Re: Bug Squashing Party (BSP) ?
Hola, A 2012-11-19 10:56, a...@probeta.net escrigué: Hola, Heu estat mai a una maratò de correcció de bugs de Debian? http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20121110 http://wiki.debian.org/BSP No soc un developer, sino tan sols un usuari de Debian, així que crec que potser no tinc prou formació per participar a cap, malgrat soc programador i tinc prous conneixements de Linux. No sé ben bé quins conneixements calen per participar a una BSP. Aquí hi ha alguna aclaració de les tasques a fer. http://wiki.debian.org/BSP/BeginnersHOWTO Sé que aquesta llista hi ha developers. Ens animem a escollir uns bugs, i trobar-nos una tarda de dissabte o diumenge a intentar corregir ni que sigui un? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi Si hi ha prou gent interessada, jo em puc oferir a explicar els passos a seguir per tal de resoldre bugs a Debian. Amb els documents que adjuntes hi ha prou informació, però pot ser divertit fer un taller tots junts. El problema però, és que els bugs que queden ara no són per a res trivials, ja que els senzillets que ens servirien per començar ja han estat resolts. Igualment, si hi ha interès, podem quedar :) A part de l'Àlex i el Robert, hi hauria més gent interessada? Ho podem provar de manera informal i, si surt bé i aprenem prou, anunciar la propera BSP que fem com a oficial. Jo a Barcelona puc mirar d'aconseguir un local on cabem com a mínim 12 persones. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingBSP http://wiki.debian.org/BSPMarathon Si ens animéssim a organitzar això, podem posar-nos en contacte amb més desenvolupadors Debian per veure si s'animen a venir a Barcelona. Salut! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aa7de2195cd7a57bf72019e29b01b...@probeta.net
Re: Bug Squashing Party (BSP) ?
A part de l'Àlex i el Robert, hi hauria més gent interessada? +1
Re: LMDE Lenovo W530
Bonjour, pour finir ce thread je voulais juste signaler que tout fonctionne bien apres reinstallation en Wheezy , que j ai meme upgrade en Sid... Pour n avoir jamais eu de sid ( j avais une siduction/aptosid) je m etonne que le seul kernel dispo soit un 3.2.0 ...mais il marche tres bien ... Jerome J.MOLIERE - Mentor/J auteur Eyrolles blog: http://romjethoughts.blogspot.com OSGi book available now!!! Le 21 novembre 2012 17:29, Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit : On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:21:28 +0100 jerome moliere jerome.moli...@gmail.com wrote: En fait je peux passer le runlevel en parametre a grub non? si je lui colle un 3 a la fin de ma grub entry dans mon menu graphique il doit demarrer en niveau 3 non? J'en sais rien, j'utilise LILO. Tu peux tjrs tester (en prévoyant un mode de récup au cas où, pour éviter le SOS boot en liveCD). -- MrPicsou Bonjour bonjour MrPicsou j'ai une petite question technique, quelqu'un pourrait m'éclairer? * %edcba allume la lumière * @einstein14 changed nick to Geotrouvetou %edcba enfin il aurait pu demander à riri, fifi loulou avant *** MrPicsou quit (quit: bande de con..) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121172911.0cb59a3a@anubis.defcon1
dpkg-reconfigure locales et utf8
salut la liste, J'ai décidé de passer complètement une machine en utf8 (j'avais des soucis avec mysqladmin qui m'insultait régulièrement). Un coup de dpkg-reconfigure locales,je vire le fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15 et je mets le fr_FR.UTF-8 UTF-8 uniquement. maintenant, j'ai bien: FA:/tmp# locale LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_TIME=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_NAME=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Mais: FA:/tmp# touch /tmp/pépé FA:/tmp# ls p?p? Et dans l'éditeur joe, impossible d'accentuer. Faut-il que je remette fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15 ? J'aimerai pourtant bien m'en passer. Merki ;) f. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50b0a8fa$0$16497$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: dpkg-reconfigure locales et utf8
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:03:32 +0100 fabrice régnier regnier@free.fr wrote: Un coup de dpkg-reconfigure locales,je vire le fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15 et je mets le fr_FR.UTF-8 UTF-8 uniquement. O_o, un semblant d'erreur. Mais: FA:/tmp# touch /tmp/pépé FA:/tmp# ls p?p? Normal: il ne suffit pas de dire à un livre passe en utf8 pour que les contenus (antérieurs!) de ses pages migrent également. Il aussi faut migrer *tous* les fichiers (notamment texte) vers utf8. Et dans l'éditeur joe, impossible d'accentuer. Faut-il que je remette fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15 ? J'aimerai pourtant bien m'en passer. Vi, c'est plus sage comme décision. Il existe (sous sid) utf8-migration-tool, c'est du python et ça n'est pas sûr que ça marche avec une version antérieure de python. Sinon, la solution la plus rapide est en Gal de faire un backup, réinstaller en utf8, ne restaurer que les données voulues et migrer leurs fichiers vers utf8 en faisant un ch'tit script bash. -- Mauditation: j'ai rien à faire de toute la soirée Reta: tu voulais pas aller au ciné ? Mauditation: je crois pas, trop de choses à faire -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124134412.5fcdb31f@anubis.defcon1
temps de réponse Wifi
Mon PC est relié par ethernet J'ai un Raspberry connecté au même réseau par Wifi. Entre les deux une Freebox V6. Les temps de réponse au ping sont dissymétriques : A partir du Raspberry root@raspbian:/home/moi# ping -c 5 192.168.10.21 [...] min/avg/max/mdev = 0.801/5.089/6.247/2.144 ms à partir du PC : --[moi@cdiscount ~] ping -c 5 192.168.10.206 [...] 151.073/210.021/286.902/48.318 ms Aucun changement en m'éloignant de la Freebox (niveau E/R). Les deux engins sont quasiment au repos. Le Raspberry vient d'être rempli à partir d'une netinstall. Mon PC est activé par un cruncbang et à jour. Comment expliquer cette dissymétrie qui me crée quelque problèmes ? Merci pour les idées. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50b13aea$0$21927$426a3...@news.free.fr
Re: temps de réponse Wifi
On 24 Nov 2012 21:23:54 GMT moi-meme chie...@free.fr wrote: Mon PC est relié par ethernet J'ai un Raspberry connecté au même réseau par Wifi. Entre les deux une Freebox V6. Les temps de réponse au ping sont dissymétriques : PB de MTU. -- neonoe ça veut dire quoi lp0 on fire ? Naha que ton imprimante brûle neonoe ah ok neonoe effectivement neonoe merde... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124225600.5d1a8a7c@anubis.defcon1
Re: Cómo visualizar la lectora CD en Debian 6 LXDE
El Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:21:45 -0500, academia escribió: Mi Debian 6 LXDE no me deja visualizar la lectora CD desde el Gestor de archivo PCMan. Intenté por /media, pero nada. ¿Alguien pudiera ayudarme? Primero mira a ver si te la detecta el kernel. Ejecuta «dmesg | grep cd-r» y pon la salida. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k8r136$fvd$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: [Noticia] Mozilla deja de soportar versiones antiguas de GTK+
El Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:28:20 +0100, Cosme Domínguez Díaz escribió: Debian Lenny lleva sin actualizaciones de seguridad desde el 6 de febrero de 2012. [1] Sí, lo sé. En mi humilde opinión, que ya no den soporte desde Mozilla... me parece el menor de los problemas para los que aún sigan usando esa versión de Debian. Es que el problema (en caso de haberlo) no es ese. Lo que me parece un poco arriesgado por parte de Mozilla es la forma en que han dejado de dar soporte a un componente básico como es GTK+ (una versión determinada) sin dar ningún tipo de aviso previo a los usuarios para que puedan planificarse. Recuerda que la versión estable de Firefox/ Thunderbird (16.0.2) sí admite versiones antiguas de GTK+ y salió hace apenas unos meses. Es un cambio muy drástico como que no haya sido notificado debidamente. De todas formas gracias por la información. De nada :-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k8r1fb$fvd$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy
El Sat, 24 Nov 2012 00:00:11 +0100, Mariano Cediel escribió: Como bien me habeis indicado ... el problema debe venir por aqui lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 nov 23 23:48 1ATA - ../dm-1 (...) Eso me suena, efectivamente, a que DM está haciendo de las suyas, es decir, que se habrá apoderado de las volúmenes. Sigue las instrucciones del artículo de la wikipedia y prueba además a pasar el parámetro nodmraid al kernel. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k8r1ob$fvd$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Kernel Trunk?
El Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:42:21 -0500, Jo Sé escribió: Hola. Tengo una duda de que es el kernel linux-image-3.6-trunk-amd64 .. Osea que caracteristica tiene o que? Porque se llama trunk. Es un paquete que sólo está disponible en la rama experimental y es uno de los últimos kernels disponibles que han salido. En el changleog explican los cambios o novedades: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.6.6-1~experimental.1/changelog Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k8r28s$fvd$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: wheezy acer aspire wl
El Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:22:21 -0300, Ricardo Delgado escribió: Hola gente, estoy tratando de instalar un wheezy en un equipo portatil acer aspire, tiene como placa un broadcom y siguiendo (1) pude hacer funcionar la placa inalambrica, ahora el problema es que cada cierto tiempo el equipo simplemente se cuelga sin responder a otra cosa que el apagado mediante el boton, A veces lo que se queda colgado es el entorno gráfico y puedes acceder al equipo a través de SSH. Si se te queda colgado intenta conectarte mediante SSH para ver si responde. kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n en definitiva, hasta ahora no puedo utilizar la placa inalambrica porque se cuelga en algun momento. Si es el driver de la tarjeta inalámbrica lo que deja congelado al equipo, puedes probar a instalar una versión superior del mismo. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k8r4i4$fvd$5...@ger.gmane.org
Iceweasel + Pdf
Hola de nuevo molestando por aqui.. Tengo una pregunta. Siempre que intento abrir un archivo con formato PDF. Lo unico que hace Iceweasel es descargar el archivo para leerlo en local. No he podido hacer que el iceweasel lo abra para leerlo sin descargarlo... Iceweasel no hace eso?. Si? Como se hace? :( Saludos.! -- José Luis Cortés Mesa Medellin Colombia User Linux #533154
Re: Iceweasel + Pdf
El 24/11/2012 20:54, Jo Sé joseluiscortes2 joseluiscort...@gmail.com@joseluiscort...@gmail.com gmail.com joseluiscort...@gmail.com escribió: Hola de nuevo molestando por aqui.. Tengo una pregunta. Siempre que intento abrir un archivo con formato PDF. Lo unico que hace Iceweasel es descargar el archivo para leerlo en local. No he podido hacer que el iceweasel lo abra para leerlo sin descargarlo... Iceweasel no hace eso?. Si? Como se hace? :( Si no me equivoco debe ser algun plugin, pero igual baja el pdf, solo que lo ves desde un navegador Saludos.! Saludos -- José Luis Cortés Mesa Medellin Colombia User Linux #533154
Re: Iceweasel + Pdf
El día 24 de noviembre de 2012 21:46, Juan Martin juanma@gmail.com escribió: Iceweasel https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/pdfescape-extension/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab_r4cwp0oku5hv_jddwt8hytx5n7qngh7hwaxbx_wajzrs...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Iceweasel + Pdf
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:46:22AM -0300, Juan Martin wrote: El 24/11/2012 20:54, Jo Sé joseluiscortes2 joseluiscort...@gmail.com@joseluiscort...@gmail.com gmail.com joseluiscort...@gmail.com escribió: Hola de nuevo molestando por aqui.. Tengo una pregunta. Siempre que intento abrir un archivo con formato PDF. Lo unico que hace Iceweasel es descargar el archivo para leerlo en local. No he podido hacer que el iceweasel lo abra para leerlo sin descargarlo... Iceweasel no hace eso?. Si? Como se hace? :( Si no me equivoco debe ser algun plugin, pero igual baja el pdf, solo que lo ves desde un navegador Debiera ser suficiente el instalar un lector de ficheros en formato PDF: evince, epdfviewer u otro. Saludos. -- Pablo Jiménez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121125045732.ga4...@emblema.fh.vtr.net
Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
On 2012-11-24 08:59 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: colortail is not a full replacement for tail - namely, it precludes pipe/|/stdin systemd-journalctl -f gives a non colorized output. Here's my failed attempt to fool colortail into accepting a bash file descriptor in order to pipe journal through colortail: Refer: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html For programs which do not read standard input, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/process-sub.html is more interesting. See also the Process Substitution paragraph in the bash manpage. SO, it comes to my mind, that there ought be a way to turn a bash file descriptor, into a file name, to fool colortail in some other way. Perhaps a /proc/$PID/fd/... or some such. Exactly that is what process substitution achieves. Anyone know where to next, in the search for ultimate control over colortail, taming it into submission to the will of systemd-journald? Probably colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) will do the trick. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87624ve7k8@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Guide / Tools
Good morning Zenaan, good morning Chris, I'll reconsider to test aliases again. Usually I use the tab key, the cursor keys and my fingers type some commands automagically. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/op.wn9s1b1gqhadp0@suse11-2
Re: change hostname without rebooting
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
# Me, wonders why systemd-hostnamed does not run, google says it should:
$ echo $PATH
/usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin:/home/justa/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
$ dpkg -L systemd|grep hostnamed
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-hostnamed.service
/lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed
$ cd /lib/systemd/
$ file systemd-hostnamed
systemd-hostnamed: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1
(SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26,
BuildID[sha1]=0x4447f9b433f2bd71e603d2b9060b1196edc64048, stripped
$ ./systemd-hostnamed
Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname
might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!
Failed to register name on bus: Access denied
OK, so now we have another /sbin type directory called /lib/systemd
... should I avoid adding this to my path, as in, is systemd-hostnamed
supposed to be wrapped by /bin/hostname, and for now it's not? Or are
these commands additional /sbin type commands that we will need now
and again?
Should systemd-hostnamed actually work for live-changing the hostname?
If so, should systemd package suggest or recommend nss-myhostnamed
aka debian's libnss-myhostname ??
Having executables in /lib/systemd probably breaks the FHS,
AFAIR/AFAIU, but Debian also has executables in, at least, /lib/init
and /lib/udev.
Upstream systemd uses /usr/lib/systemd and that's allowed by the FHS
for executables not meant to be called by users. Before Fedora's
usrmove change, it probably used /lib/systemd but I don't have an
F-16 install to check.
Why can't you change the hostname with hostname new-host-name and
change the hostname in /etc/{hostname,hosts,mailname} if you want
the change to survive a reboot?
I wouldn't worry, on Debian, about nss-myhostname/libnss-myhostname
because there's a line in /etc/hosts to resolve the hostname to
127.0.1.1 when dhcp's used.
nss-myhostname allows you to have a two-line /etc/hosts mapping
localhost to 127.0.0.1 and ::1. If you have a dhcp-supplied
address, your hostname's mapped to 127.0.0.2 (on Fedora; maybe it's
patched on Debian to map to 127.0.1.1, no idea) and if you have a
static address your hostname's mapped to that address.
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Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-11-24 08:59 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: colortail is not a full replacement for tail - namely, it precludes pipe/|/stdin systemd-journalctl -f gives a non colorized output. Here's my failed attempt to fool colortail into accepting a bash file descriptor in order to pipe journal through colortail: Refer: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html For programs which do not read standard input, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/process-sub.html is more interesting. See also the Process Substitution paragraph in the bash manpage. Great links, thanks! I shall read them, since: SO, it comes to my mind, that there ought be a way to turn a bash file descriptor, into a file name, to fool colortail in some other way. Perhaps a /proc/$PID/fd/... or some such. Exactly that is what process substitution achieves. Anyone know where to next, in the search for ultimate control over colortail, taming it into submission to the will of systemd-journald? Probably colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) will do the trick. This doesn't work - I guess is still a redirection to stdin or something. For colortail, we need to auto-generate the corresponding filename for stdin. I shall report back if/when I find a solution... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsqofwexvmn45flbe+ojepxwz95+go+eqmkf-hw2hjl...@mail.gmail.com
Re: change hostname without rebooting [SOLVED]
On 11/24/12, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
# Me, wonders why systemd-hostnamed does not run, google says it should:
$ echo $PATH
/usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin:/home/justa/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
$ dpkg -L systemd|grep hostnamed
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-hostnamed.service
/lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed
$ cd /lib/systemd/
$ file systemd-hostnamed
systemd-hostnamed: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1
(SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26,
BuildID[sha1]=0x4447f9b433f2bd71e603d2b9060b1196edc64048, stripped
$ ./systemd-hostnamed
Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname
might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!
Failed to register name on bus: Access denied
OK, so now we have another /sbin type directory called /lib/systemd
... should I avoid adding this to my path, as in, is systemd-hostnamed
supposed to be wrapped by /bin/hostname, and for now it's not? Or are
these commands additional /sbin type commands that we will need now
and again?
Should systemd-hostnamed actually work for live-changing the hostname?
If so, should systemd package suggest or recommend nss-myhostnamed
aka debian's libnss-myhostname ??
Having executables in /lib/systemd probably breaks the FHS,
AFAIR/AFAIU, but Debian also has executables in, at least, /lib/init
and /lib/udev.
Upstream systemd uses /usr/lib/systemd and that's allowed by the FHS
for executables not meant to be called by users. Before Fedora's
usrmove change, it probably used /lib/systemd but I don't have an
F-16 install to check.
Why can't you change the hostname with hostname new-host-name and
I did this,
change the hostname in /etc/{hostname,hosts,mailname} if you want
the change to survive a reboot?
and this too,
I wouldn't worry, on Debian, about nss-myhostname/libnss-myhostname
because there's a line in /etc/hosts to resolve the hostname to
127.0.1.1 when dhcp's used.
and my /etc/hosts contains, amongst other static assignments, this:
127.0.0.1 localhost lo
BUT, it did not contain an entry for my new hostname... testing ...
added as alias, so now:
127.0.0.1 localhost lo my-new-hostname
BINGO! Now xterms start quickly again! It seems like unnecessary
process startup fragility to me... at least it timed out after 10 or
15s, and not 2m to 5m like systemd mount and now sshfs to
target-system-with-systemd-mount timeout issues I'm still having.
Thank you!
nss-myhostname allows you to have a two-line /etc/hosts mapping
localhost to 127.0.0.1 and ::1. If you have a dhcp-supplied
address, your hostname's mapped to 127.0.0.2 (on Fedora; maybe it's
patched on Debian to map to 127.0.1.1, no idea) and if you have a
static address your hostname's mapped to that address.
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Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
On 2012-11-24 11:36 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: Probably colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) will do the trick. This doesn't work - I guess is still a redirection to stdin or something. No. For colortail, we need to auto-generate the corresponding filename for stdin. It reports /dev/fd/63 here. Since I did not boot with systemd as PID 1, I tested with colortail -f (tail -f /var/log/auth.log), however. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wqxbclis@turtle.gmx.de
/lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... tia zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQsh0K_fbD=5zjw6hg+os_7+g50kbgvkt5zftg3lmh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-11-24 11:36 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: Probably colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) will do the trick. This doesn't work - I guess is still a redirection to stdin or something. No. thanks for checking For colortail, we need to auto-generate the corresponding filename for stdin. It reports /dev/fd/63 here. Since I did not boot with systemd as PID 1, I get the same I tested with colortail -f (tail -f /var/log/auth.log), however. Yes, this works. Here are my attempts: $ colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output $ colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -n 2) Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. == /dev/fd/63 == Nov 22 22:50:52 localhost xscreensaver[1763]: pam_winbind(xscreensaver:auth)...) Nov 22 22:50:55 localhost xscreensaver[1763]: FAILED LOGIN 1 ON DISPLAY :0... # I'm guessing no more output can be got at this point $ colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -n 2 -f) Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output $ colortail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl -f) == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output $ colortail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl -f -n 10) == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output $ colortail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl -f 21) == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output $ colortail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl) ... this produces the full journal/syslog ... ... and does not actually follow (not surprising, since no -f option to journalctl) $ sudo colortail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl -f) colortail: Failed to open file: /dev/fd/63 == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output $ sudo colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. colortail: Failed to open file: /dev/fd/63 == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output Seems a hard nut to crack... evidently systemd-journalctl does not output in the same way as tail command... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRn9moyw3OWyyUOrH=gy17sba7quwscdt0ixaksuna...@mail.gmail.com
Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
# OK, baseline check, these work for me as user: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog sudo colortail -f /var/log/syslog systemd-journalctl -f sudo systemd-journalctl -f # these also work as user (no -f after journalctl, so not useful): tail -f (systemd-journalctl) colortail -f (systemd-journalctl) tail -f (sudo colortail /var/log/syslog) # this works as root, not as user: colortail -f (tail -f /var/log/auth.log) tail -f (colortail /var/log/syslog) # where these don't work at all: tail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl -f) colortail -f (sudo systemd-journalctl -f) # and neither do these, as root nor user: tail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) tail -f (tail -f /var/log/auth.log) tail -f (tail -f /var/log/syslog) tail -f (colortail -f /var/log/syslog) tail -f (sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnssxaccbv8x7kq6nr8c9pf7p1eex1oclaoe3dsavz-r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
On 2012-11-24 12:17 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: It reports /dev/fd/63 here. Since I did not boot with systemd as PID 1, I get the same I tested with colortail -f (tail -f /var/log/auth.log), however. Yes, this works. Here are my attempts: $ colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output Rebooting my laptop with init=/bin/systemd, I can confirm that. Seems a hard nut to crack... evidently systemd-journalctl does not output in the same way as tail command... At least with the -f option, it seems. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq33cj07@turtle.gmx.de
Re: fooling a non-stdin redirection accepting app (colortail)??
On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-11-24 12:17 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Here are my attempts: $ colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. == /dev/fd/63 == # no more output Rebooting my laptop with init=/bin/systemd, I can confirm that. Seems a hard nut to crack... evidently systemd-journalctl does not output in the same way as tail command... At least with the -f option, it seems. Is this enough to file a bug? Eg: systemd-journalctl -f fails to pass stdout file descriptor in such a way that bash process substitution can work with the simple comparison example being, these work: colortail -f (sudo tail -f /var/log/auth.log) colortail -f (systemd-journalctl) yet this does not work: colortail -f (systemd-journalctl -f) ??? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQSdbwHQbCdySkeWw_e2FtEoJYb5Tb6thw0=idx925...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02:42AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. Why? I've had good experiences with both, IBM Thinkpads (had an a21m that lasted forever, ran Debian, #!, PeppermintOS, and PCLinuxOS on it, all perfectly), and Dells (currently have an old d420 I purchased on ebay for like $120, running crunchbang, which is essentially debian+openbox, works flawlessly). ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Guide / Tools
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:48:02PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain distros Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an alias, this IMO should be avoided. I disagree. Aliases are extremely handy. I wish I started using them far sooner than I did. I use a few in my .bashrc, like alias cnc='cd clear' alias cd2='cd ../../' alias cd3='cd ../../../' alias cd4='cd ../../../../' alias cd5='cd ../../../../.../' alias lsd='ls --list-directories-first' alias ll='ls -l' alias la='ls -A' alias l='ls -CF' alias mocp='mocp -T transparent-background' quite handy. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: vim -- adduser vs useradd/usermod
Hi, On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 07:56:24AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 06:14 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 16 nov 12, 16:33:17, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 16 Nov 14:02 -0600, james gray wrote: i am using vim to add the one and only name in a usr account to the groups file for printing. I would use, as super user: # usermod -Ga lp username On Debian the 'adduser' tool should be used. Maybe this is a bit strong statement. I would just say the use of adduser on Debian system makes life easy on Debian. Unfortunately, the name alone doesn't lend itself to knowing that it will modify a user account although the man page says: Add an existing user to an existing group If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group. The page is silent as to whether existing group membership is preserved as with the command example I offered. To know it would be required for each adminstrator to test this command due to this documentation bug. I think there is a reason why adduser is not called changeuser (or updateuser) (just joking though). I am very certain this only ADD things. If it REMOVES something, this is a serious documentation bug not to mention it. But it just works as expected... I think. In this case, 'usermod' provides the adminstrator *exactly* the options Although adduser for this is the popular utility to use here and the one I probably use, usermod seems to be as legitimate utility and it comes as a part of shadow-utils i.e. the passwd package. Both should work. Otherwise, file a bug report :-) needed to modify a user account. A single or multiple groups may be easily added, or the group list may be passed in such a way as to easily remove an account from several groups at once while preserving or adding membership in those passed. If adduser should do such things, there should be a lot of unhappy people filing bug report ... I don't see that capability in 'adduser' although there is the complementary 'deluser' which removes a sepcific user from a specific group. To remove an account from multiple groups would require multiple invocations. Power or simplicity? The choice is yours. Power -- certainly. If you read /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/README, there are good power tools described. For not so much involved like me, adduser is a friendlier interactive frontend to useradd. At least, this is my impression and that is why I used it for Debian Reference. I google and find interesting old post here. Subject: Re: adduser, useradd: are there any differences From: Peter J. Holzer hjp-deb...@hjp.at Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:55:39 +0200 On 2004-09-12 18:12:02 +0200, Roland Wegmann wrote: ... useradd and groupadd are the posix or SUS-standardized tools to create users and groups. You can expect them to work (almost) identically on all Linux distributions as well as on HP-UX, Solaris, AIX, ... adduser and groupadd are distribution specific wrappers which make it simpler to create users which conform to some (distribution-specific or local) policy. The options vary wildly between different distributions and other UNIXes may not have these commands at all. (As I checked web, FEDORA/CENTOS/GENTOO, adduser seems to be the symlink to useradd.) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124131224.GB22175@goofy.localdomain
Re: vim -- adduser vs useradd/usermod
right. usermod makes changes to user. useradd is not interactive, so makes an automated script for adding many users more possible to write. including setting nonstandard home directory or extra groups. adduser is interactive but does not let you put a user in multiple groups, i don't think. Wolf Halton http://sourcefreedom.com Apache developer: wolfhal...@apache.org On Nov 24, 2012 8:16 AM, Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 07:56:24AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 06:14 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 16 nov 12, 16:33:17, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 16 Nov 14:02 -0600, james gray wrote: i am using vim to add the one and only name in a usr account to the groups file for printing. I would use, as super user: # usermod -Ga lp username On Debian the 'adduser' tool should be used. Maybe this is a bit strong statement. I would just say the use of adduser on Debian system makes life easy on Debian. Unfortunately, the name alone doesn't lend itself to knowing that it will modify a user account although the man page says: Add an existing user to an existing group If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group. The page is silent as to whether existing group membership is preserved as with the command example I offered. To know it would be required for each adminstrator to test this command due to this documentation bug. I think there is a reason why adduser is not called changeuser (or updateuser) (just joking though). I am very certain this only ADD things. If it REMOVES something, this is a serious documentation bug not to mention it. But it just works as expected... I think. In this case, 'usermod' provides the adminstrator *exactly* the options Although adduser for this is the popular utility to use here and the one I probably use, usermod seems to be as legitimate utility and it comes as a part of shadow-utils i.e. the passwd package. Both should work. Otherwise, file a bug report :-) needed to modify a user account. A single or multiple groups may be easily added, or the group list may be passed in such a way as to easily remove an account from several groups at once while preserving or adding membership in those passed. If adduser should do such things, there should be a lot of unhappy people filing bug report ... I don't see that capability in 'adduser' although there is the complementary 'deluser' which removes a sepcific user from a specific group. To remove an account from multiple groups would require multiple invocations. Power or simplicity? The choice is yours. Power -- certainly. If you read /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/README, there are good power tools described. For not so much involved like me, adduser is a friendlier interactive frontend to useradd. At least, this is my impression and that is why I used it for Debian Reference. I google and find interesting old post here. Subject: Re: adduser, useradd: are there any differences From: Peter J. Holzer hjp-deb...@hjp.at Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:55:39 +0200 On 2004-09-12 18:12:02 +0200, Roland Wegmann wrote: ... useradd and groupadd are the posix or SUS-standardized tools to create users and groups. You can expect them to work (almost) identically on all Linux distributions as well as on HP-UX, Solaris, AIX, ... adduser and groupadd are distribution specific wrappers which make it simpler to create users which conform to some (distribution-specific or local) policy. The options vary wildly between different distributions and other UNIXes may not have these commands at all. (As I checked web, FEDORA/CENTOS/GENTOO, adduser seems to be the symlink to useradd.) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124131224.GB22175@goofy.localdomain
Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... What are you expecting it to do? How about systemctl restart systemd-hostnamed.service? If you then run systemctl status systemd-hostnamed.service, you'll see the same message about nss-myhostname. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SyRV9JiVi+2cBTAF3p0VtxSG9Abm=j8j2kw0mgcxvc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: vim -- adduser vs useradd/usermod
On 11/25/12, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: right. usermod makes changes to user. useradd is not interactive, so makes an automated script for adding many users more possible to write. including setting nonstandard home directory or extra groups. adduser is interactive but does not let you put a user in multiple groups, i don't think. # as an extra step of course, # choose list of groups you want the user to be in: groups=adm disk sound scanner etc # then, add that user to each group: for g in $groups; do adduser $theuser $g; done # or do it this way (and other ways for sure): echo $groups | xargs -n 1 adduser $theuser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSgGLYoMm1hmcqYKmWP-AELZDkFaWHPUN4A=gfybgf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
On 24.11.2012 14:40, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... What are you expecting it to do? It doesn't hang. It is a system daemon which just waits sits there and waits for requests (via D-Bus). Nothing unexpected here aside from starting this tool directly. It would be like starting apache by hand and then wondering that it sits there waiting for requests via port 80. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop
On 11/24/2012 05:06 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02:42AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. I s Why? I've had good experiences with both, IBM Thinkpads (had an a21m that lasted forever, ran Debian, #!, PeppermintOS, and PCLinuxOS on it, all perfectly), and Dells (currently have an old d420 I purchased on ebay for like $120, running crunchbang, which is essentially debian+openbox, works flawlessly). ./tony I've only owned one laptop so my experience is somewhat limited. But I think you need to as some of the following questions: 1. Are you a gamer or more of a normal user or a media freek. 2. How portable must the unit be. 3. How long must it run on batteries. 4. How much are you willing to pay. 5. Do you do graphics - need a lot of screen real-estate. I own a Qosmio G25-av315. It weighs about 9.5 lbs and gets about 1 hr on the batteries. It's more of a portable computer than a laptop. For this I get an 18 inch screen, all kinds of media capability, two 60GB hard drives and a raft of compatibility headaches. I set the system up as a dual boot with Debian Linux on one disk and Windows XP on the other. The Debian side has never been completely functional - but adaquate for my needs. The XP side is fully functional but is fast becoming a problem. There seems to be no upgrade path to Windows 8. This last problem is going to get worse the more complicated the laptop. This Qosmio has a TV receiver (never used) and dolby sound system. Trying to find linux drivers for some of this stuff means that firmware has to be swapped out in the fly. Not a good situation. My advise. By only what you absolutely need. Forget the bells and whistles unless you really have a specific need. Simple is cheaper and probably more useful. Unless you need this within the next 6-12 months you might consider waiting to see what happens with bigger ePaper screens. I want a tablet but won't buy until I find one with a ePaper screen. The battery life goes up by a factor of 10 or more and the screen is readable at very obtuse angles and in direct sun light. i hope this helps Gary R. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50b0fefd.6000...@verizon.net
xfwm4 failure and fix
Hello, all: Just fyi, on a recent restart of my testing machine with xfce, my window manager appeared broken (no workspaces, no title bars, etc.). Googling revealed that xfwm4, for reasons unexplained, had not been restored when the session restarted. One suggestion was Alt-F2 which, in xfce, brings up a window allowing one to run an application; but text entry was broken. Another was to do 'rm -r ~/.cache/sessions'. After doing that, and a restart, windows control is restored. Hope that helps someone who encounters the same problem. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsPDdKpYQH5CzUy8-=fjdd-mc+oprwmk1qn_zk4nhc1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xfwm4 failure and fix
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 17:51 -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Hello, all: Just fyi, on a recent restart of my testing machine with xfce, my window manager appeared broken (no workspaces, no title bars, etc.). Googling revealed that xfwm4, for reasons unexplained, had not been restored when the session restarted. One suggestion was Alt-F2 which, in xfce, brings up a window allowing one to run an application; but text entry was broken. Another was to do 'rm -r ~/.cache/sessions'. After doing that, and a restart, windows control is restored. Hope that helps someone who encounters the same problem. Patrick For current Xfce4 on other Linux distros deleting the cache only does solve some issues. There's much more broken for current Linux (perhaps at the moment not for Debian, but for other Distros that already follow upstream dictatorship), not only Xfce4 is borked. I keep Linux, but I also take a look at BSD and at Linux solutions without X, DBUS, systemd and all that crap hat at the moment at least slows down performance. YMMV! Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353798124.2662.36.camel@q
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
On Vi, 23 nov 12, 17:04:27, Nate Bargmann wrote: On Ubuntu distros set up like that, 'sudo su' has worked on the rare occasion a root shell prompt was needed. Why bother with su? sudo can start a shell as well and you don't even need to type its name (hint: -i or -s). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
On Sb, 24 nov 12, 02:50:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: It's completely useless to run a web browser with root privileges. Especially on a computer without *any* network access :D SCNR Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
On Jo, 22 nov 12, 22:30:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: And, seriously, windows users do that by default and their computers works not so bad. That's a joke, right? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang
On 11/25/12, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: On 24.11.2012 14:40, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... What are you expecting it to do? It doesn't hang. It is a system daemon which just waits sits there and waits for requests (via D-Bus). Nothing unexpected here aside from starting this tool directly. It would be like starting apache by hand and then wondering that it sits there waiting for requests via port 80. Michael Thanks for the clarifications. $ lighttpd --help lighttpd: invalid option -- '-' lighttpd/1.4.31 (ssl) (Jul 14 2012 12:10:48) - a light and fast webserver usage: -f name filename of the config-file -m name module directory (default: /usr/lib/lighttpd) -p print the parsed config-file in internal form, and exit -t test the config-file, and exit -D don't go to background (default: go to background) -v show version -V show compile-time features -h show this help $ /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed --help This program takes no arguments. $ man lighttpd #... $ man systemd-hostnamed No manual entry for systemd-hostnamed I guess, being a boot time program and possibly headed for inclusion-in-initrd territory, the intent is to keep core daemons as small as possible, and not encumbered with memory consuming --help option? For discoverability/learnability of such things, should I be saying the source code is the man page? Or should I simply ignore all binaries in /lib/ ? From /usr/share/doc/systemd/README, : When systemd-hostnamed is used it is strongly recommended to install nss-myhostname to ensure that in a world of dynamically changing hostnames the hostname stays resolveable under all circumstances. In fact, systemd-hostnamed will warn if nss-myhostname is not installed. Packagers are encouraged to add a dependency on nss-myhostname to the package that includes systemd-hostnamed. Perhaps the lack of libnss causes the big delays when starting xterm after changing hostname? Ought there be an addition to man hostname, suggesting that updating hostname with /bin/hostname, and/ or with /etc/hostname edit, should be accompanied with an address resolvability update to /etc/hosts in order to avoid long timeouts when starting applications (perhaps just under X?) ?? apropos hostname man 5 hostname # still no suggestion that changing hostname may cause resolver delays man 7 hostname # this possibly gives a bit of a hint (please note, I totally forgot about apropos until just now) What I am getting at here is the issue of (lack of) discoverability regarding this hostname-causing-application-startup-delays issue and how to fix it. debian-user is a great fallback. It ought to be possible, when someone in the future asks a similar question, that we can point the newbie to say man hostname # and read paragraph 3 or say: apropos hostname man 5 hostname # and read paragraph 3 or some such. I attempted to discover/solve my problem/annoyance (10+ seconds xterm startup delays), but was not able to solve the problem with the references to the systems documentation which I tried, and I don't seem to see any clarity on this from man 5 or man 7 either. I am very grateful for the abundant documentation we have, and would like to see a little more, if that is a good idea in this case. A rough initial draft for an extra paragraph in man 1 hostname or man 5 hostname: WARNING (or CAUTION, or under NOTES ?) Changing the hostname during runtime, without the new hostname being resolvable to an ip address can cause delays when starting applications which are in any way linked to the resolver(5). This is the case for most(all?) X applications Suggestions appreciated, and when we have satisfactory wording, we can forward the suggestion to hostname-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, and/ or create a bug against hostname package? Guidance appreciated. Best regaqrds Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQrSY1gJPAfziR16cb9RmMD0Xq=m7isyekkwaoe3z8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 01:11 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 24 nov 12, 02:50:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: It's completely useless to run a web browser with root privileges. Especially on a computer without *any* network access :D Oops, a bad example :D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353799293.2662.47.camel@q
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 01:14 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 22 nov 12, 22:30:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: And, seriously, windows users do that by default and their computers works not so bad. That's a joke, right? FWIW for old computers it did work that way and I wanted that for Linux too in the past, but found out that it's not needed. If I would need something similar today, I would use sudo and it's frontends (e.g. gksudo) without a password. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353799725.2662.50.camel@q
how to systemctl status blah, showing journal/log at same time ?
Hi, on http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemctl-journal.html (a short page) says that (for Fedora 17) they hooked up systemctl status daemon-name.blah to also give last 10 lines of journal output. Can I configure systemd this on debian? tia zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSfKvNsg92-gqQXm4_r4AAm=JD+ajwSwWZFdiVy+zf=h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to systemctl status blah, showing journal/log at same time ?
[SOLVED] Requires sudo as normal user. It's simply re permissions. Perhaps a NOTE in the output of systemctl to hint at this? zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnst5ubjv4qjp_p4uklfbgyfvoff0k6d-ml29eq44y1a...@mail.gmail.com
UserIDs and setups for developers
My inclination from wayback was that if I had done something in perl, the email address in the documentation would be perl@ It seems that I need to get serious about some of this, and I am not quite sure what is the best way to approach this. I am guessing the running Git is the best option for version control. But looking at the setup for dummies part of the documentation, it wants people to configure Git with an email address. Which makes me think that to do things in the way I had originally leanded towards, I would have to have to add a UserID of perl to my computer, who happened to have /home/fred/src/perl as a HOME directory, and that the UID of perl is the same as that of fred. Does this make sense? Is there a better way? Gord -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211241755.44564.ghave...@materialisations.com
Re: UserIDs and setups for developers
Just use your own email address, ghaverla@... If you want to distinguish various email addresses, create multiple (real) email addresses, and use those per-project. That could easily get unwieldy though... Where do you want emails to go? Is your code to be given away/ made public in some way? Presumably by including an email address in your source code, you're providing a way for other developers to contact you. In which case, to satisfy your intent you need to use a real email address. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsr8dmvi1vvocdu-2dycu981f9hs-1dzw3pxgtntnuw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: UserIDs and setups for developers
No need to create a user. /etc/aliases is what you want. man etc-aliases -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwy61lmh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: UserIDs and setups for developers
On November 24, 2012, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Just use your own email address, ghaverla@... If you want to distinguish various email addresses, create multiple (real) email addresses, and use those per-project. That could easily get unwieldy though... Where do you want emails to go? Is your code to be given away/ made public in some way? Presumably by including an email address in your source code, you're providing a way for other developers to contact you. In which case, to satisfy your intent you need to use a real email address. I am getting close to producing a package (written in Perl) which is useful to people who do GPS related work, but should be useful to any kind of surface related work (such as Materials Science and Engineering, which is my home). But, I think this package will eventually be something like 50 different modules, as probably something like 10 different families of packages. The intention is to send this to CPAN, being a Debian person I suppose I could build it for Debian. But parts of this package are of general usefulness. Which is why it will be families of modules. Most people start by doing something simple. I didn't. From what other people have recommended, I should start publishing the bits that work. I suppose most people who write Perl code, expect bugs and everything else to go to CPAN. Over the years, I've had questions about using various other Perl modules, and so having some other contact method seems to be needed. I thought it would be useful on my end, to have incoming mail related to Perl, to have a UserID of 'perl' in the destination address. Maybe this package of mine becomes useful to people. And perhaps Debian picks it up. My hope then would be to use debian@... as the contact, instead of perl@ I can see how this can snowball into all kinds of directions. I have never produced software which is useful across many different applications before, and I am just trying to minimize problems for me, or for users. Thanks. Gord -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211241939.53691.ghave...@materialisations.com
Re: UserIDs and setups for developers
On 11/25/12, Gordon Haverland ghave...@materialisations.com wrote: On November 24, 2012, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Just use your own email address, ghaverla@... If you want to distinguish various email addresses, create multiple (real) email addresses, and use those per-project. That could easily get unwieldy though... Where do you want emails to go? Is your code to be given away/ made public in some way? Presumably by including an email address in your source code, you're providing a way for other developers to contact you. In which case, to satisfy your intent you need to use a real email address. I am getting close to producing a package (written in Perl) which is useful to people who do GPS related work, but should be useful to any kind of surface related work (such as Materials Science and Engineering, which is my home). But, I think this package will eventually be something like 50 different modules, as probably something like 10 different families of packages. The intention is to send this to CPAN, being a Debian person I suppose I could build it for Debian. But parts of this package are of general usefulness. Which is why it will be families of modules. If you build for debian, dpkg-deb can un-zip a .deb package, just like tar etc. If it's generally useful to a range of people, then presumably it will get used, regardless of packaging - but easy installation does make it more convenient. Most people start by doing something simple. I didn't. From what other people have recommended, I should start publishing the bits that work. Definitely. Publish early, publish often. Create a git account somewhere, eg on code.google.com Choose a license before publishing I recommend. I like GPL family, others prefer BSD/X/MIT family etc. See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html for comparison and ideas on why _you_ might prefer one license over another. You might choose to choose a license on pragmatic, political-strategic, broad-acceptance-strategic, or other bases. I suppose most people who write Perl code, expect bugs and everything else to go to CPAN. Over the years, I've had questions about using various other Perl modules, and so having some other contact method seems to be needed. I thought it would be useful on my end, to have incoming mail related to Perl, to have a UserID of 'perl' in the destination address. I think just a regular email address - either way, make sure to test whatever email addy you choose, that it gets to you, when an email is sent from in-the-wild. Maybe this package of mine becomes useful to people. And perhaps Debian picks it up. My hope then would be to use debian@... as the contact, instead of perl@ That is natural part of debian packages - std contact locations, bug reporting etc. I can see how this can snowball into all kinds of directions. I have never produced software which is useful across many different applications before, and I am just trying to minimize problems for me, or for users. Focus on releasing those parts which work. Small clean modular, working, these are good attributes :) cheers zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNST=2vypjwr_ee4grmbpu5btzlnz0ay_kth0vo0si58...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:20:03 +0100 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: Decency seems to be a dying breed, sadly ;-) lunacy is very much alive however. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ahdn8nf2gd...@mid.individual.net
Re: how to systemctl status blah, showing journal/log at same time ?
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:39:03AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: [SOLVED] Requires sudo as normal user. It's simply re permissions. Perhaps a NOTE in the output of systemctl to hint at this? I suggest you aim your comments (via a bug report if you wish) where they may actually be listened to. You really are wasting your time¹ thinking anything will happen if you request it on this list. ¹ And bandwidth. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121125063541.GC9596@tal
Re: Debian op laptop!
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:41:06PM +0100, Eric wrote: On 11/21/2012 11:15 Je schrijft het niet expliciet, maar bedoel je laptops met Debian pre-installed? Dat zou natuurlijk mooi wezen, maar ik kan het ook wel zelf installeren. Het idee is dat als er een vorm van linux op pre-installed is, dat je er vanuit kunt gaan dat alles werkt. Dat is een reden om zulke hardware te kopen ( alles werkt ) Mijn belangrijkste reden om hardware met Linux pre-installed te kopen is om met mijn portomonee te stemmen. Dus om hardwarefabrikanten te laten weten dat er markt is voor computers met vrije software. Want anders kun je natuurlijk elke HP/Dell/Lenovo/Merk X pakken, die doen het ook prima met Debian erop. Ik wist niet wat de stand van zaken was op dit gebied, vooral waar het wireless, en sound betreft. Zo te horen werken de meeste dingen wel. In het verleden heb ik ook wel eens gehoord dat linux weliswaar draait op een laptop, maar niet goed samenwerkt met de verschillende powersave modi, waardoor je korter met een batterij doet. Dat soort dingen vind je niet altijd 1-2-3 uit een folder of door een website van een winkel te lezen. Het is inderdaad veel beter dan de FUD doet vermoedden. Ik typ dit nu op een nieuwe Dell Latitude E6430. Alleen voor de installatie van Debian moest ik een ethernetkabel inprikken, omdat de wireless chipset non-free firmware nodig heeft die niet door de installer wordt ondersteund, maar na installatie was die gewoon apt-gettable. Ik zou er de voorkeur aangeven als het allemaal door free software ondersteund werd, maar zou hier ook wel mee kunnen leven. Elders in deze thread is te lezen dat er binary blobs beschikbaar zijn in Debian onder firmware-non-free. Voor nu, 2012, is dat een mooie consessie. Aan ons de uitdaging om meer duidelijkheid te krijgen over zulke blobs. Hardware zal meer FPGA worden, daar wil je de VHDL-source van. Waarschijnlijk niet vandaag, waarschijnlijk niet iedereen van ons. Dat jij wel de source van de blob wilt, is omdat jij weet dat het jouw hardware is en jij er leuke dingen mee wilt doen. Concreet voorbeeld is http://hackaday.com/2012/03/30/working-software-defined-radio-with-a-tv-tuner-card/ Dat er bewust computers gekocht worden met GNU/Linux erop, is goed! Groeten Geert Stappers -- And is there a policy on top-posting vs. bottom-posting? Yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-dutch-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121124150112.ga5...@gpm.stappers.nl
