Re: Desktop client(Evolution, Thunderbird): Yahoo, ymail, rocketmail IMAP access

[Scott Ferguson]

On 14/08/11 15:09, yudi v wrote:

Hi,

Is Yahoo, Ymail, Rocketmail access (I am talking about the free access,
not paid) still restricted using IMAP.
I was using Zimbra and it works fine.
Just installed a new system and was wondering if Yahoo made IMAP
accessible to all the clients like Evolution and Thunderbird.

Or is my only option Zimbra? I don't mind using it but would like to�
use evolution if possible. It integrates will with the desktop

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Yudi

Wouldn't Yahoo, Ymail and Rocketmail be the best place to find an answer 
to that question?


For Yahoo the answer is yes, and no. Yahoo provide IMAP access but try 
and restrict it to mobile devices that won't run their Zimbra client. 
You'll have to make your MUA spoof a mobile device id - and you'll be on 
a treadmill...


imap.mail.yahoo.com; SSL – port 993

For the others you're going have to do the work yourself, or get someone 
else to do if for you. (sigh)


Cheers

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Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

[Scott Ferguson]

On 14/08/11 13:57, Thierry Chatelet wrote:

On Sunday 14 August 2011 05:22:27 H Xu wrote:

Hello,

I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's
official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when
the google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty
black region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth
works well.

It might be caused by something related to Qt or OpenGL, but Stellarium,
which is also based on Qt and OpenGL, works well for me.

I'm using Kernel 3.0.

Wish anyone could offer me some help.

Thanks for your patience and time.

Regards,
H Xu
08/14/2011


You could try to install it from debian using googleearth-package. Works fine
for me. But first remove whatever you installed.
Thierry




Either method will give you a black screen with the proprietary Nvidia 
drivers, unless the linux OpenGL library is also installed (from 
experience).
If you have Nvidia proprietary drives try installing mesa-utils and see 
if they require anything else installed - the "anything else" is what is 
required to unblack googleearth (you don't need mesa-utils).


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Re: [OT] Google search default lang.

[Scott Ferguson]

On 14/08/11 04:08, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

Using Google search always returns my results in Spanish because
Google has figured out that my ISP is in a Spanish speaking country.
But I want the results in US Eglish and always have to do an extra
mouse click on 'Google.com in English'


*cough* some unscrupulous ISPs filter, redirect, and even rewrite search 
results - *cough*


To the best of my knowledge Google use geolocation to rank the physical 
location of servers in the search results - but *not* language. Default 
language is determined by your choice of Iceweasel language packs, then 
by system language settings.
Check that dpkg --get-selections | grep iceweasel-l10n-es doesn't return 
anything.





Apparently Google does not record that I always click on that and
adjusts the default language.

Anybody know how to set the default language for search?




Thanks for all the answers.

I tried all of them and only 2 work:

1. putting http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en in the bookmark
bar of google-chrome (Thanks Camale�n). That is always in English.


Which seems to support the idea that your ISP is the problem


2. Changing the search engine to Yahoo. That gets me English. But I hate
Yahoo and its Micro$oft random result producer. I tried changing the
search engine to scroogle and that does not work.


duckduckgo is good.



BTW now (13 Aug. 2011) the option in Google search to show results in
English has gone :-( All results are always in Spanish. So much for the
virtual world. I am in Oaxaca whether I like it or not. And I will speak
and write Spanish, whether I like it or not.

Hugo




I can make the location bar do what you wish...
about:config => keywork.url
make the string value:-
https://encrypted.google.com/search?lr=lang_en&q=

Enter a term into the location bar (not the search bar) and hit Enter

But that *should* not be necessary - my Iceweasel search bar returns my 
results in en.AU regards of whether I'm in Hong Kong (where the ISPs 
have manipulated search results), Texas, or home in Oz. Google does rank 
results with a preference given to physical server locations closest to 
my ISP, but only when I don't have geolocation disabled (see further down).


My Iceweasel language settings are:-
English/Australia [en-au]
English/United Kingdom [en-gb]
English   [en]
English/US[en-us]
(in that order)

Note I don't use the default search plugin - perhaps you could try:-
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/google-search-plugins.html and install a 
specific variation (or hack your existing one to use the keyword.url 
string I supplied above).


To rule out geolocation as the problem 
(http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/geolocation/):-

about:config => geo.

Good luck, feedback appreciated - it does seem to bother a few people.

Cheers


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Leafnode is refusing remote connections

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi all!

I recently migrated my Leafnode server to a OpenVZ virtual machine. I
copied the /etc/news/config configuration file, but I can not get
connect from a remote client (slrn).

The service is listening:

root@hermes:~# netstat -puta | grep nntp
tcp0  0 *:nntp  *:* LISTEN  
747/xinetd



tcpwrappers would allow the remote connection:


root@hermes:~# tcpdmatch leafnode 10.1.0.65
client:   address  10.1.0.65
server:   process  leafnode
matched:  /etc/hosts.allow line 16
option:   ALLOW
access:   granted


Even without active firewall rules, I can not connect remotely:


viper@defiant:~$ telnet hermes.freesoftware 119
Trying 10.1.0.4...
Connected to hermes.freesoftware.
Escape character is '^]'.
502 Remote access denied.
Connection closed by foreign host.


This is the log of the connection attempt:

Aug 14 01:53:36 hermes leafnode[1219]: Refusing connect from 
defiant.freesoftware (10.1.0.65) to hermes.freesoftware (10.1.0.4) (my fqdn: 
hermes.freesoftware), outside the local networks. (Check config.example.)


The local connection is possible:

root@hermes:~# telnet hermes.freesoftware 119
Trying 10.1.0.4...
Connected to hermes.freesoftware.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 Leafnode NNTP Daemon, version 1.11.8 running at hermes.freesoftware (my 
fqdn: hermes.freesoftware)


Aug 14 02:01:57 hermes leafnode[1271]: connect from hermes.freesoftware 
(10.1.0.4) to hermes.freesoftware (10.1.0.4) (my fqdn: hermes.freesoftware)


Which may be why Leafnode believes that IP is outside the local network?

The installed version is 1.11.8-1 from repositories of Debian GNU/Linux
Squeeze.



Thanks in advance for your reply.

Regards,
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Desktop client(Evolution, Thunderbird): Yahoo, ymail, rocketmail IMAP access

[yudi v]

Hi,

Is Yahoo, Ymail, Rocketmail access (I am talking about the free access, not
paid) still restricted using IMAP.
I was using Zimbra and it works fine.
Just installed a new system and was wondering if Yahoo made IMAP accessible
to all the clients like Evolution and Thunderbird.

Or is my only option Zimbra? I don't mind using it but would like to  use
evolution if possible. It integrates will with the desktop

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Yudi

Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

[Heddle Weaver]

On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón  wrote:

After configuring the modem through XP laptop, I can now access the net
through my Debian laptop.
The connection is very glitchy - lots of 'time-outs' - but a definite
improvement.
At least I have access.

I'll just have to iron out the bugs, now, but it's been quite a different
experience.
Regards,

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Re: Installing firmware not available in the kernel

[yudi v]

> The card seems detected so why not installing the suggested firmware
> (review the mentioned doc for instructions on how to do this) and check
> if that works? :-?
>
> Greetings,
> --
> Camaleón
>
> I am not sure how to do this. should I just copy dvb-usb-af9015.fw to
/lib/firmware
Or should I install kernel 2.6.34?
To install Kernel 2.6.34 or higher, I believe I need to enable backports.

I plan to install nvidia's driver and I had a problem before where every
time after a kernel update (this was under Ubuntu), nvidia driver would
break. I don't want to be in the same situation again.

Once I setup the system I don't want to spend too much time fixing it. Whats
the best option under this situation?

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Yudi

Re: Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Sunday 14 August 2011 05:22:27 H Xu wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's
> official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when
> the google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty
> black region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth
> works well.
> 
> It might be caused by something related to Qt or OpenGL, but Stellarium,
> which is also based on Qt and OpenGL, works well for me.
> 
> I'm using Kernel 3.0.
> 
> Wish anyone could offer me some help.
> 
> Thanks for your patience and time.
> 
> Regards,
> H Xu
> 08/14/2011

You could try to install it from debian using googleearth-package. Works fine 
for me. But first remove whatever you installed.
Thierry


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Google earth doesn't display anything on my Debian Wheezy amd64

[H Xu]

Hello,

I've installed the latest stable google earth from the google-earth's 
official website, and installed all of the dependencies. However, when 
the google-earth starts up, it doesn't display the earth, but an empty 
black region. Despite this black region, other part of google earth 
works well.


It might be caused by something related to Qt or OpenGL, but Stellarium, 
which is also based on Qt and OpenGL, works well for me.


I'm using Kernel 3.0.

Wish anyone could offer me some help.

Thanks for your patience and time.

Regards,
H Xu
08/14/2011


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Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

[Heddle Weaver]

On 13 August 2011 01:44, Camaleón  wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:51:25 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote:
>
> > On 11 August 2011 00:01, Camaleón  wrote:
> >
> >> >> then point your web browser to "http://192.168.1.254";.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > With two separate browsers, the same message - "Network is
> >> > unreachable" Restarted the modem, same result.
> >>
> >> (...)
> >>
> >> That's very weird... can you access to that same IP (192.168.1.254)
> >> from another computer in the network?
> >>
> >>
> > I'm afraid that is the network.
> > Just a laptop and the modem.
>
> It would be nice if you can bring up another computer and connect it to
> the same switch to verify if it works or not.
>
> > I've even borrowed a card and tried a connection through 'eth1' to avoid
> > any port problem potentials also.
> > No different reaction.
>
> I assume you have one computer that is connected to one of the ethernet
> ports of the router, right?


Yes.


> If that's the case, and you already reviewed
> all of the external symptoms (e.g., network sockets blink when a cable is
> attached in both ends) there can be happening one of these situations:
>
> - The router has no DHCP server enabled and it is configured to listen in
> another IP address that you don't remember.
>

It's brand new and never been configured before.

>
> If this is the case, a reset could be the fatest way to recover from this
> but be careful with resetting because it can delete your ISP connection
> settings, so if you are not sure what data do you require to setup your
> WAN interface, call to service support so thay can guide you -step by
> step- with a reset procedure.
>
> Another option can be also to use a network device discover tool (like
> angry ip scanner) to find whee is your router located.
>
> - The router is locked/blocked somehow and does not respond to pings. Try
> by power cycling it and check if you can now reach it.
>

yes,I've tried all this, swapped cables everything.

>
> - The router can be broken, request for a replacement.
>

No, at least part of the router is fine.
I've just borrowed somebodies XP laptop and been able to establish a
wireless connection that I'm sending this on.

I've got a new (well, new, secondhand) laptop coming in a fortnight. I might
have to hang out till then.
Thanks.
Regards,

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How to get cedet working in emacs?

[H.S.]

I am trying to follow instructions on
http://alexott.net/en/writings/emacs-devenv/EmacsCedet.html to get
variable completion and other nifty stuff working in Emacs in Debian
Testing. Unfortunately, no success yet. It appears that some things are
broken or not in their older placed due to the recent integration of
Cedet with emacs ... or I could be just doing it wrong.

The link above describes invoking some semantic-* commands.  So far, I
have been successful in getting a buffer listing the possition
completions. However, I don't appear to have the command to get a menu
listing the various suggestions (I have only
semantic-ia-complete-symbol, and not semantic-ia-complete-symbol-menu).

Has somebody got this auto-code-completion stuff working in 23.3.x
emacs? If yes, could you share the emacs config file please.

Thanks.


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Will diff --show-c-function behaves resonably for non C files?

[Regid Ichira]

$ diff --help | grep -e --show-c-function
-p  --show-c-function  Show which C function each change is in.

  Will diff -p behaves reasonably when applied to non C files?
I want to use the -p option in a script that does not necessarily act
on C files? 


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Re: [OT] Google search default lang.

[Walter Hurry]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:39:18 +, Camaleón wrote:

> Google is now forcing their users to use cookies

Not relevant to the original problem I know, but I use





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[still OT?] Google cookie problem - was [Re: [OT] Google search default lang.]

[Richard Owlett]

Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:08:24 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

(...)


Thanks for all the answers.

I tried all of them and only 2 work:

1. putting http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en in the bookmark
bar of google-chrome (Thanks Camaleón). That is always in English.
2. Changing the search engine to Yahoo. That gets me English. But I hate
Yahoo and its Micro$oft random result producer. I tried changing the
search engine to scroogle and that does not work.

BTW now (13 Aug. 2011) the option in Google search to show results in
English has gone :-( All results are always in Spanish. So much for the
virtual world. I am in Oaxaca whether I like it or not. And I will speak
and write Spanish, whether I like it or not.


I finally gave it up.

The first Google page I open from bookmarks it remains in English but
just that, the rest of the pages take their own preferences like if they
were alive, kinda Google-HAL...

(BTW, I cannot completely turn off "auto-completion" nor disabling that
silly snapshot preview for the web pages...).

Google is now forcing their users to use cookies


IS that your experience for http://www.google.com or whatever one 
has to do to access gmail?


I just did a Google search with both JavaScript and cookies disabled 
with no apparent problems. I plead guilty to using WinXP Pro as I've 
yet to find a Linux distro that meets some of my peculiar 
requirements (i do now hereby duck ;)







 (sorry Google but I

always remove all the cookies when I close the browser) and login into
your account to keep/set our settings (and not all of the setting can eb
controlled from there), we like it or not and there is nothing we can do
to change that damn no-sense policies ;-(

Greetings,





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Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

[Itay]

I have just noticed that I replied directly to Camaleon instead of the 
list.  My appologies, Camealeon.  The reply is included below.


Itay

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Itay wrote:


Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:54:50 +0300 (IDT)
From: Itay 
To: Camaleón 
Subject: Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Camaleón wrote:


Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:18:16 + (UTC)
From: Camaleón 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)
Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:18:47 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:28:59 +0300, Itay wrote:


After upgrading to squeeze from lenny I cannot copy photos from the 8GB
memory card.  Worse: the computer freezes, I lose the mouse and the
keyboard (attached via USB) and have to make hard-shutdown. I can mount
the file-system, but very quickly it will appear as if it was never
mounted: cd, ls, etc., will not work.


Does it happen when copying the files using GUI-based tools (like
nautilus or dolphin) or it also happens when you use MC or console?


It happens using command line.


So far using same camera and connection with another card didn't produce
that effect.


Mmm... the card can be wrong, you may think in replacing it or
reformat :-?


Since it works with a different card, this is indeed an option.
But if I'll do it I'll lose the oppurtunity to debug the situation.

The main frustrating thing is that I can't monitor the situation once it 
developes because I lose the keyboard and mouse.


Any suggestions which log files I should check?
Debug options to turn on?

Thanks,
Itay



Using both cards, same camera and connection, on another machine + lenny
doesn't produce this effect either.


Does the same card work on you rsqueeze system when using a card reader?

Greetings,

Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

[Itay]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Camaleón wrote:



Using both cards, same camera and connection, on another machine + lenny
doesn't produce this effect either.


Does the same card work on you rsqueeze system when using a card reader?



I don't have a card reader.  I always dumped the photos directly from 
the camera.


Thanks,
Itay

Re: problem with konqueror surface

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:58:34 +0200
"Hans-J. Ullrich"  wrote:

Hello Hans-J.,

> Can I fix this, without reinstalling konqueror or deleting its
> configuration? How?

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Re: [OT] Google search default lang.

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:08:24 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

(...)

> Thanks for all the answers.
> 
> I tried all of them and only 2 work:
> 
> 1. putting http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en in the bookmark
> bar of google-chrome (Thanks Camaleón). That is always in English. 
> 2. Changing the search engine to Yahoo. That gets me English. But I hate
> Yahoo and its Micro$oft random result producer. I tried changing the
> search engine to scroogle and that does not work.
> 
> BTW now (13 Aug. 2011) the option in Google search to show results in
> English has gone :-( All results are always in Spanish. So much for the
> virtual world. I am in Oaxaca whether I like it or not. And I will speak
> and write Spanish, whether I like it or not.

I finally gave it up. 

The first Google page I open from bookmarks it remains in English but 
just that, the rest of the pages take their own preferences like if they 
were alive, kinda Google-HAL...

(BTW, I cannot completely turn off "auto-completion" nor disabling that 
silly snapshot preview for the web pages...).

Google is now forcing their users to use cookies (sorry Google but I 
always remove all the cookies when I close the browser) and login into 
your account to keep/set our settings (and not all of the setting can eb 
controlled from there), we like it or not and there is nothing we can do 
to change that damn no-sense policies ;-(

Greetings,

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Re: How do you change file associations in Thunar?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:54:45 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:30:32 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> wrote:
 
>> > Where are the file associations in the Thunar file manager, and how
>> > do I change them?  When I click on a file in the Thunar window
>> > manager, I still get AbiWord for *.doc and *.odt files and Gnumeric
>> > for *.xls files.
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> Take a look into this forum thread (specially message #5) and see if
>> that helps:
>> 
>> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76836

> I looked at the /usr/share/mime/glob and /usr/share/mime/glob2 files,
> and it says at the top that these files should not be edited because
> they were generated with the update-mime-database command.
>
> So how do I use the update-mime-database command to make the changes I
> need to make?

Hum... true. That scares a bit, I agree :-)

If you want to take the correct path, take a look at GNOME docs for mime 
types and how to edit them in the right way:

http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/mimetypes-modifying.html.en

or this one from FreeDesktop:

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/AddingMIMETutor

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Re: [OT] Google search default lang.

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

Using Google search always returns my results in Spanish because Google 
has figured out that my ISP is in a Spanish speaking country. But I want 
the results in US Eglish and always have to do an extra mouse click on 
'Google.com in English'


Apparently Google does not record that I always click on that and 
adjusts the default language.


Anybody know how to set the default language for search?




Thanks for all the answers.

I tried all of them and only 2 work:

1. putting http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en in the bookmark 
bar of google-chrome (Thanks Camaleón). That is always in English.
2. Changing the search engine to Yahoo. That gets me English. But I hate 
Yahoo and its Micro$oft random result producer. I tried changing the 
search engine to scroogle and that does not work.


BTW now (13 Aug. 2011) the option in Google search to show results in 
English has gone :-( All results are always in Spanish. So much for the 
virtual world. I am in Oaxaca whether I like it or not. And I will speak 
and write Spanish, whether I like it or not.


Hugo


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Re: problem with konqueror surface

[Sharon Kimble]

On 13 August 2011 16:58, Hans-J. Ullrich  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> on my EEEPC somehow the text above the icons disappeared. I use a German
> layout. I do not mean, the text belonging to the icons, but the complete line
> above the icons "Datei" - "Bearbeiten" - "Gehe zu" . and so on.
>
> Can I fix this, without reinstalling konqueror or deleting its configuration?
> How?

Maybe you just need to resize your konqueror window? Its certainly worth a try.

Sharon.
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Re: LVM write performance

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 8/13/2011 9:45 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
>> Stan Hoeppner  writes:
> 
> […]
> 
>  > The horrible performance with bs=512 is likely due to the LVM block
>  > size being 4096, and forcing block writes that are 1/8th normal size,
>  > causing lots of merging.  If you divide 120MB/s by 8 you get 15MB/s,
>  > which IIRC from your original post, is approximately the write
>  > performance you were seeing, which was 19MB/s.
> 
>   I'm not an expert in that matter either, but I don't seem to
>   recall that LVM uses any “blocks”, other than, of course, the
>   LVM “extents.”
> 
>   What's more important in my opinion is that 4096 is exactly the
>   platform's page size.
> 
> --cut: vgcreate(8) --
>-s, --physicalextentsize PhysicalExtentSize[kKmMgGtT]
>   Sets the physical extent size on physical volumes of this volume
>   group.  A size suffix (k for kilobytes up to t for terabytes) is
>   optional, megabytes is the default if no suffix is present.  The
>   default is 4 MB and it must be at least 1 KB and a power of 2.
> --cut: vgcreate(8) --

To use a water analogy, an extent is a pool used for storing data.  It
has zero to do with transferring the payload.  A block is a bucket used
to carry data to and from the pool.

If one fills his bucket only 1/8th full, it will take 8 times as many
trips (transfers) to fill the pool vs carrying a full bucket each time.
 This is inefficient.  This is a factor in the OP's problem.  This is a
very coarse analogy, and maybe not the best, but gets the overall point
across.

The LVM block (bucket) size is 4kB, which yes, does match the page size,
which is important.  It also matches the default filesystem block size
of all Linux filesystems.  This is not coincidence.  Everything in Linux
is optimized around a 4kB page size, whether memory management or IO.
And to drive the point home that this isn't an LVM or RAID problem, but
a proper use of dd problem, here's a demonstration of the phenomenon on
a single low end internal 7.2k SATA disk w/16MB cache, with a partition
formatted with XFS, write barriers enabled:

t$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=512 count=100
51200 bytes (512 MB) copied, 16.2892 s, 31.4 MB/s

t$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=1024 count=50
51200 bytes (512 MB) copied, 10.5173 s, 48.7 MB/s

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=2048 count=25
51200 bytes (512 MB) copied, 7.77854 s, 65.8 MB/s

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=4096 count=125000
51200 bytes (512 MB) copied, 6.64778 s, 77.0 MB/s

t$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=8192 count=62500
51200 bytes (512 MB) copied, 6.10967 s, 83.8 MB/s

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=16384 count=31250
51200 bytes (512 MB) copied, 6.11042 s, 83.8 MB/s

This test system is rather old, having only 384MB RAM.  I tested with
and without conv=fsync and the results are the same.  This clearly
demonstrates that one should always use a 4kB block size with dd, WRT
HDDs and SSDs, LVM or mdraid, or hardware RAID.  Floppy drives, tape,
and other slower devices probably need a different dd block size.

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problem with konqueror surface

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi list, 

on my EEEPC somehow the text above the icons disappeared. I use a German 
layout. I do not mean, the text belonging to the icons, but the complete line 
above the icons "Datei" - "Bearbeiten" - "Gehe zu" . and so on.

Can I fix this, without reinstalling konqueror or deleting its configuration?
How?

Thanks for any help.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: How do you change file associations in Thunar?

[Jason Hsu]

I looked at the /usr/share/mime/glob and /usr/share/mime/glob2 files, and it 
says at the top that these files should not be edited because they were 
generated with the update-mime-database command.

So how do I use the update-mime-database command to make the changes I need to 
make?

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:30:32 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:39:21 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
> 
> (...)
> 
> > Where are the file associations in the Thunar file manager, and how do I
> > change them?  When I click on a file in the Thunar window manager, I
> > still get AbiWord for *.doc and *.odt files and Gnumeric for *.xls
> > files.
> 
> (...)
> 
> Take a look into this forum thread (specially message #5) and see if that 
> helps:
> 
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76836
>  


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Re: Problem with preseed

[Tom H]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski
 wrote:
> On 08/12/11 15:50, Tom H wrote:
>
> d-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true
> d-i partman/confirm_write_new_label boolean true
>
> I think it was the point!!!
>
> Thanks a lot,

You're welcome, glad it worked.


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Re: LVM write performance

[Ivan Shmakov]

> Stan Hoeppner  writes:

[…]

 > The horrible performance with bs=512 is likely due to the LVM block
 > size being 4096, and forcing block writes that are 1/8th normal size,
 > causing lots of merging.  If you divide 120MB/s by 8 you get 15MB/s,
 > which IIRC from your original post, is approximately the write
 > performance you were seeing, which was 19MB/s.

I'm not an expert in that matter either, but I don't seem to
recall that LVM uses any “blocks”, other than, of course, the
LVM “extents.”

What's more important in my opinion is that 4096 is exactly the
platform's page size.

--cut: vgcreate(8) --
   -s, --physicalextentsize PhysicalExtentSize[kKmMgGtT]
  Sets the physical extent size on physical volumes of this volume
  group.  A size suffix (k for kilobytes up to t for terabytes) is
  optional, megabytes is the default if no suffix is present.  The
  default is 4 MB and it must be at least 1 KB and a power of 2.
--cut: vgcreate(8) --

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Re: LVM write performance

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 8/13/2011 6:53 AM, Dion Kant wrote:

> Stan,
> 
> You are right, with bs=4096 the write performance improves
> significantly. From the man page of dd I concluded that not specifying
> bs selects ibs=512 and obs=512. A bs=512 gives indeed similar
> performance as not specifying bs at all.
> 
> When observing the system with vmstat I see the same (strange) behaviour
> for no bs specified, or bs=512:
> 
> root@dom0-2:~# vmstat 2
> procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system--
> cpu
>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy
> id wa
>  1  0  0 6314620 125988  9161200 0 355  0  0
> 100  0
>  1  1  0 6265404 173744  9144400 2386813 18020 12290  0 
> 0 86 14
>  2  1  0 6214576 223076  9170400 24666 1 18596 12417  0 
> 0 90 10
>  0  1  0 6163004 273172  9144800 25046 0 18867 12614  0 
> 0 89 11
>  1  0  0 6111308 323252  9159200 25042 0 18861 12608  0 
> 0 92  8
>  0  1  0 6059860 373220  9164800 24984 0 18821 12578  0 
> 0 85 14
>  0  1  0 6008164 423304  9150800 25040 0 18863 12611  0 
> 0 95  5
>  2  1  0 5956344 473468  9160400 25084 0 18953 12630  0 
> 0 95  5
>  0  1  0 5904896 523548  9153200 25038 0 18867 12607  0 
> 0 87 13
>  0  1  0 5896068 528680  9152000  2558 99597 2431 1373  0  0
> 92  8
>  0  2  0 5896088 528688  9152000 0 73736  535  100  0  0
> 86 13
>  0  1  0 5896128 528688  9152000 0 73729  545   99  0  0
> 88 12
>  1  0  0 6413920  28712  916120054  2996  634  372  0  0
> 95  4
>  0  0  0 6413940  28712  9152000 0 0   78   80  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6413940  28712  9152000 0 0   94   97  0  0
> 100  0
> 
> Remarkable behaviour in the sense that there is a lot of bi in the
> beginning and finally I see bo at 75 MB/s.

That might be due to massive merges, but I'm not really a kernel hacker
so I can't say for sure.

> With obs=4096 it looks like
> 
> root@dom0-2:~# vmstat 2
> procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system--
> cpu
>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy
> id wa
>  1  0  0 6413600  28744  9154000 0 355  0  0
> 100  0
>  1  0  0 6413724  28744  9154000 0 0  103   96  0  0
> 100  0
>  1  0  0 6121616 312880  9120800 018  457  133  1  2
> 97  0
>  0  1  0 5895588 528756  9154000 0 83216  587   88  1  3
> 90  6
>  0  1  0 5895456 528756  9154000 0 73728  539   98  0  0
> 92  8
>  0  3  0 5895400 528760  9153600 0 73735  535   93  0  0
> 86 14
>  1  0  0 6413520  28788  914360054 19359  783  376  0  0
> 93  6
>  0  0  0 6413544  28788  9154000 0 2  100   84  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6413544  28788  9154000 0 0   86   87  0  0
> 100  0
>  0  0  0 6413552  28796  9153200 010  110  113  0  0
> 100  0
> 
> As soon as I select a bs which is not a whole multiple of 4096, I get a
> lot of block input and a bad performance for writing data to disk.

> I'll try to Google your mentioned thread(s) on this. I still feel not
> very satisfied with your explanation though.

My explanation to you wasn't fully correct.  I confused specifying no
block size with specifying an insanely large block size.  The other post
I was referring to dealt with people using a 1GB (or larger) block size
because it made the math easier for them when wanting to write a large
test file.

Instead of dividing their total file size by 4096 and using the result
for "bs=4096 count=X" (which is the proper method I described to you)
they were simply specifying, for example, "bs=2G count=1" to write a 2
GB test file.  Doing this causes the massive buffering I described, and
consequently, horrible performance, typically by a factor of 10 or more,
depending on the specific system.

The horrible performance with bs=512 is likely due to the LVM block size
being 4096, and forcing block writes that are 1/8th normal size, causing
lots of merging.  If you divide 120MB/s by 8 you get 15MB/s, which IIRC
from your original post, is approximately the write performance you were
seeing, which was 19MB/s.

If my explanation doesn't seem thorough enough that's because I'm not a
kernel expert.  I'm just have a little better than average knowledge/
understanding of some of aspects of the kernel.

If you want a really good explanation of the reasons behind this dd
block size behavior while writing to a raw LVM device, try posting to
lkml proper or one of the sub lists dealing with LVM and the block
layer.  Also, I'm sure some of the expert developers on the XFS list
could answer this as well, though it would be a little OT there, unless
of course your filesystem test yielding the 120MB/s 

Re: LVM write performance

[Dion Kant]

On 08/09/2011 07:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 8/9/2011 9:12 AM, Dion Kant wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your remarks. The disk info is given below. Writing to the
>> disk is oke when mounted, so I think it is not a hardware/alignment
>> issue.  However your remarks made me do some additional investigations:
>>
>> 1. dd of=/dev/sdb4 if=/dev/zero gives similar results, so it has nothing
>> to do with LVM;
>> 2. My statement about writing like this on an openSUSE kernel is wrong.
>> Also with openSUSE and the same hardware I get similar (slow) results
>> when writing to the disk using dd via the device file.
>>
>> So now the issue has diverted to the asymmetric behaviour when
>> writing/reading using dd directly through the (block) device file.
>>
>> Reading with dd if=/dev/sdb4 of=/dev/null gives disk limited performance
>> Writing with dd of=/dev/sdb4 if=/dev/zero gives about a factor 10 less
>> performance.
> Run:
> /$ dd of=/dev/sdb4 if=/dev/zero bs=4096 count=50
>
> Then run again with bs=512 count=200
>
> That will write 2GB in 4KB blocks and will prevent dd from trying to
> buffer everything before writing it.  You don't break out of this--it
> finishes on it's own due to 'count'.  The second run with use a block
> size of 512B, which is the native sector size of the Seagate disk.
> Either of these should improve your actual dd performance dramatically.
>
> When you don't specify a block size with dd, dd attempts to "buffer" the
> entire input stream, or huge portions of it, into memory before writing
> it out.  If you look at RAM, swap usage, and disk IO while running your
> 'raw' dd test, you'll likely see both memory, and IO to the swap device,
> are saturated, with little actual data being written to the target disk
> partition.
>
> I attempted to nudge you into finding this information on your own, but
> you apparently did not.  I explained all of this not long ago, either
> here or on the linux-raid list.  It should be in Google somewhere.
> Never use dd without specifying the proper block size of the target
> device--never.  For a Linux filesystem this will be 4096 and for a raw
> hard disk device it will be 512, optimally anyway.  Other values may
> give better performance, depending on the system, the disk controller,
> and device driver, etc.
>
> That Seagate isn't an AF model so sector alignment isn't the issue here,
> just improper use of dd.right. 
>
Stan,

You are right, with bs=4096 the write performance improves
significantly. From the man page of dd I concluded that not specifying
bs selects ibs=512 and obs=512. A bs=512 gives indeed similar
performance as not specifying bs at all.

When observing the system with vmstat I see the same (strange) behaviour
for no bs specified, or bs=512:

root@dom0-2:~# vmstat 2
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system--
cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy
id wa
 1  0  0 6314620 125988  9161200 0 355  0  0
100  0
 1  1  0 6265404 173744  9144400 2386813 18020 12290  0 
0 86 14
 2  1  0 6214576 223076  9170400 24666 1 18596 12417  0 
0 90 10
 0  1  0 6163004 273172  9144800 25046 0 18867 12614  0 
0 89 11
 1  0  0 6111308 323252  9159200 25042 0 18861 12608  0 
0 92  8
 0  1  0 6059860 373220  9164800 24984 0 18821 12578  0 
0 85 14
 0  1  0 6008164 423304  9150800 25040 0 18863 12611  0 
0 95  5
 2  1  0 5956344 473468  9160400 25084 0 18953 12630  0 
0 95  5
 0  1  0 5904896 523548  9153200 25038 0 18867 12607  0 
0 87 13
 0  1  0 5896068 528680  9152000  2558 99597 2431 1373  0  0
92  8
 0  2  0 5896088 528688  9152000 0 73736  535  100  0  0
86 13
 0  1  0 5896128 528688  9152000 0 73729  545   99  0  0
88 12
 1  0  0 6413920  28712  916120054  2996  634  372  0  0
95  4
 0  0  0 6413940  28712  9152000 0 0   78   80  0  0
100  0
 0  0  0 6413940  28712  9152000 0 0   94   97  0  0
100  0

Remarkable behaviour in the sense that there is a lot of bi in the
beginning and finally I see bo at 75 MB/s.

With obs=4096 it looks like

root@dom0-2:~# vmstat 2
procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system--
cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy
id wa
 1  0  0 6413600  28744  9154000 0 355  0  0
100  0
 1  0  0 6413724  28744  9154000 0 0  103   96  0  0
100  0
 1  0  0 6121616 312880  9120800 018  457  133  1  2
97  0
 0  1  0 5895588 528756  9154000 0 83216  587   88  1  3
90  6
 0  1  0 5895456 528756  9154000 0 73728  539   98  0  0
92  8
 0  3  0 5895400 528760  9153600 0 73735  535   93  0  0
86 14
 1  0  0 6413520  28788  914360054 19359

Re: cdrom-detect udeb package in netinstall CD of Lenny

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 07:09:26 +0530, Ravi Roy wrote:

> I am using netinstall 5.0.4 of Lenny and I wonder if somone can throw
> some light on cdrom-detect udeb package which is part of debian
> installer. I can not find cdrom-detect.udeb in debian netinstall CD of
> lenny. 

It is here:

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/cdrom-detect

And that package contains one file, a small script named "15cdrom-detect".

I wouldn't worry about the availability of the package but the checksum 
of the ISO. If it is okay, then all is fine.

> Reason to ask this is to understand that what is the flow of
> CD/DVD-Rom detection and mount or how it works at lower level.

For this I can't tell, but you can download the ".deb" and read by 
yourself the script :-)

Greetings,

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Re: Installing firmware not available in the kernel

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:50:10 +1000, yudi v wrote:

> I am trying to get my USB DVB-T tuner working, dmesg says it needs
> dvb-usb-af9015.fw firmware, and also
> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalNow_TinyTwin_DVB-T_Receiver
> says it's supported since 2.6.34 (version2), I am on 2.6.32, should I
> move to 2.6.34 or higher or is there another way to get this working?

(...)

The card seems detected so why not installing the suggested firmware 
(review the mentioned doc for instructions on how to do this) and check 
if that works? :-?

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Re: How do you change file associations in Thunar?

[AG]

On 12/08/11 23:39, Jason Hsu wrote:

OS: antiX Linux M11 (based on MEPIS)
File managers: Thunar and ROX-Filer
Window manager: IceWM

I know that the file associations in the Rox-Filer file manager are in the 
~/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/MIME-types directory.  These scripts control what 
application opens up when I click on a file in the Rox-Filer file manager.

Where are the file associations in the Thunar file manager, and how do I change 
them?  When I click on a file in the Thunar window manager, I still get AbiWord 
for *.doc and *.odt files and Gnumeric for *.xls files.

Please note that I'm aware of right-click ->  Open with Another Application.  
I'm looking for the solution that involves command line or directly editing files, 
as I need to automate the procedure on behalf of Swift Linux users.


Jason

While I can't help with the command line solution you are seeking, I 
have found that by right clicking on the file you wish to open (e.g. a 
*.doc) and selecting "properties" from the context menu, you can then 
change the association in a way that is far more permanent than trying 
to fix it via the "open with" option.


But, as I admitted, this will not help you with the command line solution.

AG


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Öko-Waschkissen

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ÖKO-WASCHKISSEN!!!
Nie wieder Waschpulver! 

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Installing firmware not available in the kernel

[yudi v]

Hi,

I am trying to get my USB DVB-T tuner working, dmesg says it needs
dvb-usb-af9015.fw firmware, and also
http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalNow_TinyTwin_DVB-T_Receiver says
it's supported since 2.6.34 (version2), I am on 2.6.32, should I move to
2.6.34 or higher or is there another way to get this working? here's dmesg
output:

[10102.576484] usb 1-7.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and
address 12
[10102.672982] usb 1-7.3: New USB device found, idVendor=13d3,
idProduct=3226
[10102.672989] usb 1-7.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
SerialNumber=3
[10102.672994] usb 1-7.3: Product: DVB-T 2
[10102.672999] usb 1-7.3: Manufacturer: Afatech
[10102.673003] usb 1-7.3: SerialNumber: 01010101061
[10102.673202] usb 1-7.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[10102.694719] dvb-usb: found a 'DigitalNow TinyTwin DVB-T Receiver' in cold
state, will try to load a firmware
[10102.694732] usb 1-7.3: firmware: requesting dvb-usb-af9015.fw
[10102.698712] dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-af9015.fw)
Please see linux/Documentation/dvb/ for more details on firmware-problems.
(-2)
[10102.698731] dvb_usb_af9015: probe of 1-7.3:1.0 failed with error -2
[10102.702804] input: Afatech DVB-T 2 as
/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.7/usb1/1-7/1-7.3/1-7.3:1.1/input/input16
[10102.702985] generic-usb 0003:13D3:3226.0005: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.01
Keyboard [Afatech DVB-T 2] on usb-:00:1d.7-7.3/input1

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Yudi

Re: How to install non-free firmware after installing Debian

[yudi v]

Thanks
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Yudi

Re: sound device or resource busy

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:24:05 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Running Sid. Which just upgraded libaudio2, libaudio-dev and nas from
> 1.9.2-7 to 1.9.2-8.
> 
> I run 2 sound apps: mplayer(sound nly)  and a nas app, that uses nas and
> libaudio2 and liaudio-dev.
> 
> Since the upgrade I can only run 1: either the nas app or mplayer, and
> for the other I get:
> 
> [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Device or resource busy
> 
> I think it is a bug. But or what package?

How about opening two audio players instances, both from a local source? 
Does it work?

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Re: How do you change file associations in Thunar?

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:39:21 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:

(...)

> Where are the file associations in the Thunar file manager, and how do I
> change them?  When I click on a file in the Thunar window manager, I
> still get AbiWord for *.doc and *.odt files and Gnumeric for *.xls
> files.

(...)

Take a look into this forum thread (specially message #5) and see if that 
helps:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76836
 
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Re: squeeze freeze while copying from camera mem card (via USB)

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:28:59 +0300, Itay wrote:

> After upgrading to squeeze from lenny I cannot copy photos from the 8GB
> memory card.  Worse: the computer freezes, I lose the mouse and the
> keyboard (attached via USB) and have to make hard-shutdown. I can mount
> the file-system, but very quickly it will appear as if it was never
> mounted: cd, ls, etc., will not work.

Does it happen when copying the files using GUI-based tools (like 
nautilus or dolphin) or it also happens when you use MC or console?

> So far using same camera and connection with another card didn't produce
> that effect.

Mmm... the card can be wrong, you may think in replacing it or 
reformat :-?
 
> Using both cards, same camera and connection, on another machine + lenny
> doesn't produce this effect either.

Does the same card work on you rsqueeze system when using a card reader?

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Re: Unidentified subject! (wireless installation problem)

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:30:40 -0700, gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I started another install, had the same problem not detecting my WPA
> network. It still couldn't detect either of the two unprotected
> networks, even when I specified their ESSIDs.

WPA won't work. WEP encrypted network should, unless they have additional 
security messaures (like MAC filters). Can you successfully connect to 
those WEP APs from a LiveCD on the laptop you are trying to install?

> Pulled from the syslog, here you see it finding the firmware:

(...)

Loading the firmware is the first step for setting up your wifi. There 
can be still lots of problems after that...
 
> Aug 12 20:50:02 kernel: [   85.368183] Registered led device: iwl-phy0::assoc
> 
> The last 6 lines above repeated at least a dozen times in the syslog.
> 
> then later when I'm trying the different networks:

(...)

> Aug 12 20:54:13 main-menu[430]: (process:5459): udhcpc: has been called with 
> an unknown param: leasefail
> Aug 12 20:54:13 main-menu[430]: (process:5459): Read error: Network is down, 
> reopening socket

(...)

> The first six lines above repeated about a dozen times, don't know if
> that's related to the other repeating lines earlier.

>From a full installed system, you have more margin to debug this, like 
scanning for visible APs using "iw" but here your options are very 
limited.
 
> From Camaleón's comment, it sounds like using a wireless network to do
> an install is generally a problem, has anyone had success with a
> wireless install? I'm worried if I ever need to reinstall when I'm not
> in my home, it would not work. I don't know if I could get a wired
> network port away from home.

It does not have to be a problem, but I would avoid it as much as I can 
because a wifi link can go down or break very easily and there are no 
tools for monitor the quality of the wifi link from the installer. If you 
can install from DVD or USB, I would go that way.

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Re: wheezy won't boot any more -- SOLVED

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:36:37 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> Just upgraded a squeeze system to wheezy.  It rebooted and ran just fine
> (except that my scanner still doesn't work, but that's another issue.)
> Then I did dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc.  It checked it was safe to adopt
> the new parallel boot, and subsequently the machine booted faster.
> 
> But today it won't boot.  It seems to start up fine, but then it gets
> suck after the message "Starting NFS common utilitues: statd"
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

Taking a clue from but report 612002, I booted squeeze (s copy that was 
still lurking on another partition) and chrooted into wheezy's root 
partition.  I fired out aptitude, and found that was blocked from 
upgrading from a previous version.  aptitude was suggesting removing nfs-
common altogether, which i refused to do.  But looking at the 
altermatives, one of them was to remove portmap, which conflicted with 
rpcbind.  The descriptions of these two packages seemed at least somewhat 
similar, so I decided to try letting it remove portmap.  It upgraded nfs-
common to 1:1.2.4-1, and noew it boots.

By the way, when I chrooted to the wheezy system, aptitude complained 
that it couldn't find the lock /var/lock/aptitude, but it ran anyway.  
It's not clear to me why it would work without being able to access the 
lock, though I'm glad it did.

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Re: Unidentified subject! (wireless installation problem)

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:29:25 -0700, gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Sorry, you're right that was the wired interface, I must have cut n
> pasted the wrong line, my wireless is:
> 
> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
> [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)

Ah, that makes more sense :-)

> I'm sorry to hear the installer only supports WEP. That would make it
> hard for anyone without a wired connection.

(...)

That's what the installer manual says:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#network-cards

While I agree that having only the WEP option for the installer is a bit 
limited, at least is better than none. Anyway, I would not think in 
installing an OS while sitting on the bus stop or in a place where I 
can't control/know the network status... again, installing an OS is not 
like fetching a bunch of apps for your on-the-go mobile device :-)

Besides, setting up a wireless adapter can be hard. I mean you can face 
many errors that are not so obvious to debug and installer is not the 
best place from where to start debugging your wifi problems because your 
resources here are very restricted.

For those without a wired connection available, installing entirely from 
CD/DVD (or USB) is another option.

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Re: Unidentified subject! (wireless installation problem)

[gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com]

Clonezilla looks interesting I wasn't aware of that, thanks

I could also get around the problem by planning ahead and copy a fairly 
complete 
set of deb files from the fully configured system to a memory stick. But that 
method and clonezilla assume you're reinstalling the same release of debian on 
the same hardware.

At one point, I installed the system with only the first CD and accidentally 
didn't configure apt to pull anything from the network. I was ticked that I 
skipped over it because I wasn't paying attention, so I didn't think to check 
if 
it had all the tools to setup wireless networking. I might try that again later 
just see. I blew it away and setup a system using the wired NIC then switched 
to 
wireless later, which didn't require any rigmarole at all. I seem to remember 
it 
being a pain getting the system to automatically use the wireless when I last 
did this (a year or so ago, most likely during lenny's reign), but it worked 
perfectly this time. I'm messing with the 3D acceleration currently. Once I get 
that worked out I'll see if the first CD has enough packages to get the 
wireless 
working.




- Original Message 
From: Lisi 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Sat, August 13, 2011 3:21:17 AM
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (wireless installation problem)

On Friday 12 August 2011 22:30:40 gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote:
> From Camaleón's comment, it sounds like using a wireless network to do an
> install is generally a problem, has anyone had success with a wireless
> install? I'm worried if I ever need to reinstall when I'm not in my home,
> it would not work. I don't know if I could get a wired network port away
> from home.

When your system is set up to your satisfaction, take a copy (e.g. with 
Clonezilla).  Then, if you need to reinstall, just reinstall form that.

Lisi


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Re: Unidentified subject! (wireless installation problem)

[Lisi]

On Friday 12 August 2011 22:30:40 gnubayonne-debian...@yahoo.com wrote:
> From Camaleón's comment, it sounds like using a wireless network to do an
> install is generally a problem, has anyone had success with a wireless
> install? I'm worried if I ever need to reinstall when I'm not in my home,
> it would not work. I don't know if I could get a wired network port away
> from home.

When your system is set up to your satisfaction, take a copy (e.g. with 
Clonezilla).  Then, if you need to reinstall, just reinstall form that.

Lisi


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