Re: Another Firefox and sound problem

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 23:51, Marc Shapiro  wrote:
> Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:59, Marc Shapiro  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is an intermittent problem with no discernible pattern, other than
>>> that
>>> it is a problem with sound and flash.  Most of the time flash works just
>>> fine.  Every now and then, however, the video will continue as it should,
>>> but the audio gets stuck in about a one second continuous loop.  So far,
>>> I
>>> have to close Firefox down and usually I find that there is a runaway
>>> Firefox process that needs to be shut down as well (just like in the
>>> thread
>>> about getting sound back). Does anyone know how to fix this?
>>
>> I don't know about this problem specifically, but I stopped having
>> FF/Flash/sound problems when I installed PulseAudio. Of course,
>> many people are against PA, often along with most of the other
>> useful modern desktop technologies...
>
> I have now installed PulseAudio (on Lenny) using aptitude.  A total of 25
> packages were installed.  When I run paman, everything come up saying 'n/a'
> and the message says "Failure: Connection refused".  All the other pa*
> commands also either hang, do nothing, or say "Connection refused".  What am
> I doing wrong?  Or do I just need to reboot after installation?

Did you double check that it is running with ps?
And that the environmental variable is set?


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Another Firefox and sound problem

[Marc Shapiro]

Kelly Clowers wrote:

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 20:59, Marc Shapiro  wrote:

This is an intermittent problem with no discernible pattern, other than that
it is a problem with sound and flash.  Most of the time flash works just
fine.  Every now and then, however, the video will continue as it should,
but the audio gets stuck in about a one second continuous loop.  So far, I
have to close Firefox down and usually I find that there is a runaway
Firefox process that needs to be shut down as well (just like in the thread
about getting sound back). Does anyone know how to fix this?


I don't know about this problem specifically, but I stopped having
FF/Flash/sound problems when I installed PulseAudio. Of course,
many people are against PA, often along with most of the other
useful modern desktop technologies...


I have now installed PulseAudio (on Lenny) using aptitude.  A total of 
25 packages were installed.  When I run paman, everything come up saying 
'n/a' and the message says "Failure: Connection refused".  All the other 
pa* commands also either hang, do nothing, or say "Connection refused". 
 What am I doing wrong?  Or do I just need to reboot after installation?


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RE: Network interface testing utlity

[Kushal Koolwal]

> Give me an idea of what parameters (e.g. throughput, error rate) that
> you intend to measure. The measured parameter will give us an idea
> of the measurement intervals.
I think throughput rate for sure. Also errors encountered. To summarize I would 
like to test the overall reliability (not sure how to quantify it) of the media 
types. My analysis does not have to be very very precise but a rough idea would 
be good enough.


Kushal Koolwal

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Re: Courier Font

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:52:44PM EDT, J.H.Kim wrote:

> Hi, everyone
> 
> I hope to install Courier font in my lenny but I did not find the
> proper package.
> Whant package should I install ?

There are several - of variable quality. 

$ apt-cache search courier

If you plan to use it as a screen font, you could give ttf-liberation a
shot.

CJ


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Re: Courier Font package

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 09:56:20PM EDT, Dave Witbrodt wrote:

> On my system, I seem to have Courier fonts... but I cannot say which
> font package I have installed which provides those fonts:

You could try:

$ fc-match -v courier   # fontconfig returns the "font file" 
$ dpkg -S fontfile  # the debian package that installed it

On my system this tells me that "courier" is part of the gsfonts
package.

CJ


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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Stan Hoeppner]

Paul E Condon put forth on 10/5/2009 12:18 PM:
> Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound
> system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers
> are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a
> really heavy power amplifier box. Because of the solid-state
> internals, it has worked without interruption or servicing of any
> kind. 

[snip]

Sounds like it's time for you to build a media center PC

http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/

or (possibly better) buy one pre-built:

http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=438&sec=1

DISCLAIMER:  I am not promoting this D-Link product.  I have no first
hand experience with it.  I mention it strictly as an example of a class
of products that would fulfill your needs.

It has wireless ethernet so you don't have to call a contractor to run
CAT5 through your house.  It has both optical digital and coaxial
digital audio outputs for connecting directly to your modern A/V
receiver's digital audio inputs.  This will eliminate any sound quality
issues related to cheap PC sound card problems.

This D-Link requires a host PC on the network running Vista or XP SP2.
I assume they have a software package one installs on the PC to control
the D-Link and setup shares for the media file directories, etc.

If you search around, you can probably find a similar product that would
allow you to use Linux instead of Windows (i.e. one with a web based
management interface with no software requirement on the PC).  I'm
guessing all you will find is products offering support for total media
entertainment, not just CD/MP3/audio.  You're a smart guy.  You'll
figure out what product/solution is best for your needs.

The cheapest solution by far is to use your current PC, and have a
contractor come in and run an in wall digital optical cable from the
room your PC is in to the room your A/V receiver is in.  Plug a Toslink
patch cable from the wall to the PC, and from the wall to the A/V
receiver and you're done.  If you go this route you'll need a PC
hardware solution with a digital audio output (Toslink connection).

Good luck.

Regards.

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Re: Courier Font package

[Tom H]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Dave Witbrodt  wrote:
> Wayne Topa wrote:

>>> I hope to install Courier font in my lenny but I did not find the proper
>>> package.
>>> Whant package should I install ?

>> You should learn how to use the Debian tools.
>> 1. Install the apt-cache package.
>> 2. Read the apt-cache man file  ie  man apt-cache.

> There is no package in Debian called 'apt-cache'.  There is a program called
> 'apt-cache', provided in the package called 'apt'.  The 'apt' package is
> categorized as Essential, so anyone who installs Debian is pretty much
> guaranteed to have it installed.
>
> On my system, I seem to have Courier fonts... but I cannot say which font
> package I have installed which provides those fonts:
>
> $ fc-list |grep -i courier
> Courier New:style=Regular,Normal,obyčejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Normaali,
> Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Обычный,Normálne,Navadno,thường,Arrunta
> Courier 10 Pitch:style=Bold Italic
> Courier New:style=Bold Italic,Negreta cursiva,tučné kurzíva,fed kursiv,Fett
> Kursiv,Έντονα Πλάγια,Negrita Cursiva,Lihavoitu Kursivoi,Gras
> Italique,Félkövér dőlt,Grassetto Corsivo,Vet Cursief,Halvfet
> Kursiv,Pogrubiona kursywa,Negrito Itálico,Полужирный Курсив,Tučná
> kurzíva,Fet Kursiv,Kalın İtalik,Krepko poševno,Lodi etzana
> Courier 10 Pitch:style=Italic
> Courier New:style=Italic,Cursiva,kurzíva,kursiv,Πλάγια,Kursivoitu,Italique,
> Dőlt,Corsivo,Cursief,Kursywa,Itálico,Курсив,İtalik,Poševno,nghiêng,Etzana
> Courier 10 Pitch:style=Regular
> Courier New:style=Bold,Negreta,tučné,fed,Fett,Έντονα,Negrita,Lihavoitu,Gras,
> Félkövér,Grassetto,Vet,Halvfet,Pogrubiony,Negrito,Полужирный,Fet,Kalın,Krepko,đậm,Lodia
> Courier 10 Pitch:style=Bold
>
> No doubt others on this list who are more familiar with fonts (and their
> respective packages) can name the packages.  All that I can say is that
> Courier fonts are available (somehow) via the Debian repositories. Possibly
> I have them because of the package called 'ttf-mscorefonts- installer'.

He may have meant apt-file.

ttf-mscorefonts-installer installs Courier New along with a few other
MS fonts so the Debian tools may not be that helpful in this
particular case since the fonts are installed by the package rather
than by apt/dpkg.


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Re: Courier Font package

[Dave Witbrodt]

Wayne Topa wrote:
I hope to install Courier font in my lenny but I did not find the 
proper package.

Whant package should I install ?

Thanks in advance.


You should learn how to use the Debian tools.

1. Install the apt-cache package.
2. Read the apt-cache man file  ie  man apt-cache.


There is no package in Debian called 'apt-cache'.  There is a program 
called 'apt-cache', provided in the package called 'apt'.  The 'apt' 
package is categorized as Essential, so anyone who installs Debian is 
pretty much guaranteed to have it installed.


On my system, I seem to have Courier fonts... but I cannot say which 
font package I have installed which provides those fonts:


$ fc-list |grep -i courier
Courier New:style=Regular,Normal,obyčejné,Standard,Κανονικά,Normaali,
Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Обычный,Normálne,Navadno,thường,Arrunta
Courier 10 Pitch:style=Bold Italic
Courier New:style=Bold Italic,Negreta cursiva,tučné kurzíva,fed 
kursiv,Fett Kursiv,Έντονα Πλάγια,Negrita Cursiva,Lihavoitu Kursivoi,Gras 
Italique,Félkövér dőlt,Grassetto Corsivo,Vet Cursief,Halvfet 
Kursiv,Pogrubiona kursywa,Negrito Itálico,Полужирный Курсив,Tučná 
kurzíva,Fet Kursiv,Kalın İtalik,Krepko poševno,Lodi etzana

Courier 10 Pitch:style=Italic
Courier New:style=Italic,Cursiva,kurzíva,kursiv,Πλάγια,Kursivoitu,Italique,
Dőlt,Corsivo,Cursief,Kursywa,Itálico,Курсив,İtalik,Poševno,nghiêng,Etzana
Courier 10 Pitch:style=Regular
Courier New:style=Bold,Negreta,tučné,fed,Fett,Έντονα,Negrita,Lihavoitu,Gras,
Félkövér,Grassetto,Vet,Halvfet,Pogrubiony,Negrito,Полужирный,Fet,Kalın,Krepko,đậm,Lodia
Courier 10 Pitch:style=Bold

No doubt others on this list who are more familiar with fonts (and their 
respective packages) can name the packages.  All that I can say is that 
Courier fonts are available (somehow) via the Debian repositories. 
Possibly I have them because of the package called 'ttf-mscorefonts- 
installer'.



Dave W.


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Re: Courier Font package

[Wayne Topa]

J.Hwan.Kim wrote:

Hi, everyone

I hope to install Courier font in my lenny but I did not find the proper 
package.

Whant package should I install ?

Thanks in advance.


You should learn how to use the Debian tools.

1. Install the apt-cache package.
2. Read the apt-cache man file  ie  man apt-cache.

HTH

Wayne

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Re: segmentation fault with NVIDIA 32bit part

[lee]

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 12:17:53AM +0200, thveillon.debian wrote:
> lee a wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:41:47PM +0200, thveillon.debian wrote:
> > 
> >>> cat:/home/lee# /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1
> >>> Segmentation fault
> >>> cat:/home/lee# 
> >> the ia32-libs got seriously reworked has I understand, you can use the
> >> Sid version of nvidia's packages, and install the "Debian way" using
> >> "module-assistant".
> > 
> > You mean to install an older Debian package that has the nvidia
> > drivers? I looked for nvidia packages, but there doesn't seem to be
> > one that would compile things for the kernel I'm using. And I don't
> > know what "module-assistant" is.
> 
> No, you said you are using testing (Squeeze), just like I do, so I am
> not advising to install an older package but the current unstable (Sid)
> nvidia packages set that suit your hardware.

Yeah, sorry, I don't keep track of the release names and get confused
with them. I'm just using testing, it doesn't matter what its current
name is ...

> The minimum you should have would be nvidia-kernel-common,
> nvidia-kernel-source (to build the kernel module with module-assistant),
> and after the module is built install also nvidia-glx[-ia32].

Which version of the driver do these contain? Would this compile the
right things for the kernel I'm using?

Why can't I just use the nvidia installer? What's the difference?

>  If you do that directly it will build the default testing version, if
> you install Sid packages first, you can use m-a to build the Sid
> version, that's what I am using now on my Squeeze amd64 box.

But I'm not using a Debian kernel.

> >> It's working here, I tried the Nvidia (beta) script and it fails even in
> >> expert mode where you can choose install paths.
> > 
> > Yeah, the nvidia installer seems to work just fine and puts the
> > libraries into the right place. But the libraries are not executable
> > anymore without yielding a segmentation fault.
> 
> How do you test this, so that I can reproduce the tests here ?

Well, just run the nvidia installer, it will say that some libraries
cannot be found. When you look them up, they are available where they
are supposed to be, but when you execute them, you get segmentation
faults.

Then run the nvidia installer again, but choose to not install the
32bit libs this time. That goes through without errors, and the libs
that caused the problem before are gone.

> I am afraid it's more a problem with the proprietary nature of the
> Nvidia driver. If it sucks big time it will always be in last resort
> Nvidia's fault... Debian doesn't have to be tailored around proprietary
> programs just to meet their needs.

It doesn't help users when things suddenly quit working.

> > The web browsers don't work right anymore either and tend to crash now
> > :( Instead of being improved, they got worse. What happened to the
> > mozilla that included the email client and irc?
> > 
> 
> Well, that's another problem, iceweasel works mostly OK here, maybe
> clean up your extensions/plugins ?

There are way too many to do that --- or is there a list of all the
packages I'd have to remove for that while somehow keeping the things
I might want to keep installed and not have them removed due to
dependencies? I'm not so sure if this is actually "another problem"
rather than another symptom of the quality of Debian going down: First
there isn't a web browser that works right anymore (since quite a
while), then things that used to work just fine for like a decade
(nvidia drivers) suddenly quit working and the web browsers got even
worse at the same time.

> I think what you are looking for is the "iceape" program in Debian
> jargon, not sure about this since I have never used it.

There doesn't seem to be an iceape package in testing. Perhaps the
developers making mozilla stopped making it, but that leaves Debian
without a working web browser. Neither galeon, nor iceweasel or
firefox (which seems to be the same), let alone konqeror really
work. And when you try to file a bug report, you're told not do it but
to go to ridiculous lengths to figure out what's wrong yourself.

Things used to just work in Debian, but they do that less and
less. That isn't good.


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Courier Font

[J.H.Kim]

Hi, everyone

I hope to install Courier font in my lenny but I did not find the
proper package.
Whant package should I install ?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
J.Hwan Kim


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Courier Font package

[J.Hwan.Kim]

Hi, everyone

I hope to install Courier font in my lenny but I did not find the proper 
package.

Whant package should I install ?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
J.Hwan Kim




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RE: Network interface testing utlity

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: kushalkool...@hotmail.com
>To: ow...@netptc.net, debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: RE: Network interface testing utlity
>Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:20:10 -0700
>
>>
>>> I'm not familiar with ethstatus but most error monitoring these
>days
>>> is done at the TCP/IP level in software
>>Ok, I will look into that.
>>
>>One last thing that I would like to get some input on is how long
>should I run my tests to get decent readings? Also during that time
>should I just transfer data (large/small files) to/from
>simultaneously from both the boxes?
>>
>>Really appreciate for your inputs so far.
>>
>>
>>Kushal Koolwal
>>
>>I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/
>>
>>
Give me an idea of what parameters (e.g. throughput, error rate) that
you intend to measure.  The measured parameter will give us an idea
of the measurement intervals.
Larry
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Re: segmentation fault with NVIDIA 32bit part

[thveillon.debian]

lee a wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:41:47PM +0200, thveillon.debian wrote:
> 
>>> cat:/home/lee# /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1
>>> Segmentation fault
>>> cat:/home/lee# 
>> the ia32-libs got seriously reworked has I understand, you can use the
>> Sid version of nvidia's packages, and install the "Debian way" using
>> "module-assistant".
> 
> You mean to install an older Debian package that has the nvidia
> drivers? I looked for nvidia packages, but there doesn't seem to be
> one that would compile things for the kernel I'm using. And I don't
> know what "module-assistant" is.

No, you said you are using testing (Squeeze), just like I do, so I am
not advising to install an older package but the current unstable (Sid)
nvidia packages set that suit your hardware.
The minimum you should have would be nvidia-kernel-common,
nvidia-kernel-source (to build the kernel module with module-assistant),
and after the module is built install also nvidia-glx[-ia32].

"module-assistant" (abbreviated m-a) is an helper package that can take
care of the module build (and most thinks implied by it). Just use
(after installing the package "module-assistant" of course) :

m-a a-i nvidia-kernel

as root, or just launch the ncurse interface with:

m-a

Of course "man m-a" is the place to start.

 If you do that directly it will build the default testing version, if
you install Sid packages first, you can use m-a to build the Sid
version, that's what I am using now on my Squeeze amd64 box.

>> It's working here, I tried the Nvidia (beta) script and it fails even in
>> expert mode where you can choose install paths.
> 
> Yeah, the nvidia installer seems to work just fine and puts the
> libraries into the right place. But the libraries are not executable
> anymore without yielding a segmentation fault.

How do you test this, so that I can reproduce the tests here ?

> Since it worked before, there must have been some change made in
> Debian packages --- but against which one(s) would I file a bug
> report?

I am afraid it's more a problem with the proprietary nature of the
Nvidia driver. If it sucks big time it will always be in last resort
Nvidia's fault... Debian doesn't have to be tailored around proprietary
programs just to meet their needs.

> 
> The web browsers don't work right anymore either and tend to crash now
> :( Instead of being improved, they got worse. What happened to the
> mozilla that included the email client and irc?
> 

Well, that's another problem, iceweasel works mostly OK here, maybe
clean up your extensions/plugins ?

I think what you are looking for is the "iceape" program in Debian
jargon, not sure about this since I have never used it.

Tom


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Re: Re (2): Video on Demand, VoD

[Brian Marshall]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 09:21:24AM -0700, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
[...] 
> > You mean like this?
>   
> 
> Yes.  Your controls appear to have the same 
> capabilities as Win XP.  The progress bar and 
> sound level control are absent on my systems.  
> Any idea what software makes the controls?
> 
> The package list is here in case someone has 
> a suspicion.
>   http://carnot.yi.org/packages.dalton
> 
> > Not sure what plugins were involved if any.
> 
> Same here.

The plugin in the screenshot is totem-mozilla. gecko-mediaplayer should
also work. I don't know of any other plugins that handle streaming
media.

> Thanks,  ... Peter E.

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Re: segmentation fault with NVIDIA 32bit part

[lee]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:41:47PM +0200, thveillon.debian wrote:

> > cat:/home/lee# /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1
> > Segmentation fault
> > cat:/home/lee# 
> 
> the ia32-libs got seriously reworked has I understand, you can use the
> Sid version of nvidia's packages, and install the "Debian way" using
> "module-assistant".

You mean to install an older Debian package that has the nvidia
drivers? I looked for nvidia packages, but there doesn't seem to be
one that would compile things for the kernel I'm using. And I don't
know what "module-assistant" is.

> It's working here, I tried the Nvidia (beta) script and it fails even in
> expert mode where you can choose install paths.

Yeah, the nvidia installer seems to work just fine and puts the
libraries into the right place. But the libraries are not executable
anymore without yielding a segmentation fault.

Since it worked before, there must have been some change made in
Debian packages --- but against which one(s) would I file a bug
report?


The web browsers don't work right anymore either and tend to crash now
:( Instead of being improved, they got worse. What happened to the
mozilla that included the email client and irc?


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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Mark]

>I have been mulling over the same kinds of problems for some time
>also.  Noone in this thread has yet mentioned the Logitech Slingbox:
>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=us,en
>Has anyone used this, and if so, does it fit the bill for high end
>audio performance, as claimed?  I've no reason to think it doesn't,
>I'd just like to hear from someone who has actually used it.

I have a Squeezebox (Classic) at my house streaming music wirelessly from an
old HP desktop box running Lenny.  24 bit Burr Brown DAC, can run off of LAN
or WLAN.  If you have your music encoded using FLAC or Wavepack, among other
formats, it can play it natively.  Had it for 2+ years, couldn't be
happier.  There used to be a trick that required you to install the "faad"
package in Lenny and change some code to get iTunes formats (.mp4, .m4a,
.m4p) to play but the latest software update fixed it where those files are
supported natively now.  The only downside is Logitech bought out
SlimDevices, so I worry about the the open source nature of the
firmware/server software's future.  I personally love the Wake On Lan
capabilities, that boots my Lenny machine from across the house using the
Squeezebox remote.  I run an Onkyo amp with Klipsch speakers and the sound
is phenomenal and true to the original recordings.

The only limitation using my setup comes from music files using compressed
formats, but virtually all of my songs hover around the 160-192 kbps range
so they are transparent when comparing to the originals.  You can actually
get away with lower bitrates using the most modern mp3 LAME codec, but my
songs were encoded several years ago.  :)

Mark

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Martin J. Hillyer wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:18:10AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound
> > system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers
> > are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a
> > really heavy power amplifier box. Because of the solid-state
> > internals, it has worked without interruption or servicing of any
> > kind.
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> > Please, help with this perplexity.
> > --
> > Paul E Condon
> > pecon...@mesanetworks.net
>
> I have been mulling over the same kinds of problems for some time
> also.  Noone in this thread has yet mentioned the Logitech Slingbox:
>
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=us,en
>
> Has anyone used this, and if so, does it fit the bill for high end
> audio performance, as claimed?  I've no reason to think it doesn't,
> I'd just like to hear from someone who has actually used it.
>
> P.S.  My apologies to Mr Condon for sending this to his return address;
> I stupidly hit reply instead of group-reply.
>
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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Martin J. Hillyer]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:18:10AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound
> system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers
> are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a
> really heavy power amplifier box. Because of the solid-state
> internals, it has worked without interruption or servicing of any
> kind. 
>

[snip]
 
> Please, help with this perplexity.
> -- 
> Paul E Condon   
> pecon...@mesanetworks.net

I have been mulling over the same kinds of problems for some time
also.  Noone in this thread has yet mentioned the Logitech Slingbox:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=us,en

Has anyone used this, and if so, does it fit the bill for high end
audio performance, as claimed?  I've no reason to think it doesn't,
I'd just like to hear from someone who has actually used it.

P.S.  My apologies to Mr Condon for sending this to his return address; 
I stupidly hit reply instead of group-reply.

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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[David Christensen]

Paul E Condon wrote:

good sound system to play my CDs.
store my entire CD collection on hard disk, even without compression,

> and all computers have audio output.

the cable run from where I have computers to where I have my hi-fi is ~100ft


Have you considered building a media center/ home theater PC, deploying 
it next to your hi-fi, and connecting it to your LAN (wired or 
wireless)?  Search the fine web (STFW) for articles and sites using 
keywords like "Linux", "home theater PC", "media center PC", "small form 
factor", etc..



> Is the analog audio signal at the output socket of *all*
> consumer-grade computers equally good?

As others have stated, of course not.  The key is to get a motherboard, 
sound card, and/or USB audio codec with "good enough" audio 
specifications and for which there is device driver and operating system 
sound architecture support.



If you're into books -- "The Book of Linux Music and Sound" by Dave 
Phillips was a good read.  But, Linux multimedia technology has advanced 
since 2000:


http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=lms


HTH,

David


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Re: kernel sources for Lenny?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:46:22AM -0700, Andrew Porter wrote:
> 
> 
> What is the _right_ way to install kernel headers,
> and if possible kernel sources,
> so that they get put in /usr/src/ ... ?? 
> 
> I installed these packages, 
> from the www.debian.org web-site,  distro:
> 
>linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb
>linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb
>linux-kbuild-2.6.26_2.6.26-3_i386.deb
> 
> This is where it (dpkg) put them,
> (not in /usr/src/linux): 
> 
> pts/0:/usr/src>ls -lsa
>  4 drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686

Any reason you use 2.6.26-1 and not 2.6.26-2 ?

>  4 drwxr-xr-x 18 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 
> linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common
>  4 drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-kbuild-2.6.26
> 
> --
> 
> These are Lenny (Debian 5.0, currently ) kernal packages,
> and Lenny is what's on the machine.  

Stable packages are actually 2.6.26-2

> 
> What is the right way to get kernel sources and kernel headers
> installed under /usr/src/linux?  
> 
> 
> All this is in aid of installing
> the XiG commercial X server,
> which has features X.org does not,

It's still alive?

> and which asks that kernel sources 
> (esp. headers) be installed under /usr/src/linux . . . 

The symlink method suggested elsewhere in this thread can easily lead
you to using an incorrect kernel source tree.

  /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build

is a saner default :-(

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rkhunter message

[Paul Cartwright]

I got this from the rkhunter cron job today ( never seen it before, or the 
files listed):
Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev:
         
/dev/shm/mono-shared-1000-shared_fileshare-paulandcilla.homelinux.org-Linux-i686-36-12-0:
 
data
         
/dev/shm/mono-shared-1000-shared_data-paulandcilla.homelinux.org-Linux-i686-312-12-0:
 
data
         /dev/shm/mono.17997: data


:/dev/shm# ls -l
total 8
-rw-r- 1 pbc pbc4096 2009-10-04 13:11 mono.17997
-rw-r- 1 pbc pbc   79880 2009-10-04 13:11 
mono-shared-1000-shared_data-paulandcilla.homelinux.org-Linux-i686-312-12-0
-rw-r- 1 pbc pbc 3686404 2009-10-04 13:11 
mono-shared-1000-shared_fileshare-paulandcilla.homelinux.org-Linux-i686-36-12-0


should I be worried?
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Re: kernel sources for Lenny?

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Andrew Porter wrote:
> What is the _right_ way to install kernel headers,
> and if possible kernel sources,
> so that they get put in /usr/src/ ... ?? 
>
> I installed these packages, 
> from the www.debian.org web-site,  distro:
>
>linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb
>linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb
>linux-kbuild-2.6.26_2.6.26-3_i386.deb
>
> This is where it (dpkg) put them,
> (not in /usr/src/linux): 
>
> pts/0:/usr/src>ls -lsa
>  4 drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
>  4 drwxr-xr-x 18 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 
> linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common
>  4 drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-kbuild-2.6.26
>
> --
>
> These are Lenny (Debian 5.0, currently ) kernal packages,
> and Lenny is what's on the machine.  
>
> What is the right way to get kernel sources and kernel headers
> installed under /usr/src/linux?  
>
>
> All this is in aid of installing
> the XiG commercial X server,
> which has features X.org does not,
> and which asks that kernel sources 
> (esp. headers) be installed under /usr/src/linux . . . 
>
>   

I would suggest to make a symbolic link:
/usr/src/:# ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 linux


and I guess you'll be ok!

G.


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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[joe]

Paul E Condon wrote:


I don't want to just hook it up and listen, because the cable run from
where I have computers to where I have my hi-fi is ~100ft and that
distance precludes listening to different CD copies on HD in quick
succession. And maybe it really is a good way to go, but my test
indicates it is bad because I make mistakes in my test setup. ...

Please, help with this perplexity.


You are certainly right to think about this carefully. Don't even think 
about playing straight out of a computer card, and the motherboard sound 
ports are even worse. Signal-to-noise ratio is very poor and it's a 
devil of a job to keep the hum down to manageable levels. My best 
results so far are from a USB 'card' with extra earthing and short audio 
cables. Oddly enough, I can't tell the difference between a Creative 
Live box and a very cheap VOIP USB handset with line in and out, apart 
from the fact that the cheap one causes occasional USB problems on 
Debian (both Etch and Lenny) which the Creative one manages to avoid. 
Even the Creative one has poor PCB layout and, of course, unbalanced 
inputs and outputs.


It's OK for background listening to MP3s. Being married, I'm not too 
concerned about dynamic range, but it's certainly not good enough for 
'real' listening. I still buy CDs, and I keep the computers off if I'm 
listening 'properly'. But I listen mostly while I'm working, usually a 
few feet from a couple of fans, and the computer system is good enough 
for that.


And as to recording... again, the USB card has produced the best 
signal-to-noise ratio I've managed so far, about 45dB, which is just 
about acceptable for background listening, but a long, long way short of 
the theoretical 96dB dynamic range that 16 bits should deliver.


I would assume there are professional sound cards or boxes which offer 
decent quality, but I have no expectation of finding out about them. 
Like you, I spent some money in the 1970s and 80s, but can't afford to 
do so now. Probably a music shop would be a better place to ask than a 
computer store.


But ah, the convenience... I've learned what most people probably learn, 
which is that assembling my favourite tracks, even a couple of hundred, 
leads to repetition and boredom, especially if I'm not paying full 
attention to it.


I now generally play random selections of music by genre, varying as far 
as some I don't like much at all. It makes the good ones sound better 
still, and avoids the anticipation of the next track. I know it sounds 
decadent, but if I'm busy I don't like to have to stop to think about 
what particular music I want next, or to pick a CD off the shelf. It's 
like good radio without the boring people in between...

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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 05 October 2009 13:20:14 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > It is purely digital.  16-bit (not sure if this is floating- or
> > fixed-point), stereo, 44.1 kHz samples, IIRC.
>
> What's the difference between 16-bit floating-point and 16-bit
> fixed-point? I always thought those are just integers.

Some audio codecs use floating-point, which is like a "float" or "double" or 
"long double" in the C programing language.  Some bits are the exponent 
(usually with a bias) and some bits are the mantissa.  Other audio codecs use 
fixed-point, where the 16-bits simply a signed integer (or possibly an 
unsigned integer modified by a bias).

I think CDs are fixed-point, but I'm not entirely sure on that.  Both fixed- 
and floating-point have advantages, and I know various audio formats and 
programs use both.

8-bit fixed-point unsigned has exact values for [0,1,2,...,255]
8-bit floating point unsigned might have exact values for [0,1,2,...,63], 
[64,65,66,...,127], [128,130,132,...,254], and [256,260,264,...,508].
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Re: xorg modifications don't take place

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:13, Sven Hoexter  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Juan Fernando Jaramillo Botero 
> wrote:
>> Hello I have sid, and I change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to add the
>> lines to change the variant and options of the keyboard, like:
>>
>> Section "InputDevice"
>>       Identifier      "Generic Keyboard"
>>       Driver          "kbd"
>>       Option          "XkbRules"      "xorg"
>>       Option          "XkbModel"      "pc104"
>>       Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
>>     Option      "XkbVariant" "alt-intl"
>>     Option      "XkbOptions" "compose:lwin"
>> EndSection
>>
>> But don't take place after restart xorg. But if I use the command:
>> setxkbmap -variant alt-intl -option compose:lwin it's work. Some body
>> know why?
>
> Input devices are now managed via hal. There is a page about it somewhere at
> wiki.debian.org.
>
> Adding
> Section "ServerFlags"
>        Option "AutoAddDevices" "off"
>        Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
> EndSection
> should take you back to the old kbd/mouse input stuff.

Don't bother with that, just edit /etc/default/console-setup

# The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same
# values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options
# in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
XKBMODEL="pc104"
XKBLAYOUT="us"
XKBVARIANT="alt-intl"
XKBOPTIONS="compose:lwin"

Those settings will also take effect on your TTYs


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kernel sources for Lenny?

[Andrew Porter]

What is the _right_ way to install kernel headers,
and if possible kernel sources,
so that they get put in /usr/src/ ... ?? 

I installed these packages, 
from the www.debian.org web-site,  distro:

 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb
 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb
 linux-kbuild-2.6.26_2.6.26-3_i386.deb

This is where it (dpkg) put them,
(not in /usr/src/linux): 

pts/0:/usr/src>ls -lsa
 4 drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
 4 drwxr-xr-x 18 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common
 4 drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2009-09-22 12:09 linux-kbuild-2.6.26

--

These are Lenny (Debian 5.0, currently ) kernal packages,
and Lenny is what's on the machine.  

What is the right way to get kernel sources and kernel headers
installed under /usr/src/linux?  


All this is in aid of installing
the XiG commercial X server,
which has features X.org does not,
and which asks that kernel sources 
(esp. headers) be installed under /usr/src/linux . . . 



Andrew Porter,
a...@jedp.com


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Re: Installing SId version of Xorg

[Frank McCormick]

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> On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:07:35 +0300
> "Ivan T. Ivanov"  wrote:
> 
> >
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 04:49:52PM -0400, Frank wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > I'm running Squeeze and having a lot of trouble with Xorg freeze
> > > > > with my Intel video, so I'd like to install the Xorg version of
> > > > > Sid, while keeping the option to go back to the testing version.
> > > > 
> > > > Don't forget that you need the latest linux-image from sid aswell.
> 
> > > 
> > >I had forgotten that! Seems there were a few fixes in the latest
> > > kernel with regard to the intel video problem(s).
> > > Thanks a lot for the info - went well.
> > > 
> > 
> >   It will be nice if you share result with us.
> >   i personally also experience problems with 
> >   current state of Xorg in squeeze.
> 
> 
> Glad to. Installed the Sid xserver, and the Sid intel video along
> with the Sid kerneland am pleased to say that whereas my machine
> would lockup regularly before (ranging from 1 minute to 30 minutes after
> boot) it has now been running in X for about 4 hours smooth as glass.
> Earlier comments here made it look like it was X and/or the Intel driver
> that were at fault, but after a couple of hours of googling the
> problems...it seems it was more likely the kernel glitches that were
> causing the problem.


  for more on this:

   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=541307

   Scroll down and read messages 55 and 78


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Re: Installing SId version of Xorg

[Frank McCormick]

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:07:35 +0300
"Ivan T. Ivanov"  wrote:

>
> > 
> > > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 04:49:52PM -0400, Frank wrote:
> > 
> > > > I'm running Squeeze and having a lot of trouble with Xorg freeze
> > > > with my Intel video, so I'd like to install the Xorg version of
> > > > Sid, while keeping the option to go back to the testing version.
> > > 
> > > Don't forget that you need the latest linux-image from sid aswell.

> > 
> >I had forgotten that! Seems there were a few fixes in the latest
> > kernel with regard to the intel video problem(s).
> > Thanks a lot for the info - went well.
> > 
> 
>   It will be nice if you share result with us.
>   i personally also experience problems with 
>   current state of Xorg in squeeze.


Glad to. Installed the Sid xserver, and the Sid intel video along with
the Sid kerneland am pleased to say that whereas my machine would lockup
regularly before (ranging from 1 minute to 30 minutes after boot) it has now 
been
running in X for about 4 hours smooth as glass. Earlier comments here made it 
look
like it was X and/or the Intel driver that were at fault, but after a couple of
hours of googling the problems...it seems it was more likely the kernel glitches
that were causing the problem.
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Re: Redirect internet connection to wireless router

[Vinicius Massuchetto]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Stefan Monnier  wrote:
 So, I was wondering if I get a standard wireless router and feed it
 with an internet connection from the laptop, configuring my computer
 as a dhcp server.
>>> I can't think of any reason why you couldn't do it (especially if you
>>> install OpenWRT on the router).  But I wonder: why have your laptop
>>> manage the PPP connection rather than let the router do it?
>>> After all, that's pretty much what they're designed to do.
>> I've got a 3g usb ppp modem connected to the computer, and I need some
>> drivers to manage dialing it.
>> It would be awesome if a router could do it.
>
> Many USB 3g adapters don't need any proprietary driver, apparently, so
> if you ask on the OpenWRT mailing-list, you may find someone who's used
> such a key from his router.
> Basically, if the key works from GNU/Linux, then it will work on pretty
> much any home router that comes with a USB port and supported
> by OpenWRT.

[Putting back on the list.]

Humn. Nice.
But it seems to me that routers with USB ports are way more expensive,
3 or 4 times more than a standard one (at least here in Brazil).

Thanks for recommending OpenWRT, I'll take a close look on it as soon as I can.
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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> It is purely digital.  16-bit (not sure if this is floating- or fixed-point), 
> stereo, 44.1 kHz samples, IIRC.

What's the difference between 16-bit floating-point and 16-bit
fixed-point? I always thought those are just integers.

Johannes
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OOmon 2.2 'make' Error

[Steffan Wood]

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DLOGDIR=\"/home/oftn/ircd/oomon/logs\" -DETCDIR=\"/home/oftn/ircd/ 
oomon/etc\"  -c adnswrap.cc

In file included from ./libs/boost/config.hpp:35,
 from ./libs/boost/utility/addressof.hpp:19,
 from ./libs/boost/utility.hpp:12,
 from adnswrap.h:29,
 from adnswrap.cc:29:
./libs/boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp:92:7: warning: #warning "Unknown  
compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the  
results"

In file included from adnswrap.h:35,
 from adnswrap.cc:29:
botexcept.h: In member function ‘std::string OOMon::errno_error::why()  
const’:

botexcept.h:60: error: ‘::strerror’ has not been declared
make: *** [adnswrap.o] Error 1

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Re: Installing SId version of Xorg

[Ivan T. Ivanov]

Hi,

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 09:47 -0400, Frank wrote:
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> On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:49:51 +0200
> Sven Hoexter  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 04:49:52PM -0400, Frank wrote:
> 
> > > I'm running Squeeze and having a lot of trouble with Xorg freeze with
> > > my Intel video, so I'd like to install the Xorg version of Sid, while
> > > keeping the option to go back to the testing version.
> > 
> > Don't forget that you need the latest linux-image from sid aswell.
> > 
> 
> 
>I had forgotten that! Seems there were a few fixes in the latest kernel
> with regard to the intel video problem(s).
> Thanks a lot for the info - went well.
> 

  It will be nice if you share result with us.
  i personally also experience problems with 
  current state of Xorg in squeeze.

  thanks. iivanov

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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Paul E Condon wrote:
> Now, it is quite feasible to store my entire CD collection on hard
> disk, even without compression, and all computers have audio
> output. But what is the audio quality of the analog sound signal? 

It depends on the quality of the sound card, just as much as on the
quality of the amplifier, speakers or any other component you use for
your music playback.

>   I
> went to the local Best Buy store on Saturday to ask questions. The
> clerk, who was quite self assured, told me that it is easy to connect
> one's computer to one's home sound system, and showed me a short cable
> that they have for sale that has a triaxial plug on one end and two
> RCA jacks on the other and assured me that this was what he used at
> home and that this was all that I needed. This is very reassuring, if
> I can believe it, but ... Is it true? 

Yes. You might get better sound quality with a better sound card and/or
better cables, though. The cable, however, is a cheap solution (compared
to buying better equipment), though you might just give it a try and
find out whether it suits your needs.

> He was oblivious to my concern that the analog audio signal is
> generated in the computer box and that it is analog audio that travels
> over the special cable, and if *my* computer has an inferior
> sound-card or sound-chip-set, then maybe I would not have as good
> sound as he has. So I ask here - Is the analog audio signal at the
> output socket of *all* consumer-grade computers equally good? 

Certainly not. At best it is equally bad. (On the other hand, apparently
most people don't mind listening to music at low sound quality).
YMMV.
I use *professional* grade sound cards, because I like good sound quality.

>   If it is
> not, how can I avoid wasting time and money on a computer with
> inferior sound? 

Buy a high quality sound card. Since I mostly use laptops for this, I
prefer external usb sound cards. Nowadays some have DA-converters
matching those of the best high end CD players at a fraction of the price.

> Are there other technical issues with the quality of
> 'ripped' music from CDs? What are they? 

It depends how you rip them (what format). mp3 has some qualtiy loss,
but at the higher quality settings this won't matter on most hifi
equipment. There's the option to rip it lossless as well, ie. with
exactly the same digital quality as on CD.

> As I write this, I am
> wondering how the analog music is actually encoded on the CD. Is is
> purely digital, or are there analog timing variations in the optical
> marks?

Purely digital at constant timing.

HTH,
cheers,
Johannes

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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 05 October 2009 12:18:10 Paul E Condon wrote:
> one's computer to one's home sound system, and showed me a short cable
> that they have for sale that has a triaxial plug on one end and two
> RCA jacks on the other and assured me that this was what he used at
> home and that this was all that I needed. This is very reassuring, if
> I can believe it, but ... Is it true?

That will work.  Some audio cards also have support for optical audio jacks 
and/or SPIDF (sp?) cables.  I'm far from an expert in audio cables, but I 
believe you get the best quality out of a cable technology that is both 
grounded and balanced.

> Is the analog audio signal at the
> output socket of *all* consumer-grade computers equally good?

No.  In particular, on-board audio processors in both laptops and desktops are 
generally not (electrically) isolated enough from the rest of the system.  The 
analog output picks up electrical noise either at the DACs or on the way to 
the plug.

You'll want something off-board.  Cable technology *does* matter, so find a 
audio card that has good output ports.  If you do any of your own mastering, 
make sure the audio card supports 24-bit sample sizes.  Don't be afraid to 
consider completely external solutions like USB-audio devices.  They might be 
less portable/manageable but they are often the better system.

> If it is
> not, how can I avoid wasting time and money on a computer with
> inferior sound? 

Read reviews.  Test out systems if possible.  Get advice from early adopters.

> Are there other technical issues with the quality of
> 'ripped' music from CDs? What are they? 

If the CD has been damaged, the rip may contain crackles and pops reminiscent 
of vinyl.  That's about it.  CDDA is a open, DRM-free format that virtually 
any device reading that media can understand.  There's no compression or 
encoding so things a relatively simple.

Raw wave files are rather large, but flac can shrink them by 40-60% 
losslessly.  It's rather easy to own 10s of TB of storage space right now, so 
it might not matter at all.  1 TB ~= 2000 audio CDs, uncompressed.

> As I write this, I am
> wondering how the analog music is actually encoded on the CD. Is is
> purely digital, or are there analog timing variations in the optical
> marks?

It is purely digital.  16-bit (not sure if this is floating- or fixed-point), 
stereo, 44.1 kHz samples, IIRC.

Some consumer-level audio cards are capable of handling 32-bit (floating- or 
fixed-point), 8-channel, 96 kHz (or more) audio data in real-time.  So 
producing CD-quality output is trivial for them.
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Re: segmentation fault with NVIDIA 32bit part

[thveillon.debian]

lee wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> today I updated my testing installation. Now the 32bit part of the
> NVIDIA drivers doesn't work anymore: The installer says it cannot find
> the libraries that are supposed to be in
> /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/. However, the libraries are there, but when
> I try to run them, I'm getting a segmentation fault:
> 
> 
> cat:/home/lee# /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1
> Segmentation fault
> cat:/home/lee# 
> 
> 
> I'm using kernel 2.6.30 and have tried:
> 
> 
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.run
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.32-pkg2.run
> 
> 
> The 64bit part seems to work fine, i. e. I can start the X server and
> everything is working, except 32bit software that needs the 32bit
> stuff.
> 
> What could be causing this problem? It was working just fine before
> the update today.
> 
> 

Hi,

the ia32-libs got seriously reworked has I understand, you can use the
Sid version of nvidia's packages, and install the "Debian way" using
"module-assistant".
It's working here, I tried the Nvidia (beta) script and it fails even in
expert mode where you can choose install paths.

Hope it helps,

Tom


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segmentation fault with NVIDIA 32bit part

[lee]

Hi,

today I updated my testing installation. Now the 32bit part of the
NVIDIA drivers doesn't work anymore: The installer says it cannot find
the libraries that are supposed to be in
/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/. However, the libraries are there, but when
I try to run them, I'm getting a segmentation fault:


cat:/home/lee# /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1
Segmentation fault
cat:/home/lee# 


I'm using kernel 2.6.30 and have tried:


NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.run
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.32-pkg2.run


The 64bit part seems to work fine, i. e. I can start the X server and
everything is working, except 32bit software that needs the 32bit
stuff.

What could be causing this problem? It was working just fine before
the update today.


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OOmon 2.2 'make' Error

[Steffan Wood]

c++ -g -O2 -Wall -I./libs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DBOOST_DISABLE_THREADS - 
DLOGDIR=\"/home/oftn/ircd/oomon/logs\" -DETCDIR=\"/home/oftn/ircd/ 
oomon/etc\"  -c adnswrap.cc

In file included from ./libs/boost/config.hpp:35,
 from ./libs/boost/utility/addressof.hpp:19,
 from ./libs/boost/utility.hpp:12,
 from adnswrap.h:29,
 from adnswrap.cc:29:
./libs/boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp:92:7: warning: #warning "Unknown  
compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the  
results"

In file included from adnswrap.h:35,
 from adnswrap.cc:29:
botexcept.h: In member function ‘std::string OOMon::errno_error::why()  
const’:

botexcept.h:60: error: ‘::strerror’ has not been declared
make: *** [adnswrap.o] Error 1


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RE: Network interface testing utlity

[Kushal Koolwal]

> I'm not familiar with ethstatus but most error monitoring these days
> is done at the TCP/IP level in software
Ok, I will look into that.

One last thing that I would like to get some input on is how long should I run 
my tests to get decent readings? Also during that time should I just transfer 
data (large/small files) to/from simultaneously from both the boxes?

Really appreciate for your inputs so far.


Kushal Koolwal

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OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

[Paul E Condon]

Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound
system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers
are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a
really heavy power amplifier box. Because of the solid-state
internals, it has worked without interruption or servicing of any
kind. 

It still works entirely to my satisfaction except for one issue: I
have trouble with the physical handling and storage of the CDs. When
several CDs get separated from their jewel-cases, it is tedious to get
them back in the correct case and the case back in the correct place
on the storage shelf.

A decade or more ago, I was toying with the idea of getting a robotic
mechanical CD handler/player, but decided to wait a while for the
price to go down. Instead, they seem to have disappeared from the
market. And the whole napster thing happened. And the iPod with music
delivered via ear-buds...

Now, it is quite feasible to store my entire CD collection on hard
disk, even without compression, and all computers have audio
output. But what is the audio quality of the analog sound signal? I
went to the local Best Buy store on Saturday to ask questions. The
clerk, who was quite self assured, told me that it is easy to connect
one's computer to one's home sound system, and showed me a short cable
that they have for sale that has a triaxial plug on one end and two
RCA jacks on the other and assured me that this was what he used at
home and that this was all that I needed. This is very reassuring, if
I can believe it, but ... Is it true? 

He was oblivious to my concern that the analog audio signal is
generated in the computer box and that it is analog audio that travels
over the special cable, and if *my* computer has an inferior
sound-card or sound-chip-set, then maybe I would not have as good
sound as he has. So I ask here - Is the analog audio signal at the
output socket of *all* consumer-grade computers equally good? If it is
not, how can I avoid wasting time and money on a computer with
inferior sound? Are there other technical issues with the quality of
'ripped' music from CDs? What are they? As I write this, I am
wondering how the analog music is actually encoded on the CD. Is is
purely digital, or are there analog timing variations in the optical
marks?

I don't want to just hook it up and listen, because the cable run from
where I have computers to where I have my hi-fi is ~100ft and that
distance precludes listening to different CD copies on HD in quick
succession. And maybe it really is a good way to go, but my test
indicates it is bad because I make mistakes in my test setup. ...

Please, help with this perplexity.
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Re: xorg modifications don't take place

[Sven Hoexter]

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Juan Fernando Jaramillo Botero wrote:
> Hello I have sid, and I change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to add the
> lines to change the variant and options of the keyboard, like:
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
>   Driver  "kbd"
>   Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
>   Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
>   Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
> Option  "XkbVariant" "alt-intl"
> Option  "XkbOptions" "compose:lwin"
> EndSection
> 
> But don't take place after restart xorg. But if I use the command:
> setxkbmap -variant alt-intl -option compose:lwin it's work. Some body
> know why?

Input devices are now managed via hal. There is a page about it somewhere at
wiki.debian.org.

Adding
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AutoAddDevices" "off"
Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
EndSection
should take you back to the old kbd/mouse input stuff.

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Re: apt-get autoremove

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 05 October 2009 10:50:42 Alexey Salmin wrote:
> Why are you so angry?

I'm not.  Nor was I when I was writing my initial reply.

> What do you suppose to hear from a person who at
> first got message that some packages are "no longer required" and got
> his system broken after following that advice.

I expect them to stop taking advice from something that is not giving advice 
and is not intended to be an advisor in any way.

I just don't understand the thought-process that results in persons telling 
apt-get to remove something they use on a day to day basis.  It wouldn't 
matter what font or how many times aptitude told me kmail was "not required", 
I wouldn't ask for it's removal because I use kmail every day.  If I did not 
already know how, I would look for a way to tell aptitude that kmail *is* 
_very much_ required.

> I understand that in
> stable in 99% times it's caused by user's fault: he've accidentally
> removed kde metapackage or something. But how does that matter?

Because we can't fix it, so we should move on to a problem we can fix.

> It really seems that no OS can fix its users: there are morons no
> matter what OS they use.

I'm glad we agree, although I wouldn't use the term "moron" to refer to anyone 
participating in this thread.
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Re: apt-get autoremove

[Tim Legg]

Yep, 

Please accept my apologies for cc'ing your message to the list, but you 
provided a good undo for my problem.  Others browsing the archives/google 
should see this if running apt-get autoremove disables the GUI.

# apt-get install gnome

brought back the essentials I needed back.  Whatever else that is gone, I can 
install when the need arises.

It suggested me to autoremove everytime I installed a new package.  I didn't 
have screen running when I executed apt-get autoremove, so I didn't have a 
typescript of the episode.

I will look into text-based screenshot tools.  It's sort of the thing I should 
know about, and don't.  Anybody who has suggestions can send me an e-mail off 
list.

Thanks you very much for you help.  Having my computer boot to the shell was a 
back-in-time trip.  I was about to pop in an old Madonna cassette tape into my 
boombox and pretend it was 1989.  The bsdgames package would have completed the 
ambiance.  Oh, I can go on and on; it was quite funny actually.


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> From: Stefan Monnier 
> Subject: Re: apt-get autoremove
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:17 AM
> > I installed the AMD64 Debian on
> my AMD64 box (emachines T6520 by the
> > way).  Ever since the time I installed it,
> everytime I ran apt-get,
> > I was given a couple screenfulls of package names that
> were no longer
> > needed and could be removed by apt-get autoremove and
> 512M of disk
> > space would be freed.
> 
> Did you check these screenfuls to see if they contained
> some
> applications you like to use?
> 
> > I sort of feel stupid about taking it's advice. 
> It does appear I will
> > have to reinstall Debian because of it.  (I
> thought Debian stable was
> > stable because it didn't have such serious problems as
> this.
> > Granted it didn't freeze up with an Amiga-style
> fireworks display, but
> > I still wish I had known what was going to happen.)
> 
> My guess is that somehow some install you did in the past
> ended up
> removing the `gnome' metapackage (which doesn't itself hold
> any files),
> so that most of your desktop environment became
> "non-requested" and
> hence candidate for autoremove-deletion.
> Try "aptitude install gnome".
> 
> 
>         Stefan
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snort help

[Liubomir Tsankov]

Hello I have two questions about Debian!The first one- two days ago I
installed SNORT on Debian 5.0 and after that the lan card started working
quite slow -SNORT was generating the lan traffic and now it's stuck.It works
properly after changing the hole device and the settings themselves.Could
that issue be caused by SNORT ot it appears Nagios and NTOP ,which were also
installed on the pc?
is there any conflict beetwen the three of them?

xorg modifications don't take place

[Juan Fernando Jaramillo Botero]

Hello I have sid, and I change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to add the
lines to change the variant and options of the keyboard, like:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
Option  "XkbVariant" "alt-intl"
Option  "XkbOptions" "compose:lwin"
EndSection

But don't take place after restart xorg. But if I use the command:
setxkbmap -variant alt-intl -option compose:lwin it's work. Some body
know why?

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Re (2): Video on Demand, VoD

[peasthope]

Date:   Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:49:55 -0400
"S. Fishpaste"  wrote,
> You mean [Skype and VLC] work good?

Well, Skype allows decent communication.  
The board mounted Intel device dissappeared 
about a week back but C-media USB audio always 
works.  Skype is probably not responsible 
for vanishing devices.  

VLC produces sound from audio files from the 
CBC.  Don't know about video.  Never tested 
a movie file directly.

> You mean like this?
  

Yes.  Your controls appear to have the same 
capabilities as Win XP.  The progress bar and 
sound level control are absent on my systems.  
Any idea what software makes the controls?

The package list is here in case someone has 
a suspicion.
  http://carnot.yi.org/packages.dalton

> Not sure what plugins were involved if any.

Same here.

Thanks,  ... Peter E.

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Re: apt-get autoremove

[Alexey Salmin]

Why are you so angry? What do you suppose to hear from a person who at
first got message that some packages are "no longer required" and got
his system broken after following that advice. I understand that in
stable in 99% times it's caused by user's fault: he've accidentally
removed kde metapackage or something. But how does that matter?
It really seems that no OS can fix its users: there are morons no
matter what OS they use.

Alexey

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
 wrote:

>> (I thought Debian stable was stable
>> because it didn't have such serious problems as this.)
>
> No OS can fix its users.
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Re: apt-get autoremove

[Stefan Monnier]

> I installed the AMD64 Debian on my AMD64 box (emachines T6520 by the
> way).  Ever since the time I installed it, everytime I ran apt-get,
> I was given a couple screenfulls of package names that were no longer
> needed and could be removed by apt-get autoremove and 512M of disk
> space would be freed.

Did you check these screenfuls to see if they contained some
applications you like to use?

> I sort of feel stupid about taking it's advice.  It does appear I will
> have to reinstall Debian because of it.  (I thought Debian stable was
> stable because it didn't have such serious problems as this.
> Granted it didn't freeze up with an Amiga-style fireworks display, but
> I still wish I had known what was going to happen.)

My guess is that somehow some install you did in the past ended up
removing the `gnome' metapackage (which doesn't itself hold any files),
so that most of your desktop environment became "non-requested" and
hence candidate for autoremove-deletion.
Try "aptitude install gnome".


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Re: apt-get autoremove

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Tim Legg wrote:
> Maybe this is a bug, maybe it isn't...
>
> I installed the AMD64 Debian on my AMD64 box (emachines T6520 by the way).  
> Ever since the time I installed it, everytime I ran apt-get, I was given a 
> couple screenfulls of package names that were no longer needed and could be 
> removed by apt-get autoremove and 512M of disk space would be freed.
>   

Which exactly was this message, and which apt-get command were you
running and you saw this message?
My advice is to use aptitude which makes a better dependency resolving.

Anyway, about your problem, you don't have of course to re-install
debian, just to
aptitude install 
those packages which were uninstalled. You can find those packages by
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Re: apt-get autoremove

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <26721.25741...@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Tim Legg wrote:
>Maybe this is a bug, maybe it isn't...

Nope; it isn't.

>I installed the AMD64 Debian on my AMD64 box (emachines T6520 by the way). 
> Ever since the time I installed it, everytime I ran apt-get, I was given a
> couple screenfulls of package names that were no longer needed and could be
> removed by apt-get autoremove and 512M of disk space would be freed.

This just means that no other piece of installed software depends on the 
package anymore (and the package was originally brought in as a dependency).  
It does not mean you aren't using the software yourself.

>After a couple weeks, I got tired of seeing this message and I ran apt-get
> autoremove.

You should have run (apt-get install $pkgs_I_use) before running (apt-get 
autoremove).

Reading the relevant documentation should have cleared that up for you.

>And so I rebooted and here I am using links to compose this e-mail because X
> become broken.  Actually, X does work, but it seems every window manager is
> broken.

You probably ended up uninstalling programs you use regularly.

>I sort of feel stupid about taking it's advice.  It does appear I will have
> to reinstall Debian because of it.  

That would be wrong.  Just install the packages you need again.  There should 
be a log file that lists each package you uninstalled, if you have no other 
idea what you are using.  If you use gnome or KDE there are meta-packages that 
are probably suitable.

> (I thought Debian stable was stable
> because it didn't have such serious problems as this.)

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Re: Redirect internet connection to wireless router

[Stefan Monnier]

> So, I was wondering if I get a standard wireless router and feed it
> with an internet connection from the laptop, configuring my computer
> as a dhcp server.

I can't think of any reason why you couldn't do it (especially if you
install OpenWRT on the router).  But I wonder: why have your laptop
manage the PPP connection rather than let the router do it?
After all, that's pretty much what they're designed to do.


Stefan


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apt-get autoremove

[Tim Legg]

Maybe this is a bug, maybe it isn't...

I installed the AMD64 Debian on my AMD64 box (emachines T6520 by the way).  
Ever since the time I installed it, everytime I ran apt-get, I was given a 
couple screenfulls of package names that were no longer needed and could be 
removed by apt-get autoremove and 512M of disk space would be freed.

After a couple weeks, I got tired of seeing this message and I ran apt-get 
autoremove.

And so I rebooted and here I am using links to compose this e-mail because X 
become broken.  Actually, X does work, but it seems every window manager is 
broken.

I sort of feel stupid about taking it's advice.  It does appear I will have to 
reinstall Debian because of it.  (I thought Debian stable was stable because it 
didn't have such serious problems as this.  Granted it didn't freeze up with an 
Amiga-style fireworks display, but I still wish I had known what was going to 
happen.)

Tim Legg


  


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Re: Installing SId version of Xorg

[Frank]

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:16:59 +0300
Andrei Popescu  wrote:

> On Sun,04.Oct.09, 17:26:10, Frank wrote:
>  
> > > # echo 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";'
> > > # >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local echo "deb
> > > # >> http://your-prefered-mirror/ squeeze
> > > # >> main" /etc/apt/sources.list aptitude update
> > > # aptitude install -t squeeze xorg
> > 
> >   Maybe I wasn't clearbut won't that take me back to Squeeze? 
> >   How do I get the Sid version installed ?
> 
> Oups, too tired last night. This is the correct way:
> 

   I know that feeling! 

   Thanks to all for advice and suggestions.
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Re: Installing SId version of Xorg

[Frank]

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:49:51 +0200
Sven Hoexter  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 04:49:52PM -0400, Frank wrote:

> > I'm running Squeeze and having a lot of trouble with Xorg freeze with
> > my Intel video, so I'd like to install the Xorg version of Sid, while
> > keeping the option to go back to the testing version.
> 
> Don't forget that you need the latest linux-image from sid aswell.
> 


   I had forgotten that! Seems there were a few fixes in the latest kernel
with regard to the intel video problem(s).
Thanks a lot for the info - went well.

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Re: Hello! Please, I need your help! An advice of what I need to download to

[Jimmy Johnson]

guido mezzalana wrote:


 Hi,
 
I am trying to sort it out the folloing problem about Debian installation.
 
The only problem I am getting is I have not sound! clickin on volume 
control is telling me:
 
 no volume control GS streamer plugins and/or devices found



Osamu has given you the information you need to solve your sound 
problem, if you can not get your sound to work I suggest that you 
reinstall the latest version of Mepis 8.0 and then ask for help at 
mepislovers.org where new users can get help when the do not know how to 
help themselves.

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Re: Dual head config

[Neal Hogan]

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Paras pradhan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am using debian lenny in my Dell 640m Laptop. When I connect my
> Samsung HDTV to the VGA output, I need to restart the X . And as soon
> as I restart X, the display doesn't look normal in my Laptop but it is
> great in the TV. How do i fix this? I want to run both display in the
> normal resolution and good quality. In addition, right now my laptop
> display is being mirrored to the TV. So what do I need to do so that
> the display get extended rather than mirroring.
>
> Thanks!
> Paras.

Take a look xrandr.

>
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Re: Cannot write to a NFS share.

[Tremolo 3molo]

Solved, thanks a lot!

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Klistvud  wrote:

> Dne, 05. 10. 2009 12:18:16 je Tremolo 3molo napisal(a):
> > Hi,
> >
> > I can't seem to write to the NFS server. I am being root on the
> > client, and
> > the share is mounted with "rw".
> > Anyone spot the problem?
> >
> > NFS server: Debian Lenny, nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.2-6lenny1
> > NFS client: Debian etch, nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1
> >
> > NFS Server:
> > /etc/exports: /home/backup 10.47.17.9(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
> > No entries in hosts.allow or hosts.deny.
> >
> > NFS client:
> > 10.47.17.7:/home/backup/ on /dumps type nfs
> > (rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,addr=10.47.17.7)
> > client:~# touch /dumps/test
> > touch: cannot touch `/dumps/test': Permission denied
> > client:~# cat /dumps/somefile
> > catting works
> >
> > No errors in daemon.log..
> >
> >
>
> IIRC nfs gives you write access to your home dir only. To override
> this, you must add the option
> no_root_squash
> to your /home/backup line in /etc/exports
>
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Re: Cannot write to a NFS share.

[Klistvud]

Dne, 05. 10. 2009 12:18:16 je Tremolo 3molo napisal(a):
> Hi,
> 
> I can't seem to write to the NFS server. I am being root on the
> client, and
> the share is mounted with "rw".
> Anyone spot the problem?
> 
> NFS server: Debian Lenny, nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.2-6lenny1
> NFS client: Debian etch, nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1
> 
> NFS Server:
> /etc/exports: /home/backup 10.47.17.9(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
> No entries in hosts.allow or hosts.deny.
> 
> NFS client:
> 10.47.17.7:/home/backup/ on /dumps type nfs
> (rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,addr=10.47.17.7)
> client:~# touch /dumps/test
> touch: cannot touch `/dumps/test': Permission denied
> client:~# cat /dumps/somefile
> catting works
> 
> No errors in daemon.log..
> 
> 

IIRC nfs gives you write access to your home dir only. To override 
this, you must add the option
no_root_squash
to your /home/backup line in /etc/exports

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Re: OT: mutt/nano spellchecking

[Tony Baldwin]

Chris Jones wrote:

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 08:39:36AM EDT, Tony Baldwin wrote:


One of the things keeping me from using Mutt as my default mail client
all the time is the lack of certain spell check features.  


That's got nothing to do with mutt. Spell-checking is a feature of the
editor that you told mutt to use. If you're unhappy with said editor,
just tell mutt that you want to use a different one.


I wasn't aware at all, until today, that I could set up nano to spell
check, but now have it working with Aspell, and, thus, spell check, at
the very least, in English.  However, I write e-mails in 4 different
languages (both icedove, and the gmail online interface allow me to
spell check my messages in any variety of languages).  Does anyone
know of a means to configure nano, and, to work with mutt, so that one
may alternate languages for spell check purposes, as can be done in
icedove, tbird, etc.?


I don't use nano on a regular basis, in fact I was under the impression
that it was some kind of a last resort hack, only useful in environments
with low resources, or when you are dropped to a root shell after a
failed boot-time fsck, etc.

Maybe you need to make sure the dictionaries for the languages you are
writing in are correctly installed.  Besides, if your locale is some
form of unicode, it would make sense that you also have to tell nano
what language it is that he needs to spell check.

As an aside, I also use mutt, with vim as the editor. With vim, spell
checking is as easy as issuing a ":set spell spelllang=whatever" from
Vim's command line...  and optionally mapping a few function keys to
make switching languages fast and convenient.

I'm sure you have excellent reasons for using nano, but I would like to
add that one thing I really like about vim is that you have all the
information you need at your fingertips via the searchable online help.
I'm not sure I would want to make my own an editor that does not provide
documentation and leaves you with a choice between guessing and posting
to a mailing list for help.

CJ





Vim's keybindings are completely insane and non-intuitive.
I've never once made sense of how to use the darned thing in a decade of 
using gnu/linux.

Nano is easy to use, but still powerful and has lotso features.
I've been using it for a long time for quick-n-dirty on the fly hacks, 
etc., when I'm not using tcltext.
I've just never bothered to spellcheck anything with it, since I have 
primarly used it to hack code or config files on the fly.

It was easy enough to find how to turn spellchecking on in nano,
just not how to make multiple languages available and switch from one
to another (perhaps nobody who writes nano documentation uses more than 
one language.  I use four.)

I have all the dictionaries in question installed.
I just want to be able to change languages on-the-fly, so to speak, when
using nano to write mails. (icedove, for instance, allows altering the
language with a click on a drop-down menu, and gmail's online interface
does the same).
I have it working with aspell in the default English.  That was cake.

/tony

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Cannot write to a NFS share.

[Tremolo 3molo]

Hi,

I can't seem to write to the NFS server. I am being root on the client, and
the share is mounted with "rw".
Anyone spot the problem?

NFS server: Debian Lenny, nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.2-6lenny1
NFS client: Debian etch, nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1

NFS Server:
/etc/exports: /home/backup 10.47.17.9(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
No entries in hosts.allow or hosts.deny.

NFS client:
10.47.17.7:/home/backup/ on /dumps type nfs
(rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,addr=10.47.17.7)
client:~# touch /dumps/test
touch: cannot touch `/dumps/test': Permission denied
client:~# cat /dumps/somefile
catting works

No errors in daemon.log..

Re: OT: mutt/nano spellchecking

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 08:39 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> Hi,

> One of the things keeping me from using Mutt as my default mail
> client all the time is the lack of certain spell check features.

> I wasn't aware at all, until today, that I could set up nano to
> spell check, but now have it working with Aspell, and, thus, spell
> check, at the very least, in English.  However, I write e-mails in 4
> different languages (both icedove, and the gmail online interface
> allow me to spell check my messages in any variety of languages).
> Does anyone know of a means to configure nano, and, to work with
> mutt, so that one may alternate languages for spell check purposes,
> as can be done in icedove, tbird, etc.?

By setting the EDITOR environment variable you can direct mutt (and
other programs) to use any editor of your liking.

Hence your question reduces to: which editor is capable of spellchecking
in different languages.  My choice is emacs, ymmv.

HTH
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Re: OT: mutt/nano spellchecking

[Chris Jones]

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 08:39:36AM EDT, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> One of the things keeping me from using Mutt as my default mail client
> all the time is the lack of certain spell check features.  

That's got nothing to do with mutt. Spell-checking is a feature of the
editor that you told mutt to use. If you're unhappy with said editor,
just tell mutt that you want to use a different one.

> I wasn't aware at all, until today, that I could set up nano to spell
> check, but now have it working with Aspell, and, thus, spell check, at
> the very least, in English.  However, I write e-mails in 4 different
> languages (both icedove, and the gmail online interface allow me to
> spell check my messages in any variety of languages).  Does anyone
> know of a means to configure nano, and, to work with mutt, so that one
> may alternate languages for spell check purposes, as can be done in
> icedove, tbird, etc.?

I don't use nano on a regular basis, in fact I was under the impression
that it was some kind of a last resort hack, only useful in environments
with low resources, or when you are dropped to a root shell after a
failed boot-time fsck, etc.

Maybe you need to make sure the dictionaries for the languages you are
writing in are correctly installed.  Besides, if your locale is some
form of unicode, it would make sense that you also have to tell nano
what language it is that he needs to spell check.

As an aside, I also use mutt, with vim as the editor. With vim, spell
checking is as easy as issuing a ":set spell spelllang=whatever" from
Vim's command line...  and optionally mapping a few function keys to
make switching languages fast and convenient.

I'm sure you have excellent reasons for using nano, but I would like to
add that one thing I really like about vim is that you have all the
information you need at your fingertips via the searchable online help.
I'm not sure I would want to make my own an editor that does not provide
documentation and leaves you with a choice between guessing and posting
to a mailing list for help.

CJ


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Re: Installing SId version of Xorg

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,04.Oct.09, 17:26:10, Frank wrote:
 
> > # echo 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local
> > # echo "deb http://your-prefered-mirror/ squeeze main"
> > # >> /etc/apt/sources.list aptitude update
> > # aptitude install -t squeeze xorg
> 
>   Maybe I wasn't clearbut won't that take me back to Squeeze? 
>   How do I get the Sid version installed ?

Oups, too tired last night. This is the correct way:

# echo 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local
# echo "deb http://your-prefered-mirror/ sid main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
# aptitude update
# aptitude install -t sid xorg

Regards,
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