unable to add map

2012-04-08 Thread M.S. Slimani
Bonjour;

J'ai un probleme avec la configuration du dns dynamique avec dhcp, il
y'a une erreur qui persiste :

unable to add map  time out.

quelqu'un a t'il deja eu ce probleme ?

Merci d'avance.

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Mise à jour

2012-04-08 Thread JB
Bonjour,
j'ai eu une icone dans la barre de tache me proposant des MAJ,
j'ouvre, 870 propositions,
je les accepte, donc étape de téléchargement puis
execution
et cela mouline, mouline..
j'ai fait quitter
ensuite apt-get update et apt-get upgrade
une erreur car d'habitude cela marché bien:
Préconfiguration des paquets...
dpkg : erreur : erreur de
configuration : /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch:1 : option «
foreign-architecture » inconnue
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
root@alpha30:~# 

à priori erreur code 2 c'est fichier non trouvé?!§§
pouvez-vous me sortir de cette anomalie
merci d'avance
JB1
 

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Re: Mise à jour

2012-04-08 Thread Yann PENIGUEL
Peux-tu fournir les fichiers suivants?
- /etc/apt/sources.list
- /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg
- /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, JB jacques.briq...@orange.fr wrote:

 Bonjour,
 j'ai eu une icone dans la barre de tache me proposant des MAJ,
 j'ouvre, 870 propositions,
 je les accepte, donc étape de téléchargement puis
 execution
 et cela mouline, mouline..
 j'ai fait quitter
 ensuite apt-get update et apt-get upgrade
 une erreur car d'habitude cela marché bien:
 Préconfiguration des paquets...
 dpkg : erreur : erreur de
 configuration : /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch:1 : option «
 foreign-architecture » inconnue
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
 root@alpha30:~#

 à priori erreur code 2 c'est fichier non trouvé?!§§
 pouvez-vous me sortir de cette anomalie
 merci d'avance
 JB1


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Re: Mise à jour

2012-04-08 Thread JB
Le dimanche 08 avril 2012 à 17:42 +0200, Yann PENIGUEL a écrit :
 Peux-tu fournir les fichiers suivants?
 - /etc/apt/sources.list
 - /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg
 - /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
 
 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, JB jacques.briq...@orange.fr wrote:
 Bonjour,
 j'ai eu une icone dans la barre de tache me proposant des MAJ,
 j'ouvre, 870 propositions,
 je les accepte, donc étape de téléchargement puis
 execution
 et cela mouline, mouline..
 j'ai fait quitter
 ensuite apt-get update et apt-get upgrade
 une erreur car d'habitude cela marché bien:
 Préconfiguration des paquets...
 dpkg : erreur : erreur de
 configuration : /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch:1 : option «
 foreign-architecture » inconnue
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
 root@alpha30:~#
 
 à priori erreur code 2 c'est fichier non trouvé?!
 §§
 pouvez-vous me sortir de cette anomalie
 merci d'avance
 JB1
 
 
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 pour sources.list:
root@alpha30:/etc/apt# pg sources.list
## /etc/apt/sources.list

## debian security repository

  deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
non-free
  deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
non-free
  deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates  main contrib
non-free
  deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates  main contrib
non-free

## debian principal repository

  deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
  deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
  deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable  main contrib non-free
  deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable  main contrib non-free

deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
(EOF):

pour dpkg.cfg:

root@alpha30:/etc/apt#
cd ../dpg   
  
-su: cd: ../dpg: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
root@alpha30:/etc/apt# cd ../dpkg
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg# ls
dpkg.cfg  dpkg.cfg.d  origins  shlibs.default  shlibs.override
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg# pg dpkg.cfg
# dpkg configuration file
#
# This file can contain default options for dpkg.  All command-line
# options are allowed.  Values can be specified by putting them after
# the option, separated by whitespace and/or an `=' sign.
#

# Do not enable debsig-verify by default; since the distribution is not
using
# embedded signatures, debsig-verify would reject all packages.
no-debsig

# Log status changes and actions to a file.
log /var/log/dpkg.log
(EOF):

pour le dernier:
log /var/log/dpkg.log
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg#
ls  
 
dpkg.cfg  dpkg.cfg.d  origins  shlibs.default  shlibs.override
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg# cd dp*d
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d# ls
multiarch
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d# pg multiarch
foreign-architecture i386
root@alpha30:/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d#  

 


mon architecture est 64 bits Intel, pour Wheezy
c'est la 2° fois que je vois i386

merci de consacrer un peu de temps
A+
JB1


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Re: Mise à jour

2012-04-08 Thread JB
Le dimanche 08 avril 2012 à 17:42 +0200, Yann PENIGUEL a écrit :

une remarque, le fichier /var/log/dpkg.log est vide
A+
JB1


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Re : Mise à jour

2012-04-08 Thread nicolas . patrois
Le 08/04/2012 18:07:54, JB a écrit :

 mon architecture est 64 bits Intel, pour Wheezy
 c'est la 2° fois que je vois i386

 merci de consacrer un peu de temps

Mon petit doigt me dit que c’est packagekit qui bosse.

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
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Re: Mise à jour

2012-04-08 Thread Yann PENIGUEL
Essaie:
# apt-get install dpkg
qui mettra a jour uniquement dpkg.

Si ça ne passe pas:
# mv /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch.old
et retente le apt-get upgrade puis restaure le fichier multiarch après coup.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM, JB jacques.briq...@orange.fr wrote:

 Le dimanche 08 avril 2012 à 17:42 +0200, Yann PENIGUEL a écrit :

 une remarque, le fichier /var/log/dpkg.log est vide
 A+
 JB1





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Re: [OT] Unas risas para el April fools' day

2012-04-08 Thread Javier Barroso
El 07/04/2012 19:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:19:35 +0200, Javier Barroso escribió:

 (te perdono el top-posting y el html porque me he reído una jartá
 leyendo los comentarios :-P)
Sorry again ... Estos del android ... Es un latazo buscar / copiar enlace y
pegar ... Y estar al tanto del dichoso html y el top posting ... (excusas
malas) Lo mejor es desengancharse del móvil ..


  Yo me reí con el itp dedupdedup [1] y la respuesta (otro itp [2])
 
  No sé si es q mi nivel de debianita está llegando a límites
  insospechados! :)
 
  Saludos!
 
  [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg5.html
 
  [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00026.html

 Je, je... los campos de control del segundo ITP molan:

 (...)
  Version : π
 (...)
 * URL or Web page : gopher://err.no/aekeech6

Original q es el tío :)

Pd: perdonad si este va también con html ... El móvil no me deja leer la
página de google donde dice si es posible o no desactivarlo, yo no
encuentro la opción y en algún foro dicen q no es posible ...


Re: Problema compilando driver rtl8187L en Debian Squeeze desde NetInstall

2012-04-08 Thread Francesc Guitart
Buenas,

El sáb, 07-04-2012 a las 19:34 -0430, frederit mogollon escribió:
 Buenas noches. Un saludo. Soy nuvo en ésta lista. Explico mi problema:
 
 Tengo un portátil Síragon Canaima NB3050, con procesador Intel Celeron
 M430 1,7 GHz, 512 MB de RAM, un HD de 120 GB, tarjeta gráfica VIA
 CN700/P4M800, tarjeta ethernet VIA VT6102 y tarjeta Wi-Fi AW-GU700 con
 chipset Realtek RTL8187L.
 
 Previa revisión bibliográfica extensa, hice una instalación mínima de
 Debian Squeeze con NetInstall desde una unidad USB usando conexión
 LAN. Instalé lo necesario para tener un sistema Debian funcional, con
 kernel 2.6.32-5-686, con entorno Gnome mínimo y la aplicación wicd
 como gestor de redes. Todo bien, excepto que al intentar compilar e
 instalar el driver rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release.tar.gz
 (previamente descargado desde el sitio web oficial de Realtek), me
 lanza un error y no puedo proseguir.
 Aclaro que mi usuario es fdmogollon, entro desde una terminal de root
 y el archivo comprimido del driver lo tengo en la carpeta Descargas.
 A continuación coloco lo que me arroja la terminal durante el proceso:


[..]


 Entonces, ordeno make y obtengo ésto:
 
 
 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187#
 make
 make -C /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae/build
 M=/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187
 CC=gcc modules
 make: *** /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae/build: No existe el
 fichero o el directorio.  Alto.
 make: *** [modules] Error 2
 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187#
 
 
 Aquí pensé que era necesario el kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae, y lo
 instalé desde los repositorios squeeze-backports, entonces lo intento
 de nuevo y obtengo lo mismo:

Que paquetes has instalado para instalar el kernel 3.2? 

No controlo mucho este tipo de cosas pero creo que faltan las fuentes o
las cabeceras. Prueba instalando también linux-sources-3.2... y
linux-headers-3.2...



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Re: [OT] Firefox 11 con caché de datos en disco duro

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:04:50 +0100, Rodolfo Vargas escribió:

(tu webmail ha destrozado las citas...)

 Que pena que lo hayan sacado (firefox 11) por default, era una muy buena
 técnica para lograr capturar algunos archivos, videos y otras cosas por
 ese medio...

Aún se puede hacer, ojo, pero tienes que desactivar la opción de eliminar 
el contenido del caché al cerrar el navegador, y por ahí no paso porque 
te quedas con toda la basura que van dejando los sitios web en tu disco 
duro y tienes que acordarte de eliminar esos datos manualmente.

 Pues para videos en formato flv u otro pues creo que los complementos de
 firefox es una buena alternativa :), hace mucho que hacía las descargas
 con los temporales del querido internet explorer y el firefox, pero
 luego de concer los complemnetos ya no tengo necesidad de la cache :),
 bueno amiga Camaleon, paciencia y mejor usa complemento por ahora hasta
 que lo vuelvan a poner como antes, saludos.

Sí, los complementos que permiten descargar vídeos y elementos multimedia 
están bien pero es una pena perder opciones de configuración en Firefox 
de una forma tan gratuita, tan a la ligera... en fin, al final he abierto 
un bug en Mozilla, aunque seguramente lo dejen como está por lo menos ahí 
queda registrada la queja:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743337

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Re: Problema compilando driver rtl8187L en Debian Squeeze desde NetInstall

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 07 Apr 2012 19:34:34 -0430, frederit mogollon escribió:

 Buenas noches. Un saludo. Soy nuvo en ésta lista. 

Hola :-)

 Explico mi problema:
 
 Tengo un portátil Síragon Canaima NB3050, con procesador Intel Celeron
 M430 1,7 GHz, 512 MB de RAM, un HD de 120 GB, tarjeta gráfica VIA
 CN700/P4M800, tarjeta ethernet VIA VT6102 y tarjeta Wi-Fi AW-GU700 con
 chipset Realtek RTL8187L.
 
 Previa revisión bibliográfica extensa, hice una instalación mínima de
 Debian Squeeze con NetInstall desde una unidad USB usando conexión LAN.
 Instalé lo necesario para tener un sistema Debian funcional, con kernel
 2.6.32-5-686, con entorno Gnome mínimo y la aplicación wicd como
 gestor de redes. Todo bien, excepto que al intentar compilar e instalar
 el driver rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release.tar.gz (previamente
 descargado desde el sitio web oficial de Realtek), me lanza un error y
 no puedo proseguir.

Antes de nada... ¿por qué has compilado el driver? ¿has comprobado si el 
kernel que incluye squeeze tiene soporte para tu adaptador wifi?

Según la página de la wiki de Debian debería está soportado por el módulo 
rtl8187:

http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x#supported-rtl8187

 Aclaro que mi usuario es fdmogollon, entro desde una terminal de root y
 el archivo comprimido del driver lo tengo en la carpeta Descargas. A
 continuación coloco lo que me arroja la terminal durante el proceso:
 
 
 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon# cd
 Descargasroot@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas# tar -zxvf
 rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release.tar.gz
 rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/

(...)

 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release#
 ./configure
 bash: ./configure: No existe el fichero o el directorio

Y tiene razón, no existe ese archivo en la ruta dada.

 Hasta aquí veo que no encuentra el archivo, y pensé que era porque el
 código fuente del driver está dentro de la subcarpeta rtl8187, así que
 voy hasta ese directorio y lo intento de nuevo y obtengo lo siguiente:
 
 
 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187#
 ./configure
 bash: ./configure: No existe el fichero o el directorio

Y sigue teniendo razón, no hay ningún archivo .configure.

¿Has leído el archivo readme para ver cómo se compila y qué requisitos 
te pide?

 Por si me estoy saltando algo, reviso el contenido de un archivo
 ReadMe que se encuentra dentro de la carpeta descomprimida
 rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release y que dice:

(...)

Eso es :-)

Bueno, te indica que lo puedes compilar de dos formas, pero básicamente 
tienes que ejecutar make, make install, reiniciar el equipo y configurar 
la red (si lo que quieres es compilarlo).

 Haciendo lo que entiendo del texto, ordeno Makefile ya dentro de la
 subcarpeta rtl8187 y obtengo ésto:

¿De dónde sacas el Makefile? :-???

 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187#
 Makefile
 bash: Makefile: no se encontró la orden

Cierto porque ese comando no existe.

 Entonces, ordeno make y obtengo ésto:

Por fin :-)

 root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187#
 make
 make -C /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae/build
 M=/home/fdmogollon/Descargas/rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/rtl8187
 CC=gcc modules
 make: *** /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae/build: No existe el fichero o el 
 directorio.  Alto.
 make: *** [modules] Error 2

Un momento... ese kernel no es que lleva squeeze sino que es de los backports. 
Menudo jaleo tienes.

 Aquí pensé que era necesario el kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae, y lo
 instalé desde los repositorios squeeze-backports, entonces lo intento de
 nuevo y obtengo lo mismo:

(...)

No, no... eso no es así, no te está diciendo eso. 

Además, no instales un kernel tan a la ligera a no ser que lo necesites por 
algo concreto. En fin, te recomiendo que dejes la compilación a un lado y que 
pruebes a configurar tu adaptador con el módulo que incluye el kernel, salvo 
que tengas algún problema concreto y no te funcione, en cuyo caso la 
compilación 
sería la siguiente alternativa.

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Re: Problema compilando driver rtl8187L en Debian Squeeze desde NetInstall

2012-04-08 Thread Jhosue Rui

El 07/04/12 19:34, frederit mogollon escribió:

Buenas noches. Un saludo. Soy nuvo en ésta lista. Explico mi problema:

Tengo un portátil Síragon Canaima NB3050, con procesador Intel Celeron
M430 1,7 GHz, 512 MB de RAM, un HD de 120 GB, tarjeta gráfica VIA
CN700/P4M800, tarjeta ethernet VIA VT6102 y tarjeta Wi-Fi AW-GU700 con
chipset Realtek RTL8187L.

Previa revisión bibliográfica extensa, hice una instalación mínima de
Debian Squeeze con NetInstall desde una unidad USB usando conexión
LAN. Instalé lo necesario para tener un sistema Debian funcional, con
kernel 2.6.32-5-686, con entorno Gnome mínimo y la aplicación wicd
como gestor de redes. Todo bien, excepto que al intentar compilar e
instalar el driver rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release.tar.gz
(previamente descargado desde el sitio web oficial de Realtek), me
lanza un error y no puedo proseguir.
Aclaro que mi usuario es fdmogollon, entro desde una terminal de root
y el archivo comprimido del driver lo tengo en la carpeta Descargas.
A continuación coloco lo que me arroja la terminal durante el proceso:


root@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon# cd
Descargasroot@lapfmogollo:/home/fdmogollon/Descargas# tar -zxvf
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release.tar.gz
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/scatterwalk.h
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/rtl_crypto.h
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/cipher.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/compress.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_wx.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/kmap_types.h
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/Makefile
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/digest.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_tkip.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_softmac.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211.h
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/scatterwalk.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/license
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_module.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.h
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/tags
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/readme
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_softmac_wx.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/api.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/michael_mic.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/internal.h
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/proc.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/aes.c
rtl8187L_linux_26.1040.0820.2010.release/ieee80211/arc4.c
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Re: [OT] Firefox 11 con caché de datos en disco duro

2012-04-08 Thread Rodolfo Vargas





 De: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org 
Enviado: Domingo 8 de abril de 2012 8:32
Asunto: Re: [OT] Firefox 11 con caché de datos en disco duro
 
El Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:04:50 +0100, Rodolfo Vargas escribió:

(tu webmail ha destrozado las citas...)

?¿, uso yahoo para mandar correos..., :O

 Que pena que lo hayan sacado (firefox 11) por default, era una muy buena
 técnica para lograr capturar algunos archivos, videos y otras cosas por
 ese medio...

Aún se puede hacer, ojo, pero tienes que desactivar la opción de eliminar 
el contenido del caché al cerrar el navegador, y por ahí no paso porque 
te quedas con toda la basura que van dejando los sitios web en tu disco 
duro y tienes que acordarte de eliminar esos datos manualmente.

 Pues para videos en formato flv u otro pues creo que los complementos de
 firefox es una buena alternativa :), hace mucho que hacía las descargas
 con los temporales del querido internet explorer y el firefox, pero
 luego de concer los complemnetos ya no tengo necesidad de la cache :),
 bueno amiga Camaleon, paciencia y mejor usa complemento por ahora hasta
 que lo vuelvan a poner como antes, saludos.

Sí, los complementos que permiten descargar vídeos y elementos multimedia 
están bien pero es una pena perder opciones de configuración en Firefox 
de una forma tan gratuita, tan a la ligera... en fin, al final he abierto 
un bug en Mozilla, aunque seguramente lo dejen como está por lo menos ahí 
queda registrada la queja:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743337

Buen trabajo!, saludos.

Saludos,

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Re: [OT] Firefox 11 con caché de datos en disco duro

2012-04-08 Thread Carlos Zuniga
2012/4/8 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:04:50 +0100, Rodolfo Vargas escribió:

 (tu webmail ha destrozado las citas...)

 Que pena que lo hayan sacado (firefox 11) por default, era una muy buena
 técnica para lograr capturar algunos archivos, videos y otras cosas por
 ese medio...

 Aún se puede hacer, ojo, pero tienes que desactivar la opción de eliminar
 el contenido del caché al cerrar el navegador, y por ahí no paso porque
 te quedas con toda la basura que van dejando los sitios web en tu disco
 duro y tienes que acordarte de eliminar esos datos manualmente.


Una idea rápida, podrían montar el directorio de cache del navegador
(~/.mozilla/firefox//Cache) como un tmpfs. Así quedan los
datos si los necesitas tras cerrar el navegador y se borran al
reiniciar la máquina.


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Backup Remoto

2012-04-08 Thread Juan
Buenas noches:

Tengo una necesidad, en mi trabajo me piden mandar un backup de datos
de un servidor debian a otro de otra sucursal y se me está
complicando.

El escenario es el siguiente, en el servidor de la sucursal A tengo un
directorio de 140Gb que se actualiza dia a dia con los archivos que se
agregan y modifican ese dia. Se hace un backup incremental de esos
archivos nuevos, sin borrar lo que se fue borrando de cada maquina en
un directorio oculto. Ahora me piden que ese directorio lo mande a
otra sucursal.

Yo pensaba comprimirlo con tar y enviarlo a la madrugada, una vez y
luego hacer copias incrementales de ese mismo tar y enviarlas
semanalmente.

El tema es que no se me ocurre como hacerlo y no se que va a pasar la
primera vez, ya que no debe ser muy facil pasar un archivo de 100 gb
por internet. No tengo NADA de experiencia en esto y no hay
administrador de sistemas, me arreglo yo como puedo con todo.

No quiero que nadie me haga el trabajo, solamente que me den ideas
para investigar y asi poder armar los scripts.

El backup local que se hace a diario ya lo tengo y funciona perfecto.
La linea para comprimir el directorio de backup la tengo (tar -Pvuf
backup.tar /directorio-de-backup-local).

Lo que me falta saber es si una vez que tenga el primer backup hecho,
puedo copiar los archivos nuevos y modificados en un archivo
diferente, es decir, por primera vez hago el tar y me queda en el
archivo backup-completo.tar.gz y luego hago una copia incremental en
archivo-ddmm.tar.gz, asi lo que envio a la otra sucursal es este
ultimo archivo semanal y no todo de nuevo cada vez.

¿Estoy en lo correcto?

Gracias  a quien me pueda dar una mano desde ya.

saludos

Juan


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RE: Backup Remoto

2012-04-08 Thread Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl
Hecha mano de rsync con ssh

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Enviado: 08/04/2012 20:42
Asunto: Backup Remoto


Buenas noches:

Tengo una necesidad, en mi trabajo me piden mandar un backup de datos
de un servidor debian a otro de otra sucursal y se me está
complicando.

El escenario es el siguiente, en el servidor de la sucursal A tengo un
directorio de 140Gb que se actualiza dia a dia con los archivos que se
agregan y modifican ese dia. Se hace un backup incremental de esos
archivos nuevos, sin borrar lo que se fue borrando de cada maquina en
un directorio oculto. Ahora me piden que ese directorio lo mande a
otra sucursal.

Yo pensaba comprimirlo con tar y enviarlo a la madrugada, una vez y
luego hacer copias incrementales de ese mismo tar y enviarlas
semanalmente.

El tema es que no se me ocurre como hacerlo y no se que va a pasar la
primera vez, ya que no debe ser muy facil pasar un archivo de 100 gb
por internet. No tengo NADA de experiencia en esto y no hay
administrador de sistemas, me arreglo yo como puedo con todo.

No quiero que nadie me haga el trabajo, solamente que me den ideas
para investigar y asi poder armar los scripts.

El backup local que se hace a diario ya lo tengo y funciona perfecto.
La linea para comprimir el directorio de backup la tengo (tar -Pvuf
backup.tar /directorio-de-backup-local).

Lo que me falta saber es si una vez que tenga el primer backup hecho,
puedo copiar los archivos nuevos y modificados en un archivo
diferente, es decir, por primera vez hago el tar y me queda en el
archivo backup-completo.tar.gz y luego hago una copia incremental en
archivo-ddmm.tar.gz, asi lo que envio a la otra sucursal es este
ultimo archivo semanal y no todo de nuevo cada vez.

¿Estoy en lo correcto?

Gracias  a quien me pueda dar una mano desde ya.

saludos

Juan


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Re: Backup Remoto

2012-04-08 Thread CHACO
2012/4/8 Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl do...@hotmail.com

 Hecha mano de rsync con ssh


Correcto, con rsync lo puede solucionar.

Solo que 100 GB por internet es una locura realmente.
los 100GB ya estan compresos?
Que tipos de archivos son?



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Re: RE: Backup Remoto

2012-04-08 Thread Ricardo Yanez
Una buena herramienta que usa rsync y ssh es unison. Permite ademas
hacer respaldos remotos en batch mode.

 Hecha mano de rsync con ssh

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 Buenas noches:

 Tengo una necesidad, en mi trabajo me piden mandar un backup de datos
 de un servidor debian a otro de otra sucursal y se me está
 complicando.

 El escenario es el siguiente, en el servidor de la sucursal A tengo un
 directorio de 140Gb que se actualiza dia a dia con los archivos que se
 agregan y modifican ese dia. Se hace un backup incremental de esos
 archivos nuevos, sin borrar lo que se fue borrando de cada maquina en
 un directorio oculto. Ahora me piden que ese directorio lo mande a
 otra sucursal.

 Yo pensaba comprimirlo con tar y enviarlo a la madrugada, una vez y
 luego hacer copias incrementales de ese mismo tar y enviarlas
 semanalmente.

 El tema es que no se me ocurre como hacerlo y no se que va a pasar la
 primera vez, ya que no debe ser muy facil pasar un archivo de 100 gb
 por internet. No tengo NADA de experiencia en esto y no hay
 administrador de sistemas, me arreglo yo como puedo con todo.

 No quiero que nadie me haga el trabajo, solamente que me den ideas
 para investigar y asi poder armar los scripts.

 El backup local que se hace a diario ya lo tengo y funciona perfecto.
 La linea para comprimir el directorio de backup la tengo (tar -Pvuf
 backup.tar /directorio-de-backup-local).

 Lo que me falta saber es si una vez que tenga el primer backup hecho,
 puedo copiar los archivos nuevos y modificados en un archivo
 diferente, es decir, por primera vez hago el tar y me queda en el
 archivo backup-completo.tar.gz y luego hago una copia incremental en
 archivo-ddmm.tar.gz, asi lo que envio a la otra sucursal es este
 ultimo archivo semanal y no todo de nuevo cada vez.

 ¿Estoy en lo correcto?

 Gracias  a quien me pueda dar una mano desde ya.

 saludos

 Juan


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Fwd: Backup Remoto

2012-04-08 Thread Juan
perdon!! ahora va a la lista!!!


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De: Juan jawif...@gmail.com
Fecha: 9 de abril de 2012 00:07
Asunto: Re: Backup Remoto
Para: CHACO diego.cha...@gmail.com


El día 8 de abril de 2012 23:28, CHACO diego.cha...@gmail.com escribió:


 2012/4/8 Juan jawif...@gmail.com

 El día 8 de abril de 2012 23:12, CHACO diego.cha...@gmail.com escribió:
 
 
  2012/4/8 Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl do...@hotmail.com
 
  Hecha mano de rsync con ssh
 
 
  Correcto, con rsync lo puede solucionar.
 
  Solo que 100 GB por internet es una locura realmente.
  los 100GB ya estan compresos?
  Que tipos de archivos son?
 
 
 

 Hola gracias por las respuestas, ustedes me dicen rsync, pero con
 rsync paso el tar o los archivos de a uno?

 Puse lo de 100 gb como orientacion, el directorio acturalmente pesa
 141 gb SIN comprimir. Tengo que cmprimirlo para ver en que queda, son
 paginas de un diario, en pdf, fotos, textos y planilla de openoffice,
 etc.

 Ya lo pongo a comprimir y les digo el peso real del tar.

 Gracias


 Si va a usar rsync mejor no lo comprima.
 Rsync syncroniza ambas carpetas de manera que luego de ejecutar el respaldo,
 podra en el destino todo lo que no este en el origen hasta dejarlo igual.

Acá no entiendo bien, es correcta la frase  podra en el destino todo
lo que no este en el origen hasta dejarlo igual. o quiso decir que
pondra lo que no está en el Destino pero si está en el origen?



 Si lo comprime siempre será un archivo diferente.

Esto es cierto, no lo habia pensado así

 La pregunta es cuantos GB agrega diariamente al respaldo? y si todos son
 necesarios.

No son Gb diarios, son algunos megas diarios, poco. El tema es la
copia inicial, ya que esos 140Gb que mencione son de años acumulados,
una vez que pasen, semanalmente pueden ser de 100 a 200/250 MB, no más
que eso.


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Re: Backup Remoto

2012-04-08 Thread julio
El dom, 08-04-2012 a las 22:41 -0300, Juan escribió:
 El tema es que no se me ocurre como hacerlo y no se que va a pasar la
 primera vez, ya que no debe ser muy facil pasar un archivo de 100 gb
 por internet. No tengo NADA de experiencia en esto y no hay
 administrador de sistemas, me arreglo yo como puedo con todo. 

Efectivamente vas a tener un problema, aunque dependerá del ancho de
banda que tengas disponible para pasar esos 100 GB. Una posibilidad es
que los mandes físicamente en un disco duro, y a partir de ahí hagas los
incrementales.

Aunque los backups hechos a mano con scripts pueden funcionar
perfectamente, ten en cuenta que hay herramientas hechas para solucionar
ese problema. Podrías empezar investigando rsync, y si necesitas más
potencia pues puedes ver otras como bacula.

Un saludo

JulHer





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Re: nertankning av program från Sveriges Radio

2012-04-08 Thread Olof Johansson
On 2012-04-07 18:22 +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:
 Hej!
 
 När det gäller nertankning av program från svt fick jag bra hjälp här.
 Den nya frågan är om någon kan berätta vad jag gör med program på
 Sveriges Radio som tex:
 http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=broadcastid=3829349codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx

spaams script lär funka finfint, men rent generellt är .axs-filen bara
en XML-fil där ström-URL:er syns rätt tydligt.

$ curl -s 
'http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=broadcastid=3829349codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx'
 | grep -F 'ref'
ref href=http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/ljudfil/3829349.m4a; /

Men spaams script är snyggare :-), men om man stöter på sånna på andra
ställen så brukar de inte vara några problem.

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Re: nertankning av program från Sveriges Radio

2012-04-08 Thread jan
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:12:53 +0200
Johan Andersson j...@i19.se wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 01:40:03PM +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se
 wrote:
  On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:47:32 +0200
  Olof Johansson o...@ethup.se wrote:
  
   On 2012-04-07 18:22 +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:
Hej!

När det gäller nertankning av program från svt fick jag bra
hjälp här. Den nya frågan är om någon kan berätta vad jag gör
med program på Sveriges Radio som tex:
http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=broadcastid=3829349codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx
   
   spaams script lär funka finfint, men rent generellt är .axs-filen
   bara en XML-fil där ström-URL:er syns rätt tydligt.
   
   $ curl -s
   'http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=broadcastid=3829349codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx'
   | grep -F 'ref' ref
   href=http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/ljudfil/3829349.m4a; /
   
   Men spaams script är snyggare :-), men om man stöter på sånna på
   andra ställen så brukar de inte vara några problem.
   
  
  Tricket med curl fungerade utmärkt däremot gick det inte så bra med
  spaams script, se nedan. Handhavandefel?
  
  /Janne
  
 
 Jag har updaterat svtplay-dl nu så pulla så funkar det om du skickar
 en sådan url.
 

Snabbt jobbat! Jag testar i eftermiddag.

/Janne


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Re: nertankning av program från Sveriges Radio

2012-04-08 Thread jan
Lysande!

Verkar fungera perfekt.

Tack!
/Janne


On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:42:25 +0200
j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:

 On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:12:53 +0200
 Johan Andersson j...@i19.se wrote:
 
  On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 01:40:03PM +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se
  wrote:
   On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:47:32 +0200
   Olof Johansson o...@ethup.se wrote:
   
On 2012-04-07 18:22 +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:
 Hej!
 
 När det gäller nertankning av program från svt fick jag bra
 hjälp här. Den nya frågan är om någon kan berätta vad jag gör
 med program på Sveriges Radio som tex:
 http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=broadcastid=3829349codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx

spaams script lär funka finfint, men rent generellt
är .axs-filen bara en XML-fil där ström-URL:er syns rätt
tydligt.

$ curl -s
'http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=broadcastid=3829349codingformat=.m4ametafile=asx'
| grep -F 'ref' ref
href=http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/ljudfil/3829349.m4a; /

Men spaams script är snyggare :-), men om man stöter på sånna på
andra ställen så brukar de inte vara några problem.

   
   Tricket med curl fungerade utmärkt däremot gick det inte så bra
   med spaams script, se nedan. Handhavandefel?
   
   /Janne
   
  
  Jag har updaterat svtplay-dl nu så pulla så funkar det om du skickar
  en sådan url.
  
 
 Snabbt jobbat! Jag testar i eftermiddag.
 
 /Janne
 
 


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Re: [OT] Something about google search

2012-04-08 Thread lina
Thanks for all.

1] I installed the greasymonkey.

2] I download the  Add Links to Google Bar form
http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/115780

3]  : I don't know how to set the mail.google.com to the host of
www.google.com, changed  (document.location.host == www.google.com
not work)

~/.mozilla/firefox/fs7z3prz.default/gm_scripts/Add_Links_to_Google_Bar$
more 115780.user.js

// ==UserScript==
// @name  Add Links to Google Bar
// @version   1.0
// @namespace http://nitinjain.info
// @description   Adds new links to the Google Bar
// @license   GPL v2
// @include   https://*.google.com/*
// @include   http://*.google.com/*
// @include   http://*.google.com.*

// ==/UserScript==
var docment=null;
if (document.location.host == mail.google.com)
docment = document.getElementById('canvas_frame').contentDocument;
else
docment = document;
var googlebar = docment.getElementById('gbz').getElementsByClassName('gbtc')[0]
;
var newLinks =[];

// Add your links here..
//newLinks.push({name: 'Facebook', href: 'http://www.facebook.com'});
//newLinks.push({name: 'Yahoo', href: 'http://www.yahoo.com'});
//newLinks.push({name: 'Bing', href: 'http://www.bing.com'});

newLinks.push({name: 'Scholar', href: 'http://scholar.google.com.sg/schhp?hl=en
'})

// Finish your custom links..

for (var i = 0; i  newLinks.length; i++) {
var newli = document.createElement('li');
newli.setAttribute('class', 'gbt');
googlebar.appendChild(newli);
var newlink = document.createElement('a');
newlink.setAttribute('href', newLinks[i].href);
newlink.setAttribute('class', 'gbzt');
newli.appendChild(newlink);
var span1 = document.createElement('span');
span1.setAttribute('class', 'gbtb2');
newlink.appendChild(span1);
var textlink = document.createElement('span');
textlink.setAttribute('class', 'gbts');
textlink.innerHTML = newLinks[i].name;
newlink.appendChild(textlink);

}

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Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-08 Thread Charles Kroeger
 I never use it any other way.  I tend to forget that it has an ncurses
 mode. Which would explain why I thought that both apt and aptitude can be
 used for day to day operations. 

I don't have aptitude, never used it. Why would one need apt-get and aptitude
together?

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Re: RAID1 does not boot

2012-04-08 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:26:44 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:31:15 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 Thank you every one for helping me. actually i followed and read every
 thing but just grub install /dev/sdb
  alone didn't help

 What was the ouput for the above command? Maybe it returned an error
 but we can't know.

 Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
 Installation finished. No error reported. This is the contents of the
 device map /boot/grub/device.map. Check if this is correct or not. If
 any of the lines is incorrect, fix it and re-run the script
 `grub-install'.

 (hd0)   /dev/sda
 (hd1)   /dev/sdb

 Only that information was displayed? I'd would have expected more
 (searching for splash image, searching for kernel...), but well, at a
 first glance looks right to me, no errors at least.

no, it only display the above nothing else.


 Just in case, try to run update-grub and check if that fixes the

 booting issue.


ok if i update-grub it means i will shift from grub 1 to 2 maybe so is
it going to effect any thing because i haven't work on grub 2 before.
i am big time lenny user as i am new and i always look for stable
version can grab my hairs for any errors and there are experienced
people who can help with lenny.

 grub
 grub root (hd0,0)
 grub setup (hd0)
 grub root (hd1,0)
 grub setup (hd1)
 grub quit

 I warned you about not copy/paste (grrr...) :-)

 of-course i didn't copy paste :)

 Well done, then. Is that I'm very thorough when playing with the
 bootloader :-)

 The above will only work if these two apply:

 - You have GRUB legacy (GRUB2 partitions now start at 1 instead 0)
 - Your /boot partition is located in the first partition of the
 first/ second disk

 ok Thanks, ill read on that.

 If you're using GRUB2 I can't understand why the those commands did not
 complain given that partition 0 shouldn't exist :-?


no i think lenny come with grub 1 by default and i am using the
default one. what is that complain. can you please explain. i ll
update to grub 2 and show you the command output. but are you sure its
not going to hurt the running machine because i dont wana conduct the
whole installation again :( its a pain.


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Re: [OT] Something about google search

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 08/04/12 16:00, lina wrote:
 Thanks for all.
 
 1] I installed the greasymonkey.

Pretty sure it's greasEmonkey - but maybe that's the problem. ;-p

 
 2] I download the  Add Links to Google Bar form 
 http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/115780
 
 3]  : I don't know how to set the mail.google.com to the host of 
 www.google.com, changed  (document.location.host == www.google.com 
 not work)

Huh? Why are you trying to change that?


snipped
If you want to modify the example links (to Bing, Fffacebook etc) or add
a custom one -  the section to modify is between the Add your links
here and Finish your custom links.. comments. (obscure huh?)

 
 // Add your links here.. //newLinks.push({name: 'Facebook', href:
 'http://www.facebook.com'}); //newLinks.push({name: 'Yahoo', href:
 'http://www.yahoo.com'}); //newLinks.push({name: 'Bing', href:
 'http://www.bing.com'});


eg. replacing that section with the following will add a single new link
called Debian which is a href to debian.org

// Add your links here..
//newLinks.push({name: 'Debian', href: 'http://debian.org'});
// Finish your custom links..

If you want to *remove* some of the visible links in the default Google
search page, and add custom ones or rearrange the existing ones - this
script will not do it.


snipped

 
 Thanks again,
 
 Best regards,
 
 

If you have problems with the script it's best to contact the maintainer
(at the link you posted) or a javascript forum, instead of bombing this
list with questions not related to Debian.



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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 07.04.2012 22:10, Joey Hess wrote:
 Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 As far as I know, I have valid signature. That block which was
 pasted here is shown as invalid, because the one who first
 started complaining about it didn't use Enigmail and/or pasted
 only the signature block without message which it belongs to.
 
 You may have a valid signature, but the way you have Icedove 
 configured to post your signature inline both means that it
 clutters up viewing and replying, and prevents automatic signature
 validation (at least in mutt) from working. While there's a well
 known procmail recipe to convert clearsigned signatures to detached
 signatures, I personally stopped using it, as clearsigned
 signatures are rare and deprecated. I'd recommend switching to a
 detached signature.
 

As I have explained at least two times, K9 Mail which I use on Android
doesn't support S/MIME. It cannot sign nor encrypt nor verify S/MIME
signatures.

- -- 
Mika Suomalainen
 gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65
 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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3FDvf5nHCc2Q8WJZcSxx
=C5B/
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


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Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem

2012-04-08 Thread Marc Shapiro

On 04/07/12 16:41, Gary Roach wrote:

If the BOIS ATA/IDE Configuration is set to Extended, the bios finds my
CDROM drive but not the hard drive. If the configuration is set to
Legacy the bios finds the hard drive but not my CDROM drive. The hard
drive is on IDE -1 as master (or stand alone, makes no difference) and
the CDROM is on IDE-2 as master. Swapping cables didn't help. The two
units are mounted too far apart to make one master and the other slave
on the same IDE port.


Assuming that you are planning on booting from the hard drive, set the 
BIOS so that the hard drive is recognized.  The fact that the BIOS does 
not recognize the existence of the CDROM should not matter.  Once it has 
booted (unless things have changed since I started using linux about 14 
years ago) linux does not use the BIOS and should detect the CDROM drive 
even though the BIOS does not.


Back in the days before I found linux, I had a hard drive that 
apparently stopped working just because there was a lightning strike on 
a transformer about 1/4 mile from our trailer while I was booted up and 
remotely logged into another system.  The box would not even boot if the 
drive was installed and listed in the BIOS setup, even if I was not 
trying to boot from that drive.  I removed the drive, but did not get 
rid of it because I am a pack-rat.


Then I started using linux and, at some point, decided to see if there 
was any chance that I could boot into linux with the drive installed, in 
an attempt to salvage any of the data on the disk.  As it turned out, if 
I listed the drive in the BIOS setup then the system would not boot, but 
if I did not list the drive then the system would boot just fine from 
another drive and linux, having booted, ignored the BIOS and found the 
drive and was able to read everything from it that I wanted.  By then, I 
had recreated, or regenerated any data that I actually needed from the 
drive, so I did not really need to retrieve any data, but it did give me 
more available disk space.  Disk space is good!


Marc


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 08.04.2012 00:25, Paul Johnson wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mika Suomalainen
 s.mik...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 GPG Inline signature is easier to verify if you copy-paste that
 email from mailing list archive.
 
 Not really, since you can just download the mbox version and verify
 it directly with MIME anyway.

And how does this happen manually?

 I cannot use S/MIME, because it's not supported by APG nor K9
 Mail.
 
 Sounds like a personal problem.  It's not our fault APG and K9 are 
 living in the past, so don't take it out on us.
 
 

I cannot say that APG and K9 are living in the past, because they are
the only PGP implementation and email client, which supports PGP for
Android.

- -- 
Mika Suomalainen
 gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65
 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgULgAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoNQsQAKtKHTOWMEv/FIjuO4Bl4K9j
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

 Now thats uncalled for. My point was, that Mika's posts are
 difficult to read as it is (because he doesn't trim them) without
 all that extra stuff at the end.
 
 I haven't read all the thread yet, so bearing that in mind, I think
 it is fine to sign your emails. In fact, many developers¹ do and I
 can see good reason to.
 
 Mika: Is it possible to sign your mail *without* sending the whole
 key² as well or is that another problem with enigmail?

My whole key is not in signature. The key is this what is attached to
this message.

 Ahhh... wait a minute. 
 
 Enigmail is capable of signing, authenticating, encrypting and 
 decrypting email. Additionally, it supports both the inline PGP 
 format, as well as the PGP/MIME format as described in RFC 3156.
 
 If you change to the newer PGP/MIME format and see ² hopefully
 that should at least halve your post content.

As I have said three times in this same thread, I also use K9 Mail on
phone and it doesn't support PGP/MIME.

 ¹ Although most tend to use mutt which uses gnupg.
 
 ² If that is in fact what it is; I suggest uploading your key to a 
 keyserver, and just publishing the fingerprint.
 

I have published my key to keyserver and I have both, keyid and
fingerprint mentioned in my emails in automatically added signature.
Look at the third and fourth lines after this line.
- -- 
Mika Suomalainen
 gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65
 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgUZoAAoJEE21PP6CpGcofjkP+wdKWksogsQ2nOYjOs/+pY0y
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0x82A46728.asc
Description: application/pgp-keys


0x82A46728.asc.sig
Description: PGP signature


Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 08.04.2012 05:05, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 11:23:35AM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 
 I cannot use S/MIME, because it's not supported by APG nor K9
 Mail.
 
 Nice try. :)
 
 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3)
 Gecko/20120329 Icedove/10.0.3
 
 But IT IS supported by Icedove/10.0.3, which you can and obviously
 use to post messages to this list.
 

If you look at all my messages, some of them are send from K9 Mail.

- -- 
Mika Suomalainen
 gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65
 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgUbHAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoZ1EQALsk2amTqRzxumNVbEEthvKO
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0QZMaPf8ZxsZwakYVLDK
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 08/04/12 17:48, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 On 08.04.2012 00:25, Paul Johnson wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mika Suomalainen
 s.mik...@gmail.com wrote:
 

snipped

 
 
 I cannot say that APG and K9 are living in the past, because they are
 the only PGP implementation and email client, which supports PGP for
 Android.
 


Perhaps. But AGP and K9 are broken. Signing only doesn't produce a valid
signature (as I demonstrated to you offlist[*1]).

http://code.google.com/p/android-privacy-guard/issues/detail?id=13colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary%20Reporter

[*1] have you managed to validate your own signed mail yet? Have you
found anyone else that can?


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Re: [OT] Something about google search

2012-04-08 Thread lina
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Scott Ferguson
scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/04/12 16:00, lina wrote:
 Thanks for all.

 1] I installed the greasymonkey.

 Pretty sure it's greasEmonkey - but maybe that's the problem. ;-p


 2] I download the  Add Links to Google Bar form
 http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/115780

 3]  : I don't know how to set the mail.google.com to the host of
 www.google.com, changed  (document.location.host == www.google.com
 not work)

 Huh? Why are you trying to change that?

The new-added item only show when I am in mail.gmail.com

I wish the new-added item to be shown on the www.google.com

that's why I wish to know which should be fit for the value of
document.location.host ==



 snipped
 If you want to modify the example links (to Bing, Fffacebook etc) or add
 a custom one -  the section to modify is between the Add your links
 here and Finish your custom links.. comments. (obscure huh?)


 // Add your links here.. //newLinks.push({name: 'Facebook', href:
 'http://www.facebook.com'}); //newLinks.push({name: 'Yahoo', href:
 'http://www.yahoo.com'}); //newLinks.push({name: 'Bing', href:
 'http://www.bing.com'});


 eg. replacing that section with the following will add a single new link
 called Debian which is a href to debian.org

 // Add your links here..
 //newLinks.push({name: 'Debian', href: 'http://debian.org'});
 // Finish your custom links..

 If you want to *remove* some of the visible links in the default Google
 search page, and add custom ones or rearrange the existing ones - this
 script will not do it.


 snipped


 Thanks again,

 Best regards,



 If you have problems with the script it's best to contact the maintainer
 (at the link you posted) or a javascript forum, instead of bombing this
 list with questions not related to Debian.

Thanks

Best regards,




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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 08.04.2012 11:12, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 08/04/12 17:48, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 On 08.04.2012 00:25, Paul Johnson wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Mika Suomalainen 
 s.mik...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 snipped
 
 
 
 I cannot say that APG and K9 are living in the past, because they
 are the only PGP implementation and email client, which supports
 PGP for Android.
 
 
 
 Perhaps. But AGP and K9 are broken. Signing only doesn't produce a
 valid signature (as I demonstrated to you offlist[*1]).
 
 http://code.google.com/p/android-privacy-guard/issues/detail?id=13colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary%20Reporter

  [*1] have you managed to validate your own signed mail yet? Have
 you found anyone else that can?
 
 
 Kind regards
 
Yes, I am able to verify my own signatures.
Your link has weird way to sign, I don't do it that way. I only press
the sign button and message is signed correctly and I can verify it.

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gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728
Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgUyUAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoz7AQAKhwI81vt4bkLgkuvkXfqSYC
zjGbGtsqSe7YE98bJDFnrsnco23A4p5Z4pk3Pt6FUicwrlkNd5cT1rcDe6uoi2iO
y2RCaxgxZsQURsUaC1Ry8PBcc+rC3F5ZQuKRhJUnG0f87gubmHIYRvEK2U15blFS
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ZuC/od3LGpgHIsYijYJm96aLz4kJBMAc2O67cXjh47DUdlQsGNFMewy4XXNkHGWh
pMZ3jm0fGazP/pMwZ/Y2gCV8v4lfNHh6OUZzUQQ6e58m+cRxVzEpjUnkP3puzfvF
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7silW7BkOUZUz+NRSiXK
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Keith

On 07/04/12 21:49, Indulekha wrote:

Of course, that's merely my opinion.:)
   

Not just your opinion, but the opinion of, probably, the silent majority.

I also dislike that big block of 'signature'; it's annoying.




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Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem

2012-04-08 Thread Keith

On 08/04/12 00:41, Gary Roach wrote:
 Swapping cables didn't help. The two units are mounted too far apart 
to make one master and the other slave on the same IDE port.


I've run out of ideas. Anyone else have any?

Perhaps a longer cable..

(Upto 1 meter long, I think; may also be joined together.)


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Mika Suomalainen
mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I only press the sign button and message is signed correctly and I
 can verify it.

Then perhaps you could be so kind as to stop pressing the sign
button, then. :-)

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
On 08.04.2012 12:24, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Mika Suomalainen
 mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I only press the sign button and message is signed correctly and I
 can verify it.
 
 Then perhaps you could be so kind as to stop pressing the sign
 button, then. :-)
 
That button is checked by default.

If GPG INLINE signature is so big problem to everyone on this list, lets
make agreement.

I promise to move to PGP/MIME (with clients which are compatible with
it) when you have told me how do I verify PGP/MIME signature manually. I
have been trying to do it for 45 minutes without getting anything else
than message about BAD SIGNATURE.

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Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: how to increase space for tmpfs /tmp

2012-04-08 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
May I suggest the following command in order to see where files may be hidden?

  du -hx --max-depth=1 / | sort -h

It may take a longer time to complete. It only examines the root partition.
It should also show hidden disk usage in case something is mounted on a
directory with files in it.
The command can also be used for mounted partitions, e.g.,

  du -hx --max-depth=1 /home | sort -h

On my system the first command shows among other directories

...
4.0K/home
...

and the second command

16K /home/lost+found
...
41G /home

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Re: terminal prompts

2012-04-08 Thread Paul Saunders
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:37:32 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 On 04/07/2012 04:29 PM, Tom H wrote:
  On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Frank McCormick
  debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
 
[cut]
 
  The distro runs fine but slow under KDE, but after I Installed
  Icewm, I notice when I load an exterm, the prompt I get is % not
  the usual one setup in .bashrc.
 
[cut]
 
  Can someone explain what's going on ?
 
  What;s your shell? tcsh?
 
I **thought** it was DASH (the apparent default in Squeeze) so I
 ran dpkg-reconfigure dash and picked Bash as the default. But maybe
 it wasn't ?  How do I find out for sure ?
 

dpkg-reconfiguring dash will only update which shell is used to provide
the /bin/sh link. This may or may not be the shell that users get when
they open a terminal.

To see what shell you're currently using, try running chsh (as
yourself). That will tell you what your current login shell is. To
change it, enter the full path to the executable, or to keep it, just
press enter.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 11:05:30AM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 On 08.04.2012 05:05, Chris Bannister wrote:
  On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 11:23:35AM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
  
  I cannot use S/MIME, because it's not supported by APG nor K9
  Mail.
  
  Nice try. :)
  
  User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3)
  Gecko/20120329 Icedove/10.0.3
  
  But IT IS supported by Icedove/10.0.3, which you can and obviously
  use to post messages to this list.
  
 
 If you look at all my messages, some of them are send from K9 Mail.
  
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120329
Icedove/10.0.3

2/2 so far. :) You could at least configure Icedove.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 10:36:02AM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 On 07.04.2012 22:10, Joey Hess wrote:
  Mika Suomalainen wrote:
  As far as I know, I have valid signature. That block which was
  pasted here is shown as invalid, because the one who first
  started complaining about it didn't use Enigmail and/or pasted
  only the signature block without message which it belongs to.
  
  You may have a valid signature, but the way you have Icedove 
  configured to post your signature inline both means that it
  clutters up viewing and replying, and prevents automatic signature
  validation (at least in mutt) from working. While there's a well
  known procmail recipe to convert clearsigned signatures to detached
  signatures, I personally stopped using it, as clearsigned
  signatures are rare and deprecated. I'd recommend switching to a
  detached signature.
  
 
 As I have explained at least two times, K9 Mail which I use on Android
 doesn't support S/MIME. It cannot sign nor encrypt nor verify S/MIME
 signatures.

Oh look! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3)
Gecko/20120329 Icedove/10.0.3

3/3

Go on, configure Icedove as suggested, and the odd occasion you do use
your Android, won't matter, besides it would be interesting to see how
easy it is.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 11:03:54AM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:

Oh look:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120329
Icedove/10.0.3

 My whole key is not in signature. The key is this what is attached to
 this message.


It diplays like so:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
 Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgUZoAAoJEE21PP6CpGcofjkP+wdKWksogsQ2nOYjOs/+pY0y
 WgyqMI+NmNWdQgwQOZyJ1fKsXcGpzTKPlXe6lkw8vQ9U3FcDw90zGSdSMMshkEPr
 CMpBft1ABSUq1bbuRiay+q1wZ5j0WsUt0EyROprA3npbQhaK4rMe56nE1NM9i5MO
 Fo4meUJnAXvEVtbpqGOJQW/WPk4g/gJbMfX9635YKrPPk9eOOvIXqtp3nd6DFQMw
 n2rrFTlCIVvCXxXkNMufup9YY9Q5gHwkqvSXpYurNNCW+NvJ4cR2Mwx1X+xbMRne
 df2P2OOuz3AQhSKQqEbtNDchWKT3htQ+MEE0FUZub685q2bkJHUsPkdANrUoO3//
 0ej51UHWWNFdH5Up4S+6yUYpDEeg40JAPab9ghK3XL2bE/NC2hsp+DX9tPgQ+4z3
 kq3Ia6LpzvIWNuvj+85QDEoM8dcClzqJ4w2UW2qHJ3s/z2hvbVxsfJ9o9ss15C0m
 JTboVfmsReNud/zJTgXZAiZi889XkZSMN9F8+azz549AJUFWQB2FaTxp3tp6qsxn
 DTVpF8KmDOupThCfRsNAt0d9H+1y+VYiBv6crimXWorxHIU0PYGV/IajZQTvrDkG
 ljxDzRB+DghgGu6grzvVHbDU7aOwCe5w5qXHznos5VvEqyy1oV9Gkd2u6EJOtlCo
 q2RkLppxkkPBboukRy1f
 =Pb+v
 -END PGP SIGNATURE-

 pub  4096R/82A46728 2012-03-27 Mika Suomalainen
 uidMika Suomalainen
 mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com
 uidMika Suomalainen s.mik...@gmail.com
 sub  4096R/A4271AC5 2012-03-27


 As I have said three times in this same thread, I also use K9 Mail on
 phone and it doesn't support PGP/MIME.

Just do Icedove then.

 I have published my key to keyserver and I have both, keyid and
 fingerprint mentioned in my emails in automatically added signature.
 Look at the third and fourth lines after this line.

Then you don't need to attach it.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 08.04.2012 13:51, Chris Bannister wrote:
...
 
 As I have explained at least two times, K9 Mail which I use on
 Android doesn't support S/MIME. It cannot sign nor encrypt nor
 verify S/MIME signatures.
 
 Oh look! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3) 
 Gecko/20120329 Icedove/10.0.3
 
 3/3
 
 Go on, configure Icedove as suggested, and the odd occasion you do
 use your Android, won't matter, besides it would be interesting to
 see how easy it is.
 

Configuring Icedove to use PGP/MIME is just two clicks. If you read
all messages, you know that I will move to PGP/MIME when anyone on
this list explains to me how do I manually verify signature with PGP/MIME.

Verifying INLINE signature = copy-paste the whole message to gpg.

Verifying PGP/MIME signature = ?

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gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728
Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgX+KAAoJEE21PP6CpGcohTkP/Alx3PCA8xHpWSJZpBxDnTp6
EQS+0jO3tK8dpig7PbPxG/WOZ6+tkqexA01KA0q8PZq6AFb+4XET5TPGL3r9IIXV
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5ELKnxEqqbxFdgwJla1+
=fnNH
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 08.04.2012 14:01, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 11:03:54AM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 
 Oh look: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.3)
 Gecko/20120329 Icedove/10.0.3
 
 My whole key is not in signature. The key is this what is
 attached to this message.
 
 
 It diplays like so:
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) 
 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
 
 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgUZoAAoJEE21PP6CpGcofjkP+wdKWksogsQ2nOYjOs/+pY0y 
 WgyqMI+NmNWdQgwQOZyJ1fKsXcGpzTKPlXe6lkw8vQ9U3FcDw90zGSdSMMshkEPr 
 CMpBft1ABSUq1bbuRiay+q1wZ5j0WsUt0EyROprA3npbQhaK4rMe56nE1NM9i5MO 
 Fo4meUJnAXvEVtbpqGOJQW/WPk4g/gJbMfX9635YKrPPk9eOOvIXqtp3nd6DFQMw 
 n2rrFTlCIVvCXxXkNMufup9YY9Q5gHwkqvSXpYurNNCW+NvJ4cR2Mwx1X+xbMRne 
 df2P2OOuz3AQhSKQqEbtNDchWKT3htQ+MEE0FUZub685q2bkJHUsPkdANrUoO3// 
 0ej51UHWWNFdH5Up4S+6yUYpDEeg40JAPab9ghK3XL2bE/NC2hsp+DX9tPgQ+4z3 
 kq3Ia6LpzvIWNuvj+85QDEoM8dcClzqJ4w2UW2qHJ3s/z2hvbVxsfJ9o9ss15C0m 
 JTboVfmsReNud/zJTgXZAiZi889XkZSMN9F8+azz549AJUFWQB2FaTxp3tp6qsxn 
 DTVpF8KmDOupThCfRsNAt0d9H+1y+VYiBv6crimXWorxHIU0PYGV/IajZQTvrDkG 
 ljxDzRB+DghgGu6grzvVHbDU7aOwCe5w5qXHznos5VvEqyy1oV9Gkd2u6EJOtlCo 
 q2RkLppxkkPBboukRy1f =Pb+v -END PGP SIGNATURE-

That is signature.

 pub  4096R/82A46728 2012-03-27 Mika Suomalainen uid
 Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com uid
 Mika Suomalainen s.mik...@gmail.com sub  4096R/A4271AC5
 2012-03-27
 
 
 As I have said three times in this same thread, I also use K9
 Mail on phone and it doesn't support PGP/MIME.
 
 Just do Icedove then.

Sometimes I must use phone to send emails.

 I have published my key to keyserver and I have both, keyid and 
 fingerprint mentioned in my emails in automatically added
 signature. Look at the third and fourth lines after this line.
 
 Then you don't need to attach it.
 
If you opened that attached key file and compared it to my signature,
you would see that they are different.

Please also see the previous message which I sent.

Tell me how do I manually verify PGP/MIME signature and I will start
using it on devices/clients which support it.

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gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728
Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A  AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPgYBlAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoJZUP/31u7Wgb7rnxeb28ZvJkeiK9
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Cumr7dndHXu4roa8vCrZ
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Re: [OT] Something about google search

2012-04-08 Thread Curt
On 2012-04-08, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/04/12 16:00, lina wrote:
 Thanks for all.
 
 1] I installed the greasymonkey.

 Pretty sure it's greasEmonkey - but maybe that's the problem. ;-p

They should change it then because I installed the greasy monkey is
the most beautiful English sentence I've read today, and I doubt
seriously things are going to get any better.

It's funny, though, (in the sense of queer, odd), because I just
finished reading a short story with a monkey in it named Alf.  In the
story, Alf is at home (a suburban house in Colorado) looking out the
window (from the sill) into the front yard and a bird comes flying right
at him, which makes jump back in fright, but when he does so he somehow
lands under the legs of his owners rocking chair (a middle-aged woman)
and his spine is broken as the woman rocks backwards in surprise.  He
dies on the spot (after letting out a very human-like scream).

Now, if he would've been a greasy monkey, I'm thinking he might have
survived the experience.

Oh well.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles (now PGP)

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 01:55:06PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 08/04/12 12:26, Chris Bannister wrote:
  I suppose you mean encrypting, you can still read signed mail. The point
  to note is that *if suddenly* two people start encrypting their mail,
  that alone will set off alarm bells 
 
 Yes - though it presupposes someone is monitoring that email. Which

Obviously. It *could* be done automatically. Who knows why, but that is
not worth speculating on really. Computer savvy jealous boy/girl friend,
etc.

 would make a compelling reason *to* encrypt email.

I said  ... that *if suddenly* two people start encrypting ... 

  and basic detective/social
  engineering work would reveal more than you would like.
 
 About the contents of the encrypted mail? Please elaborate and/or file a
 bug report.

No, not the contents obviously. There is a lot of information in the
headers, date sent, o/s, MUA, IP address etc etc. So if you *suddenly* start
sending encrypted mail to a person of interest then you automatically
appear on the radar of the people who, for whatever reason, are
monitoring this person of interest and because they don't know whether
the contents of the post are innocent ... Hollywood? Perhaps, but who
knows. The point is, just because you send an encrypted mail or encrypt
your laptop doesn't mean you can relax.

Some people say that if you get a laptop with a finger identification
setup on it you are safer, I say, the opposite, I want to keep all my
fingers.

   If you encrypt
  your mail all the time (not sure who does) 
 
 Lot's of people. It's a requirement in many areas of business.

Is it? 

  then the chances of anyone
  wasting resources to see what's up is considerably lower.
  
 
 I'm not sure that's a logical conclusion, but I'm not Bruce Schneier or

Why? Resources are a finite commodity.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread PMA



Chris Bannister wrote:

[Please trim your posts on this mailing list]

On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:14:34AM -0400, PMA wrote:

I'm not sure utterly is quite the word.
Nobody in signing thinks a signature is
needed to identify him.


You're not confusing the cryptographic signature with the normal email
signature, are you?


I was, yes. And I am still not clear as to how this topic
relates to the typed-in as opposed to the auto-append.


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Re: terminal prompts

2012-04-08 Thread Frank McCormick

On 08/04/12 05:49 AM, Paul Saunders wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:37:32 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


On 04/07/2012 04:29 PM, Tom H wrote:

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Frank McCormick
debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:



[cut]


The distro runs fine but slow under KDE, but after I Installed
Icewm, I notice when I load an exterm, the prompt I get is % not
the usual one setup in .bashrc.


[cut]


Can someone explain what's going on ?


What;s your shell? tcsh?


I **thought** it was DASH (the apparent default in Squeeze) so I
ran dpkg-reconfigure dash and picked Bash as the default. But maybe
it wasn't ?  How do I find out for sure ?



dpkg-reconfiguring dash will only update which shell is used to provide
the /bin/sh link. This may or may not be the shell that users get when
they open a terminal.


  Ah..that explains that !


To see what shell you're currently using, try running chsh (as
yourself). That will tell you what your current login shell is. To
change it, enter the full path to the executable, or to keep it, just
press enter.


  I am in another distro right now (Debian Sid, my favorite) but I will 
do that when I boot into Mepis.


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bash: halt: command not found

2012-04-08 Thread J. Bakshi
Hello list,

My system has been messed up :-(

I have done a apt-get upgrade and since then some of the commands are
not available in my box as root !!!

```
#whoami
root

#halt
bash: halt: command not found

#reboot
bash: reboot: command not found



I checked and the is no more /sbin/shutdown :-(

What should I do now ? This is wheezy 
Please help. Thanks


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 11:59:38PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
 Though it's worth pointing out that the terms interleaved, inline,
 conversation, etc. are relatively new - reflecting, perhaps, a
 longer-standing practice.  I can remember religious arguments about
 top vs. bottom posting back to ARPANET and USENET days.  This is
 actually the first time I've see the more nuanced interleaved
 style explicitly identified in one of these threads.

Exactly. Consider this post, is it interleaved, or bottom style?
So if you are responding to just one point then, of course, it is bottom
style but it is *also* conversation style. If there were two points
being responded to then the distinction becomes more clear.

I also believe that the waters were muddied by people discussing (me
included) trimming, all in the same sentence/paragraph.

So in a one off mail there is no real difference between bottom
posting and interleaved/inline style.

Generally, in mailing lists, posts are not one off and therefore the
difference becomes more noticeable.

I believe it is self evident which posts are easier to read
especially when you bring trimming into the picture.

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Re: bash: halt: command not found

2012-04-08 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello J.,

J. Bakshi baksh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I checked and the is no more /sbin/shutdown :-(

Did you remove sysvinit? This happens, for example, when you install
upstart, as it conflicts sysvinit.

To reinstall sysvinit, try

# apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit

This will also fix it if your local installation is somehow broken.
However, if this is the case, you should check your
filesystems/hardware ASAP.

Best regards,

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (now PGP)

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 08/04/12 22:36, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 01:55:06PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 08/04/12 12:26, Chris Bannister wrote:
 I suppose you mean encrypting, you can still read signed mail. The point
 to note is that *if suddenly* two people start encrypting their mail,
 that alone will set off alarm bells 

 Yes - though it presupposes someone is monitoring that email. Which
 
 Obviously. It *could* be done automatically. Who knows why, but that is
 not worth speculating on really. Computer savvy jealous boy/girl friend,
 etc.

You're trying too hard. That path leads to paranoia.

That using encryption might make people suspicious is no reason not to
use encryption. Quite the reverse. If people you don't wish to share
your information with want to know your business - use encryption.

You propose that because communications might be under surveillance
[*1] you should *not* secure communications with encryption. Huh?
I refuse to sing Is this glove that I'm feeling in the hope that
shifty eyed people don't look at me - but you pick your own music ;-p

[*1]as if the information is volatile and surveillance can't be
retrospective

To further propose that encryption shouldn't be used because it employs
finite resources boggles the mind. Surveillance is bad, privacy is good,
but don't use up the resources of privacy invaders because it's use up
precious resources. Oh right, because then they'll look at the people
you're sending it too, and read the headers, and work out what was in
the encrypted emails (and what you had for dinner). Surely they would
just fly a nano drone through the wall vent and film your communications
- or break into your house and bug it, or use Echelon, or, or.

If you don't want every bored teenager who works for an email provider,
or cracker hired by your business competitors, reading your email. Use
encryption. Of course email magically bounces from the sender to the
recipient without routing through dozens of machines so... oh wait.

So people 'may' wonder what you're communicating about - *that's why you
use encryption*. Maybe it's prompt them to look closer at what they can
see.  Same logic applies to drawing the curtains and shredding paperwork
before binning it. The same logic applies to people who sensibly encrypt
their computers. Fully encrypting a portable device is a sign of
responsibility not suspicious activity.
Worrying too much about what people might thing is possible a sign of
something else. :-)

NOTE: deniable encryption and stenography is a sign of suspicious
activity - though maybe nothing more serious than furry fans, and of
course, if they can prove deniable encryption - you're not doing it right.

 
 would make a compelling reason *to* encrypt email.
 
 I said  ... that *if suddenly* two people start encrypting ... 

Which I read and quoted.
snipped


 Some people say that if you get a laptop with a finger identification
 setup on it you are safer, I say, the opposite, I want to keep all my
 fingers.

Too much Hollywood (or lead paint, the symptoms are similar).

In the real world Sillyputty, bluetack, or certain chewy lollies are
used to lift a print good enough to bypass both Dell and Lockwood
fingerprint locks. Much simpler again to dust that dirty swipe with
toner and cover with double red gels first though - can save a lot of
time trying to find a good fingerprint (or just pulling out the hard
drive).

Fingerprint locks are not as good as decent passphrases. They're just
there to make it hard for junkies to access your data when they steal
your device - for people too lazy to learn how to produce a decent
passphrase that doesn't need writing down.
Unless coupled with encryption (which most of the laptop with them are)
it's useless (remove hard drive, read).

And lastly on that subject - are you the guy who *hasn't* seen the XKCD
$5 spanner joke? :-)

snipped

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Re: [OT] Something about google search

2012-04-08 Thread Gilbert Sullivan
On 04/08/2012 08:34 AM, Curt wrote:
 On 2012-04-08, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 08/04/12 16:00, lina wrote:
 Thanks for all.

 1] I installed the greasymonkey.

 Pretty sure it's greasEmonkey - but maybe that's the problem. ;-p
 
 They should change it then because I installed the greasy monkey is
 the most beautiful English sentence I've read today, and I doubt
 seriously things are going to get any better.
 
 It's funny, though, (in the sense of queer, odd), because I just
 finished reading a short story with a monkey in it named Alf.  In the
 story, Alf is at home (a suburban house in Colorado) looking out the
 window (from the sill) into the front yard and a bird comes flying right
 at him, which makes jump back in fright, but when he does so he somehow
 lands under the legs of his owners rocking chair (a middle-aged woman)
 and his spine is broken as the woman rocks backwards in surprise.  He
 dies on the spot (after letting out a very human-like scream).
 
 Now, if he would've been a greasy monkey, I'm thinking he might have
 survived the experience.
 
 Oh well.
 
 

I love lina, Scott, and Curt. This made for an exceptionally nice start
to my day. A great story, *and* the bonus of a new euphemism for -- uh,
well, uh...I guess that's a little *too* OT.

8-)

Best regards,
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Re: bash: halt: command not found

2012-04-08 Thread J. Bakshi
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:34:10 +0200
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net wrote:

 Hello J.,
 
 J. Bakshi baksh...@gmail.com wrote:
  I checked and the is no more /sbin/shutdown :-(
 
 Did you remove sysvinit? This happens, for example, when you install
 upstart, as it conflicts sysvinit.
 
 To reinstall sysvinit, try
 
 # apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit
 

Hello Claudius,

You are the hero. It has fixed my box :-)
Many many thanks.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread PMA

Scott Ferguson wrote:

...

I take that you are unable to defend your assertion that signing has a
point without having to validate the sender. ie. it demonstrates that
the email from an unverified sender is verified.

Almost. I was caught up thinking how a personal signature -- choosing
in a given instance to enter it or not -- can affect a message's import,
separately from the issue of verification.  (And I realize I might better
have kept this to myself.)


There's a community convention which people adopt to get along with each
other. You are free to ignore it and expect people to read you posts twice.
We have filters.

I have no wish to ignore the convention.  My memory's failing some.
I'll attune better to *which* posting convention (list) I find myself in.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles (now PGP)

2012-04-08 Thread keith

Chris Bannister wrote:

Some people say that if you get a laptop with a finger identification
setup on it you are safer, I say, the opposite, I want to keep all my
fingers.

All that does is prevent someone seeing your password


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Rants and raving in Las Vegas. (was ... Re: [OT] Something about google search)

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 05:22:02PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 08/04/12 16:00, lina wrote:
  Thanks for all.
  
  1] I installed the greasymonkey.

LOL, anything like the gimp? (Pulp Fiction reference.)

 If you have problems with the script it's best to contact the maintainer
 (at the link you posted) or a javascript forum, instead of bombing this
 list with questions not related to Debian.

Or even better, start making use of:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic

which Andrei thoughtfully setup and no one, including me, uses it.

It would be good to have debian-user as a support ML and keep all the
other stuff on d-community-offtopic. 

So for starters (for the archive, and cos I can't be bothered looking
it up) can I set MFT (mail follow-up to) a CC'd list in this case:
d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org

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Re: terminal prompts

2012-04-08 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
 On 04/07/2012 04:29 PM, Tom H wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca
 wrote:


 �I have run into a problem in Mepis but have been unable to get an answer
 yet from that community group. The distro is based on Debian Squeeze so I
 thought someone here night have the answer. Normally I run Debian
 Sid...Mepis is just an experiment

 The distro runs fine but slow under KDE, but after I Installed Icewm, I
 notice when I load an exterm, the prompt I get is % not the usual one
 setup in .bashrc.

 I have to actually run bash to get the normal prompt. It also affects the
 time it takes Midnight Commander to load, UNLESS I add the -u parm to
 the
 command line so it doesn't have shell facilities.

 Can someone explain what's going on ?

 What;s your shell? tcsh?

  I **thought** it was DASH (the apparent default in Squeeze) so I ran
 dpkg-reconfigure dash and picked Bash as the default. But maybe it wasn't ?
  How do I find out for sure ?

/bin/dash is just linked to, by default, to /bin/sh.

Run echo $SHELL to find out what shell you're running after logging in.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 08/04/12 23:54, PMA wrote:
snipped


 I was caught up thinking how a personal signature -- choosing in a
 given instance to enter it or not -- can affect a message's import, 
 separately from the issue of verification.

Oh good - I couldn't get my head around it when applied to a digital
signature used to show the post had not been modified since sending, and
was sent by the person claiming to have sent it.

 (And I realize I might better have kept this to myself.)

Too late - the secret is out. Now I know not everyone understands what
is meant by validated signature. :-)

snipped

 I have no wish to ignore the convention.  My memory's failing some. 
 I'll attune better to *which* posting convention (list) I find myself
 in.


My bad - I'd mistaken you for someone trolling the it's not a rule
let's vote on it line :-(
Hopefully I'll learn from this (latest) error of judgement on my part.
Perhaps in time you'll forgive me.


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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 07:52:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 04:57:34PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 - Pan (as newsreader for reading/post to mailing lists) - Mutt (as
 e-mail client for personal things) - Thunderbird (as e-mail client for
 work) - Liferea (as news feeder for reading web magazines and
 newspapers)
 
 (heck, I now realize why my RAM consumption reaches up to 1.5 GiB
 :-P)
 
 I like rawdog for a lightweight agregator.

Although its ~350 KiB (uncompressed size) made my eyes round as plates, 
is too simple to my liking :-)

If I were using a lightweight DE or window manager it would be a perfect 
companion but using a full GNOME3 with gnome-shell I expect more 
integration between the RSS reader with its environment.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:47:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 02:58:24PM +, Camaleón wrote:

  A bottom posting style does not mean all the stuff goes to the
  bottom
  
  Yes it does! That is what bottom posting is.
 
 No sir, is just the name what is misleading. Bottom posting also
 applies for an inline style. Regardless its name, the main idea remains
 the same: the reply goes below of the text you are responding.
 
 So what's it called when you plonk everything at the bottom, oops sorry,
 at the very end? End posting?

That's also bottom posting. No need to reinvent the wheel all the time.

  There is also conversation style or interleaved style which is
  the tried and proven preferred way for mailing lists; i.e the style
  you and many others use.
 
 That's also bottom posting ;-)
 
 No, you are confused. 

(...)

That's *your* own interpretation of a well-defined well-known concept and 
of course, *you* can call them as you wish. I prefer to stick to what 
everybody else understand for it, which BTW, has been referenced in this 
same thread (by me), in a form of link to Wikipedia article about this 
issue:

***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Bottom-posting

In the bottom-posting style, the reply is appended to a full or partial 
copy of the original message. The name bottom-posting is sometimes used 
for inline-style replies, and indeed the two formats are the same when 
only one point is being replied to.
***

 Therefore, it makes sense to have *THREE* different definitions.
 correct?

(...)

Not at all when two of them (inline and bottom posting) share 99% of 
their features. Feel free to edit the Wikipedia article to match your own 
opinion ;-)

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Re: bash: halt: command not found

2012-04-08 Thread Brian
On Sun 08 Apr 2012 at 15:34:10 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:

 J. Bakshi baksh...@gmail.com wrote:
  I checked and the is no more /sbin/shutdown :-(
 
 Did you remove sysvinit? This happens, for example, when you install
 upstart, as it conflicts sysvinit.

Acccording to

   http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/upstart/filelist

the package has /sbin/shutdown.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 12:27:56PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 If GPG INLINE signature is so big problem to everyone on this list, lets
 make agreement.
 
 I promise to move to PGP/MIME (with clients which are compatible with
 it) when you have told me how do I verify PGP/MIME signature manually. I

Great! 

 have been trying to do it for 45 minutes without getting anything else
 than message about BAD SIGNATURE.

Ok, I suggest to start a new thread and provide enough information so
that someone can either replicate the problem or see where the problem
lies.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread PMA

Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 08/04/12 23:54, PMA wrote:
snipped


I was caught up thinking how a personal signature -- choosing in a
given instance to enter it or not -- can affect a message's import,
separately from the issue of verification.


Oh good - I couldn't get my head around it when applied to a digital
signature used to show the post had not been modified since sending, and
was sent by the person claiming to have sent it.


I sense I'm willfully misunderstood, but in any case am dropping this 
issue.



...

I have no wish to ignore the convention.  My memory's failing some.
I'll attune better to *which* posting convention (list) I find myself
in.


My bad - I'd mistaken you for someone trolling the it's not a rule
let's vote on it line :-(


That was *not* trolling.  The LilyPond list (a digital-music-scoring site)
had been debating just this top/bottom posting-style issue, and had
fielded exactly this suggestion -- a vote among the list members.  It
struck especially as potentially helpful in the thread here.  If my style
in offering it was inappropriately cavalier, I apologize for that.


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Re: RAID1 does not boot

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 12:11:40 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
 Installation finished. No error reported. This is the contents of the
 device map /boot/grub/device.map. Check if this is correct or not. If
 any of the lines is incorrect, fix it and re-run the script
 `grub-install'.

 (hd0)   /dev/sda
 (hd1)   /dev/sdb

 Only that information was displayed? I'd would have expected more
 (searching for splash image, searching for kernel...), but well, at
 a first glance looks right to me, no errors at least.
 
 no, it only display the above nothing else.

Weird :-?
 
 Just in case, try to run update-grub and check if that fixes the
 
 booting issue.


 ok if i update-grub it means i will shift from grub 1 to 2 maybe so is
 it going to effect any thing because i haven't work on grub 2 before. i
 am big time lenny user as i am new and i always look for stable version
 can grab my hairs for any errors and there are experienced people who
 can help with lenny.

Wait, wait... let's try to clear some points first.

1/ Are you using GRUB legacy or GRUB 2? I already asked you this but you 
still have not replied to this question (or I don't remember). It is 
important to know what's your GRUB's version as both versions differ a 
lot.

2/ update-grub is not used to upgrade GRUB legacy to GRUB 2, it's a 
routine used to reconciliate/populate the changes you've made in your 
menu or configuration files (read man update-grub if you need detailed 
info on what it does).

3/ Are you running Lenny or Squeeze? Lenny is not supported anymore (no 
security patches) so installing lenny -unless you have a specific 
requirement for doing so- is a bad move and a waste of time... you should 
reconsider getting squeeze instead.

4/ You will have to confront GRUB 2 sooner or later :-)

 If you're using GRUB2 I can't understand why the those commands did not
 complain given that partition 0 shouldn't exist :-?


 no i think lenny come with grub 1 by default and i am using the default
 one. what is that complain. can you please explain. i ll update to grub
 2 and show you the command output. but are you sure its not going to
 hurt the running machine because i dont wana conduct the whole
 installation again :( its a pain.

So you're running Lenny... then sir, I'm sorry to say this but you really 
should reconsider reinstalling your full system with squeeze (current 
Debian stable) and now that you still have not started to install 
packages I'd say is the best time for doing it.

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skype?

2012-04-08 Thread Tony van der Hoff
Has anyone here managed to get skype working reliably under Squeeze? I 
have 2.2.0.35-1 for AMD64, but I'm encountering many problems; 
intermittent sound, no video, system crashes.


Google doesn't provide much enlightenment, has anyone got any tips, please?

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Re: bash: halt: command not found

2012-04-08 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Brian,

Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 On Sun 08 Apr 2012 at 15:34:10 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:
 
  J. Bakshi baksh...@gmail.com wrote:
   I checked and the is no more /sbin/shutdown :-(
  
  Did you remove sysvinit? This happens, for example, when you install
  upstart, as it conflicts sysvinit.
 
 Acccording to
 
http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/upstart/filelist
 
 the package has /sbin/shutdown.

Trying to install upstart but failing to unpack the package might
still result in a missing /sbin/shutdown, as sysvinit probably has to
be removed first.

This could, for example, happen because of a power outage. However,
my mentioning of upstart was merely acting as an example of why
sysvinit could have been removed – of course, other reasons
why /sbin/shutdown are missing might still apply and be more
probable, too.

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Re: [OT] Something about google search

2012-04-08 Thread Indulekha
In linux.debian.user, you wrote:
 Thanks for all.

 1] I installed the greasymonkey.

 2] I download the  Add Links to Google Bar form
 http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/115780

 3]  : I don't know how to set the mail.google.com to the host of
 www.google.com, changed  (document.location.host == www.google.com
 not work)


Why don't you just go to the URL the normal way, bookmark it,
then give that bookmark a keyword?

That's how I always do it No rodent fumbling necessary.

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[OT] Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

 I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am
 switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a
 long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is
 that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually
 fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ
 processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest
 version.

(...)

A quick Google search points to a known problem for that board:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=encomplete=0site=webhpq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootoq=Intel+D865PERL+hard+disk+bootaq=faqi=aql=gs_l=serp.3...2893l5210l0l5434l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.pfwc.bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=43704773c80105b2biw=1280bih=888

For example:

http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f15/intel-d865perl-wont-boot-sometimes-25259.html

I would contact Intel tech support and ask them for a fix to this.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 09/04/12 00:18, � wrote:
 On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:47:51 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
 On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 02:58:24PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 A bottom posting style does not mean all the stuff goes to the
 bottom

 Yes it does! That is what bottom posting is.


Actually it can mean two things. When some people use the term they mean
interleaved - it's a debate that's been going for decades.
We've argued but you're using interleaved posting and they've argued
no - our responses are at the bottom of what we're responding to - and
we've argued but bottom posting better describes all responses at the
bottom and they've argued all our responses are at the bottom - of
each thing we're replying to, and we've pointed out they're obsessed
with bottoms, and so the argument continues without punctuation  ;-p

snipped

 
 ***
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Bottom-posting
 
 In the bottom-posting style, the reply is appended to a full or partial 
 copy of the original message. The name bottom-posting is sometimes used 
 for inline-style replies, and indeed the two formats are the same when 
 only one point is being replied to.
 ***
 
 Therefore, it makes sense to have *THREE* different definitions.
 correct?
 
 (...)
 
 Not at all when two of them (inline and bottom posting) share 99% of 
 their features. Feel free to edit the Wikipedia article to match your own 
 opinion ;-)
 
 Greetings,
 

No need (pays to read the whole page):-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
as suggested here:-
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guidelines.2C_and_Tips

This is a problem with wikipedia - which distguishes between bottom and
interleaved, but doesn't show that, as Miles (?) has already pointed out
- what was is sometimes called bottom posting can 'mean' interleaved
posting.

So - it's acceptable to put a your responses beneath the body of the
original post *if* the point you're reply to is at the bottom of the
post. Preferably anything not relevant to your point/s would be trimmed
from the original post.


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Re: skype?

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:20:49 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

 Has anyone here managed to get skype working reliably under Squeeze? I
 have 2.2.0.35-1 for AMD64, but I'm encountering many problems;
 intermittent sound, no video, system crashes.

There is no native 64-bits Skype packages for Linux and 2.2.0.35 is 
beta tagged which seems to be consitent with your problems.
 
 Google doesn't provide much enlightenment, has anyone got any tips,
 please?

I would start by their Support page to run the usual video/sound tests:

https://support.skype.com/en/

For the crashes, you can the usual: launching Spyke from command line to 
get some useful trace.

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Re: skype?

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 09/04/12 00:20, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 Has anyone here managed to get skype working reliably under Squeeze? I
 have 2.2.0.35-1 for AMD64, but I'm encountering many problems;
 intermittent sound, no video, system crashes.
 
 Google doesn't provide much enlightenment, has anyone got any tips, please?
 
Sure - works fine for me, video meetings, shared desktops, call
recording, and usually have two client (different accounts) open at the
same time. I use PulseAudio and Skype 2.2.0.25-1 Beta (didn't know there
was a later version). Port 53305 is opened on the firewall but it
shouldn't make much difference if you've closed it.
SkypCallRecord, Skyessential, Skype4Py and Amarok extensions installed.
Also the python-skype is installed.

Never had a crash. I know a lot of people with the same experience -
though we would love to find another multi-platform, easy to install
voip program, preferably open source, to replace it.

Anything in dmesg or syslog?
In Skype Options, Advanced - tick Display technical information and
then put the mouse over the callers avatar when in a call for jitter and
other info.


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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.

2012-04-08 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day, Camaleón.


Thank You for Your time and answer:

(snipped)

As I said, I think they're following different targets although the
above is not always so, I mean, you can find a company using e-mail
based alerts in a very similar way it does RSS and viceversa (you can
get very, very long and detailed RSS feeds, holding images, audio,
etc...).

PK. You have convicted me w/ advantages of feeds over email.

One thing that troubles my hearts - is it possible in the readers to
remove items in a way that it never appears again on the list when the
feeds are updated?

I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the
claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed
items so that I read through it again.

Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font?

Thank You ,again.


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Re: [OT] Posting styles (was: printer Kyocera FSC-5100DN)

2012-04-08 Thread Indulekha
In linux.debian.user, Chris Bannister wrote:

 No, you are confused. There are three entirely different distinct styles:
 1) Top posting
 2) Bottom posting
 3) Interleaved, inline, conversation. style.

 Therefore, it makes sense to have *THREE* different definitions.
 correct?


There are only two styles, really: rational and lazy.
Call them what you wish, subdivide them if you like, 
but in reality there is only *one* correct way to post.
The term interleaved makes sense, but is redundant as 
it's been called bottom posting since the dawn of email 
and usenet -- and it's generally understood by the everyone 
who has a clue that doing it properly usually results in an 
interleaved conversation. It isn't exactly rocket science! 
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 09/04/12 00:32, PMA wrote:
 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 08/04/12 23:54, PMA wrote:
 snipped

 I was caught up thinking how a personal signature -- choosing in a
 given instance to enter it or not -- can affect a message's import,
 separately from the issue of verification.

 Oh good - I couldn't get my head around it when applied to a digital
 signature used to show the post had not been modified since sending, and
 was sent by the person claiming to have sent it.
 
 I sense I'm willfully misunderstood, but in any case am dropping this
 issue.
 
 ...
 I have no wish to ignore the convention.  My memory's failing some.
 I'll attune better to *which* posting convention (list) I find myself
 in.

 My bad - I'd mistaken you for someone trolling the it's not a rule
 let's vote on it line :-(
 
 That was *not* trolling.

Which part of my bad - I'd mistaken you for someone trolling did you
not understand?  You're too quick to claim offence.

  The LilyPond list (a digital-music-scoring site)
 had been debating just this top/bottom posting-style issue, and had
 fielded exactly this suggestion -- a vote among the list members. 

Maybe on that site the list votes on how the list is run. Though it
sounds like the tail wagging the dog...

On Debian it's usually developers who vote - and the posting style on
this and other debian lists has been debated for almost twenty years
that I'm aware of. People are still free to post as they wish - but I
don't remember the last time I saw a useful response from anyone who
didn't have a preference for interleaved posting style (even if
sometimes they refer to it as bottom posting, with a straight face)


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Re: No sound from Gnash in Iceweasel or Epiphany or from VLC

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 14:19:15 -0400, Kevin Williams wrote:

(please, turn off html, thanks...)

  The video works just fine in both applications, but it has no sound.
  However, I can play ogv videos with sound just fine from Gnome Sound
  Recorder and Totem Movie Player.
 
  My preferred sound device is a Plantronics .Audio 646 DSP usb headset.
  I have also tried plugging in a set of Apple ear buds to the
  traditional sound jacks. I do not get any sound from any source when
  attempting to play videos from VLC, Iceweasel, or Epiphany.

(...)

Your preferred sound device is the headset but is your system of the same 
opinion? :-)

I think the source of the problem can be what output sound device is 
currently handling the system sound: the embedded sound card or your USB 
headset which is detected by the system as an additional (secondary) 
soundcard.

There are some applications (e.g., Ekiga) that allow the user to select 
on-the-fly which device to use for getting sound (internal card outputing 
to the speakers, USB card outputing to the headset, HDMI outputing to an 
sound bar...) but not all apps allow it. 

Additional information on how to tweak the order of the devices (and thus 
setting your preferred card to be your system's preferred one) can be 
found here:

http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 03:07:40PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
 Configuring Icedove to use PGP/MIME is just two clicks. If you read
 all messages, you know that I will move to PGP/MIME when anyone on
 this list explains to me how do I manually verify signature with PGP/MIME.
 
 Verifying INLINE signature = copy-paste the whole message to gpg.

The mail client should do all that for you. 

 Verifying PGP/MIME signature = ?

ditto.

I use the mutt email client and so don't know off hand but do any of
these help:

http://ask.metafilter.com/18209/How-do-I-use-Thunderbirds-inbuilt-encryption
http://www.djigzo.com/documents/smime-setup-guide.pdf
http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php.html

Probably you should post to:
http://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/enigmail/
Archives:
http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/enigmail/

This is interesting:
http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html

Alot of useful information using:

Verifying PGP/MIME signature site:www.mozdev.org

as the search term in google.

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Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Csanyi Pal
Hi,

on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I
see lines:

Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease
Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]
Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex
Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en
Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu

In my sources.list I have lines:

deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main

# Bitlbee
deb http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/testing/amd64/ ./

# Scribus
#deb http://debian.scribus.net/debian/ unstable main

Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Csanyi,

Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
 Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
 Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]

 In my sources.list I have lines:

 Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

Is there something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?

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Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-08 Thread Indulekha
In linux.debian.user, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote:

 I don't have aptitude, never used it. Why would one need apt-get and aptitude
 together?


As a debian user since 2003 I was so accustomed to using apt-get that I just 
stuck with it until squeeze, at which point curiosity compelled me to fool 
with aptitude. My conclusion?  Aptitude is more complete and useful, so it's 
become my preferred package management tool now. :)
Old dogs sometimes do learn new tricks I guess...
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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Joey Hess
Scott Ferguson wrote (remainder of your trolling ignored):
  as this will habituate people to expect your mail to be signed,
 
 Nope. Wishful thinking at best.

True story: Last weekend, I sent a friend an email to get him come
help me move a couch. For complex reasons I neglected to sign it. My
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Grub-install problems was Re: terminal prompts

2012-04-08 Thread Frank McCormick

On 08/04/12 08:51 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 08/04/12 05:49 AM, Paul Saunders wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:37:32 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


On 04/07/2012 04:29 PM, Tom H wrote:

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Frank McCormick
debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:



[cut]


The distro runs fine but slow under KDE, but after I Installed
Icewm, I notice when I load an exterm, the prompt I get is % not
the usual one setup in .bashrc.


[cut]


Can someone explain what's going on ?


What;s your shell? tcsh?


I **thought** it was DASH (the apparent default in Squeeze) so I
ran dpkg-reconfigure dash and picked Bash as the default. But maybe
it wasn't ?  How do I find out for sure ?



dpkg-reconfiguring dash will only update which shell is used to provide
the /bin/sh link. This may or may not be the shell that users get when
they open a terminal.


   Ah..that explains that !


To see what shell you're currently using, try running chsh (as
yourself). That will tell you what your current login shell is. To
change it, enter the full path to the executable, or to keep it, just
press enter.



   That worked...but I caused another problem.
   I still didn't like Mepis, so I booted into Debian Sid and 
forgetting Grub had been last installed by Mepis, formatted the 
partition. Well you know what happened. Next time I booted I ended up at 
the Grub rescue prompt! No problem I thought, I'll just load up my 
SystemRescue CD and fix it. No way! I mounted sda2, and tried to ChRoot 
into it. I couldn't...I kept getting an error message unable to run 
/bin/zsh To make a very long story short, I tried several other live 
cd's but none were of any help, until I got to the Ubuntu LXDE live 
install. I picked the rescue mode, told it to install grub on /dev/sda2 
and it did. An update Grub fixed the cfg file and we're back in 
business. I still don't understand why SystemRescue could not allow me 
to chroot ??


The moral of the story: keep several live cd's on hand, and think BEFORE 
you decide to wipe out a distro on another partition. Linux forces me to 
keep on learning.





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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I
 see lines:

 Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease
 Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
 Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
 Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu

[...]

 Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

Probably not.  You've installed Google Chrome, presumably, and the
installer adds google-chrome.list in the sources.list.d directory.

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Re: Re: ATA/IDE hard drive problem

2012-04-08 Thread Gary Roach

On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 08/04/12 09:41, Gary Roach wrote:
   

I have an older computer that is still completely serviceable that I am
switching over to Linux from win2k. The system has had a glitch for a
long time in that it fails to boot the first time I try. The reason is
that it can't find the WD600BB, 60 GB hard drive. A second try usually
fixed the problem. It has an Intel D865PERL mother board, a P4 2.4 GHZ
processor and 512 MB DDR 400 ram. I just upgraded the BIOS to the latest
version.

If the BOIS ATA/IDE Configuration is set to Extended, the bios finds my
CDROM drive but not the hard drive. If the configuration is set to
Legacy the bios finds the hard drive but not my CDROM drive.
 

Strange. What was the BIOS setting for the hard drive when you installed?

   

The hard
drive is on IDE -1 as master (or stand alone, makes no difference) and
the CDROM is on IDE-2 as master.
 

That makes sense, and it's how I would configure it.

snipped

   

I've run out of ideas. Anyone else have any?
 

Yes - but lets see how your drive is setup first.

Please post the output of:-

# parted -l

or if you don't have parted installed:-

# fdisk -l

   

Gary R


 


Kind regards

   
There seems to be some confusion here. I still have win2k on the 
machine. Linux commands won't work. I think what I am going to do is 
change the ATA/IDE Configuration to Enhanced, put the linux installation 
disk in the CDROM drive and hope that it boots. One of the respondents 
pointed out that Linux doesn't depend on the bios settings to find the 
boot drive. I hope that is true. I may end up with a boat anchor.


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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:15:21 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:

 Good time of the day, Camaleón.
 
 
 Thank You for Your time and answer:
 
 (snipped)
 
As I said, I think they're following different targets although the
above is not always so, I mean, you can find a company using e-mail
based alerts in a very similar way it does RSS and viceversa (you can
get very, very long and detailed RSS feeds, holding images, audio,
etc...).
 
 PK. You have convicted me w/ advantages of feeds over email.

Hope this has no bad drawbacks :-)

 One thing that troubles my hearts - is it possible in the readers to
 remove items in a way that it never appears again on the list when the
 feeds are updated?
 
 I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the
 claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed
 items so that I read through it again.
 
 Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font?

Mmmm, there's an option (for every feed source) you can configure to 
disable cache, not sure about what it does :-?

But now you tell... I have no special configuration for the feeds (all 
use cache and are automatically managed by the app) but if I manually 
deleted one feed, quit from Liferea, start it again and I update that rss 
chanel, the feed I deleted is not coming back.

I'm using and old Liferea (1.4.18) so this could have been changed in 
updated versions (or can be indeed seen as a bug :-P). What version are 
you running?

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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Indulekha
In linux.debian.user, you wrote:
 Hi,

 on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I
 see lines:

 Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease
 Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
 Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
 Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu

 In my sources.list I have lines:

 deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

 deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free

 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main

 # Bitlbee
 deb http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/testing/amd64/ ./

 # Scribus
 #deb http://debian.scribus.net/debian/ unstable main

 Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Csanyi Pal
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:

 Hello Csanyi,

 Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
 Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
 Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]

 In my sources.list I have lines:

 Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

 Is there something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?

Indeed, I find there a file: 'google-talkplugin.list'.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles (now PGP)

2012-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister

[I've posted my reply on d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org]

On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 11:46:11PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

(...)

Interested parties ... please head to
d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org


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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Csanyi Pal
Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com writes:

 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I
 see lines:

 Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease
 Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
 Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
 Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu

 [...]

 Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

 Probably not.  You've installed Google Chrome, presumably, and the
 installer adds google-chrome.list in the sources.list.d directory.

Yes, I have installed Google Chrome browser.

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread PMA



Scott Ferguson wrote:

...
Which part of my bad - I'd mistaken you for someone trolling did you
not understand?  You're too quick to claim offence.
I know this last is true.  If caught in it I've offended you 'too', I'm 
sorry.



  The LilyPond list (a digital-music-scoring site)
had been debating just this top/bottom posting-style issue, and had
fielded exactly this suggestion -- a vote among the list members.


Maybe on that site the list votes on how the list is run. Though it
sounds like the tail wagging the dog...
On Debian it's usually developers who vote

As I recall, the suggestion was meant to improve the developers' sense
of membership preference (to consider in making a developer decision).


People are still free to post as they wish - but I
don't remember the last time I saw a useful response from anyone who
didn't have a preference for interleaved posting style (even if
sometimes they refer to it as bottom posting, with a straight face)

For the record, I've always preferred interleaved (relative bottom?)
style.  But, retired now after 16 years in a mandatory top-post work
environment, I fight my reflex with every email (if I remember) to do
differently.

P.S.  I may as well add here, that it would help me -- in opening a
Debian list email -- *not* to see blank lines at the top of the
message (like the two at top here).  They're what I have to
fight, as they beckon, Now y'all just scribble right in here.

Best regards,
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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Csanyi,

Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Indeed, I find there a file: 'google-talkplugin.list'.

APT also checks this directory. You will probably find dl.google.com
listed in this file. If you don’t like that behaviour, remove the
file :-)

The functionality is meant to provide third-term vendors such as
Google or Opera with a reliable way of integrating their packages
into APT, allowing APT to update them like all others.

Best regards,

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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:25:30 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote:

 on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I
 see lines:
 
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease 
 Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B] 
 Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B] 
 Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex 
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en 
 Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu

(...)

 Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?

Dude, you accepted their terms ;-)

***
https://tools.google.com/chrome/eula.html?hl=en

Note: Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your 
system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you don't 
want Google's repository, do sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome 
before installing the package.
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Re: Aptitude update - http://dl.google.com?

2012-04-08 Thread hvw59601

Patrick Wiseman wrote:

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

on my Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system when I update with aptitude I
see lines:

Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease
Get: 35 http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg [198 B]
Get: 36 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1347 B]
Get: 37 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [765 B]
Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main TranslationIndex
Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en
Ign http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-hu


[...]


Must I worry about of those lines: 'dl.google.com'?


Probably not.  You've installed Google Chrome, presumably, and the
installer adds google-chrome.list in the sources.list.d directory.



Neat! I wondered where that came from.

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Re: [OT] Re: Free as in speech hardware ebook reader

2012-04-08 Thread Panayiotis Karabassis
On 04/07/2012 07:45 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:12:45 +0300, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:
 
 Having a bad track record of not taking care of dead tree books, I am
 looking to buy an electronic book reader.
 
 (...)
 
 I'm following very closely the ongoing movements of Kobo¹ and Vivaldi².
 
 While the former conforms a complete set of hardware/software/e-books the 
 later is a tablet (no e-ink based display) that runs KDE Plasma SC, but 
 both projects seem to share the same objective: let the user to decide.
 
 ¹http://www.kobo.com
 ²http://makeplaylive.com

Thanks! I am more oriented towards the Kobo, since it is an ebook reader
specifically. The promise of an open platform seems alluring.

Do you know if it runs GNU/Linux or whether I'll be able to install it?
Seems perfect, reasonably priced too, thanks.

Sorry I didn't mark my post OT, I wasn't sure if it was, since it kind
of involves Debian.

 Greetings,
 


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Re: OT: favorite free-software email-subscription / feeds.

2012-04-08 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:58:19 +, Camaleón wrote:

 I have tried w/ liferea - and it truly has more features than the
 claws-mail's plug-in - but to my sorrow it again re-lists the removed
 items so that I read through it again.
 
 Any idea? OR You simply discern it by read/unread tokens in font?
 
 Mmmm, there's an option (for every feed source) you can configure to
 disable cache, not sure about what it does :-?
 
 But now you tell... I have no special configuration for the feeds (all
 use cache and are automatically managed by the app) but if I manually
 deleted one feed, quit from Liferea, start it again and I update that
 rss chanel, the feed I deleted is not coming back.
 
 I'm using and old Liferea (1.4.18) so this could have been changed in
 updated versions (or can be indeed seen as a bug :-P).

(...)

Oops, that seems to be the case:

Liferea downloads again and again deleted feed entries
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/659914

If that logic still applies, maybe you have to search a new home for 
your feeds :-)

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Re: [OT] Posting styles

2012-04-08 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 08 April 2012 17:15:49 PMA wrote:
 P.S.  I may as well add here, that it would help me -- in opening a
          Debian list email -- *not* to see blank lines at the top of the
          message (like the two at top here).  They're what I have to
          fight, as they beckon, Now y'all just scribble right in here.

That is your email client, not the list.  I see no such blank lines.  

And anyway, I would have said that what says to most of us start to write 
here is the position of the cursor, and that is attributable to you and your 
email client.

Lisi


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Re: Grub-install problems was Re: terminal prompts

2012-04-08 Thread Indulekha
In linux.debian.user, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
 I mounted sda2, and tried to ChRoot into it. I couldn't...I 
 kept getting an error message unable to run /bin/zsh 

Perhaps because it's /usr/bin/zsh?

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