Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

[Dave Thayer]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:00:32PM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
> 
> I should clarify what I mean by "cheap": less than $20 or $30 is my goal.
> So, I'll do some trolling around eBay.
> 
Geeks.com have some cheapie players, here's one for $26 which says it
works with linux:



Disclaimer: I have no experience with this particular unit, but i have
purchased other cheap players at geeks.com in the past which were OK.

dt

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Re: Idea for weekly/monthy wallpaper/themes package

[Joe Hart]

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Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:44:13PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>>> Each list has different purposes. Debian-user is about user support.
>> Are you sure about that?  I thought debian-user was for "Help and
>> discussion among users of Debian" (quoted from lists.debian.org)
> 
> I did not expound upon what I meant by user support, but it would
> equivilant to what you said.
> 
>>> Debian-community is about making things like wall papers, themes, and
>>> what-not that maybe used by all members of the debian community. Hosting
>>> is one reason and having all these things in one place is another. You
>>> are welcome to host it on your own but if you wish, contact
>>> debian-community.org.
>> I can see your point, and debian-community would be a good place, but
>> IMO you're coming across rude saying that this is not a place to discuss
>> such an initiative.
> 
> I made no such statement to suggest that he should cease commenting
> here, I was making him aware of a new site that may be used to host and
> discuss debian-related content. If it came accross as rude, that was not
> my intention.
> 
>> I realize by me jumping in here it is opening a can of worms, 
> 
> :-) ewww. worms!
> 
>> but I felt it necessary to point out that this list is about and for
>> the users, not just support.
> 
> Yes. But this list is not about a site to host debian content and about
> debian community.
> -k

It appears that we are in agreement then.  Perhaps I misinterpreted your
use of the word support, which you rightly clarified.  In any event, let
me state my opinion to this topic.

I think it might not be a bad idea, but personally I wouldn't become
involved in a wallpaper of the month activity.  Why?  I have too many of
them already, and am a really lousy artist who could not possibly create
anything that would appeal to a goldfish. So, if I don't want more
wallpaper, and I can't make more wallpaper, what good is a wallpaper of
the month site to me?

Joe

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Re: Unix-ify File Names

[Mike McClain]

Frank Terbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a) `ls *` is an _external_ process.
> b) it breaks on filenames with spaces (and other special characters).
> c) people commonly use 'ls --color' or 'ls -F' aliases for ls.
> There is _no_ reason why 'ls' should ever be used to generate file
> lists for loops of any kind.

Thanks, Frank, for the clear and comprehensive answer.

Just a little better educated now,
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Re: windows download

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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
>> Tim Casey wrote:
>>> will a cd downloaded and burned on a windows machine boot?
>>
>> If you mean a debian-install cd that you downloaded and burned using
>> windows, yet it should work.  You could just go to
>>
>> http://www.goodbye-windows.com
>>
>> and bypass the burning altogether though.
>>
>> Joe
>>
> or go to
> 
> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
> 
> I don't know what's different about the two sides, apart from design.
> Anyone knows?
> 
> Despite their names, you should expect that debian leaves a working
> windows on your system (but do make a backup of your system before
> installing any new OS, just in case).
> 
> Johannes
> 
> 
Well, comparing the two sites, the http://goodbye-microsoft.com is
simpler to follow, but http://www.goodbye-windows.com gives a lot more
detail in what the debian.exe will do.

Personally, I don't know why they both need to exist, but that's beside
the point.  What is the point is that one no longer needs to download
and burn a CD if they want to convert from Windows to Debian.

Joe

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Re: Etch Apt list (and testing/security/volatile)

[Ross Boylan]

There's also volatile
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-volatile/

But the more I look at the documentation, the more confused I get,
particularly as far as testing goes.

The debian-volatile web page refers to sarge and etch.

If one follows testing, does volatile add anything?  Maybe it gets
some packages sooner, or gets updates that don't flow through
sid->testing?  

Is
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile testing/volatile main
contrib non-free
a meaningful target?

On security, I thought support for testing was now official, e.g., see
this notice:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/secure-testing-announce/2006-May/29.html
However, that notice gives the team's web site as
http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, and that page still has the
old locations and generally sounds as if things are not done.
Furthermore, the main Debian security site, security.debian.org,
refers to FAQ, http://www.debian.org/security/faq, which asserts
---
Q: How is security handled for testing and unstable?

A: The short answer is: it's not. Testing and unstable are rapidly
moving targets and the security team does not have the resources
needed to properly support those. If you want to have a secure (and
stable) server you are strongly encouraged to stay with
stable. However, work is in progress to change this, with the
formation of a testing security team which has begun work to offer
security support for testing, and to some extent, for unstable.
--

The release notes, Debian reference, man sources.list, and APT HOW To
also didn't have much I could find on these topics.

I think what's happened is that the documentation (including the web
pages) are lagging actual practice, but I'd love it if someone more
informed could clear this up.

Ross Boylan


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Re: aptitude deleted most of packages!!

[Gabriel Parrondo]

El mié, 18-04-2007 a las 09:16 +0200, Joe Hart escribió:
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> Ninenineone Efx wrote:
> > I think I made a big mistake.
> > 
> > I executed the following command to install a font package.
> > 
> >   aptitude install ttf-unfonts
> > 
> > After it installed the font package, it began to remove packages.
> > I did not expect it delete most of package files so fast.
> > :-(
> > 
> > 
> Looks like you've been bitten by aptitude being "smart".  In the future
> don't blindly answer yes to questions.  Read what they are going to say.
> 
> Now, as for getting your apps back.  They *should* all be in the apt's
> cache.  You just need to reinstall them.  If you can't figure out which
> ones to reinstall, then maybe aptitude was right and you didn't need
> them anyway (there are log files to check to see what was removed).
> 

/var/log/aptitude

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Re: aptitude deleted most of packages!!

[Daniel Burrows]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:05:18AM +0200, Jonathan Kaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> Doesn't aptitude have an "undo" command? ctl-u or something like that.

  Yes, but it doesn't work across sessions.

  Daniel


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Re: aptitude deleted most of packages!!

[Daniel Burrows]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:16:14AM +0200, Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> Now, as for getting your apps back.  They *should* all be in the apt's
> cache.  You just need to reinstall them.  If you can't figure out which
> ones to reinstall, then maybe aptitude was right and you didn't need
> them anyway (there are log files to check to see what was removed).

  If you need to know which packages were removed, read
/var/log/aptitude.

  Daniel


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Re: Debian etch on SONY VAIO VGN-FE880E/H

[stevo123]

Did you ever find out if this is possible?  I'm in the exact same boat.

L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> 
> I have searched google, tuxmobile, linux-laptop etc. I could n't find any
> much useful info regarding installing etch as dual boot in SONY VAIO
> VGN-FE880E/H. I will be thankful for any advice or pointers regarding
> partioin shrinking retaining all that sony gives intially including its
> restore partition. Further i have read vista's partition shring doesn't
> show
> full usable free space unless restore is disabled and something regarding
> shadow and page(I don't know what it is and how to do it).
> Hence taking care of all these, shrinking that new Vista NTFS partition to
> the maximum is my first requirement. I want to get this done properly
> first.
> Hence I nedd advice in this regard first.
> Second regarding making work all the hardware that comes with fe880. Any
> suggestions or pointers in this regard is welcome.
> 
> -- 
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> http://lvgandhi.tripod.com/
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> 
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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 00:36 -0300, Mariano Alonso wrote:
> you have a nice script called keychain to solve this problem. 
> it manages ssh-agent. give it a chance, perhaps you get your problem
> solved

Wait, it is NOT my problem. The idiot I was responding to suggested not
using *ANY* password on your private key. then ANYONE could use it and
pose as you, read your encrypted mail or files...

I use PGP everyday, all the time I have *ZERO* roblem with it.
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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?

[Mariano Alonso]

you have a nice script called keychain to solve this problem.
it manages ssh-agent. give it a chance, perhaps you get your problem solved
chears.

On 4/19/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
> why not in .bashrc - presuming the key doesn't have a password

What is the point of having passwords then? This is for
key-authentication.

If you have no very strong password for your private key, why even
bother.

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Asking the Real Question (was Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/18/07 21:00, Randy Patterson wrote:
> Thanks so much for all the good input from everyone. I now have to go to work 
> checking out some of the packages to see which is the best for my current 
> needs. I have already install lftp and will try sitecopy as well. 

This thread is a perfect example of why people asking opinion
questions should rather ask "task-oriented" questions instead of
getting tunnel vision and saying "Where's the exact copy of my
favorite Windows  program?".

(Note that I'm not ragging on Randy, or belittling him.  It's a trap
we all fall into.)

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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
> why not in .bashrc - presuming the key doesn't have a password 

What is the point of having passwords then? This is for key-authentication.

If you have no very strong password for your private key, why even
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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?

[Alex Samad]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:22:27PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:45:57 +0200
> Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Paul,
> > 
> > Am 2007-04-07 20:26:23, schrieb Paul E Condon:
> > > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of
> > > events that bring up X and Gnome.  I don't reboot often, but when I
> > > do, I forget to run ssh-add.  Where can I place an invocation of
> > > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be
> > > a Debianly correct answer. What is it?
> > 
> > I do not know, why you want to start ssh-agent manualy, but I have a
> > Development-Station where on ALL releases (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny
> > and Sid) the "ssh-agent" starts automaticaly.
> > 
> > I have NEVER started it by hand since it is started by
> > "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent" automaticaly.
> > Please look in
> > 
> > man 5 Xsession.options
> > 
> > to solve this misbehaviour.
> 
> You're misreading his question; ssh-agent is configured by default to
> start automagically, but not ssh-add.
> 
> Celejar

why not in .bashrc - presuming the key doesn't have a password 

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Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[Jerome BENOIT]

But if Feisty has cracked
the 4 GB file size limit on writing DVDs, that will probably turn my
head toward Feisty. I need to do this all the time.


you can grab the Feisty source and then built it for your Debian box:
have you fill a bug report ?

Jerome


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Re: Dosemu

[Ross Boylan]

On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:43:39PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
> Is there anyone on this list who uses dosemu?  I had it working on Sarge 
> ever since Sarge came out, but I am having trouble getting it to work on 
> Etch.
> 
>   Regards,
> 
>   Ken Heard
> 
I track testing and haven't had any troubles.  My understanding is
that an official release consists of a snaphsot of testing, which
happened recently with etch.  Of course, tracking testing is a
different upgrade path than moving directly from one stable release to
another.

There may have been changes in, e.g., the details of the configuration
files.

Ross


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Re: two network cards on a server

[Jeff D]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Faheem Mitha wrote:



Hi everyone,

I've got a server on which there are two network cards. One of the network 
cards has been configured, and has been running satisfactorily for a while. I 
recently plugged in the other network card and started using it for a 
different IP address. However, I've been having persistent problems with that 
interface. Namely, some of the time I can't connect to the interface, which 
seems to go up and down unpredictably, and floods the system logs with DHCP 
requests. Clearly something is badly wrong here, and I am hoping this is 
something simple that can be fixed easily.


This typically looks like

Apr 18 15:16:42 florence kernel: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, 
full-duplex
Apr 18 15:16:43 florence dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 3
Apr 18 15:16:43 florence dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is 
down
Apr 18 15:16:45 florence dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67 interval 3

Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: DHCPOFFER from 152.3.172.1
Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 
port 67

Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: DHCPACK from 152.3.172.1
Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: bound to 152.3.172.111 -- renewal in 43200 
seconds.
Apr 18 15:16:48 florence dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 152.3.250.61 port 
67

Apr 18 15:16:48 florence dhclient: DHCPACK from 152.3.250.61
Apr 18 15:16:48 florence dhclient: bound to 152.3.172.60 -- renewal in 43200 
seconds.

Apr 18 15:16:53 florence kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present

If any has any ideas about this, please let me know. Please copy me at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.


   Faheem.



One more thing you could try is to swap your ethernet cables around.  It 
could be sometihng as simple as a bad cable.  See if the problem follows 
the cable.



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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Randy Patterson]

Thanks so much for all the good input from everyone. I now have to go to work 
checking out some of the packages to see which is the best for my current 
needs. I have already install lftp and will try sitecopy as well. 

Thanks,
Randy


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Re: two network cards on a server

[Faheem Mitha]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:28:29PM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:


Just to be clear, the interfaces are both of the form 152.3.172.*.

If for example they were reconfigured so that one was of the form
152.3.171.* and the other was of the form 152.3.172.& (say) then would the
problem just disappear?


That largely depends on your subnet mask and how your network is routed.
What is the output of `/sbin/ifconfig` with both interfaces up?


See below. The problem interface is eth0. The original one, which still 
seems to work Ok, is eth1.


Thanks.  Faheem.



eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:E0:81:31:33:8C
  inet addr:152.3.172.111  Bcast:152.3.173.255  Mask:255.255.254.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe31:338c/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:2362483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:3663 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:156143284 (148.9 MiB)  TX bytes:617795 (603.3 KiB)

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:E0:81:31:33:64
  inet addr:152.3.172.60  Bcast:152.3.173.255  Mask:255.255.254.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe31:3364/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:14220041 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:26761605 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:2763292401 (2.5 GiB)  TX bytes:35308449413 (32.8 GiB)
  Interrupt:169

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:2317579 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2317579 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:3617337316 (3.3 GiB)  TX bytes:3617337316 (3.3 GiB)

Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:16:18 -0400
Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dijo:

> If you're looking for growisofs (which is the impression I'm
> getting from some of the earlier posts to this thread), it's
> included in dvd+-rw-tools, which is a package that is
> definitely in Lenny and may or may not be in Etch (sorry,
> I'm lazy).
> 
> Note that I discovered this with an "apt-cache search" for
> growisofs--it pulled up the correct result despite growisofs
> not being the name of the package. It's a very useful tool
> if you don't mind a little terminal.

Yep. You're right, growisofs is within dvd+rw-tools. However, dvd
+rw-tools is already installed, so growisofs is not the solution.

I first ran into this problem a few weeks ago on Ubuntu Edgy. If I
recall correctly, I googled and did not discover anything that sounded
like a solution. I did discover that mkisofs had a file size limit of 2
GB and growisofs was the upgrade to increase it to 4 GB. I was hoping
that Etch would finally bring us up to current standards. :(

It sounds like the legendary "640K ought to be enough for anyone." (OK,
that is popularly attributed to Gates, but in fact, he never said it.)
Nevertheless, I am frustrated and I can't understand why I am facing a
file size limit that is seriously out of date. Maybe there is a real
reason for limiting the file size and I don't grasp what it is because
I'm not a programmer. All I know is that I have a two double layer DVD
drives in the new computer that I just built and each double layer DVD
can hold over 8 GB. And if I wanted to get a blue ray drive it could
hold vastly more. So it's time for Linux to move up.

I have been using Ubuntu for the past year on my laptop, and it's my
first foray into Linux. When I built the new computer I set up several
partitions in order to play with different distros. I wanted to gain
more experience. I tried CentOS, Fedora 7, Mandriva, OpenSUSE and a
couple more. Finally Etch was released so I tried it, and I have to
say, I am ready to dump all the RPM distros. When I started working
with Etch I was back home again. Mostly I love Synaptic. In the past I
kvetched about Synaptic now and then, but after trying RPM distros, I
take back all the bad things I said about Synaptic. Debian rules!

OK, Ubuntu Feisty final will be released on the 19th. Actually, as I
write this it is just before 6 pm PST, which means that it is already
the 19th in Europe. Ubuntu's main site confirms that it will be
released "tomorrow." There is a mirror at my university and I can take
my laptop with an ethernet cable and get it super fast. As soon as I
have it on a CD I'm going to install it and take it for a spin. I can
tell y'all this -- the new computer is going to be Feisty or Etch. Or
maybe I'll leave both on it and dual boot. But if Feisty has cracked
the 4 GB file size limit on writing DVDs, that will probably turn my
head toward Feisty. I need to do this all the time.

Meantime, I'll get past the current problem by splitting the file in
two as suggested by Kamaraju (thanks!). I can put both pieces on the
same CD, since each piece will be well under 4 GB. But if anyone has
any other suggestions that might get past the 4 GB file size limit, I'm
all ears.

Thanks for the suggestions. :)


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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Michael Pobega]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:02:36PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 April 2007 17:51, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 04/18/07 16:29, Randy Patterson wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I have installed a couple of the programs and tried Konqueror. But I need
> > > a little more than drag and drop functionality. With the 3dftp program I
> > > used in Windoze you could sync a local directory with a remote site based
> > > upon criteria such as file size and date. You could also setup include
> > > and exclude filters as well on both files and directories. There was a
> > > little learning curve but once you had a site configured you could work
> > > all day on a site locally and at the end of the day just connect to the
> > > remote site, choose the sync direction and your que list was filled. I am
> > > looking for an FTP client on Debian with similar functionality and hoping
> > > to narrow down the number of programs to look at.
> >
> > Ah, so what you *really* want is a website synching app, correct?
> 
> Well, yes, more or less. I have always used FTP in the past but now that you 
> have sort of raise the subject I don't guess I have a requirement for a 
> certain protocol so it wouldn't have to be an FTP client! :-) A good FTP 
> client makes for a good general purpose tool for doing a number of different 
> jobs, website synching would be one of them. I would be open to suggestions 
> for an alternative! I think you can teach an old dog new tricks! :-) I have 
> already downloaded some of the suggested FTP clients for a test run.
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy

lftp using the "mirror" command is a good synching application; mirror
alone mirrors the website to your local computer and mirror -R mirrors
your local site (Everything in `pwd`) to the FTP working directory.


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Re: two network cards on a server

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:28:29PM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> 
> Just to be clear, the interfaces are both of the form 152.3.172.*.
> 
> If for example they were reconfigured so that one was of the form 
> 152.3.171.* and the other was of the form 152.3.172.& (say) then would the 
> problem just disappear?

That largely depends on your subnet mask and how your network is routed.
What is the output of `/sbin/ifconfig` with both interfaces up?

Regards,

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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/18/07 19:02, Randy Patterson wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 April 2007 17:51, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 04/18/07 16:29, Randy Patterson wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I have installed a couple of the programs and tried Konqueror. But I need
>>> a little more than drag and drop functionality. With the 3dftp program I
>>> used in Windoze you could sync a local directory with a remote site based
>>> upon criteria such as file size and date. You could also setup include
>>> and exclude filters as well on both files and directories. There was a
>>> little learning curve but once you had a site configured you could work
>>> all day on a site locally and at the end of the day just connect to the
>>> remote site, choose the sync direction and your que list was filled. I am
>>> looking for an FTP client on Debian with similar functionality and hoping
>>> to narrow down the number of programs to look at.
>> Ah, so what you *really* want is a website synching app, correct?
> 
> Well, yes, more or less. I have always used FTP in the past but now that you 
> have sort of raise the subject I don't guess I have a requirement for a 
> certain protocol so it wouldn't have to be an FTP client! :-) A good FTP 
> client makes for a good general purpose tool for doing a number of different 
> jobs, website synching would be one of them. I would be open to suggestions 
> for an alternative! I think you can teach an old dog new tricks! :-) I have 
> already downloaded some of the suggested FTP clients for a test run.

I can guarantee you that any site-sync app will, or can, use the FTP
protocol.  It just won't be a GP FTP client.

The command "apt-cache search web sync | sort" displays, among 32
other packages, the sitecopy package.  It might not be exactly what
you are looking for, though.

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Re: Troubles with mailman+postfix

[Todd A. Jacobs]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:30:03PM +0200, Andrea S. Gozzi wrote:

> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: mail for lists.vp44.net loops back to myself
> Would somebody know how to fix this?

You might have better luck asking on the postfix list, but in the
meantime you might want to check the values of mydestination, and then
read http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html for information on how
to configure it for delivery.

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Re: xkb options

[cga2000]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 11:55:33PM EDT, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:34:08 -0400
> cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 03:36:13PM EDT, Celejar wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm setting up Xorg to switch between keyboard layouts using keyboard
> > > combinations like 'ctrl_shift'. 'grp:win_switch' works correctly, as
> > > does 'grp:ctrl_shift_toggle'. One thing I can't get to work is
> > > 'grp:win_shift_toggle' or 'grp:win_ctrl_toggle'. In other words,
> > > AFAICT the win key is recognized by itself, but combos involving it and
> > > another modifier aren't, even though combos such as 'ctrl_shift' work
> > > fine. Any ideas? Am I missing something? In 'xev', 'shift' and 'ctrl'
> > > show up as "Shift_L" and "Control_L" (for the left ones), and 'win'
> > > shows up as "Super_L" (unless I set 'grp:win_switch', in which case it
> > > shows up as "Mode_switch". Any help will be appreciated, as well as a
> > > pointer to good docs on this stuff.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I can't answer the above.. but since I'm genuinely
> > interested in everything keyboard-related I do hope somebody else will.
> > 
> > I would like to understand why you want to use _two_ modifiers
> > concurrently.  Doesn't X support five modifiers?  If I'm correct .. on a
> > standard keyboard, this adds up to something like 400 separate actions
> > or thereabout.. To me this sounds like plenty .. I mean _400_ keyboard
> > actions to memorize .. to the point where you can use them automatically
> > without thinking .. implying that if you have to think .. ponder their
> > mnemonic value .. or worse look them up on a cheat sheet ..  it kind of
> > defeats the purpose of keyboard shortcuts, no..?
> > 
> > What I'm driving at .. is that synchronizing modifier+ is already a
> > considerably more difficult task than just hitting . As a result, I
> > have banned modifier1+modifier2+ from my personal landscape.  
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > cga
> 
> Well, to be perfectly honest, the various guides to keyboard switching (e.g. 
> this one [1]), had mentioned 'grp:win_shift_toggle', which I couldn't get to 
> work, and I then became frustrated trying to understand why. Since I 
> understand very little about Xkb options, I have no idea whether all 400 
> single modifier combinations (I assume you mean 5 modifiers multiplied by 
> about 80 keys) are allowed in this context; they may very well be.

Celejar .. do you realize the above is just _one_ single line ..

And now I have to figure out why my mutt setup didn't reformat it to 72
columns as it should .. per all my tweaking ..

:-(

As to your initial question I still have nothing to offer. 

If you need to switch keyboard layout wouldn't it make better sense to
have a single keyboard action mapped to "select next keyboard layout" ..
I mean it's not something you do hundreds of time an hour, is it?

So if you use the "windows key" modifier for something like "terminal
config changes" .. wouldn't it be adequate to hit +  to
switch to the next keyboard layout..?

I do understand the above may not be your primary concern .. as well as
your frustration and the desire to figure out why it's not working the
way it's advertised, though.  I'm curious as well.

I have only one Windows key on this laptop and I have remapped to CTRL
so I can reach it comfortably with my left thumb. 

Please let us know when you find something.

Thanks,
cga


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ide-tape errors filling up syslog

[Richard]

Hello,

I have a machine with a SONY SDX-420C tape drive.

I have backed up to the tape and retrieved data from the tape however syslog 
is being filled up with following errors :



Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel: BUG: warning at 
include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg()
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] ide_build_sglist+0x73/0xb0 
[ide_core]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] 
ide_build_dmatable+0x30/0x12b [ide_core]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] ide_dma_setup+0x23/0x85 
[ide_core]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] 
idetape_issue_packet_command+0x119/0x1f6 [ide_tape]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] ide_do_request+0x554/0x711 
[ide_core]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] idetape_pc_intr+0x123/0x400 
[ide_tape]

Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] try_to_wake_up+0x355/0x35f
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] lock_timer_base+0x15/0x2f
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] ide_intr+0x167/0x190 
[ide_core]

Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] handle_IRQ_event+0x23/0x49
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] __do_IRQ+0x93/0xe8
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] do_IRQ+0x43/0x52
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] common_interrupt+0x1a/0x20
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] Task_Switch+0x90e/0x99a 
[vmmon]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] Vmx86_RunVM+0x35/0x178 
[vmmon]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] Vmx86_LockPage+0x49/0x60 
[vmmon]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] 
LinuxDriver_Ioctl+0x136/0x8dc [vmmon]

Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] lock_timer_base+0x15/0x2f
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] __mod_timer+0x99/0xa3
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] idetape_pc_intr+0x0/0x400 
[ide_tape]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] ide_set_handler+0x2c/0x3e 
[ide_core]
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] idetape_pc_intr+0x3d7/0x400 
[ide_tape]

Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] schedule+0x84e/0x8fe
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] do_ioctl+0x47/0x5d
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] vfs_ioctl+0x24a/0x25c
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] sys_ioctl+0x48/0x5f
Apr 19 09:27:16 fileserver kernel:  [] sysenter_past_esp+0x56/0x79

This is filling up the logs.  every time the tape is being accessed screens 
and screens of this fill up syslog.


Can someone tell me what to do about this ?

Regards,

Richard 



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Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[Amy Templeton]

If you're looking for growisofs (which is the impression I'm
getting from some of the earlier posts to this thread), it's
included in dvd+-rw-tools, which is a package that is
definitely in Lenny and may or may not be in Etch (sorry,
I'm lazy).

Note that I discovered this with an "apt-cache search" for
growisofs--it pulled up the correct result despite growisofs
not being the name of the package. It's a very useful tool
if you don't mind a little terminal.

I hope that helps!

Amy


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Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hi,

John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:41:35 +0800
Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dijo:


John Jason Jordan wrote:

I got burned with this on Ubuntu Edgy, and now it appears I am still
stuck with it under Etch. K3b refuses to burn a file to DVD if the size
of the file exceeds 4 GB. From previous googling I know the problem is
in mkisofs. But I thought that there was a replacement for mkisofs
(growisofs?) 

correct: you may use groisofs which is not realy a replacement of mkisofs


Unfortunately, Synaptic lists only mkisofs, and it also says that it is
just to create a link to genisofs, which is what everyone should be
using now. But genisofs is not listed in Synaptic. Neither is growisofs.


growisofs is within the package `dvd+rw-tools'





and that new distros should have eliminated this problem.

Evidently not. How can I burn large files to DVD?

You can consider larger DVD too: 8 GB DVD


The problem is not the media or the drive. My DVD burner is double
layer and I have some double layer DVDs that can hold 8 GB. I can burn
a DVD that holds 8 GB, but it still can't include any individual files
that are over 4 GB in size. I tried GnomeBaker, K3b and Nautilus. Each
one said that the write failed because the file was over 4 GB. The file
in question is 4.4 GB and it wouldn't work even if I used a double
layer DVD.

Thanks for the response, but I'm stll stuck. 





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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Randy Patterson]

On Wednesday 18 April 2007 17:51, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/18/07 16:29, Randy Patterson wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > I have installed a couple of the programs and tried Konqueror. But I need
> > a little more than drag and drop functionality. With the 3dftp program I
> > used in Windoze you could sync a local directory with a remote site based
> > upon criteria such as file size and date. You could also setup include
> > and exclude filters as well on both files and directories. There was a
> > little learning curve but once you had a site configured you could work
> > all day on a site locally and at the end of the day just connect to the
> > remote site, choose the sync direction and your que list was filled. I am
> > looking for an FTP client on Debian with similar functionality and hoping
> > to narrow down the number of programs to look at.
>
> Ah, so what you *really* want is a website synching app, correct?

Well, yes, more or less. I have always used FTP in the past but now that you 
have sort of raise the subject I don't guess I have a requirement for a 
certain protocol so it wouldn't have to be an FTP client! :-) A good FTP 
client makes for a good general purpose tool for doing a number of different 
jobs, website synching would be one of them. I would be open to suggestions 
for an alternative! I think you can teach an old dog new tricks! :-) I have 
already downloaded some of the suggested FTP clients for a test run.

Thanks,
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Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

John Jason Jordan wrote:

> 
> The problem is not the media or the drive. My DVD burner is double
> layer and I have some double layer DVDs that can hold 8 GB. I can burn
> a DVD that holds 8 GB, but it still can't include any individual files
> that are over 4 GB in size. I tried GnomeBaker, K3b and Nautilus. Each
> one said that the write failed because the file was over 4 GB. The file
> in question is 4.4 GB and it wouldn't work even if I used a double
> layer DVD.
> 
> Thanks for the response, but I'm stll stuck.

I dont know if this will work for you. Back in floppy days, when I had to
copy a 10 MB file onto a bunch of floppy disks (1.4 Mb each), I used the
split command. It can split a large file into multiple smaller files. You
can then burn these individual files onto (separate) DVDs. In future, if
you want to get the original file back, use the cat command.

Another solution is to compress the 4.4 GB. You basically need somekind of
zip, gzip, bzip etc., which will atleast give you 10% compression.

hth
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Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:41:35 +0800
Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dijo:

> John Jason Jordan wrote:
> > I got burned with this on Ubuntu Edgy, and now it appears I am still
> > stuck with it under Etch. K3b refuses to burn a file to DVD if the size
> > of the file exceeds 4 GB. From previous googling I know the problem is
> > in mkisofs. But I thought that there was a replacement for mkisofs
> > (growisofs?) 
> 
> correct: you may use groisofs which is not realy a replacement of mkisofs

Unfortunately, Synaptic lists only mkisofs, and it also says that it is
just to create a link to genisofs, which is what everyone should be
using now. But genisofs is not listed in Synaptic. Neither is growisofs.

> and that new distros should have eliminated this problem.
> > Evidently not. How can I burn large files to DVD?
> 
> You can consider larger DVD too: 8 GB DVD

The problem is not the media or the drive. My DVD burner is double
layer and I have some double layer DVDs that can hold 8 GB. I can burn
a DVD that holds 8 GB, but it still can't include any individual files
that are over 4 GB in size. I tried GnomeBaker, K3b and Nautilus. Each
one said that the write failed because the file was over 4 GB. The file
in question is 4.4 GB and it wouldn't work even if I used a double
layer DVD.

Thanks for the response, but I'm stll stuck. 


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pmount replaced by gnome-mount, HELP!

[Magnus Therning]

I'm running Sid and I'm really excited about GNOME 2.18 starting to
trickle in on my systems.  However, I've noted a regression that
probably is due to my lacking information: my LUKS encrypted USB key
doesn't get mounted :-(

It used to get mounted as /media/Foo (Foo is the label of the
filesystem inside the encrypted block device).  After the latest
upgrade, which pulled in gnome-mount and pushed out pmount, it doesn't
get mounted at all.  The device appears in /dev, after a dialogue pops
up asking me for the password.  The "mapping device" is created as well
as /dev/mapper/luks_crypto_.  I can manually mount the "mapping
device".  I was playing around with gnome-mount a little:

 % gnome-mount --display-settings --device /dev/mapper/luks_crypto_
 gnome-mount 0.6
 libhal-storage.c 1401 : INFO: called LIBHAL_FREE_DBUS_ERROR but dbusError was 
not set.
 ** (gnome-mount:3871): WARNING **: Given device 
'/dev/mapper/luks_crypto_' is not a volume or a drive.
 % gnome-mount --display-settings --device /dev/sdb
 gnome-mount 0.6
 libhal-storage.c 1401 : INFO: called LIBHAL_FREE_DBUS_ERROR but dbusError was 
not set.
 Displaying settings for volume (overrides drive settings)
 hal udi: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_
 % gnome-mount --mount-point Foo --hal-udi 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_
 gnome-mount 0.6
 % mount | grep Secret
 % 

So, how do I get gnome-mount to deal with my LUKS encrypted USB key?
It doesn't seem to have any problems with non-encrypted USB keys.

/M

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Re: Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,

John Jason Jordan wrote:

I got burned with this on Ubuntu Edgy, and now it appears I am still
stuck with it under Etch. K3b refuses to burn a file to DVD if the size
of the file exceeds 4 GB. From previous googling I know the problem is
in mkisofs. But I thought that there was a replacement for mkisofs
(growisofs?) 


correct: you may use groisofs which is not realy a replacement of mkisofs


and that new distros should have eliminated this problem.

Evidently not. How can I burn large files to DVD?


You can consider larger DVD too: 8 GB DVD

hth,
Jerome





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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/18/07 16:29, Randy Patterson wrote:
[snip]
> 
> I have installed a couple of the programs and tried Konqueror. But I need a 
> little more than drag and drop functionality. With the 3dftp program I used 
> in Windoze you could sync a local directory with a remote site based upon 
> criteria such as file size and date. You could also setup include and exclude 
> filters as well on both files and directories. There was a little learning 
> curve but once you had a site configured you could work all day on a site 
> locally and at the end of the day just connect to the remote site, choose the 
> sync direction and your que list was filled. I am looking for an FTP client 
> on Debian with similar functionality and hoping to narrow down the number of 
> programs to look at.

Ah, so what you *really* want is a website synching app, correct?

- --
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Jefferson LA  USA

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Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Re: two network cards on a server

[Jeff D]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Faheem Mitha wrote:




On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote:


Well, there is your problem.

Having two physical interfaces on the same subnet is generally a bad
idea:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/01/msg01633.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2005/03/msg00073.html

You have to really know what you are doing.  It appears that you have
overlooked something in your configuration.  If you can provide more
details, I or someone else might be able to help get you going in the
right direction.

Regards,

-Roberto


I'd be very happy to provide details, if you could tell me what details are 
relevant.


Faheem.


One quick test, what happens if you unplug the interface that is working 
now and just plug in the one that you are having issues with?  That way we 
can at least rule out hardware.



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Re: two network cards on a server

[Faheem Mitha]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


Well, there is your problem.

Having two physical interfaces on the same subnet is generally a bad
idea:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/01/msg01633.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2005/03/msg00073.html

You have to really know what you are doing.  It appears that you have
overlooked something in your configuration.  If you can provide more
details, I or someone else might be able to help get you going in the
right direction.

Regards,

-Roberto


Just to be clear, the interfaces are both of the form 152.3.172.*.

If for example they were reconfigured so that one was of the form 
152.3.171.* and the other was of the form 152.3.172.& (say) then would the 
problem just disappear?


Thanks.  Faheem.

Re: quota not working (segfault)

[Marc]

Mike Bird wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 April 2007 11:14, Marc wrote:
>   
>> repquota and quotatool do actually work:
>> 
>
> Does "repquota -a" work?
yes:

*** Report for user quotas on device /dev/md2
Block grace time: 7days; Inode grace time: 7days
Block limitsFile limits
Userusedsofthard  graceused  soft  hard  grace
--
root  -- 30024068   0   0  23236 0 0
daemon--  16   0   0  4 0 0
[]


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Re: quota not working (segfault)

[Mike Bird]

On Wednesday 18 April 2007 11:14, Marc wrote:
> repquota and quotatool do actually work:

Does "repquota -a" work?

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Re: two network cards on a server

[Faheem Mitha]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


Well, there is your problem.

Having two physical interfaces on the same subnet is generally a bad
idea:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/01/msg01633.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2005/03/msg00073.html

You have to really know what you are doing.  It appears that you have
overlooked something in your configuration.  If you can provide more
details, I or someone else might be able to help get you going in the
right direction.

Regards,

-Roberto


I'd be very happy to provide details, if you could tell me what details 
are relevant.


 Faheem.

Re: Touchpad Configuration

[Michael Pobega]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:08:40PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
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> 
> Michael Pobega wrote:
> > After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
> > give up and do a netinstall.
> > 
> > The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
> > touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
> > configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
> > programs like gsynaptics to control it.
> > 
> > I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
> > "Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
> > to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?
> > 
> > [0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html
> 
> Also try adding the Input device you created to the ServerLayout section
> of your xorg.conf.
> 
> Andrew

That worked perfectly, although of course (Like always) I struggled
figuring it out for an hour, then I send the e-mail and figure it out
right away.

Thanks for the responses, though.


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Re: iptables not behaving the way I expected

[Marc]

Jim Hyslop wrote:
> someone posted a link in this list to a blog that gave an Iptables
> recipe to limit connections to 5 per minute per IP address. So, I issued
> the commands:
>
Why not just try fail2ban from sarge-backports? Works great. And it's
officially in etch.


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Re: two network cards on a server

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 05:39:40PM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:20:49PM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi everyone,
> >>
> >>I've got a server on which there are two network cards. One of the network
> >>cards has been configured, and has been running satisfactorily for a
> >>while. I recently plugged in the other network card and started using it
> >>for a different IP address. However, I've been having persistent problems
> >>with that interface. Namely, some of the time I can't connect to the
> >>interface, which seems to go up and down unpredictably, and floods the
> >>system logs with DHCP requests. Clearly something is badly wrong here, and
> >>I am hoping this is something simple that can be fixed easily.
> >>
> >Are eth1 and eth0 configured to be on the same subnet?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >-Roberto
> 
> Yes. I can send you the output of ifconfig if useful.
> 
> The addresses are both in the 152.3.172.* subnet.
> 
Well, there is your problem.

Having two physical interfaces on the same subnet is generally a bad
idea:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/01/msg01633.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2005/03/msg00073.html

You have to really know what you are doing.  It appears that you have
overlooked something in your configuration.  If you can provide more
details, I or someone else might be able to help get you going in the
right direction.

Regards,

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Fwd: Touchpad Configuration

[Emmanuele Massimi]

You are missing:

InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"

in the section ServerLayout.

Add that, restart X and your touchpad should be working.

Good luck!

On 18/04/07, Anton Piatek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wednesday 18 April 2007 19:54, Michael Pobega wrote:
> After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
> give up and do a netinstall.
>
> The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
> touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
> configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
> programs like gsynaptics to control it.
>
> I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
> "Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
> to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?
>
> [0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html

thinkwiki.org has lots of help for thinkpad setup (which use Synaptics
Touchpads)

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Re: two network cards on a server

[Faheem Mitha]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:20:49PM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:


Hi everyone,

I've got a server on which there are two network cards. One of the network
cards has been configured, and has been running satisfactorily for a
while. I recently plugged in the other network card and started using it
for a different IP address. However, I've been having persistent problems
with that interface. Namely, some of the time I can't connect to the
interface, which seems to go up and down unpredictably, and floods the
system logs with DHCP requests. Clearly something is badly wrong here, and
I am hoping this is something simple that can be fixed easily.


Are eth1 and eth0 configured to be on the same subnet?

Regards,

-Roberto


Yes. I can send you the output of ifconfig if useful.

The addresses are both in the 152.3.172.* subnet.

  Faheem.

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[steef]

Liam O'Toole wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:14:44 +
steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Michelle Konzack wrote:



[...]

  

So you think, the kidnaping of 17 german and 8 french cizizen and
threeting as terrorists (7 of them are in Guantanamo) without any
judgement since over 3 years is "extremely civil" ???

The actions of the USA ARE TERRORISM to demoraliser the arabic
comunity and specialy the islamic one.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant


  
  
i could not agree more than i do with michelle on this point. the 
us-government has become a lawless corporate steered oligarchy.

ethical criteria, the basis of all law, have in this police-state
been replaced by the white house with ad-hoc cynism.



Much as I agree with both of you, I had hoped that this thread had
finally died. No such luck.

  
mmm you are right. i just answered roberto. so now i stop helping to 
continue this thread. yep: let it die out.


steef


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[steef]

Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:14:44PM +, steef wrote:
  
 
  
i could not agree more than i do with michelle on this point. the 
us-government has become a lawless corporate steered oligarchy. ethical 
criteria, the basis of all law, have in this police-state been replaced 
by the white house with ad-hoc cynism.




Right, but what does what Clinton and Gore did have to do with what the
US is doing now? 
preparing it: clinton was allready processing what became evident the 
last 6 years.



 I thought everyone was busy blaming W.

no


  Now you come
along dredge up this old stuff?
  

i wish that were true.

regards,

steef


Regards,

-Roberto

  



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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Randy Patterson]

On Wednesday 18 April 2007 13:39, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:36:40 -0500
>
> Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related
> > topics seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a
> > lot of web development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my
> > previous FTP client doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see
> > anything like "Kftp" in my KDE menu systems. Any suggestions for a
> > good highly configurable FTP client?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Randy
>
> You could try searching this list. The same question was asked just a
> couple of days ago.
>
> --
>
> Liam

You are of course quit right. I did some googling before hand but should have 
done a search on the list before posting. Thanks for pointing that out and 
thanks to others who were more forgiving and helpful in light of that 
oversight. 

I have installed a couple of the programs and tried Konqueror. But I need a 
little more than drag and drop functionality. With the 3dftp program I used 
in Windoze you could sync a local directory with a remote site based upon 
criteria such as file size and date. You could also setup include and exclude 
filters as well on both files and directories. There was a little learning 
curve but once you had a site configured you could work all day on a site 
locally and at the end of the day just connect to the remote site, choose the 
sync direction and your que list was filled. I am looking for an FTP client 
on Debian with similar functionality and hoping to narrow down the number of 
programs to look at.

Thanks,
Randy


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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

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> Hey,
> 
> I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related topics 
> seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a lot of web 
> development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my previous FTP client 
> doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see anything like "Kftp" in my KDE 
> menu systems. Any suggestions for a good highly configurable FTP client?

I like gftp...

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Re: two network cards on a server

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:20:49PM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've got a server on which there are two network cards. One of the network 
> cards has been configured, and has been running satisfactorily for a 
> while. I recently plugged in the other network card and started using it 
> for a different IP address. However, I've been having persistent problems 
> with that interface. Namely, some of the time I can't connect to the 
> interface, which seems to go up and down unpredictably, and floods the 
> system logs with DHCP requests. Clearly something is badly wrong here, and 
> I am hoping this is something simple that can be fixed easily.
> 
Are eth1 and eth0 configured to be on the same subnet?

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Idea for weekly/monthy wallpaper/themes package

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
> Hi list/group, (I seem to be in a slashy mood...)
> 
> I've had an idea for a while to make a package of wallpaper and/or
> other theme elements and put it in a repository, updated weekly or
> monthly--maybe one package for each--so people could install the
> package, set their wallpaper to /usr/share/wallpapers/the-monthly-
> wallpaper.png, and get automatically updated wallpaper every so
> often.  Perhaps there could even be some debconf and virtual package
> magic to let the user decide to install the last X-months worth of
> wallpapers, or something like that...you get the idea.
> 
> So my question is, would anyone be interested in something like that?
> Do you have any ideas for how to do it better, or what to include?
> Maybe different themes, like scenery, urban, art, Linux-related,
> water, sky, macro, etc.  What do you think?
> 
> 
I think this is not a good idea... You could do some package that update
weekly the wallpaper downloading it from somewhere but a package
changing the image once weekly-monthly I believe it's not good.

You could do something like a GUI that download from some specific
website the new daily/weekly/monthly image/wallpaper/theme and then this
install it and you could say what days of the week update or if you
don't want to update it anymore.

I think this is more easy that making aptitude upgrade all the weeks...
Besides, You need to wait 10 days until package get testing, so it's not
a good idea ;-)

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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?

[Celejar]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:45:57 +0200
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Paul,
> 
> Am 2007-04-07 20:26:23, schrieb Paul E Condon:
> > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of
> > events that bring up X and Gnome.  I don't reboot often, but when I
> > do, I forget to run ssh-add.  Where can I place an invocation of
> > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be
> > a Debianly correct answer. What is it?
> 
> I do not know, why you want to start ssh-agent manualy, but I have a
> Development-Station where on ALL releases (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny
> and Sid) the "ssh-agent" starts automaticaly.
> 
> I have NEVER started it by hand since it is started by
> "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent" automaticaly.
> Please look in
> 
> man 5 Xsession.options
> 
> to solve this misbehaviour.

You're misreading his question; ssh-agent is configured by default to
start automagically, but not ssh-add.

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Burn files > 4 GB to DVD

[John Jason Jordan]

I got burned with this on Ubuntu Edgy, and now it appears I am still
stuck with it under Etch. K3b refuses to burn a file to DVD if the size
of the file exceeds 4 GB. From previous googling I know the problem is
in mkisofs. But I thought that there was a replacement for mkisofs
(growisofs?) and that new distros should have eliminated this problem.
Evidently not. How can I burn large files to DVD?


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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:36:40PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related topics 
> seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a lot of web 
> development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my previous FTP client 
> doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see anything like "Kftp" in my KDE 
> menu systems. Any suggestions for a good highly configurable FTP client?
> 
Hands down: lftp

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:14:44PM +, steef wrote:
> >  
> i could not agree more than i do with michelle on this point. the 
> us-government has become a lawless corporate steered oligarchy. ethical 
> criteria, the basis of all law, have in this police-state been replaced 
> by the white house with ad-hoc cynism.
> 
Right, but what does what Clinton and Gore did have to do with what the
US is doing now?  I thought everyone was busy blaming W.  Now you come
along dredge up this old stuff?

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Paul,

Am 2007-04-07 20:26:23, schrieb Paul E Condon:
> Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of
> events that bring up X and Gnome.  I don't reboot often, but when I
> do, I forget to run ssh-add.  Where can I place an invocation of
> ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be
> a Debianly correct answer. What is it?

I do not know, why you want to start ssh-agent manualy, but I have a
Development-Station where on ALL releases (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny
and Sid) the "ssh-agent" starts automaticaly.

I have NEVER started it by hand since it is started by
"/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent" automaticaly.
Please look in

man 5 Xsession.options

to solve this misbehaviour.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Systemadministrator
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Re: Touchpad Configuration

[Anton Piatek]

On Wednesday 18 April 2007 19:54, Michael Pobega wrote:
> After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
> give up and do a netinstall.
>
> The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
> touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
> configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
> programs like gsynaptics to control it.
>
> I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
> "Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
> to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?
>
> [0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html

thinkwiki.org has lots of help for thinkpad setup (which use Synaptics 
Touchpads)

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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Ken Irving]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:21:48PM -0800, Ken Irving wrote:
> Who know's if it will ever be fixed...
  ^
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Driver for Lucent modem

[dmjuraj-gzap]

Short question: Where from can I download precompiled driver for
Lucent (Agere Systems) modem for Debian Etch?
   
  Please forward reply to my private email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  Long description:
   
  WARNING: Don't do this at home!
   
  I have problem configuring my modem within etch.
I have Lucent modem that worked with 2.4 kernel in sarge.
   
  $ lspci
00:13.0 Communication controller: Agere Systems 56k WinModem (rev 01)
$ lspci -n
00:13.0 0780: 11c1:0440 (rev 01)
   
  Driver that I used does not compile now.
After searching I found ltmodem-2.6.alk-8.tar.bz2 
Docs with packages say it is not enough to install linux-headers-2.6-686
but I have to install whole kernel source and compile. So I did.
   
  I untared source:
ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 /usr/src/linux-2.6.18
cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.18
cp /boot/config-2.6.18-4-686 .config
make bzImage
make modules
   
  I thing produced kernel should be same as one that is installed (since
I used unmodified configuration) so I did not install this kernel.
  Now to compile modem driver.

  After untaring driver when I compiled it there was error!
   
  $ make -k
make -C /usr/src/linux-2.6.18 SUBDIRS=/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8 
modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18'   CC [M]  
/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/lt_modem.o
/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/lt_modem.c:123: error: expected ‘)’ 
before string constant
/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/lt_modem.c:125: error: expected ‘)’ 
before string constant
/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/lt_modem.c:130: error: expected ‘)’ 
before string constant
make[2]: *** [/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/lt_modem.o] Error 1
  CC [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/serial.o
/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/serial.c:735: error: unknown field 
‘devfs_name’ specified in initializer
make[2]: *** [/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/serial.o] Error 1
make[2]: Target `__build' not remade because of errors.
make[1]: *** [_module_/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8] Error 2
make[1]: Target `modules' not remade because of errors.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18'
make: *** [module] Error 2
   
  Relevant code from lt_modem.c is here:

  120: static int vendor_id = 0;
121: static int device_id = 0;
122:
123: MODULE_PARM(vendor_id, "i");
124: MODULE_PARM_DESC(vendor_id, "Vendor ID of the Lucent Modem e.g. 
vendor_id=0x11c1");
125: MODULE_PARM(device_id, "i");
126: MODULE_PARM_DESC(device_id, "Device ID of the Lucent Modem e.g. 
device_id=0x0440");
127:
128: static int Forced[4] = {-1,-1,-1,0};
129:
130: MODULE_PARM(Forced, "4i");
131: MODULE_PARM_DESC(Forced, "Forced Irq,BaseAddress,ComAddress[,NoDetect] of 
the Lucent Modem e.g. Forced=3,0x130,0x2f8");
   
  After little reading kernel source I decided to replace offending lines with 
new ones:

  123: MODULE_PARM(vendor_id, "i");
125: MODULE_PARM(device_id, "i");
130: MODULE_PARM(Forced, "4i");
  for:
  123: module_param(vendor_id, int, 0);
125: module_param(device_id, int, 0);
130: module_param_array(Forced, int, NULL, 0);
   
  Note that I do not really know what am I doing here and this
does not solve problem (read later) but it compile now with no error :)
   
  I also changed serial.c file to make it compileable:
   
  728: static struct uart_driver lt_serial_reg = {
729:  .owner   = THIS_MODULE,
730:  .driver_name  = "ltserial",
731: #ifdef LT_USE_OLD_NAMES
732: // .devfs_name  = "tts/LT",
733:  .dev_name  = "ttyLT",
734: #else
735: // .devfs_name  = "tts/LTM",
736:  .dev_name  = "ttyLTM",
737: #endif
738:  .major   = 62,
739:  .minor   = 64,
740:  .nr   = 1,
741:  .cons   = 0,
742: };
   
  I did commented out lines 732 and 735 after checking in kernel's file
  /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/include/linux/serial_core.h
that struct uart_driver indeed does not have member named devfs_name!

  After that:
  $ make
make -C /usr/src/linux-2.6.18 SUBDIRS=/home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8 
modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18'
  CC [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/lt_modem.o
  CC [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/serial.o
  LD [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/ltmodem.o
  LD [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/ltserial.o
  Building modules, stage 2.
  MODPOST
  CC  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/ltmodem.mod.o
  LD [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/ltmodem.ko
  CC  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/ltserial.mod.o
  LD [M]  /home/juraj/tmp/source/ltmodem-2.6-alk-8/ltserial.ko
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18'
   
  Now module compile without any error reported.
Me very happy!
   
  Following docs further I did:
copy ltmodem.ko and ltserial.ko into folder
/lib/modules/2.6.18-4.686/other
that I created.

  Also added ltserial to /etc/modules.
   
  Now to configure udev here is part of doc:
 

Re: select grub partition

[Roby]

Marco Mandl wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have sarge running with root, boot and grub on the first partition on my
> disk. Now I want to install etch on a second partition and eventually the
> first one will be deleted.
> 
> I installed etch with debootstrap on the second and installed grub there,
> too. This second partion is now flaged as boot. But still the system boots
> from the first partition using the setting of grub on this partition.
> 
> What do I have to do to make it boot from the second partition with the
> grub there?
> 
> Regards,
> Marco
> 
This should do it:
grub> root (hd0,1)  # Tell grub where
grub> setup (hd0)   # Rewrite MBR
grub> quit 
... Next boot will be from hda2 (or maybe sda2)



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two network cards on a server

[Faheem Mitha]

Hi everyone,

I've got a server on which there are two network cards. One of the network 
cards has been configured, and has been running satisfactorily for a 
while. I recently plugged in the other network card and started using it 
for a different IP address. However, I've been having persistent problems 
with that interface. Namely, some of the time I can't connect to the 
interface, which seems to go up and down unpredictably, and floods the 
system logs with DHCP requests. Clearly something is badly wrong here, and 
I am hoping this is something simple that can be fixed easily.


This typically looks like

Apr 18 15:16:42 florence kernel: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, 
full-duplex
Apr 18 15:16:43 florence dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 
67 interval 3
Apr 18 15:16:43 florence dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is 
down
Apr 18 15:16:45 florence dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 
67 interval 3
Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: DHCPOFFER from 152.3.172.1
Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 
67
Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: DHCPACK from 152.3.172.1
Apr 18 15:16:46 florence dhclient: bound to 152.3.172.111 -- renewal in 43200 
seconds.
Apr 18 15:16:48 florence dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 152.3.250.61 port 67
Apr 18 15:16:48 florence dhclient: DHCPACK from 152.3.250.61
Apr 18 15:16:48 florence dhclient: bound to 152.3.172.60 -- renewal in 43200 
seconds.
Apr 18 15:16:53 florence kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present

If any has any ideas about this, please let me know. Please copy me at 
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select grub partition

[Marco Mandl]

Hello,

I have sarge running with root, boot and grub on the first partition on my
disk. Now I want to install etch on a second partition and eventually the
first one will be deleted.

I installed etch with debootstrap on the second and installed grub there,
too. This second partion is now flaged as boot. But still the system boots
from the first partition using the setting of grub on this partition.

What do I have to do to make it boot from the second partition with the
grub there?

Regards,
Marco



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Re: windows download

[Tim Casey]

Thanks and your right about the verse.

On 4/18/07, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:21:04PM -0500, Tim Casey wrote:
> will a cd downloaded and burned on a windows machine boot?
>
Yes, as long as you choose "burn as image" or something similar in your
CD burning software.  That is, the .iso file that you download will be
an image of a CD.  If you burn just the file to the CD, then it won't
work.  They way you can check is by opening the CD after burning it.  If
you only see one file which ends in .iso, you did not burn it correctly.
If you see lots of files and directories, then the CD was burned
correctly.

In any case, you can consult the documentation for your CD burning
software.

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Amen!  (But the verse is actually Romans 10:13)

Regards,

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Bash bashed by libc6 upgrade

[David Baron]

Sid is now in its post-release fun state. After upgrading libc6, locales, 
system was entirely broken. I booted up knoppix and made a few symlinks and 
could now boot. Also saw most apps worked just fine ... if I was not in bash. 
Bash gives errors about accessing the new library symlinks. Everything else 
seems to use them just fine.

Changed my user shell to plain sh (csh also works) so now I could log in to 
consoles and kde would come up. Everything (but bash) seems to play. The 
other shells do not work so well in KDE's konsole but this is keyboard 
problems more than anything else (also no autocomplete).

Here is what bash gives starting up:
uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory
uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory
bash: [: !=: unary operator expected
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
bash: [: too many arguments
bash: [: =: unary operator expected
sed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory
/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory
/bin/true: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory

Trying to run anything in bash will cite one of the above or one or two other 
such libraries (symlinked).

Workaround? Who's bug would this be?


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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Ken Irving]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:12 -0800
> Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ken,
> 
> > This has been discussed several times.  As I recall it's really a bug
> 
> I wasn't aware that it had, but that's because I'm relatively new to
> this list.  Possibly the last discussion was before my time.
> 
> > in the smartlist (I think) software used for the mailing lists, and
> [snip]
> 
> Thanks for the insights and info.

Looking back in my list archive, it was under the (somewhat notorious)
"Barbara O" thread, which I suppose probably originated in a demand
to unsubscribe.  Somewhere along in there were the notes:

  > SmartList is built around procmail, and formail is used to mung headers

and:

  I posted a small procmail recipe to do this under debian bug 345283,
  where this problem had been discussed recently.

Who know's if it will ever be fixed...

Ken

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Re: Unix-ify File Names

[Frank Terbeck]

H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Frank Terbeck wrote:
>
>> b) it breaks on filenames with spaces (and other special characters).
>> While newlines and other special characters might be rather weird
>> for filenames, spaces are perfectly okay and normal in filenames.
>> Using 'for i in `ls *`'-type loops breaks this and is one of the
>> main reasons why people think spaces are bad in filenames.
>> (They are not bad, some people just do not know how to handle
>> them properly.)
>
> I usually get by this problem by enclosing the variable in double quotes 
> within the for loop. A basic example:
>
> $> for f in *.jpg; do ls "$f"; done

Yeah, you are using the for-loop construct absolutely right.
I was arguing about

  for i in `ls *.jpg` ; do whatever "$i" ; done

And you are, of course, right, that in POSIX shells, parameters should
be double-quoted when used in almost every case, unless you know that
you want splitting by $IFS.

Regards, Frank

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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:16:40PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 20:37:31 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:12 -0800 Ken Irving wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Ken,
> > 
> > > This has been discussed several times.  As I recall it's really a bug
> > 
> > I wasn't aware that it had, but that's because I'm relatively new to
> > this list.  Possibly the last discussion was before my time.
> 
> Now I remember: It was of cause the thread that marked Barbara Oncay's
> debut on this list. 
> 

ah. such heady days...


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[Jim Hyslop]

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Hello, all

I've set my SSH to accept only public key authorization, and forwarded
port 22 from the Big Bad Internet to my Debian box. Predictably, I'm
being hit by a lot of dictionary attempts to log in. A while back,
someone posted a link in this list to a blog that gave an Iptables
recipe to limit connections to 5 per minute per IP address. So, I issued
the commands:

iptables -A INPUT -i ethLRZ -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW \
-m recent --set --name SSH

iptables -A INPUT -i ethLRZ -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW \
-m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 5 --rttl --name SSH \
-j DROP

but that didn't throttle back the attempts. I tried '-i eth0' instead of
ethLRZ, but no effect.

'iptables -L' shows:

Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source destination
   tcp  --  anywhere   anywhere tcp dpt:ssh state NEW
recent: SET name: SSH side: source
DROP   tcp  --  anywhere   anywhere tcp dpt:ssh state NEW
recent: UPDATE seconds: 60 hit_count: 5 TTL-Match name: SSH side: source

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

It looks right to my (non-expert) eye. Can anyone see what I've done wrong?

Oh, yeah - I'm running Sarge, in case that makes a difference.

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Re: Unix-ify File Names

[Frank Terbeck]

Daniel B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Frank Terbeck wrote:
>> Mike McClain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Frank Terbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>  for FILE in `ls *$1` ; do
> ...
>> b) it breaks on filenames with spaces (and other special characters).
> ...> Using 'for i in `ls *`'-type loops breaks this and is one of the
>> main reasons why people think spaces are bad in filenames.
>> (They are not bad, ...
>
> In what sense are they not bad?  Yes, they're certainly legal per the
> filesystem and most tools that take filenames.  However, they and other
> special characters do make it more difficult to handle arbitrary file
> names.

No. They are never bad. It just takes a bit of practice to get used to
do things in a robust way.

> For example, if someone wants to use ls's feature of sorting by date
> (e.g., "ls -t *$1"), they cant combine it with the for-loop construct
> above (reliably).

Okay, I admit that sorting is one of the rare cases where

[snip]
find . -printf '%Ts:%p\n' | sort -rn | cut -d: -f2 | while IFS= read -r ; do
  ...
done
[snap]

or

[snip]
IFS='
'
for i in `find . -printf '%Ts:%p\n' | sort -rn | cut -d: -f2` ; do
  ...
done
[snap]

loops are justified. At least in POSIX shell. I really didn't think of
sorting in my original mail. Thanks for noting. (But still you don't
use broken for loops.)

Note, that the for loop does _not_ use an external program with
globbing. And it only works with spaces, because of the changed $IFS
parameter.  This may lead to unexpected results if it is not reset to
it's old value inside of the loop.

However, Bash, ksh and zsh users may still overcome this:

[snip]
oifs="$IFS"
IFS='
'
set -- x $(find . -printf '%Ts:%p\n' | sort -rn | cut -d: -f2)
IFS="$oifs"
shift
while [ -n "$1" ] ; do
  echo file: "$1"
  shift
done
[snap]

This will _not_ work in a pure POSIX shell like dash, as it only
permits 10 positional parameters; those shells will indeed have to
used a while loop fed by find(1) (like I noted above).

Of course, this breaks with newline characters in filenames, but
newlines are really uncommon (probably on left on a system by users
who don't want their files to be deleted. :-)).

And in zsh, you would actually do:
[snip]
for i in **/*(om) ; do foobar $i ; done
[snap]

Yes, zsh does recursive globbing and lets you define the sorting of
the generated file list.

Its really a pity that find(1) does not allow sorting by itself (and
if it was only by a handful of criteria).

But we are slowly leaving the topic, here. I just wanted to make sure
that beginners are not confronted with problematic for-loop constructs
like in the first mail I was replying to. Manipulating $IFS is
probably not something to confront beginners with either.

> Hey, is there any command for taking a filename and escaping/encoding
> shell-special characters to make a string that, when parsed by the
> shell, specifies that filename?  I'm thinking of something that would
> work like this:
>
>for i in `encode_for_shell *` ; ...
[...]

No, that is not how shells work.
Just to repeat this once and for all:
_Never_ do 'for i in `ls *`'. Never. It's broken.

> > some people just do not know how to handle them properly.)
>
> You might not be, but it sounds like you're blaming users.  Sometimes
> it's developers of tools (including designers of formats) that don't
> have an escape mechanism to handle spaces or other special characters
> (or don't provide support for encoding special characters) who are to
> blame.

Well, the shell is really really old. It has its flaws. That is why it
is not that easy to use and understand for beginners. Especially, if
they are taught how to do things wrong, that often. I admit that it
can be quite difficult to do things right[tm]. I'm making mistakes
when scripting in 'sh' all the time (at least if the script is a
little more than trivial).

[...]
>> Some people use things like this instead:
>> [snip]
>> ls * | while read file ; do whatever_command "$file" ; done
>> [snap]
>> This is just a little better than the for loop. It still breaks in
>> some situations. 
>
> I see how it would break with a newline character in a file name.
> What other cases break?

Broken aliases.
Too long argument lists. Yeah, 'ls | while ...' does not have the
argument problem, but as soon as you start globbing, it's there.

>> There is _no_ reason why 'ls' should ever be used to generate file
>> lists for loops of any kind.
>
> What about things that ls does that the shell's expansion of wildcards
> does not do (e.g., sorting by date or size)?
>
> (Maybe ls should have an equilavent to find's "-print0" option.)

In these cases, you use find(1) (in conjunction with other standard
tools, like sort, cut etc.).


Please note, that what I am writing here are no must-dos, of course.
I do not intend to attack anybody. I mean, there are people who know
POSIX shell scripting far better than I do, so who am I to judge
others? But 'for i in `ls *`' is really annoyingly wron

Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 20:37:31 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:12 -0800 Ken Irving wrote:
> 
> Hello Ken,
> 
> > This has been discussed several times.  As I recall it's really a bug
> 
> I wasn't aware that it had, but that's because I'm relatively new to
> this list.  Possibly the last discussion was before my time.

Now I remember: It was of cause the thread that marked Barbara Oncay's
debut on this list. 

It starts here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/04/msg01665.html

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

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On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:23:01PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> 
> It had a mass SMTP drive-by at the hands of Michelle Konzack.

ROFLOL!!

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Re: Idea for weekly/monthy wallpaper/themes package

[P Kapat]

On 4/18/07, Dusty Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 15 Apr 2007 01:52:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> So my question is, would anyone be interested in something like that?

Yes.  I would love it.  But it'd need to support both dual-monitor
(1280x2048) setups as well as a single widescreen (1280x768) for me to
properly enjoy it.


I would prefer that too... Just to re-instate the issue: the package
should be aware of dual monitors with (may be different)
resolutions...


> Do you have any ideas for how to do it better, or what to include?
> Maybe different themes, like scenery, urban, art, Linux-related,
> water, sky, macro, etc.  What do you think?


But someone will have to manully get (download/create) the wallpapers
and assign tags and such things... Sounds good none the less...

Carry on...
PK


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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:12 -0800
Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Ken,

> This has been discussed several times.  As I recall it's really a bug

I wasn't aware that it had, but that's because I'm relatively new to
this list.  Possibly the last discussion was before my time.

> in the smartlist (I think) software used for the mailing lists, and
[snip]

Thanks for the insights and info.

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Troubles with mailman+postfix

[Andrea S. Gozzi]

I'm currently running Postfix with SQL backend for virtual domains.
One of the domain owners wants to set up a mailing list and I decided to
go with Mailman (great web administration).

I installed Mailman and configured it (along with Postfix) following the
instructions here:
http://workaround.org/moin/PostfixTutorialContributions and everything
seems to work. I can create/delete/manage mailing lists but now postfix
is unable to delivery any message.

Postfix is 'mail.vp44.net' and I added an A record for
'lists.vp44.net' .
This came out in mail.warn:


> Apr 18 16:44:46 bnix postfix/smtp[9141]: warning: host
> lists.vp44.net[212.68.198.73]:25 greeted me with my own hostname
> mail.vp44.net
> Apr 18 16:44:46 bnix postfix/smtp[9141]: warning: host
> lists.vp44.net[212.68.198.73]:25 replied to HELO/EHLO with my own
> hostname mail.vp44.net

And that's in delivery failed e-mail:


> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: mail for lists.vp44.net loops back to myself


Would somebody know how to fix this?


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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Ken Irving]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:39:32PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:07:08 -0400
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At the bottom of every mailing from any Debian mailing list is a
> > footer on howto remove yourself it reads:
> 
> Unless somebody has PGP signed their message.  Then, for some reason[0],
> the unsub info doesn't get attached to the message sent to the list.
> Of course, the remaining 70% of messages have the details.
> 
> [0] Which I've not been able to figure out.

This has been discussed several times.  As I recall it's really a bug
in the smartlist (I think) software used for the mailing lists, and has
to do with multipart/mime messages, of which pgp-signed messages are
one example.  I think the deal is that the author(s) or list admin(s)
don't want to mung the body of messages beyond appending the list unsub
message at the bottom.  If you look, the unsub message is there, but is
hidden due to it not having its own mime part -- or maybe it's that the
unsub message is added after the final closing tags of the mime structure.
It was submitted as a bug along with a possible fix, but for whatever
reason the situation persists.

Ken

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 19:43 +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> I had hoped that this thread had finally died. No such luck.

It had a mass SMTP drive-by at the hands of Michelle Konzack.

It is truly amazing how well Michelle keeps the old things a goin'. Just
when they run out of water and fire for the steam... Michelle goes a
fillin' water tank and a stokin' the coal fire.

Not that Michelle is doing anything wrong, just making a point!
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Re: Touchpad Configuration

[Magnus Pedersen]

Michael Pobega wrote:

After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
give up and do a netinstall.

The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
programs like gsynaptics to control it.

I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
"Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?

[0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html



Have you installed the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package?

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Re: Sources list for upgrade from sarge to etch?

[Thilo Six]

Michelle Konzack wrote the following on 18.04.2007 19:46:
> Am 2007-04-09 23:35:38, schrieb Thilo Six:
>> afaik
>>> Deb ftp://ftp.usdebian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib. non-free
>  ^
> This SLASH should not be there.
> 
>>   ^^^ ^^
>>   | | | `no dot here
>>   | |  ` there should be a dot
>>   |  ` should be http
>  ^^
>Why?  FTP is much faster!

For the same reason ftp is not available during install anymore.
Only the http servers are on CDs.

AND NO it is NOT faster.
In fact it puts more stress on mirrors for the same effort (and speed).

If you don´t belive me, read the specific docs available online.


> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
> Michelle Konzack

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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:38:06 -0400
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Celejar,

> Thanks, Florian. Do I understand you correctly that Debian's lists are
> run in a non-RFC-compliant manner? I am shocked, shocked!

:-))

Well, *I* missed the obvious implication of Florian's message, WRT
RFC-compliance.  I'm glad somebody caught it.

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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Liam O'Toole]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:36:40 -0500
Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related
> topics seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a
> lot of web development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my
> previous FTP client doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see
> anything like "Kftp" in my KDE menu systems. Any suggestions for a
> good highly configurable FTP client?
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy
> 
> 

You could try searching this list. The same question was asked just a
couple of days ago.

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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 20:58 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 20:46 +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> >> [0] http://filezilla-project.org/
> >>
> > 
> > The development model for FileZilla sucks compared to most other GUI FTP
> > programs.
> > 
> > It does a lot of screwy things. I can't properly transfer stuff to or
> > from many "standard" ftp servers... including a couple of "FileZilla FTP
> > Daemons".
> > 
> > Though Filezilla is a very nice Idea, it is aimed at Microsoft Visual
> > Studio development, though it does compile on Linux, it is a very filthy
> > code base.
> > 
> 
> 
> Finding this on their home page (click features):
> 
> 
> Overview
> 
> FileZilla is a fast and reliable FTP client for windows with lots of
> useful features and an intuitive interface.
> 
> 
> ... I am not surprised that Greg is not impressed... 8-)

Honestly, I gave it it the ole college try, recently(last week). I've
used it on other peoples windows machines. Actually like the way it
handled many things. But look in the code base...

It scares me that it even works as well as it does. Yes, it does have
many features, yes it can be intuitive. These useful, intuitive features
are aimed at the "great unwashed masses" of Windows.

So, maybe Johannes, you are right in not being surprised, by my not
being impressed.

Though I am impressed it compiles and typically works. That, though, is
a whole OTHER discussion.
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Re: Touchpad Configuration

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Michael Pobega wrote:
> After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
> give up and do a netinstall.
> 
> The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
> touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
> configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
> programs like gsynaptics to control it.
> 
> I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
> "Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
> to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?
> 
> [0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html

Also try adding the Input device you created to the ServerLayout section
of your xorg.conf.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Liam O'Toole]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:14:44 +
steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michelle Konzack wrote:

[...]

> > So you think, the kidnaping of 17 german and 8 french cizizen and
> > threeting as terrorists (7 of them are in Guantanamo) without any
> > judgement since over 3 years is "extremely civil" ???
> >
> > The actions of the USA ARE TERRORISM to demoraliser the arabic
> > comunity and specialy the islamic one.
> >
> > Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
> > Michelle Konzack
> > Systemadministrator
> > Tamay Dogan Network
> > Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
> >
> >
> >   
> i could not agree more than i do with michelle on this point. the 
> us-government has become a lawless corporate steered oligarchy.
> ethical criteria, the basis of all law, have in this police-state
> been replaced by the white house with ad-hoc cynism.

Much as I agree with both of you, I had hoped that this thread had
finally died. No such luck.

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Re: Touchpad Configuration

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Michael Pobega wrote:
> After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
> give up and do a netinstall.
> 
> The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
> touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
> configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
> programs like gsynaptics to control it.
> 
> I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
> "Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
> to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?

Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for some messages from the driver, if
nothing stands out to you, paste it also and post a link to the list.

HTH,
Andrew

> [0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html
> 
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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 20:46 +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote:
>> [0] http://filezilla-project.org/
>>
> 
> The development model for FileZilla sucks compared to most other GUI FTP
> programs.
> 
> It does a lot of screwy things. I can't properly transfer stuff to or
> from many "standard" ftp servers... including a couple of "FileZilla FTP
> Daemons".
> 
> Though Filezilla is a very nice Idea, it is aimed at Microsoft Visual
> Studio development, though it does compile on Linux, it is a very filthy
> code base.
> 


Finding this on their home page (click features):


Overview

FileZilla is a fast and reliable FTP client for windows with lots of
useful features and an intuitive interface.


... I am not surprised that Greg is not impressed... 8-)

Johannes


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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:23:08 +0200
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Florian,

> If I remember correctly it goes something like this:
[snip]

Thanks for the information, Florian.  Most enlightening.

> - The other lists that you mention might simply attach their text in
> an RFC-compliant manner.
 
What, even Yahoo[0]?!   :-)

Yes, one of the lists that *does* show the details after a PGP sig
attachment is run on Yahoo.

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Re: Trying to end my subscription? HELP!

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:17:59 -0400
Jim Hyslop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Jim,

> Brad Rogers wrote:
> > Why though, on this list, does the info get hidden, but on others, I
> > can see it?
> I don't know. The best I can suggest is to examine the message source
> for messages from the two lists, and see what's different.

Okay, thanks Jim.  I'll look at the differences later.

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Re: windows download

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Joe Hart wrote:
> Tim Casey wrote:
>> will a cd downloaded and burned on a windows machine boot?
> 
> 
> If you mean a debian-install cd that you downloaded and burned using
> windows, yet it should work.  You could just go to
> 
> http://www.goodbye-windows.com
> 
> and bypass the burning altogether though.
> 
> Joe
> 
or go to

http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

I don't know what's different about the two sides, apart from design.
Anyone knows?

Despite their names, you should expect that debian leaves a working
windows on your system (but do make a backup of your system before
installing any new OS, just in case).

Johannes


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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 20:46 +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hi Randy.
> 
> Randy Patterson, 18.04.2007 20:36:
> > I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related 
> > topics 
> > seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a lot of web 
> > development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my previous FTP 
> > client 
> > doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see anything like "Kftp" in my KDE 
> > menu systems. Any suggestions for a good highly configurable FTP client?
> 
> $ apt-cache search kde ftp client
> gambas-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component
> kasablanca - fast and free ftp client for KDE
> kftpgrabber - ftp client for KDE
> gambas2-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component
> 
> 
> Additionally you can use Konqueror directly for managing FTP transfers. THE 
> ftp
> client, FileZilla[0], is pretty much useable but not yet finished. But you 
> still
> might want to give it a try.
> 
> 
> Regards, Mathias
> 
> [0] http://filezilla-project.org/
> 

The development model for FileZilla sucks compared to most other GUI FTP
programs.

It does a lot of screwy things. I can't properly transfer stuff to or
from many "standard" ftp servers... including a couple of "FileZilla FTP
Daemons".

Though Filezilla is a very nice Idea, it is aimed at Microsoft Visual
Studio development, though it does compile on Linux, it is a very filthy
code base.

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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Michael Pobega]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:36:40PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related topics 
> seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a lot of web 
> development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my previous FTP client 
> doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see anything like "Kftp" in my KDE 
> menu systems. Any suggestions for a good highly configurable FTP client?
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy

On Windows I used Filezilla, and that was pretty good. It seems to
exist in the Debian (Lenny) archives, so you can apt-get it.

Lately I've been using the lftp package for managing FTP, and I have
to say it's the quickest thing I've ever done. Uploading and
downloading is a snap once you get used to it's intuitive design and
easy to understand commands, it just takes a bit of practice.


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Touchpad Configuration

[Michael Pobega]

After a long fight with an offline install of Debian, I decided to
give up and do a netinstall.

The new installation is working PERFECTLY, with just one hitch; My
touchpad doesn't work right. The touchpad doesn't seem to be
configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and therefore I can't use any
programs like gsynaptics to control it.

I NoPasted my xorg.conf[0], just a quick note, the bit about the
"Synaptics Touchpad" was manually added in by me, but it doesn't seem
to be working. Maybe I'm just missing something?

[0]http://rafb.net/p/tgMeQQ47.html


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Re: Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Mathias Brodala]

Hi Randy.

Randy Patterson, 18.04.2007 20:36:
> I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related topics 
> seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a lot of web 
> development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my previous FTP client 
> doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see anything like "Kftp" in my KDE 
> menu systems. Any suggestions for a good highly configurable FTP client?

$ apt-cache search kde ftp client
gambas-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component
kasablanca - fast and free ftp client for KDE
kftpgrabber - ftp client for KDE
gambas2-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component


Additionally you can use Konqueror directly for managing FTP transfers. THE ftp
client, FileZilla[0], is pretty much useable but not yet finished. But you still
might want to give it a try.


Regards, Mathias

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Re: windows download

[Amy Templeton]

Tim Casey wrote:
> will a cd downloaded and burned on a windows machine boot?

Provided you can actually burn an ISO image to a CD properly
using Windows software. I managed to find a
Windows-equivalent-of-a-command-line utility to do this the
first time I installed a Linux distribution (in the sad days
before I discovered Debian), and it worked fine. Just google
for "Microsoft burn ISO image' or something along those
lines.

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Re: GPL v3?

[Michael Pobega]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 07:45:33PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-04-02 20:50:25, schrieb John L Fjellstad:
> > Not if GPLv3 is incompatible with GPLv2.  Linus doesn't have much say in
> > the license of the kernel since the different codes are owned by the
> > different authors (unlike FSF software that is owned by FSF).  They
> > would either have to track down all the contributors or rewrite the code
> > for the stuff owned by people they can't track down or for people who
> > don't want to relicense their code.  And that was the intention of the
> > kernel too, which is why they removed the "..or later" text from the
> > standard license text.
> 
> ..and I think, it is nearly impossible to get several 1000 Developers
> and Code-Contributors on the same table to change the GPL version!
>

Even if not everyone wants to move over to the GPLv3, they can always
stick with GPLv2. Personally I think the GPLv3 is an improvement on
v2, but then again I'm only one person.


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Good Debian/Linux FTP Client program ???

[Randy Patterson]

Hey,

I am looking for a good FTP Client. Seaching for specific FTP related topics 
seems to produce more information than is manageable. I do a lot of web 
development and I am moving from Windoze to Debian and my previous FTP client 
doesn't have a Linux install. I didn't see anything like "Kftp" in my KDE 
menu systems. Any suggestions for a good highly configurable FTP client?

Thanks,
Randy


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Re: windows download

[Michael Pobega]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:21:04PM -0500, Tim Casey wrote:
> will a cd downloaded and burned on a windows machine boot?

http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ is your best option in this case. I've
personally never installed with it, but I had a friend who did it and
he said everything worked flawlessly. Just make sure to defragment
your Windows partition before running the installer, otherwise you may
end up with some data loss.


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Re: Idea for weekly/monthy wallpaper/themes package

[Dusty Wilson]

On 15 Apr 2007 01:52:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So my question is, would anyone be interested in something like that?


Yes.  I would love it.  But it'd need to support both dual-monitor
(1280x2048) setups as well as a single widescreen (1280x768) for me to
properly enjoy it.


Do you have any ideas for how to do it better, or what to include?
Maybe different themes, like scenery, urban, art, Linux-related,
water, sky, macro, etc.  What do you think?


I prefer simple and elegant with little or no (preferably) text
overlaid on the image.  If it seems like a programmer made the
graphics, I won't want it.  It'd need to be proper graphic
artist/photographer-quality stuff.

Note:  I'm a programmer, so that's not intended as a stab at
programmers.  You just need to know what you're good at and admit it
when you're not.

Thanks,
Dusty


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Re: Unix-ify File Names

[H.S.]

Frank Terbeck wrote:


b) it breaks on filenames with spaces (and other special characters).

While newlines and other special characters might be rather weird
for filenames, spaces are perfectly okay and normal in filenames.

Using 'for i in `ls *`'-type loops breaks this and is one of the
main reasons why people think spaces are bad in filenames.
(They are not bad, some people just do not know how to handle
them properly.)


I usually get by this problem by enclosing the variable in double quotes 
within the for loop. A basic example:


$> for f in *.jpg; do ls "$f"; done

->HS




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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

[Dusty Wilson]

On 4/16/07, Reid Priedhorsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
> few but perhaps odd:
>
> - Cheap.
> - Used OK.
> - 512MB or larger OK.
> - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.


On 4/17/07, Dusty Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In addition to what everyone else already said, don't forget about the
possibility of using a portable music player that has removable
storage (SD, etc) and you can use that memory for multiple purposes.
Plus you can upgrade your memory or swap cards whenever you feel like
it if you have more than one.  I use my SD card with a Treo 650 and
PocketTunes as well as portable document storage and transfer.


I forgot the important part of the SD card usage.  You can use the SD
card directly with your computer instead of needing to use sync
software or anything like that.  And if your computer doesn't come
with an SD card reader, you can get a great multi-format USB
SD/MMC/Sony/etc reader for USD$10 at Wal-Mart or online.

Dusty


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Re: Unix-ify File Names

[Daniel B.]

Frank Terbeck wrote:

Mike McClain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Frank Terbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 for FILE in `ls *$1` ; do

...


b) it breaks on filenames with spaces (and other special characters).

...> Using 'for i in `ls *`'-type loops breaks this and is one of the

main reasons why people think spaces are bad in filenames.
(They are not bad, ...


In what sense are they not bad?  Yes, they're certainly legal per the
filesystem and most tools that take filenames.  However, they and other
special characters do make it more difficult to handle arbitrary file
names.

For example, if someone wants to use ls's feature of sorting by date
(e.g., "ls -t *$1"), they cant combine it with the for-loop construct
above (reliably).



Hey, is there any command for taking a filename and escaping/encoding
shell-special characters to make a string that, when parsed by the
shell, specifies that filename?  I'm thinking of something that would
work like this:

   for i in `encode_for_shell *` ; ...

(mapping each argument to a shell string for the argument's value)
or

   for i in `find ... -print0 | xargs -0 encode_for_shell` ; ...

or

   cmd="some_command"
   cmd="${cmd} `encode_for_shell $file_name_with_special_chars`"
   $cmd

(I'm thinking of something like Java's java.util.regex.Pattern.quote(String)
(see
http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/regex/Pattern.html#quote(java.lang.String)
) or Ruby's RegExp::escape(...)
(see http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Regexp.html#M001216 ), but
escaping/encoding for shell parsing instead of for regular-expression
parsing.)



> some people just do not know how to handle them properly.)

You might not be, but it sounds like you're blaming users.  Sometimes
it's developers of tools (including designers of formats) that don't
have an escape mechanism to handle spaces or other special characters
(or don't provide support for encoding special characters) who are to
blame.



I am aware that there are HOWTOs and other documents out there
that propagate 'for i `ls *foobar*`' loops. I don't know why their
authors do this. If they didn't know better they shouldn't have
written a shell scripting HOWTO in the first place.


Unfortunately for those they mislead, those authors don't know enough
to know they don't know better.  (They must not be the type to dig
into things (e.g., shell syntax) to really understand them, or at
least enough to notice that they don't fully understand them yet.)



Some people use things like this instead:
[snip]
ls * | while read file ; do whatever_command "$file" ; done
[snap]

This is just a little better than the for loop. It still breaks in
some situations. 


I see how it would break with a newline character in a file name.
What other cases break?


There is _no_ reason why 'ls' should ever be used to generate file
lists for loops of any kind.


What about things that ls does that the shell's expansion of wildcards
does not do (e.g., sorting by date or size)?

(Maybe ls should have an equilavent to find's "-print0" option.)



Daniel


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quota not working (segfault)

[Marc]

Since the upgrade from sarge to etch the following appears regularly in
my logs

...
quota[3345]: segfault at 8100 rip 0804ba4d rsp
ff976c50 error 6
quota[2647]: segfault at 8100 rip 0804ba4d rsp
ffe6a140 error 6
quota[24912]: segfault at 8100 rip 0804ba4d rsp
ff843b20 error 6
quota[17277]: segfault at 8100 rip 0804ba4d rsp
ffd117e0 error 6
...

Since I use the quota command in several regularly running scripts this
is no surprise. So, why is it not working? Running it manually gives:

# quota -g web8 -v
quota: error while getting quota from /dev/md2 for web8 (id 10008): Success

repquota and quotatool do actually work:

# quotatool -g web8 /dev/md2 -d
10008 /dev/md2 7616444 1536 3072 0 236735 0 0 0

Does anyone have an idea?
Regards,
Marc


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