Re: debian et onduleur
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:37:17 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr wrote: Et c'est quoi qui fait que ça consomme ? Parce quand la charge (le PC) ne tire pas dessus dans quoi débite-t-il pour consommer autant ??? La conversion #1: AC-DC, mais justement, c'est normalement limité à la formule que j'ai donné avant (et bcp moins pour les Nlles générations)... -- Dju Abusé, je me suis endormi en cours ce matin -_- Gib Ca craint... Et le prof a dit quoi ? Dju C'est moi le prof... :/ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921082117.5a183ac5@anubis.defcon1
Re: Macbook air 5,2 et Debian
Année 2012, mardi 24 juillet, vers 10:21, Edi Stojicevic écrivait: Bonjour, Quelqu'un a essayé d'installer une Debian sur le tout dernier macbook air 2012 version 5.2 ? Tous les tutos trouvés concernent les premiers macbook air :( Bonjour Edi, je suis également intéressé par cette question (précisément pour la version 5.1 mais c'est proche). Avez-vous avancé sur ce point ; avez-vous essayé d'installer Debian dessus ? Merci de votre retour sur expérience(s). -- Alexandre Delanoë -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921064011.ga15...@delanoe.org
Re: debian et onduleur
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:43:09 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr wrote: Celui d'APC a la fonctionnalité maître/esclave sur les prises mais n'en a que 6, Et...? Étant donné qu'on ne relie que les UCs à la bête, avoir 50 prises ne sert pas à grand chose; par ailleurs, au cas où, une des prises supporte généralement un drain de courant Tsupérieur aux autres et une simple multi-prise suffit. À noter: ils ont tous 4 prises mini, mais sont aussi quasiment tous livrés avec seulement 2 rallonges :( alors que celui d'Eaton en a 8 et à l'avantage d'avoir un support linux par le fabricant. En fonction de la gamme choisie et vu le volume représenté par les OS non-w$ chez les svrs, aucun fabricant ne prendra le risque de ne pas être compatible avec un STD du marché ou de ne pas fournir son propre daemon. Que pensez-vous de ces deux modèles ? Le Black UPS Pro est-il bien géré sous debian (sur le site de nut il est marqué comme dev par reverse engineering) ? Que ce sont _aussi_ les dimensions des batteries qui importent, parce que certains utilisent les mêmes capacités de batteries mais avec des dimensions différentes - la diffusion de certaines dimensions étant très limitée, le prix peut varier du simple au presque double lors du renouvellement. Et que tout ce qui importe c'est que les 3 niveaux de charge soient correctement MàJ en temps réel; le reste c'est gadget (à part peut-être 'danger d'explosion'). -- Shiraa_Shiraya j'ais 6piercing en tout la ^^ Shiraa_Shiraya non 7 Shiraa_Shiraya il m'en faut encore 4 mais petit a petit Modem27 Shiraa_Shiraya is now known as Passoire -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921084854.04faac82@anubis.defcon1
Re: debian et onduleur
On 09/20/2012 11:37 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:05:08 +0200 maderiosmader...@gmail.com a écrit: On 09/20/2012 11:48 AM, Bzzz wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:36:26 +0200 maderiosmader...@gmail.com wrote: Ton onduleur consomme donc exactement de la même manière, qu'il alimente un PC, écran, etc ou qu'il n'alimente rien du tout. Ce n'est pas négligeable pour un onduleur qui consomme entre 600 et 1000 Wh. NON, un onduleur offline ne consommera que ce qu'il lui faut pour maintenir la batterie à 100% de charge (ou la recharger si besoin est). Un onduleur online, qui est doté d'une technologie faisant qu'en sus de la consommation ci-dessus, ne consomme que lorsqu'il est sollicité (et qq µA sinon). Le tout s'ajoutant, bien sûr à la consommation de veille du PC qd son alim n'est pas coupée manuellement. J'utilise des onduleurs online et offline depuis 1997. Ces onduleurs consomment dès qu'ils sont branchés sur le secteur. Touche ton onduleur, il est aussi chaud, utilisé ou non. Ensuite le compteur électrique tourne de la même manière, que tu te serves de l'onduleur ou non. Les économiseurs en tous genres n'ont donc aucune utilité si le PC est alimenté par un onduleur. Et c'est quoi qui fait que ça consomme ? Parce quand la charge (le PC) ne tire pas dessus dans quoi débite-t-il pour consommer autant ??? Gaëtan Le pont redresseur qui charge la batterie est alimenté en permanence par le secteur. La batterie est constamment sous tension. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onduleur https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redresseur -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c2398.3090...@gmail.com
Re: debian et onduleur
On 09/20/2012 11:37 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:05:08 +0200 maderiosmader...@gmail.com a écrit: On 09/20/2012 11:48 AM, Bzzz wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:36:26 +0200 maderiosmader...@gmail.com wrote: Ton onduleur consomme donc exactement de la même manière, qu'il alimente un PC, écran, etc ou qu'il n'alimente rien du tout. Ce n'est pas négligeable pour un onduleur qui consomme entre 600 et 1000 Wh. NON, un onduleur offline ne consommera que ce qu'il lui faut pour maintenir la batterie à 100% de charge (ou la recharger si besoin est). Un onduleur online, qui est doté d'une technologie faisant qu'en sus de la consommation ci-dessus, ne consomme que lorsqu'il est sollicité (et qq µA sinon). Le tout s'ajoutant, bien sûr à la consommation de veille du PC qd son alim n'est pas coupée manuellement. J'utilise des onduleurs online et offline depuis 1997. Ces onduleurs consomment dès qu'ils sont branchés sur le secteur. Touche ton onduleur, il est aussi chaud, utilisé ou non. Ensuite le compteur électrique tourne de la même manière, que tu te serves de l'onduleur ou non. Les économiseurs en tous genres n'ont donc aucune utilité si le PC est alimenté par un onduleur. Et c'est quoi qui fait que ça consomme ? Parce quand la charge (le PC) ne tire pas dessus dans quoi débite-t-il pour consommer autant ??? Gaëtan Plus précisément https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_sans_interruption#En_attente_passive -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c2493.9080...@gmail.com
Re: debian et onduleur
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Que pensez-vous de ces deux modèles ? Le Black UPS Pro est-il bien géré sous debian (sur le site de nut il est marqué comme dev par reverse engineering) ? Les onduleurs APC ont leur propre logiciel de gestion appelé apcupsd. Et oui, il est dans Debian. Nous utilisons des Back UPS et des Smart UPS sans problème sous Debian aussi bien en liaison série qu'en liaison USB. -- Etienne Vogt (etienne.v...@obspm.fr) Observatoire de Paris-Meudon Service Informatique -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1209211054050.13...@siolinb.obspm.fr
Re: graveur firewire non reconnu
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Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:28:01 +0200 Francois Boisson franc...@boisson.homeip.net a écrit: [...] Bon, j'ai lancé un message sur la liste linux-kernel qui n'intéresse pas grand monde. Quelqu'un connaitrait-il la séquence dans le noyau effectuant l'extinction d'une machine et surtout les fonctions éteignant les périphériques, un grep power_off sur arch et sur kernel me donne qd même beaucoup de candidats et j'aimerais éviter de me farcir des centaines de lignes inutilement... François Boisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921170844.6f7b767b9b773e3f8c702...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On 09/21/2012 05:08 PM, François Boisson wrote: Le Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:28:01 +0200 Francois Boissonfranc...@boisson.homeip.net a écrit: [...] Bon, j'ai lancé un message sur la liste linux-kernel qui n'intéresse pas grand monde. Quelqu'un connaitrait-il la séquence dans le noyau effectuant l'extinction d'une machine et surtout les fonctions éteignant les périphériques, un grep power_off sur arch et sur kernel me donne qd même beaucoup de candidats et j'aimerais éviter de me farcir des centaines de lignes inutilement... Je doute fort que le noyau soit le Seul responsable. Je penserais plutôt au bios, à l'utilisation du bios par ta machine, utilisation différente avec W$ et linux. Linux avec son noyau peut ignorer certaines fonctions du bios tandis que W$ ne peut s'en passer. -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c8f92.2000...@gmail.com
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:02:26 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Je doute fort que le noyau soit le Seul responsable. Je penserais plutôt au bios, à l'utilisation du bios par ta machine, utilisation différente avec W$ et linux. Linux avec son noyau peut ignorer certaines fonctions du bios tandis que W$ ne peut s'en passer. Hum, c'est bien vague tout ça. Il faut noter que ce problème semble exister sur d'autres machines (on a parlé de VAIO notamment) et n'a pas lieu avec un noyau 2.6.37-486-PAE. Il semble donc que le souci vienne vriament des noyaux 3.x. Je suspectais d'abord le Wake on Wlan mais le fait que la consommation soit pile poil celle lors de la mise en veille et que le noyau lui même évoque la possibilité que des parties de la machine restent sous tension me conduise à chercher dans cette direction. Apparement, la power_off se fait par la fonction kerne_power_off qui appele machine_power_off qui appelle machine_ops.power_off qui est en fait pm_power_offf qui elle dépend de la plate forme. Là les difficultés (!) commencent car cela pourrait être apm_power_off (si l'apm est supporté?) xo1_power_off pour les vieux PC Je pense que c'est apm_power_off qui demande au BIOS le power_off. Il passe par la fonction set_power_state qui fait un simple apm_bios_call_simple. Ben Ça ne m'éclaire pas sur la façon de vérifier que les bazars sont réellement éteints. Je continue à chercher entre 2 copies... François Boisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921182540.052846de9b48f47ead0d1...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On 09/21/2012 06:25 PM, François Boisson wrote: Le Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:02:26 +0200 maderiosmader...@gmail.com a écrit: Je doute fort que le noyau soit le Seul responsable. Je penserais plutôt au bios, à l'utilisation du bios par ta machine, utilisation différente avec W$ et linux. Linux avec son noyau peut ignorer certaines fonctions du bios tandis que W$ ne peut s'en passer. Hum, c'est bien vague tout ça. Il faut noter que ce problème semble exister sur d'autres machines (on a parlé de VAIO notamment) et n'a pas lieu avec un noyau 2.6.37-486-PAE. Il semble donc que le souci vienne vriament des noyaux 3.x. Recompiler un noyau 3 à ta sauce permettrait de t'affranchir des noyaux Debian. J'ai rencontré des problèmes avec les noyaux Debian patchés, problèmes qui disparaissaient avec mes noyaux compilés maison. D'ailleurs, je n'utilise jamais de noyau Debian et je n'en vois pas l'utilité. Mais ceci est une autre trollitude... Bon courage. -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c9817.6070...@gmail.com
Compiler son noyau
Salut ! Maderios a écrit : Recompiler un noyau 3 à ta sauce permettrait de t'affranchir des noyaux Debian. J'ai rencontré des problèmes avec les noyaux Debian patchés, problèmes qui disparaissaient avec mes noyaux compilés maison. D'ailleurs, je n'utilise jamais de noyau Debian et je n'en vois pas l'utilité. Mais ceci est une autre trollitude... Bon courage. Du coup, j'en profite, connais-tu un bon lien qui explique la compilation du noyau ? je vois ça http://www.isalo.org/wiki.debian-fr/index.php?title=Compiler_et_patcher_son_noyau mais c'est assez archaique... Merci ! Gaël
Re: Compiler son noyau
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:58:11 +0200 Gaël gag...@gmail.com wrote: Du coup, j'en profite, connais-tu un bon lien qui explique la compilation du noyau ? Déjà, installer kernel-package qui devrait normalement entrainer les dépendances voulues, Après, installer un source du kernel, Debian ou à partir de www.kernel.org et le décompresser dans /usr/src, puis faire un symlink: ln azerty-NNN linux, cd linux, puis make menuconfig choisir les options voulues - vu que tu ne l'as jamais fait, mieux vaut d'abord partir du fichier de conf d'un kernel Debian (cp /boot/config-a.b.c-986 /usr/src/linux/.config et élaguer au fur et à mesure que tu connaîtras mieux ton matériel, Et enfin, un make-kpkg kernel_image qui va lancer la compilation du kernel et des modules, et leur encapsulation dans un .deb qui se trouvera un étage plus haut (/usr/src). Last, but not the least: dpgk -i monkernelamoikejècompilékomungran.deb, vérifier que les symlinks en racine ont été MàJ (vmlinuz + initrd.img-tout du moins tant que tu laisseras ton kernel en mode initrd), et reboot. -- Lynal Définissez en deux mots le concept de la théorie de la complexité traitant d'un parcours Eulérien et Hamiltonien concernant un graphe connexe. Faf34 Ta gueule. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921203311.62ee65f1@anubis.defcon1
Re: Compiler son noyau
On 09/21/2012 07:58 PM, Gaël wrote: Salut ! Maderios a écrit : Recompiler un noyau 3 à ta sauce permettrait de t'affranchir des noyaux Debian. J'ai rencontré des problèmes avec les noyaux Debian patchés, problèmes qui disparaissaient avec mes noyaux compilés maison. D'ailleurs, je n'utilise jamais de noyau Debian et je n'en vois pas l'utilité. Mais ceci est une autre trollitude... Bon courage. Du coup, j'en profite, connais-tu un bon lien qui explique la compilation du noyau ? je vois ça http://www.isalo.org/wiki.debian-fr/index.php?title=Compiler_et_patcher_son_noyau C'est plus simple que cela, surtout avec Debian. Installer les paquets deb indiqués au début de la page. Télécharger le paquet source ici par ex https://www.kernel.org/ et le décompresser en /usr/src Surtout, connaître ton matériel lshw-gtk est utile Ensuite ds répertoire sources tu lanceras make menuconfig où tu choisiras tes options, modules, etc... Ce n'est pas le plus facile quand on débute. Pour ne pas s'y perdre, avant de lancer make menuconfig, essaie avec un noyau debian officiel et lsmod de voir quels modules sont chargés. Voir également le fichier du noyau officiel debian /boot/config- . Tu copies ce fichier de conf du noyau officiel en .config ds le répertoire des sources. Ce qui donne par ex : /usr/src/ton-noyau/ton-noyau/.config et ensuite tu fais make menuconfig ds répertoire sources. Cette conf du noyau officiel peut te servir de base pour un noyau personnalisé. Sinon, écume le net concernant les options. Ex http://kernelnewbies.org/ Quand tu en as fini avec make menuconfig, tu enregistres ta conf puis tu lances la compilation make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd Durée= entre +- 3 et 30 mn selon ton processeur. Tu obtiens un beau paquet .deb que tu installes avec dpkg Si tu veux recompiler ne pas oublier de faire make-kpkg clean Surtout, laisse un noyau opérationnel en option au boot. Si tu t'es planté, tu pourras démarrer quand même avec ce noyau. Cordialement -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505cb7b9.9060...@gmail.com
Re: Compiler son noyau
On 09/21/2012 08:33 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:58:11 +0200 Gaëlgag...@gmail.com wrote: Du coup, j'en profite, connais-tu un bon lien qui explique la compilation du noyau ? Déjà, installer kernel-package qui devrait normalement entrainer les dépendances voulues, Après, installer un source du kernel, Debian ou à partir de www.kernel.org et le décompresser dans /usr/src, puis faire un symlink: ln azerty-NNN linux, cd linux, puis make menuconfig choisir les options voulues - vu que tu ne l'as jamais fait, mieux vaut d'abord partir du fichier de conf d'un kernel Debian (cp /boot/config-a.b.c-986 /usr/src/linux/.config et élaguer au fur et à mesure que tu connaîtras mieux ton matériel, Et enfin, un make-kpkg kernel_image qui va lancer la compilation du kernel et des modules, et leur encapsulation dans un .deb qui se trouvera un étage plus haut (/usr/src). la commande minimum c'est make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd sinon boxon assuré concernant les modules ! -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505cb8fc.4070...@gmail.com
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 06:38:47PM +0200, maderios wrote: D'ailleurs, je n'utilise jamais de noyau Debian et je n'en vois pas l'utilité. Mais ceci est une autre trollitude... Bah, quand ça marche, c'est pratique, pasque ça s'installe en 2 coup de cuillère à pot et que le suivi de sécurité est totomatique. Après, sur matériel peu courant (et apparement les portables sont... toujours exotiques, en 2012...), ça marche pas, c'est sur. Y. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921190344.ga16...@naryves.com
Re: Macbook air 5,2 et Debian
Année 2012, mardi 24 juillet, vers 10:21, Edi Stojicevic écrivait: Bonjour, Quelqu'un a essayé d'installer une Debian sur le tout dernier macbook air 2012 version 5.2 ? Publié en août: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2039799 Je me demande si les paquets supplémentaires seraient installables sur Debian (et par quels dépôts). -- Alexandre Delanoë -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921213047.ga16...@delanoe.org
POSTA CERTIFICATA: Photos
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Re: Posible problema al actualizar initrd
El 20/09/12 18:28, Angel Vicente escribió: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 03:59:57PM +, Camaleón wrote: El Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:47:12 +0200, Angel Vicente escribió: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:19:53PM +, Camaleón wrote: ¿Cómo has compilado el kernel? Lo compilo con make-kpkg, Es decir: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=version kernel_imag ¿no? Si previamente preparo el .config con make menuconfig. Entonces generas un nuevo menú con cada compilación. Reviso el .config del kernel anterior, generalmente no hay grandes cambios Quizá generaste la imagen mal... Mira a ver si lo que te dice es cierto o no, es decir, si el identificador de la partición apunta al lugar correcto. Otro de los motivos habituales por los que aparece este mensaje es que te falte algún módulo de gestión del disco duro (sata, ahci... o alguno específico para tu controladora), o que no lo hayas compilado integrado sino como módulo, y no lo pueda cargar. Con lo que he observado puedo deducir que no seria el caso: el primer kernel que empezó a fallar fue uno que tenia funcional desde el mes de junio, ¿Y dejó de funcionar sin más? No estoy seguro, pero creo que fue despues de actualizar algun paquete que desencadeno el update-initramfs. el siguiente ha fallado desde el primer momento y está compilado en fechas posteriores a la de la observacion del fallo, es decir, en este ultimo si cabe la posibilidad que indicas, pero en el otro no. Igualmente convendría que descartaras lo que te dice el mensaje de error (es decir, que el cargador de arranque apunta al disco/partición correcto), cosas más tontunas he visto. Puedes comparar los dos .config de los kernels (de uno que funcione y otro que no) para ver las diferencias :-? Normalmente reciclo los .config: copio de un kernel para la siguiente compilacion, y despues ajusto con make menuconfig, Una vez que ejecutas menuconfig y guardas los cambios sobreescribes (bueno, no, creo que lo renombra a .config.old) cualquier .config que tengas en la raíz donde están las fuentes, es decir, que te cargas todos los cambios que estuvieran en el .config original reutilziado. He arrancado con un CD de rescate y chequeado las particiones, como indicaba el compañero Daniel, no se han hallado errores y los arranques siguen haciendo lo mismo. Transcribo los errores de udev como sugeria el compañero Juan Antonio (mis disculpas por no habe leido antes su mensaje) udevd[357]: error getting socket: Address family not supported by protocol error initializing udev control socket (este mensaje sale dos veces seguidas) udevd[357]: error getting socket: Address family no supported by protocol udevadm[364]: error getting socket: Address family not suported by protocol ¿Es posible que el error este relacionado con udev?, el udev lo actualice, pero fue en agosto, no creo que tenga que ver. Saludos Hola, echa un ojo a esto. http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Udevd:_init_udevd_socket:_error_getting_socket:_Address_family_not_supported_by_protocol Un saludo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c0a23.1070...@limbo.deathwing.net
Error en debian etch kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init = option to kernel
Hola muy buenas, al arrancar un debian un pelín antiguo que tenemos un proxy http montado, me ha reportado el siguiente error... Según he leído, puede deberse a que el initrd esté dañado. Alguien ha tenido el mismo error?? Saludos y gracias de antemano. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/99f246844d11d1bb44bfb7f5fc6a5...@maykel.sytes.net
Re: Modificar imágenes de escaner en LibreOffice
On 20/09/12 11:08, Miguel Matos wrote: Saludos al grupo. Esta duda me salió un tanto liberada. ¿Existe alguna forma de poder modificar una imagen obtenida de un de escáner en LibreOffice? O veamos si lo puedo plantear bien: inserto la hoja a escanear, uso la función, obtengo la imagen. Esa imagen ¿cómo la puedo modificar para obtener el texto en la misma posición del original? Quizás lo haya, pero no sé cómo plantear la pregunta en Google, por ello recurro de nuevo a la lista. Tal vez Tesseract puede servirte con ese propósito. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract_(software) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c6aa4.7000...@gamil.com
Super OT
Hola, disculpa que use esta forma para solucionar un problema que tengo acá, y necesito saber si me pudiera ayudar con un pequeño problemilla que tengo Resulta que por estar en cuba no puedo bajar el zimbra 8 (políticas made in USA) y quisiera saber si alguien que contacte por el privado me lo pudiera descargar y subirlo a mediafire.com si no es mucha molestia http://files2.zimbra.com/downloads/8.0.0_GA/zcs-8.0.0_GA_5434.UBUNTU12_64.20 120907144631.tgz saludos Yanier Empresa Eléctrica Provincial Ciego de Avila Ave de los Deportes, esq. Circunvalación Norte Telef: 200708 attachment: Ing__Yanier_Salazar_S__nchez.vcf
Re: Super OT
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:03:43 -0500 Yanier Salazar Sanchez yanier.sala...@eleccav.une.cu wrote: Pero pesa 669M ?!! -- Voip Mumble :. http://mumble.com.ar Web Hosting :. http://mamalibre.com.ar Red Social :. http://legadolibre.com.ar Jabber/XMPP :. http://mamalibre.com.ar/xmpp/ MamaLibre, Casa en Lincoln, Ituzaingo 1085 CP6070, Buenos Aires, Argentina pgpsEXHGDABir.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Super OT
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:03:43 -0500 Yanier Salazar Sanchez yanier.sala...@eleccav.une.cu wrote: Proba este comando a ver wget -c http://cut07.tk/aCt Saludos -- Voip Mumble :. http://mumble.com.ar Web Hosting :. http://mamalibre.com.ar Red Social :. http://legadolibre.com.ar Jabber/XMPP :. http://mamalibre.com.ar/xmpp/ MamaLibre, Casa en Lincoln, Ituzaingo 1085 CP6070, Buenos Aires, Argentina pgphXSbhr8Ae9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Super OT
El Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:03:43 -0500, Yanier Salazar Sanchez escribió: Vale que sea súper-ot, pero el formato html sobra :-) (...) Resulta que por estar en cuba no puedo bajar el zimbra 8 (políticas made in USA) y quisiera saber si alguien que contacte por el privado me lo pudiera descargar y subirlo a mediafire.com si no es mucha molestia http://files2.zimbra.com/downloads/8.0.0_GA/zcs-8.0.0_GA_5434.UBUNTU12_64.20120907144631.tgz Y os he comentado que os puedo enviar (o subir) lo que queráis, pero pedirlo en privado no en la lista. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3i0uc$oni$7...@ger.gmane.org
off-topic: Programador php+mysql
Gentes: Recurro a la lista para ver si puedo dar con un programador en php+mysql, preferentemente bajo linux (y si va por el lado de debian mejor) por un laburo especifico en capital federal Si alguno esta dispuesto o conoce de alguien con buenas referencias, que me contacten a este mail. Perdon, por el off-topic pero considero un buen lugar a donde apuntar.
Leosbel
Hola, soy nuevo en la lista y quisiera saber si me pudieran enviar alguna guia para instalar el correo y un servidor jabber en Debian, les agradeceria que la informacion me la enviaran adjunta por correo. No cuento con servicio de Internet. Atte, Leosbel attachment: leosbel.vcf
hacer funcionar el plugin flashplayer para firefox en debian 6
Hola a todos Tengo Debian 6 con firefox en la carpeta /opt/firefox y me funciona super bien pero tengo un problema Como agregarle el plugin de flashplayer, lo tengo descompactado y necesito que me funcione con ese plugin ?? Alguna idea ? agradecidamente a todos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/10b726233fd53e7699e761c956cda...@ida.cu
Re: hacer funcionar el plugin flashplayer para firefox en debian 6
Repositorios amigos, todo lo que buscas está en los repositorios. Prueba a instalar el paquete flashplugin-nonfree, cierra el navegador y vuelvelo a abrir. El 21 de septiembre de 2012 23:38, l...@ida.cu escribió: Hola a todos Tengo Debian 6 con firefox en la carpeta /opt/firefox y me funciona super bien pero tengo un problema Como agregarle el plugin de flashplayer, lo tengo descompactado y necesito que me funcione con ese plugin ?? Alguna idea ? agradecidamente a todos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-REQUEST@**lists.debian.orgdebian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/**10b726233fd53e7699e761c956cdac** 3...@ida.cuhttp://lists.debian.org/10b726233fd53e7699e761c956cda...@ida.cu -- Pau Font Webmaster de Bytedevil.es https://launchpad.net/~bytedevil
Re: hacer funcionar el plugin flashplayer para firefox en debian 6
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:38:35 -0400 l...@ida.cu wrote: Lo copias en esta ubicación /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so luego generas un enlace donde esta tu firefox ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /opt/firefox/plugins/ Saludos -- Voip Mumble :. http://mumble.com.ar Web Hosting :. http://mamalibre.com.ar Red Social :. http://legadolibre.com.ar Jabber/XMPP :. http://mamalibre.com.ar/xmpp/ MamaLibre, Casa en Lincoln, Ituzaingo 1085 CP6070, Buenos Aires, Argentina pgpuiYyqStsTT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: hacer funcionar el plugin flashplayer para firefox en debian 6
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:52:47 -0300, Fabián Bonetti wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:38:35 -0400 l...@ida.cu wrote: Lo copias en esta ubicación /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so luego generas un enlace donde esta tu firefox ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /opt/firefox/plugins/ Saludos Hola Fabia muchas gracias perfecto, solucionado, gracias, buena respuesta, brillante. Agradecido a ti y atodos los de la lista. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5c07b5ba90be3d8a6438249c23ed0...@ida.cu
Re: no me funciona el teclado ni mouse en X
El 21/09/12 19:45, Gonzalo Rivero escribió: Holas, pues... eso. Ayer o anteayer actualicé mi debian (tengo testing, para amd64 y actualizo cada 15 dias a un mes mas o menos) y al volver a encender la computadora desde entonces me doy con que no funcionaba el teclado ni el mouse, inicialmente pensé que era algo raro del gdm/gnome, así que entré por ssh y apagué gdm, probé startx y nada, teclado ni mouse responden (pero se que no se clavó el sistema porque veo cosas como el clima actualizándose) Entonces fui un paso mas atrás, xinit, para no cargar ningún entorno... y tampoco. Como pueden ver en el log ( http://pastebin.com/9FFx8DGc ) lo único raro son unos warning en la línea 40 que me desactiva teclado y mouse por no se que de hotplug, probé arrancando entonces SIN archivo de configuración y lo único que cambió es resolución bien fea porque levantó con vesa y no el driver de nvidia... y el mouse y teclado siguen sin funcionar. ¿donde se como desactivar ese hotplug?, igual no estoy desconectando y conectando el teclado ni el mouse todo el tiempo, de hecho mi computadora está en un lugar que esos conectores quedan muy incómodos como para estar poniendo y sacando a cada rato Cabe notar que no son usb o algo 'nuevo' sino los ps/2 de toda la vida, y que ni siquiera responden los led de blocknum/mayus/despl cuando estoy en X, por lo tanto no puedo pasar a las consolas y estoy obligado a entrar por ssh para matar X y poder hacer cosas. Saludos. He tenido ese problema hace algún tiempo. Intenta desinstalar x, borrando su configuración. apt-get purge xorg y después instalas gnome de nuevo: apt-get install gnome Pero no te apures, espera a que alguien más responda. Saludos. -- Cuando tus fuerzas terminan, las de Dios comienzan... attachment: francipvb.vcf
Re: no me funciona el teclado ni mouse en X
Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com writes: Como pueden ver en el log ( http://pastebin.com/9FFx8DGc ) lo único raro son unos warning en la línea 40 que me desactiva teclado y mouse por no se que de hotplug, probé arrancando entonces SIN archivo de configuración y lo único que cambió es resolución bien fea porque levantó con vesa y no el driver de nvidia... y el mouse y teclado siguen sin funcionar. ¿donde se como desactivar ese hotplug? No veo que se carga el módulo evdev. ¿Tienes instalado el paquete xserver-xorg-input-evdev? Lo otro que puede ser es que tengas problemas con udev. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txur551z@tochka.ru
Mysql + Wheezy
Bom dia, estou com um problema estranho com o mysql no wheezy, eu só consigo logar como root com senha que criei durante a instalação, qualquer outro usuário que crio da 'Access denied for user' achei com fosse problema com o bind address já comentei a linha e continua sem acesso, alguém sabe o que pode ser? Abraço, Rafael Bedendo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c64c8.9040...@gmail.com
Re: Mysql + Wheezy
Já, inclusive o etc etc etc. rsrsrsr Em 21-09-2012 10:34, Flávio Ferreira escreveu: Já tentou dar.. grant all privilegies no user@localhost / user@127.0.0.1 mailto:user@127.0.0.1 / user@ip / etc etc etc Em 21 de setembro de 2012 09:59, Rafael Bedendo rafael.bede...@gmail.com mailto:rafael.bede...@gmail.com escreveu: Bom dia, estou com um problema estranho com o mysql no wheezy, eu só consigo logar como root com senha que criei durante a instalação, qualquer outro usuário que crio da 'Access denied for user' achei com fosse problema com o bind address já comentei a linha e continua sem acesso, alguém sabe o que pode ser? Abraço, Rafael Bedendo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c64c8.9040...@gmail.com -- Flávio Ferreira Figueiredo
Re: Servidor de log
Washington, Acredito que vale a pena dar uma olhada na documentação disponibilizada pela canonical. Tem tudo que você precisa: servidor de logs centralizado para Windows e Linux http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/resources/white-papers/centralised-logging-rsyslog Apesar de a documentação se referir ao Ubuntu, funciona muito bem para o Debian também. Estou utilizando aqui e tem funcionado perfeitamente para alguns Windows7, Debian, Ubuntu, .. Att, Jarbas Em 13 de setembro de 2012 09:51, Washington Alves wae...@gmail.comescreveu: Bom dia pessoal, Queria saber se alguém tem uma indicaçãode servidor de logs que tenha integração com Linux e Windows, se possível com alertas por e-mail e relatórios. Abraço, Washington
Bluetooth
Selamlar.. Bluetooth kullanmak için bluedevil paketini kurdum ama bluetooth çalısmıyor. Sizin bildiğiniz çalışan bir bluetooth paketi varmı?
Re: Installation
Am 19.09.2012 um 18:59 schrieb lee: Helmut Wollmersdorfer helmut.wollmersdor...@fixpunkt.de writes: Am 18.09.2012 um 19:06 schrieb Ross Boylan: I remember someone saying a pigeon could install Debian [...] You can try an installation under Virtualbox, which is available free for all major OSes (Linux, Win, Mac OSX). AFAIR the only needed choices are keyboard and language. You mean like booting from a live CD and then use VirtualBox to install Debian on your computer? Isn't that a bit complicated? No. This was not meant as a better way to install Debian, but as a way to easily try out the installer, or compare the installation of different OSes or versions. Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1ee79e10-161e-48c6-adcd-a246302cf...@fixpunkt.de
Re: Installation
Am 20.09.2012 um 16:31 schrieb Camaleón: For the lazy users who are not interested in what their systems are or run, a big _sure_. If there were nobody solving their issues (and I'm quite confident that Windows users have *a lot of* problems) they will look for another solution that breaks less... it can be Apple (but I *must* use Apple here in the company. Maybe Apple breaks less than Win$. But if it breaks, it's more boring than Win$. Mac OSX is sometimes the hell for a software developer or a server- admin. But for a simple user a tablet is maybe the best choice. their products are not affordable) or it can be -oh, what was the name...-, ah, yes, Linux. Linux is a good (the best?) choice, if you want stability, good diagnosis, special configurations. And the installer of Debian did a great step forward since ~2003 -- especially in simplicitity and flexibilty. Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b8c8032c-886f-4830-ae40-d405d0c8f...@fixpunkt.de
Re: ntpd crashes.
On 20 September 2012 22:20, Mauro mrsan...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 September 2012 16:56, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Someone who Stefan failed to identify wrote: ...ntpd crashes on my server. Time jumps forward one hour every time this has happened. I doubt ntpd is crashing. Most likely something else is jumping the system clock and ntpd is behaving as designed and exiting when it sees a one hour error. Shut down ntpd, set the clock correctly, and wait. I suspect that eventually you'll see the clock jump even without ntpd running. -- John Hasler Yes that is. I have no cron jobs at all, I only have xen and heartbeat + pacemaker on my two nodes and no processes that set the system clock. The clock jumps ahead of one or two hours and I don't know why. Perhaps some kernel bug? It seems not ntp problem but a kernel bug: http://my.opera.com/marcomarongiu/blog/2010/08/18/debugging-ntp-again-part-4-and-last -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAE17a0WcpqaoSK6ZJsT0MTmLHmPyqOH=tjeiv0bzyqx9yu1...@mail.gmail.com
Virtualkeyboard like to one from Android Tablets or the iPad?
Hello, I use currently on my PanelPC xvkbd which is the last crap on earth and the design is for the ass. Does someone know, whether the virtual keyboard from Android exist as source which can be used under Debian GNU/Linux? Also it would be nice, if it can be activated with a double-click in input fields in programs and websites Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Virtualkeyboard like to one from Android Tablets or the iPad?
Hi. fre, 21 09 2012 kl. 13:10 +0200, skrev Michelle Konzack: and the design is for the ass. Just curious.. How do a keyboard look, when it's designed for the ass and exactly HOW do one operate it ? -- Tom Rausner -- www.tomtech.dk tomt...@tomtech.dk ICQ:276707843 -- Nothing comes all by itself -not even the Universe ! -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348229132.2262.2.camel@TomTech
Re: let logrotate create an new empty file?
From your explanations, I understand that logrotate would create the file if logrotate rotates the file, which requires the file to exist in the first place, so create it manually and let logrotate rotate and create the file in the future. Does that work? (This somewhat ignores issues with file permissions that may exist.) Yes, this works, but I don't want to create this with an extra command, because the application (script) delivers the own crontab (/etc/cron.d/ and own logrotate (etc/logrotate.d) file. I thought this is enough and that logrotate is going to create the logfile with the right permissions. So maybe I overlook something in the configuration from logrotate? If it is not possible, so I have to use install or touch,chmod/chown ... Meike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafnhia-vxt9dfvz7hr+ccptu2pg0m6iwbytvlq8m312g+u1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Virtualkeyboard like to one from Android Tablets or the iPad?
Le 21/09/2012 13:10, Michelle Konzack a écrit : Hello, I use currently on my PanelPC xvkbd which is the last crap on earth and the design is for the ass. Hi, you can try kvkbd (KDE) - not sure if it's any better. There probably is a GNOME alternative, too, I suppose. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c5b1c.4020...@asterion.fr
Re: Installation
lee wrote: Besides that, it appears to me that people for reasons that escape me are willing to put up with whatever crap and problems their windoze throws at them while they *never* would put up with them if Linux threw them at them. They even pay a lot of money for it! Any idea why that is so? Twofold, I think: 1) Everybody knows a 'computer guy' who can fix their Windows problems (repeatedly if necessary). 2) Windows' reputation is for being prone to failure and viruses and suchlike. Linux is frequently pushed by its proselytes as some perfect blend of absolute reliability and utopian ease-of-use, which it obviously falls short of. Is it just the effect of marketing that tells everyone they could intuitively use their computer and of course it will always work perfectly fine and people believing it despite they can see every time they use their windoze or macos that what they are being told isn't true? Or maybe they can't see it because they don't know any better? I think so, yes. But I don't believe it is limited to Windows or OSX. (Is it really $250 for a windoze license? I have one I couldn't avoid getting; maybe I should sell it. If you want to make an offer, please send it directly to me and not to the list.) Windows 7 cost £80 GBP when I bought it a couple of weeks ago. -- Avi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921121744.ga7...@amazing.avi.co
Re: Display hurtful on LCD screen with Wheezy
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 16:37 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote: Come now. It just isn't a proper internet discussion without a flamewar thrown in. :) :D But an OT t the subject for the flame would be nice. - if a CRT, can you (or anyone with very good ears) hear a very high pitched whine, nearly in the ultrasonic spectrum? A bad cap in a CRT will give The OP has got a LCD. Btw. there are different parts inside a CRT that can cause high frequency noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348232164.1108.54.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 19:43 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: That he's at that stage now doesn't mean he's an idiot. Even if somebody should be an idiot, I wonder about the intolerance. Isn't it wanted that everybody should use FLOSS? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348232475.1108.58.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 23:43 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: It draws about 400-500 watts continuously at idle, up to 900 at load. 99.999% of people will not tolerate this on the home electric bill. 99.9991% of the people don't have knowledge about this, their motto is more is better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348232847.1108.62.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Virtualkeyboard like to one from Android Tablets or the iPad?
rofl I imagine ass-cape key sequences would be involved. On 09/21/2012 08:05 AM, Tom Rausner wrote: Hi. fre, 21 09 2012 kl. 13:10 +0200, skrev Michelle Konzack: and the design is for the ass. Just curious.. How do a keyboard look, when it's designed for the ass and exactly HOW do one operate it ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505c6992.5020...@comcast.net
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 20 September 2012 23:04, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: You are either: 1. Horribly lazy 2. Incompetent Ok, thank you for answer, have a good day ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cae17a0xsuxv5xfr9fzxxyjcahr+ragyqom8z6y2daqjspxb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mplayer-gui error
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:53:13 +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: And don't forget replying at the bottom of the text you're citing ;-) 2012/9/20 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com (...) So now I run this? dpkg -l | grep -i mplayer What will it do now? Run the command and send here the output so we can see what packages are installed in your system :-) $ dpkg -l | grep -i mplayer (...) ii mplayer 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux ic mplayer-gui 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1 movie player for Unix-like systems ii mplayer-skin-blue 1.6-2 blue skin for mplayer The above shows packages from the official repositories, nothing from D-M. Before proceeding, consider if you really want to install mplayer and mplayer-gui from a third-party repository, this is something you should think carefuly so unless you are in need for specific functionality that can be only found in D-M packages, seriously consider sticking to the ones you have already installed. If you still want to go with D-M packages, I would suggest that you first remove (or better yet, purge) the current mplayer versions from Debian official repos and then install whatever packages you require only from D-M repository. Should you are doubtful at any stage, do not continue; stop and ask (send here what you did and what you got). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3ht9q$oni$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: ntpd crashes.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:05:01 +0200, Mauro wrote: On 20 September 2012 22:20, Mauro mrsan...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 September 2012 16:56, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Someone who Stefan failed to identify wrote: ...ntpd crashes on my server. Time jumps forward one hour every time this has happened. I doubt ntpd is crashing. Most likely something else is jumping the system clock and ntpd is behaving as designed and exiting when it sees a one hour error. Shut down ntpd, set the clock correctly, and wait. I suspect that eventually you'll see the clock jump even without ntpd running. Yes that is. I have no cron jobs at all, I only have xen and heartbeat + pacemaker on my two nodes and no processes that set the system clock. The clock jumps ahead of one or two hours and I don't know why. Perhaps some kernel bug? ntpd should avoid the clock going that forward and keep it disciplined. It seems not ntp problem but a kernel bug: http://my.opera.com/marcomarongiu/blog/2010/08/18/debugging-ntp-again-part-4-and-last You can try the mentioned work-around and see if that works for you. Anyway, if that's the case, you should experience the same with different ntp daemons and not just with ntpd :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3htlb$oni$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: pppd shutdown
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:21:33 -0700, Mike McClain wrote: I'm on dialup using pppd and loosing the connection often in the middle of fetching mail or loading some URL in the browser. I'm hoping for suggestions to help me debug the problem. (...) My logs show this when I close the connection with 'poff': (...) Sep 16 08:56:01 playground pppd[13474]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 User request] That looks like a manual hang off. Often I see this: (...) Sep 16 14:12:52 playground pppd[1762]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 Peer not responding] (...) You can try by adding/enabling crtscts and also the modem options at the config file. depending on the hardware you're using, these were to alleviate the kind of errors you get although OTOH, dialup links are very unreliable, it's quite usual to get random disconnects. I can see that sometimes my ISP seems to go to sleep but other times it appears to be some other problem and I just don't know how to gather the data to make an informed diagnosis. Any suggestions on how to track pppd's shutdown with greater resolution will be appreciated. I think the first to do would be enabling verbose/debug logging for pppd. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3hv20$oni$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:04:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 9/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mauro wrote: Hello. I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330 @ 2.40GHz processors. What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64? Thank you. This may be a bit harsh, but it's the glaring truth: your employer should fire you and hire someone qualified to do your job. The answer you seek is only one click deep from the Debian home page, under the Support heading on the right side of the page: (...) You are either: 1. Horribly lazy 2. Incompetent Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we can be wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the table- but it's rather discourteous to tell a user about what you estimate his/her skills are or aren't. That's simply out of place. I know that your comments are always in this line, thus I'm not surpised, but maybe others are not aware of your peculiar writing style. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3hvq5$oni$5...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Installation
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:18:36 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 20.09.2012 um 16:31 schrieb Camaleón: For the lazy users who are not interested in what their systems are or run, a big _sure_. If there were nobody solving their issues (and I'm quite confident that Windows users have *a lot of* problems) they will look for another solution that breaks less... it can be Apple (but I *must* use Apple here in the company. Maybe Apple breaks less than Win$. But if it breaks, it's more boring than Win$. Mac OSX is sometimes the hell for a software developer or a server- admin. But for a simple user a tablet is maybe the best choice. Exactly. Although I never would recommend an Apple product to anyone (I found it even more evil than Microsoft), I recognize that Apple is your brand should you don't want to care what a computer or a phone or a tablet is. But prepare your budget to accomodate the needs of $700-share company ;-) their products are not affordable) or it can be -oh, what was the name...-, ah, yes, Linux. Linux is a good (the best?) choice, if you want stability, good diagnosis, special configurations. Sure, I find it's the perfect choice for home users. And the installer of Debian did a great step forward since ~2003 -- especially in simplicitity and flexibilty. I also think so, although I haven't tested the normal (default) installer, I always choose the expert mode and I would also recommend another users to use it. It can be intimidating at a first glance but with the docs at your hands, you realize it follows a logical routine (step 1 → step 2 → step 3 → step 4 → ... → main menu → step 4 → step 5...) and quite understandable. People is intimidated not because of the lack of GUIs but when they don't understand the inners of a process, that's why documentation is so important in the first steps. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3i0hq$oni$6...@ger.gmane.org
Re: EXIM in Debian
No, I am not, but it is principal. On Sep 20, 2012 8:48 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: Do you need split configuration? Are you wedded to it? My advice would be to copy /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated to /etc/exim4.conf, at which point the Debian exim configuration is overridden, and just edit that one file instead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120920124752.GD17882@debian
Re: let logrotate create an new empty file?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:55:33 +0200, Meike Stone wrote: From your explanations, I understand that logrotate would create the file if logrotate rotates the file, which requires the file to exist in the first place, so create it manually and let logrotate rotate and create the file in the future. Does that work? (This somewhat ignores issues with file permissions that may exist.) Yes, this works, but I don't want to create this with an extra command, because the application (script) delivers the own crontab (/etc/cron.d/ and own logrotate (etc/logrotate.d) file. I thought this is enough and that logrotate is going to create the logfile with the right permissions. Logrotate can rotate and store the files and apply them the desired perms but the script that generates the files is not allowed to write under the usual /var/log/* directory unless this is done with root perms (or by means of sudo). So maybe I overlook something in the configuration from logrotate? If it is not possible, so I have to use install or touch,chmod/chown ... You simple place the log files in a different place where the user that creates the files has write perms or accomodate the /var/log/ your_application/* directory permissions. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3i2kb$oni$8...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Mplayer-gui error
El 2012-09-21 a las 17:11 +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi escribió: (to the list...) this is something you should think carefuly so unless you are in need for specific functionality that can be only found in D-M packages - Yes, I need it for mencoder to convert .ogv to avi. Do you mean the stock mencoder cannot convert from ogv to avi containers? :-? I think this can be done by means of lavc (video) and mp3lame (audio) encoders but you better wait until someone confirms this point before doing an unnecessary step :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921154407.ga9...@stt008.linux.site
Re: EXIM in Debian
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 07:10:18PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: I think its better to configure exim4 for single configuration file by whatever means is described in the wiki page Camaleón linked to, likely an dpkg-reconfigure exim4something We differ in our opinion. In my opinion, for anything but the simplest of deployments, the Debian packaging introduces more complexity than it hides from you. If you have to modify an exim configuration file by hand, and need to know exim syntax, then you might as well do away with the Debian framework. It just adds another layer that you need to understand, with its own foibles and problems. I've been running exim on Debian for a long time and this was the best piece of advice I was ever given on the matter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921165851.GA3387@debian
Re: Mplayer-gui error
2012/9/21 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: El 2012-09-21 a las 17:11 +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi escribió: (to the list...) this is something you should think carefuly so unless you are in need for specific functionality that can be only found in D-M packages - Yes, I need it for mencoder to convert .ogv to avi. Do you mean the stock mencoder cannot convert from ogv to avi containers? :-? I think this can be done by means of lavc (video) and mp3lame (audio) encoders but you better wait until someone confirms this point before doing an unnecessary step :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- Do you mean the stock mencoder cannot convert from ogv to avi containers? :-? - I think yes... $ mencoder out.ogv -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=1 -o output.avi MEncoder 1.0rc3-4.4.4 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. -xvidencopts is not an MEncoder option Exiting... (error parsing command line) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cadh5rwawj97-cm-80azxbwny7trglcxynk-zots74xhpcs1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mplayer-gui error
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:10:29 +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: Do you mean the stock mencoder cannot convert from ogv to avi containers? :-? - I think yes... $ mencoder out.ogv -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=1 -o output.avi MEncoder 1.0rc3-4.4.4 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. -xvidencopts is not an MEncoder option Exiting... (error parsing command line) Maybe is that I'm wrong but I thought that mp3 was supported by means of lavc (from ffmpeg). Run mencoder -oac help -ovc help and send here the output. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k3i9ks$oni$9...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Mplayer-gui error
2012/9/21 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:10:29 +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: Do you mean the stock mencoder cannot convert from ogv to avi containers? :-? - I think yes... $ mencoder out.ogv -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=1 -o output.avi MEncoder 1.0rc3-4.4.4 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. -xvidencopts is not an MEncoder option Exiting... (error parsing command line) Maybe is that I'm wrong but I thought that mp3 was supported by means of lavc (from ffmpeg). Run mencoder -oac help -ovc help and send here the output. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- mencoder -oac help -ovc help MEncoder 1.0rc3-4.4.4 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team Available codecs: copy - frame copy, without re-encoding (useful for AC3) pcm - uncompressed PCM audio lavc - FFmpeg audio encoder (MP2, AC3, ...) Available codecs: copy - frame copy, without re-encoding. Doesn't work with filters. frameno - special audio-only file for 3-pass encoding, see DOCS. raw - uncompressed video. Use fourcc option to set format explicitly. nuv - nuppel video lavc - libavcodec codecs - best quality! vfw - VfW DLLs, read DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html. qtvideo - QuickTime DLLs, currently only SVQ1/3 are supported. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cadh5rwdu1ku0xaxqn8awnpjvha68wskn05o2wbvgepqhuat...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Film scanner software / hardware.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 04:16:30PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: After review a gazillion scanners I have concluded that the Plustek OpticFilm 7400 is my best choice for my needs and my budget. Unfortunately, they don't support Linux. Vuescan doesn't support this Plustek scanner. Does anyone know of a software solution to this problem or know of a scanner for less than about $250 that has 48 bit color, will *actually* resolve better than 3000dpi, has dust removal, has a Dmax = 3.6. and has multiple scan capability to improve contrast. I just finished a disastrous round with all in one printer and don't want to get into another one with film scanners. Any help would be appreciated. Gary R. PS : 1. The HP Workforce Pro 8600 with downloaded files from HP works great. 2. The package gscan2pdf has some minor bugs but is a fantastic PDF generator. 3. Stay away from Epson. What format are you working with? If you find something for 4x5 that doesn't require re mortgaging the house, let me know. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: pppd shutdown
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 02:53:52PM +, Camale?n wrote: snip You can try by adding/enabling crtscts and also the modem options at the config file. depending on the hardware you're using, these were to alleviate the kind of errors you get although OTOH, dialup links are very unreliable, it's quite usual to get random disconnects. snip I think the first to do would be enabling verbose/debug logging for pppd. Since my first post showed that crtscts, modem and debug are included in /etc/ppp/options I assume you are saying they should be somewhere else as well but you forgot to say where. Thanks, Mike -- Though I do use Linux, I don't appreciate being called a Linutic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120921194020.GA10358@playground
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote: Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we can be wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the table- but it's rather discourteous to tell a user about what you estimate his/her skills are or aren't. That's simply out of place. I disagree. This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a cursory effort to search for information before asking here. People in general, and especially those with systems of the caliber mentioned in this thread, should have enough experience, competence, and where-with-all to search before asking. As I said in my opening, I was likely being harsh. But as Patton said, Give it to 'em loud and dirty. That way it sticks. Maybe this thread will remind people to do at least a little basic research before asking simple questions. When people ask such questions here, it is an insult to the list members, as the OP is simply being lazy, asking us to do the research for him/her. I would think most of us have better things to do than answer the same easy questions ad infinitum. I know that your comments are always in this line, thus I'm not surpised, but maybe others are not aware of your peculiar writing style. It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should they ask on a mailing list. Especially in this case, when the answer is so damn easy to find, literally clicking one link on the Debian home page and reading the subsequent page. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505cd3c1.4030...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote: It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should they ask on a mailing list. Especially in this case, when the answer is so damn easy to find, literally clicking one link on the Debian home page and reading the subsequent page. I wholly disagree. First, when someone lowers himself to ask a question in a public forum, it is usually because she has been unable to find the answer; it is the duty of others in the forum to respond politely and civilly. Second, mayhap you want others to treat you like a fetid, steaming dog turd; most of us don't want anyone treated like that. We don't like being bullied; rather, we wish to be treated with civility and respect, and we try to treat others in the same way. If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't respond at all. Attitudes like yours drive people away from OSS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209211716.39796.neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote: On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote: It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should they ask on a mailing list. Especially in this case, when the answer is so damn easy to find, literally clicking one link on the Debian home page and reading the subsequent page. I wholly disagree. First, when someone lowers himself to ask a question in a public forum, it is usually because she has been unable to find the answer That's how it's supposed to work, but rarely does. Most people these days go straight for the mailing list hoping to save themselves the time/effort of doing research. This is what the OP did in this case, which shoots your argument down entirely. WRT my attitude driving people away from FLOSS, apparently you've never heard of a guy named Linus' Torvalds and his behavior. I'm absolutely tame compared to Linus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g People are flocking to FLOSS in record numbers due to Android devices. So your second argument, that people like me drive people away from FLOSS just went down in flames. There will likely be dozens more replies to this thread with the Lilliputians gang tackling me for being a bully. I guess forcefully presenting facts is now classified as bullying in 2012. I'd also predict Godwin's law will govern this thread in the not too distant future, as little people who lose arguments tend to throw the N word at the bully who simply proved them wrong. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505ce212.3030...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 09/21/2012 05:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote: On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote: It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should they ask on a mailing list. Especially in this case, when the answer is so damn easy to find, literally clicking one link on the Debian home page and reading the subsequent page. I agree with Stan. At least SOME effort to find the answer to their problem should be done before running to this list. In the distant past the usual reply was RTFM, but this List has mellowed in the past 4-5 years. I wholly disagree. First, when someone lowers himself to ask a question in a public forum, it is usually because she has been unable to find the answer; it is the duty of others in the forum to respond politely and civilly. Second, mayhap you want others to treat you like a fetid, steaming dog turd; most of us don't want anyone treated like that. We don't like being bullied; rather, we wish to be treated with civility and respect, and we try to treat others in the same way. That might be fine for a Forum but this is a list, not a Forum. If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't respond at all. How would that help OSS? Attitudes like yours drive people away from OSS. I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with it. Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505ce4e4.7010...@gmail.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
self-fulfilling prophecy, one can aim at Godwin's law ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348265101.1187.2.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 9/21/12 3:06 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't respond at all. How would that help OSS? I wasn't aware I had an obligation to help OSS in order to use it. The list exists to help people use the software, and not primarily to help the software use people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505ce5c4.7060...@queernet.org
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
- Original Message - You are either: 1. Horribly lazy 2. Incompetent Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain) to say this on the list I agree. I find this list to be very helpful but lately there seems to have been a lot of unnecessary hostility on the list. This is counter-productive as some users may get the impression that the list is hijacked by angry people who are just waiting for an opportunity to jump on anyone they (wrongly) perceive as lazy, incompetent or whatever. If someone deems a question stupid and below his level of expertise one can always ignore the question, as there is no obligation for anyone to answer any questions on this list. Perhaps someone else will give a simple answer to a simple/stupid question without any of the name calling. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348272303.17190.yahoomail...@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
- Original Message - From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a cursory effort to search for information before asking here. Please see the Code of Conduct ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct ) instead of inventing your own rules. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348273024.58612.yahoomail...@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote: - Original Message - You are either: 1. Horribly lazy 2. Incompetent Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain) to say this on the list I agree. I find this list to be very helpful but lately there seems to have been a lot of unnecessary hostility on the list. This is counter-productive as some users may get the impression that the list is hijacked by angry people who are just waiting for an opportunity to jump on anyone they (wrongly) perceive as lazy, incompetent or whatever. If someone deems a question stupid and below his level of expertise one can always ignore the question, as there is no obligation for anyone to answer any questions on this list. Perhaps someone else will give a simple answer to a simple/stupid question without any of the name calling. Read my original reply to the OP. I gave him the answer, in full detail, and a link to the page from where I copied it. I also derided him for his failure to make a cursory effort of his own. It isn't a stupid question. I've answered it many times on this list. But in most/all of those cases, those asking were noobs. Someone installing on a quad socket DL580 isn't a noob, certainly should not be a noob. Someone who should not be a noob asking a noob question is what prompted my derision. Again, anyone at a level where they're working or playing with a DL580 should have already known the answer, or been able to easily find it, especially given the ease with which this particular answer can be found. You've got this backwards. It's not beneath me to answer this question. It should, however, be beneath any self respecting OP at such a level to ask this in the first place without even Googling. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505d095b.4080...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
On 9/21/2012 7:17 PM, T Elcor wrote: - Original Message - From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a cursory effort to search for information before asking here. Please see the Code of Conduct ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct ) instead of inventing your own rules. You're stepping into quicksand by trying to use the COC to disprove my statement above. Whether it's in the Debian list COC or not, it is universal across technical mailing lists, has been for decades, and is simply common sense. It's not spelled out because it's universally understand, or assumed to be. If there are enough folk like yourself maybe it should be added to the COC, at least for the -user or help oriented lists. The dev lists don't have this problem, obviously. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/505d0f63.8000...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: IA64 or AMD64?
T Elcor tel...@yahoo.com writes: - Original Message - From: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a cursory effort to search for information before asking here. Please see the Code of Conduct ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct ) instead of inventing your own rules. I am reading this in a Usenet newsgroup (linux.debian.user). A mailing list code of conduct is at best of peripheral relevance. If there is a portal to a mailing some place, it really doesn't make any difference to where I'm reading (and posting). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1bmx0iwz4g@pfeifferfamily.net
