Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: Wayne Topa wrote: Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: My GF has a Debian/GNOME/CUPS machine, and wishes to associate more than one queue with it. I use Fedora/GNOME/CUPS and have no problem doing that, but so far have failed to manage it with Debian. Can anyone help me get her machine set up to have more than one queue on her printer? The connectivity is local through USB, if that makes any difference. If by queue you mean another printer instance, ie same printer used but a different dpi etc, then you just make a new printer with a different name. That's precisely it. It appears to me that the GNOME printer manager shipped with Debian is either broken or deficient in this area. I don't run Gnome or KDE here I hope they accept the Cups config. If not, someone someone that does run them, should submit a bug report. CUPS Administration - Add Printer All of the options, except the printer name, are the same as the one you already have, (IIRC). Then change the options to be what you want. Ok. Where do I locate the CUPS Administration? Do you mean use the web based CUPS location via web browser on the local machine? Yep, http://localhost:631/printers/ The Administration tab is on the top of the page. --snip-- Hope I understood you correctly. Oh, yes. Good. Wayne -- Bringing computers into the home won't change either one, but may revitalize the corner saloon. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 04:25:22PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Sid Arth wrote: I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? Use screen. It will let you detach from the session, and reattach to it later. It's perfect for this sort of thing. If he doesn't need to reattach, what about just nohup? I don't think it works with ncurses applications. They tend to freak out a bit when they no longer have a controlling terminal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
What is screen? On 9/25/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 04:25:22PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Sid Arth wrote: I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? Use screen. It will let you detach from the session, and reattach to it later. It's perfect for this sort of thing. If he doesn't need to reattach, what about just nohup? I don't think it works with ncurses applications. They tend to freak out a bit when they no longer have a controlling terminal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
David Brodbeck wrote: As long as you realize it probably won't look the same to the other person, unless they have the same Word version, the same operating system, and the same fonts. It will look similar enough. It's rare that someone sends me a complicated Word file and I'm able to print it cleanly without adjustments. Good thing that what I'm writing is not at all complex. The two most complex things are italics and indent-first-line. A little free advice: If you're planning on writing long documents, such as books, What kind of books? You description goes on to describe what sounds to be a technical manual. Someone else mentioned mathematics. Another person talked about technical writing. Am I writing a book? Yes. Am I writing a technical book? No! I am writing fiction. I have no in-line graphics, complex font changes for examples, silly little icons to denote special sections, massive indention or the like. This is strictly line-after-line prose which could be done plain text except for the fact that I am making use of italics as a conscious style choice to reinforce when a character is /'thinking'/ something versus saying something. So, as I had repeated several times, I'm sure LaTeX is wonderful for what it is designed for. However it is not something I am interested in learning for the purposes I would put it to at this time. The constant hammering with examples which are far beyond the requirements of the style I writing I am engaging in is getting a tad tiresome. I want WYSIWYG because it helps me think about what is happening. I want simple and easy-to-convert to a common format because I don't know if and by whom this project would be picked up. I don't want a complex programming language because I am writing fiction, not programming an application! While they are both creative they are two different modes of thinking! While I appreciate that other people find it wonderful for their tasks I ask that those people also appreciate that not everyone finds the tools they use as equally suited to their tasks, especially creative tasks. Creative tasks are personal. Processes and tools which work for one person do not work for someone else. And that is OK! -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 18:43 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 15:04 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: That's precisely it. It appears to me that the GNOME printer manager shipped with Debian is either broken or deficient in this area. Why are you saying the version shipped with Debian is broken? Have you tried it on other distros and it's different? Yes. [snip] This is gnome, love it or leave it! Works on my distro. I can't get it to work with Debian. Cool! What distro is that? What version of gnome does it run? Maybe it's running a newer version that didn't hit debian yet. -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Debian may lose a user
Mike writes: Once again, mail to you has bounced. ?? If you read here regularly, then you would have seen the reports, I most likely did. So what? How am I to know which of the innumerable reports posted here you refer to? My only point was this: She's leaving Debian because she perceives that it doesn't always just work, and when it doesn't, often there isn't a fix easily available. _Nothing_ always just works. Some problems are insoluble. This is not news. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spamassassin and Exim4
On Monday 24 September 2007 19:03:47 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 06:40:58PM -0400, Daniel D Jones wrote: On Monday 24 September 2007 15:50:58 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: I've reconfigured the file with your recommendations and restarted exim. I'm still not getting any headers in any email, including obvious spam. Not sure what's going on. Do you know of any way to verify that ACLs are actually running? I really don't know other than to see them show up in the logs etc. Can you provide the pertinent part of exim4.conf? the entire ACL section would be good. This last line was the clue that led me to getting everything straightened out. Feeling a little sheepish here, but the issue was that I was modifying the split config files, but still had exim configured to use the monolithic template. Doh! Thanks for your assistance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mark Phillips wrote: Mike, you have to realize that support is provided by volunteers who have lives (families, children, jobs, little league, etc.) outside of supporting the software. There is no guarentee of any support when you install Debian. But it is there. You have to learn how to ask, and sometimes you have to ask several times before you get a response. Of course I recognize this. I told you, I'm not complaining. I have no oars in the water about this. I think what they're saying is, we're asking. You don't just send off a bug report and expect some help-desk monkey to jump. Often, you need to do some research and ask multiple questions in multiple venues. People aren't on the net all the time. Things go by without getting seen by the right pair of eyes. Linus says this is the same way it works in kernel hacking. You may have to bang on the door a number of times before you get his attention. fwiw, I've found a really good place to ask difficult questions is in debian-mentors. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 19:23 -0500, Sid Arth escribió: What is screen? apt-cache show screen It let's you do a lot of fancy stuff in the terminal (have multiple windows, detach the session and reattach it, copy/paste with the keyboard and a lot of other stuff). It's exactly what you need. BTW, please don't make top-posting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting [...] -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 07:23:55PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote: What is screen? http://packages.debian.org/sid/screen http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah, 458, Jamuna Hostel, Indian Institute of Technology Madras, Chennai - 600 036 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install to Inspiron 530 with SATA DVD drive
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Simon wrote: Hi There, We are trying to install debian etch onto our Inspiron 530 that has a SATA DVD drive, but the installer cannot detect the CD drive once it is booted. How do i move forward here? Thanks Simon Something that you might want to try is to set your sata controller to compatability mode in your bios. -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
s. keeling wrote:
[snip]
fwiw, I've found a really good place to ask difficult questions is in
debian-mentors.
Thanks for the pointer. If I can convince her not to wipe
Debian from the disc, I think I'll subscribe there as well.
I don't have much hopes on that point, however.
Mike
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Re: Debian may lose a user
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote: I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event. We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess some of us would appreciate your posting links to the previous I was deliberately not posting the problems, since that might look like a complaint. I'm not trying to get action. Argh! We're Debian. We're trying to get action! fsck it! groups.google.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] site:lists.debian.org Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat. How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports found. Huh? What address did you submit them from? Btw, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK HERE. fyi. I provide this information only as an indicator of where there might be an opportunity to win more Windows users and lose fewer. I'd rather Windows just shrivelled up and died, but I don't really care. If she wants to use their junk, that's her problem. We're allowed to be fools nowadays. Debian, on the other hand, I do care about and want to help fixing anything I can. *Lots* of others in this thread are saying the same thing. Problem? What problem? I can't see it! Where is it? Nobody can fix what they can't even see. You're not helping. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
Hello, you can launch jobs with at as well. hth, Jerome Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 19:23 -0500, Sid Arth escribió: What is screen? apt-cache show screen It let's you do a lot of fancy stuff in the terminal (have multiple windows, detach the session and reattach it, copy/paste with the keyboard and a lot of other stuff). It's exactly what you need. BTW, please don't make top-posting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting [...] -- Jerome BENOIT jgmbenoit_at_mailsnare_dot_net
Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:43:47PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
Why are you saying the version shipped with Debian is broken? Have you
tried it on other distros and it's different?
Yes.
[snip]
This is gnome, love it or leave it!
Works on my distro. I can't get it to work with Debian.
what does it do Mike? details man!
It's difficult to remember now, but what I recall was that
I tried starting the GUI, and selected Add new printer
or sth like that. When I tried to create the new instance,
I was not allowed to select the one which was already
there. It wanted me to enter a whole new connection,
name, type, etc. Trying to create a new printer with
a new name but the same connection was also refused.
It appeared not to understand what I was trying to do.
It seemed to think that it was some sort of error to try
to associate multiple queues with one physical printer
connection.
On another distro, this is not a restriction.
Mike
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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 18:43 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió:
Works on my distro. I can't get it to work with Debian.
Cool! What distro is that? What version of gnome does it run?
Maybe it's running a newer version that didn't hit debian yet.
I'm normally not into going on a distro support list, and
then telling them that some other distro is better. Kinda
rude, y'know? Each distro has its advantages and disadvantages.
No distro is better'n another in all ways for all people.
But, since you ask, specifically, I'm using GDM 2.6.0.0
which is considered rather old for the distro I'm using.
I haven't checked the version for Debian.
Mike
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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
Wayne Topa wrote:
Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
[that he couldn's use the GUI to put multiple queues on one printer]
I don't run Gnome or KDE here I hope they accept the Cups config.
If not, someone someone that does run them, should submit a bug
report.
CUPS Administration - Add Printer
All of the options, except the printer name, are the same as the one
you already have, (IIRC). Then change the options to be what you want.
Ok. Where do I locate the CUPS Administration? Do you mean use
the web based CUPS location via web browser on the local machine?
Yep, http://localhost:631/printers/
I've printed off the CUPS docu from their home page, and
I'll give the web or CLI another try tomorrow night. (If
she'll let me, that is :-)
Thanks!
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Re: Tool for document management
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:05:53 -0700, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote: I use XEMacs daily to produce LaTeX documents. I have frequent need to search my archives of material I have written in the past, and I use grep for this purpose. It is difficult for me to imagine an advantage offered by OpenOffice which would compensate for the inability to make use of grep in searching my archives. I think it depends on what you're doing. TeX is awesome for writing books and scientific papers. If you're writing a letter to Grandma, though, OpenOffice is better suited. Using TeX for that is a bit like driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick up a bottle of milk. I dunno. I have a template for letters all created, with my address, salutations, etc. It prints out an envelope for me as well, All I have to do is type in the content, and the destination. Far, far faster than using openoffice, if you ask me. manoj -- When anyone says `theoretically,' they really mean `not really.' David Parnas Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin Marcher wrote: Why is it that simple statments, preceded by disclaimers indicating that they are not complaints, get treated as complaints? Hello, I'm interested in the job offer you posted on Sarcasm is unbecoming, especially since I am a disinterested third party. I thought it was pretty funny. I like his rate too. I'm gonna have to talk to my recruiter. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install to Inspiron 530 with SATA DVD drive
Quoting Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi There, We are trying to install debian etch onto our Inspiron 530 that has a SATA DVD drive, but the installer cannot detect the CD drive once it is booted. How do i move forward here? Sounds like etch doesn't have the drivers for your sata controller. er... or should I say the kernel doesn't have the drivers. The default kernel for etch is 2.6.18, try using a lenny(testing) or sid(unstable) installer with a more recent kernel. 2.6.22 or higher kernel will probably find your sata controller. http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Hasler wrote: I don't see that you provided any useful information. Then it wasn't directed at you. There are those here who have expressed a desire for Linux to be a viable alternative to Windows for more users. It was directed at those people. After walking in from a day of my kids' soccer matches I noticed this thread and feel I really must post a comment. I may be very late to this, and if so I apologize, but it just seems to me that there is likely a miscommunication going on here. I can't help but think that most people on this list would actually very much welcome the criticism which seems to be on offer regarding this situation, but surely everybody would also like to know what they did wrong, so to speak. I for one get at least a hundred or two messages on this list per day, probably more, and certainly wouldn't know from the above references which posts or questions were those being talked about here. Really, with everything being discussed here how could everybody notice and remember every thread? I also think everyone here has a desire for Linux to be a viable alternative to Windows (I happen to believe it already is one since I in fact use it instead of that OS) and so would certainly assume your comments were directed at them. The people on this list are here quite obviously because they believe in what is done here, and that seems to most often be offer help to others. But, honestly, regardless of how well-intentioned the posts, just how can anyone improve with such esoteric comments? I believe that is what the poster above was saying, and most likely you understood him as being defensive or confrontational. I really don't think the people here are trying to be in any way argumentative, but rather are asking for more info, even if you aren't going to be here to hear the answers. It is just a natural desire to see what mistakes were made, specifically, so that they are not made again. I personally think it is a wonderful sentiment to fill people in on a failure, but if nobody can know how they failed, then really what good is the information? At least that is how I would percieve this situation. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 18:44, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:29:45AM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: Hey guys, I recently installed etch on this old laptop and have no problems with it whatsoever. I had no hardware issues or anything. It seemed like all the hardware was automatically detected. Now the question is, how do I know for sure? I know I could use lspci or something like that. But what do you guys suggest? I mean is there a System Profiler / Device Manager under linux? Thanks! In Gnome, look at: 'System' menu-preferences-Hardware info Really? I don't see it. There is a similar one in Kde. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+cIeS9HxQb37XmcRAmjtAJ9tDEv+rOF6n4mEkBNCNCyJv509wACffyKa h5VdLaXz2RCpsTi72ouTc0c= =bBq+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 19:11, David Brodbeck wrote: [snip] changes. About the time we hit the 650 page mark, Word started corrupting the file and it became impossible to go through more than a few edit/save cycles before the file became unreadable and we had to restore from backup. A single 650 page .doc file??? I'm more than impressed. In a proper typesetting program, changing the format of a heading means changing the template -- once -- and then regenerating the document. It does the drudgery of maintaining consistency for you. OOo has similar DTP-like template functionality. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+cOXS9HxQb37XmcRAnMNAKDJeO9WjPoj6gHEb0ZRDVHPuvObBwCfUgbH pq1wzMhLs+2vBnqEDtIzOcY= =dKgU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
Roger B.A. Klorese [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kent West wrote: Like he said, he's not complaining, or asking for help, or asking for information; he's just saying that we have room for improvement. Well, yes, but it remains to be seen whether everyone considers this room for improvement. A lot of projects and products spend a lot of time working on non-goals; the question at hand is whether adoption by the level of user in question is or is not a goal. Well, he did clarify that she's not a total computer noob. I think she'd be most happy on an iMac. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tool for document management
David Brodbeck writes: TeX is awesome for writing books and scientific papers. If you're writing a letter to Grandma, though, OpenOffice is better suited. Now _that_ sounds like driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick up a bottle of milk. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Repost of some earlier described challenges
These have (nearly) all been posted before, but some have requested
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YET AGAIN, then just skip this message, please.
My GF installed a USB mouse, and her keyboard went away.
They work together with THE OTHER OS. IIRC (it's been
a while) using a debug startup allows us to get up to
a root login, and look around, but using ^D from there
makes the keyboard go away. I can't tell if this is
an X Window problem, or below that, or what. The current
work around is to use an old PS/2 style mouse. The symptoms
are just as if the keyboard were unplugged. There is no
response whatsoever.
My GF also can't mount a memory stick using a Dazzle
USB I/F through a hub. A regular disc (Western Digital)
mounts and runs fine on the same hub. When the Dazzle
is plugged directly into the USB port on the machine,
it can be mounted. This is extremely inconvenient, as
all the USB ports on this machine are in the back,
and it is inside an armoir. The workaround is to pull
the machine out of the armoir, and leave it hanging
out, and plug the Dazzle into the USB. This is something
I have to do, as she is mobility impaired (paraplegic).
Since I live several miles away, this is quite inconvenient.
Another work around is to use the same hub and Dazzle
I/F with Windows on a laptop, then e-mail herself using a dial-
up connection, to an account she can read with Debian. This
is slow, clumsy, and inconvenient as well.
She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer,
but there is already another thread about that. There is
currently no work around, but there is hope that using the
CUPS I/F directly may work.
So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality.
I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but
not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the
exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner.
So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending
on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different
print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by
editing the one queue associated with it. It is also supposed
to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that
only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info
from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works
with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at
present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer
description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple
printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other
functions are currently usable.
Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
of Windows XP.
She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted
by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to
at present. (Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her
very much. It is true that she has some apps on there which
won't run under Debian.)
I dunno how much progress will be made, even if I can make
everything work by Saturday evening. She seems kinda to have
made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her
behavior. :-)
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Re: Debian may lose a user
cothrige wrote:
After walking in from a day of my kids' soccer matches I noticed this
thread and feel I really must post a comment. I may be very late to
It seems like just one of those things, doesn't it :-)
[snip]
which posts or questions were those being talked about here. Really,
with everything being discussed here how could everybody notice and
remember every thread?
Of course not.
I also think everyone here has a desire for Linux to be a viable
alternative to Windows (I happen to believe it already is one since I in
fact use it instead of that OS) and so would certainly assume your
Umm, some comments I've received cause me to believe that not
everyone here is like that.
In any case, my desire was not to ask for help, as that's
already been done before. My intent was to inform of what
kinds of considerations went into the decision of one Debian
user to switch to Windows XP. I wasn't making a last moment
plea for help to try to keep her on Debian, nor trying to
criticize Debian devel group nor any of the users nor other
members of this forum. I'm not sure but what her reaction would
be the same for any Linux distro. Ecah has its strong points
and weak points. I've used several, and none is clearly
better than all the others for everyone.
[snip]
I believe that is what the poster above was saying, and most likely you
understood him as being defensive or confrontational. I really don't
think the people here are trying to be in any way argumentative, but
rather are asking for more info, even if you aren't going to be here to
hear the answers. It is just a natural desire to see what mistakes were
See my other message which lists the challenges for Debian with
her hardware setup. They have been mentioned before (except for
the RAM upgrade, which occurred just a few weeks ago), but I
repost them just for those who have interest.
Whether having fixes by Saturday will cause her to retain
Debian is a debatable point. I suspect that Windows XP is
going on this machine, and that's the end of the matter.
Even if Debian survives as a boot option, and the machine
becomes dual boot, I suspect that Debian will not get booted
very often, if at all.
I intend to make a backup before doing anything drastic,
at least. I may just make a tar of the entire disc using
Knoppix or sth like that as well.
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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 05:27:02PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
Good thing that what I'm writing is not at all complex. The two most
complex things are italics and indent-first-line.
[...]
Am I writing a book? Yes.
Am I writing a technical book? No!
I am writing fiction. I have no in-line graphics, complex font changes
for examples, silly little icons to denote special sections, massive
indention or the like. This is strictly line-after-line prose which
could be done plain text except for the fact that I am making use of
italics as a conscious style choice to reinforce when a character is
/'thinking'/ something versus saying something.
I know you've settled on OOo, but it's worth pointing out that TeX is
a simple language if you're writing a simple document. In particular
you are already writing valid plain TeX in your email. Copy the above
(without the 's) into file.txt; change /'thinking'/ to {\it thinking}
and saying to ``saying''; type pdftex file.txt and \end.
file.pdf looks like http://sns.phys.utk.edu/~mahurin/du/09-25.pdf,
which I think is what you're after.
Good luck with your writing.
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Re: Debian may lose a user
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
Well, yes, but it remains to be seen whether everyone considers this
room for improvement. A lot of projects and products spend a lot of
time working on non-goals; the question at hand is whether adoption by
the level of user in question is or is not a goal.
I'm sure Debian doesn't depend on any one user. I'm also
sure that she's not the only one like her.
Anyway, I think this thread has probably already gone on
too long.
Mike
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 19:27, Steve Lamb wrote: [snip] Am I writing a book? Yes. Am I writing a technical book? No! I am writing fiction. I have no in-line graphics, complex font changes for examples, silly little icons to denote special sections, massive indention or the like. This is strictly line-after-line prose which could be done plain text except for the fact that I am making use of italics as a conscious style choice to reinforce when a character is /'thinking'/ something versus saying something. So, as I had repeated several times, I'm sure LaTeX is wonderful for what it is designed for. However it is not something I am interested in learning for the purposes I would put it to at this time. The constant hammering with examples which are far beyond the requirements of the style I writing I am engaging in is getting a tad tiresome. I want WYSIWYG because it helps me think about what is happening. I want simple and easy-to-convert to a common format because I don't know if and by whom this project would be picked up. I don't want a complex Lyx, texlive-latex-recommended (for the memoir and rcs plugins) and tex4ht (for exporting to Word or odt format) are what you want, then. Create a simple template (/memoir/, from texlive-latex-recommended) should point you in the right direction), and then start typing im the GUI window. Since it's plain multi-line text, mercurial won't have any problem diffing the file and saving the changes. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+cqOS9HxQb37XmcRAqvPAJ9gOhoRlzlmfUSUao8UEgBSaKsJJgCghdsq mPYcA75mYQxnlzP+AyrHfz8= =Y8k9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
On 9/25/07, Sid Arth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? I like to use ctorrent, http://www.go2linux.org/Command-line-Bit-Torrent-client-for-Linux-written-in-c- and a way to keep it running (works with all other software) is to append a (no qoutes) at the end of the command, so it should be this way. $command -options hope that helps. Guillermo Garron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:55:26AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion. I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian, though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take this as a complaint from me, as it isn't. I'm simply informing the Debian forum of a situation. She's had four problems with using Debian on her machine, and support response from this forum has been somewhat less than she had hoped for. There are different levels of support for what ever you use. Microsoft and its partners get the specs they need and produce reasonable support for hardware and since they are not open source, they can not be improved by others. So driver support can vary greatly. Software is in a similar situation as is the Operating system. And commercial support cost real money. IIRC MS had something like 150 USD for one support call and there is no gauruntee of the outcome. But if the issue is hardware support, then driver support is going to be, on average, useable out-of-the-box. And similarly if you have software needs that align with already existing products, then that too will work out-of-the-box. Now distros are of varying quality and have varying support. Debian is known to have mostly volunteer support with commercial support mostly for server use which would probably have costs on par with windows server support. If you used Ubuntu, you'd have out-of-the-box a commercial support option targeted for home/soho users which IIRC costs 150 USD/ year, which seems quite reasonable. Now with Free software, at present, there are many problems that simply have no solution regardless of which one you choose and so the only 'support' option is to pay a large sum of money or wait until that magic day. I recently heard that 'evince' now support the ability to fill-in pdf forms. I have wanted this for some years and only using Adobe´s regular product to do this with the help of WINE, now, as of this month, this feture is part of a free software tool. One of the issue with MS and Apple is they have limited support for hardware and software. So if you have something less that 4 years old. you should be ok. But the farther out you go, there is an increasing change that floss support will be on-par or better. So if your SO buys/has recent HW and has software needs in-line with current products, then XP may be the way to go. The benefits of FLOSS are know to you and you may have explained them to your SO but if she can't get her work done, that is the ultimate arbitrator. snip I used the official reporting tool on one of the problems, and we were not even accorded the courtesy of a response indicating that the report had been received and was going to be acted upon. The tool did confirm that a report had been made, but that was all. I've seen no indication from Debian that any progress has been made. One of the issue discussed on -devel was something similar. Some feel that every bug report should have a human responding saying 'thanks for your bug report´, other wanted an automated response. It was noted that not all bug reports are equal, so it was mentioned that if a DD wanted better info, they should send out a message asking for it and make 'contact' with the bug reporter because users dont feel appreciated when they are not contacted and thanked and made to feel an equal part of Debian. So a thanked user is more apt to give more bug reports and more likely to give better reports if asked by a nice dd. But since its not 'policy', its not something that is required. There is the obvious situation where DD have real lives and can not respond to every user, But some said that they should respond within say 1 or 2 week if possible, if not able to sooner. Someone suggest that there to a team of people whose job is to monitor new bugs and acknowledge users contributions and triage bugs with the users help. So in the area of user-bts-DD interaction, there is room more improvement. Perhaphs the paid support of Canonical would fill this gap, thus the Ubuntu recommendation. One final note, at least she is aware of the existance of FLOSS and that it was able to fulfill most of her needs and when those issues that she had are resolved, she might be game to take the plunge. It also means that she is one more person who can be witness to the fact that FLOSS is not what the general population thinks it is, useless and not ready for general use. cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___|
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 22:57 -0400, Guillermo Garron escribió: On 9/25/07, Sid Arth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? I like to use ctorrent, http://www.go2linux.org/Command-line-Bit-Torrent-client-for-Linux-written-in-c- and a way to keep it running (works with all other software) is to append a (no qoutes) at the end of the command, so it should be this way. $command -options I don't think that would work. That way the command 'command' will run as son of your shell session. When you close your session it will probably die (maybe not, depends on how the software works). That's why you need nohup or screen. -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: Debian may lose a user
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:17:05PM -0500, cothrige wrote: Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip I believe that is what the poster above was saying, and most likely you understood him as being defensive or confrontational. I really don't think the people here are trying to be in any way argumentative, but rather are asking for more info, even if you aren't going to be here to hear the answers. It is just a natural desire to see what mistakes were made, specifically, so that they are not made again. I personally think it is a wonderful sentiment to fill people in on a failure, but if nobody can know how they failed, then really what good is the information? At least that is how I would percieve this situation. I dont'think anyone here did anything wrong and I dont think he was implying that. There are many thing that a list like this can do like respond to users request for help and provide insights, answers or alternatives. But maybe this problems the person had have no current answer at all or the one person who knew the answer missed the post. One thing that many people want is an answer in a limited amount of time, this list is not suited to a demanding user who perhaps will lose a client or money as a result, that is the domain of paid support. If the issue can be worked around or tolerated for a few months, then this list is fine. Like many DD, we too must balance our lives and trying to fix ever users issue would drive folks to drink, so there has to be an expectation that we list readers will miss stuff. This is no ones fault. Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install to Inspiron 530 with SATA DVD drive
On 9/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi There, We are trying to install debian etch onto our Inspiron 530 that has a SATA DVD drive, but the installer cannot detect the CD drive once it is booted. How do i move forward here? Sounds like etch doesn't have the drivers for your sata controller. er... or should I say the kernel doesn't have the drivers. The default kernel for etch is 2.6.18, try using a lenny(testing) or sid(unstable) installer with a more recent kernel. 2.6.22 or higher kernel will probably find your sata controller. Thanks for that... have downloaded the lastest snapshot and it booted no issues. Now it wont find the network card. sigh... its a intel e1000 i think. Is it easier to just put a new network card in it? Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
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On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
These have (nearly) all been posted before, but some have requested
that they be reposted. If you don't like reading stuff
YET AGAIN, then just skip this message, please.
My GF installed a USB mouse, and her keyboard went away.
They work together with THE OTHER OS. IIRC (it's been
a while) using a debug startup allows us to get up to
a root login, and look around, but using ^D from there
makes the keyboard go away. I can't tell if this is
an X Window problem, or below that, or what. The current
work around is to use an old PS/2 style mouse. The symptoms
are just as if the keyboard were unplugged. There is no
response whatsoever.
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
My GF also can't mount a memory stick using a Dazzle
USB I/F through a hub. A regular disc (Western Digital)
mounts and runs fine on the same hub. When the Dazzle
is plugged directly into the USB port on the machine,
it can be mounted. This is extremely inconvenient, as
I remember that thread. There are definitely issues with hubs and
passive devices like memory sticks.
[snip]
So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality.
I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but
not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the
exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner.
So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending
on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different
print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by
editing the one queue associated with it.
M/F printers have *always* been problematic under Linux.
It is also supposed
to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that
only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info
from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works
with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at
present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer
description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple
printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other
functions are currently usable.
I doubt you'll ever find a solution until HP creates OSS drivers for
hylafax and SANE.
Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
of Windows XP.
That's easy to solve. Will require a kernel rebuild, though.
However, Debian kernels have had CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y for quite some
time now. More than a year.
She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted
by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to
at present.
libntfs-3g12. Will need a FUSE-enabled kernel.
(Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her
very much.
Tsk tsk tsk.
It is true that she has some apps on there which
won't run under Debian.)
Well duh.
I dunno how much progress will be made, even if I can make
everything work by Saturday evening.
Certain things will work wonderfully for her. She'll discover,
though, that the grass isn't greener, just a different variety.
She seems kinda to have
made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her
behavior. :-)
You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:26:06 +0800 Jerome BENOIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, you can launch jobs with at as well. I don't think ncurses apps will necessarily run successfully via at; mc doesn't, and I think I recall that rtorrent itself didn't (it isn't currently installed). hth, Jerome Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:10:17 -0500
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
I use a Dell USB keyboard, scavenged from an old desktop. It just
works:
usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-1:1.0: 3 ports detected
usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
usb 1-1.1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
input: NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard as /class/input/input6
input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard] on
usb-:00:1d.0-1.1
input: NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard as /class/input/input7
input: USB HID v1.00 Device [NMB Dell USB 7HK Keyboard] on
usb-:00:1d.0-1.1
usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
I haven't had to do any sort of configuration or tweaking whatsoever.
I'm willing to accept that I may just be lucky.
Ron Johnson, Jr.
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Re: Search for string in files
Johannes Tax wrote: I'm trying to figure out how to find a certain string inside a bunch of files. If I, for examples, look for a certain function in a large source tree, I could do cat `find . -name '*.c'` | grep 'a_certain_function' but this seems quite awkward, furthermore it doesn't help that much because I don't know in which file the string was found. Maybe there's a tool that makes it possible to find a string in a bunch of files and also to list in which file the string was found? Or any modification to the command given above? I realize this is over a month old, but I've been away. All of the responses I saw to your question failed to mention ctags. ctags doesn't address the general question of finding a string inside multiple files, but it very well answers the specific question of finding a function definition in a tree of C source files. To get directly to the function definition of a_certain_function, the following will work: % ctags -R % vi -t a_certain_function If you just want to cat the file, try: % cat $(grep a_certain_function tags | cut -f 2) (After you've run ctags to build the tags file) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the
mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...
PS/2 style keyboard
PS/2 style mouse
Keyboard works
PS/2 style keyboard
USB style mouse
Keyboard stops working
Same setup works with you-know-what.
[snip no fix yets]
Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
of Windows XP.
That's easy to solve. Will require a kernel rebuild, though.
However, Debian kernels have had CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y for quite some
time now. More than a year.
Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get
all the memory available?
She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted
by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to
at present.
libntfs-3g12. Will need a FUSE-enabled kernel.
Again, how to obtain and install? I believe it is already
mountable and readable.
[snip]
Certain things will work wonderfully for her. She'll discover,
though, that the grass isn't greener, just a different variety.
She's quite familiar with Windows XP. She uses it at work.
She seems kinda to have
made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her
behavior. :-)
You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot
:-)
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Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500 Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snipped the on-topic stuff] Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer for a day. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/07/msg01537.html Mike Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
Rob Mahurin wrote:
I know you've settled on OOo, but it's worth pointing out that TeX is
a simple language if you're writing a simple document. In particular
you are already writing valid plain TeX in your email. Copy the above
(without the 's) into file.txt; change /'thinking'/ to {\it thinking}
and saying to ``saying''; type pdftex file.txt and \end.
file.pdf looks like http://sns.phys.utk.edu/~mahurin/du/09-25.pdf,
which I think is what you're after.
Uh, no. It's more than that. You're forgetting loading in the templates
and the entire structure. You're also ignoring that CNTL-I is a tad shorter
than {\it}, esp. since \ is way out of the way of my normal typing habits.
Then there's the problem of most of the common symbols one just might want to
use in a work of fiction are reserved in LaTeX so they need to be escaped with
\. Well, except \ itself which requires a special macro. Oh, and it
completely ignores the two facts that I want to work on this document
visually, not conceptually, AND that I *NEED* to be able to revert it to the
proprietary format used by Word which, in a quick Google check, seems to
require at minimum of a shareware product!
After all this talk I decided to cure my ignorance of LaTeX and actually
go to the main site and read the first two chapters. The two chapters, I
might add, that the document itself states is all that is needed to write a
basic paper. I am, quite frankly, appalled that anyone would consider LaTeX
in any way an appropriate suggestion to someone who has stated, repeatedly,
the above requirements.
Furthermore I fail to see this supposed don't think about the formatting
simplicity when I can't even write a simple financial value without resorting
to escapes! I *HAVE* to think about the formatting lest I trip up on one of
the language's reserved clauses! I hate to break it you but I do not want to
be thinking about matching braces and proper escapes when I am trying to
figure out the right words to describe one of my antagonists reactions to a
bit of bad news delivered by a side-flipping protagonist. What I care about
at that point is how to I describe his reaction without TELLING my audience
what that reaction is.
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Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:21:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 18:44, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:29:45AM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: Hey guys, I recently installed etch on this old laptop and have no problems with it whatsoever. I had no hardware issues or anything. It seemed like all the hardware was automatically detected. Now the question is, how do I know for sure? I know I could use lspci or something like that. But what do you guys suggest? I mean is there a System Profiler / Device Manager under linux? Thanks! In Gnome, look at: 'System' menu-preferences-Hardware info Really? I don't see it. mea cupla. I'm using Gutsy, I assumed gnome on Debian was the same. Although I recall gnome on Debian having it but maybe with a different menu setup. -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wireless keyboard encryption
[catching up on a d-u backlog] On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:23:07 -0600 Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think you'll find that even good wireless keyboards won't easily penetrate more than a single wall of your home, and won't extend very far past an exterior wall in most setups, if at all. I can't even put the receiver under the 1 1/2 thick wooden desk on top of the computer without some glitches -- these devices use VERY low RF output... at least the ones I own. Doesn't penetration vary *inversely* with the frequency? Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
Steve Lamb wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: The output is PostScript so I kept a copy of GhostView (gv) running (watching the file) and whenever I wanted to see how things looked, just ran lout on my file to the same output file name. Yeahhh, no thanks. I don't like coding HTML with the produce and peek method of screwing it up. Talk to your publisher. This presumes I have a publisher. I never said I did. I pointed out that it appears that submissions are desired in two formats. Implication being that when I am done with my work I'll be submitting it to different places in the hopes of getting it picked up. Since I am unaware of what company, if any, I will end up with I cannot make any presumptions about any format they will accept outside of the lowest common denominator. Word, plain text or printed manuscript. If you write in latex you can always convert to RTF via latex2rtf, which in my experience works excellently. If needed, it is no big deal to convert this to word format. It is definitely worth the effort to learn latex. cheers, peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
* Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070926 00:35]: If you write in latex you can always convert to RTF via latex2rtf, which in my experience works excellently. If needed, it is no big deal to convert this to word format. It is definitely worth the effort to learn latex. This afternoon, out of curiosity, I installed latex2rtf and ran it on a typical document of the variety which I routinely produce. The document has a header, a footer, page numbers, two columns, and footnotes. The resulting RTF document was crude to the point of being laughable, and was unusable. I then spent an hour or so with Google, searching for alternative approaches. The most promising seems to be first to convert from LaTeX to HTML, and then to convert from HTML to M$ Word .doc format. In previous experimentation, I determined that, for the type of documents I create, HeVeA is by far the best solution for converting from LaTeX to HTML. The header detail cannot be reproduced in HTML, and the output is in a single column, but these losses are insignificant for my application. HeVeA is marvelous in its handling of footnotes and the table of contents. And HeVeA has been carefully designed for compatibility with LaTeX, so there is no need to maintain parallel versions (LaTeX and HTML) of my source documents. So now the problem becomes how to convert the HTML produced by HeVeA into RTF or another format which M$ Word can read -- preferably within the Debian environment, and preferably with open-source software. In another hour searching with Google, I came across only one potential solution. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tool for document management
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Manoj Srivastava shared this with us all: --} On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:05:53 -0700, David Brodbeck --} [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: --} --} On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote: --} I use XEMacs daily to produce LaTeX documents. I have frequent need --} to search my archives of material I have written in the past, and I --} use grep for this purpose. It is difficult for me to imagine an --} advantage offered by OpenOffice which would compensate for the --} inability to make use of grep in searching my archives. --} --} I think it depends on what you're doing. TeX is awesome for writing --} books and scientific papers. If you're writing a letter to Grandma, --} though, OpenOffice is better suited. Using TeX for that is a bit like --} driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick up a bottle of milk. --} --} I dunno. I have a template for letters all created, with my --} address, salutations, etc. It prints out an envelope for me as well, --} All I have to do is type in the content, and the destination. --} --} Far, far faster than using openoffice, if you ask me. --} --} manoj I also find using lyx is great for that. Using templates very fast, very clean and all the virtues of great printing and exporting into all kind of file formats for emailing. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ The cost of a thing is the amount of what I will call life which is required to be exchanged for it, immediately or in the long run. .Henry David Thoreau Debian - Just the best way to do magic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in
* Sid Arth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007-09-25 I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? Nohup, Screen, and VNC (in increasing order of complexity). I have a small introduction to screen at http://research.iiit.ac.in/~masatran/screen/. -- Masatran, R. Deepak http://research.iiit.ac.in/~masatran/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repost of some earlier described challenges
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 21:33 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: [snip of something I can't help with] She can't associate multiple queues with a single printer, but there is already another thread about that. There is currently no work around, but there is hope that using the CUPS I/F directly may work. Let us know when you try this out. I have several instances of each printer created in cups each one with different configuration (grayscale, color, color high quality) and it works great. Using gnome. So far, she's unable to get her printer to full functionality. I kludged up a printer description which sorta works, but not fully. It's an HP, but I don't at present recall the exact model number. It is a combined Printer/FAX/Scanner. So far, it just prints either in greyscale or color, depending on how we've edited queue at the moment. We can't select different print quality, color/greyscale, or any other options except by editing the one queue associated with it. It is also supposed to be able to read and print camera memory sticks, but that only works in stand-alone mode, with no way to get the info from the printer to the computer. Supposedly, this works with THE OTHER OS, though that is unverified. Anyway, at present it's running with my kludgy edit of another printer description file, not one from Debian, and just as a simple printer, it can't even do a realign. None of the other functions are currently usable. Does she have the hplip package installed? It includes an app called hp-toolbox which let's you do all the tasks you would do with the hp-director in WS (i.e. the cartridge cleaning/realignment, see how loaded the cartridges are, etc) Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately, Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy of Windows XP. apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem She's sorta impulsive, sometimes. Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted by Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to at present. (Not quite true, but I try not to argue with her very much. It is true that she has some apps on there which won't run under Debian.) ntfs-3g if it is ntfs. I dunno how much progress will be made, even if I can make everything work by Saturday evening. She seems kinda to have made up her mind. I have, um, limited influence over her behavior. :-) Well, the windows' been bought already... -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
