmod
on it to see what it was loading for sound.

HTH, Paul


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Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Katipo]

Andy Morris wrote:

Just been browsing and came across this dicussion, and thought i might 
be able to give some input.

I'm a software grad (well this summer) and use both linux(gentoo 
2.6.xxx cant remember specifically) and xp pro sp1 as home os's 
(games, dev etc) and when building a fairly small application i felt 
that it was taking too long to build my code using linux (approx 70 
secs).  So I logged into my windows and it did it in under 40 secs, 
quite a difference.

However, these two machines were of different spec

xp:2500xp(1.833mhz) barton 512cache,1gig ram, 7200 sata hdd (high 
spec)
linux:1900xp(1.6mhz)  thoroughbred 256cache, 1gig ram, 5400 ide hdd 
(fairly low spec)

I would accept a relatively small diff between the two machines (but a 
difference since one is more powerful) and since there were approx 150 
source files the hard drive reads could have caused a difference.

So what I had was a biased test result.

I don't know much technically, but I do have mobile racks, and in the 
days when I did have XP running I did my own comparisons.

Explorer in XP took over two minutes to come up with a particular URL, 
take out the rack, slip in another one, and Mozilla takes 13 and a half 
seconds, on the same URL.
Drives were both Maxtor 5400s, same Athlon 1GHz box.

There were other tests, but that is one that sticks in my mind.
I remember Linux taking slightly longer to load, but in everything else, 
it seemed to Excell, if you'll pardon the pun.
I have absolutely no idea what the figures are.
XP sits in a green box on the shelf now.
Regards,

David.

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Verry disapointing

[Bill]

   I installed unstable a couple of months ago. I was verry impressed. 
About 2 weeks ago I used apt-get to update and upgrade, after I lost my 
lan and sound. Ok, it was unstable. I then attempted to download the sid 
package to reinstall. The disk I downloaded, wouldn't boot. I tried a 
different pc and re downloaded, same results.  I gave up on unstable and 
downloaded a disk to install testing. That disk wouldn't boot ether. I 
figured it might be my system so I used the origonal disk I used to 
install testing a couple of months ago and it work'd fine. I couldn't 
use unstable which was disapointing but I understand unstable is 
unstable. Tonight I wanted to update my installation because I havn't 
since I had installed it. after apt-get update and upgrade, not only 
have I lost my lan and sound again but kde is no longer an option when 
booting.
Any Ideas?

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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[Kent West]

Matt Kirchhoff wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:21:11 -0500, Kent West wrote:

 

Chris Lowe wrote:

   

I am running debian base 3.0r0
 

assuming you're running sid at least

Since you're running Woody

Well, duh! I was paying close attention, huh?

Ignore me; I'm an idiot.

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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[Aurel]

Bill Moseley wrote:

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 07:15:31PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
 

make menuconfig
make-kpkg --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image
 

make-kpkg  --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image modules_image
   

Assuming there's something in /usr/src/modules, right?
Like pcmcia-cs?  Or is pcmcia-cs now in 2.6?
 

yep, otherwise no need to add modules_image

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Setting up ADSL USB modem

[jack kinnon]

Thanks Pigeon. The mistake was to set the ext2 selection to . I have upgraded to 2.4.18. Am working on the ADSL modem.
 
Has anyone got the Prolink Hurricane 8000 modem working under Debian? I had downloaded some stuff from Linux.ie "Linux ZyXel 630-11 Modem Setup". The stuff is supposed to work to the Hurricane 8000 too. I followed the instructions but  can't get pass step 5, "pre amedyn compilation", 'make' throw up a lot of errors.
 
Had anyone tried this before?
 
Cheers
 
 
 
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Re: VFS: Cannot open root device

[lebbatdot]

I am having somewhat the same problem mentioned in this trail.  The bin
2.6.3 deb works fine (etcept for alsa which is what started the whole
thing)
When I recompile I cannot get the root file system to come up.
I copied over the /boot/config file, ran make config, checked that ext3
is compiles in, I cannot find the msdos meentioed below, where is it in
the setup menu?

Is the /boot/ config-2.6.3-1-386 the file that is used to build the bin
file?
Where is the msdos config option?
I ran an sdiff between my compiled configs and the one above,
interestingly enough I do not believe the one above would even work


Thanks in advance
Brian


* Derrick 'dman' Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 11:31:32AM +0200, Markus Lindström wrote:
> | Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> | >
> | >Don't forget to include "PC BIOS (MSDOS partition tables) support"
> | >(CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION) in the kernel's configuration.  If you leave
> | >it out, then the kernel can't read the partition table and thus can't
> | >find the filesystem.
> | 
> | GREAT! That was the missing link! It boots without problems now ;-)!
> | Just a silly question though... How could the kernel start initializing 
> | stuff on the disk if it couldn't read the partition table to begin with? 
> | I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
> 
> The IDE controller comes first.  The kernel uses the disk controller
> drivers it has available to try to detect and begin communicating with
> the disk controller.  This has to happen before the kernel can get
> anything (ie the partition table) from the disk.  Next the kernel
> reads the partition table and tries to interpret it.  If the partition
> table support is missing, then at that point the kernel will panic.
> After reading the partition table, the kernel proceeds with reading
> the filesystem.  (if support for the filesystem on that partition is
> missing the kernel panics at this point)
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[Bill Moseley]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 07:15:31PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> > make menuconfig
> > make-kpkg --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image
> 
> make-kpkg  --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image modules_image

Assuming there's something in /usr/src/modules, right?
Like pcmcia-cs?  Or is pcmcia-cs now in 2.6?

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Re: Error (info@electromedia-intl.com)

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Terminal xterm and Bindings

[Rieker Flaik]

Hi,

I'm trying to realize some adaptations to my Linuxbox, inter alia on xterm.
To use it in the most efficient way, in my opinion, it would be great to
bind/rebind some keyfunctions.

But I failed to make it work - for example: bind Super_L+U to Scroll back

I red the manpage, edited my ~/.Xresources and tried unsuccessful all this
adjustments:

XTerm*translations: Super_Lu:scroll-back(1,halfpage)
XTerm*translations: Super_L~F3:scroll-back(1,halfpage)
XTerm*translations: F3:scroll-back(1,halfpage)

The terminal then gets locked, e.g. when I press x,y,z or any other key -
nothing is displayed in xterm. Why?

What do I have to write into .Xrescources to bind Super_L+U to Scroll-back ?

I hope someone out there can help me solving this problem.

regards

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Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[Uwe Dippel]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:20:53 +0200, steef wrote:

> welli loaded up the dutch version of openoffice 1.1.0. last 
> spell-checker (dutch, 9/4/2004) does not work: 

Well, funny, I tried the same and was astonished that there is no
myspell-nl !!??

There is gaelic and latvian; but no 'nl'. Another problem or a bug ?

I followed Ralph's advice, btw., here and it gets me started.

Remembered faintly that I once (on another machine)
downloaded a 15 MB or so .zip containing all dictionaries; had made some
manual changes and - voilà - everything had been fine. 
Including onze geliefde taal.

As far as I remember, that had *not* been Debian and since I didn't find
that alternative (getting old, couldn't remember), I decided to "go the
debian way" in this case.

Maybe I made a mistake, though ?




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Kde 3 with woody

[Tomy Alarie]

I always hear about using kde 3 with unstable and experimental debian 
versions. Is it possible to install kde 3 with Woody ? Can someone tell me 
detailed steps ?

Thanks
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Re: ALSA problems sarge 2.4.25 (trying 2.6.3 compile

[Colin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well
I will try this, however this is the bin package, and I don't think it
is loading alsa modules?
As well, in alsaconfig what does the following do
 Configuring snd-ens1370.
Do you want to mod /etc/modprobe.d/sound? 

I answered yes

and I am still getting

Starting ALSA (version 1.0.2c): ens1370.
Restoring ALSA mixer settings ... failed:
   You may want to run 'alsactl restore' manually to view any
   errors.
   Setting default volume
The ALSA modules are loading.  It's now just a matter of turning on the 
audio sources you want and setting the volume levels with the mixer.  When 
you shut down and start up again, you shouldn't see this error message again.

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Cleanly applying 3rd party patches to a make-kpkg kernel build

[Ryan Gustafson]

Greetings!

I've been doing regular sarge kernel builds (w/ debian kernel-source that 
already has debian patches applied) with 'make-kpkg', in which I need to 
apply some additional 3rd party patches.  My goal is to be able to have 
instructions others can follow for creating a custom kernel which requires 
only the use of standard debian commands without having to place the patch 
files anywhere but in your home directory and not contaminate a pristine 
debian installation with messy customizations.

I combed the 'make-kpkg' man pages, and looked at the scripts (and a 
makefile if I recall correctly) which make this great tool work.  I was 
unable to find an option that would allow me to apply 3rd party patches.  I 
fact, it seems to only want to grab patches from under 
/usr/src/kernel-patches/ and they must be in 'apply/' and 'unpatch/' 
directories using the style outlined in the documentation.  If I understand 
correctly this is where various official debian kernel patch install 
themselves.

Did I miss an option that would let 'make-kpkg' apply arbitrary patch(es) 
via 'patch' and some user supplied options and unpatch with 'patch -R' and 
some user supplied options?

My solution to date is to add executable scripts into 
/usr/src/kernel-patches/all/x.x.x/{apply|unpatch} that would handle these 
custom patches when 'make-kpkg' was building.  But I'm not particular fond 
of that approach, as I'm dirtying up directories "owned" by other installed 
packages.

If however this is the only intended mechanism for applying custom patches 
via 'make-kpkg', I'm cool with taking the time to learn how to create custom 
.deb packages for these patches so they install themselves in the proper 
location and can be just as easily removed.

Any words of wisdom?

Ryan Gustafson

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How to do it

[Freak Zilla]

Hi there
i downloaded some thing of the internet and it has come i tar format, what 
do i have to do to be able to burn it on to dvdr?
Due to it being this format i cant burn it straight off.

Thanks Cya

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Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[dircha]

Mark Roach wrote:
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 00:13 +0100, Andy Morris wrote:
... i made a simple program to count from 0 
to a parameter x number of times, test data was to count 0-9 100 
times. XP box did it in 3mins 10 secs, linux 5 mins 4 secs ( i did this 
numerous times and results were always v similar). 
Well, now you know that if you want to do something (pointless) like
that as quickly as possible, then you should use windows :-)
This certainly may have implications for computation intensive 
applications. I don't think it would overly surprise anyone if it were 
discovered that Sun's Linux JVM performs poorer than its Window's 
counterpart. I'm sure such tests have already been performed in detail 
elsewhere.

However, I agree that the test described above by itself can't really 
tell us anything of interest.

Perhaps you should perform the test with multiple data sets (iterations) 
to approximate the rate at which the performance gap will increase.

dircha

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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Aurel:
> Hi Kris,
> 
> First if you recompile your kernel, you can choose a 2.6.5 (why a
> 2.6.3?! weird). Anyway, it's the same.
> As Kent say you can see available versions with apt-cache search
> kernel-image.
> 
> Then, do  'apt-get install kernel-package' to install some tools you'll
> need to compile your new kernel using the Debian way (simplier).
> 
> go to /usr/src and unpack kernel sources.
> 
> cd your_source_directory (usually just linux)
> 
> make menuconfig
> make-kpkg --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image

make-kpkg  --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image modules_image

> take a break.
> 
> cd ..
> dpkg -i kernel-image*

and dpkg -i modules-image*

> run lilo -v (just to be sure)
> 
> reboot


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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[Matt Kirchhoff]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:21:11 -0500, Kent West wrote:

> Chris Lowe wrote:
> 
>> I am running debian base 3.0r0 and I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3. 
>> I would like to use menuconfig to build the kernel.  I am new to 
>> debian and have never compiled my own kernel before. What tools will I 
>> need to install/update before I can build the kernel?
>>
> 
> If you're just wanting to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3, there's no need to 
> recompile (assuming you're running sid at least, and maybe earlier 
> versions). Just
> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.3-686
> (assuming a Pentium Pro or newer). You can see other available kernel 
> versions with
> apt-cache search kernel-image
> 
> If you're really asking about compiling a kernel, it's been too long 
> since I've done so, so I'll let others address that.

Since you're running Woody, you'll need to find a backported kernel-image
for 2.6. Try searching www.backports.org (and look through the list
archives in recent weeks; there's been lots of discussion thus).

As for custom compilation, see the following:
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[Aurel]

Hi Kris,

First if you recompile your kernel, you can choose a 2.6.5 (why a
2.6.3?! weird). Anyway, it's the same.
As Kent say you can see available versions with apt-cache search
kernel-image.
Then, do  'apt-get install kernel-package' to install some tools you'll
need to compile your new kernel using the Debian way (simplier).
go to /usr/src and unpack kernel sources.

cd your_source_directory (usually just linux)

make menuconfig
make-kpkg --revision=MyKernel.1 kernel_image
take a break.

cd ..
dpkg -i kernel-image*
run lilo -v (just to be sure)

reboot

go to: http://www.digitalhermit.com/~kwan/kernel.html to read the kernel
HowTo (you can also do that in first!)
Aurel

Kent West wrote:

Chris Lowe wrote:

I am running debian base 3.0r0 and I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3. 
I would like to use menuconfig to build the kernel.  I am new to 
debian and have never compiled my own kernel before. What tools will 
I need to install/update before I can build the kernel?

If you're just wanting to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3, there's no need to 
recompile (assuming you're running sid at least, and maybe earlier 
versions). Just
   apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.3-686
(assuming a Pentium Pro or newer). You can see other available kernel 
versions with
   apt-cache search kernel-image

If you're really asking about compiling a kernel, it's been too long 
since I've done so, so I'll let others address that.



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Re: Graphics card

[Roberto Sanchez]

Charles Rodgers wrote:
Can someone recommend a currently available 64Mb graphics card that
they know to be reliably compatible with Kernal 2.4.18. ??
The Debian hardware compatibility list does not address the issue of
Kernal version.
Your answer will be gratefully appreciated.
TIA - Charles
The real issue is the version of XFree86 you will be running.
For example, the Radeon 7000/8000 series are well supported
by XFree86 4.2 and the later versions of 2.4.  I am not sure
if the support for those Radeons goes all the way back to
2.4.18, but it is trivial to get a newer kernel from Sid or
Sarge, or even roll your own.
-Roberto Sanchez


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Re: upgrade debian kernal

[Kent West]

Chris Lowe wrote:

I am running debian base 3.0r0 and I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3. 
I would like to use menuconfig to build the kernel.  I am new to 
debian and have never compiled my own kernel before. What tools will I 
need to install/update before I can build the kernel?

If you're just wanting to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3, there's no need to 
recompile (assuming you're running sid at least, and maybe earlier 
versions). Just
   apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.3-686
(assuming a Pentium Pro or newer). You can see other available kernel 
versions with
   apt-cache search kernel-image

If you're really asking about compiling a kernel, it's been too long 
since I've done so, so I'll let others address that.

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Re: testing PPP connection

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Phil wrote:
I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD 
compression messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem 
to be functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the 
the data necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.

How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??


Browsers "don't work" means you get a message as to what?
what does /etc/resolv.conf have in it?
Hugo

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upgrade debian kernal

[Chris Lowe]

I am running debian base 3.0r0 and
I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.3. I would like to use menuconfig
to build the kernel.  I am new to debian and have never compiled my own kernel before. What
tools will I need to install/update before I can build the kernel?

 

Thanks 

Chris Lowe

 

Re: color names not defined?

[Michael Salem]

I fixed the problem and just wanted to let anybody out there having the 
same issue what I did...

In my XFConfig-4 file I had defined the "RgbPath". Although this was the 
correct path, removing this line fixed the problem.

A. Michael Salem wrote:
Hi,

I am having a problem with color names not being defined. Here is an 
example:

 >xterm -bg black
Warning: Color name "black" is not defined
I do have the file /usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt with "black" defined.
And when i run >showrgb it prints color values...
Any idea whats going on?

Thanks,
Michael



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Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Mark Roach]

On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 00:13 +0100, Andy Morris wrote:

> ... i made a simple program to count from 0 
> to a parameter x number of times, test data was to count 0-9 100 
> times. XP box did it in 3mins 10 secs, linux 5 mins 4 secs ( i did this 
> numerous times and results were always v similar). 

Well, now you know that if you want to do something (pointless) like
that as quickly as possible, then you should use windows :-)

-Mark


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Re: testing PPP connection

[Phil]

At 01:21 PM 4/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
Incoming from Phil:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD 
compression
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
>
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??
ifconfig shows the PPP0 interface but I can't ping anything!!
someone on this list said to use pppstatus to check the connection but I 
have no such command on my machine.

any ideas??

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Re: Anyone used Backports.org to upgrade a woody to 2.6?

[Mark Roach]

On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 14:36 -0700, Bill Moseley wrote:

> Anyone have success using those packages to update a Woody box?

Working great for my main mail/web server, and a postgres server at
work.

> Any notes?  Did you add backports to source.list or download the .deb
> and use dpkg -i for the modules and kernel?

I added the source.

> I have xfs file systems so I guess I'd need to use initrd since XFS is
> included as a module -- is there any additional setup required?

Shouldn't be anything special needed. The stock kernels are initrd
kernels. It should Just Work.

-Mark


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Re: Debian XFree86 "-nolisten tcp"

[Xavier Andrade]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I run a cluster of machines w/ only one display; I need to run lots of
> remote X apps. For performance, I think I need the X server listening
> on a TCP port - but Debian makes a big deal about the security
> implications. Have I any options besides A) using SSH, B) removing the
> "-nolisten tcp" option, (or C) avoiding remote X apps)?
>
In my experience, running remote applications over compressed ssh is much
faster than using a tcp port (and safer) and cpu utilization is very low.

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Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Andy Morris]

Just been browsing and came across this dicussion, and thought i might be 
able to give some input.

I'm a software grad (well this summer) and use both linux(gentoo 2.6.xxx 
cant remember specifically) and xp pro sp1 as home os's (games, dev etc) and 
when building a fairly small application i felt that it was taking too long 
to build my code using linux (approx 70 secs).  So I logged into my windows 
and it did it in under 40 secs, quite a difference.

However, these two machines were of different spec

xp:2500xp(1.833mhz) barton 512cache,1gig ram, 7200 sata hdd (high spec)
linux:1900xp(1.6mhz)  thoroughbred 256cache, 1gig ram, 5400 ide hdd (fairly 
low spec)

I would accept a relatively small diff between the two machines (but a 
difference since one is more powerful) and since there were approx 150 
source files the hard drive reads could have caused a difference.

So what I had was a biased test result.

My first thoughts would be to write a tiny application that would not use 
the harddrive and compare again,  so i made a simple program to count from 0 
to a parameter x number of times, test data was to count 0-9 100 
times. XP box did it in 3mins 10 secs, linux 5 mins 4 secs ( i did this 
numerous times and results were always v similar). Again big difference, so 
it definetely wasn't the harddrive's access time etc.  So the only way I was 
going to find out was to install Linux on my xp box and dual boot it (which 
I did).

So XP and Gentoo Linux on the same box, and xp still beats it hands down (it 
only improved by around 30 secs), which really dissapointed me.  It makes me 
want to use my xp box for more stuff than previously, which i had been 
trying not since i like using kde over the Windows desktop

Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier is that the app was written in 
Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's blackdown since it's too 
buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform implementation of the 
VM (if you don't know about java basically when code runs there is a 
middleman between the code running and the OS (the Java Virtual Machine).  
It is possible that the jdk does not work as well on Linux but this is what 
I use and so do millions of others, and therefore it's can be a v good 
benchmark.  I will shortly if i get some time repeat the tests in C++ to 
remove this factor (it interfaces directly with the OS since it's compiled 
into native binaries) and if any1 does care for the result then let me know.

Now if you think my benchmark is totally unsafe/inaccurate as a means for 
benchmarking then feel free to state so, but compiling and running java code 
is something I do frequently, and Linux can't seem to do it as quickly as 
XP.

Just to sum up my findings, from my testing XP seems to run simple 
sequential cpu tasks not much less than twice the speed of Linux.

My afterthoughts about the two OS's is that if I ran multiple threads of my 
test (say 500) that my XP box would flake out and linux would handle it much 
better, perhaps when i go away for the wkend next i'll do that but right now 
iv got far too much work to do on them (final yr proj).

Hope this helped any1,

-andy

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Re: nfsd not running?

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
> Hello, I am trying to bring up the nfs server. 
>
> When I try to mount 
>
> mount -t nfs 192.168.0.200:/home/folder /mnt
>
> the computure says. 
>
> mount: RPC: Progam not registered
>
> I have /etc/hosts.allow
>
> ALL:192.168.0.0/255  
> ALL:192.168.0.198
>
>
> /etc/hosts.deny is unconfigured. Nothing written.
>
> I have /etc/exports 
>
> /home/folder 192.168.0.0/255(rw)
> /home/folder 192.168.0.198(rw)
>
> I don't seem to have the nfs sever up and running
>
> there is /proc/fs/nfs/ folder but no file?
>
> I have nfscommon and the kernel-nfs something. 
>
> But but but. 
>
> What do I do wrong? 

Do you have NFS support enabled in your kernel?

To use the kernel nfs server package, you must also have NFS support
compiled into the kernel.

>
> Best 
>
> Ingirafn 
>
>


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Re: apt-get upgrade == no eth0/sound for nforce2

[Paul]

On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 13:59, paul wrote:
> I've since found that before the apg-get upgrade my machine was loading
> 23 modules, but now is just loading 19.  One of those not being loaded
> is hotplug, which I thought it was before.  Could this one module be
> responsible for loading the ethernet and sound?
> 
> modconf shows four drivers for hotplug, any idea which is most appropriate? 
> 
> I'm still not sure what I upgraded yesterday (if in fact that was it)
> that would cause this... 
> 
> Thanks again,  Paul

It's fixed.  I found the four modules that were no longer being loaded,
though I have no idea what the cause of this whole thing was in the
first place.  Those modules for future reference: pci_hotplug, forcedeth
(in /net), ac97_codec, and i810_audio.


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Re: Debian XFree86 "-nolisten tcp"

[Roberto Sanchez]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I run a cluster of machines w/ only one display; I need to run lots of 
remote X apps. For performance, I think I need the X server listening on 
a TCP port - but Debian makes a big deal about the security 
implications. Have I any options besides A) using SSH, B) removing the 
"-nolisten tcp" option, (or C) avoiding remote X apps)?

Must I actually remove "-nolisten tcp" from "/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc" 
and "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers", or is there a "/etc/default" or dpkg switch 
I missed somewhere?

# - SECURITY NOTE: Always pass the "-nolisten tcp" option to the X
#   server, as shown in the examples below, unless you know you
#   need the X server listening on a TCP port.  Omitting this
#   option can expose your X server to attacks from remote hosts.
#   Note also that SSH's X11 port-forwarding option works even with
#   X servers that do not listen on a TCP port, so you do not need
#   to remove the "-nolisten tcp" option for SSH's benefit.
Thanks!

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Re: md5sum mismatch while upgrading mplayer-386

[David]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:15:40PM -0400, H. S. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was trying to update my Debian Sarge machine and apt-get said 
> mplayer-386 was kept back. When I try to install it, it says there was a 
> md5mismatch:
 
> Anybody else facing this problem? That md5sum mismatch worried, hence 
> this report.

Yes, I noticed the same thing.  I use aptitude and it wouldn't move it
from /var/cache/apt/archives/partial, and left it there with some
extension.

I checked the md5sum of that file with that given by apt-cache show and
sure enough, they didn't match.

I'm sure a fix will be out soon.  I wondered if the host server for
mplayer had been cracked.


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Re: Cron output logging

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 05:36:20PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote:
> I've been away, but just before I went I guessed a solution.  In
> /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.workstation there is a series of files with names
> of programs containing not very informative contents.  I guessed these
> might be expressions for matching, and created a file called cron that
> contained the line
> 
> *CRON*
> 
> on the basis that all the output I wanted to suppress contained "CRON"

Yep, you've got the basic idea.  But drop the *s.  Both because
logcheck looks for the patterns anywhere within the log lines and
because it uses regexes (regular expressions), not shell globs.  In a
regex, * means "0 or more of whatever precedes the *", so "*CRON*"
will also match "CRO", as that has 0 or more "N"s at the end.

I have an /etc/logcheck/ignore.d/cron on the machine I'm currently
sitting at, which contains the following:

CRON.*CMD
cron.*CMD
cron.*RELOAD
cron.*STARTUP

That might be a good place to start.

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Re: Crontab last days of the month..

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:35:13PM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> if [ $(date -d tomorrow '+%m') -ne $(date '+%m') ]
> then
>   echo 'today is the last day of the month'
> fi

[ $(date -d tomorrow '+%d') -eq 1 ] && echo 'last of the month'

This can also be done directly in your crontab:

[ $(date -d tomorrow '+%d') -eq 1 ] && /path/to/executable

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Re: kernel 2.6.4 thourh make-kpkg

[Roberto Sanchez]

Umar Draz wrote:
hi dear members

  i have new in debian. but have a experience of
FreeBSD, Redhat, Solaris.
 now 3 days ago i have recompile kernel 2.6.4 in
debian through source. and its working fine.
but now i want kernel recompile again 2.6.4 but with
debian make-kpkg.
plz help me step by step what kind of files require
for debian way kernel compile
thanks and regards

umar draz
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

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udev: hotplug vs manual

[Allan Wind]

I just upgraded to 2.6.5 and have little trouble understanding when
hotplug takes care of things and when you should be adding modules to
/etc/modules yourself.

For instance, parport and partport_pc were automatically loaded, but lp
was not.  8250 (serial port) was not loaded, but I think serial_core
was.


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Re: Dynamically increase/reduce hardware raid partition?

[Allan Wind]

On 2004-04-14T22:24:00+1000, Michael Bellears wrote:
> I also came across LVM (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html)
> - Can anyone comment on the effectiveness/stability and if it would be
> appropriate to my situation?..It certainly looks interesting.

Installed LVM on my work-station years ago to allow my paritions to grow
as needed, but I have not had to use that feature.  LVM has been rock
stable otherwise.  I hit a small problem in the boot scripts (already
fixed, I think), otherwise the upgrade from lvm1 to 2 just worked.

If you look at LVM, then you should also take a look at the MD and EVMS
as well, but I am not sure that these make that much sense when you have
a raid controller already.

LVM and EVMS support snapshots which is an interesting (partial) backups
solution.


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Re: branding debian releases

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:22:06 -0400 (EDT)
Thomas Pomber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actually, I think Monique is incorrect for once. 
> Unstable is less stable than testing.

If by "less stable", you mean "less changing in its contents in time,"
then that's true.

But if by "less stable", you mean "less likely to have problems that
could cause you to pull your hair out . . .right now that's true,
because sarge is close to release.  In general, it ain't necessarily
so.  KDE was uninstallable out of testing for *months* this past year.
And a simple archive search will find you lots of people last year
making frustrated posts to debian-user because an apt-get upgrade had
broken GNOME (a new version was coming down into testing, and it wasn't
yet complete there); the breakage didn't get fixed for quite a while.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200307/msg00531.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200307/msg00615.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200307/msg00693.html

And it's very well documented that testing is the last distro
to receive security updates.

This thread got started because people were frustrated about having
to explain stable vs. testing vs. unstable to new users trying
Debian.  But it appears to me that a lot of people with strong
ideas on how to fix that don't understand the differences themselves.

The web page http://www.debian.org/devel/testing explains what testing
is.  It isn't what many people in this thread seem to be suggesting.

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Re: testing PPP connection

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Phil:
> At 01:21 PM 4/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
> >Incoming from Phil:
> >> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD 
> >compression
> >> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be
> >> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data
> >> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
> 
> >ping -c 2 64.233.167.104
> >ping -c 2 www.google.com
> >
> >If the latter says something like "unknown host" or "cannot resolve
> >www.google.com", you've a dns problem.  What's in /etc/resolv.conf?
> >
> >If neither of them say anything intelligible, then you haven't actually
> >created a connection.
> 
> Neither ping works.  the ip address returns 0 packets received,   100% loss
> the google ping returns nothing needed to "ctrl C" to break out
> resolv.conf contains ip addresses I do not recognize.  should I put in the 
> primary and secondary DNS numbers for my provider?

Yes, but I'd also insert "-v" in the chatscript line in
/etc/ppp/peers/provider so it reads:

  connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f -v /etc/chatscripts/provider"

That will make chat go "verbose" and you'll be able to see from the
log exactly what's happening.  Take a look at /etc/chatscripts/provider
too and ensure it makes sense.


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Re: branding debian releases

[Thomas Pomber]

Actually, I think Monique is incorrect for once. 
Unstable is less stable than testing.   But it's the
only way to go, in my humble opinion. 

--- Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On
14 Apr 2004, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > 
> [snip] 
> 
> > My understanding of the 'testing' distribution is
> in conflict with your
> > description.  Testing is the last to receive
> security updates, and I
> > believe it is more prone to wide-ranging package
> bugs than is unstable.
> > I see it more as a developer sandbox than a live
> distribution.
> > 
> > Am I wrong?
> > 
> 
> I don't know, but I hope so! :)
> 
> I have to admit to keeping up to date with testing
> for well over a year,
> but lacking the courage to make more than occasional
> forays into
> unstable. But if you are right, perhaps I ought to
> change my policy.
> 
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Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:23:48PM +0100, Andy Morris wrote:
> Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier is that the app was
> written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's blackdown
> since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform
> implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when
> code runs there is a middleman between the code running and the OS
> (the Java Virtual Machine).  It is possible that the jdk does not work
> as well on Linux but this is what I use and so do millions of others,
> and therefore it's can be a v good benchmark.  I will shortly if i get
> some time repeat the tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces
> directly with the OS since it's compiled into native binaries) and if
> any1 does care for the result then let me know.

I think it's very likely that at least some of the Java implementations
available for Linux suck performance-wise compared to Windows. Java's
quite a poor development platform on Linux; it doesn't help that the Sun
JDK is non-free so people generally can't hack on it, and the free JVMs
have only started to receive attention relatively recently.

I'm afraid I wouldn't regard a Java benchmark as a remotely fair
assessment of any difference between Linux and XP in themselves, whether
or not millions of people use it. I also don't think that counting is a
very interesting benchmark really. :)

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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Matt!

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 07:38:12PM +, Matt Kirchhoff wrote:
> The `apt-listbugs` package is useful in this case too, as it will list current 
> bugs when running `apt-get upgrade`, for example.

And while we are at it, apt-listchanges might prove convenient, too,
as well as rc-alert from devscripts, and reportbug, and brain, and...
:)

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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Ralph!

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:33:54AM -0400, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
> Thanks. I found it there, at:
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=243512

There are other bugs having similar effects, so it might not be this
particular one.
BTW 0.76-19 installed just fine a few minutes ago. It was already in
incoming.debian.org when I first replied and now made it to Sid.

> BTW How do I find out if it's been fixed/closed?**

Hrm, not sure what you mean here. Normally bugs are fixed / resolved
when they are _marked_ fixed / resolved, scroll a little bit further
down on http://bugs.debian.org/libpam to see some examples.
See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ as a starting point for further
exploration of the marvels of Debian's BTS... ;)

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Re: Latest kernel security upgrade in woody is BROKEN! DO NOT INSTALL!

[Pete Clarke]

> kernel packages named kernel-image-2.4.18-1- with version
2.4.18-13 contain only
> one module.

That and it expects the modules at 2.4.18-1 instead of 2.4.18-1-686-smp!

> hoping this warning is timely and not _too_ redundant,

:-)
Found out the hard way  there is a 13.1 now tho' ...



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Re: Crontab last days of the month..

[N. Thomas]

* s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-04-14 09:58:38 -0600]:
> Another way is to run it every day, but have the script figure out if
> it's the last day of the month, and exit if not.

Or even better: run it on the 28th-31st day of each calendar month and
then have the script figure out if it's the last day. (Days 1-27 will
never be last day of the month.)

But, depending on what the OP needed it for, a minute or two after the
midnight on the first of the month might also work.

Thomas

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Re: branding debian releases

[Brad Sims]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 4:29 am, Will Trillich wrote:

> here i brainstorm to conjure up some naming scheme possibilities
> (referring to current status as of 13 apr 2004):
> 
>   sid -- alternatives to "UNSTABLE":
>   -   "UNKNOWN"
>   -   "DANGEROUS"
>   -   "CAVORT"
>   -   "UNCERTAIN"
>   -   "BEWARE"
> 
>   sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":
>   -   "SOON"
>   -   "NEARLY"
>   -   "UPCOMING"
>   -   "ALMOST"
>   -   "NOT YET"
> 
>   woody -- alternatives to "STABLE":
>   -   "SOLID"
>   -   "DEPENDABLE"
>   -   "READY"
>   -   "SERIOUS"
>   -   "STABLE" (heck, what could be more precise? :)
> 
> think of names that might help the debian-uninitiated grok a tad
> more quickly the functionality and dependability of the release.

I use the following names on IRC:

Debian Broken (unstable)
Debian Old (Testing)
Debian Stale (Stable)


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Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Kent West]

Andy Morris wrote:

So XP and Gentoo Linux on the same box, and xp still beats it hands 
down (it only improved by around 30 secs), which really dissapointed 
me.  It makes me want to use my xp box for more stuff than previously, 
which i had been trying not since i like using kde over the Windows 
desktop
 
Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier is that the app was 
written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's blackdown 
since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform 
implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when 
code runs there is a middleman between the code running and the OS 
(the Java Virtual Machine).  It is possible that the jdk does not work 
as well on Linux but this is what I use and so do millions of others, 
and therefore it's can be a v good benchmark.  I will shortly if i get 
some time repeat the tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces 
directly with the OS since it's compiled into native binaries) and if 
any1 does care for the result then let me know.
I for one am definitely interested in hearing the results.

I suspect that different type functions will result in different results 
however. For example, something involving network access might be just 
the reverse.

If your test app is not GUI-dependent, what happens if you shut down X 
and all the extraneous daemons, etc, and then run the program on Linux? 
In other words, there may be more processes on the Linux box that 
prevent your app from having as big a slice of processor time as it has 
on the Windows box. (I'm just wondering here, not trying to defend Linux.)

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Latest kernel security upgrade in woody is BROKEN! DO NOT INSTALL!

[Kevin B. McCarty]

Dear all,
It seems that at least on ix86, the latest woody security updates for 
the kernel packages are completely broken.  The kernel packages named 
kernel-image-2.4.18-1- with version 2.4.18-13 contain only 
one module.  DO NOT upgrade to these packages or your system will be 
broken when you reboot.

hoping this warning is timely and not _too_ redundant,

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Anyone used Backports.org to upgrade a woody to 2.6?

[Bill Moseley]

I see that there's both module-init-tools and a kernel-image-2.6.5
(kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7_2.6.5-0.backports.org.1_i386.deb)
available.

Anyone have success using those packages to update a Woody box?  One is 
an Athlon XP 1800+, which I assume is should use the
k7 kernel.  I also have a P4 and a PIII.

Any notes?  Did you add backports to source.list or download the .deb
and use dpkg -i for the modules and kernel?

I have xfs file systems so I guess I'd need to use initrd since XFS is
included as a module -- is there any additional setup required?

I normally build the kernels, but would really like to start using
kernel-image packages to make upgrading easier.


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Re: reportbug locale complaints

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:09:29 -0700
Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Recently, I've been getting warnings about my locale when I start
> reportbug:
> *** Warning: unsupported locale setting
> [the preceding appears at the very top.  Somewhat later I see..]
> *** The following debconf settings were detected:
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
> LANGUAGE = (unset),
> LC_ALL = (unset),
> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
> are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
> directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or
> directory
> 
> I think these started appearing when I upgraded to XFree86 4.3, which
> was also coincident with reportbug starting to use uxterm (I think it
> was using xterm before, though perhaps it's just a labelling change).
> 
> My guess is I need to tweak some of my settings, but I don't really
> understand this.  Can anyone clue me in?

You might wanna search the archives of this mailing list for
"locales".

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Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Andy Morris]

Just been browsing and came across this dicussion, 
and thought i might be able to give some input.
 
I'm a software grad (well this summer) and use 
both linux(gentoo 2.6.xxx cant remember specifically) and xp pro sp1 as home 
os's (games, dev etc) and when building a fairly small application i felt that 
it was taking too long to build my code using linux (approx 70 secs).  So I 
logged into my windows and it did it in under 40 secs, quite a 
difference.
 
However, these two machines were of different 
spec
 
xp:    2500xp(1.833mhz) barton 
512cache,1gig ram, 7200 sata hdd (high spec)
linux:1900xp(1.6mhz)  thoroughbred 256cache, 
1gig ram, 5400 ide hdd (fairly low spec)
 
I would accept a relatively small diff between the 
two machines (but a difference since one is more powerful) and since there were 
approx 150 source files the hard drive reads could have caused a 
difference.
 
So what I had was a biased test 
result.
 
My first thoughts would be to write a tiny 
application that would not use the harddrive and compare again,  so i made 
a simple program to count from 0 to a parameter x number of times, test data was 
to count 0-9 100 times. XP box did it in 3mins 10 secs, linux 5 mins 4 
secs ( i did this numerous times and results were always v similar). Again big 
difference, so it definetely wasn't the harddrive's access time etc.  So 
the only way I was going to find out was to install Linux on my xp box and dual 
boot it (which I did).
 
So XP and Gentoo Linux on the same box, and xp 
still beats it hands down (it only improved by around 30 secs), which really 
dissapointed me.  It makes me want to use my xp box for more stuff than 
previously, which i had been trying not since i like using kde over the Windows 
desktop
 
Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier 
is that the app was written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's 
blackdown since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform 
implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when code runs 
there is a middleman between the code running and the OS (the Java Virtual 
Machine).  It is possible that the jdk does not work as well on Linux but 
this is what I use and so do millions of others, and therefore it's can 
be a v good benchmark.  I will shortly if i get some time repeat the 
tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces directly with the OS since 
it's compiled into native binaries) and if any1 does care for the result then 
let me know.
 
Now if you think my benchmark is totally 
unsafe/inaccurate as a means for benchmarking then feel free to state so, but 
compiling and running java code is something I do frequently, and Linux can't 
seem to do it as quickly as XP.
 
Just to some up my findings, XP runs simple 
sequential cpu tasks not much less than twice the speed of Linux.
 
My afterthoughts about the two OS's is that if I 
ran multiple threads of my test (say 500) that my XP box would flake out and 
linux would handle it much better, perhaps when i go away for the wkend next 
i'll do that but right now iv got far too much work to do on them (final yr 
proj).
 
Hope this helped any1,
 
-andy

Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[steef]

Uwe Dippel wrote:

FYI.

Did the usual update / upgrade. When starting, the 'reading script' dialog
came up and I smelled trouble. I could still select 'upgrade from 1.0.3'
or 'new' and clicked 'upgrade ...'.
But, alas, everything gone and I had to enter name, etc. blabla once again.
There is no export to Flash any longer, as well.

The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
worked with 1.1.0).
All in all: Not too good.
If it's again only, me; I'll manage. If I'm not the only one, though, I'd
better file a bug report.
What do the others experience ?

 

welli loaded up the dutch version of openoffice 1.1.0. last 
spell-checker (dutch, 9/4/2004) does not work: seems to have no 
wordlist. costed me hours to find out that this part did not work 
properly. rather annoying: i am a journalist publicist and really need 
those files in working order. a friend of mine called openoffice the 
worst invention since skippy: i do not agree with him for the last 
versions. before i had regular some unforeseen trouble with writing. as 
i said; in 1.1.0. it is somewhat better.

1.1.1 (english version), community-made together with sun, works fine so 
far. after i decided, frustrated, to get rid of the dutch 1.1.0 version. 
same problem in 1.1.1 with the dutch spellcheker as in the dutch 
version. so i loaded 'at the end of my patience' up from a cdrom an 
older, perfect version. annoying as well is the absence in 1.1.1. too of 
a plug for opening up .pdf-files. altogether rather sloppy, and really 
stupid to put an untested (?) spellcheckerversion on the openofficesite. 
yet: all together more promising than before when i was 'forced'  to use 
microsoft-word instead of - long, long ago - my beloved word-perfect. it 
would be nice if conversion vice versa to the WP 5.1 and 6.0 version  
could be realized  under openoffice.

steef



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Re: reportbug locale complaints

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:09:29PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> Recently, I've been getting warnings about my locale when I start
> reportbug:
> *** Warning: unsupported locale setting
> [the preceding appears at the very top.  Somewhat later I see..]
> *** The following debconf settings were detected:
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
> LANGUAGE = (unset),
> LC_ALL = (unset),
> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
> are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
> 
> I think these started appearing when I upgraded to XFree86 4.3, which
> was also coincident with reportbug starting to use uxterm (I think it
> was using xterm before, though perhaps it's just a labelling change).
> 
> My guess is I need to tweak some of my settings, but I don't really
> understand this.  Can anyone clue me in?
> 
> By the way, I'm running under KDE 3.1.5 with reportbug 2.56.
> 
> Thanks.

 may be report a bug on reportbug?


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Re: apt-get upgrade == no eth0/sound for nforce2

[paul]

I've since found that before the apg-get upgrade my machine was loading
23 modules, but now is just loading 19.  One of those not being loaded
is hotplug, which I thought it was before.  Could this one module be
responsible for loading the ethernet and sound?

modconf shows four drivers for hotplug, any idea which is most appropriate? 

I'm still not sure what I upgraded yesterday (if in fact that was it)
that would cause this... 

Thanks again,  Paul


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Re: Network gone, just like that

[Joost De Cock]

Quoting dircha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Joost De Cock wrote:
> > When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such
> device)
> > and if I try to manually configure it, it gives me the same.
> > I tried with knoppix, eth0 isn't there either, but I can configure it
> manually.
> > When I do so, I can ping the IP address I gave it but nothing else (I'm
> sure the
> > cable is working, tested it with my laptop.
>
> So do I read you correctly, that you can configure it and ping other
> hosts under knoppix? By "configure it manually" do you mean assign it a
> static address, netmask, and gateway, and bring ifup with ifconfig?

No and yes. No I can not ping other hosts and yes I did assign it a static
address, netmask, broadcast and gateway. After doing that I could ping the IP
address that I assigned to it (doesn't leave the NIC) but no other hosts.

> Usually when you can ping a host with its numeric ip address but not
> with its name, this indicates you do not have any dns servers listed in
> /etc/resolv.conf.

As I said, I don't have network access (arp -a shows nothing)
>
> > Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I'm running sarge and I've tried
> with 3
> > different kernels (2.6.3, 2.6.0 and 2.4) but no go.
>
> It will help if you can determine what you did prior to it failing. Did
> you install a different kernel? Off the top of my head I do not know
> what kernel module (driver) is required for your card. However, if you
> boot into knoppix again and execute a 'lsmod', you should be able to
> determine which module knoppix is correctly detecting.

Many people (also off-list) pointed to kernel modules, so I kept trying untill I
found one that made a difference. After loading the 8139too module, I now have
the same situation as I have in knoppix.
I can see the interface, I can manually assign an IP address to it, but no
connection whatsoever. As a side node, the LEDs on the NIC are dead. I've once
again checked the cable and it's fine.

Is there a way to see what I've been apt-getting lately? I believe this could be
caused by upgrading something, but I must admit that I run synaptic with my eyes
closed :)
I do remember a post where someone said that synaptic keeps a log. I've looked
for it but I couldn't find it and the help doesn't mention it either.

Bottom line, my interface is back, but it's just sitting there :(

Any idea would be welcome!

joost


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Re: need RAID driver for install, but no floppy drive

[Justin Guerin]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 13:20, you wrote:
> On 04/13/2004 06:36 PM, Justin Guerin wrote:
> >On Tuesday 13 April 2004 14:32, Matt Morgan wrote:
> >>I'm trying to install Debian (3.0 r2) on a Penguin Computing Relion
> >> 140. It has an LSI MegaRAID disk controller; the driver is not present
> >> on CD1 of the install CD's, so the install can't find any hard disks
> >> to install on. Interestingly, the driver is present on the floppy
> >> install set I downloaded, and of course you can download it.
> >>
> >>[snip]
> >
> >Hi Matt,
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >I don't think the .c and .h files will do you any good.  You need the
> >compiled version of the module, the .o file.  Copy it to your custom
> >CD-ROM.  If it's not already compiled, remember that you'll need to
> > compile the module against the kernel you want to use when you load it,
> > which in this case will be the install kernel.  But if you got this off
> > a floppy set, the .o should already exist, compiled for the correct
> > kernel.
> >
> >[snip]
>
> Justin, thanks for the excellent reply. Now I'm having trouble finding
> the driver on the floppies; I can mount the Rescue (Boot) floppy, but
> the other ones are an unknown file type ("mount: I could not determine
> the filesystem type, and none was specified") and I can't find the
> driver on the rescue floppy. How do I mount those Debian install
> floppies to get files off of them?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt

I couldn't mount a sample driver floppy I created, either.  My download 
could be corrupt, or I could have had a bogus option, but the error was 
that FAT has a bogus table entry or something along those lines.  So I'm 
thinking the file format is fat and my download was bad, but I don't know.

The good news is, you can download the driver archive.  See section 
11.2.3.3.2 on this page:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-appendix.en.html#s-driver-images

>From there, you can extract the archive to a hard drive and search for the 
module there.  Then, copy it to your CD in a /boot directory on the disk.  
Then, it should work when you try to load a driver off the floppy using the 
installer, but if the installer doesn't detect any modules on the disk, you 
may have to mount it manually.  If that's not the problem, make sure the .o 
file is in /boot, with respect to the disk, so that after it's mounted, the 
path is /floppy/boot/.o (I think the installer uses /floppy as its 
mount point, but if it doesn't, change accordingly).  Then try again, or 
load the module manually.

I hope that helps.

Justin Guerin


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nfsd not running?

[ingirafn]

Hello, I am trying to bring up the nfs server. 

When I try to mount 

mount -t nfs 192.168.0.200:/home/folder /mnt

the computure says. 

mount: RPC: Progam not registered

I have /etc/hosts.allow

ALL:192.168.0.0/255  
ALL:192.168.0.198


/etc/hosts.deny is unconfigured. Nothing written.

I have /etc/exports 

/home/folder 192.168.0.0/255(rw)
/home/folder 192.168.0.198(rw)

I don't seem to have the nfs sever up and running

there is /proc/fs/nfs/ folder but no file?

I have nfscommon and the kernel-nfs something. 

But but but. 

What do I do wrong? 

Best 

Ingirafn 


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reportbug locale complaints

[Ross Boylan]

Recently, I've been getting warnings about my locale when I start
reportbug:
*** Warning: unsupported locale setting
[the preceding appears at the very top.  Somewhat later I see..]
*** The following debconf settings were detected:
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory

I think these started appearing when I upgraded to XFree86 4.3, which
was also coincident with reportbug starting to use uxterm (I think it
was using xterm before, though perhaps it's just a labelling change).

My guess is I need to tweak some of my settings, but I don't really
understand this.  Can anyone clue me in?

By the way, I'm running under KDE 3.1.5 with reportbug 2.56.

Thanks.


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Debian XFree86 "-nolisten tcp"

[ms419]

I run a cluster of machines w/ only one display; I need to run lots of 
remote X apps. For performance, I think I need the X server listening 
on a TCP port - but Debian makes a big deal about the security 
implications. Have I any options besides A) using SSH, B) removing the 
"-nolisten tcp" option, (or C) avoiding remote X apps)?

Must I actually remove "-nolisten tcp" from "/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc" 
and "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers", or is there a "/etc/default" or dpkg 
switch I missed somewhere?

# - SECURITY NOTE: Always pass the "-nolisten tcp" option to the X
#   server, as shown in the examples below, unless you know you
#   need the X server listening on a TCP port.  Omitting this
#   option can expose your X server to attacks from remote hosts.
#   Note also that SSH's X11 port-forwarding option works even with
#   X servers that do not listen on a TCP port, so you do not need
#   to remove the "-nolisten tcp" option for SSH's benefit.
Thanks!

Jack

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Re: branding debian releases

[Jeff Elkins]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 03:18 pm, mike wrote:
>I think the names are just fine.
>The code names are great and the debian Names (Stable, Testing, Unstable)
> are as they should be. If they are changed, I think we would have more
> questions asking about the naming scheme.
>
>Mike

I agree with some that the current names don't really reflect reality, but 
Colin Watson has indicated the effort involved in changing them (hardcoded 
everywhere) would be better directed toward installer development.

Can you say moot?

Jeff

(happily running sid 2x years, thanks to this list)


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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Matt Kirchhoff]

Florian Ernst  uni-hd.de> writes:

> Whe using unstable one should be able to check the Bug Tracking
> System, there are several reports dealing with this issue...
> 
> Cheers,
> Flo
> 

The `apt-listbugs` package is useful in this case too, as it will list current 
bugs when running `apt-get upgrade`, for example.

-Matt Kirchhoff


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Re: branding debian releases

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:13:41AM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:19:39 +0300
> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":
> > 
> > - desktop
> > - user
> > - mostly stable
> > - freezing
> 

In that case it should be:

Unstable -
Workstation
active
latest
user

testing -
testing
testbed

stable -
server
frozen

> Some of these would actually be dangerous, as they communicate something
> about testing which is *not true*.  The descriptors you chose for each of
> the three distributions give the impression that the stability (in the
> bugginess sense, not in the "unchanging-with-time" sense) and usability
> of the three form a spectrum with sid the worst, stable the best, and
> testing in-between.  That's wrong.  It may be correct, or close to
> correct, right now, when the main thing holding up the release is the
> installer.  But it's not the general case -- sometimes, testing can be
> more broken than sid (because of packages missing from testing that are
> present in sid, security updates that haven't made it to testing that
> are present in sid, etc.).  Running testing takes work; and if you don't
> have to deal with things like a broken glibc or something like that, you
> *do* have to deal with things like a nonfunctioning GNOME or KDE, or a
> security update to perl that's four weeks behind sid, etc.
> 
> -c
> 
> 
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Re: Cannot boot from harddrive

[Chris Metzler]

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:09:27 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan Wind) wrote:
>
> I changed the subject to be consistent with the problem you are seeing.

Yeah.  I didn't do that because I was sorta planning on doing this in
another thread in a few days, and I didn't wanna usurp Martin's
thread.


>On 2004-04-11T11:18:43-0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
>> The first problem is that OpenGL-intensive applications eventually
>> lock up the machine.
> 
> Could be heat.  Some of the Loki demos locked up my machine in a similar
> fashion, and it has otherwise been stable.

I don't think so, though.  I have lm_sensors installed and my temp numbers
(motherboard and cpu) don't change much.  That doesn't mean the video card
isn't getting hot, of course; but it has an intake fan *right* above it,
blowing down onto it; and I'd expect at least the motherboard to warm up
some in that case.  Plus, it sometimes happens promptly, like within 20
seconds of starting the app.  Not much time to heat up.


>> The second problem with my machine is much more serious:  I can no
>> longer boot from HD.
> 
> What changed that broke this?  

> Could you try booting with that disk in
> another machine (it would help you understand if this is a hardware or
> software issue)?

This is the one thing I haven't done.  I *have* tried other disks in
this machine, and had the same problem, and tried booting off disks
attached to both of the first two IDE channels; this suggested to me
that it really isn't a disk issue.  However, I should try booting off
one of these disks in another machine, as you suggest; even if I don't
think that's it, it's good to conclusively rule it out, and maybe I'll
get some useful diagnostics that way.


> If you using IDE drives, try leave only the harddrive
> on and make sure you set the BIOS to only try to boot using that device.

This I have done, and with more than one disk.  No luck; it just hangs
in the boot process.


> It sounds more like an issue with your boot loader,

I use grub.  A problem with the bootloader is what I first thought,
and my suspicions were further aroused by a thread I saw in grub
mailing lists about grub sometimes having a lockup-during-boot
problem with big disks.  But it's my understanding that the very
first thing grub does, before trying to read *anything* off any
disk, is write "GRUB" to the screen.  I don't get that far.  (In
the bug to which I refer, from the grub mailing lists, it does
get that far)  That doesn't mean it's not a bootloader problem,
of course; but it's as if it's choking immediately upon entering
main(), if so.


> or perhaps a
> master/slave issue than the BIOS breaking.

This I don't know what means.  Could you elaborate?  Thanks.

-c

P.S.  cc'ing you because it took me so long to reply; I figure you
might not see it in the list.  Sorry if that's a bad idea.


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script to search completed auctions on ebay

[Antonis]

Does anyone know how to create a script that will search completed 
auctions on ebay and put the results in a text file?  I know how to do 
this for current auctions but not for completed auctions.
Thanks,
Antonis



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Re: testing PPP connection

[Phil]

At 01:21 PM 4/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
Incoming from Phil:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD 
compression
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
>
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??

ping -c 2 64.233.167.104
ping -c 2 www.google.com
If the latter says something like "unknown host" or "cannot resolve
www.google.com", you've a dns problem.  What's in /etc/resolv.conf?
If neither of them say anything intelligible, then you haven't actually
created a connection.
Neither ping works.  the ip address returns 0 packets received,   100% loss
the google ping returns nothing needed to "ctrl C" to break out
resolv.conf contains ip addresses I do not recognize.  should I put in the 
primary and secondary DNS numbers for my provider?



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Graphics card

[Charles Rodgers]

Can someone recommend a currently available 64Mb graphics card that
they know to be reliably compatible with Kernal 2.4.18. ??
The Debian hardware compatibility list does not address the issue of
Kernal version.
Your answer will be gratefully appreciated.
TIA - Charles

Re: testing PPP connection

[strawks]

Hi,

you can check the status of your ppp connexion with pppstatus.
You can also try to ping some hosts like google :
$ ping google.com

strawks.

On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 21:14, Phil wrote:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD compression 
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be 
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data 
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
> 
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??
> 


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Re: branding debian releases

[mike]

> 
> it's important to note that the present branding scheme
> (unstable / testing / stable) is certainly ACCURATE from the
> point-of-view of the programmers and script-writers -- but for
> the public-at-large, those terms seem MYSTERIOUS and engender
> frequent explanations and lectures on this very list (enough to
> warrant a FAQ, which a debian-newbie is unlikely to locate or to
> read). often it seems like we have to dip into DAMAGE CONTROL
> MODE simply because a newbie didn't "grok" the release naming
> scheme.
> 
> so maybe a "public-oriented name scheme" is worthy of
> consideration. that is, we could cautiously and considerately
> select appropriate names for the releases that make sense to the
> public at large, and:
> 
>   1) not have to answer this question again!
>   2) improve dissemination of debian as folks are more
>  likely to get the release they really want
>   3) watch the ranks grow and grow and grow...

> 
> the idea would be to pick names that will make (appropriate)
> sense to people who are NOT intimately invovled in the project.
> by all means, keep the fun code names (slink, potato, woody,
> sarge, sid...) behind-the-scenes, of course. :)
> 
> after brainstorming, of course, consideration of multilingual
> translations would be important; also, beware of terms easily
> warped into derogatory forms by "enemy camps" (think "marketing"
> and "spin"). but first, we need to gather all ideas, even ones
> that may seem silly.
> 
> comments welcome.

I think the names are just fine.
The code names are great and the debian Names (Stable, Testing, Unstable) are 
as they should be. If they are changed, I think we would have more questions 
asking about the naming scheme.

Mike



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Re: testing PPP connection

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Phil:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD compression 
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be 
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data 
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
> 
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??

ping -c 2 64.233.167.104
ping -c 2 www.google.com

If the latter says something like "unknown host" or "cannot resolve
www.google.com", you've a dns problem.  What's in /etc/resolv.conf?

If neither of them say anything intelligible, then you haven't actually
created a connection.


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Re: Network gone, just like that

[dircha]

Joost De Cock wrote:
When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such device)
and if I try to manually configure it, it gives me the same.
I tried with knoppix, eth0 isn't there either, but I can configure it manually.
When I do so, I can ping the IP address I gave it but nothing else (I'm sure the
cable is working, tested it with my laptop.
So do I read you correctly, that you can configure it and ping other 
hosts under knoppix? By "configure it manually" do you mean assign it a 
static address, netmask, and gateway, and bring ifup with ifconfig?

Usually when you can ping a host with its numeric ip address but not 
with its name, this indicates you do not have any dns servers listed in 
/etc/resolv.conf. This information is usually contained in the lease you 
receive when you bring your interface up via DHCP (/var/lib/dhcp/), and 
automatically written to this file. Because you are bringing up your 
interface without DHCP, this information is not being provided.

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I'm running sarge and I've tried with 3
different kernels (2.6.3, 2.6.0 and 2.4) but no go.
It will help if you can determine what you did prior to it failing. Did 
you install a different kernel? Off the top of my head I do not know 
what kernel module (driver) is required for your card. However, if you 
boot into knoppix again and execute a 'lsmod', you should be able to 
determine which module knoppix is correctly detecting.

Ensure that the kernel you are using either compiles this module into 
the kernel, or if it is included as a module, ensure that it is listed 
in your /etc/modules file.

I've also swapped the NIC (I happen to have the same one lying around) but that
doesn't help either. Also, the NIC is detected (not sure where to look on the
cli, but in kinfocenter it's listed under the pci devices (it's a realtek))
kinfocenter is able to determine the type of card whether or not the 
correct kernel module is loaded, so this doesn't help you much. Your 
problem is most likely not hardware related.

dircha

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Re: [not yet :-( fixed] Re: hangs on Nforce2 & kernel 2.6.4

[Kai Weber]

* Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203
> >
> > Some other workaround (and patches) are suggested.
> Let's hope they are able to fix it. I would love to be able to use my
> NForce2 at full speed, it is a very good chipset!

As far as I know, Linus rejected the patch with a statement like
"Vendors should better repair their BIOS".

Too bad. I wait for a new BIOS version for my A7NX8X.

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qmail - SMTP AUTH

[Daniel Guido]

I downloaded the qmail-src package from unstable and want to know how to 
get SMTP AUTH and TLS to work.

The patches available on the internet don't patch cleanly to the debian 
provided source.  After a little investigation I found 3 files in the 
/patches/ldap-patches/ directory that are named:
004a_smtp-auth-20020501a
004a_smtp-auth-20020501a.Makefile.patch
004a_smtp-auth-20020501a.qmail-smtpd.c.patch

Upon inspection these looks like the same code from 
http://members.elysium.pl/brush/qmail-smtpd-auth/

After running build-qmail I get a message saying that all the patches in 
the /patches/ directory have been applied already however it goes on to 
list them and skips over everything in the ldap-patches folder.

So my question is: Have the all the /patches/ldap-patches/ already been 
applied?  If not, how do I apply them and configure the resulting SMTP 
AUTH options?  And will the qmail TLS patch at 
http://inoa.net/qmail-tls/ still work?

My goal is to use nothing but qmail and the included pop3 daemon to 
serve up mail to roaming users while still allowing them to send; an 
ISP-like setup.  Can anyone help?  Thanks.

Dan

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testing PPP connection

[Phil]

I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD compression 
messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be 
functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data 
necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.

How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??

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Re: [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages - Solved

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

Hi,

No more problem by now.
Apparently, I got rid of *all* the symptoms I had with gdm by doing this:

     apt-get --purge remove gdm 
          (it said it didn't remove /etc/dm/)
     rm -rf /etc/dm/  (so that everything is removed)
     apt-get install gdm

And now it works fine! :-)

Cheers,
Sylvain.

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 11:02, you wrote:
SV> Hello,
SV>
SV> I've got various problems with gdm since I upgraded my SID 2 days ago.
SV>
SV> Thanks to some of you I found out how to put Window Maker, Gnome, Xfce
 and KDE SV> back into the drop-down list of gdm,
SV>
SV> BUT gdm still doesn't work correctly
SV>
SV> (before finding about the new SomeWM.desktop files, I messed around for
 hours SV> trying to fix the problem myself... mea culpa).
SV>
SV>
SV> - When I select any session (Window Maker, etc.), gdm complains about not
SV> finding 'the base Xsession' script... though I have one in
 /etc/dm/Sessions/ SV> and in other directories as well.
SV>
SV> - Less disturbing: gdm also complains about 'XDMC' server not configured
 or SV> something.
SV>
SV> => Do you know where the 'base' Xsession script is supposed to be?
SV> And maybe how to generate a default Xsession?
SV>
SV> Cheers,
SV> Sylvain.
SV>

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Re: udev: how to do it right?

[John L Fjellstad]

Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> John, could you provide pointers to the documentation? I wan to
> understand all this before asking more questions. I would like to know
> how to identify my memstick in /sys for example.

Check the udev man pages. I really haven't seen any other
documentations, since everything is so new.  The howto earlier in the
thread is actually the first third-party documentation I've seeb.
Mostly picked up everything I know by hanging out on the linux-hotplug
mailing list.  So, please, ask... I promise to do my best to answer:-)

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Re: gdm - Please, send me a default Xsession (Newbie in trouble) - Solved

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

Hi,

Finally I solved *all* the problems I had with gdm with:
   apt-get --purge remove gdm 
(it said it didn't remove /etc/dm/)
   rm -rf /etc/dm/  (so that everything is removed)
   apt-get install gdm

And now it works fine!

Cheers,
Sylvain.

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 19:21, you wrote:
PW> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
PW>
PW> > Hello,
PW> >
PW> > => Can any of you send me a default/example Xsession file?
PW> > => And also tell me where it should be located to work?
PW> >
PW> > I broke my gdm configuration 3 days ago
PW> > with an apt-get upgrade (SID) + various attempts I made.
PW> >
PW> > I'll avoid stupid attempts next time
PW> > (such as removing a file/directory without enough knowledge...)
PW> >
PW> > Thanks in advance!
PW> > Sylvain.
PW> >
PW> > N.B:
PW> > Yes, I already sent a mail to this list, but maybe it was too
PW> > long/not clear?
PW> > " [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages"
PW> >
PW>
PW> I had the same issue after upgrading gdm yesterday.  The file, instead
PW> of being inside of /etc/gdm/Sessions is now supposed to be in one of a
PW> few places (I think), I put mine in /etc/dm/Sesssions.  The contents of
PW> the file:
PW>
PW> [Desktop Entry]
PW> Encoding=UTF-8
PW> Name=Gnome
PW> Comment=Log into Gnome
PW> Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session
PW> Icon=
PW> Type=Application
PW>
PW> HTH, Paul
PW>
PW>

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md5sum mismatch while upgrading mplayer-386

[H. S.]

Hi,

I was trying to update my Debian Sarge machine and apt-get said 
mplayer-386 was kept back. When I try to install it, it says there was a 
md5mismatch:

~# apt-get -m install mplayer-386
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Suggested packages:
  mplayer-doc
The following packages will be upgraded:
  mplayer-386
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2898kB of archives.
After unpacking 53.2kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main mplayer-386 
1:1.0-pre3cvs20040404-sarge0.2 [2898kB]
Fetched 2898kB in 10s (268kB/s)
Failed to fetch 
ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/mplayer-386_1.0-pre3cvs20040404-sarge0.2_i386.deb 
 MD5Sum mismatch



Anybody else facing this problem? That md5sum mismatch worried, hence 
this report.

regards,
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Re: kernel 2.6.4 thourh make-kpkg

[s. keeling]

Incoming from CW Harris:
> 
> "make-kpkg" is in the "kernel-package" package.
> ("apt-get kernel-package" to install).
> 
> After installing it, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, it
> contains very detailed steps on how to use it.  At its simplest it can
> be:
> 
> make-kpkg clean
> make-kpkg --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel-image
> make-kpkg --initrd --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel-image <-- if initrd used
> 

make-kpkg --initrd --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel_image modules_image


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Re: off

[Sebastiaan]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, cookie lady wrote:

> TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST
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Re: Network gone, just like that

[paul]

> Hello all,
> 
> I have a weird issue. When booting my computer I no longer have my
> eth0
> interface. The local interface is there, and it's working (I can ping
> the
> loopback address) but eth0 is nowhere to be seen. (it was there
> yesterday)
> 
> When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such
> device)



I have the exact symptoms, though I don't see the dhclient error on
boot, I do see it if I try to load it manually.

Did you upgrade anything yesterday?  I lost mine (I think) after an
apt-get upgrade.  I have an nforce2 chipset which has built in ethernet
and sound, and as both are gone for me - assumed it was the chipset.

Paul


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Re: gdm - Please, send me a default Xsession (Newbie in trouble)

[Aurel]

Hi,

try a dpkg-reconfigure gdm
then take a look at the /etc/dm/Sessions directory.
you'll find a file default.desktop. Add one file per desktop/WM you want 
to be launched using gdm.

Each file has to be in this form:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Gnome / KDE / WMaker
Comment=Gnome / kde /Wmaker
Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session / kdestart / wmaker
# no icon yet, only the top three are currently used
Icon=
Type=Application
Aurel

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

=> Can any of you send me a default/example Xsession file?
=> And also tell me where it should be located to work?
I broke my gdm configuration 3 days ago 
with an apt-get upgrade (SID) + various attempts I made.

I'll avoid stupid attempts next time 
(such as removing a file/directory without enough knowledge...)

Thanks in advance!
Sylvain.
N.B: 
Yes, I already sent a mail to this list, but maybe it was too long/not clear?
" [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages"

 



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Re: branding debian releases

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:32:40AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> Daily Builds are expected to fail.  IDW Builds are about the equivalent 
> of Debian's Experimental.  IDS Builds are about the equivalent of 
> Debian's Unstable: they are shipped to ISVs, most people are expected to 
> run them, they mostly work, Microsoft ran www.microsoft.com off them for 

IDW = Developer's Workstation, IDS = Deployment Server
I can't remember the exact meaning of the acronyms.

An IDW build is one that all Devs are expected to have running on their 
Primary build machines.  It's stable enough for experts to run.


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Re: Crontab last days of the month..

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 09:58:38AM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Wayne Topa:
> > Rus Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > > Hi All,
> > > Couldn't find a decent answer to this in google but goes as follows
> > > 
> > > If I have a cron job that is scheduled for the 31st of the month and the
> > > month we are in doesn't have 31 days would it be run on the last day of
> > > the month or not run at all?
> > 
> > I bzip up all my mail at the end of the month and had the same
> > problem.  I solved it by having the script run 1 minute after midnight
> > on the 1st of the month.
> 
> Another way is to run it every day, but have the script figure out if
> it's the last day of the month, and exit if not.  I have no idea where
> I found this, nor have I tested it extensively:
> 
> days_in_month () 
> { 
> dim_m=${1:-`date +%m`};
> dim_m=`monthnum $dim_m`;
> case ${dim_m#0} in 
> 9 | 4 | 6 | 11)
> echo 30
> ;;
> 1 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 12)
> echo 31
> ;;
> 2)
> is_leap_year ${2:-`date +%Y`} && echo 29 || echo 28
> ;;
> esac
> }

if [ $(date -d tomorrow '+%m') -ne $(date '+%m') ]
then
echo 'today is the last day of the month'
fi


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Re: Network gone, just like that

[Paul W.]

> Hello all,
>
> I have a weird issue. When booting my computer I no longer have my
> eth0
> interface. The local interface is there, and it's working (I can ping
> the
> loopback address) but eth0 is nowhere to be seen. (it was there
> yesterday)
>
> When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such
> device)



I have the exact symptoms, though I don't see the dhclient error on
boot, I do see it if I try to load it manually.

Did you upgrade anything yesterday?  I lost mine (I think) after an
apt-get upgrade.  I have an nforce2 chipset which has built in ethernet
and sound, and as both are gone for me - assumed it was the chipset.

Paul


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sysvconfig -- A text menu based utility for configuring init script links

[John Hasler]

I've uploaded sysvconfig 0.6 to Experimental:

Package: sysvconfig
Architecture: all
Depends:  dialog
Description: A text menu based utility for configuring init script links
 It provides extensive explanations at each step.
 Some features supported by sysvconfig are:
  - Enable or disable services.
  - Edit init links.
  - Restore from backup file if you make a mistake.
  - Menu or command line interface.
  - View all services, each with its status and a brief description.


Sysvconfig no longer uses update-rc.d

Please test it, but realize that it _could_ render your system unbootable.
'sysvconfig --debug directory' will cause it to look in 'directory' for
init.d and the rc directories instead of in /etc, and attempt to put its
backup file there.


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Re: branding debian releases

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:14:45PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
> In computer-world unstable means: is known to crash too often, or
> something similar. It sounds like it is flaky, buggy crap :).

I worked at Microsoft for 3 years.  They build NT Daily.  They have:

* Daily Builds
* IDW Builds
* IDS Builds
* PDC Builds
* Beta Builds
* RC Builds
* Gold Builds
* QFE Builds
* Service Pack Builds

Daily Builds are expected to fail.  IDW Builds are about the equivalent 
of Debian's Experimental.  IDS Builds are about the equivalent of 
Debian's Unstable: they are shipped to ISVs, most people are expected to 
run them, they mostly work, Microsoft ran www.microsoft.com off them for 
about 1 year before Windows 2003 shipped, at first in a very limited 
way, then in a big way.  IDS builds are built about every 4-6 weeks, 
sometimes more often.

An IDS Build is occasionally forked into a PDC, Beta, or RC Build.  For 
a period of about 2 months effort is made to stabilize the fork while 
Daily Builds proceed, usually starting to break significantly as new 
things are added.  Eventually an RC is selected to go Gold, however 
usually about 15-20 Daily's have happened, which becomes the basis for 
the next release.

The point of all this is, all types of builds except Dailies are "mostly 
usuable," however all except Gold are unstable.  (And Even Then... Har 
har har)

Unstable doesn't mean "expected to fail instantly."  Unstable means 
"expected to fail at all."


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