Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
Hello Mirek Stefanski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On my home PC (333MHZ Celeron, 192MB RAM) I was happy user of Woody with KDE (regullary updated) as my desktop env. Graphical desktop started about 1-2 minutes and after next 1 minute I had fully functional desktop. But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and first start of any application (konsole, mozilla) takes a long time. Maybe running fc-cache to rebuild the font cache helps. Also make sure your lo interface is up (ifconfig). I made plenty of differnt experiments - I deinstaled KDE and installed it once again, I switched to gnome, once again to KDE and switched off of all efects - result is still the same. Can somebody give me some idea to make Sarge+KDE working as good as Woody+KDE or it is on my comuter totaly imposible ? I would remove all the KDE packages including the configuration: apt-get --purge remove kde.* and then reinstall it, if nothing else helps. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps-sarge.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
On 14 Nov 2004, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 07:27:25PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote: The core user base (Debian devl) is not necessarily the democratic majority of users. If you like to believe in the social contract, users, afaikt, are anyone who uses Debian. There are far more 'users' than developers but no representation of the non-developer-users. Until Debian will accommodate impute from non-developers it is just an exercise for the developers. The failure of 'democracies' (even this quoting will not hold it for ever) is in the fact that everybody believes to be entitled to judge everything, and to issue a directing opinion on every matter and aspect of life. As a result, the average level constantly is lowered, to accomodate the least capable that voices a desire. Evidence of that is overwhelming if you can see. A masterpiece of English literature would be considered a failure now, for containing too long paragrapahs and thus ideas too heavy to be handled by the average reader. Well, this is certainly getting off-topic, but I can't agree that the complexity of an argument has any close relation to the length of the paragraphs in which it is contained. In fact, the more complex the idea, the more it benefits from having its component parts arranged in different paragraphs. Which isn't to say that we should go to the lengths of the tabloid press and make every sentence a new paragraph. To some extent this is a question of custom, of what we are used to. It's true that in former times people tended to use long paragraphs. Come to that, ancient Greek inscriptions didn't separate the words, never mind the paragraphs. Both word separation and reasonably short paragraphs seem to me to improve readability. Good paragraphing is part of the equipment of a competent writer. Anthony -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GDM display blank on logout
hi I am using Debian sid while logging in during start up the GDM display is proper,while on logging out the display gets blank. Apparently the system goes to the GDM screen only the display is blanked out. I have tried searching the list and on google but not much help. any help is appreciated Aniruddha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boot failure
--- Dan Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I answered yes to the question resulting from dpkg -i about making modifications to lilo... Dan This was a mistake. It shouldn't be but it is and the same thing happened to me. I was forced to use the boot floppy to boot and then went to the /etc directory. That deadly question will at least save your old lilo.conf as something like lilo.old (I think). Get rid of the new lilo after looking at it...there are some differences in what you will need for the new kernel, most importantly you will need an initrd=initrd.img or something. You probably didn't need it for 2.2.20. At any rate just get the old kernel back running with that boot floppy and you should be able to figure things out. You do have a boot floppy, right? If not you are SOL. ejd __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boot failure
Dan Davison wrote: Any help with the following would be much appreciated: I was attempting to update a kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.6.8 and it seems now that neither of the kernel links in the lilo menu will boot. Both exit with the same kernel panic message and the output up to that point appears to be identical. This output makes mention of NTFS drivers, ACPI, powerNOW and other things that I believe mean I'm looking at output from the 2.6.8 kernel. I think I've somehow managed to point both the links in lilo at the new kernel. Is there anything that can be done, short of reinstalling debian from CD (and presumably losing all data that way?) Yes, you can recover without reinstalling, but sometimes it's hard to diagnose remotely. Also, as an aside, if you have separate partitions for your /home (and possibly others), a reinstallation doesn't hurt you so bad. If it comes down to a reinstall and you don't have a separate partition for /home, you can boot off a Knoppix CD and backup your data to a network share, USB device, CD-ROM, etc. The exit error message is (after some stuff mentioning ACPI) : VFS: Cannot open root device 305 or unknown-block(3,5) Please append a correct root= boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,5) More details: I obtained 2.6.8 kernel source via apt-get and included support for EXT3 filesystem, changed the processor type to AMD Athlon, NTFS support, SCSI emulation, ACPI and processor clock scaling in menuconfig. I made a .deb with make-kpkg and installed it with dpkg -i. I answered yes to the question resulting from dpkg -i about making modifications to lilo so that the new kernel would be available to boot. After this I checked that /vmlinuz was pointing at the new kernel and looked at /etc/lilo.conf. The label for the stanza associated with the /vmlinuz link said Linux_2.6.6 (a previous kernel installation failure) This makes me think the installation of your new kernel was not properly completed for some reason. and I changed the text of the label to linux_2.6.8, but nothing else in /etc/lilo.conf. After this modification to /etc/lilo.conf I ran lilo, which added the various boot options OK, but produced a warning message that I did not understand containing the word block and some memory addresses. Since I believed that the old 2.2.20 link would be OK to boot, I proceeded to power down and try to boot the new kernel, with the above-described failure. This is on an HP Athlon laptop. I believe what I would do is boot off a Knoppix CD (or similar) and manually mount the / directory rw (as necessary), redo the symlinks to get /vmlinuz to point to your older working 2.2 kernel, reconfigure /etc/lilo.conf accordingly, then run chroot /whereverrootismounted, run lilo, exit, and reboot. Hopefully this will give you a working 2.2 system, from whence you can repair what's wrong with your 2.6 kernel and try again. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Debian grow and stay?
cr writes: In very general terms - as I understand it the restriction is the US ban on the export of 'encryption software'. That was dropped years ago. How Micro$oft get around it I don't know, maybe they've just got big lawyers and lots of influence. They have to get licenses in advance of exporting crypto (though the licenses are trivially easy to get). So, to avoid the spooks from throwing some Debian mirror's owner into jail for 50,000 years for including some app. with encryption built in, such apps are only carried on mirrors outside the US. Crypto has been in Main and carried on US mirrors for years. The only requirement now is that when a new crypto program is uploaded a copy of the source must be emailed to the Commerce Dept. I believe that the only things left in non-us are programs that infringe US patents. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
Mirek Stefanski wrote: Hi All, On my home PC (333MHZ Celeron, 192MB RAM) I was happy user of Woody with KDE (regullary updated) as my desktop env. Graphical desktop started about 1-2 minutes and after next 1 minute I had fully functional desktop. But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and first start of any application (konsole, mozilla) takes a long time. I made plenty of differnt experiments - I deinstaled KDE and installed it once again, I switched to gnome, once again to KDE and switched off of all efects - result is still the same. Can somebody give me some idea to make Sarge+KDE working as good as Woody+KDE or it is on my comuter totaly imposible ? PS. I write this letter on Woody - I cloned it before upgrading For diagnostic purposes, create a new user, and log in to KDE as that user. Does that user have a slow login also? If not, the problem is in your personal KDE settings. If so, then it's a system-wide problem. But I suspect it's in your files rather than system-wide, thus this suggestion to try a new user. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xlibmesa-mach64-dri
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Andrea Vettorello wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:32:40 +0200, David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this as part of the struggle to get dri working on the old ATI rage pro clunker. Finally did compile a mach64.ko and got it working. The question is: Do I need this particular package? Any open-GL library I try to install, say for compiling a game, will demand the removal of this package. Will removing it kill my DRI (in other words, catch 22), or is it superfluous? Since they provide the same interface, is there some way to get the other libraries installed leaving this in place? I suppose you are running Sarge or Sid so maybe you need xlibmesa-dri instead. IIRC that doesn't support mach64 and is rather old. Go into the dri website (dri.sf.net IIRC) and under downloads there should be a link to debian packages from the latest snapshot. These also include mach64 support, and IIRC don't conflict with the gl dev package Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mysql-server dependency
Why does the mysql-server package depend on mailx? I don't see something like this on Redhat's package, for example. Regards, dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Printing hardcopy from an application
Another simple idea would be to pass your output to a2ps or muttprint. -- I came; I saw; I frelled up -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cd burning problem
Hello, Sorry for reposting -- I accidentilly removed the mails from debian-users without checking wether my question was answered (it doesn't show up in the debian logs though) I tried kernel 2.6.8 and it worked fine -- but I got myself into a cd burning problem. The first time under kernel 2.6.8 , cdrecord did work, but because of too much business in the computer (other programs running, and the fact that cdrecord seems to try and get to the maximal speed, somehow) the written file wasn't burned correctly; After that problems started, it doesn't allow to burn, also not in (a custom) 2.6.7 kernel; `cdrecord -scanbus` replies, Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a34 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. Please send bug reports and support requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. cdrecord: cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup . `cdrecord -scanbus` used to report that the target is at ATAPI:1,0,0; I usually use mkisofs -iso-level 1 -graft-points /jhbackup.bz2=/tmp/jhuizer.tar.bz2|cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 gracetime=2 -v - which I have put in a shell script so I don't have to remember all those flags ;) I'll use kernel 2.6.7 for now as it used to burn without any problems; can anybody tell me how to find out what is wrong (and how to fix it?) Thanks for any help, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Requirements: - Maildir support; - Software binary packages are in the main Debian archive (so we are guaranteed prompt security updates when Sarge becomes stable); - IMAPD, POP3; Optional: - .qmail support would be nice but not important; - TLS/SSL support for IMAPD/POP3 would be nice but not 100% necessary; Other notes: - I am currently tending towards Courier, but is it widely used by Debian users; - we write our own SMTPD (proxy, actually) because qmail-smtpd sucks, and we'll probably retain our code; - we use vmailmgr for virtual domain users; I don't know how qmail-specific it is, and will probably rewrite/reimplement it with the new MTA if we must. We plan to retain vmailmgr's virtual users databases (passwd.cdb) for the time being. Regards, dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Debian grow and stay?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I've also been watching the Why Debian? thread with great interest. I started using Debian in 1995 because I liked the idea of cooperative development. I am an advocate of unanimity, I believe that the best in people is a matter of interested individuals working together because they want to. The Debian package maintainers demonstrate this principle on a large scale. A big project like this will definitely incur expenses. Do volunteers contribute financially too? If that is the case, in my opinion, Debian could disappear in two possible ways. Maintainers contribute their efforts voluntarily. From doing so, they gain experience and renown. These skills are then available for them to use in whatever work they do that earns them money. Debian is used in many businesses, and some of them contribute money and hardware, mirror servers, bandwidth, etc. I have read specifically of one company which, upon deciding to switch a substantial number of systems to Debian, donated to the project the quantity of money they had already budgetted to purchasing the needed software. 1. The volunteers decided that there should be some financial reward for their work. They could accept an offer by a well established enterprise to 'buy' over their work or they could collectively decide to form a corporation. Their work is released to the Debian project under the GPL or other Debian Project approved license. If they take their work elsewhere, the last version of their software given to the Debian project stays with the project and another package maintainer will pick it up if, and only if, someone wants to. 2. Volunteers dwindle to an ineffective few, preferring to spend their time on work with more reward and recognition. Again, this is a voluntary organization. The maintainers associate with the project because they wish to. If there are not enough maintainers, it means that the Debian project has lost the support needed to sustain itself. Better to let it fall into the dustbin of history than to corrupt it with coercion to prolong the agony. What is the geographical spread of the Debian organisation, is it US-centric? Are the developers mostly US-based? While the people who started it were located in the US, and the primary root servers are located there, package maintainers can and do come from everywhere. Since it is the work which matters, all that a maintainers needs is an internet connection and enough English to be able to communicate clearly. Right now, under the initiative of Oracle, there are companies in China, Japan and S. Korea coming together to develop another version of Linux called Asianux. This may start a new trend of 'regional Linux'. Sure it may. If that is what succeeds, then that is what the users want. Debian has excellent multi-language support, Asian languages included. While I might choose to contribute to Debian rather than to build something from scratch, it's not my choice what other people do. I roughly know that the US and non-US version got to do with encryption. But what is the restriction? People in US or outside US can download either version, right? The International Trafficking In Arms Regulation, the prosecution of which was abandoned by the US government after it was demonstrated to be absurd and unenforceable, said that it was illegal for Americans to export encryption software. So packages with strong encryption had to be located only on servers outside of the US. Americans could *import* such software all they wanted. Absurd. There are still some legalities that get in the way of US software development, such as the various insane copyright and patent laws, so non-US.debian.org will remain I guess. Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQZdzyC9Y35yItIgBAQHEtgf7BXqMlgPkfIbueeb4xw8cr9+kX7zEXKGp MQsDPu14anIdMFumKW6u5+ROIt3KvSR/deMwz1epaLud9X7trPtTO4MUgNF+a1wm RPdzbVUyzop7EXMCV47noxTnpIAIvx4VUSF3d+3meQ2RaZ2h1K0watcW1FRxaoK/ 4r1en+AlGMUOGBDbjnxly34XH7Oq1/8i7B36aUKzbe7RFElLTDmN/inLu1C+VuBJ o676O1V604vOklZbtbN0/7BEYxrHENugs2X/jXqt9nl3gcBYnsjN206AG7RNj6Xi 1JuN77rqWxpajeyG68Kxii2s2J5dBpyX3AQxrUsoVgpa82xfy0BtvA== =0/2x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
weird Mozilla progress report
libranet 2.8.1 + upgrades as per repositries Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 downloading a 2.4Gb dvd iso image download manager reports time left as 0-47:0-36:0-30 transferred as -2044276kb of 2097152kb at -24.1kb/s any ideas ? stephen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
David Garamond wrote: We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Oh, I should add that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to other MTAs. I've used qmail ever since I've used Linux (around RH5-RH6). I'm not even familiar with Sendmail. Most of my friends are pushing for Postfix, but I see that Debian's default is exim, and I myself have been using courier-imap so currently I'm thinking courier would be the easiest migration route. Regards, dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
David Garamond wrote: David Garamond wrote: We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Oh, I should add that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to other MTAs. I've used qmail ever since I've used Linux (around RH5-RH6). I'm not even familiar with Sendmail. Most of my friends are pushing for Postfix, but I see that Debian's default is exim, and I myself have been using courier-imap so currently I'm thinking courier would be the easiest migration route. Regards, dave And why don't u use qmail ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning problem
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 04:13:44PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote: Hello, Sorry for reposting -- I accidentilly removed the mails from debian-users without checking wether my question was answered (it doesn't show up in the debian logs though) And you didn't check the archive at lists.debian.org because? Or for that matter, you didn't check the archive at groups.google.com because? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and spam
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:04, Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 12:15:00PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I tend to prefer real email management over fake email address hacks. Keeps everything simpler, makes the spam easier to report, etc. Who are you reporting spam to, anyway? I'd like to contribute but I'm woefully out-of-touch. OK, this looks like a Good Idea. So I got hold of the adcomplain Perl script from http://www.rdrop.com/users/billmc/adcomplain.html. I pipe a spam message to it cat spam-file | perl adcomplain.pl and if finds the originator, generates the complaint message and prompts before sending. Excellent. Good so far, but my spam is kept in mbox format (for teaching Spamassassin and reporting to Razor). I can convert the mbox file into maildir files with mb2md (from Testing). The files are in a subdirectory called cur with names like these: 1100447087.00.mbox:2,S 1100447087.01.mbox:2,S 1100447087.02.mbox:2,S I can do cat 1100447087.00.mbox:2,S | perl adcomplain.pl When finished with the first message I can up-arrow, change the final 0 to a 1 and repeat. Is there a simple way to automate this with a bash script? I imagine something looking in the subdirectory, piping the first file to adcomplain.pl, then piping the next file when adcomplain.pl has finished. And so un until all files in the subdirectory have been processed. Any ideas? Chris. -- Chris Lale [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
On November 14, 2004 05:16, Thomas Adam wrote: --- Mirek Stefanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and This is normal for KDE. No its not! I have a similarly old 350 MHz system and have no where near start times like that. From following the kde list the most common problem for people with extremely slow start times is the network setup (Even if the machine is not networked). Kde is waiting for a response and the system is timing out. Make sure loopback is in /etc/network/interfaces and that the /etc/networks file is OK. Also check your /etc/host* files and that nothing strange is happening with dns. RJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
Cristi Banciu wrote: We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Oh, I should add that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to other MTAs. I've used qmail ever since I've used Linux (around RH5-RH6). I'm not even familiar with Sendmail. Most of my friends are pushing for Postfix, but I see that Debian's default is exim, and I myself have been using courier-imap so currently I'm thinking courier would be the easiest migration route. And why don't u use qmail ? I thought qmail doesn't exist in the main debian archive? -- dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about dhcp client and cdroms
Ron, I have reconfigured discover (that actually is discover1, : ) ) but it didnt create the symbolic links, so ive created manually the mountpoints and disable discover to manage this mountpoints, and the problem is now resolved. If the machine doesnt have udev installed, is it necessary to have it ? Thanks to all of you ! Sergio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
files always corrupt
I'm rebuilding a server that is in my home office, yes I built it myself. I'm at my wits end. When I download, load from a cd the files are always corrupt. If I take thehar drivesout and install in another machine I can install without any issue. I've done CD install from CD-RWs, CD media purchased online, Network installs, all of them fail due to files being corrupt. BTW I'm attempting the Debian network install, and I get through network setup and get to dowloading the base system and it tries to exand and it fails. Please any help would be appreciated. "Theres no such thing as a problem unless the servers are on fire!" Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
GDM display blank on logout
hi all Sorry if this is a repost but I havent recieved any messages that i have recently posted back. They also dont show up in the list archives I am using Debian sid , at start up the GDM display comes out proper , but when I log out the screen comes out blank. I tried searching the list and also on google but have not got anything worthwhile on this. Any help is appreciated Aniruddha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: files always corrupt
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Dan McCullough wrote: I'm rebuilding a server that is in my home office, yes I built it myself. I'm at my wits end. When I download, load from a cd the files are always corrupt. If I take the har drives out and install in another machine I can install without any issue. I've done CD install from CD-RWs, CD media Check the hardware. First, make a Memtest86+ boot floppy, and test the memory. Then replace the drive cabling, and make sure it is sitting *alone* on that cable. Failing that, try with another drive, or a net-install from floppies... purchased online, Network installs, all of them fail due to files being corrupt. BTW I'm attempting the Debian network install, and I get through This is typical of bad memory or cabling. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and spam
Incoming from Chris Lale: On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:04, Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 12:15:00PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I tend to prefer real email management over fake email address hacks. Keeps everything simpler, makes the spam easier to report, etc. Who are you reporting spam to, anyway? I'd like to contribute but I'm woefully out-of-touch. OK, this looks like a Good Idea. So I got hold of the adcomplain Perl script from http://www.rdrop.com/users/billmc/adcomplain.html. I pipe a spam message to it cat spam-file | perl adcomplain.pl Useless use of cat. The adcomplain documentation says: adcomplain file maildir files with mb2md (from Testing). The files are in a subdirectory called cur with names like these: 1100447087.00.mbox:2,S 1100447087.01.mbox:2,S 1100447087.02.mbox:2,S # untested! # for f in cur/1100447087.00.mbox*; do adcomplain.pl $f done I haven't used adcomplain, so ymmv. Consider going to Spamcop.net, getting a _free_ spam reporting address, and sending your Spam to them. They'll analyze it to death and mail you back a URL where you can go to see what they came up with, and finish (or cancel) the report depending on what they found. If you go that way, they have a perl script you can use to auto-report Spam. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Please don't Cc: me. - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
democracy
Luckily, Debian isn't a democracy. It's a voluntary association. That is the reason that I began using the Debian distribution in the first place. Unlike a democracy, the majority cannot force its views on the minority. Anyone who doesn't like the Debian policies, or the election or decisions of a leader, can choose not to contribute any more, or to walk away completely at very little or no cost to themselves. If you try to do that in a real democracy you go to prison, because you live at the sufferance of the majority. That is the lesson of Socrates. The State was a Mistake http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=1522 You might enjoy Hans Hermann Hoppe's book, _Democracy, The God That Failed_. http://www.mises.org/misesreview_detail.asp?control=199sortorder=issue A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage. ~Alexander Fraser Tytler (later Lord Alexander Fraser Woodhouslee), in The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic, published 1776. Curt- -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history
Re: why debian
The failure of 'democracies' (even this quoting will not hold it for ever) is in the fact that everybody believes to be entitled to judge everything, and to issue a directing opinion on every matter and aspect of life. As a result, the average level constantly is lowered, to accomodate the least capable that voices a desire. Evidence of that is overwhelming if you can see. A masterpiece of English literature would be considered a failure now, for containing too long paragrapahs and thus ideas too heavy to be handled by the average reader. Right on! Even though... The idea I think in a parliamentary democracy is that the mediocre mass does not actually make decisions directly. They choose, locally, representatives, who are supposed to be specialists, and to make the best decisions in the interest of their base, even if sometimes the mediocre mass does not follow. The problem with the choosing process is that to be chosen you have to want to be chosen. People that arrive in positions of power do it because they want to do it. They want power. This is a corrupting factor from the start. Like DOuglas Adams said, a person that is capable of getting himself elected president is the least appropriate for the job, I forgot the exact quote, but that is the gist. In Debian though, the equivalent of the parliament are the developers. They don't get elected but this is good because they get to be developers by being good at what they do, not by making the ignorant mediocre mass THINK they're good at what they do. Also, they do it because they just want to help make a better system, not because they have some secondary vested interest in that, like remuneration, perks, building a career, or whatnot. Also the qualifying criteria in the developer community, which is to say, knowledge and expertise, are much more clearly defined than in politics, where the qualifying criteria are things like the ability to spin things your way, the ability to give the impression of authority, to be seen in a certain light, or other skills more properly connected to the acting profession. In general the ability to make people think about you what you want them to think about you. Politicians are professional impostors, or if you prefer, poker players but this won't get you very far among programmers. To be completely fair though, in a thread related to this one somebody mentioned that developers for debian DO get certain advantages, like for example putting that on their resumé, and it seems that it works too, meaning, they get hired. It's starting to have a little prestige to be a debian developer, so maybe, to a small extent developers do have at least a small vested interest. I'm not sure how much, but as a matter of fact I don't think it matters because Debian being a completely free, open, non profit stucture, it is impossible to make career INSIDE Debian. You can spend some time, some formative years in debian, and then use that experience for later on in life, if you want. That's not a problem. This fact has no impact on the spirit of Debian. The social contract ensures that Debian will never become a purpose in itself (like bureaucracies have a tendency to, in the opinion of some famous guy I forgot who), but it will always serve its user base. Exactly in the same way for example that there are companies out there commercializing distributions based on Debian. Using Debian for something from the outside is no problem, that is exactly the idea. The freedom codified in the social contract has exactly that purpose, to protect people's right to use Debian unfettered by any limitations. Whether they use the software to get work done, like users do, or using the experience gained developing Debian to advance one's credentials and career, like some developers might, or using the body of software to commercialize a Debian based distribution... The core idea, the freedom, is only reinforced. Debian and actually the whole free software community would be an awesome case study in political theory. I DO have one possibly non-positive thing to say about Debian. Debian serves its user base and does so brilliantly. Its user base however (even the non developers) consists of people that while not gurus, know quite a bit about computers. Ever since I have used Debian I have found myself learning more and more about how a system works, about all kinds of stuff. I would die of shame if I ever got the classic rejoinder: RTFM. So I find myself spending hours googling and reading FAQs, howtos, tutorials, mailing lists, and manuals. Problem is I'm not a programmer, I'm a physicist. So sometimes I ask myself: why do I spend all this time learning all this stuff? Do I really need it? Couldn't I get by easier with Windows or maybe some nobrainer distribution? Bottom line, is :**Does using Debian increase MY productivity?** I don't really have an answer... Long term, for sure, a big YES. But for right now,... I'm not sure. The learning curve
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
| On my home PC (333MHZ Celeron, 192MB RAM) | I was happy user of Woody with KDE (regullary updated) | as my desktop env. | | Graphical desktop started about 1-2 minutes | and after next 1 minute I had fully functional desktop. | | But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge | - after one day battle it was done. | | Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, | and first start of any application (konsole, mozilla) | takes a long time. | Mirek I use a somewhat similar, but even slower system o Compaq Presario 5.5 years old o Cyrix processor 250 Mhz o Memory . 192 MB o Dual-Boot OS o Win98_SE o Debian Sarge Re-starting Win98_SE and booting into Debian Sarge with the KDE desktop fully loaded takes about 4.5 minutes Approximate application start-up times from KDE panel icons o konsole 07-08 sec o kwrite . 09-10 sec o konqueror .. 09-10 sec o moz firefox 34-36 sec o moz thunderbird 24-26 sec Although the application start-up times are a bit slow, they seem acceptable to me given the limited nature of the hardware I'm using In all cases after the initial start-ups, the applications respond very quickly Both Mozilla applications, firefox thunderbird, also load slowly under Win98_SE on this same machine, so I don't think that is Debian related Since this is my first Linux OS, I don't know whether or not these start-up times are in the same ball-park as others using similar hardware -- Cousin Stanley Human Being Phoenix, Arizona -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seems like xMule crashed
Hi, my xmule was running fine for weeks. Today I run an aptitude update aptitute upgrade on my sarge box and xmule has been upgraded to version 1.9.4b-1. Now, xmule is permanently crashing after some minutes with the error message: OOPS! - Seems like xMule crashed --== BACKTRACE FOLLOWS: ==-- Segmentation fault Can anyone shed some light on that? Thanks Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
El Domingo, 14 de Noviembre de 2004 13:29, Mirek Stefanski escribió: Hi All, On my home PC (333MHZ Celeron, 192MB RAM) I was happy user of Woody with KDE (regullary updated) as my desktop env. Graphical desktop started about 1-2 minutes and after next 1 minute I had fully functional desktop. But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and first start of any application (konsole, mozilla) takes a long time. I can confirm the same in a Pentium III 850 Mhz, with 512 MB ram. I have a dual instalation with SuSE 9.0 and Debian-sarge. The time loading anything with Debian-Sarge-KDE costs more than double than the same with SuSE :( Please, a solution or I will have to abandon debian-sarge. Guillermo -- Guillermo Ballester Valor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ogijares, Granada SPAIN Linux user #117181. See http://counter.li.org/ Public GPG KEY http://www.oxixares.com/~gbv/pubgpg.html
Re: Seems like xMule crashed
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:09:05 +0100 Christian Christmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my xmule was running fine for weeks. Today I run an aptitude update aptitute upgrade on my sarge box and xmule has been upgraded to version 1.9.4b-1. Now, xmule is permanently crashing after some minutes with the error message: OOPS! - Seems like xMule crashed --== BACKTRACE FOLLOWS: ==-- Segmentation fault Can anyone shed some light on that? Was there really no backtrace given? Also, what did you find when you checked the BTS? -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgp7AkTVijD7n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
Thanks All, Ken wrote: For diagnostic purposes, create a new user, and log in to KDE as that user. Does that user have a slow login also? If not, the problem is in your personal KDE settings. If so, then it's a system-wide problem. But I suspect it's in your files rather than system-wide, thus this suggestion to try a new user. I removed (purged) all desktop (lastly was installed gnome -similiar behavior - but why?) packages and installed kde-core package. Start time about 10-12 minutes. Then I renamed Desktop and all .k* files in my home directory and ... similiar results (next restart after Configuration wizard took about 10 minutes also) Next, as Ken suggested, I create a new user and it works smootly!!! (less than 2 minutes from startx to launch konsole). GREAT! But why after renaming Desktop and .k* files still KDE starts so slowly? Andreas wrote: Maybe running fc-cache to rebuild the font cache helps Please clarify, I don't understand this, and I would remove all the KDE packages including the configuration: apt-get --purge remove kde.* and then reinstall it, if nothing else helps. I made this many times, but this dosn't help. Thomas wrote: This is normal for KDE No, I dont think is normall Thanks all once again Mirek Stefanski -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning problem
Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 04:13:44PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote: Hello, Sorry for reposting -- I accidentilly removed the mails from debian-users without checking wether my question was answered (it doesn't show up in the debian logs though) And you didn't check the archive at lists.debian.org because? Or for that matter, you didn't check the archive at groups.google.com because? Uhm? Should I say, thanks for this reply... I did check lists.debian.org and searched google, didn't find a thing (yes it was a serious attempt to search), never heard of groups.google.com before (ok, my message is there, and nobody responded yet, as far as google groups knows) If there are details that will make it easier to help out, please tell me the commands Thanks for any help, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
David Garamond wrote: Cristi Banciu wrote: We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Oh, I should add that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to other MTAs. I've used qmail ever since I've used Linux (around RH5-RH6). I'm not even familiar with Sendmail. Most of my friends are pushing for Postfix, but I see that Debian's default is exim, and I myself have been using courier-imap so currently I'm thinking courier would be the easiest migration route. And why don't u use qmail ? I thought qmail doesn't exist in the main debian archive? -- dave Looking via synaptic: qmail-src Source only package for building qmail binary package qmail is a secure Secure, reliable, efficient, simple mail transport system. Dan Bernstein (qmail's author) only gives permission for qmail to be distributed in source form, or binary for by approval. This package has been put together to allow people to easily build a qmail binary package for themselves, from source. To build a binary deb package, first install the qmail-src package, then type the command build-qmail. If you try apt-get source --build qmail-src it will most likely fail because the users do not exist. You MUST install the qmail-src package first. Also be sure to build and install ucspi-tcp before installing the binary qmail package. Install the ucspi-tcp-src package to get ucspi-tcp. This package builds a binary .deb that is FHS compliant and conforms to the Debian standards guidelines. The resulting binary packages are not suitable for re-distribution. There are pre-compiled binary packages for qmail available, but they do not conform to the Debian standards, and are not available in the official archive. Robin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 01:12:47AM +, Brian Nelson wrote: Aptitude does an OK job in this respect. It doesn't make conflict resolution completely obvious, but the information is there. Aptitude shouldn't be used until its fundamental breakages are resolved. -- Marc Wilson | FORTUNE'S RULES TO LIVE BY: #2 Never goose a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wolverine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim4-daemon-heavy, fetctmail and infected emails
Hello List, I decided to delete infected emails fetched with fetchmail. Currently the infected emails are just marked INFECTED by exim4 throught a warn message ... instruction: ho can I order to exim4 to delete infected emails ? Thanks in advance, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mysql-server dependency
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:48:53PM +0700, David Garamond wrote: Why does the mysql-server package depend on mailx? I don't see something like this on Redhat's package, for example. Because of the checks for corrupt database tables that the initscript for it makes on every startup. How else do you expect it to tell you that something is wrong? Not all database machines have a console people stare at on each boot, nor do you necessarily want the boot to pause while it displays that message (the machine may be tasked with other things besides a database server). Cluebies whine continually about how useless local mail is. They're wrong. What you use to PROVIDE it, is open to argument. As for what RedHat's packages do... who cares? -- Marc Wilson | QOTD: I used to be an idealist, but I got mugged [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by reality. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
Mirek Stefanski wrote: I removed (purged) all desktop (lastly was installed gnome -similiar behavior - but why?) packages and installed kde-core package. Start time about 10-12 minutes. Then I renamed Desktop and all .k* files in my home directory and ... similiar results (next restart after Configuration wizard took about 10 minutes also) Next, as Ken[_t_] suggested, I create a new user and it works smootly!!! (less than 2 minutes from startx to launch konsole). GREAT! But why after renaming Desktop and .k* files still KDE starts so slowly? Could be a file you missed, or an environment variable you've set somewhere (like the PATH), etc. What I'd probably do next is to log out as your normal user, rename your normal user's home directory (like, add a .bak on the end of the directory name), create a new directory for your normal user with the proper permissions on the directory, copy over the /etc/skel files into this new directory (and check the perms on those files also), then relogin as the normal user and try it. If that works, gradually copy over the data from your backup directory (starting with the /etc/skel files) and keep logging out/in until you find the culprit, or until you're satisfied with your new setup. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Seems like xMule crashed
Christian Christmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my xmule was running fine for weeks. Today I run an aptitude update aptitute upgrade on my sarge box and xmule has been upgraded to version 1.9.4b-1. Now, xmule is permanently crashing after some minutes with the error message: OOPS! - Seems like xMule crashed --== BACKTRACE FOLLOWS: ==-- Segmentation fault Can anyone shed some light on that? Was there really no backtrace given? No. Also, what did you find when you checked the BTS? Sorry, but what is a BTS? -c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Seems like xMule crashed
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Also, what did you find when you checked the BTS?
Sorry, but what is a BTS?
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3 definitions found
From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (19 Sep 2003) [foldoc]:
BTS
{Bug Tracking System}
From V.E.R.A. -- Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (December 2003) [vera]:
BTS
Base Transceiver Station entities (BCF, BS, GSM, GPRS,
mobile-systems)
From V.E.R.A. -- Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (December 2003) [vera]:
BTS
Bug Tracking System
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Re: Seems like xMule crashed
On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 21:54 +0100, Christian Christmann wrote: Christian Christmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Also, what did you find when you checked the BTS? Sorry, but what is a BTS? The Bug Tracking System. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://bugs.debian.org/xmule Note there #280542, which may be similar to your error. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B Democracy is woman's greatest invention. Indeed, it even reflects her character: purposeless, irrational, subject to public opinion and passing fashions, rambling, confused, underhanded, scheming, in love with its own purity. Unknown; not my opinion, but still amusing. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mirek Stefanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and first start of any application (konsole, mozilla) takes a long time. Sometimes you have to run fc-cache -f as root to reload the font cache after upgrading. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBl8OKUzgNqloQMwcRApdQAJ0eVW5Lx2L6MBratCTbjWYBKuEZ2QCdEG50 U2YYTFho8hhMq2CC40jy3Mk= =lXuJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Mirek Stefanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and This is normal for KDE. No, it isn't. KDE starts up pretty rapidly even on my ancient Dell Inspiron 3000. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBl8OuUzgNqloQMwcRAutqAJ9Cz+W2RARJKiWR3tw0gW6RiGmIzgCgyvxq TS+xHr92h9L6NOH6TnmU6yA= =Yvdo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting up libsdl
I have set up Debian 3 and am trying to run prboom, but it uses aalib, so I get a text rendition rather than svga. How can I change this? I'm using woody. Regards - Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: exim4-daemon-heavy, fetctmail and infected emails
How about adding clamav? regards Thing -Original Message- From: Jerome BENOIT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 8:26 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: exim4-daemon-heavy, fetctmail and infected emails Hello List, I decided to delete infected emails fetched with fetchmail. Currently the infected emails are just marked INFECTED by exim4 throught a warn message ... instruction: ho can I order to exim4 to delete infected emails ? Thanks in advance, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
robin wrote: Looking via synaptic: qmail-src Source only package for building qmail binary package qmail is a secure Secure, reliable, efficient, simple mail transport system. Or you can use precompiled binary packages http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and spam
On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 17:21, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Chris Lale: On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:04, Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 12:15:00PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I tend to prefer real email management over fake email address hacks. Keeps everything simpler, makes the spam easier to report, etc. Who are you reporting spam to, anyway? I'd like to contribute but I'm woefully out-of-touch. OK, this looks like a Good Idea. So I got hold of the adcomplain Perl script from http://www.rdrop.com/users/billmc/adcomplain.html. I pipe a spam message to it cat spam-file | perl adcomplain.pl Useless use of cat. The adcomplain documentation says: adcomplain file maildir files with mb2md (from Testing). The files are in a subdirectory called cur with names like these: 1100447087.00.mbox:2,S 1100447087.01.mbox:2,S 1100447087.02.mbox:2,S # untested! # for f in cur/1100447087.00.mbox*; do adcomplain.pl $f done Thanks! Works with slight modification: for f in cur/*; do perl adcomplain.pl $f done I haven't used adcomplain, so ymmv. Consider going to Spamcop.net, getting a _free_ spam reporting address, and sending your Spam to them. They'll analyze it to death and mail you back a URL where you can go to see what they came up with, and finish (or cancel) the report depending on what they found. If you go that way, they have a perl script you can use to auto-report Spam. OK. It seems that I could use Spamcop.net to provide a blacklist for Spamassassin. This would basically improve my filtering. Actually, the Spamassassin wiki indicates that blacklisting is already built in for a number of DNSBLs including Spamcop (http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists). Probably, I just need to enable it somewhere. I am already using Vipul's Razor which is a non-commercial collaborative database which seems to do something similar, although it is not a DNS blacklist. The reason that I was interested in Adcomplain is that you identify and report direct to the originator's ISP. This was the argument put forward by http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/ earlier in the thread. This means an investment of time, but I can now automate the process sufficiently to make this feasible for each spam message that has slipped through the filtering process. # script fragment to convert mbox spam file to separate files # in subdir cur mb2md -s \ /home/chris/evolution/local/Inbox/subfolders/SPAM-to-report/mbox -d spam # script fragment to set environment for adcomplain.pl export ADCOMPLAIN_MDOMAIN=mydomain export [EMAIL PROTECTED] #script fragment to process maildir format messages in subdir cur. for f in cur/*; do perl adcomplain.pl $f done -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian and spam
Incoming from Chris Lale: On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 17:21, s. keeling wrote: [snip] Thanks! Works with slight modification: for f in cur/*; do perl adcomplain.pl $f .. done You can fix that with chmod: chmod 744 adcomplain.pl and move adcomplain.pl to one of the dirs in your PATH. You may need to rehash for it to take effect, depending on the shell you use. I haven't used adcomplain, so ymmv. Consider going to Spamcop.net, The reason that I was interested in adcomplain is that you identify and report direct to the originator's ISP. This was the argument put forward ... Assuming adcomplain.pl is smart enough to recognize forged sender addresses. If it's not smart enough, you'll end up reporting forgeries to the ISPs of innocent bystanders. I don't know if adcomplain is smart enough; don't know, never used it. Spamcop isn't tricked by forgeries. If adcomplain is smart enough, then it has one advantage over Spamcop. You can report viruses, which Spamcop doesn't allow. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Please don't Cc: me. - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
ken keanon wrote: Hi, There are so many distros out there its confusing. Any reason(s) why Debian should be the preferred choice? Difficult question. The Debian project is wonderful from many perspectives, but except on philosophical grounds it's hard to see why an ordinary desktop user would choose it in preference to SuSE, Mandrake, Xandros or another distro known to be friendly to the new user and where a lot of effort has been put into pulling the desktop together. I've just installed SuSE 9.2 this afternoon and it wipes the floor with my Debian installation (sarge and elements of sid). In terms of a nicely tweaked, stable, elegant-looking system with full multimedia toys, open office, KDE 3.31, samba, etc. I am further ahead after about four hours of SuSE than I was after about a month of Debian. In fact I've had to waive goodbye to Debian by installing SuSE 9.2 over it. The final straw was lack of dma support in the 2.6.8-1 Debian kernel (so far as I can tell after much googling) which meant no DVDs and crappy sound. I don't see why anyone should have to start recompiling kernels just for that. Debian must be fantastic as a server OS (though I've never had trouble in three and a half years with SuSE for httpd, ftp, mail, so far) but it seems too rough on the desktop, lacking in polish and with the Debian system of commands in many ways more complicated than the rpm and YaST-based stuff on SuSE (which can also now be set up for the apt system). Server specialists and developers aside, maybe Debian's final destiny is as a huge resource for middleman distros like Ubuntu or Xandros. I'm looking forward to having another go on a multiboot when I've got a second HD, though in an iteration or two's time Ubuntu looks as if it could be really good. :) Fish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
Folks - a quite one... With ssh on my Debian server I do not seem to be able to tunnel X back to the client (however, from the client I can successfully tunnel X back when connecting to another client). Obviously I'm doing something wrong but any ideas? Here's the output from the remote machine: ~$ ssh -version OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.2, OpenSSL 0.9.7d 17 Mar 2004 Bad escape character 'rsion'. Cheers, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 11:36:00AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 01:12:47AM +, Brian Nelson wrote: Aptitude does an OK job in this respect. It doesn't make conflict resolution completely obvious, but the information is there. Aptitude shouldn't be used until its fundamental breakages are resolved. Huh? -- For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why debian
ken keanon wrote: Hi, There are so many distros out there its confusing. Any reason(s) why Debian should be the preferred choice? Use the one (Linux) you are most comfortable with. Debian has some advantages, 1) IMHO, the quality of the distribution is amongst the highest, if not the highest, this gives server stability but at the expense of not bleeding edge for hardware/software. So if your into desktops, Debian is probably not the distro for you, aim for Mandrake, Suse, Fedora. If you want a server that you are going to run for years at high load, is minimalised, stable and well supported, I would suggest Debian is at the head of your list. 2) If you have a variety of hardware, Debian works across many CPU types, making life a bit easier for you in maintenance terms. 3) It is almost rabidly OSS, this means no vendor lockin, no cost of support and no pay for upgrades. 4) Help chammels where you can often end up taking to the maintainers of a package or very experienced sys admins, for free... You could be nice and send some money to the debian fund though as a thankyou. regards Thing
ssh -X woes
sorry about the wrong subject, initially. i should also have said that DISPLAY is not set on the remote machine (using ssh -X) ---BeginMessage--- Folks - a quite one... With ssh on my Debian server I do not seem to be able to tunnel X back to the client (however, from the client I can successfully tunnel X back when connecting to another client). Obviously I'm doing something wrong but any ideas? Here's the output from the remote machine: ~$ ssh -version OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.2, OpenSSL 0.9.7d 17 Mar 2004 Bad escape character 'rsion'. Cheers, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---End Message---
Re: ssh -X woes
michael wrote: sorry about the wrong subject, initially. i should also have said that DISPLAY is not set on the remote machine (using ssh -X) Make sure that the remote machine has /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth (from the xbase-clients) package installed. Without it you will not be able to setup the DISPLAY of the remote machine to point back to you through the tunnel. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why debian - longer
On Sunday 14 November 2004 0003, somebody named Alvin Oga inscribed this message: Too many extra hoops? $ fakeroot make-kpkg -rev `hostname`.1 kernel_image $ sudo dpkg -i ../kernel-imagedeb update lilo/grub [if needed] assuming that the /usr/src/linux/.config is configured properly most non-debianites will probably do: make .. make bzlilo .. make modules ... blah .. tar zcvf /usr/src/linux-2.4.latest.bin.tgz \ /usr/src/linux-2.4.latest\ /lib/moudles/linux-2.4.latest\ /etc/lilo.conf\ /boot/grub/menu.list to install .. same as all distro .. just install it in my book, there is no significant advantage to make-kpkg + dpkg Out of curiosity - why? If I understand correctly, the kernel-building procedure you outlined is about five steps or so, while it takes me two (well, three actually): # make-kpkg clean make-kpkg kernel-image # dpkg -i ../kernel-image[version].deb dpkg automatically updates grub (via the update-grub script), and I can manage multiple kernel versions fairly easily in synaptic, or get rid of outdated kernel versions with a simple # dpkg -r kernel-image[version].deb update-grub or something like. Now, granted, I started on debian and this is the only way I've ever built/installed kernels, but I think only having to type two or three commands is an advantage over five, especially since I don't have to do that long tar step. I don't compile kernels frequently enough to remember that in between, and not having to do it probably saves me a couple minutes. So, out of curiosity, is there an advantage to *not* using make-kpkg dpkg? (Please note that I respect your oppinion, I just want to know your rational. If there's a better way to do anything, I want to know. :)) NRH -- It is a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years. - Tom Lehrer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
On Sunday 14 November 2004 15:19, David Garamond wrote: We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Requirements: - Maildir support; - Software binary packages are in the main Debian archive (so we are guaranteed prompt security updates when Sarge becomes stable); - IMAPD, POP3; You need two separate things - something to provide the Mail Transport Agent. You main choices are Postfix and Exim. With both of these you can configure them to deliver mail to Maildir mailboxes for local users - or to other things (for instance through mailing lists etc). You use a separate package to provide IMAP or POP3 servers - serving the mail from these Maildir mailboxes. For this, probably the Courier-Imap package is what you want (there are other choices but I don't think the others support maildirs very well). Postfix v Exim is normally a religious choice - Debian slightly favours Exim. I have tried both, although only for a population of 4 maildir users some mailing lists and other addresses that I forward. I favour exim for two reasons. 1) I think that Exim allows the rules that you create to be more configurable to exact requirements rather than just specifiying on/off options and lists of things that postfix seems to use. As a result it easier to have more exact control over how mail was processed - I have all mail passing through spamassassin and through virus scanners all set up through the configuration file, as I do teergrubbing of people trying to send me spam or possibly attack mail in other ways 2) Its possible to put in generic rules to manage mailing lists under mailman so there is no need to add loads of aliases to the /etc/aliases file every time I create or destroy a mailing list Admittedly these two reasons are rather flimsy, but I say it was a religious choice -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
On Sunday 14 November 2004 21:38, michael wrote: Folks - a quite one... With ssh on my Debian server I do not seem to be able to tunnel X back to the client (however, from the client I can successfully tunnel X back when connecting to another client). Obviously I'm doing something wrong but any ideas? Here's the output from the remote machine: What's this got to do with the subject? Don't hijack a thread, start your own. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?
On Sunday 14 November 2004 19:36, Marc Wilson wrote: Aptitude shouldn't be used until its fundamental breakages are resolved. What sort of statement is that? I use aptitude all the time - I can't see anything broken with it. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
On Sunday 14 November 2004 21:34, Mark Crean wrote: Difficult question. The Debian project is wonderful from many perspectives, but except on philosophical grounds it's hard to see why an ordinary desktop user would choose it in preference to SuSE, Mandrake, Xandros or another distro known to be friendly to the new user and where a lot of effort has been put into pulling the desktop together. I've just installed SuSE 9.2 this afternoon and it wipes the floor with my Debian installation (sarge and elements of sid). In terms of a nicely tweaked, stable, elegant-looking system with full multimedia toys, open office, KDE 3.31, samba, etc. I am further ahead after about four hours of SuSE than I was after about a month of Debian. I am interested to know how the other distributions deal with updating of the software - since I have never used anything other than Debian, and don't have any feeling that there is any need to switch. I started on Debian about 4 years ago when I first started with Linux. I have always had a desktop that is reasonably up to date - I was probably using kde 1 when I started, I now an running linux kernel 2.6.9, kde 3.3.1, all the multimedia toys I could want, open office 1.1.2 - and I have kept it up to date originally using dselect, but now aptitude. Upgrading has never really been a problem (despite using unstable) every few days I just use aptitude to update my list of packages and then tell it to bring the system up to this state. Once I find I don't need a package anymore I can just un-install it, and it and all of its automatic dependencies are automatically removed, so effectively I never really have a re-install. Seems to me that this 'ordinary desktop user' can't see any reason not to use Debian and risk loosing what I have. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian - longer
On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 09:03:25PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: - not to be nit picky .. but just a comment assuming that the /usr/src/linux/.config is configured properly Comparing compiling a kernel using make-kpkg or the old fashioned way with both requires the .config file to be modified with make menuconfig or make gconfig or by hand, or whatever. most non-debianites will probably do: make .. make bzlilo .. make modules ... blah .. tar zcvf /usr/src/linux-2.4.latest.bin.tgz \ /usr/src/linux-2.4.latest\ /lib/moudles/linux-2.4.latest\ /etc/lilo.conf\ /boot/grub/menu.list to install .. same as all distro .. just install it in my book, there is no significant advantage to make-kpkg + dpkg That's fine. The great thing about Linux is there is multiple ways to do things. You don't have to do things my way, and vice-versa. See vi-vs-emacs or kde-vs-gnome. And the cool benefit of this is that you can save the kernel image .deb off incase you ever need to rebuild the system. see above Granted that you could just backup your .config file. But then you'd have to recompile your kernel when you rebuild your machine. If you have multiple machines with the same configuration, you could copy the .config file and compile each kernel on each machine. Or you could tar+bz2 the /lib/modules/2.[46]* and /boot/vmlinuz* files and do everything manually. But I also figure that since I'm letting dpkg keep track of my files and packages, I might as well let it do that for my kernel stuff as well. - the issue is if it takes them 5 min to do it one way and 50 minutes a different way ... they might take one or the other depending on their goals ( kill time and learn ) or get it done and move on True. As long as you figure in time down the road that it could cost you in maintainence. Jeremy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning problem
On Sunday 14 November 2004 15:13, Joris Huizer wrote: I tried kernel 2.6.8 and it worked fine -- but I got myself into a cd burning problem. The first time under kernel 2.6.8 , cdrecord did work, but because of too much business in the computer (other programs running, and the fact that cdrecord seems to try and get to the maximal speed, somehow) the written file wasn't burned correctly; After that problems started, it doesn't allow to burn, also not in (a custom) 2.6.7 kernel; I don't quite know, as I haven't tracked it down yet - but it looks as though there may have been a change in cdrtools (and specifically cdrecord) that is coupled with the changes to cdrom handling with ide under the 2.6 series kernels `cdrecord -scanbus` replies, I think you need to do cdrecord -dev /dev/hdc -scanbus or cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus I usually use mkisofs -iso-level 1 -graft-points /jhbackup.bz2=/tmp/jhuizer.tar.bz2|cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 gracetime=2 -v - Looks OK - except for me I can't get the burn to work at all. -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Choosing a flavor of Debian? -- bf2.4 HOW???
Choosing a flavor of Debian:BF2.4 In the installation for Debian "Woody" it recommended that you use bf2.4 if you have a usb keyboard and mouse. This fits my hardware configuration perfectly. My question is this: I downloadedUS Disc #1. Is this the rightdisc to use bf2.4installation method? Ifso what do I do? If not, what is the appropriate disc toget? Thank You - Mike
Re: weird Mozilla progress report
stephen parkinson wrote: libranet 2.8.1 + upgrades as per repositries Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 downloading a 2.4Gb dvd iso image download manager reports time left as 0-47:0-36:0-30 transferred as -2044276kb of 2097152kb at -24.1kb/s That may be a bug, did you check bugzulla? But their latest release is 1.8a4 so reporting it won't work unless you try it on a recent version. BTW downloading a CD iso takes me three days and I never use Mozilla for that, for a good reason ;-) Hugo any ideas ? stephen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: files always corrupt
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Dan McCullough wrote: I'm rebuilding a server that is in my home office, yes I built it myself. I'm at my wits end. When I download, load from a cd the files are always corrupt. If I take the har drives out and install in another machine I can install without any issue. I've done CD install from CD-RWs, CD media Check the hardware. First, make a Memtest86+ boot floppy, and test the memory. Then replace the drive cabling, and make sure it is sitting *alone* on that cable. Failing that, try with another drive, or a net-install from floppies... purchased online, Network installs, all of them fail due to files being corrupt. BTW I'm attempting the Debian network install, and I get through This is typical of bad memory or cabling. And let us know how you do. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Choosing a flavor of Debian? -- bf2.4 HOW???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Choosing a flavor of Debian: BF2.4 In the installation for Debian Woody it recommended that you use bf2.4 if you have a usb keyboard and mouse. This fits my hardware configuration perfectly. My question is this: I downloaded US Disc #1. Is this the right disc to use bf2.4 installation method? If so what do I do? If not, what is the appropriate disc to get? Thank You - Mike CD1 will let you perform a bf2.4 install. Just boot from the CD, press F2 or F3 (I forget which brings up the help screen) and then type in the command line it says to type for a 2.4 kernel boot. It is probably bf24 or bf2.4. Regards, -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why debian
On Sunday 14 November 2004 11:47, Alexandru Cabuz wrote: Debian and actually the whole free software community would be an awesome case study in political theory. It's been done, people just have a short memory. In fact, it's a little unnerving that software developers are so ignorant of politics and history. Look up syndicalism or industrial unionism. or just: apt-get install anarchism -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ ( t | i | m | @ | i | t | . | k | p | t | . | c | c ) \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ GPG key fingerprint = 1DEE CD9B 4808 F608 FBBF DC21 2807 D7D3 09CA 85BF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Debian grow and stay?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 08:08:57PM -0800, ken keanon wrote: 1. The volunteers decided that there should be some financial reward for their work. They could accept an offer by a well established enterprise to 'buy' over their work or they could collectively decide to form a corporation. I am not a Debian developer, but it appears from my user perspective that a good portion of the work is taking upstream packages (software maintained by non-Debian people) and passing bug reports along, submitting patches, and repackaging the source files for the Debian distribution. I'm guessing there's a fair number of Debian developers who also spend time on KDE, Gnome, Apache, SAMBA, etc, but I would be guessing that most of them don't. Therefore, buying their work would be buying their services as a repackager, bug manager, and patch manager, coordinating patches and bugs with the upstream developers. Once a package has been released and distributed under the GPL, I do not believe that the license can be changed. Or atleast not without the consent of every single developer who contributed some portion of the source code. That might take awhile with some packages. =) 2. Volunteers dwindle to an ineffective few, preferring to spend their time on work with more reward and recognition. This is more realistic. But I think this would be a catastrophic case somewhere down the road. The Work-Needing and Prospective Packages page gives you an example of packages that need adopting: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/work_needing http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned Regarding support, Debian has backing from several big names in technology, including Sun, HP/Compaq, VA Software, and Progeny: http://www.debian.org/misc/equipment_donations http://www.debian.org/partners Jeremy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: files always corrupt
Worst-case scenario is a bad motherboard. But try Henrique's suggestions first, you might be lucky. And yes, let us know how it turns out. regards, Robert On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:08:54 -0200 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Dan McCullough wrote: I'm rebuilding a server that is in my home office, yes I built it myself. I'm at my wits end. When I download, load from a cd the files are always corrupt. If I take the har drives out and install in another machine I can install without any issue. I've done CD install from CD-RWs, CD media Check the hardware. First, make a Memtest86+ boot floppy, and test the memory. Then replace the drive cabling, and make sure it is sitting *alone* on that cable. Failing that, try with another drive, or a net-install from floppies... purchased online, Network installs, all of them fail due to files being corrupt. BTW I'm attempting the Debian network install, and I get through This is typical of bad memory or cabling. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim4-daemon-heavy, fetctmail and infected emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jerome BENOIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I decided to delete infected emails fetched with fetchmail. Currently the infected emails are just marked INFECTED by exim4 throught a warn message ... instruction: ho can I order to exim4 to delete infected emails ? I wrote a HOWTO about this a while back, it's on Ursine Wiki. http://ursine.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way This covers how to do it with clamav in sendmail and exim, I'm looking for people to update it on how to set up virus scanning, preferably with FOSS software, with other MTAs and scanners. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBl/q+UzgNqloQMwcRAmh8AJ9LgYPCEk6OYunc3Dc0lY0kPiC+NQCgrN9r qiwCb1v9i9+Mg7tNLrnvrDc= =aF2z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User Mode Linux
Hello, I've been trying to use the package user-mode-linux under Debian, but I've got some problems. First, I tried using the debian root image found at usermodelinux.sf.net; couldn't make it work, and finally tried the slackware one. That is working well, but I can't make the eth0 interface work. - This is what I do in the host: tunctl -u 1000 ifconfig tap1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up - To call the virtual machine: linux umid=uml1 ubd0=./slack devfs=mount root=/dev/ubd0 eth0=ethertap,tap1 mem=32M - Then, I configure the eth0 in the VM (checked w/ ifconfig): eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FD:C0:A8:00:0A inet addr:192.168.0.10 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1484 Metric:1 [...snipped...] - When I try to ping the VM from the host: PING 192.168.0.10 (192.168.0.10): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: Operation not permitted ping: wrote 192.168.0.10 64 chars, ret=-1 ping: sendto: Operation not permitted ping: wrote 192.168.0.10 64 chars, ret=-1 - Pinging the host from the VM: PING 192.168.0.2 (192.168.0.2): 56 octets data write: Connection refused write: Connection refused write: Connection refused write: Connection refused (the messages appears as this, badly formatted) I tried also the tuntap the uml-utilites methods, but other problems arise. This was the closer I could get to networking the VM with the host (at least the VM lets me configure the eth0 interface). Anyone has any ideas? -- .O. SmileyByte ..O http://bertelli.endofinternet.net OOO Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Choosing a flavor of Debian? -- bf2.4 HOW???
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 10:51:55PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Choosing a flavor of Debian: BF2.4 In the installation for Debian Woody it recommended that you use bf2.4 if you have a usb keyboard and mouse. This fits my hardware configuration perfectly. My question is this: I downloaded US Disc #1. Is this the right disc to use bf2.4 installation method? If so what do I do? If not, what is the appropriate disc to get? Should do the trick. Just enter bf24 at the boot: prompt. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: weird Mozilla progress report
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 03:15:00PM +, stephen parkinson wrote: download manager reports time left as 0-47:0-36:0-30 transferred as -2044276kb of 2097152kb at -24.1kb/s any ideas ? read bug reports and ask better questions bugzilla would be a good place to start -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Limiting User Commands
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:58:33 +0100, Dan Roozemond wrote: Suppose the root-owned file (readable for non-root user) is a. Then one does 'cp a b; rm a; mv b a' and we have the same file a owned by the regular user. Key observation here is that the non-root user ownes the directory, hence can remove files. Thanks for the info. When I was playing around with this I discovered something quite strange: /tmp/test$ ll total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2004-11-15 00:36 test /tmp/test$ ll -d ../test/ drwxr-xr-t 2 mick mick 4.0K 2004-11-15 00:36 ../test/ /tmp/test$ rm test rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `test'? y /tmp/test$ ll total 0 But according to the man page of chmod I shouldn't be able to do this: When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by root or their owner. Without the sticky bit, anyone able to write to the directory can delete or rename files. The sticky bit is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are world-writable. Does anyone understand this? -- OoberMick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need a fast installation method
Hi, I was wondering which are your favorites fast installation methods? I need to have ready a fast install method, what do you suggest? anything apt related? or creating my own CD? or a NFS install? Is it possible to install from only one floppy? Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I need a fast installation method
On Sunday 14 November 2004 04:20 pm, Nicolas Patik wrote: Hi, I was wondering which are your favorites fast installation methods? I need to have ready a fast install method, what do you suggest? anything apt related? or creating my own CD? or a NFS install? Is it possible to install from only one floppy? Thanks, A network (netinst.iso) install with a local mirror is as fast as the network connection used (the bottleneck so to speak), and faster than a cdrom/dvd or internet install. If you do lots of typical installs a disk imaging setup may be worth considering, i.e. partimage, via Feather Linux. -- Greg C. Madden -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: weird Mozilla progress report
On Sunday 14 November 2004 06:15 am, stephen parkinson wrote: libranet 2.8.1 + upgrades as per repositries Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 downloading a 2.4Gb dvd iso image download manager reports time left as 0-47:0-36:0-30 transferred as -2044276kb of 2097152kb at -24.1kb/s any ideas ? stephen I thought Mozilla downloaded to the /tmp dir so you would need a really large tmp dir. I would use wget, ncftp, etc. to get images -- Greg C. Madden -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 10:40:13PM +0700, David Garamond wrote: David Garamond wrote: We are planning to migrate a bunch of hosting servers from RH73 + qmail + vmailmgr to Sarge and I'd appreciate on the comments of the choice of MTA to use. Oh, I should add that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to other MTAs. I've used qmail ever since I've used Linux (around RH5-RH6). I'm not even familiar with Sendmail. Most of my friends are pushing for Postfix, but I see that Debian's default is exim, and I myself have been using courier-imap so currently I'm thinking courier would be the easiest migration route. I guess my first question is why do you want to stop using qmail? It's highly secure and robust, plus you have already climbed its learning curve. While the various suggestions about how to install it via debian packages are quite valid, I would strongly suggest you just download two things: netqmail-1.05.tar.gz from http://www.qmail.org/netqmail-1.05.tar.gz and the Life with qmail document from http://www.lifewithqmail.org. Following the precise directions in the latter document, you can be compiled and configured in no more than a half hour. Don't throw out an excellent mail server merely because it doesn't come in a compiled debian package. Good luck with your transfer. Ollie Regards, dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |---| | Ollie Acheson | | Morristown, NJ| |---| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Printing hardcopy from an application
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:08:58AM -0600, Brad Sims wrote: Another simple idea would be to pass your output to a2ps or muttprint. That would work quite nicely, but I would like to do a wee bit of text formatting. I would like to change my font sizes in a place or two, and, just guessing, you couldn't do that with a2ps, could you? (I've never used it to know.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Printing hardcopy from an application
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 06:28:57AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: David wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 04:33:52PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I use Qt from Trolltech for that sort of stuff. Granted that means C++. If that is no problem, everything becomes easier because you use its classes for everything, including printing. Well.. actually, I've never tried writing C++ code, but as a matter of fact, just a day or two ago, I had downloaded some documentation on C++ considering getting into it - mainly for the class structuring. What I do is mostly graphics, so maybe that changes things. Well, again, perhaps coincidentally, I had considered converting this program to a GUI app, just for the fun of it, mostly. However, I've been trying to learn GTK. Unfortunately, if I understand correctly, GTK doesn't support printing directly, but you have to extend into the GNOME interface for printer support. I was hoping to not spread myself too thinly by adding another interface (GNOME) to learn. I use Qt downloaded from their site. Down side of that is that you have to compile it. Upside is that you get everything all at once. Debian has all their stuff but in separate packages. That wouldn't be a problem here. Although I'm trying to be close to 100% Debian, I already have a little stuff in /usr/local/ so a little more would not hurt. Anyway, they have a very extensive examples section and excellent documentation that refers to the examples. You can't beat it. So it would be a matter of starting with their examples and changing it. They claim on their site that various universities use them as the C++ teaching tool. Also with them you are platform independent. I have not tried their latest claim to fame: app generation from GUI. I start with code. You might try that too. I definitely will look into it. Again, I've never tried C++ programming, but perhaps it's time I got into it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian - longer
hi ya nathan bottom line as has been previous stated by others too - you can do your way .. others can do it their way regardless of which way is better in our view On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Nathanael Hasbrouck wrote: $ fakeroot make-kpkg -rev `hostname`.1 kernel_image $ sudo dpkg -i ../kernel-imagedeb update lilo/grub [if needed] assuming that the /usr/src/linux/.config is configured properly most non-debianites will probably do: make .. make bzlilo .. make modules ... blah .. tar zcvf /usr/src/linux-2.4.latest.bin.tgz \ /usr/src/linux-2.4.latest\ /lib/moudles/linux-2.4.latest\ /etc/lilo.conf\ /boot/grub/menu.list to install .. same as all distro .. just install it in my book, there is no significant advantage to make-kpkg + dpkg Out of curiosity - why? take any generic bozo with a engineering degree ... - 99% of the will knwo about configure/make/make install not many will be famililar with fakeroot or debian specific commands or the other rh specific or gentoo specific commands - why is it all different ?? because their way is better If I understand correctly, the kernel-building procedure you outlined is about five steps or so, while it takes me two (well, three actually): # make-kpkg clean make-kpkg kernel-image # dpkg -i ../kernel-image[version].deb my point is, as you also point out in your example, your version didnt use fakeroot as was the original poster 2 posts back dpkg automatically updates grub (via the update-grub script), the generic kernel's make install i think does that for you too ... - but i don't use that make option and I can manage multiple kernel versions fairly easily in synaptic, or get rid of outdated kernel versions with a simple # dpkg -r kernel-image[version].deb update-grub point 4 u ... old fashion way would be rm -rf /lib/modules/kernel and manual editing of grub/lilo files but the update-grub can be ported to any linux distro too Now, granted, I started on debian and this is the only way I've ever built/installed kernels, but I think only having to type two or three commands is an advantage over five, there is only make in terms of commands ... there is nothing else vs the gazillion distro dependent commands and switches for each command (Please note that I respect your opinion, I just want to know your rational. If there's a better way to do anything, I want to know. :)) ditto ... my point(s) is simple a. there is more than one way to do the same thing and one way is NOT better than another just depends on the user that has to type that command ... take out the stop watch and see how long it takes them b. claiming that xx distro does this and that and the other distro cannot do something when in fact it can ( maybe better or maybe worst ) is NOT gonna sell that feature of that distro - does it need to be done the same way ??? probably not bottom line is the individual users experiences in the past and willingness ( or see the light ) to learn new things or do it the old fashion way that works for their envirnment of 10 or 1000 machines - still is a job for one person - following the bandwagon because others are doing is a usually a sure fire way to get burnt big time because you didnt have your own specs/requirements/abilities drive that decision ( fedora being the best example of a major [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mysql-server dependency
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 09:48:53PM +0700, David Garamond wrote: Why does the mysql-server package depend on mailx? I don't see something like this on Redhat's package, for example. Because of the checks for corrupt database tables that the initscript for it makes on every startup. Thanks, this is the only thing I wanted to know. Didn't mean to nitpick nor whine. How else do you expect it to tell you that something is wrong? Not all database machines have a console people stare at on each boot, nor do you necessarily want the boot to pause while it displays that message (the machine may be tasked with other things besides a database server). Cluebies whine continually about how useless local mail is. They're wrong. What you use to PROVIDE it, is open to argument. As for what RedHat's packages do... who cares? -- dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian - longer
Alvin Oga wrote: in my book, there is no significant advantage to make-kpkg + dpkg Except that dpkg is the standard tool for Debian. Once built for that it is trivial to get from one machine to the next. If we're talking kernel compiles on Debian that's why it is better. Why am I on Debian? aptitude, apt, dpkg. Why would I manage every other piece of software using tools instead of the old tgz/make/make install and then revert for this one portion? Not only that but once ya learn the commands it is far more trivial to manage and move around. I don't need to know which directories to tar, they're in the dpkg. I don't need to worry about updating lilo/grub, that's part of the install process. I can compile here on my 2Ghz machine and install there on my 200Mhz machine with a minimal number of commands If this isn't about kernel compiles on Debian that all is that it moot. However since this is the Debian user list I do tend to start from a few preconceptions. dpkg + apt is better than tgz + make. If it weren't then I question why anyone who did not feel that way is using Debian instead of Slackware. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Migrating from qmail: which MTA?
Ollie Acheson wrote: I guess my first question is why do you want to stop using qmail? It's highly secure and robust, plus you have already climbed its learning curve. The reasons are partly convenience and partly a political decision. We try to use only packages from the official main Debian archive, the stable distribution, so that we don't have to rebuild stuffs to fix security exploits (though I admit I've never had to upgrade qmail ever since 1.03, it's been proven to be very secure). The other reason is that we want to reject qmail because of its binary redistribution policy. Enforcing /var/qmail layout is acceptable, but forbidding binaries don't really make sense to us. [snip] Good luck with your transfer. Thanks for all the advice. We're still undecided though :-) -- dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
Mark Crean wrote: Debian must be fantastic as a server OS (though I've never had trouble in three and a half years with SuSE for httpd, ftp, mail, so far) but it seems too rough on the desktop, lacking in polish and with the Debian system of commands in many ways more complicated than the rpm and YaST-based stuff on SuSE (which can also now be set up for the apt system). I don't think this is the case any longer. Just yesterday I installed Debian on my Dell laptop using the bootable ISO for Woody. Compared to the last time I did a similar install (2+ years ago) using floppies it was a large improvement. I didn't have to configure sound, it worked. Didn't have to configure the dock's network card, that worked too. Didn't have to configure X, pretty much everything there was autodetected. In fact I screwed it up by presuming the autodetection wouldn't work and only got it functional when I just let it autodetect. Those were the three major hurdles from times past. I blew away a Win2k installation to install Debian on this machine. That Win2k installation wasn't really any easier than Debian this time around. As for usability it came up with gdm, gnome+kde (I prefer KDE but gdm is good in its own right) and the only applications I installed were Firefox and Thunderbird though I could have jused used Mozilla versions of those that were installed and be done with it. First order of business was to check my mail and open a document someone had sent me. Open Office was installed and already configured, Thunderbird knew where to hand it off. In short I went from install to productive with only 3 package installs in between and no configuration. That isn't polished how? Finally the system commands, no matter which distribution, are cryptic. Maybe it is just my *mumble*too-many*mumble* years using Debian but when confronted with a Red-Hat machine I often want to bang my head against the desk because things don't just work like they do in Debian. If pressed I would call RPM based systems far more complicated. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: GDM display blank on logout
On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 18:07, Aniruddha Kibey wrote: hi all Sorry if this is a repost but I havent recieved any messages that i have recently posted back. They also dont show up in the list archives I am using Debian sid , at start up the GDM display comes out proper , but when I log out the screen comes out blank. I tried searching the list and also on google but have not got anything worthwhile on this. Any help is appreciated Aniruddha Hi Aniruddha, what happens when you login using another user? This might tell you something about the place of the cause: the '/home/username/.files and dirs' or the general ones (/etc usually). Sincerely, Jan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
Mark Crean wrote: Debian must be fantastic as a server OS (though I've never had trouble in three and a half years with SuSE for httpd, ftp, mail, so far) but it seems too rough on the desktop, lacking in polish and with the Debian system of commands in many ways more complicated than the rpm and YaST-based stuff on SuSE (which can also now be set up for the apt system). I started with Debian. It took me a month. I also burned a Mandrake ISO, and some others, and used them as references to see what I should expect to work and what I shouldn't. But under them I was as completely ignorant as to what was actually going on as I was in Windows. I started from ground zero, I mean just getting old non-truetype, plain jane X fonts with twm working. Then getting a GTK1 envronment. Then a GTK2 environment, with anti-aliasing. Then my printer. Then burning CDs. Then watching DVDs. Each task, required active learning on my part, but nothing was inconsistent, or unachievable. It took a month, but by the end I knew exactly what was going on and exactly why each thing worked. I wasn't ignorant any more. But it took a month, and 3 months before I knew how to create my own software. I must have started over 15-20 times. This was a month of 5-6 hours per day. The tradeoff is knowledge and control, versus ease of use. Difficulty vs. frailty. Now I have exactly what I want: a perfect eye-candy environment when I want it, with total control over when and how it functions. It suits me at least. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 01:43:38PM +, Brian Nelson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 11:36:00AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 01:12:47AM +, Brian Nelson wrote: Aptitude does an OK job in this respect. It doesn't make conflict resolution completely obvious, but the information is there. Aptitude shouldn't be used until its fundamental breakages are resolved. It ignores the status file in favor of its own re-implementation of it. Its behavior regarding dependency resolution is different depending on whether you're using it from the command line or the ncurses interface. It's claimed that aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, except that aptitude by default installs Recommends/Suggests, while apt-get only tells you about them. -- Marc Wilson | An aphorism is never exactly true; it is either a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | half-truth or one-and-a-half truths. -- Karl Kraus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
apt-get install anarchism I prefer the tshirt version: http://laughingmeme.org/img/release-candidate-1.png -- Bye, Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian - longer
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 08:25:19PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: I don't need to know which directories to tar, they're in the dpkg. If you ever need to insert raw .debs from scratch: ar -x on the .deb yields a control.tar.gz and a data.tar.gz. cp or mv the data.tar.gz to / and unpack it with tar zxvf data.tar.gz and all the package parts drop into place. I killed a machine at work the other day and managed to get back enough on it to start rebuilding the package database from that. Not fun when even ls has disappeared :) As far as I know, you can't do that with an .rpm Another + for Debian :) Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I need a fast installation method
On Sunday 14 November 2004 20:20, Nicolas Patik wrote: Hi, I was wondering which are your favorites fast installation methods? I need to have ready a fast install method, what do you suggest? anything apt related? or creating my own CD? or a NFS install? Is it possible to install from only one floppy? Thanks, I do net install for the base system. I also make a point of collecting various package lists (dpkg --get-selections file) on various type boxes (e.g. workstation, firewall, webserver, laptop, etc) that I maintain. That way, if I am building a firewall, I can start with a basic package list from a firewall, and tailor it as needed. In fact, gathering the package lists is part of my weekly/monthly backups. Hence, when I build a new system, I do the base install, then once that is complete, copy the package list over to the new box, and do the following: apt-get update zcat firewall-pkglist.gz | dpkg --set-selections apt-get dselect-upgrade And voila. Configure the box and you are off to the races. -- --Brad Bradley M. Alexander | IA Analyst, SysAdmin, Security Engineer| storm [at] tux.org Debian/GNU Linux Developer | storm [at] debian.org Key fingerprints: DSA 0x54434E65: 37F6 BCA6 621D 920C E02E E3C8 73B2 C019 5443 4E65 RSA 0xC3BCBA91: 3F 0E 26 C1 90 14 AD 0A C8 9C F0 93 75 A0 01 34 If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, then they get bigger again. --Rules of the Air, #2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?
On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 10:33:32PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 01:43:38PM +, Brian Nelson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 11:36:00AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 01:12:47AM +, Brian Nelson wrote: Aptitude does an OK job in this respect. It doesn't make conflict resolution completely obvious, but the information is there. Aptitude shouldn't be used until its fundamental breakages are resolved. It ignores the status file in favor of its own re-implementation of it. That's not really a problem, other than #137771, which I assume will be fixed some day. Its behavior regarding dependency resolution is different depending on whether you're using it from the command line or the ncurses interface. Bug number? I've never seen this myself, and don't really care anyway since I do any dependency resolution in the ncurses interface. It's claimed that aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, except Claimed by whom? that aptitude by default installs Recommends/Suggests, while apt-get only tells you about them. By default it installs recommends but not suggests, which is pretty sane to me. I guess all of your problems with aptitude have to do with the command-line interface. It seems rather foolish to complain about that though, since if your using it you're missing out on pretty much all of the power and usefulness of aptitude. -- For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xlibmesa-mach64-dri
On Sunday 14 November 2004 15:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this as part of the struggle to get dri working on the old ATI rage pro clunker. Finally did compile a mach64.ko and got it working. The question is: Do I need this particular package? Any open-GL library I try to install, say for compiling a game, will demand the removal of this package. Will removing it kill my DRI (in other words, catch 22), or is it superfluous? Since they provide the same interface, is there some way to get the other libraries installed leaving this in place? I suppose you are running Sarge or Sid so maybe you need xlibmesa-dri instead. This or its equivalent is what is attempted to install. My worry is that they might not work with the mach64 card--otherwise why is there such a package? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
