Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays and caddies
Nate Duehr wrote: >> Bob wrote: >>> Sorry for the OT post but I know a few round here are well informed >>> on the storage industry. >>> >>> I'm just about to migrate a bunch of PCs to SATA from IDE as the IDE >>> drive caddies are failing [0] and I already have my server and a few >>> PCs using SATA, what I'm looking for is a drivebay / backplane >>> manufacturer that has 5, 4, 3 and 1 slot internal bays available >>> that use the *same* tray / housing / caddie. >>> >>> The tray / housing / caddie doesn't have to be rugged [1] or cover >>> the whole drive, it would just be *really* convenient to be able to >>> move drives around at will. >>> >>> My search (below) hasn't helped much, has anyone round here got any >>> suggestions? >>> sata "removable (disk | drive | harddrive) (caddy | bay | drawer | >>> tray)" single multi >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> [0] I think all ATA removable bays take a bunch of liberties with >>> the standard anyway and these were cheap and are old >>> [1] which I suppose by definition means it's not a caddie >> crickets, cicadas and frogs >> Alternatively if you can think of a better forum for this post a link >> would also be appreciated. > > The folks on the Debian-ISP list probably deal with this type of > hardware quite a bit more than the average Debian home user on the > main user list? Forwarding this to debian-isp, but I'll try to answer in the meantime. Are your PCs rackmount, server-class towers, or regular consumer cases? The servers I've worked with have all had their caddies and backplanes provided by the case manufacturer; all the caddies have been interchangeable, but not between server/case manufacturers. I've not seen a server case manufacturer that also makes a single-drive hotswap bay. I haven't seen a desktop case with built-in hotswap, either. >From Googling around, I found cooldrives.com, which advertises external drive enclosures. Perhaps something like that's an option for you? Also looks like Thermaltake makes a single-drive SATA hotswap bay, which could be useful Good luck to you in your search! --John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;) If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?) this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven. My clicky board is hooked up downstairs on the desktop machine, and it's a real find -- a real IBM that has a two-button mouse and a "nubby" in the middle of the keyboard, just like their laptops. No need to reach for a mouse at all. I love that thing. Right at the moment, I'm on the MacBook -- my second favorite keyboard. At work, they use IBM's and the external keyboard isn't "clicky" but it's about as close as you can get on a new keyboard these days... I'm a happy typist. I never got used to "squishy" keyboards, I originally learned to type on an IBM Selectric typewriter, and I make a lot more mistakes on keyboards that have no audible or tactile feedback... or aren't "flat" enough (like the MacBook) to remind me of my original Tandy Color Computer Model I. The keyboard I dislike the most are the newer cheap Sun Type V keyboards that came with "regular" ball mice. Those things stink. Older ones (which were "squishy" I will admit) were much better built -- the ones with the optical mouse, long before optical mice were popular... but they had to be used on the special little mousepad with the lines embedded in it... I could get by on those. :-) -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: permissions in /sbin
On Dec 5, 2007, at 10:31 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: One obvious problem with removing permissions on all this stuff is there are sometimes situations where an ordinary user legitimately needs to run, say, mount. Seems to me like setting up that user with sudo access to mount would fix the problem without moving things out of their normal locations? -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS
On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:17 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Looks like I am looking for a 7 Amp-Hour 12 volts F2 spade terminals .250" sealed lead-acid battery Fire alarms and security alarms often use these types of batteries. If you can find a local alarm service company, they probably have some or know where to get them locally. They might even sell you one from a bulk order they placed. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays and caddies
On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:39 AM, Bob wrote: Bob wrote: Sorry for the OT post but I know a few round here are well informed on the storage industry. I'm just about to migrate a bunch of PCs to SATA from IDE as the IDE drive caddies are failing [0] and I already have my server and a few PCs using SATA, what I'm looking for is a drivebay / backplane manufacturer that has 5, 4, 3 and 1 slot internal bays available that use the *same* tray / housing / caddie. The tray / housing / caddie doesn't have to be rugged [1] or cover the whole drive, it would just be *really* convenient to be able to move drives around at will. My search (below) hasn't helped much, has anyone round here got any suggestions? sata "removable (disk | drive | harddrive) (caddy | bay | drawer | tray)" single multi Thanks [0] I think all ATA removable bays take a bunch of liberties with the standard anyway and these were cheap and are old [1] which I suppose by definition means it's not a caddie crickets, cicadas and frogs Alternatively if you can think of a better forum for this post a link would also be appreciated. The folks on the Debian-ISP list probably deal with this type of hardware quite a bit more than the average Debian home user on the main user list? -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On 12/6/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try Bach. P.D.Q. :) Fugue for Calliope (four hands) has a nice ring (as in circus?) :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where are lenny weekly build CD ISOs?
On 12/6/07, Cassiano Bertol Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All -cd directories under > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ are empty... The > - -dvd ones are there. Are the CDs not being generated? I just went there. And the CD images/jigdo/torrent files are missing, at least on the i386 architecture. On the other hand, they're present for mips and arm, and missing (even dvd's) from amd64. So it looks like maybe the process didn't complete? Try again next week (or this week?). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:42:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/06/07 21:16, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] > >> Orchestral music doesn't seem to have a consistent rhythm in the > >> same sense that "common" music does. > > > > Try Bach. > > > > I know its not orchestral but try Toccata and Fugue in D minor; the > > fugue part. However, I'm assuming that you only have one keyboard on > > which to type not the 3 (or was it four) for which it was written. :) > > As a matter of fact, I listened to them earlier this afternoon. > I haven't played the T&C in years. I still remember the Halloween night I went to the church and opened up all the windows and let'er rip. It was a Thursday night; the choir reported hearing it from about five blocks away. I still haven't got Widor's tocatta performance ready but it would be fun to type to too. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/07 21:16, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] >> Orchestral music doesn't seem to have a consistent rhythm in the >> same sense that "common" music does. > > Try Bach. > > I know its not orchestral but try Toccata and Fugue in D minor; the > fugue part. However, I'm assuming that you only have one keyboard on > which to type not the 3 (or was it four) for which it was written. :) As a matter of fact, I listened to them earlier this afternoon. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile." Santa-bot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHWME8S9HxQb37XmcRAjSlAKChP//9QnGkz5baweUqY/2yA+7+mwCgvohh gENy1CzvjE9QOR+RAB+LeUw= =vueo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/06/07 18:37, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:26:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 12/06/07 17:36, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >> [snip] > >>> I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's > >>> fantastic. The sound takes me back. > >> As I type this, Beethoven is (lightly) thundering out of my > >> speakers. Clickity-clack does *not* go well with good music > > > > oh, they're not that loud. And it's all about the rhythm. just type in > > time to the music ;-) > > Orchestral music doesn't seem to have a consistent rhythm in the > same sense that "common" music does. Try Bach. I know its not orchestral but try Toccata and Fugue in D minor; the fugue part. However, I'm assuming that you only have one keyboard on which to type not the 3 (or was it four) for which it was written. :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Preferred Backup Method?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:43:08PM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: > > > The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read > > > the docs. ?If you don't read, the partioner will kill you. > > > > At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. ?When I ? > > first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries! > > > > OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret ? > > of being newbie-hostile > > I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX > guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes. > there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me a > while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment. > Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:) > and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks! They want you to spend the $50 and buy the CDs. You _can_ just download the what you need via ftp, put it all in a directory, and burn it to a CD. Then burn the boot .iso, or make the boot floppy, and away you go. Now, with 4.2, they have one install42.iso that has all the install sets on it. You'll need that install42.iso and the MD5 to verify it. If you're doing something different, you may need something else. I haven't check, for example, to see if the floppy boot image is on install42.iso. I don't know about a LiveCD but it comes with Xorg and a basic window manager. Durring install you must say yes to the question that asks if you intend to run X. A couple of differences between a base Debian install and OpenBSD: Comes with sendmail set up for internet mail. You can install other MTAs from packages but you'll have to configure it as if you had installed from the tarball (no debian hand-holding). It is BSD not Linux. Linux is a bit of SysV and a bit of BSD. Permission of files inherit a bit of the directory they're in (I forget the details). Initscrips are rc NOT SysV. If you add a package you have to write the initscript snippet. network setup is different. The good news is that all of these basics are in the faq. The absolute definitive documentation is in the man pages available when you install and on the openbsd web site. I am not a unix guru. Everything I learned, I learned in Debian and from two books on unix: Unix System Administration Handbook and Absolute OpenBSD; mostly from working with debian CLI. The concepts are all the same. The internal workings of the kernels are different but you don't see that. Unix is Unix. Each unix-like OS and distribution layers different initscripts and config programs over top of this. I'd say go for it. If you get really stuck, mail me directly. Troubles with OpenBSD would be OT on Debian and the people on misc@ openbsd aren't nice and friendly to anyone especially newbies. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Socket A motherboard
Bob wrote: Jacob S. wrote: Howdy list, Sorry this is a bit OT, but the motherboard just died in one of my computers. I was hoping to simply replace it, since I do not have enough money to build a new computer right now. But, I can't find any good sources for a socket A motherboard w/SATA (the computer currently has an Athlon XP 2200+ in it). So, does anybody know of a reliable source for a decent socket A motherboard? Newegg.com and zipzoomfly.com don't have anything that fits the criteria. :-( TIA, Jacob You can still find Asrock K7S41GX MBs in Singapore & Hong Kong They are still available because they support the low power Geode NX processors. http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K7S41GX It doesn't have ob SATA but a PCI card can fix that. Good luck One of these actually has that lopower proc in it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+1070907493&name=A+(462) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME and Power Management
Never say never. You might trying setting it one tick on this side of never. Sebastian On Dec 6, 2007 6:15 PM, Francisco M Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings, > >I'm having a very annoying trouble with GNOME Power Management.I > usually keep the setting to never put the display to sleep. However, > it doesn't work. As soon as I log in, the setting is there. However, > if the computer is let idle for some time, the monitor goes to sleep. > However, when I open the Power Management Preferences and slide the > cursor away from the "Never" setting and back to it, the setting > sticks and then it works. > >Has anyone else had this problem? i'm not sure if it's a GNOME > issue or something deeper. > >I'd appreciate any insight. > > Thanks, > Francisco > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "...heart and soulone will burn." - Joy Division -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNOME and Power Management
Greetings, I'm having a very annoying trouble with GNOME Power Management.I usually keep the setting to never put the display to sleep. However, it doesn't work. As soon as I log in, the setting is there. However, if the computer is let idle for some time, the monitor goes to sleep. However, when I open the Power Management Preferences and slide the cursor away from the "Never" setting and back to it, the setting sticks and then it works. Has anyone else had this problem? i'm not sure if it's a GNOME issue or something deeper. I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks, Francisco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Socket A motherboard
Jacob S. wrote: Howdy list, Sorry this is a bit OT, but the motherboard just died in one of my computers. I was hoping to simply replace it, since I do not have enough money to build a new computer right now. But, I can't find any good sources for a socket A motherboard w/SATA (the computer currently has an Athlon XP 2200+ in it). So, does anybody know of a reliable source for a decent socket A motherboard? Newegg.com and zipzoomfly.com don't have anything that fits the criteria. :-( TIA, Jacob You can still find Asrock K7S41GX MBs in Singapore & Hong Kong They are still available because they support the low power Geode NX processors. http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K7S41GX It doesn't have ob SATA but a PCI card can fix that. Good luck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;)
>
> If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
> this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
> keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.
>
> I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of
> you do lots of typing...
Thanks, Andrew,
I still have mine (and the IBM 486 PS/ValuePoint it came with). I have
it plugged into my main Athlon64 box in the basement. Upstairs (which
interestingly enough is where I do more typing {hmm}), I have a
non-clicky keyboard that I got out of the dump. I can touch-type 130
wpm on the clicky without errors. I have trouble making it through my
login without errors on the non-clicky.
I think I know what I'll get for Christmas.
Thanks,
Doug.
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Re: OT: clicky keyboards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/07 18:37, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:26:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 12/06/07 17:36, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >> [snip] >>> I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's >>> fantastic. The sound takes me back. >> As I type this, Beethoven is (lightly) thundering out of my >> speakers. Clickity-clack does *not* go well with good music > > oh, they're not that loud. And it's all about the rhythm. just type in > time to the music ;-) Orchestral music doesn't seem to have a consistent rhythm in the same sense that "common" music does. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile." Santa-bot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHWKWoS9HxQb37XmcRAu/FAJ9TzUqyBfIgjUx/VjATcJfENdeh+QCffuBz tOarpJAKlDG8yNUc9Xnxzcw= =/sOu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
* Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Dec 06 18:42 -0600]: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:20:46PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Dec 06 17:42 -0600]: > > > > > They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and > > > carry one with the laptop? > > > > I have a bit of trouble with mine and the PS/2 to USB adaptor at work. > > Upon a cold boot I have to unplug the cable from the rear of the > > keyboard and plug it back in. If the laptop has been in suspend, XP > > will never see it again. :-/ > > Apparently they draw quite a bit more current (like an order of > magnitude) than a modern keyboard. Many ps/2-usb adapters are dumb > devices and don't properly handle this. There are several that > do. That may well be the source of the problem. Clicky keyboards sells > one and there are references I think to other brands known to work. That sounds plausible, Andrew. I bought mine at Radio Shack which may be a problem right there. :-O - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's > fantastic. The sound takes me back. And once you adjust to an > ever-so-slightly-different key spacing, it's a breeze. I swear I'm > typing faster with fewer mistakes. And definitely less fatigue. > > Finding an old one lying around would definitely be a score. A couple of years ago my wife wandered into the local school district clearinghouse (or whatever it is called, but it is the place where the school board used to get rid of old stuff) and found a big box full of old model M IBM clicky keyboards. She brought home four or five for just about as many dollars. And several of them were the pre-lexmark actual IBMs. Of course, the school district stopped selling stuff like that not long after, so I never got anymore. Maybe other areas have a similar situation, with school districts selling their old equipment cheap. For those looking for this kind of deal it might be worth it to make some calls and see what the local government does with their stuff. It sure beats that Belkin at Wal-Mart. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian resolves unkown hosts to itself
On 12/06/2007 03:32 PM Jonathan wrote: Hello, I have an odd thing happening with DNS. When I do something like: $ nslookup va.med.gov. Server:206.141.193.55 Address:206.141.193.55#53 ** server can't find va.med.gov: NXDOMAIN Makes sense, right. But when I ping va.med.gov from the same server, it seems to resolve to the public ip of the box Im pinging from. # ping va.med.gov PING mydomain.com (1.2.3.4) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from host.mydomain.com (1.2.3.4): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms --- mydomain.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.006/0.008/0.013/0.004 ms 1.2.3.4 is the public IP of the machine I'm pinging from. va.med.gov is in no way affiliated with my domain. /etc/resolv.conf looks like: search mydomain.com nameserver 4.2.2.2 Any ideas? Thanks in advance! Any chance you have in your /etc/hosts file: 1.2.3.4 mydomain.com va.med.gov Somewhere you have va.med.gov associated with your IP address, and this is the only place I can think of. When I put va.med.gov in my /etc/hosts file, I get the same behavior. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:26:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/06/07 17:36, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > [snip] > > > > I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's > > fantastic. The sound takes me back. > > As I type this, Beethoven is (lightly) thundering out of my > speakers. Clickity-clack does *not* go well with good music oh, they're not that loud. And it's all about the rhythm. just type in time to the music ;-) A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:20:46PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Dec 06 17:42 -0600]: > > > They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and > > carry one with the laptop? > > I have a bit of trouble with mine and the PS/2 to USB adaptor at work. > Upon a cold boot I have to unplug the cable from the rear of the > keyboard and plug it back in. If the laptop has been in suspend, XP > will never see it again. :-/ Apparently they draw quite a bit more current (like an order of magnitude) than a modern keyboard. Many ps/2-usb adapters are dumb devices and don't properly handle this. There are several that do. That may well be the source of the problem. Clicky keyboards sells one and there are references I think to other brands known to work. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/07 17:36, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] > > I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's > fantastic. The sound takes me back. As I type this, Beethoven is (lightly) thundering out of my speakers. Clickity-clack does *not* go well with good music > And once you adjust to an > ever-so-slightly-different key spacing, it's a breeze. I swear I'm > typing faster with fewer mistakes. And definitely less fatigue. > > Finding an old one lying around would definitely be a score. > > They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and > carry one with the laptop? :) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile." Santa-bot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHWJNMS9HxQb37XmcRAqnLAJ4z6QsiJ+0fcncJcfiwZ8dysaPZUACgkSBq aZTxqjOJ3EXZpAAVLSZznNc= =nwCg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
* Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Dec 06 17:42 -0600]: > Finding an old one lying around would definitely be a score. Several years ago I wisely snapped up several at a ham radio swapmeet. I have also stashed several from work of the classic IBM PS/2 keyboards. > They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and > carry one with the laptop? I have a bit of trouble with mine and the PS/2 to USB adaptor at work. Upon a cold boot I have to unplug the cable from the rear of the keyboard and plug it back in. If the laptop has been in suspend, XP will never see it again. :-/ - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian resolves unkown hosts to itself
Hello, I have an odd thing happening with DNS. When I do something like: $ nslookup va.med.gov. Server:206.141.193.55 Address:206.141.193.55#53 ** server can't find va.med.gov: NXDOMAIN Makes sense, right. But when I ping va.med.gov from the same server, it seems to resolve to the public ip of the box Im pinging from. # ping va.med.gov PING mydomain.com (1.2.3.4) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from host.mydomain.com (1.2.3.4): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms --- mydomain.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.006/0.008/0.013/0.004 ms 1.2.3.4 is the public IP of the machine I'm pinging from. va.med.gov is in no way affiliated with my domain. /etc/resolv.conf looks like: search mydomain.com nameserver 4.2.2.2 Any ideas? Thanks in advance! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng
apt-cacher-ng 0.1.7 and newer supports debian installer Thanks to Eduard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Preferred Backup Method?
Paul Cartwright wrote: On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you. At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries! OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret of being newbie-hostile I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes. there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me a while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment. Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:) and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks! Please do ask about a live cd quoted from comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc: I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates: 4.2-release for i386 is now available. There is a bug with the XFCE image, so that is still 4.1. amd64 architecture will follow within the next few weeks. www.jggimi.homeip.net some interesting stuff there -- Bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:21:25AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;) > > > > If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?) > > this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM > > keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven. > > > > I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of > > you do lots of typing... > > Wow, I used to have those at work. They are really great and probably > indestructible, but not really useful for a laptop user ... I wonder > what happened to them when we replaced them. Hhmm, maybe I can still > find one. I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's fantastic. The sound takes me back. And once you adjust to an ever-so-slightly-different key spacing, it's a breeze. I swear I'm typing faster with fewer mistakes. And definitely less fatigue. Finding an old one lying around would definitely be a score. They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and carry one with the laptop? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Preferred Backup Method?
Paul Cartwright wrote: On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you. At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries! OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret of being newbie-hostile I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes. there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me a while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment. Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:) and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks! I can't say anything about OBSD as a back-up, but as a firewall it certainly kicks ass! One version or another has been running under my desk for a few years' now, just bare bones, no X, and with a pf rule-set config file guarding my LAN and it just purrs along - low maintenance de luxe! And resilient, despite power outages and my own cock ups, it just bounces back. I'm looking to upgrade soon and will probably buy the CD set to support the team. Small price to pay for rock solid network security and stability. A -- "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: clicky keyboards
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;) > > If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?) > this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM > keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven. > > I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of > you do lots of typing... Wow, I used to have those at work. They are really great and probably indestructible, but not really useful for a laptop user ... I wonder what happened to them when we replaced them. Hhmm, maybe I can still find one. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:13:49PM +0100, Misko wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:51:14PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > I've changed my ~/.muttrc file, does it work now Misko? > > Yes, Now it is OK for me. > But there must be something wrong with my setup since as it seems > I am the only one who has this problem. > > Here I include my .muttrc file. > I use Mutt 1.5.13 (2006-08-11) version as found on official DVD. [snip muttrc] Sorry, I can't spot anything in there that could affect viewing signed mail. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Goldberg wrote: > > i've spent DAYS trying to get exim to work to no avail. In that case, don't use Exim. I'm not being sarcastic. It's not a put-down. Exim isn't as arcane as Sendmail, but I found it much more difficult to learn to configure than Postfix. Exim has a friendly support group. When I was using Exim, they answered questions for me about fairly routine things, and I went back to see if I'd overlooked that stuff in the manual, and it wasn't there. "Drivers" and "Routers" that weren't mentioned at all. Maybe it's better now. If you're just running a workstation, msmtp and fetchmail might be all you need. If you need the things you can do with Exim, you can probably do them more easily with Postfix. When I bailed on Exim I switched to Qmail. That was a mistake I have documented elsewhere. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/416#comment_6 > so let me start at the beginning. > > What exactly IS exim? A message transport agent. See RFC2821. A large set-UID root binary. Compiled C code. When the mail is directed towards your domain, it's an SMTP server. When you're sending, it's an SMTP client. Like most MTAs, it is also a simple mail delivery agent. But you could use Procmail for that. > > IOW: when I setup sendmail, I'm working with bash scripts. > > when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl? It's a special language peculiar to Exim. Cameron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to filter out testing or stable from installed package
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:14:37AM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > H.H. Ding wrote: > > hi list > > > > I config my sources list both in stable and testing, now I want to know > > which package installed on my host is from stable and with is from > > testing. How can I know it? > > > > many thanks. > > > This was discussed recently on this list; see > > Re: Listing packages > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/10/msg02136.html > > and > > Re: Pining: command to list unstable packages? > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/12/msg1.html That's another good question for the http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Preferred Backup Method?
On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: > > The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read > > the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you. > > At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I > first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries! > > OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret > of being newbie-hostile I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes. there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me a while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment. Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:) and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459
Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
Bob Goldberg([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > On Dec 5, 9:40 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > interesting... > I did try it w/o enclosing fail in it's own braces... > but the expansion still shows "fail" when in fact, the lookup was > successful. > > Does anyone know what language this is? > I can just go look at a language reference for the lookup/lsearch command(s) > if I knew what language this was Bob There is an exim4 list "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" that is monitored by one of the maintainers of the package. You might try there if you need to get 'deep' into the inner workings. Wayne -- I am a computer, dumber than any human and smarter than any administrator. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: clicky keyboards
Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;) If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?) this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven. I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of you do lots of typing... cheers A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
exim - what is it? (how does it run)
On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Bob Goldberg wrote: > > > when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl? > > Exim reads it in itself. Just like Sendmail reads in sendmail.cf. > > Unless you're talking about Debian's Rube-Goldbergian system for > building an Exim config file from pieces. I never really figured that > out...I always ended up using one monolithic file, when I had to do > manual configuration. > TX, David; no - only monolithic for me the other sounds like too many things can go wrong or get confused. TX - Bob
exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"
On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I believe there have only been 2 people, you & someone else that made > > reference to the the example conf file distributed with exim. This file > > I think that was me too ;) LOL > > > no man page for exim.conf > > /etc/exim4/exim4.conf > > it will override debconf's version. > Andrew, I'll give that a try - again Many TX! really appreciate it! Bob
Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:22:58PM -0600, Bob Goldberg wrote:
> On Dec 5, 9:40 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:26:38PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > ie: the command line [from my router] is:
> > > data = [EMAIL PROTECTED]/etc/exim4/email-accept}
> > > {:fail: User unknown }}
> >
> > > what interpreter can I execute this line of code in to see what the
> > > heck it's doing?
> >
> > one of my lookups that has a fail in it has no colons (:) around
> > it and the fail is not in its own set of braces. try it like this:
> >
> > data =
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/etc/exim4/email-accept}fail}}
> >
> > taking out the User unknown part.
> >
> > Don't ask me why...
> >
> > A
>
> interesting...
> I did try it w/o enclosing fail in it's own braces...
> but the expansion still shows "fail" when in fact, the lookup was
> successful.
I still don't know about that, but here is another method you could
try.
Instead of verifying recipients (other thread), try this acl:
accept recipient = lsearch;/path/to/recipients-file
where the recipients-file looks like:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
then use a simple router/transport combo to send everything to
exchange server. That acl does a simple linear seach of the
recipients-file for the address in question. If it finds it, the acl
will accept. if not it will pass. you could get away, in this case,
with probably just two lines of acl: the one accept above and then a
default deny at the bottom and be done with it.
>
> Does anyone know what language this is?
nope. well, someone does, but not me.
> I can just go look at a language reference for the lookup/lsearch command(s)
> if I knew what language this was
>
I don't know if you've made it to exim.org yet, but here is where I
figured out the above acl:
http://exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch10.html
with help from:
http://exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch09.html
The docs are pretty good really, but you have to realise that exim is
really full featured and has many more options and then I could ever
imagine. THat makes it complicated. and it makes the docs really
really long. Give yourself time to grok it all...
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exim - what is it? (how does it run)
On Dec 5, 9:40 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:26:38PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > ie: the command line [from my router] is:
> > data = [EMAIL PROTECTED]/etc/exim4/email-accept}
> > {:fail: User unknown }}
>
> > what interpreter can I execute this line of code in to see what the
> > heck it's doing?
>
> one of my lookups that has a fail in it has no colons (:) around
> it and the fail is not in its own set of braces. try it like this:
>
> data =
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/etc/exim4/email-accept}fail}}
>
> taking out the User unknown part.
>
> Don't ask me why...
>
> A
interesting...
I did try it w/o enclosing fail in it's own braces...
but the expansion still shows "fail" when in fact, the lookup was
successful.
Does anyone know what language this is?
I can just go look at a language reference for the lookup/lsearch command(s)
if I knew what language this was
TX..
Bob
Re: backup system with HTTP console
On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Jerry DuVal wrote: Does anyone have a recommendation of a backup utility/system that has a web interface for configuring? BackupPC has an excellent web interface for administration. You do have to configure it by editing configuration files first, though, so it's not quite what you're asking for.
Re: Preferred Backup Method?
On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you. At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries! OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret of being newbie-hostile. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I don't know if OpenBSD has any other tricks under the hood to protect the system from a milicious but legitimate shell user. They might have a few, I don't know. It's worth noting that their brag line on their website only refers to *remote* security holes. They don't make any guarantees about protecting you from your own users. Preventing a malicious shell user from gaining root is usually possible, with care, but preventing a malicious user from creating a denial-of-service situation is often impossible. You can't really set memory and process limits low enough to prevent a user from bogging the machine down without cutting legitimate applications off at the knees, so a "fork bomb" almost always results in an unusable system. Unless you're running a public open-access system with shell access (rare), this type of problem is usually best dealt with by having a "friendly" chat with the user in question. If the user is local you may want to bring a length of "sucker rod." (See item 5 of the SECURITY THREATS section of the Linux sysklogd(8) manpage.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:59:07AM -0600, Bob Goldberg wrote:
> On Dec 5, 9:50 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > exchange_router:
> > driver = manualroute # not manual!
> > data = ${lookup{$local_part}lsearch{/path/to/recipient-file}}
> > transport = exchange_smtp
> >
> > you don't need a 'fail' part (other thread) because since this router
> > won't match, and the ACL above will deny it. I think.
> >
>
> Andrew:
> 10TB TX! your posts helped immensely!
:)
> Now the whole process is starting to make some sense to me nothing like
> a good example to get you going!
> I "think" I can now handle the specifics of what I need to do
> programatically (in the conf file). I should at least know enuf to do some
> decent testing...
That example file is the best documentation out there. Once you more
or less grok that file, then the specs on the exim website begin to
make sense.
>
> I believe there have only been 2 people, you & someone else that made
> reference to the the example conf file distributed with exim. This file
I think that was me too ;)
> makes more sense than the conf other files. I am at a complete loss as to
> why more references to this file do not seem to exist - particularly in
> doc's/faq's I've read on debian & exim sites.
>
> I had actually started to go thru this file before, but I stopped,
> because of 1 crucial thing.
> Even IF I got the file perfect - I'm still not sure where it goes! LOL.
...
> I have to assume it should not go in /etc/exim.conf as there IS an exim4
> directory...
> no man page for exim.conf
/etc/exim4/exim4.conf
it will override debconf's version.
>
> anyway... I had given up on exim.conf as a solution for all of the above
> reasons...
good luck!
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Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Bob Goldberg wrote: when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl? Exim reads it in itself. Just like Sendmail reads in sendmail.cf. Unless you're talking about Debian's Rube-Goldbergian system for building an Exim config file from pieces. I never really figured that out...I always ended up using one monolithic file, when I had to do manual configuration. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SUDO
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exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"
On Dec 5, 9:50 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> exchange_router:
> driver = manualroute # not manual!
> data = ${lookup{$local_part}lsearch{/path/to/recipient-file}}
> transport = exchange_smtp
>
> you don't need a 'fail' part (other thread) because since this router
> won't match, and the ACL above will deny it. I think.
>
> hth
>
> A
>
Andrew:
10TB TX! your posts helped immensely!
Now the whole process is starting to make some sense to me nothing like
a good example to get you going!
I "think" I can now handle the specifics of what I need to do
programatically (in the conf file). I should at least know enuf to do some
decent testing...
I believe there have only been 2 people, you & someone else that made
reference to the the example conf file distributed with exim. This file
makes more sense than the conf other files. I am at a complete loss as to
why more references to this file do not seem to exist - particularly in
doc's/faq's I've read on debian & exim sites.
I had actually started to go thru this file before, but I stopped,
because of 1 crucial thing.
Even IF I got the file perfect - I'm still not sure where it goes! LOL.
It certainly can't replace exim4.conf.template (I think) because none of the
expected var's are in there.
I don't think I can just place it in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
because, as the name implies, that file get's overwritten each time exim is
started.
I don't "think" it does anything to leave it in /etc/exim4/exim.conf
because I don't think that any automated process looks at that file...
although I've seen many references to this file, I believe they were all
related to exim ver. 3.
I don't think it can replace sa-exim.conf as that file pertains to spam
assassin.
I have to assume it should not go in /etc/exim.conf as there IS an exim4
directory...
no man page for exim.conf
anyway... I had given up on exim.conf as a solution for all of the above
reasons...
jEdit - ia32-sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-10-3_ia64 (32-bit/etch)?
Hi All, I'm trying to get jEdit to run on Debian (etch) 32-bit, but am having some issues. I got it installed on my 64-bit system just fine, but this was only accomplished on the 64-bit system because I was able to install the 'ia32-sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-10-3_ia64.deb' package (along with the other required java packages). I'm unable to install this particular package on a 32-bit system, nor can I find a 32-bit version. I've installed all other required java packages that I needed to install on my 64-bit system, but it seems I still need the 'ia32-sun-java5-bin' package to get it going. When I run jEdit, I receive the following errors: $ jedit Warning: -mx32m option NOT RECOGNIZED by java-sablevm. A not recognized option will be just passed to SableVM. Note that we don't know if we should expect an argument after it. It almost _surely_ will result in an errors when the param is followed by an argument. Refer to 'man java-sablevm' and 'man sablevm'. Unknown option: -mx32m Any suggestions would be much appreciated! -sod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with compiling
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:53:05AM +0100, Erik Jakobsen wrote: Ok very nice. What, where do I have to look ? google? snip... Tanks. yes. please learn to use the search tools: aptitide search or apt-cache search . I will, and many thanks. Motion is running finenow here with a Logitech webcam. E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bash color aliases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Ruffer wrote: > Hello Cassiano, > > thats what I expected. I did logout and login a several times while > trying, but nothing happend. > > Is there a another place which overrights the /home/user/.bashrc ? Have a look at ~/.bash_profile (where ~ is the user's home dir). Look for these lines: # include .bashrc if it exists if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi It should look like what I have pasted above. If the if ... fi statement is commented out, uncomment it. Otherwise, .bash_profile will be run, but .bashrc won't. Hope it solves your problem! > Christian > Cheers, Cassiano Leal P.S.: Please don't top-post as it makes it harder to follow long threads. > Cassiano Bertol Leal schrieb: > Christian Ruffer wrote: Hello, can you please tell me how to set colors and aliases in my bash. I read the docs and comments, which told me to add or uncomment the lines in /home/user/.bashrc. I did that, but the changes didn't take an effect. For the root user it works when I change /root/.bashrc How can I change the bash for a normal user? best regards, Christian > > It actually *is* like that. The thing is that it will not work until the > next time you log in. > > Cheers, > Cassiano Leal >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWDINq4Bz51JiUuERAqI8AKC2EBYSklZe2x2aq1WDfhzgQvDDCQCgqje0 hm+dWnCfmy3AVWak+cLBKLw= =nrhM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup system with HTTP console
On Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 12:16:19 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:48:33AM -0500, Jerry DuVal wrote: > > Does anyone have a recommendation of a backup utility/system that has a web > > interface for configuring? > > > > Why? What problem would that solve for you? Seconded. If you're using Debian unstable, or the backports.org then there is an HHTP interface available for backuppc. The status reports and scheduling facilities are great - but the configuration is still just a giant configuration file in a textbox. There is no sane GUI. (In Etch there is HTTP access, but not for making configuration changes.) Steve -- http://www.steve.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup system with HTTP console
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 12:23:32PM -0500, Jerry DuVal wrote: > When a client purchases our software we deliver it to them on a leased > server. The clients do not have any access to the server besides http. We > allow them to configure CUPS through the web admin console and execute > certain operations tied to a admin console we built. I would like a backup > system that includes a web interface ( so I don't have to build one ), that > would allow our clients to configure a backup schedule, check the status of > a backup, and maybe burn the backup to a CD. apt-cache search backup | grep web provides slbackup-php, a web interface for slbackup. I've not used either product, but it looks like a step in the right direction. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: bash color aliases
Is ~/.bashrc only run automatically for non-login shells? I think it should be "sourced" in ~/.bash_profile so that it will run either way. e.g.: source ~/.bashrc Of course, also run the above command manually to ensure the .bashrc script works. Bogart On Dec 6, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Christian Ruffer wrote: Hello Cassiano, thats what I expected. I did logout and login a several times while trying, but nothing happend. Is there a another place which overrights the /home/user/.bashrc ? Christian Cassiano Bertol Leal schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Ruffer wrote: Hello, can you please tell me how to set colors and aliases in my bash. I read the docs and comments, which told me to add or uncomment the lines in /home/user/.bashrc. I did that, but the changes didn't take an effect. For the root user it works when I change /root/.bashrc How can I change the bash for a normal user? best regards, Christian It actually *is* like that. The thing is that it will not work until the next time you log in. Cheers, Cassiano Leal -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWALIq4Bz51JiUuERAsP8AJ9lbgXnrxVy4tPhdANJIK5lX3q+7ACfdCHM el84xnVd11X/MsxB82P04yA= =4N9D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backup system with HTTP console
When a client purchases our software we deliver it to them on a leased server. The clients do not have any access to the server besides http. We allow them to configure CUPS through the web admin console and execute certain operations tied to a admin console we built. I would like a backup system that includes a web interface ( so I don't have to build one ), that would allow our clients to configure a backup schedule, check the status of a backup, and maybe burn the backup to a CD. > -Original Message- > From: Douglas A. Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:16 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: backup system with HTTP console > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:48:33AM -0500, Jerry DuVal wrote: > > Does anyone have a recommendation of a backup utility/system that has > a web > > interface for configuring? > > > > Why? What problem would that solve for you? > > Doug. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup system with HTTP console
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:48:33AM -0500, Jerry DuVal wrote: > Does anyone have a recommendation of a backup utility/system that has a web > interface for configuring? > Why? What problem would that solve for you? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
backup system with HTTP console
Does anyone have a recommendation of a backup utility/system that has a web interface for configuring? Jerry DuVal Pace Systems Group, Inc. 800.624.5999 www.Pace2020.com
Re: bash color aliases
Hello Cassiano, thats what I expected. I did logout and login a several times while trying, but nothing happend. Is there a another place which overrights the /home/user/.bashrc ? Christian Cassiano Bertol Leal schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Ruffer wrote: Hello, can you please tell me how to set colors and aliases in my bash. I read the docs and comments, which told me to add or uncomment the lines in /home/user/.bashrc. I did that, but the changes didn't take an effect. For the root user it works when I change /root/.bashrc How can I change the bash for a normal user? best regards, Christian It actually *is* like that. The thing is that it will not work until the next time you log in. Cheers, Cassiano Leal -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWALIq4Bz51JiUuERAsP8AJ9lbgXnrxVy4tPhdANJIK5lX3q+7ACfdCHM el84xnVd11X/MsxB82P04yA= =4N9D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie help on installing java on etch /without/ x11 (crosspost from debian-java)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:20:20AM +, Tim Diggins wrote: > Hi list - > > have recently started with debian etch (sort of know what I'm doing in BSD, > linux is a /slightly/ new adventure). > > I want to install jdk (and tomcat) by the simplest means, but DON'T want to > install x11 stuff. it depends on libx11-6. That is *not* X, just the libraries required to forward x11. So that you could forward java x11 stuff from this box to some other box that is actually running X. this all assumes you're trying to install sun-java6(5?)-jdk. > > the standard etch package for jdk1.5 seems to require x11. Is there a way > to install this without installing x? libx11-6 is required. UNless you could find some dummy package to pretend to provide it. > > any pointers (including pointers to generic apt no-x11 configuration that > I've missed - though I have search for it) very welcome there is now way I know of to explicitly exclude X (as in the whole gui experience) without paying attention to what gets dragged in by installing stuff. Unless, you want to get into apt-pinning, which is worth reading up on. If you could pin xserver-xorg* to a negative number, then they'll never be installed unless you explicitly ask for it. Not sure what happens in that case if you try to install something that depends on it, though... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Problem with compiling
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:53:05AM +0100, Erik Jakobsen wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > Sometime ago Erik wrote: > > > I want to install the PWC software for my Logitech Webcam Pro 4000 > > > I got the code from here: > > > > > > http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/ > > > > > > And i tried form ther pwc-10.0.11.tar.bz2 > > > well there is now a 10.0.12-rc1 out so you might look into that. > > Ok very nice. > > What, where do I have to look ? google? snip... > > >any reason why you aren't using pwc-source package from debian? Also > >note that package claims that after 2.6.18 the pwc module is no longer > >needed as the "uncompressor thingy" is in the kernel tree, so you may > >not need it at all. Indeed, I do have pwc* modules on my system. > > The reason is, that I gor the link to pwc on the Motion homepage. > > Where can I get the pwc-source package. Byt apt-get install it ? yes. please learn to use the search tools: aptitide search or apt-cache search . > > Sorry for the huge delay in answereing :-( no problem A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:51:14PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > I've changed my ~/.muttrc file, does it work now Misko? Yes, Now it is OK for me. But there must be something wrong with my setup since as it seems I am the only one who has this problem. Here I include my .muttrc file. I use Mutt 1.5.13 (2006-08-11) version as found on official DVD. $ cat ~/.muttrc ignore * unignore To From Subject Date # Determine in which order header should be displayed hdr_order Date: From To: Subject: # Do not verify signature #set crypt_verify_sig=no # Here is my folders for mail set folder=~/Mutt/Mail # This is folder where readed mail are stored if they are not #puted in some other folder set mbox=+/special/readmail # Where to save mesage for later to be send 'postponed' message # (some mailer call this 'draft' folder) set postponed=+/special/postponed # When we compose new message should it be postponed message set recall=ask-no # Here we save outgoing mails set record=+/special/sendmail # Outgoing mails can be saved in folder =/name where name is #username of senders from his address [EMAIL PROTECTED] #set save_name=yes # Set attachment forwarding set mime_forward = ask-no # Enable to edit headers when sending mail set edit_headers=yes # Editor to be used for sending mail set editor="emacs -nw -l ~/.emacs" # Allow messages with empty subject set abort_nosubject=no # Make a beep when new mail arrive set beep_new=yes # Not to abort sendig message when not changed this message set abort_unmodified=no # Let us sort mails in inbox by threads set sort=threads # When sending mail use adress supplied by user in From: field # instead of default set envelope_from=yes # How to list folders when changing one set folder_format="%2C %t%N %10s %f" # This file cotains alsiases set alias_file=~/Mutt/alias.mutt # And this command reads alias from the given file source ~/Mutt/alias.mutt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: person playing wesnoth as root
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:56:59AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I don't have previous threads stored on my box, so I can't link this > into the right thread. > > There was a thread in the last few days from someone who felt that they > need to run the westnoth game as root to access some kind of > framebuffer. > > As a concrete example of why this should be avoided, I note today's > security announcement on the game that there is a bug which allows an > attacker to read any file to which the user running the game has access. > > Some attacker could have read the shadow-password file (heh, the whole > /etc), crack all the passwords, and just be waiting for ssh to open port > 22. Pubkey wouldn't help since they'd also have read your ~/.ssh/ > > Doug. > > I figured out my problem and fixed it actually, and I stopped running everything through sudo. The only things I use sudo for now is iptables, halt and reboot (So that I don't have to type a password just to use those). Thanks for the heads up though, very much appreciated. -- If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they restrict the use of these programs. - Richard Stallman signature.asc Description: Digital signature
person playing wesnoth as root
I don't have previous threads stored on my box, so I can't link this into the right thread. There was a thread in the last few days from someone who felt that they need to run the westnoth game as root to access some kind of framebuffer. As a concrete example of why this should be avoided, I note today's security announcement on the game that there is a bug which allows an attacker to read any file to which the user running the game has access. Some attacker could have read the shadow-password file (heh, the whole /etc), crack all the passwords, and just be waiting for ssh to open port 22. Pubkey wouldn't help since they'd also have read your ~/.ssh/ Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bash color aliases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Ruffer wrote: > Hello, > > can you please tell me how to set colors and aliases in my bash. > I read the docs and comments, which told me to add or uncomment the > lines in /home/user/.bashrc. > I did that, but the changes didn't take an effect. > For the root user it works when I change /root/.bashrc > > How can I change the bash for a normal user? > > best regards, > Christian It actually *is* like that. The thing is that it will not work until the next time you log in. Cheers, Cassiano Leal -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWALIq4Bz51JiUuERAsP8AJ9lbgXnrxVy4tPhdANJIK5lX3q+7ACfdCHM el84xnVd11X/MsxB82P04yA= =4N9D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fglrx-driver 8.43.2-1 doesnt detect FireGL5200 on Thinkpad Z61p
> > I just tried it in my Thinkpad Z61M (Mobile X1400) and it seems to be > > working well in 2D. > > > > Anthony > > I've switch from vesa to the radonhd driver and it worked instantly on > my Z61p/FireGL5200. > Although I cannot see a difference. > > Does anyone have success/experience with any driver and > + switch to/from external monitor/beamer/projector (with different > resolution) > + suspend2disk/ram > Nice to see it's working for you guys. Switching to external display works for me, as does suspend2disk. Suspend2ram never worked for me (nothing to do with radeonhd thought), but I can't see a reason why it shouldn't work. Robin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bash color aliases
Hello, can you please tell me how to set colors and aliases in my bash. I read the docs and comments, which told me to add or uncomment the lines in /home/user/.bashrc. I did that, but the changes didn't take an effect. For the root user it works when I change /root/.bashrc How can I change the bash for a normal user? best regards, Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where are lenny weekly build CD ISOs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, the subject pretty much says it all... All -cd directories under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ are empty... The - -dvd ones are there. Are the CDs not being generated? Cheers, Cassiano Leal -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHV/Axq4Bz51JiUuERAgdeAJ0VVPdCgpw9GSTkmsTOgbY0EgMvAACfeOde 1KJ71ZfYf/hkuGI21PBr7VM= =TiMc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crown for your taffeta punk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to filter out testing or stable from installed package
H.H. Ding wrote: > hi list > > I config my sources list both in stable and testing, now I want to know > which package installed on my host is from stable and with is from > testing. How can I know it? > > many thanks. > This was discussed recently on this list; see Re: Listing packages http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/10/msg02136.html and Re: Pining: command to list unstable packages? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/12/msg1.html -- Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Problem with compiling
> I want to install the PWC software for my Logitech Webcam Pro 4000 > I got the code from here: > > http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/ > > And i tried form ther pwc-10.0.11.tar.bz2 well there is now a 10.0.12-rc1 out so you might look into that. Ok very nice. What, where do I have to look ? > > And install per this information: > > http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/PWC/InstallationStandAloneModuleKernel2x6 > > Is that ok ? looks reasonable. What kernel are you building for? I'm using kernel 2.6.18-5-486 >any reason why you aren't using pwc-source package from debian? Also >note that package claims that after 2.6.18 the pwc module is no longer >needed as the "uncompressor thingy" is in the kernel tree, so you may >not need it at all. Indeed, I do have pwc* modules on my system. The reason is, that I gor the link to pwc on the Motion homepage. Where can I get the pwc-source package. Byt apt-get install it ? Sorry for the huge delay in answereing :-( -- Venlig hilsen - Best regards - Erik Jakobsen Licensed HAM-RADIO with the callsign OZ4KK http://www.urbakken.dk Registered Linux user #114875 with http://counter.li.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
newbie help on installing java on etch /without/ x11 (crosspost from debian-java)
Hi list - have recently started with debian etch (sort of know what I'm doing in BSD, linux is a /slightly/ new adventure). I want to install jdk (and tomcat) by the simplest means, but DON'T want to install x11 stuff. the standard etch package for jdk1.5 seems to require x11. Is there a way to install this without installing x? (there may be a generic apt/aptitutde answer, but it doesn't appear so (there is a way to mark a BSD machine as not wanting x) or do I have to go with the (pre-etch) two step install to do this? any pointers (including pointers to generic apt no-x11 configuration that I've missed - though I have search for it) very welcome many thanks Tim (crossposted from debian-java, cause I just realized that's not really a help list, but a dev list - apols to them) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /dev/raw1394 in 2.6.22 kernel and dvgrab
Hallo "HS", I've read your mail: /dev/raw1394 in 2.6.22 kernel and dvgrab at the user-list. I tried some days to get my DV-Camera work with Debian Etch, but was not successful. I dont know what kernelversion I use, but will take a look this evening. I can load ohci1394 and gscanbus works fine. As soon I plug in the Camera gscanbus does not work correct. (/dev/raw1394 exists an raw1394 ist loaded). Possibly there are problems with the kernel, the messages look like. Regards Ralph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
