Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:17:31 -0800 "David Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was helping to update a friends (old) p3 box that ran an old version > of etch, needed a bunch of security updates and kde and some other > stuff installed last night. I got all the updates installed except for > two things - open office (not sure he'll be using it, he wanted squid > set up primarily) and there were some errors about not being able to > access or write some font directories. Yeah, things like that can happen --- not very important maybe, but if you happen not to be able to install or update exim or cyrus on the mailserver over the weekend, it's not so nice when people come back to work on Monday and find out that they can't read or send their emails. And I'm talking about upgrading Sarge, involving switching from exim3 to exim4 as well as switching to a newer version of cyrus that required to convert all the mails to a differently organized format. Updating the webserver from Potatoe to testing-after-Sarge some time after there were no more security updates for Potatoe is also something you don't exactly want to do (I didn't). Updating an early amd64 distribution on the file server that was, at the time of installing, hosted on Alioth, to the later amd64 that was an official release is pretty much impossible. So the point is that upgrading from one release to another one is a leap that can not be undertaken lightly, if at all. That a stable release does not break doesn't mean that upgrading from one stable release to another doesn't break it. That is a problem you don't have when you run testing and keep it updated. You may have other problems running testing (I didn't), but if things really go wrong, you can still update to unstable from there. What is best to use still depends on the requirements, of course. If you really need it rock solid, run stable and make plans how to perform the upgrade to the next stable release. Is there a way back, like from testing to stable or from unstable to testing? Anyway, I do have a lot of trust in Debian (maybe too much?). Attributing stable as "rock solid" is quite an understatement, considering that testing uses to be rock solid. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Software For Book Writing
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:35:50 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Would someone please help me. I own a large corporation and was > somehow joined to this list not by my own doing. I have ceaselessly > attempted to unsuscribe about 50 times and it is not working. I get > over 50 e-mails a day from this group and as you can imagine it's > driving me over the edge. Please someone help me. Thanks. Go to http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe and select "debian-user", then, at the bottom, enter your email address, and then press the "unsubscribe" button. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What package should I install to see man pages for C library?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 01:54:30PM +0900, J.H.Kim wrote: > What package should I install to read C library manual using man? > I installed glibc-doc and glibc-doc-reference-2.3.6-1.all.deb but I > cannot see man page for C libray such as "fprintf". > When I do "man fprintf", "No manual entry for fprintf" message is found. > Please let me know what package I should install. manpages-dev. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What package should I install to see man pages for C library?
Hi, everyone What package should I install to read C library manual using man? I installed glibc-doc and glibc-doc-reference-2.3.6-1.all.deb but I cannot see man page for C libray such as "fprintf". When I do "man fprintf", "No manual entry for fprintf" message is found. Please let me know what package I should install. Thanks in advance. Regards, J.H.Kim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i386 to amd64
Thanks Boyd, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. escreveu: On Sunday 09 November 2008 19:04, Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: Sven Joachim escreveu: Setting up ia32-libs-tools (11) ... mangle: ia32-libs-tools/mangle.cc:231: size_t PkgDepAnd::parse(std::string&, size_t): Assertion `is_name(s[offset])' failed. /var/lib/dpkg/info/ia32-libs-tools.postinst: line 23: 7098 Done cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages 7099 Aborted | /usr/lib/ia32-libs-tools/mangle --index > /dev/null dpkg: error processing ia32-libs-tools (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134 Looks like mangle doesn't like the (a) the system it is running on or (b) your lists of Packages. I'm betting (b). Are you using any apt "deb" sources other than the official repositories? It's possible one of them is using a package name that doesn't fit mangle's expectations. Here's my /etc/sources.list [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ unstable main deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ testing non-free How can I find out where ia32-libs-tools is coming from? Thanks! -- Vinicius Andre Massuchetto http://vinicius.soylocoporti.org.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Zimbra]
--- Begin Message --- Does anyone know if ZimbraWebClient can be installed separately so that I could use its features like AtmailOpen and roundcube. I've been trying to research on this and so far from what I get is that the Open source Zimbra Collaboration Suite includes the mail server. Thanks! --- End Message ---
[Fwd: Zimbra]
--- Begin Message --- Hello, I've been trying to setup Zimbra for my Debian 4.0/ppc arch server. Can anybody tell if zimbra collaboration suite contains the zimbra server? I would only like to install the web client excluding the server. --- End Message ---
Fwd: Zimbra
-- Forwarded message -- From: rjubio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM Subject: Zimbra To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Does anyone know if ZimbraWebClient can be installed separately so that I could use its features like AtmailOpen and roundcube. I've been trying to research on this and so far from what I get is that the Open source Zimbra Collaboration Suite includes the mail server. Thanks!
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:25:29AM -0600, lee wrote: > On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:50:28 -0500 > "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Parts break, > > redundancy kicks in, change the dead part, still the same computer. > > If so, you can do that with three cheap i386 boxes. > > Let's say you have a router/firewall/proxy, a fileserver, a mailserver > and a webserver. How do you make it so that each of these has a backup > server that automatically and seamlessly kicks in when needed? Each "box" is two boxes, running OpenBSD with CARP :) Of course, they're all the exact same hardware and you have a backup tape for each type of box. When one box dies, you "restore" it to an off-the-shelf replacement and get its mate redundant again. Then you fix the broken box. That's where I got the "three" from: two hot-redundant (i.e. slowly wearing out) and one cold-spare (slowly ageing out). In the scenario with multiple pairs of hot-redundant, I've suggested that they could share the cold-spare. At some point of scale, you go with something with LPARs and have fewer overall boxes and higher reliability. Where that point is, I don't know. I'll never have the money even for something like the IBM p5-570 (up to 16 processors, up to 64 micro-partitions). The last time I looked, the shared cost of a micro-partition was about $400 each but gave you the performance of a $1000 server. With LPARs, you don't have to dedicate 2 to redundancy, since the hardware/firmware takes care of that at a lower level. Of course, their $400 per partition/server likely doesn't cover the service contract. :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sunday 09 November 2008 17:53, Napoleon wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > In a similar vein: contrary to Unix lore, most C apps are horribly > > non-portable, whereas COBOL apps are *very* portable. > > Contrary to popular lore, COBOL apps are typically no more portable than > C apps. Yeah, I've had plenty break when moved to a different COBOL runtime. The UNIX standard make a *lot* of requirements for portable C programs. Far beyond what is takes for gcc to accept the program OR what it takes Linux or BSD to run it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp670yF8AQwW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On 11/09/08 17:53, Napoleon wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/09/08 06:58, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/08/08 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] But, would you want a render farm made up of SGI workstations from the 1990s? The state of the art is still moving pretty fast. Even for mainframes, the shelf-life of what is generally considered useful for a lot of applications is less than 6 years. Unless: (a) your workload growth is relatively static, or (b) you purchased excess capacity and are growing into it. An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, so that it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to maintain the old one. True. But the software running on the thing is 45 year-old-COBOL. :) Possibly the same binaries! In a similar vein: contrary to Unix lore, most C apps are horribly non-portable, whereas COBOL apps are *very* portable. Contrary to popular lore, COBOL apps are typically no more portable than C apps. For more than a decade, small-systems COBOL vendors have made compilers that compile and run VSII/CICS/DB2 apps on both *ix and Windows. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i386 to amd64
On Sunday 09 November 2008 19:04, Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: > Sven Joachim escreveu: > Setting up ia32-libs-tools (11) ... > mangle: ia32-libs-tools/mangle.cc:231: size_t > PkgDepAnd::parse(std::string&, size_t): Assertion `is_name(s[offset])' > failed. > /var/lib/dpkg/info/ia32-libs-tools.postinst: line 23: 7098 Done > cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages >7099 Aborted | /usr/lib/ia32-libs-tools/mangle > --index > /dev/null > dpkg: error processing ia32-libs-tools (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134 Looks like mangle doesn't like the (a) the system it is running on or (b) your lists of Packages. I'm betting (b). Are you using any apt "deb" sources other than the official repositories? It's possible one of them is using a package name that doesn't fit mangle's expectations. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpKB0r8N6Kdb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Accept only "smtp.gmail.com" and "pop.gmail.com", how i could do that?
On Sunday 09 November 2008 11:37, Manuel Gómez wrote: > I allow the IPs (pop.gmail.com, smtp,gmail.com) but the connection doesn't > works, what i could allow? http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Basically, I'm not sure you've given me enough information to diagnose and suggest a solution to your problem. How do you know your firewall is allowing you do connect to those IPs on those ports: telnet, nc, just guessing from the configuration, or other? How have you configured icedove? What is the message or behavior that make you think "the connection doesn't works"? > Thank you very much, I appreciate your help. I need help, so i have posted > in several mailing lists, i just wish that i could be forgiven. You can, but only if you actually do better in the future. Make sure the post is topical to the list. debian-user is only appropriate if the post is Debian related, ubuntu-users is only appropriate if the post is Ubuntu related. I assume you've been having this problem on both Debian and Ubuntu, right? shorewall-users is only appropriate if the post is shorewall related. I guess you use shorewall for your firewall, right? snort-users is only appropriate if the post is snort-related. I suppose you might be using snort as part of your firewall solution, right? Cross posting to many lists in genally frowned upon, though. If would have better ettiquete to determine on your own if snort or shorewall was at fault and post to just that list. If you couldn't determine which (if either) of those was at fault then only send to the OS list (debian-user or ubuntu-users) and let them diagnose with you and possibly refer to you one of the other lists, with more information to provide to them. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpW7NAAdv3bI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: i386 to amd64
Sven Joachim escreveu: On 2008-11-09 03:51 +0100, Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: Sven Joachim escreveu: On 2008-11-08 17:06 +0100, Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: Is there any way to build amd64 packages from i386? There is probably more than one way, but assuming you have a 64-bit processor (if not, why would you want to build packages for it?), the easiest solution is to boot with a 64-bit kernel and set up an amd64 chroot for that task with "debootstrap --arch=amd64 --variant=buildd". You can also set up pbuilder for amd64, look for the --debootstrapopts option in the pbuilder manpage. Ahmmm... Thanks for helping me, but I got a little bit confused by this explanation. I got a package: package_0.0.0_i386.deb And I want: samepackage_0.0.0_amd64.deb Okay, it seems I completely misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to build packages from source. I know I can install i386 packages by the --force-architecture parameter, but what I really need is to build one. I'm used to build my own packages with checkinstall, but they're not providing me the source for this specific package. Here is a way to just hack the architecture in foobar_i386.deb, with short comments: # We want the files in the control.tar.gz to be owned by root, so let's # pretend we are root; apt-get install fakeroot if necessary. fakeroot /bin/bash # extract the files in the control archive into a scratch dir mkdir scratch ar x foobar_i386.deb control.tar.gz tar -C scratch -xzvf control.tar.gz # change the Architecture in the control file sed -i -e 's/Architecture: i386/Architecture: amd64/' scratch/control # regenerate the control archive GZIP=-9n tar -C scratch -cvzf control.tar.gz . # replace the control archive in the .deb ar rav debian-binary foobar_i386.deb control.tar.gz # clean up and exit the fakeroot shell: rm -rf scratch control.tar.gz exit That looks risky, but thanks for the point. This is a really dirty hack, though. A better framework for converting i386 packages is developed in the ia32-libs-tools package, available in unstable¹. Well, then maybe you can help me out here: vinicius:/home/vinicius# apt-get install ia32-libs-tools Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done ia32-libs-tools is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up ia32-libs-tools (11) ... mangle: ia32-libs-tools/mangle.cc:231: size_t PkgDepAnd::parse(std::string&, size_t): Assertion `is_name(s[offset])' failed. /var/lib/dpkg/info/ia32-libs-tools.postinst: line 23: 7098 Done cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages 7099 Aborted | /usr/lib/ia32-libs-tools/mangle --index > /dev/null dpkg: error processing ia32-libs-tools (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134 Errors were encountered while processing: ia32-libs-tools E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [...] I can't even read this bug. =) Thanks! Vinicius Andre Massuchetto http://vinicius.soylocoporti.org.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/09/08 06:58, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/08/08 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] But, would you want a render farm made up of SGI workstations from the 1990s? The state of the art is still moving pretty fast. Even for mainframes, the shelf-life of what is generally considered useful for a lot of applications is less than 6 years. Unless: (a) your workload growth is relatively static, or (b) you purchased excess capacity and are growing into it. An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, so that it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to maintain the old one. True. But the software running on the thing is 45 year-old-COBOL. :) Possibly the same binaries! In a similar vein: contrary to Unix lore, most C apps are horribly non-portable, whereas COBOL apps are *very* portable. Contrary to popular lore, COBOL apps are typically no more portable than C apps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?
Doug Mitton wrote: > On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:30 +0100, you wrote: > >> Doug Mitton wrote: >>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:00:15 +0100, you wrote: >>> >>> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Doug Mitton wrote: > Hi All; > > I'm looking to see if anyone can confirm a change on the Walmart Photo > web site. It appears it has gone "Internet Explorer" only as I can't > get Konqueror or Mozilla on Linux (or WinXP) to work. The clerk at the > store says she is processing online orders. It was working fine for the > last couple of years and up to 1 month ago. The "look" is now different > also. > > I submit photos regularly online then go to the store and pick them up. > My main use of this though is to send pictures to my parents in another > province who do not have a computer. > > Sometime in the last month it appears they have started using a new > "shopping cart" vendor. Regardless, the new system allows uploading, > editting and the like BUT as soon as you select photos to send to the > "Shopping Cart" the list is empty and the message states "you must > select size, finish and quantity prior to submitting your order". > > As you might expect there is no "Contact Us" link on the photo site or > the shopping-cart software. I have sent a message via the main Walmart > page but it is a Mon-Fri only system. > > Regardless, do any other Linux using Canadians use this service, is it > working for you and if so, what browser are you using? > > TIA! > what happens when you change your browser identification to IE? >>> Hhmmm ... I thought I had that already selected, BUT apparently not. >>> Once selected I find that I get an: >>> >>> Server Error in '/' Application. >>> Runtime Error >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a >>> custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the >>> application's configuration tag to point to a custom >>> error page URL. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> defaultRedirect="mycustompage.htm"/> >>> >>> >>> >>> This doesn't look good at all! >>> >> h. I would say you either crashed one of the servers or at least >> confused it?? See what happens if you get an email response from them, >> maybe send another to them with the error message pasted into the email, >> Im curious to see their response. >> >> Walmart IT is definately pro linux, surprises me they would stoop to >> this level, maybe the photo portion of the site is outsourced who knows? >> >> steve > > Thats interesting, I had never read that Walmart IT is Pro-linux! > But, I'm sure the check-out portion at least is out-sourced(?). > > I'll report back with whatever I get in response. > > Thanks! yeah they got in on that whole ms/novell thing a couple years ago with a sles deal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:30 +0100, you wrote: >Doug Mitton wrote: >> On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:00:15 +0100, you wrote: >> >> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Doug Mitton wrote: Hi All; I'm looking to see if anyone can confirm a change on the Walmart Photo web site. It appears it has gone "Internet Explorer" only as I can't get Konqueror or Mozilla on Linux (or WinXP) to work. The clerk at the store says she is processing online orders. It was working fine for the last couple of years and up to 1 month ago. The "look" is now different also. I submit photos regularly online then go to the store and pick them up. My main use of this though is to send pictures to my parents in another province who do not have a computer. Sometime in the last month it appears they have started using a new "shopping cart" vendor. Regardless, the new system allows uploading, editting and the like BUT as soon as you select photos to send to the "Shopping Cart" the list is empty and the message states "you must select size, finish and quantity prior to submitting your order". As you might expect there is no "Contact Us" link on the photo site or the shopping-cart software. I have sent a message via the main Walmart page but it is a Mon-Fri only system. Regardless, do any other Linux using Canadians use this service, is it working for you and if so, what browser are you using? TIA! >>> what happens when you change your browser identification to IE? >> >> Hhmmm ... I thought I had that already selected, BUT apparently not. >> Once selected I find that I get an: >> >> Server Error in '/' Application. >> Runtime Error >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a >> custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the >> application's configuration tag to point to a custom >> error page URL. >> >> >> >> >> >> > defaultRedirect="mycustompage.htm"/> >> >> >> >> This doesn't look good at all! >> > >h. I would say you either crashed one of the servers or at least >confused it?? See what happens if you get an email response from them, >maybe send another to them with the error message pasted into the email, >Im curious to see their response. > >Walmart IT is definately pro linux, surprises me they would stoop to >this level, maybe the photo portion of the site is outsourced who knows? > >steve Thats interesting, I had never read that Walmart IT is Pro-linux! But, I'm sure the check-out portion at least is out-sourced(?). I'll report back with whatever I get in response. Thanks! -- - http://www3.sympatico.ca/dmitton SPAM Reduction: Remove ".invalid" from my domain. - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem connecting to pppoe server in etch
Hi, I connect to my ISP using pppoe. This works fine in Fedora core 4, which has pppd version 2.4.2, and rp-pppoe version 3.5. I recently installed Debian 4.0r5, which has pppd version 2.4.4 and rp-pppoe version 3.8. I tried to setup the connection using pppoeconf, but it could not find any access concentrators. So I setup /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider and /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/network/interfaces by hand. When I try to connect, ppp0 gets brought up (but has no assigned IP), and after a while, the following error appears in syslog: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests I tried changing the timeout, lcp-echo-interval, and lcp-echo-failure, without success. After some googling, I found some reports of things not working with ppp-2.4.3 that previously worked with ppp-2.4.2. I am considering trying to downgrade ppp on my new debian system, but I'm not sure how to do it properly. Debian's package directory doesn't have any versions of ppp older than 2.4.4. I could compile an older version by hand, but I'm a bit afraid that I'll break something if I over-write Debian's ppp with an older version that doesn't have Debian's patches. Any suggestions? thank you, -Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Am 2008-11-09 06:04:13, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > >Am 2008-11-07 18:43:45, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty: > >>What brand board would you use for a reliable box? > > > >Tyan > > Why? And what is the difference with Asus? ...becaue Tyan is manufacturing "professionel" ones ...and no cheap consumer mainboards. Tyan give you performance and reability total. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
2008/11/10 David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Testing breaks less often than Unstable. But when it breaks, it takes a >> long time for things to get rectified. Sometimes this could be days and >> it could be months at times. i use testing on all my boxes and when i have an issues with a broken package i can always add the sid repo to get the package i want and then comment them back after i've finished. this has helped me solve dependency and other issues while keeping on testing. For me testing has been really stable since early september. the last big issue i had was with the proprietary ATI driver and my xserver on a desktop at home. i've even been running 2.6.27 on a laptop to get wireless without issue. while it may not be debian stable yet, lenny is nearly there. > I did have some issues with the nvidia driver, it got broken, and I > reverted to the nv driver for a while. That took a while to fix. > Eventually I decided that I had waited too long for new drivers to > show up in testing, so I decided to enable the unstable repository, > and installed X and nvidia from that. A few packages from unstable in > an otherwise testing level distribution is an option and in this case > it worked. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:24:23PM -0800, Robert Caruso wrote: > [...] > I have ceaselessly attempted to > unsuscribe about 50 times and it is not working. You really must learn how to spell "unsubscribe" ;) > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cheers, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Sunday 09 November 2008 14:24, Robert Caruso wrote: > Would someone please help me. I own a large corporation and was somehow > joined to this list not by my own doing. I have ceaselessly attempted to > unsuscribe about 50 times and it is not working. I get over 50 e-mails a > day from this group and as you can imagine it's driving me over the edge. > Please someone help me. Thanks. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subglitches I've already requested [EMAIL PROTECTED] be unsubscribed from the list. Could you be subscribed under a different email address? If so, you should try unsubscribing them. IIRC, you also have to confirm unsubscription, by receiving and replying to an email from the subscribed address. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpgkmGoVcF2z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: USB drive not ready
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 18:13:21 +, Virgo Pärna wrote: > On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:34:21 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > > modprobe -r ehci_hcd > > > > That did not work for me. > > > You could also try if the 2.6.27 kernel improves the situation. (What > > you report in your other mail indicates that WinXP can operate the > > > > I quess, I can try this too. I'll also try the camera with one of the > linux computers > at work, that runs Etch - to confirm, that it still works with Etch. Just in > case - lspci > for USB > > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI > Controller (rev 03) That looks more and more like you found a regression in the USB driver. If you can reproduce the problem with an upstream 2.6.27 kernel then it is probably best to contact the kernel mailing list directly about this. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Testing breaks less often than Unstable. But when it breaks, it takes a > long time for things to get rectified. Sometimes this could be days and > it could be months at times. I did have some issues with the nvidia driver, it got broken, and I reverted to the nv driver for a while. That took a while to fix. Eventually I decided that I had waited too long for new drivers to show up in testing, so I decided to enable the unstable repository, and installed X and nvidia from that. A few packages from unstable in an otherwise testing level distribution is an option and in this case it worked. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:56:51 + Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stable is rock solid. It does not break. > > Testing breaks less often than Unstable. But when it breaks, it > takes a long time for things to get rectified. Sometimes this could > be days and it could be months at times. > > Unstable changes a lot, and it can break at any point. However, fixes > get rectified in many occasions in a couple of days and it always has > the latest releases of software packaged for Debian. > > Which in my albeit limited experience, seems to be a pretty accurate > set of definitions. Hmm. So what's your experience with unstable? Does it break often? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:35 PM, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When you run testing (and keep it updated), you don't need to worry > about making the leap from one stable release to the next. That was I ran etch when it was still testing, then kept it at testing for sometime until I got a new box, and put Ubuntu on that. I also have a sidux set up to run in a Virtual box. I don't recall too many problems with etch, even when it was testing, except that the xfree86 to xorg conversion was a bit hairy. > the reason for me to run testing on mailservers at work, rather than > stable. I also ran my own mail server (postfix) on etch and lenny for some time. > The only problem I had with testing was when they switched from > XFree to Xorg a few years ago and the fonts were messed up after an I was helping to update a friends (old) p3 box that ran an old version of etch, needed a bunch of security updates and kde and some other stuff installed last night. I got all the updates installed except for two things - open office (not sure he'll be using it, he wanted squid set up primarily) and there were some errors about not being able to access or write some font directories. Not sure how significant they are, and I don't have the machine in front of me or easy access to it. But as I recall, there wasn't too big of a headache going from etch (stable) to lenny (testing) after April 2007 when Etch became stable. But I waited a bit before switching to lenny, and think it is a good idea while all the initial stuff gets to quiet down a bit following an initial plunge into a new testing release. > GH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iceweasel www.flyordie.hu is unworkable
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:27:06 +0100 "Péter Varga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Welcome > > Im using debian about 2 years ago and iceweasel is my favourite > browser, i would like to make iceweasel right. > I usually play gomoku , billiard an online page the page is this > http://www.flyordie.hu or works this too http://www.flyordie.com i > can to log in to page but the rooms isnt appear :( i cant to play the > games. i think that debian version is not problem because other web > browsers is work in this page.Iceape is work without any problems in > my favourite game page. > > im using debian lenny-kde version > > thank you for that received my mail > > have a nice day First check if Java is working: http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp You may also contact me off-list in Hungarian. -- Nyizsa. http://nyizsa.uni.cc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Sun November 9 2008 12:24:23 pm Robert Caruso wrote: > Would someone please help me. I own a large corporation and was somehow > joined to this list not by my own doing. I have ceaselessly attempted to > unsuscribe about 50 times and it is not working. I get over 50 e-mails a > day from this group and as you can imagine it's driving me over the edge. > Please someone help me. Thanks. When you sign up for the list you need to confirm your e-mail address before you are added to the list. Likewise when you unsubscribe. you need to address your unsubscribe request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe, and when you get the confirmation just reply to it. A web interface is also available here.. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe Are the unsubscribe confirmation requests landing in your spam area by chance, have you received and replied to it? Are you subscribed to debian-user or debian-user-digest? If you still can't unsubscribe try mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'm sure you'll get help there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:56:31 -0600, lee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:56:06 +1300 > Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My understanding is that "stable" means unchanging. > > See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1. That would > indicate that "stable" doesn't mean "unchanging" but "likely to not > have as many bugs" as testing or unstable. Section 3.1.5 of the page you quoted says: Stable is rock solid. It does not break. Testing breaks less often than Unstable. But when it breaks, it takes a long time for things to get rectified. Sometimes this could be days and it could be months at times. Unstable changes a lot, and it can break at any point. However, fixes get rectified in many occasions in a couple of days and it always has the latest releases of software packaged for Debian. Which in my albeit limited experience, seems to be a pretty accurate set of definitions. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Debian on the NSLU2: http://bobcox.com/slug/ Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Sunday 09 November 2008 21:24:23 Robert Caruso wrote: > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Software For Book Writing
Would someone please help me. I own a large corporation and was somehow joined to this list not by my own doing. I have ceaselessly attempted to unsuscribe about 50 times and it is not working. I get over 50 e-mails a day from this group and as you can imagine it's driving me over the edge. Please someone help me. Thanks. Robert Caruso President/Owner Mitigation Online Consultants 818-501-1520 Main Office 818-501-1524 Direct Office 310-709-7157 Cell 310-997-3677 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mitigationonlineconsultants.com AIM: robmodelinla -Original Message- From: Chris Bannister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:57 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Software For Book Writing On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:30:07PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I think you can use a versioning system to merge latex files (since > they are plain text) Editing a LaTex file is straight-forward for > anybody with half a clue. That is a bit unfair. TeX/LaTeX is not that straight-forward and has a rather steep learning curve. (Still wondering how to put "[1]" (without the quotes) in a plain text TeX file.) If you need to buy a book, or peruse copious amounts of documentation to achieve what seems like a simple task, it is not straight-forward. If I was going to write a book I would use LaTeX though, probably buying a book (or two) and perusing copious amounts of documentation in the process. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gnome file type association
Hi,
I can't set file associations for my Gnome any more. Here is how I did:
. Open the ("Nautilus") file browser.
. Left click on a file to change the association.
. Select "Open With" then select "Other Application".
. Select the program to open the file.
It works, but the problem is that the file type association is not
remembered. The "Open With" & "Open With Other" is still empty.
When double click on any file of that type, I still get can't open file
error.
Also, there is no such checkbox that says "Remember application
association for this type of file" any more.
I also tried the method illustrated in
How to change File type associations in Gnome
http://linuxtuts.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-change-file-type-
associations-in.html
I.e., left click on a file -> properties -> "open with" tab.
The problem for me is that, Having select the application, the "open with"
tab is still empty.
Moreover, the file type info in the "open with" tab is wrong. What I tried
to associate is Word.doc files. Mine shown
and others of type "Unknown"
as opposed to some meaningful file type, e.g., highlighted in
http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/03/ubuntu-linux-file-associations/
I checked, the MIME type setting is OK in my system:
$ gnomevfs-info test.doc | grep type
MIME type : application/msword
but the file type is not, as explained above.
Further, how come the "open with" list in my Gnome is rather pity,
only 6 or 7 entries, not reflecting the applications available in
my system and Gnome menus at all.
So, in brief, my questions are:
- how to config Gnome to know a file type.
- how to association the file type with applications in Gnome.
- how to have Gnome provide all the applications in the "open with"
selection.
Thank
PS. the reason for all these mess -- I installed CodeWeavers
CrossOver Linux Professional ver 7.1.0 downloaded from Lame Duck's
Free Download Day (goolge "CrossOver Pro 7.1.0 Linux Lame Duck Free
Download Day"), and all my previous file associations are gone,
because,
The new CrossOver requires each user on the system to install and
run the Windows software of his or her choosing. The File
associations from CrossOver configuration is not available in
Nautilus. I suspect that the reason might be that "system mime
definitions take precedence over user settings"
http://74.125.95.104/linux?q=cache:S0HRSSXH8nsJ:www.ale.org/pipermail/
ale/2007-September/042453.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4
Please help.
Thank
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Re: Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?
Doug Mitton wrote: > On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:00:15 +0100, you wrote: > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Doug Mitton wrote: >>> Hi All; >>> >>> I'm looking to see if anyone can confirm a change on the Walmart Photo >>> web site. It appears it has gone "Internet Explorer" only as I can't >>> get Konqueror or Mozilla on Linux (or WinXP) to work. The clerk at the >>> store says she is processing online orders. It was working fine for the >>> last couple of years and up to 1 month ago. The "look" is now different >>> also. >>> >>> I submit photos regularly online then go to the store and pick them up. >>> My main use of this though is to send pictures to my parents in another >>> province who do not have a computer. >>> >>> Sometime in the last month it appears they have started using a new >>> "shopping cart" vendor. Regardless, the new system allows uploading, >>> editting and the like BUT as soon as you select photos to send to the >>> "Shopping Cart" the list is empty and the message states "you must >>> select size, finish and quantity prior to submitting your order". >>> >>> As you might expect there is no "Contact Us" link on the photo site or >>> the shopping-cart software. I have sent a message via the main Walmart >>> page but it is a Mon-Fri only system. >>> >>> Regardless, do any other Linux using Canadians use this service, is it >>> working for you and if so, what browser are you using? >>> >>> TIA! >>> >> what happens when you change your browser identification to IE? > > Hhmmm ... I thought I had that already selected, BUT apparently not. > Once selected I find that I get an: > > Server Error in '/' Application. > Runtime Error > > > > > > > > > > > Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a > custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the > application's configuration tag to point to a custom > error page URL. > > > > > > defaultRedirect="mycustompage.htm"/> > > > > This doesn't look good at all! > h. I would say you either crashed one of the servers or at least confused it?? See what happens if you get an email response from them, maybe send another to them with the error message pasted into the email, Im curious to see their response. Walmart IT is definately pro linux, surprises me they would stoop to this level, maybe the photo portion of the site is outsourced who knows? steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On 11/09/08 10:25, lee wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:50:28 -0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Parts break, redundancy kicks in, change the dead part, still the same computer. If so, you can do that with three cheap i386 boxes. Let's say you have a router/firewall/proxy, a fileserver, a mailserver and a webserver. How do you make it so that each of these has a backup server that automatically and seamlessly kicks in when needed? With a load balancer, a heartbeat monitor and shared disks. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtual PC
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:40:19 +0100, you wrote: References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >pch wrote: >> Hello, >> Can anyone recommend a good virtual machine, equivalent MS Virtual PC. >> > >I don't know MS Virtual PC, but I use the VMware server with good >result. The only complaint: VMware is slow to adapt their *closed* >source to new kernels, e.g. server 1.0.7 to linux 2.6.27. > >Hugo I use VMWare Player and have the same "complaint". I typically keep my kernel updated to the current release version BUT this time I opted to stay at .26 due to VMWare compatibility issues. [OT] Also, I am starting to have issues with the new kernel release system where there is no distinct release (even minor) and development (odd minor) streams. In the new 2.6.x series it breaks WAY too often. I like to stay updated for new drivers and security/reliability patches but the "breaking" issue is becoming a problem. -- - http://www3.sympatico.ca/dmitton SPAM Reduction: Remove ".invalid" from my domain. - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB drive not ready
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:34:21 +0100, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > modprobe -r ehci_hcd > That did not work for me. > You could also try if the 2.6.27 kernel improves the situation. (What > you report in your other mail indicates that WinXP can operate the > I quess, I can try this too. I'll also try the camera with one of the linux computers at work, that runs Etch - to confirm, that it still works with Etch. Just in case - lspci for USB 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) -- Virgo Pärna [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Kicker autohide stopped working
Jonathan Kaye wrote: > Hi all, > I'm running Debian Lenny (2.6.26-1) with a KDE desktop using Kicker > 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5. After a recent upgrade (AFAIK not directly related to > KDE) my favourite KDE feature, the Kicker autohide) suddenly stopped > working. I have repeatedly used the Config Panel applet to set Hide > automatically (after 3 sec) but I can remove my cursor for 2 hours and the > panel is still not hidden. Any hints about how to fix this or at least a > way to diagnose the problem? > > Thanks for any help. > Cheers, > Jonathan Some suggestions... Create a new user and see if the problem exists for that user as well? move you .kde to .kde_date and see if the problem persists? raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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KDE Kicker autohide stopped working
Hi all, I'm running Debian Lenny (2.6.26-1) with a KDE desktop using Kicker 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5. After a recent upgrade (AFAIK not directly related to KDE) my favourite KDE feature, the Kicker autohide) suddenly stopped working. I have repeatedly used the Config Panel applet to set Hide automatically (after 3 sec) but I can remove my cursor for 2 hours and the panel is still not hidden. Any hints about how to fix this or at least a way to diagnose the problem? Thanks for any help. Cheers, Jonathan -- Registerd Linux user #445917 at http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:00:15 +0100, you wrote: References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Doug Mitton wrote: >> >> Hi All; >> >> I'm looking to see if anyone can confirm a change on the Walmart Photo >> web site. It appears it has gone "Internet Explorer" only as I can't >> get Konqueror or Mozilla on Linux (or WinXP) to work. The clerk at the >> store says she is processing online orders. It was working fine for the >> last couple of years and up to 1 month ago. The "look" is now different >> also. >> >> I submit photos regularly online then go to the store and pick them up. >> My main use of this though is to send pictures to my parents in another >> province who do not have a computer. >> >> Sometime in the last month it appears they have started using a new >> "shopping cart" vendor. Regardless, the new system allows uploading, >> editting and the like BUT as soon as you select photos to send to the >> "Shopping Cart" the list is empty and the message states "you must >> select size, finish and quantity prior to submitting your order". >> >> As you might expect there is no "Contact Us" link on the photo site or >> the shopping-cart software. I have sent a message via the main Walmart >> page but it is a Mon-Fri only system. >> >> Regardless, do any other Linux using Canadians use this service, is it >> working for you and if so, what browser are you using? >> >> TIA! >> > >what happens when you change your browser identification to IE? Hhmmm ... I thought I had that already selected, BUT apparently not. Once selected I find that I get an: Server Error in '/' Application. Runtime Error Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL. This doesn't look good at all! -- - http://www3.sympatico.ca/dmitton SPAM Reduction: Remove ".invalid" from my domain. - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Accept only "smtp.gmail.com" and "pop.gmail.com", how i could do that?
Hi, i would like accept only smtps and pop3s on my OS and i only want to know how accept "smtp.gmail.com" and "pop.gmail.com" in my icedove. I allow the IPs (pop.gmail.com, smtp,gmail.com) but the connection doesn't works, what i could allow? I know how to use my firewall (it works allowing all smtps and pop3s connections), so i would like to learn how allow specifically these connections. Thank you very much, I appreciate your help. I need help, so i have posted in several mailing lists, i just wish that i could be forgiven.
Re: Virtual PC
pch wrote: Hello, Can anyone recommend a good virtual machine, equivalent MS Virtual PC. I don't know MS Virtual PC, but I use the VMware server with good result. The only complaint: VMware is slow to adapt their *closed* source to new kernels, e.g. server 1.0.7 to linux 2.6.27. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:56:06 +1300 Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My understanding is that "stable" means unchanging. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1. That would indicate that "stable" doesn't mean "unchanging" but "likely to not have as many bugs" as testing or unstable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?
Doug Mitton wrote: > > Hi All; > > I'm looking to see if anyone can confirm a change on the Walmart Photo > web site. It appears it has gone "Internet Explorer" only as I can't > get Konqueror or Mozilla on Linux (or WinXP) to work. The clerk at the > store says she is processing online orders. It was working fine for the > last couple of years and up to 1 month ago. The "look" is now different > also. > > I submit photos regularly online then go to the store and pick them up. > My main use of this though is to send pictures to my parents in another > province who do not have a computer. > > Sometime in the last month it appears they have started using a new > "shopping cart" vendor. Regardless, the new system allows uploading, > editting and the like BUT as soon as you select photos to send to the > "Shopping Cart" the list is empty and the message states "you must > select size, finish and quantity prior to submitting your order". > > As you might expect there is no "Contact Us" link on the photo site or > the shopping-cart software. I have sent a message via the main Walmart > page but it is a Mon-Fri only system. > > Regardless, do any other Linux using Canadians use this service, is it > working for you and if so, what browser are you using? > > TIA! > what happens when you change your browser identification to IE? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
iceweasel www.flyordie.hu is unworkable
Welcome Im using debian about 2 years ago and iceweasel is my favourite browser, i would like to make iceweasel right. I usually play gomoku , billiard an online page the page is this http://www.flyordie.hu or works this too http://www.flyordie.com i can to log in to page but the rooms isnt appear :( i cant to play the games. i think that debian version is not problem because other web browsers is work in this page.Iceape is work without any problems in my favourite game page. im using debian lenny-kde version thank you for that received my mail have a nice day
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:18:53 -0600 Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, I'm not just prepared to be wrong about render servers, I'm > prepared to be wrong about everything. :) Well, the numbers are arbitrary. If you assume that "production" takes place in some kind of company, the lifetime of the hardware depends on when the company either wants to or is forced to replace it. That doesn't have to do very much with how long the hardware is not broken. It is being expected that it isn't and doesn't become broken. If it is broken or becomes broken before it's replaced, don't buy it again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Etch and ATI Xpress 200G video support?
I have a Compaq desktop whose motherboard has an intergrated ATI Tech RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G series] video card. I have pretty decent video support now under Ubuntu. If I were to switch to Debian, what are people's experiences with video support for this card? This is a home PC, so I don't plan to invest any money for better/different video. The card works fine. Thanks for your insights. Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:50:28 -0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Parts break, > redundancy kicks in, change the dead part, still the same computer. > If so, you can do that with three cheap i386 boxes. Let's say you have a router/firewall/proxy, a fileserver, a mailserver and a webserver. How do you make it so that each of these has a backup server that automatically and seamlessly kicks in when needed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Canadian Walmart Photo Centre Problems?
Hi All; I'm looking to see if anyone can confirm a change on the Walmart Photo web site. It appears it has gone "Internet Explorer" only as I can't get Konqueror or Mozilla on Linux (or WinXP) to work. The clerk at the store says she is processing online orders. It was working fine for the last couple of years and up to 1 month ago. The "look" is now different also. I submit photos regularly online then go to the store and pick them up. My main use of this though is to send pictures to my parents in another province who do not have a computer. Sometime in the last month it appears they have started using a new "shopping cart" vendor. Regardless, the new system allows uploading, editting and the like BUT as soon as you select photos to send to the "Shopping Cart" the list is empty and the message states "you must select size, finish and quantity prior to submitting your order". As you might expect there is no "Contact Us" link on the photo site or the shopping-cart software. I have sent a message via the main Walmart page but it is a Mon-Fri only system. Regardless, do any other Linux using Canadians use this service, is it working for you and if so, what browser are you using? TIA! -- Doug Mitton - Linux Counter #50401 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:32:14 -0600 Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Mark, > Does anybody sleep around here? Yes, just not at the same time as you, though. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:23:09 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, > Nowadays, probably. Back in the day (10-15-20 years ago), vendors > kept large stocks of old parts, and FEs could actually repair this > stuff. Don't get me started; FEs seem to be little more than board changers these days. :-( -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" It belongs to them, let's give it back Beds Are Burning - Midnight Oil signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:57:10AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:30:07PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > I think you can use a versioning system to merge latex files (since they > > are plain text) Editing a LaTex file is straight-forward for anybody > > with half a clue. > > That is a bit unfair. TeX/LaTeX is not that straight-forward and has a > rather steep learning curve. (Still wondering how to put "[1]" (without > the quotes) in a plain text TeX file.) I said "editing", as in changing a sentence here or there. Sure, writing it from scratch is difficult at first but just altering an existing file is simple. Try doing that with ODF if you don't have OO. (or .doc if you don't have OO or Word). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:30:07PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I think you can use a versioning system to merge latex files (since they > are plain text) Editing a LaTex file is straight-forward for anybody > with half a clue. That is a bit unfair. TeX/LaTeX is not that straight-forward and has a rather steep learning curve. (Still wondering how to put "[1]" (without the quotes) in a plain text TeX file.) If you need to buy a book, or peruse copious amounts of documentation to achieve what seems like a simple task, it is not straight-forward. If I was going to write a book I would use LaTeX though, probably buying a book (or two) and perusing copious amounts of documentation in the process. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble with DRI
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:41:38PM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > (II) [drm] DRM open master succeeded. > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] Using the DRM lock SAREA also for drawables. > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] framebuffer handle = 0xd000 > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 1 reserved context for kernel > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] installed DRM signal handler > (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x1f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0x5833; Card > 0x1002/0x4150] > (II) RADEON(0): [agp] 8192 kB allocated with handle 0x0001 > (II) RADEON(0): [agp] ring handle = 0x > (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] Could not map ring > (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. > (II) RADEON(0): [agp] You may want to make sure the agpgart kernel ^^ > module is loaded before the radeon kernel module. This could be a strong clue. A google search on "(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] Could not map ring" may produce something helpful. > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xf8b66000 at 0xb7fa6000 > (II) RADEON(0): [drm] Closed DRM master. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:15:53AM -0600, Ramasubramanian Ramesh wrote: > All, > > I run Etch+backports at my home gateway/file server. Lately, I find > that many packages are too old in Etch for my needs. I am thinking of > switching to Lenny. While Lenny is not as stable as Etch, I am not sure > how much difference there is, in terms of stability. I am not worried By definition: "Etch+backports" is not stable. Please see my other post in this thread for the meaning of "stable" in regards to how it is used in Debian. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching from Etch to Lenny - help me assess the risk.
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:53:59PM +0200, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote: > I have exactly the same opinion as Alan. As I wrote in another thread > about debian versions, Lenny (or testing in general) is so stable that > personally, having never run 'Stable', I can't imagine how much more > stable could a distribution be. My understanding is that "stable" means unchanging. That is "stable" doesn't change (except for security updates) whereas "unstable" (or Sid) is constantly changing -- hence unstable. It does NOT mean "buggy", "likely to crash" ... etc! -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtual PC
pch wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone recommend a good virtual machine, equivalent MS Virtual PC. > > Pawel > > Heh, heh, heh... :) Uh, go with virtualbox. There are two versions, the open source and the closed source. The closed source is free to use for personal use, but not "Debian Free". Xen works, but requires a commitment from you. More Work. In the early stages. VMWare has a fair one. The virtual server version is free as in beer, with limitations. The full version, and the extras cost money. They offer support. Not free. All closed source. QEMU can do a lot. I'm not too familiar with it. For DOS programs, try DOSbox. What did I forget?[0] Go with virtualbox. It is pretty easy to use and setup, easier I think than VirtualPC. There is a Linux edition and a Windows edition, both in version 32-bit for 32-bit guests, and 64-bit for 32 and 64-bit guests. Try Xen later. Mark Allums 0. kvn? what else? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Does anybody sleep around here? Mark Allums Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/09/08 06:41, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:23:10 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, Surely, in part at least, that's rocketing price is to coerce the customer into upgrading to newer hardware. IOW, the maintenance cost increase is artificial. Nowadays, probably. Back in the day (10-15-20 years ago), vendors kept large stocks of old parts, and FEs could actually repair this stuff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtual PC
Try kvm,you will like it. as fast as i can see 2008/11/9 pch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello, > Can anyone recommend a good virtual machine, equivalent MS Virtual PC. > > Pawel > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Best Regards kinwin
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On 11/09/08 06:41, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:23:10 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, Surely, in part at least, that's rocketing price is to coerce the customer into upgrading to newer hardware. IOW, the maintenance cost increase is artificial. Nowadays, probably. Back in the day (10-15-20 years ago), vendors kept large stocks of old parts, and FEs could actually repair this stuff. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On 11/09/08 06:58, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/08/08 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] But, would you want a render farm made up of SGI workstations from the 1990s? The state of the art is still moving pretty fast. Even for mainframes, the shelf-life of what is generally considered useful for a lot of applications is less than 6 years. Unless: (a) your workload growth is relatively static, or (b) you purchased excess capacity and are growing into it. An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, so that it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to maintain the old one. True. But the software running on the thing is 45 year-old-COBOL. :) Possibly the same binaries! In a similar vein: contrary to Unix lore, most C apps are horribly non-portable, whereas COBOL apps are *very* portable. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
replying to my own post: lest this be incendiary, note the weasel words: "if it were up to me" Also, I'm not just prepared to be wrong about render servers, I'm prepared to be wrong about everything. :) Mark Allums Mark Allums wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:39:43PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Asus is fantastic! for a consumer-level board, especially their enthusiast line. However, do not buy Asus for production work. For workstations, servers, and non-consumer-grade desktops, Asus is subpar, as are many other popular brands. The goal is not "high availability". What brand board would you use for a reliable box? You would not agree with that statement. I wonder what the criteria are for "production work". My EPOX-8VTAI? Hugo The criteria depend on the production. My own estimates for lifetimes (if it were up to me): Secretary:5-6 years College Student: 4 years Engineering Workstation: 18 months Mail Server, before spam: 10-15 years Mail Server, Post Spam: 2 years Web Server, dialup: 6 years Web Server, before video: 5 years Web Server, after video: 18 months DB server, before Oracle: 25 years (mainframe, with upgrades) DB, post-Oracle, before-Google: 5 years DB, post-Google: 1.5-3 years Final Rendering: 3-9 months (one animated feature film) (I'm prepared to be wrong on ^) (Key word is "Final") Space shuttle:35-40 years Space Station:5-6 years Air traffic controller: 50 years Network router: 1 year (now) Consumer wireless router: 1 year (sad but true) Nuclear power plant: Variable Consumer PC: 4.5-6 years Prosumer PC: 3 years Enthusiast PC:18 months Diehard Crazy person PC: 9 months or less Supercomputer:Surprisingly long Chess-playing Supercomputer: Surprisingly short Debian User PC: Infinity Substitute your own numbers. Add more categories. Enjoy. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On 11/09/08 07:50, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:57:58PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/08/08 18:59, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 04:38:39PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: What about if you don't stick with i386/amd64? I know, there are fewer and fewer (e.g. VAX, Alpha, etc). Do, e.g. HP-9000s have a longer design life? What about IBM SystemP (formally RS/6000) which is PowerPC-based? POWER != PowerPC Sun's Sparc64? *CPU architecture* is *totally orthogonal* to the quality of the motherboard. Not totally. If the short lifespan of i386/amd64 boards is market driven, That's the point. It's *market* driven, not architecture driven. it is possible that the market for other CPU archs drives different lifespan or quality targets. Most 68K and PPC mobos went into Macintoshes, which in those days were made (with a few expections) to a pretty high quality. But that's not because they were powered by the MC68K or PPC, but because that's how Apple wanted them built. Similarly, x86 systems built by IBM, HP and Compaq (back when they actually built their own systems, and cared about high quality) lasted a long time, even though they were x86. The extreme end, I suppose, would be a mainframe. Or, are they like the 100 year old axe that has had the handle changed 5 times and the head 3 times? Parts break, redundancy kicks in, change the dead part, still the same computer. If so, you can do that with three cheap i386 boxes. Doug. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: could not get sound working on Lenny KDE4
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:54:06 +0800, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: > the sound device seems to be detected > > debguy:~# lspci [...] > 00:13.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP04 AC'97 Audio > Controller (rev a1) That should be vendor-ID 10de, device-ID 003a, supported by the snd-intel8x0 module. > I'm using GA-8N-SLI Intel Edition Does the sound work when you run speaker-test -t sine or are there any error messages? -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession-errors messages
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I get a lot of: error 182 request 157 minor 8 serial 773 where 'serial'keeps climbing. Anybody knows what it means? Its meaning is still a mystery. But they show up after issuing: xcompmgr -c -f I've filed a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505050 Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LPD and text-based printer
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:13:33AM -0800, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > > Is it possible to create an LPD printer that outputs to a text file? I > have created printers in CUPS before but it always has been a PDF > printer or a printer via SAMBA. > > Basically I print out a bunch of text files but I want it to be printed > directly as text (not postcript). Well I guess if its postcript I can > always convert it to text using ps2text right? > Just to clarify, you want the output to go to a file, not send pure ascii (text) directly to the printer without being turned into postscript and run through ghostscript? Here's the printcap on my print server box: # /etc/printcap: printer capability database. See printcap(5). # You can use the filter entries df, tf, cf, gf etc. for # your own filters. See /etc/filter.ps, /etc/filter.pcl and # the printcap(5) manual page for further details. # rlp|Remote printer entry:\ # :lp=:\ # :rm=remotehost:\ # :rp=remoteprinter:\ # :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\ # :mx#0:\ # :sh: # APS1_BEGIN:printer1 # - don't delete start label for apsfilter printer1 # - no other printer defines between BEGIN and END LABEL epson|epson;r=360x180;q=photo;c=mono;p=letter;m=auto:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :if=/etc/apsfilter/basedir/bin/apsfilter:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/epson:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/epson/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/epson/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: # APS1_END - don't delete this lp|raw|Generic dot-matrix printer entry:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:\ :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\ :pl#66:\ :pw#80:\ :pc#150:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: I use standard LPD (no CUPS). If I print to the epson printer queue, I get postscripted. If I print to the raw, I get straight text sent to the printer. I haven't added any smarts to prevent me from sending postscript/pdf to the raw printer. Sometimes I'm not very smart and have to stop the print job. Raw also worked on my old DeskJet, and on my old laser printer. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtual PC
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:20 AM, pch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > Can anyone recommend a good virtual machine, equivalent MS Virtual PC. > > Pawel > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". > Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I like VirtualBox. been using it on my windows and debian machine without any problems. http://www.virtualbox.org/ -- Bipin Babu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:57:58PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 11/08/08 18:59, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 04:38:39PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: > >>Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > >What about if you don't stick with i386/amd64? I know, there are fewer > >and fewer (e.g. VAX, Alpha, etc). Do, e.g. HP-9000s have a longer > >design life? What about IBM SystemP (formally RS/6000) which is > >PowerPC-based? > > POWER != PowerPC > > >Sun's Sparc64? > > *CPU architecture* is *totally orthogonal* to the quality of the > motherboard. Not totally. If the short lifespan of i386/amd64 boards is market driven, it is possible that the market for other CPU archs drives different lifespan or quality targets. The extreme end, I suppose, would be a mainframe. Or, are they like the 100 year old axe that has had the handle changed 5 times and the head 3 times? Parts break, redundancy kicks in, change the dead part, still the same computer. If so, you can do that with three cheap i386 boxes. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 06:58:24AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >On 11/08/08 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: > >[snip] > > >An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that > >the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, so that > >it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to maintain the old one. > > > > True. But the software running on the thing is 45 year-old-COBOL. :) Yeah, but that piece of software has been running, uninterrupted without crashing for 45 years! :) Don't they just migrate the whole LPAR from one machine to another? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity Cutoffs, EXT3 and Filesystems
On Sat, 08 Nov 2008, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is your storage sane? Or is it el-cheap-o crap that lies about when > > data really made it to the permanent media? > > Default IBM System x3650 configuration. (SAS disks.) Definately should not lie about flush cache being completed... hmm... -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Virtual PC
Hello, Can anyone recommend a good virtual machine, equivalent MS Virtual PC. Pawel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:54:11PM +0100, oneman wrote:
>
> On 9-nov-2008, at 10:35, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> I think LaTeX is the best! You can convert export and manipulate the
>> document very efficiently and if you have graphics, mathematics and so
>> on
>> I've not seen anything better yet.
>>
>> How do you write a mathematic formulae in ReST??? I've never needed so
>> I
>> don't know if it's possible at all.
>
> You're right, it's just "another markup,that's more human friendly". But
> that's my whole point. Tex is the best to get great results for
> complicated stuff. I used it for propositional logic assignments and it
> was a joy to use. For a wiki, ReST isn't much of an addition either, any
> wiki dialect will do.
>
> The OP however will, just like me with my documentation, be looking at
> the markup itself during the whole writing process and will probably not
> need anything fancy like formula's. Unlike writing in a wiki, where you
> do some limited writing and then save and render the page, when writing a
> book or documentation you only render when someone else needs your
> product in a nice looking format. In such a case ReST is great since it
> results in an easy readable document in itself.
>
> You can do it in tex and by very happy, I just like to do it in ReST and
> so _might_ the OP.
I have not worked with ReST. I have worked with both TeX and asciidoc
quite a lot. Asciidoc is much simpler. But when it gets more complicated,
it is just as difficult to debug as TeX.
In fact, you often have to guess what it actually meant.
For instance:
This is a right-aligned paragraph.
-1 points for you
Is this '-' a bullet? Why not?
2*3=5, 2*4=8
Do the '*' above mark 'bold'?
Unlike TeX that used non-common characters for markup, ReST and its ilk
use common characters. Hence if you paste a text from somewhere, you will
have to escape a bunch of characters in it. Moreever, you probably won't
notice it for a while.
One interesting atvantage ReST has over most other markup languages is
that it mostly avoids characters that are mirrored in bidirectional
languages: (){}[]<> . This makes it useful for editing text that has
large portions of Hebrew, Arabic, or other bidirectional languages.
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Re: When stability is pointless
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is very common for software developers to plow ahead without thinking > much about the versions the distros provide. > > You may want to contact them and see how they would expect users to use > their software effectively. > > It's likely: They won't care. I think that in may cases, this is an unfair characterisation. I'm biased though, I'm an upstream maintainer. I hardly ever hear from the distributions, despite the fact that the software I maintain is installed on over 99% of Linux machines (according to Debian popcon, about 99.8%). The sole exception is Debian (hi, Andreas!). I'm pretty sure the reason here is, once again, manpower. The distibutions include thousands of packages and so the staff who are paid to look after the distribution hardly have any time at all to interact with the upstream comunities, at least on average. The distributions need to figure out where to spend their staff time, and it unsurprisingly most of it goes on high-priority things like glibc, Apache, and the kernel, as you say. Regarding documentation though, I guess the situation is easier in my case; all the documentation that is available for findutils ships in the source tarball, so users always have access to a full set of documentation relevant to the software they are using (they may need to install a separate -doc package, but that's a whole other flamewar). James. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:23:10 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, > An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is > that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, Surely, in part at least, that's rocketing price is to coerce the customer into upgrading to newer hardware. IOW, the maintenance cost increase is artificial. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty Paradise City - Guns 'N' Roses signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/08/08 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] But, would you want a render farm made up of SGI workstations from the 1990s? The state of the art is still moving pretty fast. Even for mainframes, the shelf-life of what is generally considered useful for a lot of applications is less than 6 years. Unless: (a) your workload growth is relatively static, or (b) you purchased excess capacity and are growing into it. An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, so that it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to maintain the old one. True. But the software running on the thing is 45 year-old-COBOL. :) Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:39:43PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Asus is fantastic! for a consumer-level board, especially their enthusiast line. However, do not buy Asus for production work. For workstations, servers, and non-consumer-grade desktops, Asus is subpar, as are many other popular brands. The goal is not "high availability". What brand board would you use for a reliable box? You would not agree with that statement. I wonder what the criteria are for "production work". My EPOX-8VTAI? Hugo The criteria depend on the production. My own estimates for lifetimes (if it were up to me): Secretary:5-6 years College Student: 4 years Engineering Workstation: 18 months Mail Server, before spam: 10-15 years Mail Server, Post Spam: 2 years Web Server, dialup: 6 years Web Server, before video: 5 years Web Server, after video: 18 months DB server, before Oracle: 25 years (mainframe, with upgrades) DB, post-Oracle, before-Google: 5 years DB, post-Google: 1.5-3 years Final Rendering: 3-9 months (one animated feature film) (I'm prepared to be wrong on ^) (Key word is "Final") Space shuttle:35-40 years Space Station:5-6 years Air traffic controller: 50 years Network router: 1 year (now) Consumer wireless router: 1 year (sad but true) Nuclear power plant: Variable Consumer PC: 4.5-6 years Prosumer PC: 3 years Enthusiast PC:18 months Diehard Crazy person PC: 9 months or less Supercomputer:Surprisingly long Chess-playing Supercomputer: Surprisingly short Debian User PC: Infinity Substitute your own numbers. Add more categories. Enjoy. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there cheap website host using debian+apache2+mono(asp.net)+postgresq to sell?
Star Liu wrote: the problem is no web host provider support mono, do you know any web host support mono? thanks No mono, but e.g. http://www.godaddy.com there is a big difference in "cheapness" between VPS + Web hosting: $4.25/mo vs. $33.58/mo. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB drive not ready
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:33 +, Virgo Pärna wrote: [...] > Here is the log: > > virsik:~# tail -fn0 /var/log/syslog [ snip: camera recognized, hal reacts normally, sd driver loaded; everything looks fine until... ] > Nov 9 10:54:18 virsik kernel: [ 4016.216143] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB > device using ehci_hcd and address 2 > Nov 9 10:54:33 virsik kernel: [ 4031.328145] usb 4-3: device descriptor > read/64, error -110 > Nov 9 10:54:48 virsik kernel: [ 4046.544146] usb 4-3: device descriptor > read/64, error -110 > Nov 9 10:54:48 virsik kernel: [ 4046.760149] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB > device using ehci_hcd and address 2 > Nov 9 10:55:03 virsik kernel: [ 4061.872212] usb 4-3: device descriptor > read/64, error -110 > Nov 9 10:55:19 virsik kernel: [ 4077.088139] usb 4-3: device descriptor > read/64, error -110 > Nov 9 10:55:19 virsik kernel: [ 4077.304136] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB > device using ehci_hcd and address 2 > Nov 9 10:55:29 virsik kernel: [ 4087.712157] usb 4-3: device not accepting > address 2, error -110 > Nov 9 10:55:29 virsik kernel: [ 4087.824141] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB > device using ehci_hcd and address 2 > Nov 9 10:55:40 virsik kernel: [ 4098.232143] usb 4-3: device not accepting > address 2, error -110 > Nov 9 10:55:40 virsik kernel: [ 4098.232201] usb 4-3: USB disconnect, > address 2 > Nov 9 10:55:40 virsik kernel: [ 4098.232542] sd 0:0:0:0: Device offlined - > not ready after error recovery Try modprobe -r ehci_hcd and connect the camera again. It seems that this module can cause problems with certain controllers, devices, ports or cables. For more information, see here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/88746 http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#ts6 You could also try if the 2.6.27 kernel improves the situation. (What you report in your other mail indicates that WinXP can operate the device at normal USB 2.0 speeds, so it would be annoying if Linux restricted you to USB 1.1 speeds.) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity Cutoffs, EXT3 and Filesystems
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:32 PM, James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should arrange for your systems to be cleanly shut down (with, for > example, shutdown) before the UPS runs out of power. There even > exists software for some UPS types that allows you to defer the > shutdown until the UPS is running log (instead of doing the shutdown Oops. That should be "running low". > as soon as you know the power has gone out). James. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electricity Cutoffs, EXT3 and Filesystems
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Volkan YAZICI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This year I'm obligated to administrate extra ~5 production servers and > as a result of major GNU/Linux headquarters moving from ReiserFS to > EXT3, I started to use EXT3 in those new servers. But unfortunately, > after every electricity cutoff[1], EXT3 just crashes and waits prompt > from me standing at boot. Do you mean that "fsck.ext3 -p" fails and forces you to run it manually? That's not the same as a crash. > I start the servers with Knoppix (Gee!) and > run e2fsck on every single partition. (Keep on imagining this PITA!) No, > pressing `Y' to run a fsck on the partitions doesn't work. I tried my > luck with XFS, but it resulted same as EXT3. I'm really really surprised by this since I had thought that fsck.xfs was a no-op. But then I don't know for sure since I only use it on two filesystems; the other 30 or so are ext3. > [1] Yes, we have couples of UPS boxes around, but they are not capable >of standing the load for many hours. You're doing it wrong :) You should arrange for your systems to be cleanly shut down (with, for example, shutdown) before the UPS runs out of power. There even exists software for some UPS types that allows you to defer the shutdown until the UPS is running log (instead of doing the shutdown as soon as you know the power has gone out). James. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
On 11/08/08 23:25, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] But, would you want a render farm made up of SGI workstations from the 1990s? The state of the art is still moving pretty fast. Even for mainframes, the shelf-life of what is generally considered useful for a lot of applications is less than 6 years. Unless: (a) your workload growth is relatively static, or (b) you purchased excess capacity and are growing into it. An important reason, though, why many mainframe shops upgrade is that the cost of maintenance contracts skyrocket after 4ish years, so that it's cheaper to buy a new machine than to maintain the old one. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2008-11-07 18:43:45, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty: What brand board would you use for a reliable box? Tyan Why? And what is the difference with Asus? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT about Asus, was Re: What is the point of RAID?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:39:43PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Asus is fantastic! for a consumer-level board, especially their enthusiast line. However, do not buy Asus for production work. For workstations, servers, and non-consumer-grade desktops, Asus is subpar, as are many other popular brands. The goal is not "high availability". What brand board would you use for a reliable box? You would not agree with that statement. I wonder what the criteria are for "production work". My EPOX-8VTAI? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
On 9-nov-2008, at 10:35, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: oneman wrote: On 7-nov-2008, at 2:04, TW wrote: Hi, I'm going to be writing a political book soon and I'm not sure what software to use to write it. I want to use something like Vim to write it, but, I want to be able to convert it to OpenOffice/MicrosoftWord, etc. format (s). The reason that I want to use something like Vim is because I'd be able to make a more censored version of the book on the fly for certain people to download (underagers, for instance). I thought that latex would be what I needed, but I'm not sure. I thought DocBook, but isn't that for documentation? I need something that goes the whole nine yards, The Little Brown Handbook style (footnotes, etc.). Thanks for the help. You might also want to look into ReST, part of docutils: http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html It is by far the most readable and simple markup language I know. It's a intuitive human readable plain text formatting that doubles as a markup. It will do footnotes, TOC etc. and can be parsed to PDF, HTML and tex. Like others pointed out, once you've got tex you can spice it up further if needed and parse it into various other formats. I use ReST for all my documentation, notes etc. and it never failed me. Peter Come on. I've been using this for WiKi and I still don't understand what such a great advantage this has over the normal WiKi markup or some other markup, with exception of the argument that you just learn another markup, that's more human friendly. I think LaTeX is the best! You can convert export and manipulate the document very efficiently and if you have graphics, mathematics and so on I've not seen anything better yet. How do you write a mathematic formulae in ReST??? I've never needed so I don't know if it's possible at all. You're right, it's just "another markup,that's more human friendly". But that's my whole point. Tex is the best to get great results for complicated stuff. I used it for propositional logic assignments and it was a joy to use. For a wiki, ReST isn't much of an addition either, any wiki dialect will do. The OP however will, just like me with my documentation, be looking at the markup itself during the whole writing process and will probably not need anything fancy like formula's. Unlike writing in a wiki, where you do some limited writing and then save and render the page, when writing a book or documentation you only render when someone else needs your product in a nice looking format. In such a case ReST is great since it results in an easy readable document in itself. You can do it in tex and by very happy, I just like to do it in ReST and so _might_ the OP. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Extract .war File
Zaki Akhmad wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hello, > > Can I extract .war file? How do I do it? > > Thanks > - -- > Zaki Akhmad man jar jar tvf .war - will list the content jar xvf .war - will extract the content jar is pretty similar to tar regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
oneman wrote: > > On 7-nov-2008, at 2:04, TW wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm going to be writing a political book soon and I'm not >> sure what software to use to write it. >> >> I want to use something like Vim to write it, but, I want >> to be able to convert it to OpenOffice/MicrosoftWord, etc. format(s). >> The reason that I want to use something like Vim is because I'd be >> able to make a more censored version of the book on the fly for >> certain people to download (underagers, for instance). I thought >> that latex would be what I needed, but I'm not sure. I thought >> DocBook, but isn't that for documentation? I need something that >> goes the whole nine yards, The Little Brown Handbook style (footnotes, >> etc.). Thanks for the help. >> > > You might also want to look into ReST, part of docutils: > > http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html > > It is by far the most readable and simple markup language I know. > It's a intuitive human readable plain text formatting that doubles as > a markup. It will do footnotes, TOC etc. and can be parsed to PDF, > HTML and tex. Like others pointed out, once you've got tex you can > spice it up further if needed and parse it into various other > formats. I use ReST for all my documentation, notes etc. and it never > failed me. > > > Peter Come on. I've been using this for WiKi and I still don't understand what such a great advantage this has over the normal WiKi markup or some other markup, with exception of the argument that you just learn another markup, that's more human friendly. I think LaTeX is the best! You can convert export and manipulate the document very efficiently and if you have graphics, mathematics and so on I've not seen anything better yet. How do you write a mathematic formulae in ReST??? I've never needed so I don't know if it's possible at all. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there cheap website host using debian+apache2+mono(asp.net)+postgresq to sell?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:32:59 +0800 "Star Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the problem is no web host provider support mono, do you know any web > host support mono? thanks at linode if you can configure it you can run it. I got mine on a Friday night and was up and running with my own domain by Saturday morning. registered the domain at www.dyndns.com ordered my linode and was serving within 12hrs from the time I started the process. I was really mad at one of my isp's about a mail snafu I won't mention the name (it would be clear it's wireless) if I did ;-) oh yeah that 12 hrs included some sleep. Anyhoo good luck. this list(and the list archives and debian in general) helped me quite a bit. here's output from the console - uname -a && cat /etc/issue.net && uptime Linux *** 2.6.18.8-linode10 #2 SMP Sat Jul 19 20:24:32 EDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 04:24:40 up 22 days, 19:51, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there cheap website host using debian+apache2+mono(asp.net)+postgresq to sell?
On Sunday 09 November 2008 01:32, Star Liu wrote: > the problem is no web host provider support mono, do you know any web > host support mono? thanks I don't know of any, and I doubt you'll find one, but it's possible. If you are capable of setting up your website on your home machine, you are capable of setting it up on a VPS. Linode and Slicehost are both high-quality, fairly inexpensive VPS providers that will pre-install Linux (many distributions) on your slice. You'll be able to run mono on either service. I imagine you'll be able to run mono with any other Linux VPS provider as well. Web hosting is genally very cheap, sometimes free, but when you need specific software (and not just a place to throw content and scripts) it gets diffcult to find one that meets your requirements. Even if you can find one, their configuration, and you level of access, may prevent your application from running. VPSes are a great middle-ground between web hosting and dedicated hosting and/or co-location. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpErJgApxhF9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pbuilder/chroot problems
On Sunday 09 November 2008 03:05, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2008-11-09 01:06 +0100, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > I attempted to to the chroot command directly, and got a bit more > > verbose output ending in: > > Setting up libc6 (2.7-16) ... > > sh: /dev/null: Permission denied > > sh: /dev/null: Permission denied > > My crystal ball tells me that /home is mounted with the `nodev' option. > Correct? Brilliant! Yeah, that's my problem. I guess I was expecting 'nodev' to cause some other error, perhaps on device creation. I was initially creating my pbuilder chroots on in /var/cache and that's also mounted 'nodev'. I know chroots will need special attention but, are there any guidelines as to what filesystems are generally safe to mount 'nodev' (and 'nosuid')? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpRhfzlhiLHU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: USB drive not ready
Additionally - I rebooted my laptop toto Windows XP Home, connected the camera and copied ~500 MB of video clips and images to computer. It worked just fine, it took less than a minute to copy and there were no errors in event log. -- Virgo Pärna [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software For Book Writing
Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 06:04:03PM -0700, TW wrote: >>> I'm going to be writing a political book soon and I'm not >>> sure what software to use to write it. >>> >>> I want to use something like Vim to write it, but, I want >>> to be able to convert it to OpenOffice/MicrosoftWord, etc. format(s). >>> The reason that I want to use something like Vim is because I'd be >>> able to make a more censored version of the book on the fly for >>> certain people to download (underagers, for instance). I thought >>> that latex would be what I needed, but I'm not sure. I thought >>> DocBook, but isn't that for documentation? I need something that >>> goes the whole nine yards, The Little Brown Handbook style (footnotes, >>> etc.). Thanks for the help. >> >> There seems to be a module that converts LaTex into just about anything, > > Can it convert from latex to odt format? I have spent quite a bit of > time unsuccessfully searching for something that would do it without > causing a lot of grief. Please point me to it. It would be a life saver > in those cases where people insist on receiving documents in .doc > format. Last time, I ended up making the document in OpenOffice and > exporting it as word. It was a pain (the writing part, not the export). > >> so I'd go with LaTex. I've never used or had need of outputting to >> Microsoft Word. If you need to distribute read-only to people, just >> make them pdf's from the LaTex. Or HTML. (either will do hypertext >> links from the TOC and note markers). Being a plain-text format, you >> should be able to make different versions (sensored you say) for people. >> >> Doug. >> >> > > The LyX program can convert though -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB drive not ready
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:27:04 +0100, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tail -fn0 /var/log/syslog > > This will list all new messages appearing in the system log. (You can > exit with CTRL-C.) Then plug in the camera, turn it on, and wait at > least thirty seconds. Post the syslog messages here; they might tell us > what goes wrong. > Here is the log: virsik:~# tail -fn0 /var/log/syslog Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.232143] usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.385061] usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.385834] usb 4-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0a17, idProduct=00a7 Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.385842] usb 4-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.385845] usb 4-3: Product: Optio E50 Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.385848] usb 4-3: Manufacturer: PENTAX Corporation Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.385851] usb 4-3: SerialNumber: 1153315 Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik NetworkManager: [1226220850.413979] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_a17_a7_1153315'). Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.494770] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.496656] scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.497224] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.497231] USB Mass Storage support registered. Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.498687] usb-storage: device found at 2 Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik kernel: [ 4008.498694] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik NetworkManager: [1226220850.507788] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_a17_a7_1153315_if0'). Nov 9 10:54:10 virsik NetworkManager: [1226220850.553348] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_a17_a7_1153315_usbraw'). Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.496310] usb-storage: device scan complete Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.496916] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access PENTAX Optio E501.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.572005] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.576402] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4022273 512-byte hardware sectors (2059 MB) Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.577031] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.577037] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00 Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.577040] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.579146] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4022273 512-byte hardware sectors (2059 MB) Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.579776] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.579782] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00 Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.579786] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.579790] sda: sda1 Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik kernel: [ 4013.581968] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik NetworkManager: [1226220855.575699] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_a17_a7_1153315_if0_scsi_host'). Nov 9 10:54:15 virsik NetworkManager: [1226220855.582552] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_a17_a7_1153315_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'). Nov 9 10:54:18 virsik kernel: [ 4016.216143] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Nov 9 10:54:33 virsik kernel: [ 4031.328145] usb 4-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 Nov 9 10:54:48 virsik kernel: [ 4046.544146] usb 4-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 Nov 9 10:54:48 virsik kernel: [ 4046.760149] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Nov 9 10:55:03 virsik kernel: [ 4061.872212] usb 4-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 Nov 9 10:55:19 virsik kernel: [ 4077.088139] usb 4-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 Nov 9 10:55:19 virsik kernel: [ 4077.304136] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Nov 9 10:55:29 virsik kernel: [ 4087.712157] usb 4-3: device not accepting address 2, error -110 Nov 9 10:55:29 virsik kernel: [ 4087.824141] usb 4-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Nov 9 10:55:40 virsik kernel: [ 4098.232143] usb 4-3: device not accepting address 2, error -110 Nov 9 10:55:40 virsik kernel: [ 4098.232201] usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 2 Nov 9 10:55:40 virsik kernel: [ 4098.232542] sd 0:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery Nov
Re: pbuilder/chroot problems
On 2008-11-09 01:06 +0100, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > I'm trying to set up a pbuilder environment on my laptop, and it's failing > with this error: > W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/bss/debootstrap-test > dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-16_amd64.deb > > I tried etch instead of sid, thinking it might be some unstable breakage, and > got an error that only differed in the version of libc6. > > The error looked to be coming for debootstrap, so I tried debootstrapping > manually (variant=buildd) and got the same error. > > Then, I attempted to to the chroot command directly, and got a bit more > verbose output ending in: > Setting up libc6 (2.7-16) ... > sh: /dev/null: Permission denied > sh: /dev/null: Permission denied My crystal ball tells me that /home is mounted with the `nodev' option. Correct? Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i386 to amd64
On 2008-11-09 03:51 +0100, Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: > Sven Joachim escreveu: >> On 2008-11-08 17:06 +0100, Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: >> >>> Is there any way to build amd64 packages from i386? >> >> There is probably more than one way, but assuming you have a 64-bit >> processor (if not, why would you want to build packages for it?), the >> easiest solution is to boot with a 64-bit kernel and set up an amd64 >> chroot for that task with "debootstrap --arch=amd64 --variant=buildd". >> You can also set up pbuilder for amd64, look for the --debootstrapopts >> option in the pbuilder manpage. > > Ahmmm... > > Thanks for helping me, but I got a little bit confused by this explanation. > > I got a package: package_0.0.0_i386.deb > And I want: samepackage_0.0.0_amd64.deb Okay, it seems I completely misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to build packages from source. > I know I can install i386 packages by the --force-architecture > parameter, but what I really need is to build one. > > I'm used to build my own packages with checkinstall, but they're not > providing me the source for this specific package. Here is a way to just hack the architecture in foobar_i386.deb, with short comments: # We want the files in the control.tar.gz to be owned by root, so let's # pretend we are root; apt-get install fakeroot if necessary. fakeroot /bin/bash # extract the files in the control archive into a scratch dir mkdir scratch ar x foobar_i386.deb control.tar.gz tar -C scratch -xzvf control.tar.gz # change the Architecture in the control file sed -i -e 's/Architecture: i386/Architecture: amd64/' scratch/control # regenerate the control archive GZIP=-9n tar -C scratch -cvzf control.tar.gz . # replace the control archive in the .deb ar rav debian-binary foobar_i386.deb control.tar.gz # clean up and exit the fakeroot shell: rm -rf scratch control.tar.gz exit This is a really dirty hack, though. A better framework for converting i386 packages is developed in the ia32-libs-tools package, available in unstable¹. While this tool is not very mature and barely documented, it is probably a better way than just changing the Architecture: field in debian/control. Sven ¹ http://packages.debian.org/sid/ia32-libs-tools -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
