Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Simon Kitching]

On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 18:14, CaT wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 02:50:43PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > s. keeling wrote:
> > > I gave up on both of those; they're equally uncontrollable, and far
> > > too fat to leave any room for actual applications to run.  ymmv.
> > 
> > Could've fooled me.
> > 
> > KDE + Squid + Addzapper + other stuff...
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} free
> >  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> > Mem:775556 767612   7944  0 131368 392300
> > -/+ buffers/cache: 243944 531612
> > Swap:   655344  26600 628744
> > 
> > 531Mb's not enough?  Hmph.
> 
> It's more of a case of 'Isn't 240Mb (or 200 cos of squid) a bit much for
> a pretty desktop?' ;)

It's always real hard to measure actual memory usage of an app. This
240MB is presumably actually the memory taken by the kernel plus disk
cache + all sorts of other stuff too, like SSH servers.

But assuming all 240MB are used by the desktop, thats what- US$50?
I'm willing to pay that for the chance to run a pretty desktop for the
lifetime of that PC. And I live in a country where the US$ is about
twice that value in real terms.

Of course some people live places where that *is* an unacceptable amount
of money. So it's good that they have options, like XFce or others [see
the RULE project for details on running a truly "light" linux
install...].

Regards,

Simon



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Re: How Do I Update to Gnome 2.6?

[Simon Kitching]

On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 17:54, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Dear friends:
> 
> Here is an example of one of the reviews of Gnome 2.6 from LinuxPlanet:
> 
> Gnome 2.6: Two Left Feet?
> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5428/1/

All this review points out is how much Slackware sucks. Or how badly the
slackware install package for gnome-2.6 sucks. Or that the reviewer is
too dumb to be trusted with a keyboard. Choose one or more of the
preceding options.

The Debian people who built the gnome-2.6 package for Debian appear to
have done a much better job - it just installs. Well done - and thanks.

Regards,

Simon



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XFree86 wierdness

[Warren Stramiello]

Description:
I'm trying to set up X so it can display in 3 different resolutions
(640x480, 800x600, 1024x768). Unfortunately, I can't for the life of me
figure out how to get it to work properly - I keep getting an hsync out
of range error in my XFree86 log file for 800x600 and 640x480. I'm at a
loss as to how to proceed. Any suggestions are welcome.
~Warren

More details:
I tried running videogen to pull modelines for me.
$videogen -m=640x480 -mdc=65 -mhf=62 -mvf=70
Modeline "640x480" 28.85 640 656 688 816 480 482 483 505  # 29 MHz, 35.4
kHz, 70.0 Hz

$videogen -m=800x600 -mdc=65 -mhf=62 -mvf=70
Modeline "800x600" 45.30 800 824 856 1024 600 602 604 632  # 45 MHz,
44.2 kHz, 70.0 Hz

$videogen -m=1024x768 -mdc=65 -mhf=62 -mvf=70
Modeline "1024x768" 65.00 1024 1056 1088 1312 768 770 772 808  # 65 MHz,
49.5 kHz, 61.3 Hz

The 1024x768 works, but 800x600 and 640x480 don't. I get the following
key errors from the logs:

[...] from XFree86.0.log
(II) R128(0): Ranges: V min: 50  V max: 75 Hz, H min: 30  H max: 62 kHz,
PixClock max 80 MHz
(II) R128(0): Monitor name: VG150
(==) R128(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(II) R128(0): ViewsonicPanel: Using hsync value of 48.00 kHz
(II) R128(0): ViewsonicPanel: Using vrefresh value of 60.00 Hz
(II) R128(0): Clock range:  12.00 to 270.00 MHz
(II) R128(0): Not using mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) R128(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (hsync out of range)

[...]
(--) R128(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
(**) R128(0):  Mode "1024x768": 63.0 MHz, 48.0 kHz, 59.4 Hz
(II) R128(0): Modeline "1024x768"   62.98  1024 1056 1088 1312  768 770
772 808
(--) R128(0): Display dimensions: (300, 230) mm
(--) R128(0): DPI set to (86, 84)
[...]

Here's what I'm running:
XFree86: XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 20040529113443
[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Debian Unstable
2.6.6 kernel

Dell Latitude 800c with ATI Rage Mobility 128
Laptop LCD works up to 1400x1050
External LCD is a Viewsonic VG150
-hsync 30-62 
-vsync 60-70
-bandwidth 65 Mhz


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Re: trouble adding window manager to GDM

[Adam Funk]

On Monday 14 June 2004 18:30, Philipp Bliedung wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am running Debian unstable and updated to Gnome 2.6 this past
> weekend. After the update (and an update to the newest version of gdm
> 2.4.4.7-3) I can't select any other window managers from the GDM
> login-screen.
> 
> I want to add blackbox and Xfce4.

The new version of GDM uses /etc/dm/Sessions/*.desktop files.  Here's my
xfce4.desktop file, for example:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Xfce4
Comment=Xfce4
Exec=/usr/bin/xfce4-session
# no icon yet, only the top three are currently used
Icon=
Type=Application


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[CaT]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 02:50:43PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> > I gave up on both of those; they're equally uncontrollable, and far
> > too fat to leave any room for actual applications to run.  ymmv.
> 
> Could've fooled me.
> 
> KDE + Squid + Addzapper + other stuff...
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} free
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:775556 767612   7944  0 131368 392300
> -/+ buffers/cache: 243944 531612
> Swap:   655344  26600 628744
> 
> 531Mb's not enough?  Hmph.

It's more of a case of 'Isn't 240Mb (or 200 cos of squid) a bit much for
a pretty desktop?' ;)

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kde removes on dselect-upgrade

[Cristi Banciu]

Hi,

I am running sid and when I perform an apt-get dselect-upgrade it wants
to remove kde.
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
(14 or more lines of packages to be removed)
1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 247 to remove and 3 not
upgraded.

If I try something like apt-get install samba I got the following:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  samba: Depends: libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.20final-1) but it is not
going to be installed
E: Broken packages

I searched on bts and I found this:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250921 , but I still
have no idea how I could fix the problem. So any hints will be welocome.

Thank you



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strange problem with sound card

[j smith]

i have SB 16 and Debian 3.0. after compiling kernel
2.4, i put the following to /etc/modules:

sound
uart401
sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330

it seems that sound driver works, because lbreakout2's
sound effect is OK and xawtv'TV sound is OK. but i
can't record TV sound in xawtv. it complains:"oss:
read: Input/output error". later i found "cat foo.au
>/dev/audio" does not work, with dmesg, i found
"Sound:DMA(output)time out - IRQ/DRQ config error?"

please help me!




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Re: Mozilla thunderbird crashes when opening attachments

[Mal Beaton]

Alexander Sack wrote:


thanks however right click on any attachment pdf, sxc, jpg and select 
open. THey all crash

Does thunderbird crash itself or 'just' the apps started by the open 
dialog??

If so, does thunderbird crash if you select "save as.." too, or just 
when trying to open?

If it crashes too, please state the filename (maybe there any special 
non-ASCII characters in
the attachments filename?)

Thunderbird crashes itself. There is no open dialog
thunderbird does not crash when you select save as
The filenames are common such as
file.pdf
test.doc
Crashes on all files if trying to open with external viewer.
It is as if it has lost ability to open any external viewers or even the 
kde open dialog

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Re: How Do I Update to Gnome 2.6?

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

Here is an example of one of the reviews of Gnome 2.6 from LinuxPlanet:

Gnome 2.6: Two Left Feet?
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5428/1/

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Re: How Do I Update to Gnome 2.6?

[Simon Kitching]

On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 17:12, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Dear Ed:
> 
> I don't use Debian. I use the Debian-based Xandros Linux. But I would advise 
> you very strongly to read some of the reviews of Gnome 2.6. They are 
> horrendous. Just look for them at LinuxToday. The consensus is that if you 
> really want Gnome 2.6, you should wait till your distro has upgraded to it. 
> Otherwise, you'll be facing one hell of a nightmare both installing and 
> running it.

The above is not true at all. I'm running Gnome 2.6 right now. It's very
nice, and perfectly stable.

Add the following to the file /etc/apt/sources.list:
  deb ftp://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ unstable main  contrib

[Note: instead of the download URL above, select a suitable mirror for
your location]

then as the root user type:
  apt-get update
  apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment

Note that pointing apt at "unstable" can have nasty side-effects. You
really should run a system backup before doing this, just in case.
However I can say that I updated about 1 hour ago and everything is
fine. 

I typically comment out the "unstable" line above when I'm happy with my
system, so that I don't download any more "unstable" packages. There is
probably a better way to manage this, such as "pinning" etc. Some day I
hope to have time to learn the finer details of apt.

Note; I am running x86 not PPC. I don't expect that to make any
difference, though.

Regards,

Simon


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Paul Scott]

Steve Lamb wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
 

But that's a CLI job anyway.  Tab-completion and history and the rest of
the shell goodies makes the CL easier for most of that stuff :)
   

   Most, not all. 

Agreed!
Shell's not to fond of partial selecions across a large
list which is handled quite nicely in a properly implemented GUI with CNTL and
SHIFT (note, Pan being a prime example of not doing it correctly).
 

Agreed.  Often I'm doing partial selections with apps like GFTP 
providing nicer selection for both source and destination.

   I'm not trying to get into a GUI/CLI war here.  I mean, c'mon, I use slrn
for news, tbird for mail, pan for binaries decodes, spend most of my time in
zsh, eschew mc except for rare uses (rarer now that I know lftp can do fish),
and code most of my Python in vim except for the few portions I design in
boa-constructor.  If'n ya wanna pidgeon-hole me put me in the "uses what works
for him and is grateful for the strengths of both" slot, please.  Thanks.  :)
 

We're pretty well agreed.  Some of the above I haven't tried.  I don't 
like the modal aspect of vi so I learned emacs which supports Lilypond 
very well.  I wouldn't complain if emacs used more modern keystrokes though.

As to the original topic a strong reason for my using KDE over Gnome is 
having all tasks in the taskbar instead of only those on the current 
desktop.  If someone knows how to easily fix this in Gnome I might give 
it another look.

Have fun,
Paul

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Re: How Do I Update to Gnome 2.6?

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear Ed:

I don't use Debian. I use the Debian-based Xandros Linux. But I would advise 
you very strongly to read some of the reviews of Gnome 2.6. They are 
horrendous. Just look for them at LinuxToday. The consensus is that if you 
really want Gnome 2.6, you should wait till your distro has upgraded to it. 
Otherwise, you'll be facing one hell of a nightmare both installing and 
running it.

Benjamin

On 06/14/2004 11:58 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> Can I apt-get gnome 2.6 for the ppc? If so, what's the filename and/or
> do I need to add a source to my apt sources list? Thanks.
>
> Ed

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How Do I Update to Gnome 2.6?

[Ed Sutherland]

Can I apt-get gnome 2.6 for the ppc? If so, what's the filename and/or 
do I need to add a source to my apt sources list? Thanks.

Ed


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Re: aol art files:

[DrLouNCV]

REMOVE THESE ART FILES FROM MY AOL ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY OR I CANCEL
IM TIRED TO SEE THIS MESSAGE WHEN I SHUT DOWN MY PC
 
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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Scott wrote:
> But that's a CLI job anyway.  Tab-completion and history and the rest of
> the shell goodies makes the CL easier for most of that stuff :)

Most, not all.  Shell's not to fond of partial selecions across a large
list which is handled quite nicely in a properly implemented GUI with CNTL and
SHIFT (note, Pan being a prime example of not doing it correctly).

I'm not trying to get into a GUI/CLI war here.  I mean, c'mon, I use slrn
for news, tbird for mail, pan for binaries decodes, spend most of my time in
zsh, eschew mc except for rare uses (rarer now that I know lftp can do fish),
and code most of my Python in vim except for the few portions I design in
boa-constructor.  If'n ya wanna pidgeon-hole me put me in the "uses what works
for him and is grateful for the strengths of both" slot, please.  Thanks.  :)

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Re: Debian on a small PC?

[Kevin Mark]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:08:23AM -0400, Nicolas wrote:
> Hi,
>   I borrowed a little embedded PC from work (yes, my boss knows it) with 96 
> megs of disk (flash) and 64 megs or ram.  The cpu is a pentium 166 (I think) 
> with 2 serial port, parallele port, vga, usb, pcmcia, keyboard and floppy.  
> 
> I'd like to know if it is possible to put Debian directly on it or should I 
> put the programs/kernel by hand? 
> 
> I'd like to have a shell, ssh and a little place to put a GPS tracking program 
> (with some place for raw logging since I'll do the computing/mapping on a 
> more powerfull computer) and maybe a OBDII interface (it will go in a car).
> 
> I know I can put my laptop or a "real computer" (I have the place to put it) 
> but it won't be fun :o)  And if there is no moving parts, there is no risk of 
> braking anything.
> 
>   Nic Cola
Hi Nic,
check out pebble linux!
http://www.nycwireless.net/pebble

-Kev


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Paul Scott]

Steve Lamb wrote:
Alan Shutko wrote:
 

Ignore them... they'll learn what we learned long ago, they'll just
be annoying until they do.
   

   That's just the thing, I don't want to ignore them.  I happen to really
HATE the idiotic browser model.  Pisses me off to no end when i want to copy
from folder A to folder B which are both in folder C and I have to open two
windows and drill both windows down to that one subfolder and then split when
I can just drill once, split from there, copy the files then close all.
 

But that's a CLI job anyway.  Tab-completion and history and the rest of 
the shell goodies makes the CL easier for most of that stuff :)

Paul Scott
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Debian on a small PC?

[Nicolas]

Hi,
I borrowed a little embedded PC from work (yes, my boss knows it) with 96 
megs of disk (flash) and 64 megs or ram.  The cpu is a pentium 166 (I think) 
with 2 serial port, parallele port, vga, usb, pcmcia, keyboard and floppy.  

I'd like to know if it is possible to put Debian directly on it or should I 
put the programs/kernel by hand? 

I'd like to have a shell, ssh and a little place to put a GPS tracking program 
(with some place for raw logging since I'll do the computing/mapping on a 
more powerfull computer) and maybe a OBDII interface (it will go in a car).

I know I can put my laptop or a "real computer" (I have the place to put it) 
but it won't be fun :o)  And if there is no moving parts, there is no risk of 
braking anything.

Nic Cola

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USB and debian ppc

[r351574nc3]

Hello all,
I just joined the list. Is there anyone on that knows about which would 
be a suitable usb adapter for debian ppc on a g3? I installed an I/O 
Gear usb adapter and found it works in OS 9 and OS X, but gives me 
strange errors in linux. To my understanding all USB adapters use the 
same drivers, so I guess I could be asking the wrong question.

If anyone can help, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Leo
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Re: bash profile how?

[Cameron Hutchison]

Once upon a time Michael B Allen said...
> For some reason bash isn't sourcing /etc/profile. In fact after adding .
> /etc/profile to .bash_profile I don't think .bash_profile is being sourced
> b/c it had no effect.

The man page for bash explains what files are read on startup, in the
section INVOCATION.

It talks about login and non-login shells, but doesn't really explain
when you get a login shell.

A shell will be a login shell when you log in on the text console
(through the login(1) program). If you just open a new shell window from
your graphical desktop environment, you will get a non-login shell.

Personally, my .bash_profile has one line:
source ~/.bashrc

I find the different files that bash reads on different occasions quite
annoying.


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Re: trouble adding window manager to GDM

[Chris Metzler]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:08 +0200
Philipp Bliedung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> I am running Debian unstable and updated to Gnome 2.6 this past weekend.
> 
> After the update (and an update to the newest version of gdm 2.4.4.7-3) 
> I can't select any other window managers from the GDM login-screen.
> 
> I want to add blackbox and Xfce4.
> 
> I created a file named "Blackbox" in /etc/gdm/Sessions/ and added
> 
> exec /usr/bin/blackbox
> 
> I made this file executable (chmod 755), but when I log off and restart 
> gdm I only have the same options I had before. I can't choose anything 
> other that Gnome.
> 
> Any ideas?

Did you read the documentation for gdm, in /usr/share/doc/gdm (and
in particular, its changelog) to see if anything had changed?

Did you search the archives of this mailing list?

-c

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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Steve Lamb]

Alan Shutko wrote:
> Ignore them... they'll learn what we learned long ago, they'll just
> be annoying until they do.

That's just the thing, I don't want to ignore them.  I happen to really
HATE the idiotic browser model.  Pisses me off to no end when i want to copy
from folder A to folder B which are both in folder C and I have to open two
windows and drill both windows down to that one subfolder and then split when
I can just drill once, split from there, copy the files then close all.

I'd like to know what the difference is because I read a few articles and
it looks like the behavior I've been used to for years.  Bully for them for
going back to a sane behavior.  Just don't think they're being honest in
saying they're revolutionary in doing so.  But then, that's the Gnome bunch
for ya.

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bash profile how?

[Michael B Allen]

For some reason bash isn't sourcing /etc/profile. In fact after adding .
/etc/profile to .bash_profile I don't think .bash_profile is being sourced
b/c it had no effect.

I just wiped RH 7.3 and I don't know the shell best-practices for Debian.
Please advise. I'm running testing w/ 2.4.26.

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Alan Shutko]

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Love to know why people are calling it a new thing.  Everything I've read
> about the "spatial nautilus" being a "departure" from how GUI computing has
> been done only reminds me of how I've been doing it for the past several years
> in Win95-Win2k and OS/2.  Only more than 10 years now.  This is new?  To whom?

Well, they claim that anyone who bases their understanding on Win95 is
completely wrong, since real spatial is different.  But they neglect
that the Mac and Amiga have had "real spatial" for almost 20 years.

Ignore them... they'll learn what we learned long ago, they'll just
be annoying until they do.

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openwebmail + postgresql configuration

[Tom Allison]

I'm running my authentication through a pgsql database with passwords 
that are stored as md5 hashes of the password.
This authentication model is working for the dovecot imap server.

However, under openwebmail I am accessing the database through 
'localhost' instead of sockets and I keep getting a postgres pg_hba.conf 
configuration error.  The affecting line is:

hostall   all 127.0.0.1  md5
2004-06-14 21:58:22 [24670] LOG:  connection received: host=127.0.0.1 
port=33487
2004-06-14 21:58:22 [24670] LOG:  invalid entry in pg_hba.conf file at 
line 89, token "md5"

dovecot accesses the database for authenction through a line that says:
localall all md5
(successfully).
Right now I have to figure this out, but my openwebmail part of the 
question is, can I set the host to a local socket?

After that, the next question is going to be:
If I take the user information (home, uid, gid) from /etc/passwd and the 
authentication information (user, password) from postgresql, how do I do 
this?  I'm not sure that it will work, but I have set the 
"use_homedirspools	yes", but I'm not certain that this will work.

I do not as yet have any of the home/uid/gid information in the postgres 
database.

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Firefox Configuration Question

[James W. Thompson, II]

I have posted recently about my project to build a Debian based web
browsing kiosk and I wanted to ask one question not really related to
Debian but that someone here may be able to answer.

I have a Browser.jar that I would like to use just for the guest user.
Would the only way to make sure this particular file is only applied
for the Guest user be to build some kind of shell script to manage it
or is there somewhere in ~/.firefox that the file could go that would
overwrite the default Browser.jar?


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[dircha]

Cecil wrote:
I am curious as to what the pros and cons would be of picking just one 
desktop and deleting the other. Please tell me which you prefer, and 
resons why.  I have bothe kde and gnome now. Thanks,
In GNOME try printing in the default installs of gpdf (PDF), ggv 
(Postscript), Epiphany (web browser), or Abiword (word processor) to 
name a few.

Unless something has changed since last I checked, you get nothing but a 
text field that takes a command string for lpr. That is to say, you 
don't get a drop down list of configured local or network printers. 
That's awfully backward for a modern GUI environment.

I choose neither. There are too many layers of automated cruft such that 
when something breaks or fails to work (and it always does), fixing or 
even identifying the problem is no simple proposition. The resource 
usage is sick. Just let me have a top level dot file in my home 
directory, one where I don't have to hassle with the redundancy of xml 
tags and 4 levels of nesting to modify simple behavioral attributes.

Also, as a matter of principle I simply can not deal with a monstrous 
settings daemon wasting more resources than many GUI applications. 
Perhaps this can be taken care of at compile time, but the reason I 
don't use a source based distribution is because I'm not willing to take 
the time to hassle with that.

So I do without, and don't much mind it.
dircha
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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[Greg Madden]

On Monday 14 June 2004 12:17 pm, LeVA wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I want to download the pictures from a fuji digital camera.
> When I plug it in the usb port, my kernel detects the camera:
>
> ---###---
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass
> Storage devices
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Vendor: FUJIFILM  Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT
> Rev: 1.00
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access
> ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at
> scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: SCSI device sda: 32000 512-byte hdwr
> sectors (16 MB)
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame#
> 611 Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:  sda: sda1
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity
> not assured
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 2
> ---###---
>
> And after I try to mount it (mount /dev/sda /mnt/fuji):
>
> Jun 14 20:43:49 leva kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 0
> Jun 14 20:43:49 leva kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem
> on dev 08:00.
>
> What could be the problem?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Daniel


Just a guess, just ordered my first digital camera. If you have a camera 
that supports usb mass storage and ptp protocols, does the mount 
command work with the ptp setting?
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Re: problem while update to kernel 2.6.6

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 10:50, Paul Tsai wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 01:01, J. Preiss wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I have exactly the same message on the screen. 
> >>I think it has something todo with this initrd-option (which I ignored of 
> >>course...). My device is 305 (3,5). 
> >>
> >>
> >
> >man lilo.conf may help
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Am Montag, 14. Juni 2004 09:10 schrieb Jinzhi Lei:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear all,
> >>> While I update the the kernel from 2.2 to 2.6.6, I had the following
> >>>question: VFS: Cannot open root device "1606" or unknown-block(22,6)
> >>> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> >>> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,6)
> >>>
> >>>But I had root=/dev/hdc6 at the file LILO.conf. Who can tell me how to
> >>>resolve this problem? Thank you.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >
> >I can't say for sure because I'm not yet running 2.6 kernel, but perhaps
> >it's lba32 option?
> >
> >Here are some of the lines from my lilo.conf:
> >
> >---
> >lba32
> >
> >boot=/dev/hda
> >
> >root=/dev/hda7
> >
> >image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.26-1-686
> > label=2.4.26-1-686
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.26-1-686
> > read-only
> >---
> >
> >Note the initrd option line in my "image" stanza for my 2.4.26 kernel.
> >
> >good luck
> >zen
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> after making changes in lilo.conf try typing lilo  also double check 
> your partitions.  last make sure you have the correct  modules 
> loaded/compiled.
> also try compiling with the -initrd option in make-kpkg
> 
> good luck
> paul


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Re: Commercial-grade application software

[Katipo]

jack kinnon wrote:
Hi folks,
 
I have now a working Linux system with an acceptable GUI and a 
broadband link for communication, all with freely available software. 
But without application software, they don't mean much. I'm looking 
for good application software in the areas of hardware and software 
design.
 
In hardware design, I'm looking for  E-CAD for analog and digital 
circuit design and simulation. Does SPICE run on Linux?
I like this one the best so far. I don't know about spice or e-cad, but 
Debian has programmes for these functions.

 
In software design, I'm looking for development environment for 
C/C++-based programs.
No need to look for sites, these applications are available on your 
machine all ready.
Just as user, type "aptitude" at the prompt, and when the ncurses based 
gui comes up, take a look through the sections marked "development" and 
"electronics."
Debian is almost entirely built on C/C++.
Anything you want to download, make a note of, and then download as root.

 
Recommendations and links to suitable sites would be appreciated.
 
Regards,
David.
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Re: Better file manager

[Katipo]

jack kinnon wrote:
Hi folks,
 
Is the file manager offered by KDE the best available for Debian 
GNU/Linux? As I mentioned before, it takes a long time to load up.
 
Hello again, Jack.
It totally depends on your needs.
What do you call a 'good' file manager?
Do you need one that has all the file-like icons?
I find that emelfm, gentoo and mc are all pretty good, but it takes a 
little bit of time to become familiar with them.
If you have them loaded, you'll find all the documentation for them in 
/usr/share/doc/.
Explore them, and all the others available, and settle on one to your 
tastes.
Regards,

David.
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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[Andrew Perrin]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, LeVA wrote:

> 2004. június 14. 22:29,
> Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > There's your problem. You need to mount the partition, not the block
> > device:
> >
> > mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
> >
> > I usually use the following:
> >
> > mount -tvfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
>
> For this, I get, "invalid block device" error.

What's the output of:

fdisk -l /dev/sda


as root?


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Steve Lamb]

Edward Murrell wrote:
> It's really a case of how much you want to fiddle with things. KDE is
> big on options. GNOME is big on setting the defaults for you (which by
> and large, I prefer, with the exception of that weird ass spatial
> nautilus thing).

Love to know why people are calling it a new thing.  Everything I've read
about the "spatial nautilus" being a "departure" from how GUI computing has
been done only reminds me of how I've been doing it for the past several years
in Win95-Win2k and OS/2.  Only more than 10 years now.  This is new?  To whom?

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Re: lpd printing problems to HP directjet card

[Barry Skidmore]

Kent,

The following printcap entry works fine for me with my networked HP LaserJet 
2100 TN.  The 'rp=text' line is suggested on HP's web site as the best way to 
prevent the 'stair-stepping' effect when text is printed.

Barry

lp|Remote printer entry:\
 :lp=:\
 :rm=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:\   <= put the printer's ip address here
 :rp=text:\
 :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\
 :mx#0:\
 :sh:

On Monday 14 June 2004 15:47, Kent Andersen wrote:
> anyone know how to make lpd work with the hp directjet network printer?
> I have been to about every website that shows how to use lpd but when i


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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Edward Murrell]

On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 09:10, Cecil wrote:
> I am curious as to what the pros and cons would be of picking just one 
> desktop and deleting the other. Please tell me which you prefer, and 
> resons why.  I have bothe kde and gnome now. Thanks,
> 
> Cecil
> 

It's really a case of how much you want to fiddle with things. KDE is
big on options. GNOME is big on setting the defaults for you (which by
and large, I prefer, with the exception of that weird ass spatial
nautilus thing).

As far as versions go, pretty much anything prior to KDE 3.0 and GNOME
2.2 is generally considered out of date (a fairly important point if you
are running stable).

Edward


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Re: Soundproblems: SOLVED

[Daniel Klein]

Hey,
this mostly to Justin, but probably to others as well who might be 
interested in helping me solve the mystery of HOW I solved my problem.

Justin's hint to actually use alsamixer for more than finding out the 
version of my alsa sent me on the right way. Scrolling all the way to 
the right in my alsamixer I found two tabs that I've not seen before in 
either WinXP or SuSE 7.2: ADC and DAC.

Now after exchanging a few mails with Justin, I know that ADC means 
analog to digital and DAC the inverse. The mystery now is: Why did my 
fresh install have the left channel set to zero in both ADC and DAC?

I'm pretty much out of this discussion, unless more information from me 
is needed to pinpoint the reason for the zero'ed left channel, as the 
problem for me is solved and I can go back to being a happy, happy 
debian user. I'm sure there's someone out there though who'll be 
interested in getting to the bottom of this. If not, fine too :)

Daniel
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Re: XConsole in Root Window with KDE

[Martin Fluch]

Basicaly xconsole is alright (beside that it takes space from the task 
bar), I thought maybe there is some programm which integrates just a 
little bit better to KDE (like docking to the panel)...

- Martin
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, s. keeling wrote:
Why do you need a kde app which replaces xconsole?  What's wrong with 
xconsole?

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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Steve Lamb]

s. keeling wrote:
> I gave up on both of those; they're equally uncontrollable, and far
> too fat to leave any room for actual applications to run.  ymmv.

Could've fooled me.

KDE + Squid + Addzapper + other stuff...

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Swap:   655344  26600 628744

531Mb's not enough?  Hmph.

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lpd printing problems to HP directjet card

[Kent Andersen]

anyone know how to make lpd work with the hp 
directjet network printer?
I have been to about every website that shows how 
to use lpd but when i 
send a print job using lpr to the printer it does 
the staircase problem. so I installed the 
filter which should keep that from happening, but 
alas it did not.
so then I got the foomatic-rip script and the 
associated  .ppd file for the printer. and it doesnt work at 
all
I have the a2gs installed so it shoud 
work.
 
it shouldnt be this difficult to get a plain text 
print going but Im having severe problems making this work 
correctly.
 
here is my printcap
 
lp|hp:\
:lp=/dev/null: 
\    

:force_localhost: 
\ 

:if=/var/spool/lpd/foomatic-rip: 
\  

:ppd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-Color_LaserJet_5M-Postscript.ppd: 
\  

:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp: 
\    

:rm=10.10.1.3:\ 

:mx#0:sh: 
 
 
With this printcap setting it doesnt print anywhere 
I do have this line placed in the .ppd file 
 
*FoomaticRIPPostPipe: "| /usr/bin/nc -w 1 hp 
9100"
 
 
 
anyone an old pro with this that can help me out? 

 
Thanks
 
Kent
  

Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Cecil:
> I am curious as to what the pros and cons would be of picking just one 
> desktop and deleting the other. Please tell me which you prefer, and 
> resons why.  I have bothe kde and gnome now. Thanks,

"We like both kinds; Country and Western."  *-)

I gave up on both of those; they're equally uncontrollable, and far
too fat to leave any room for actual applications to run.  ymmv.

fwiw.


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Re: newbie postfix/mta question

[John Redmond]

Ignatz Sol wrote:
I have set up postfix on a machine to send/receive mail.  Normal
install and seems fine EXCEPT that I don't think that port 110 is open
for POPing.  I can send mail fine but I can't get into the machine to
download mail.  I can't figure out what the problem is.  I cannot
telnet into the machine on port 110.
Can anyone clue me in to where I can start looking for the problem?
 

Postfix is an smtp server which sends and receives mail on port 25. If 
you want to  retreive mail from your Postfix box you first need to 
install (or activate) a POP3 server daemon and _then_ point a POP3 
capable client at it (port 110).  I don't know about debian, but 
slackware installs POPa3d for this purpose. Google "debian POP3" and 
you'll find something you can apt-get, or perhaps that's already installed.




 


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Jabber xdb_sql problems with oracle

[Bjoern Kiesbye]

Hi ,

I am runnig a Jabber Server which uses the xdb_sql component for oracle,
The Jabber Server (inc. xdb_sql) used to run well on a Suse 8.2
Distribution,  we moved to a Server with Debian Sarge installed (Kernel
2.4.26-1-686-smp) , and I'm having problems to get Jabbers xdb_sql
component running.

The Jabber Server works with xdb_file , but when I load xdb_sql into the
server (xdb_sql starts and logs into the oracle Server), the Thread System
(pth) crashes when the dnsrv(.so) component trys a fork().
I compiled and linked everythink on the new Debian Sarge System (Jabber
/xdb_sql / pth / Oracle Client).

Can anybody help me, I have no Idea what could be wrong (The thread
internals are out of my sight)

I put a stack trace below,

Thanks


Segmantation fault
#0  0x4076cf5c in __pthread_internal_tsd_get () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#1  0x4076b283 in __pthread_fork () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#2  0x400ddd38 in fork () from /lib/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
#3  0x4073bfaf in dnsrv_fork_and_capture (f=0x4073bd49 ,
di=0x816b320) at dnsrv.c:187
left_fds = {14, 15}
right_fds = {16, 17}
pid = 135758856
#4  0x4073ca20 in dnsrv_thread (arg=0x816b320) at dnsrv.c:427
di = 0x816b320
#5  0x0807f90a in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#6  0x0816b320 in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#7  0x in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#8  0xb738 in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#9  0x4007a5d4 in makecontext () from /lib/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
(More stack frames follow...)


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Re: Printing to USB printer

[Jacob S.]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:07:38 -0400
Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Many thanks, you have solved a problem that has been bugging me for a 
> long time. I noticed that scanner management software was installed 
> at the same time, I'll see what success I have with that before 
> calling on the community for a clue-by-4 again.

You don't mention which "Scanner management" software was installed. But
if sane, xsane, libgimp1.2 and their dependencies are installed, you
should be able to scan a document by going to File - Acquire - Xsane:
hpoj:mlc:usb:YourPrinter. Works for me with my HP G85.

HTH,
Jacob

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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[LeVA]

2004. június 14. 22:29,
Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> There's your problem. You need to mount the partition, not the block
> device:
> 
> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
> 
> I usually use the following:
> 
> mount -tvfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji

For this, I get, "invalid block device" error.

Daniel

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Re: newbie postfix/mta question

[Matthijs]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:30:24 +0200, Ignatz Sol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have set up postfix on a machine to send/receive mail.  Normal
> install and seems fine EXCEPT that I don't think that port 110 is open
> for POPing.  I can send mail fine but I can't get into the machine to
> download mail.  I can't figure out what the problem is.  I cannot
> telnet into the machine on port 110.
> 
> Can anyone clue me in to where I can start looking for the problem?

As far as I know, Postfix by itself does not handle the POPping of
messages - you need a separate program for this.

I've installed courier-pop, qpopper, cyrus-pop3d and dovecot-pop3d are
some possible alternatives.

Perhaps you should issue a 
ps -fe | grep -i pop
... and see if there's a pop3-server already running or not.
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KDE Package

[Jack Kinnel]

Using apt-get I have down loaded and installed KDE 
form my Debian discs.
 
I am having problems getting kde stated.  I 
believe there are some environmental settings I should make.
 
Can you lead me to a location where I can get 
installation documentation on this package.  I have tried KDE.ORG but when 
I click the anchor to environment variable I get a response the page can not be 
displayed.
 
Thank You,
 
Jack Kinnell
 
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Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

[Cecil]

I am curious as to what the pros and cons would be of picking just one 
desktop and deleting the other. Please tell me which you prefer, and 
resons why.  I have bothe kde and gnome now. Thanks,

Cecil
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Re: Xfce4 dies instead of prompting when I click the logout button on the panel.

[Adam Funk]

On Monday 14 June 2004 16:00, Hamilton Coutinho wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:40:57PM +, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On Friday 11 June 2004 20:50, Hamilton Coutinho wrote:
>> 
>> > Same thing here. Did you also notice that the icons appear clipped
>> > on the panel now?
>> 
>> No, my panel looks the same.
> 
> May be triggered by a (relatively) low resolution. I'm forced to use
> 1024x768 (no support for 1152x864 -- damn 865G card/i810 driver). What
> is yours?

I'm limited to 1024x768 by my monitor rather than graphics card.

>> > I'm not sure but I bet on the GTK upgrade from a week
>> > ago.
>> 
>> Could be.  Is there a bug report?
> 
> Actually, there is
> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=253971).

That report refers only to the icons.  I'm not having that problem!


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Re: Re: Network Adapter Problem!

[Dan Williamson]

I have already replied to this problem but I will 
try again.
 
The card you are referring to (DFE 530TX I think it 
was) ships as both a 8139 and a via-rhine. It was a relatively trivial 
task to compile (make install) the rhinefet.o driver and it works perfectly. I 
could not get it to work with via-rhine.o as someone else suggested. It is a 
via-rhine III not via-rhine II
 
regards,
 
Dan Williamson
 

Re: Better file manager

[Ignatz Sol]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:30:11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But the previously mentioned 'mc' is the one I use for most everything.
> It's nice too in that you can run it from a console with mouse support,
> as well as from an xterm in X. It's always about the first package I add
> after a new install.
> 
> Tom
> 

Wow, I'm a newb and had never heard of mc.  It's really great!  I love
being able to use it on the command line with the mouse.  Thanks for
the tip!


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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[Andrew Perrin]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, stephen parkinson wrote:

> Andrew Perrin wrote:
> > ...
> >I usually use the following:
> >
> >mount -tvfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
> >
> >
>
> >mount -t vfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
> >
> >
> ?^
>
> is the space reqd ?

No - those two are equivalent.


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Re: Why is there no GNU Zebra package in testing / unstable?

[Florian Ernst]

Hello!

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 12:59:42PM -0700, Brent Miller wrote:
> Is it under a different name and I just can't find it? Is there
> something that people recommend that I use instead?

From :
|[Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:45:22 -0400] [ftpmaster: James Troup]
|Removed the following packages from unstable:
|
| zebra |0.93b-4 | source, alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, 
powerpc, s390, sparc
| zebra-doc |0.93b-4 | all
|Closed bugs: 208786
|
|--- Reason ---
|ROM; orphaned upstream, superseded by zebra-pj and/or quagga.
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Re: Printing to USB printer

[Curt Howland]

On Monday 14 June 2004 14:55 it was so written:
> Install the hpoj package, and let it talk to the USB port of your
> printer. It should detect the printer automatically, if you are
> lucky.  Everything else must be configured to talk to your printer
> through hpoj ("ptal" or "mlc" interface), NOT directly through the
> USB port.
>
> Since you like KDE, you may want to install the hpoj-xojpanel
> package as well.
>
> Install the hpijs package, it is needed to process the data that
> goes to the printer.  Install the gs-afpl OR the gs-gpl package,
> for the same reason.
>
> Install all foomatic-* packages.  Restart cupsys (the printing
> system) just in case (as root, command /etc/init.d/cupsys restart).
>  Cupsys is the printing control service behind KDE's printing
> system, so you probably have a nice GUI for that, but I don't know
> exactly where. kprint is probably it.

hpoj package installed, along with the other suggestions, using 
dselect. Done.

hpoj did indeed detect printer correctly.

Restarting cupsys was unsuccessful. There were multiple ptal processes 
running, and cupsys would die but not come back up. Rebooting caused 
everything to come up correctly.

> Configure cupsys (through the kde interface, maybe, or directly
> using your browser to http://localhost:631) and add a printer that
> is configured to talk to the *ptal* port where your PSC2210 is
> (ptal means that data will go through hpoj).   Select the proper
> model in the database. Remember to look under "HP" *and*
> Hewlet­Packard.  Get the driver that says hpijs.  The best driver
> for my Deskjet 5550 was under "HP".

Using "Peripherals:Printers" in KDE Control Center.

Drivers for the PSC2210 listed under both HEWLET PACKARD and HP, 
however the HP driver did not specifically say hpijs. Suggestion 
taken, hpijs driver installed.

Success, test page printed correctly.

> That should be it.
>
> I can't help much to track down permission problems, though.  The
> logs under /var/log are your friends.  Good luck.

Luck has little to do with it. Experience has everything to do with 
making this sort of thing work. I think it is time to get together 
and write and HP Printer HowTo. Actually, your email pretty much does 
it. I'm glad this will be in the archives for people to find.

Many thanks, you have solved a problem that has been bugging me for a 
long time. I noticed that scanner management software was installed 
at the same time, I'll see what success I have with that before 
calling on the community for a clue-by-4 again.

Peace, may your aim never waver,

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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[stephen parkinson]

Andrew Perrin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, LeVA wrote:
 

Hi!
I want to download the pictures from a fuji digital camera.
   

Hi - I use a fuji finepix 310 with no problems.
 

When I plug it in the usb port, my kernel detects the camera:
---###---
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage
devices
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Vendor: FUJIFILM  Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT
Rev: 1.00
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1,
channel 0, id 0, lun 0
   

... good, so the card is available as drive sda
 

Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: SCSI device sda: 32000 512-byte hdwr
sectors (16 MB)
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 611
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:  sda: sda1
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity
not assured
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 2
---###---
And after I try to mount it (mount /dev/sda /mnt/fuji):
   

There's your problem. You need to mount the partition, not the block
device:
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
I usually use the following:
mount -tvfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
 


mount -t vfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji
 

?^
is the space reqd ?
which will allow normal users to access the filesystem.
Cheers,
Andy
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Re: newbie postfix/mta question

[John W. Fleming]

On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 15:20, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 12:34:27PM -0400, Ignatz Sol wrote:
> > I have set up postfix on a machine to send/receive mail.  Normal
> > install and seems fine EXCEPT that I don't think that port 110 is open
> > for POPing.  I can send mail fine but I can't get into the machine to
> > download mail.  I can't figure out what the problem is.  I cannot
> > telnet into the machine on port 110.
> > 
> > Can anyone clue me in to where I can start looking for the problem?
> 
> You are aware that Postfix doesn't provide POP function, right?  You
> need to install a separate POP3 or IMAP server.

apt-get install ipopd if you need a simple pop server.

I just did this 5 minutes ago - works great!  - John


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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[Tom Badran]

On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 22:17 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> And after I try to mount it (mount /dev/sda /mnt/fuji):
> 
> Jun 14 20:43:49 leva kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 0
> Jun 14 20:43:49 leva kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on 
> dev 08:00.
> 
> What could be the problem?

/dev/sda is the physical drive, to mount the disk it will likely be sda1
or sda2 you need to mount.

Tom


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Re: Better file manager

[LeVA]

2004. június 14. 21:30,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 06:47:46AM -0700, jack kinnon wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >  
> > Is the file manager offered by KDE the best available for Debian 
GNU/Linux? As I mentioned before, it takes a long time to load up.
> >  
> > Cheers
> >  
> 
http://krusader.sf.net

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Using exim4 and fetchmail with imap and authenticated smtp

[Tom Badran]

Im using exim4 and fetchmail to recieve email from an imap server using
tls, and send using authenticated smtp on an smtp host at the same site.
However, when i look over the headers of emails i send, i see lots of
them contain [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is my local username, rather than the
email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is this normal and am i being paranoid? I set up all the packages making
as little modification as possible to what debconf produced. I made a
few changes to get authenticated smtp working, and did my fetchmail by
hand and it all seems to work, i just worry about things ;)

Thanks

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Re: accessing a fuji digital camera

[Andrew Perrin]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, LeVA wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I want to download the pictures from a fuji digital camera.

Hi - I use a fuji finepix 310 with no problems.

> When I plug it in the usb port, my kernel detects the camera:
>
> ---###---
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage
> devices
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Vendor: FUJIFILM  Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT
> Rev: 1.00
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access
> ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1,
> channel 0, id 0, lun 0

... good, so the card is available as drive sda

> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: SCSI device sda: 32000 512-byte hdwr
> sectors (16 MB)
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 611
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:  sda: sda1
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity
> not assured
> Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 2
> ---###---
>
> And after I try to mount it (mount /dev/sda /mnt/fuji):

There's your problem. You need to mount the partition, not the block
device:

mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji

I usually use the following:

mount -tvfat -oumask= /dev/sda1 /mnt/fuji

which will allow normal users to access the filesystem.

Cheers,
Andy


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Re: newbie postfix/mta question

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 12:34:27PM -0400, Ignatz Sol wrote:
> I have set up postfix on a machine to send/receive mail.  Normal
> install and seems fine EXCEPT that I don't think that port 110 is open
> for POPing.  I can send mail fine but I can't get into the machine to
> download mail.  I can't figure out what the problem is.  I cannot
> telnet into the machine on port 110.
> 
> Can anyone clue me in to where I can start looking for the problem?

You are aware that Postfix doesn't provide POP function, right?  You
need to install a separate POP3 or IMAP server.
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accessing a fuji digital camera

[LeVA]

Hi!

I want to download the pictures from a fuji digital camera.
When I plug it in the usb port, my kernel detects the camera:

---###---
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage 
devices
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Vendor: FUJIFILM  Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT 
Rev: 1.00
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, 
channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: SCSI device sda: 32000 512-byte hdwr 
sectors (16 MB)
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 611
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel:  sda: sda1
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity 
not assured
Jun 14 20:40:22 leva kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 2
---###---

And after I try to mount it (mount /dev/sda /mnt/fuji):

Jun 14 20:43:49 leva kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 0
Jun 14 20:43:49 leva kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on 
dev 08:00.

What could be the problem?

Thanks!

Daniel

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Re: 2.6.6 ignores tulip (DC21041)

[David Sanders]

On Monday 14 June 2004 11:38 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm stumped on this one. I've been playing around for a while with
> 2.6.6 on AMD (x86), trying to get it to recognise my DEC 21041
> (tulip) PCI network card. FWIW, 2.4.25 and earlier all work fine with
> it.
>
> I've googled (web and news), and generally had a look around but
> cannot see anyone else having similar problems.
>
> I run it at 10 MBit/s half duplex. The modules.conf line for 2.4.25
> is "alias eth0 tulip". The equivalent for 2.6.6 might be "alias eth0
> de2104x", but I'm still getting my head round the new modutils stuff.
>
> At boot the card appears to be recognised, and everything looks like
> it's been initialised correctly. However, I never see any data
> packets.
>
> Ideas, anyone, before I report a formal bug?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris

Are you using DHCP with woody?  If so, edit /sbin/dhclient to include 
2.6.x kernels.
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Re: Better file manager

[TPfeifer]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 06:47:46AM -0700, jack kinnon wrote:
> Hi folks,
>  
> Is the file manager offered by KDE the best available for Debian GNU/Linux? As I 
> mentioned before, it takes a long time to load up.
>  
> Cheers
>  

There's quite a few others, and it comes down to personal preference.
But the previously mentioned 'mc' is the one I use for most everything.
It's nice too in that you can run it from a console with mouse support,
as well as from an xterm in X. It's always about the first package I add 
after a new install.

Tom


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Why is there no GNU Zebra package in testing / unstable?

[Brent Miller]

Is it under a different name and I just can't find it? Is there
something that people recommend that I use instead?

Thanks,
Brent


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Prueba

[JG]

Esto es un mensaje de prueba.

JG

Re: Soundproblems: Only right channel (unstable / 2.6.6 / terratec xfire 1024 (cs46xx))

[Justin Guerin]

On Monday 14 June 2004 13:10, Daniel Klein wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I recently installed a fresh debian on my box (I need not really mention
> how happy I am with everything so far - that would only seem like
> flattery to get more willing helpers - so instead I will mention this
> fact and hope to get more willing helpers through my great insight into
> internet communication :P). I used to run SuSE 7.2 before, with an Alsa
> of version 0.5 something. Lots of things did not work there, but normal
> playback of PCM worked fine. Now the situation is reversed: Lots of
> things work very well with Alsa 1.0.4 (I believe it's 1.0.4 - that's
> what alsamixer says - any way I can use apt-cache to find out which
> version of alsa I have installed?), but there is a problem with normal
> sound playback (read wav, mp3, ogg, whathaveyou): For some strange
> reason, only the right channel plays. Right before I installed this
> fresh debian I was using Win XP, and I remember very well that this
> problem did not exist. It did not exist in my SuSE either. It's been
> like this for weeks now, I frequently change between speakers and
> headphones, so I'm rather sure it's nothing to do with either speakers
> or connector on the soundcard.
>
> I am using debian unstable, kernel 2.6.6, alsa 1.0.4 (presumably), my
> card is a Terratex XFire 1024 which runs the cs46xx chip (I remember
> this information to be correct back from my alsa setup in SuSE). If
> there's any other information about my system that'd be relevant, any
> conf files or anything, ask away.
>
> Thank you for your attention already,
>
> Daniel Klein

Hi Daniel,

Use alsamixer and check that the master and pcm devices have both channels 
unmuted to the same level.  Normal alsa configuration is everything muted, 
so I'm not sure how one channel could have been adjusted without the other, 
but it's an easy solution if that's the problem, so give that a quick 
whirl.  Also, I can't think of another reason only one channel would play, 
besides a hardware problem.  And it sounds like you're sure this is not the 
case.

Hope that helps,
Justin Guerin


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Question about X Window Crashing

[Haoyu Zhang]

Dear Friends,

I am a new user of Debian and just installed it in an old Dell
machine, Dell Optiplex with PIII 500. The installation went 
through well, but I met problems of X Window setting.

The X Window can start correctly. However, after letting it 
idle for a while, like one day, the system crashes and reports 
error saying:

"I cannot find the X Server (your graphical interface). It is 
likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view 
the X server output to diagnose the problem?"

I chose "Yes" and it gives me some information. It seems that 
everything is set to be default or generic. And the fatal error 
is "No screens found."

Then it asked me whether I want to run X configuration. I did 
and found that I can do nothing except for moving the small 
arrow with keyboard. I even can't find way to exit it. And I 
had to reset the computer to restart.

I do feel strange. The X Server starts well, but why does it 
crash after long time idling? I was wondering whether it is 
the data switch that caused this. I connected two computers 
with a switch. The other one is M$ Win2000. But this can't 
explain why it won't crash after a short term idling.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

Best Wishes,
Haoyu


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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Joachim Reichel:
> [someone]:
> >Another idea is to put the 100dpi and 75dpi unscaled fonts near the
> >beginning of the font path.
> 
> That did not help.

Try moving 75dpi ahead of 100dpi (or vice versa, depending what you
have now).


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Re: XConsole in Root Window with KDE

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Martin Fluch:
> 
> Is there a possibility to get the messages send to /dev/xconsole vissible 
> on the root window whilest running KDE (in my case the latest version 
> comming with Debian unstable)?
> 
> Or alternatively, is there a KDE application which replaces the "xconsole" 
> application which comes along with the xbase-clients package?

Why do you need a kde app which replaces xconsole?  What's wrong with
xconsole? 


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Re: [Fwd: New Bitstream technology comes to Linux and Desktop/LX]

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, David Palmer wrote:

> This is a newsletter from the Lycoris Linux commercial distribution,
> concerning something new in font/font management.
> I'm not aware of the licencing details (I would be very surprised if it
> could be classified as 'free'). Point the first.

It's not remotely free.  (Though Bitstream have made the
specification for the underlying formats open so at the very least a free
as in beer clone could be made.  Perhaps free as in speech.  I looked
at the licenses a long time ago.)

> Point the second: There seems to be an ever accelerating interest in the
> proprietary section toward incorporating free/open source software into
> "hybrid" environments. This has a double implication for me - (1)
> Proprietary vendors wanting to incorporate FOSS to extend and enhance
> marketability of their product/s. (2) The possibility of proprietary
> interests incorporating FOSS into their productline,

Nothing wrong with that.

> and then by way of
> this assuming a legal posture in the possession aspect.

How could they?  By using GPL licensed products they have agreed not to do
that.

> Point the third: Lycoris is based on a Caldera base, and I'm not sure
> how this would stand with the SCO situation.

Again I don't see how it could.

> But it looks good, as all dangerous toys do, so I thought that it might
> be of interest anyway.
> Regards,

Meh.  Maybe some font fetishists will be interested in this but I can't
see 99.9% of Linux users caring.  Certainly not enough to switch
distributions for it. Freetype2 with proper tweaking gives excellent
quality fonts.

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defoma & symbol.ttf

[Martin D. Weinberg]

I'd like to use gnuplot's 'enhanced' font mode for png or jpeg which
requires a ttf symbol font.

Does anyone know how to install symbol.ttf using defoma?  (Or better
yet, perhaps it's already in some package?)

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Soundproblems: Only right channel (unstable / 2.6.6 / terratec xfire 1024 (cs46xx))

[Daniel Klein]

Hey all,
I recently installed a fresh debian on my box (I need not really mention 
how happy I am with everything so far - that would only seem like 
flattery to get more willing helpers - so instead I will mention this 
fact and hope to get more willing helpers through my great insight into 
internet communication :P). I used to run SuSE 7.2 before, with an Alsa 
of version 0.5 something. Lots of things did not work there, but normal 
playback of PCM worked fine. Now the situation is reversed: Lots of 
things work very well with Alsa 1.0.4 (I believe it's 1.0.4 - that's 
what alsamixer says - any way I can use apt-cache to find out which 
version of alsa I have installed?), but there is a problem with normal 
sound playback (read wav, mp3, ogg, whathaveyou): For some strange 
reason, only the right channel plays. Right before I installed this 
fresh debian I was using Win XP, and I remember very well that this 
problem did not exist. It did not exist in my SuSE either. It's been 
like this for weeks now, I frequently change between speakers and 
headphones, so I'm rather sure it's nothing to do with either speakers 
or connector on the soundcard.

I am using debian unstable, kernel 2.6.6, alsa 1.0.4 (presumably), my 
card is a Terratex XFire 1024 which runs the cs46xx chip (I remember 
this information to be correct back from my alsa setup in SuSE). If 
there's any other information about my system that'd be relevant, any 
conf files or anything, ask away.

Thank you for your attention already,
Daniel Klein
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Re: problem while update to kernel 2.6.6

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 01:01, J. Preiss wrote:
> I have exactly the same message on the screen. 
> I think it has something todo with this initrd-option (which I ignored of 
> course...). My device is 305 (3,5). 

man lilo.conf may help

> Am Montag, 14. Juni 2004 09:10 schrieb Jinzhi Lei:
> > Dear all,
> >  While I update the the kernel from 2.2 to 2.6.6, I had the following
> > question: VFS: Cannot open root device "1606" or unknown-block(22,6)
> >  Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> >  Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,6)
> >
> > But I had root=/dev/hdc6 at the file LILO.conf. Who can tell me how to
> > resolve this problem? Thank you.

I can't say for sure because I'm not yet running 2.6 kernel, but perhaps
it's lba32 option?

Here are some of the lines from my lilo.conf:

---
lba32

boot=/dev/hda

root=/dev/hda7

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.26-1-686
label=2.4.26-1-686
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.26-1-686
read-only
---

Note the initrd option line in my "image" stanza for my 2.4.26 kernel.

good luck
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Re: Printing to USB printer

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Curt Howland wrote:
> Ok, I'm begging.
> 
> On sid, USB HP PSC2210. KInfo sees the printer when plugged in and 
> powered up. Kprint has the HP driver. All print jobs vanish, however 
> and nothing prints.

Note: I do not use KDE or GNOME, and I have my deskjet 5550 (similar to your
PSC2210) configured manually.  Still, here's something that may help you.

Install the hpoj package, and let it talk to the USB port of your printer.
It should detect the printer automatically, if you are lucky.  Everything
else must be configured to talk to your printer through hpoj ("ptal" or
"mlc" interface), NOT directly through the USB port.

Since you like KDE, you may want to install the hpoj-xojpanel package as
well.

Install the hpijs package, it is needed to process the data that goes to the
printer.  Install the gs-afpl OR the gs-gpl package, for the same reason.

Install all foomatic-* packages.  Restart cupsys (the printing system)
just in case (as root, command /etc/init.d/cupsys restart).  Cupsys is the
printing control service behind KDE's printing system, so you probably
have a nice GUI for that, but I don't know exactly where. kprint is probably
it.

Configure cupsys (through the kde interface, maybe, or directly using your
browser to http://localhost:631) and add a printer that is configured to
talk to the *ptal* port where your PSC2210 is (ptal means that data will go
through hpoj).   Select the proper model in the database. Remember to look
under "HP" *and* Hewlet­Packard.  Get the driver that says hpijs.  The best
driver for my Deskjet 5550 was under "HP".

That should be it.

I can't help much to track down permission problems, though.  The logs under
/var/log are your friends.  Good luck.

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Printing to USB printer

[Curt Howland]

Ok, I'm begging.

On sid, USB HP PSC2210. KInfo sees the printer when plugged in and 
powered up. Kprint has the HP driver. All print jobs vanish, however 
and nothing prints.

I would really appreciate getting into a dialog with someone who has 
done this, so we can figure out where this configuration has gone 
wrong. I've seen some references to "permissions", but it is not in 
the documentation where to look for that.

Thank you.

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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Joachim Reichel]

Hi,
Another idea is to put the 100dpi and 75dpi unscaled fonts near the
beginning of the font path.
That did not help.
The font you're seeing looks like some fancy font that tries to be
cute.  Hm.  So perhaps try to find the font and remove it from your
system ;-)
I looked through all font families with xfontsel, but couldn't spot the font 
in question. Is there a better way to do this?

Joachim
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Re: Mozilla thunderbird crashes when opening attachments

[Alexander Sack]

thanks however right click on any attachment pdf, sxc, jpg and select 
open. THey all crash

Does thunderbird crash itself or 'just' the apps started by the open 
dialog??

If so, does thunderbird crash if you select "save as.." too, or just 
when trying to open?

If it crashes too, please state the filename (maybe there any special 
non-ASCII characters in
the attachments filename?)

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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Sudarshana Koushik]

Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:00:10PM +0200, Joachim Reichel wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > the menu font in my xemacs is really ugly (I've uploaded a screenshot to 
> > http://www.joachim-reichel.de/tmp/xemacs.png). I know how to set the fonts 
> > for the editor window, but not for the menu.
> > 
> > I do not notice font problems in other applications (KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, 
> > ...). But xfontsel shows the same ugly font as default. I don't care about 
> > xfontsel, but it seems that the problem is not xemacs-related.
> > 
> > X packages: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
> > xfs-xtt:1.4.1.xf430-5
> > 
> > I don't know where to start searching. The problem persists for some time 
> > now, so I don't know what change lead to it.
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> 
> I don't know how to change the menu font directly (at least I don't
> remember) but IIRC a workaround is to change the order of the fonts
> paths in XF86Config since they are search in order until an appropriate
> font is found.
> 

One way to change the menu fonts directly is to add these line to
~/.Xresources.

Emacs.pane.menubar.font:  -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--14-130-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1
Emacs.menu*.font:  -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--14-80-100-100-p-*-iso10646-1

Ofcourse you can try different fonts instead of my settings. You will
need to do xrdb -merge .Xresources and restart emacs, from the same
xterm in which the xrdb was typed. Ofcourse this need not be done
each login, as the .Xresources file is read at the beginning of each
login.

-Sudarshan


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Re: Better file manager

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 06:47:46AM -0700, jack kinnon wrote:

> Is the file manager offered by KDE the best available for Debian
> GNU/Linux? As I mentioned before, it takes a long time to load up.

Define "best".

The fastest I've used is mc (curses-only, no graphics).  If you want
something nearly identical to Windows Explorer, its xfe.  Xfe is actually
pretty speedy, loading in less than a second. TKdesk is also very fast.

I use mc for most things, actually.
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Re: gDesklets

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 the mental interface of
Derrik Pates told:

> Ed Sutherland wrote:
> >I'm using the PPC Debian distro. I'd like to try gDesklets for my Gnome 
> >environment. Does anyone have experience with gDeskets? I have a few 
> >questions. I click on the gDesklets icon and nothing happens -- at least 
> >no windows or sign of anything happening. What gDeskets work on a 
> >PPC-based system? (For instance, starterbar.display complains the sensor 
> >is broken and there is a problem with the starterbar.display file.) Thanks.
> 
> Yeah, that one appears to be pretty broken - or was the last time I 
> tried it anyway. I actually have several that I have (or had) used, 
 Well, you'll find a very small icon on your desktop. Go to
 ~/.gdesklests/My Starters/blah.foo/ edit home.display. The Icon
 entry needs the complete path definition. After komplete them, you
 can use all foo.desktop. I've just copied some out of main menu

 Ciao

 Elimar


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Re: gDesklets

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 the mental interface of
Ed Sutherland told:

> I'm using the PPC Debian distro. I'd like to try gDesklets for my Gnome 
> environment. Does anyone have experience with gDeskets? I have a few 
> questions. I click on the gDesklets icon and nothing happens -- at least 
> no windows or sign of anything happening. What gDeskets work on a 
> PPC-based system? (For instance, starterbar.display complains the sensor 
> is broken and there is a problem with the starterbar.display file.) Thanks.

Once you have installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data you have to
tell the system which display or sensor, which can be find in
/usr/share/gdesklets, you want to use.

Just fire up nautilus, scroll to /usr/share/gdesklets/Display choose
one, configure it (RMB|) and enjoy! i. e. the starterbar has an
behaviour like OSX. You can combine it with
http://www.aqua-soft.org/board/index.php?showtopic=6446
you can run an OSX-like desktop...

But first you have to man gdesklet ;-)

Ciao

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Re: gDesklets

[Derrik Pates]

Ed Sutherland wrote:
I'm using the PPC Debian distro. I'd like to try gDesklets for my Gnome 
environment. Does anyone have experience with gDeskets? I have a few 
questions. I click on the gDesklets icon and nothing happens -- at least 
no windows or sign of anything happening. What gDeskets work on a 
PPC-based system? (For instance, starterbar.display complains the sensor 
is broken and there is a problem with the starterbar.display file.) Thanks.
Yeah, that one appears to be pretty broken - or was the last time I 
tried it anyway. I actually have several that I have (or had) used, 
which you can see at http://newcastle.devrandom.net/~demon/pb-ss.png. I 
did have to patch some sensor code to properly display CPU info for my 
PowerBook, and I had to fix the wireless and network sensors to properly 
parse the output of iwconfig and to unpack IP addresses properly 
(apparently the author has never heard of big-endian systems). If you 
want my patches, let me know.

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Re: XMX for Debian?

[paul]

Quoting Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 06:00, Mark Roach wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 14:38 +0300, Kalle Tuulos wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I am trying to make a similar system for X like the "screen" does for
> > > console, i.e. I would be able to use the same X screen both from work
> > > and home. It seems that XMX would be solution for this.
> >
> > VNC is another, already packaged solution. There is a lot of info on the
> > web on setting up/using it. The rfb package is a good tool to combine
> > with vnc, install it and run x0rfbserver from within your X session,
> > then connect using the vnc client to access it.
>
> Or maybe establish an ssh-tunnel(with compression) and do an XDMCP
> request to get a login. It has worked for others here on this list. I
> know it works.
>

My understanding was XDMCP uses UDP packets and there for could not be tunneled
through SSH which only allows TCP to be tunneled.  If I am wrong I am
definitely interested in using XDMCP instead of running a seperate process to
enable remote logins and would appreciate more info.  I know VNC can be used
with SSH but my attempts of using XDMCP and SSH have failed.

Paul



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Re: Commercial-grade application software

[Kent West]

jack kinnon wrote:
Hi folks,
 
I have now a working Linux system with an acceptable GUI and a 
broadband link for communication, all with freely available software. 
But without application software, they don't mean much. I'm looking 
for good application software in the areas of hardware and software 
design.
 
In hardware design, I'm looking for  E-CAD for analog and digital 
circuit design and simulation. Does SPICE run on Linux?
 
In software design, I'm looking for development environment for 
C/C++-based programs.
 
Recommendations and links to suitable sites would be appreciated.
 


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk:> apt-cache search spice
gnucap - GNU Circuit Analysis package
gwave - a waveform viewer eg for spice simulators
oregano - GNOME application for schematic capture of electrical circuits
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk:> apt-cache search design | grep 
circuit
tkgate - Event driven digital circuit simulator with Tcl/Tk
eagle - Printed circuit board design tool

google for "linux e-cad" or "linux circuit design simulation" or "linux 
spice" etc

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Re: Better file manager

[Kent West]

jack kinnon wrote:
Hi folks,
 
Is the file manager offered by KDE the best available for Debian 
GNU/Linux? As I mentioned before, it takes a long time to load up.
 

That depends entirely on personal preference, and what you're using it for.
And are you saying that Konqueror takes a long time to load up, or KDE 
takes a long time? If the latter, perhaps you're not asking about "the 
file manager" but rather the windowing environment? If that's the case, 
then lots of window managers are smaller/faster/lighter than KDE. If 
you're really asking about Konqueror, I would be surprised that it's 
taking a very long time to start up, as most of Konqueror loads in the 
background as part of KDE's loading process.

You might be interested in mc, gmc, xnc, xfm, xfe, xffm4, etc etc etc 
(see "apt-cache search file | grep manager" for more possibilities). 
Take your pick and give it a spin.

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SOLVED Re: newbie postfix/mta question

[Ignatz Sol]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:34:27 -0400, Ignatz Sol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I have set up postfix on a machine to send/receive mail.  Normal
> install and seems fine EXCEPT that I don't think that port 110 is open
> for POPing.  I can send mail fine but I can't get into the machine to
> download mail.  I can't figure out what the problem is.  I cannot
> telnet into the machine on port 110.
> 
> Can anyone clue me in to where I can start looking for the problem?
> 

Sorry, I had not set up ipopd as a pop server!  Easy answer.  I have
been scratching my head about this for more than a day, but within
minutes of posting I had solved it.  Why does that happen???


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[Fwd: New Bitstream technology comes to Linux and Desktop/LX]

[David Palmer]

This is a newsletter from the Lycoris Linux commercial distribution,
concerning something new in font/font management.
I'm not aware of the licencing details (I would be very surprised if it
could be classified as 'free'). Point the first.
Point the second: There seems to be an ever accelerating interest in the
proprietary section toward incorporating free/open source software into
"hybrid" environments. This has a double implication for me - (1)
Proprietary vendors wanting to incorporate FOSS to extend and enhance
marketability of their product/s. (2) The possibility of proprietary
interests incorporating FOSS into their productline, and then by way of
this assuming a legal posture in the possession aspect.
Point the third: Lycoris is based on a Caldera base, and I'm not sure
how this would stand with the SCO situation.
But it looks good, as all dangerous toys do, so I thought that it might
be of interest anyway.
Regards,

David.



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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:06:34 -0700



New Font Technology Comes to Linux - only in Desktop/LX 1.4




 Dear Lycoris Customer,

We normally don't send our press releases out to our userbase. We're
going to make an exception this one time. This is such groundbreaking
news in Linux that we just felt we had to share it with you. We have
teamed up with Bitstream to bring new font rendering technology to
Linux. We are replacing Freetype in Desktop/LX 1.4 with a new technology
called btX2. btX2 is a font rendering system including the Font Fusion
rendering engine that is the fastest in the world, and includes
unequaled hinting technology. What does this mean for our users? Quite
simply the fastest and best-looking font experience available in Linux.

If this were something that other companies offered, you'd only see our
usual set of announcements. However, this is the very first time
something like this has been done in the Linux desktop arena, and we
felt you'd want to know about it. Desktop/LX 1.4 is going to be setting
the pace yet once again. Clearer fonts, and faster page & window
rendering with btX2 will be just one of the great featuresets!
Desktop/LX is the first company to use this great technology on the
Linux desktop.

Our press release about this is below. You can see for yourself why
we're proud to call Bitstream a preferred technology partner. You can
also see our Sneak Peek series of webpages, announcing new features and
things you'll be seeing in Desktop/LX 1.4. Technical specifications,
project capabilities and more are below.

Best regards,
The Lycoris Team




Lycoris Licenses btX2 Font Engine from Bitstream

Leader in Linux desktop consumer market to bring high-quality font
rendering and character hinting to Linux

MAPLE VALLEY, WA and CAMBRIDGE, MA - June 10, 2004 - Lycoris and
Bitstream Inc. (NASDAQ: BITS) announced today that Lycoris will license
the btX2 font rendering engine and a core set of 13 delta-hinted screen
fonts from Bitstream for its entire product line, including Desktop/LX
Personal, Desktop/LX InterConnect, and Desktop/LX Tablet Edition,
replacing the current Freetype system.

“Lycoris commitment to desktop usability extends even to the font
rendering system,” said Joseph Cheek, CEO of Lycoris. “The inclusion of
the additional set of core fonts, as well as the btX2 font engine, gives
our users enhanced viewing capabilities. We are excited to partner with
industry powerhouse Bitstream to ensure that our users experiences with
our products are not just enjoyable, but exceptional.”

“btX2 gives Linux developers a complete solution in one license
agreement from one vendor,” said Anna Chagnon, President and CEO of
Bitstream. “Were trying to make it easier for developers to bring a
great look-and-feel to the Linux desktop. Users have been spoiled by
what theyve seen on other desktop systems, and are demanding smooth,
clear text that is easy to read. Now they can get this solution from
Lycoris. Its a pleasure working with the leader in the Linux desktop
consumer market.”

“The engineering team at Lycoris has been outstanding,” stated Shawn
Flynn, Senior Software Engineer of Bitstream. “We were able to work
together on issues surrounding btX2, and solve them immediately. Our
engineering team made certain that Lycoris was able to take advantage of
btX2s support for native TrueType hinting and anti-aliasing, as these
were critical factors in bringing readability to Desktop/LX.”

About btX2

Key Features
  * Provides high-quality text rendering, fine-tuned for the output
device
  * Scales characters on the fly
  * Renders native hints, which retain distinguishing character
features
  * Smooths jagged character edges using anti-aliasing technology
  * Supports multilingual fonts, including two-byte character sets
  * Supports Unicode and native encodings

Cor

2.6.6 ignores tulip (DC21041)

[chris-usenet]

I'm stumped on this one. I've been playing around for a while with
2.6.6 on AMD (x86), trying to get it to recognise my DEC 21041 (tulip)
PCI network card. FWIW, 2.4.25 and earlier all work fine with it.

I've googled (web and news), and generally had a look around but cannot
see anyone else having similar problems.

I run it at 10 MBit/s half duplex. The modules.conf line for 2.4.25 is
"alias eth0 tulip". The equivalent for 2.6.6 might be "alias eth0 de2104x",
but I'm still getting my head round the new modutils stuff.

At boot the card appears to be recognised, and everything looks like
it's been initialised correctly. However, I never see any data packets.

Ideas, anyone, before I report a formal bug?

Thanks,
Chris


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trouble adding window manager to GDM

[Philipp Bliedung]

Hello,
I am running Debian unstable and updated to Gnome 2.6 this past weekend. 
After the update (and an update to the newest version of gdm 2.4.4.7-3) 
I can't select any other window managers from the GDM login-screen.

I want to add blackbox and Xfce4.
I created a file named "Blackbox" in /etc/gdm/Sessions/ and added
exec /usr/bin/blackbox
I made this file executable (chmod 755), but when I log off and restart 
gdm I only have the same options I had before. I can't choose anything 
other that Gnome.

Any ideas?
Thanks a lot.
Philipp
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newbie postfix/mta question

[Ignatz Sol]

I have set up postfix on a machine to send/receive mail.  Normal
install and seems fine EXCEPT that I don't think that port 110 is open
for POPing.  I can send mail fine but I can't get into the machine to
download mail.  I can't figure out what the problem is.  I cannot
telnet into the machine on port 110.

Can anyone clue me in to where I can start looking for the problem?


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Re: problem while update to kernel 2.6.6

[J. Preiss]

I have exactly the same message on the screen. 
I think it has something todo with this initrd-option (which I ignored of 
course...). My device is 305 (3,5). 

Am Montag, 14. Juni 2004 09:10 schrieb Jinzhi Lei:
> Dear all,
>  While I update the the kernel from 2.2 to 2.6.6, I had the following
> question: VFS: Cannot open root device "1606" or unknown-block(22,6)
>  Please append a correct "root=" boot option
>  Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,6)
>
> But I had root=/dev/hdc6 at the file LILO.conf. Who can tell me how to
> resolve this problem? Thank you.
>
> Jinzhi Lei
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Re: gDesklets

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 06:05, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> I'm using the PPC Debian distro. I'd like to try gDesklets for my Gnome 
> environment. Does anyone have experience with gDeskets? I have a few 
> questions. I click on the gDesklets icon and nothing happens -- at least 
> no windows or sign of anything happening. What gDeskets work on a 
> PPC-based system? (For instance, starterbar.display complains the sensor 
> is broken and there is a problem with the starterbar.display file.) Thanks.

I believe you have to use the "middle click" function. Yeah, I know you
have a single button on your mouse. I played with them back @ 0.24. They
were neato. Even have a screenie:

http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/2003-11-29a.png
http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/2003-11-29b.png

Some of the problems I had were figuring out what was wrong where. I had
edit a couple of confs and other files to get em to work proper... As
you can see it was November of last year, I don't remember exactly.
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Re: [SE/Linux] status / progress report 13jun2004

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 09:59:21AM -0400, James Morris wrote:
> > > It's actually disabled again (compiled in but disabled) in SuSE because
> > > the performance hit was much much worse.  And I remember benchmark
> > > numbers where the lsm hooks alone decreased the SpecWeb numbers on ia64
> > > by more than 10%.  I'd vote strongy against enabling LSM in the Debian
> > > kernel images.
> 
> When did you see these figures?  They are not consistent with the 
> performance data I've seen.
> 
> When I ran Webstone tests on x86 for the Usenix paper, there was a 5-7%
> performance hit for LSM, which dropped to 1-2% once the Netfilter hooks
> were disabled.  LSM was reworked considerably before submission to the
> upstream kernel, which included dropping the Netfilter hooks, as well as
> many other hooks in the networking, and the hooking mechanism itself was
> redesigned for efficiency.  LSM should have significantly less overhead 
> than the 1-2% figure for web performance.

They're from a hardware vendor doing benchmarking on one of the
commercial distros.  Note that this is on IA64 where gcc is particularly
bad when lots of indirect function calls are used.


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Commercial-grade application software

[jack kinnon]

Hi folks,
 
I have now a working Linux system with an acceptable GUI and a broadband link for communication, all with freely available software. But without application software, they don't mean much. I'm looking for good application software in the areas of hardware and software design.
 
In hardware design, I'm looking for  E-CAD for analog and digital circuit design and simulation. Does SPICE run on Linux?
 
In software design, I'm looking for development environment for C/C++-based programs. 
 
Recommendations and links to suitable sites would be appreciated.
 
Cheers
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Re: [SE/Linux] status / progress report 13jun2004

[James Morris]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Russell Coker wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:01, Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > It's actually disabled again (compiled in but disabled) in SuSE because
> > the performance hit was much much worse.  And I remember benchmark
> > numbers where the lsm hooks alone decreased the SpecWeb numbers on ia64
> > by more than 10%.  I'd vote strongy against enabling LSM in the Debian
> > kernel images.

When did you see these figures?  They are not consistent with the 
performance data I've seen.

When I ran Webstone tests on x86 for the Usenix paper, there was a 5-7%
performance hit for LSM, which dropped to 1-2% once the Netfilter hooks
were disabled.  LSM was reworked considerably before submission to the
upstream kernel, which included dropping the Netfilter hooks, as well as
many other hooks in the networking, and the hooking mechanism itself was
redesigned for efficiency.  LSM should have significantly less overhead 
than the 1-2% figure for web performance.


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Better file manager

[jack kinnon]

Hi folks,
 
Is the file manager offered by KDE the best available for Debian GNU/Linux? As I mentioned before, it takes a long time to load up.
 
Cheers
 
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Re: [SE/Linux] status / progress report 13jun2004

[James Morris]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

> * debian kernels need to be available compiled with se/linux security
>   enabled (and boot-time optional) by default.  this results in a
>   2% performance hit (wow big deal) when se/linux is not enabled
>   at boot time.  Gentoo, SuSE and Fedora all accept this 2%.

Where do you get this figure from?


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Re: Woody server - rebooted itself (twice)

[James Green]

Tauber, Mathias Mailing wrote:
Hi,
We have a number of Debian woody servers, mostly Intel kit. One of 
our P4 boxen decided to reboot itself twice over the weekend. last -x:

runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.4.20   Sat Jun 12 08:04 - 10:12 
(1+02:07)
reboot   system boot  2.4.20   Sat Jun 12 08:04 
(1+02:07)
shutdown system down  2.4.20   Sat Jun 12 07:50 - 10:12 
(1+02:22)
runlevel (to lvl 6)   2.4.20   Sat Jun 12 07:49 - 07:50  (00:00)

No previous logins within hours of this. syslog shows eth0 ran out of 
resources, followed by a regular cronjob (very memory intensive), 
followed by out of memory errors, then a switch to runlevel 6.

how much RAM and how much SWAP do you have?

2Gb RAM, 1Gb swap
How about spave on /tmp and the other partitions?

Very little used. Minimum 1.5Gb free on any one partition.
Kernel may have bugs, but its been running otherwise fine for months. 
I wonder what may cause the kernel to switch to level 6 without user 
intervention?

Which bugs? Which filesystem do you use?

ext2 across the board. Not referring to any specific bugs, but hey the 
kernel isn't perfect.

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Re: XMX for Debian?

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 06:00, Mark Roach wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 14:38 +0300, Kalle Tuulos wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I am trying to make a similar system for X like the "screen" does for 
> > console, i.e. I would be able to use the same X screen both from work 
> > and home. It seems that XMX would be solution for this.
> 
> VNC is another, already packaged solution. There is a lot of info on the
> web on setting up/using it. The rfb package is a good tool to combine
> with vnc, install it and run x0rfbserver from within your X session,
> then connect using the vnc client to access it.

Or maybe establish an ssh-tunnel(with compression) and do an XDMCP
request to get a login. It has worked for others here on this list. I
know it works.

Just understand, you should always want a "lite" environment over slower
than 10Mbit connections. Which means XFce, FVMW, Blackbox, WindowMaker
and the like. GNOME and KDE are torture with <10MBit connections.

Good luck
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RE: ccing

[Freivald, Joseph A, GVSOL]

Some of us have no choice in our mail client.  The network nazis have
disabled everything but MSAPI on the mail servers, so I end up running
Outlook under VMWare just to get my e-mail.

Oh, and big surprise, Outlook gets the reply *Wrong!*

--JATF

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From: s. keeling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ccing


Incoming from Cheryl Homiak:
> I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's 
> often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I
often 

The usual reply to this is submit a bug report.  If it came from a
list, the reply should go to the list.  If you want to reply to the
author, that should take manual intervention.  In the meantime, switch
to something that does it right, mutt for one.

> certainly if everybody checks emails before sending this can be
avoided.

That's like expecting people to check lists.debian.org before posting
a question.  It won't happen.


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