date:20140307

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 07:03 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 01:03 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 07 mar 14, 01:28:11, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
> > > > What do your friends expect, if they switch from Windows to Linux? 
> > > 
> > > This is multiple people. Publishers and authors mostly. I'd imagine
> > > they'd expect to run LyX, Inkscape, Gimp, LibreOffice, get and send
> > > email, and browse the web.
> > 
> > And you are of course aware that all these applications also have 
> > Windows versions so they can all switch before switching to Linux? This 
> > would make things much easier.
> 
> This is the reason for my doubts. If I would use Windows, I would use
> the same browser, the same Image Manipulation Program etc., I'm using
> with Linux. If people are using something from Adobe instead of GIMP,
> they likely could run it using wine, but that already is the whole
> point. Did the friends use FLOSS software with their XP installs? When
> switching to Linux, would they like too use FLOSS software, or will they
> run wine or a virtual machine and use all the proprietary software? JFTR
> you might have payed for software with a dongle, but when running it
> with wine, it's likely that not the payed version with a dongle does
> run, but just an illegal cracked version.
> 
> I try to help newbies, especially in *buntu lists, where many people are
> not naive *nix users, but people who started using computers with#
 native :D I noticed other typos, e.g. too vs too, but this one
might confuse a little bit


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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 01:03 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 07 mar 14, 01:28:11, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
> > > What do your friends expect, if they switch from Windows to Linux? 
> > 
> > This is multiple people. Publishers and authors mostly. I'd imagine
> > they'd expect to run LyX, Inkscape, Gimp, LibreOffice, get and send
> > email, and browse the web.
> 
> And you are of course aware that all these applications also have 
> Windows versions so they can all switch before switching to Linux? This 
> would make things much easier.

This is the reason for my doubts. If I would use Windows, I would use
the same browser, the same Image Manipulation Program etc., I'm using
with Linux. If people are using something from Adobe instead of GIMP,
they likely could run it using wine, but that already is the whole
point. Did the friends use FLOSS software with their XP installs? When
switching to Linux, would they like too use FLOSS software, or will they
run wine or a virtual machine and use all the proprietary software? JFTR
you might have payed for software with a dongle, but when running it
with wine, it's likely that not the payed version with a dongle does
run, but just an illegal cracked version.

I try to help newbies, especially in *buntu lists, where many people are
not naive *nix users, but people who started using computers with
Microsoft Windows. I also offered friends and employers (social work) to
introduce them to use FLOSS software on Windows or to use Linux.

In the end _all_ of them go back and used Windows. "Yesterday I bought
that all in one, fax, photocopier, scanner, printer at discounter A.,
but I can't use it. My friend using Windows foo bar just connected it to
his machine and has got fun."

Newbies are welcome! But to foist Linux on friends, doesn't help those
friends. Only the OP does know his/her friends, we don't know them.

Again, newbies are welcome, but the "brainless" approach is contrary to
Linux usage.

Everybody who want's to help people, needs to listen to the needs of
those people. Not everybody shares the computer needs we Linux users
have got.

Debian or any other Linux aren't competitors, aren't replacements for
Windows. Linux is something completely different. Especially Windows
users who prefer IE over Firefox, Opera etc. or who prefer Adobe over
GIMP etc. pp. ... IOW who already ignored good software when using
Windows, but preferred proprietary software, people who want to buy each
month computer gear at the discounter, those people never ever will
become used to Linux.

It's funny to read that some people claim they will help everybody, when
those people killed filed half of this community and those people are
the first who mention to read the fine manual.

Before recommending Linux to people used to Windows, I recommend to talk
to those people and ask them what their interests are, how much they are
interested in maintaining the software and taking care about hard ware
compatibility. Reading *buntu mailing lists archive first might
enlighten those who fake to welcome everybody. Especially those who
complain about broken threads, HTML etc. should not fake to welcome
every Windows user.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Joel Rees

Well, you know, I was fully expecting, since about ten years ago, to
"any day now" get my siblings (and my parents when they were still
around) moved to Linux and/or bsd systems.

The best I have been able to do is help my oldest sister get started
on an iBook, and she has maintained herself pretty well there. When
she had to move from the iBook to a Macbook, she did so with the help
of some friends there. Moving her to any Linux distro I can think of
would have required me to be there, and would require me to be there
regularly.

I'm across an ocean from my siblings, so that makes my case a bit more
extreme than with you and your friends, but, as others have said,
moving from MSWindows to Linux is not the no-brainer we used to think
it was. Not for people picked randomly from among our friends/family.

That said,

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have several friends, with Windows XP, who are now considering moving
> to Linux because of XP's impending stoppage of support.

Have they had help coming to this conclusion? Have they had
experience? Do they have the motivation?

> Normally, I'd
> just tell them to install Xubuntu.

I was half-way to asking why, but I now realize you said "X"ubuntu.

> But some of these people have memory
> starved machines, and in my travels I've found that, using the Network
> Install, Debian installs in anything 128MB or above.

>From your responses to other posts, I see that you are planning to get
some of them started with second machines, so I assume that you mean
that there are some who aren't able to upgrade their hardware. Does
this mean that they will be forming a sort of support group for each
other with you?

I would consider that to be a very wise choice, particularly if they
can get together physically on occasion.

> Most other
> distros, even if they could somehow *run* in such memory starved
> machines, can't install in them due to the bloat of their GUI
> installers.

Even with the netinstall CD, you are going to have to walk some of
your friends through the process. Others, maybe you can get your
friends who pick it up easily to help with.

But recommending the non-graphical install for new users who plan to
go graphical is not necessarily a good idea, and, may not be necessary
even for memory starved machines.

BTW, if you and your friends live anywhere close to reasonably priced
supplies of RAM, even, say, USD 50 for pushing RAM up to 2G, or even
500M, however far the hardware supports, will make life so much
easier, failing to recommend upgrading RAM seems to me like a
disservice.

Similar for hard disk, since they need to start taking responsibility
for what goes onto there machines, and that means installing stuff,
playing around with it, and removing it.

The also need the room for the inevitable progression from stable to
stable. Or the inevitable dual-boot to play with Mint or Gentoo,
depending on how interesting they find the exercise.

VM is also something they should consider.

> What I'd like to do with my friends is:
>
> 1: Install them toward the *right* Wheezy network install image for
>their CPU. I've never been able to easily find the right network
>install image, and just sort of used whatever I could find.

You got the pointer for that already, I think?

> 2: Tell them how to use the network install CD to install Debian sans
>GUI.

If you are encouraging them, don't even suggest they do the first one
by themselves, with or without the GUI during install. Plan on walking
them through it in person. Urge them to do a re-install without your
help while you are there, or maybe a week or a month later when you
have time to come back.

An install party might be a good idea? If someone has the bandwidth,
or if you can take the time to set up a local mirror in advance, that
is.

> 3: Tell them to apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies

apt-get is pretty straightforward there, if you don't choose to
install them during the install.

Any particular reason for holding off installing the graphical part
even if they are doing a non-graphical install?

> 4: Tell them how to make Xfce be what runs when they issue the startx
>command.

Heh. That one is a good question. But it was a lot easier than I
originally thought. The second easiest answer is that the last one
installed tends to be the default, and if multiple are installed, most
login screens allow you to choose before you type the password in;

> 5: Tell them how to make iceweasel play youtube videos (I think today I
>saw someone on this list say to go to youtube.com/html5 : Is that a
>good solution in general?)

Hard to say. It seems to me like the "solution" is being held for
ransom. Politics and market strategy.

> 6: Are you guys cool with my friends, who would all be raw newbies,
>joining this list?

Let them read one of the recent flame wars and decide how comfortable
they would be. It's not really a question for

Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread kalanga

This web site has instructions on how to perform a debian install from
a net install image to build a full desktop environment (including
latest iceweasel and flash):

http://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/07/05/light-debian-linux-for-family-and-friends/

The only change I would make to the above instructions would be to use
the netinstall iso found here:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/

This iso includes the non-free firmware and will minimize install
problems.  With a network install iso you will need internet access to
complete the install so the non-free firmware might be required
depending on the network hardware.



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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 23:12 +, Joe wrote:
> One of my main requirements for Windows is in running several unusual
> USB peripherals, and I've usually found problems with USB in a virtual
> environment.

Unfortunately it could happen that some USB devices need to be virtually
reconnected when doing some operations, this could become a serious
issue. I'm only experiencing this, when updating a tablet PC's iOS by
iTunes, so for me it's not a serious issue, it's just annoying.

> There is also the point that I only have OEM licences for XP, and that
> doesn't cover virtualising. I figure that if I break the MS licensing
> agreement, that makes me no better than them, and I'm not having *that*.

I disagree with this argument. If monopolists try to force us to do
something and I'm able to bypass the force, then, if needed, I wouldn't
care about the license.

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Re: domain-name option during the installation of Debian

Thanks for posting plain text... but please don't top post:-
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Interleaved


On 08/03/14 13:48, Martin T wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> what I meant with this ping example is that domain name provided 
> during the installation(lab.net in my case) seems to be in use only
> in one place which is the /etc/network/interfaces file "dns-search"
> line.

If you only put the domain name into that section of the installer then
it's stored in /etc/network/interfaces. But clearly it is being
stored elsewhere - if you comment out that dns search line and then:-
$ hostname -d

man getdomainname give some clues.

> This means that if I execute "host www",

As previously noted - www is a subdomain, not a host. "host" queries the
DNS, which has it's own set of rules for guessing the answer.

> it asks DNS server for A record for www.lab.net or if I execute "ping
> mail", then I'm actually executing "ping mail.lab.net".

I can't reproduce your results. Perhaps that points to the DNS server setup?


> 
> However, the question itself is simple

So am I, but I don't understand your question (it seems ambiguous) :)

> - where and how is the domain name, which I inserted during the
> installation, used?

Not trying to be obtuse but...
Where is it *stored*? Or where is it *used*?
The former I'm not certain of (see comment on editing interfaces) and
the latter is a list I don't know the full extent of.


> So far it seems to be used only for completing the domain names.

Yes (AFAIK). But that's used for a lot of things (using getdomainname).

> 
> 
> regards, Martin
> 
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Scott Ferguson 
>  wrote:
>> On 08/03/14 12:40, Martin T wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> during the installation of Debian, one is asked for "domain
>>> name".
>> 
>> If it's not set automatically (by arping?)
>> 
>>> Only place where it seems to be used is for completing the
>>> FQDN's:
>>> 
>>> root@localhost:~# find / \( \( -path "/proc" -o -path "/sys" \)
>>> -a -prune \) -o \( -type f -a -exec grep -iH "lab.net" {} \; \) 
>>> /var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont
>>>  /var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi
>>> Denis-Courmont  
>>> /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat:Value: lab.net 
>>> /etc/network/interfaces: dns-search lab.net root@localhost:~#
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So in case I execute "ping www", it is translated automatically
>>> to "ping www.lab.net".
>> 
>> ?  Do you mean when running ping from the local machine? (www.
>> should be a subdomain).  The only way I'd see that was if it was
>> registered in a local dns, /etc/hosts, or as a result of .htaccess
>> (in a web server).
>> 
>>> 
>>> However, where and how is the domain-name used during/after
>>> Debian installation?
>> 
>> I'm having a particularly thick day and don't understand the
>> question. Do you mean where is it stored, and an exhaustive list of
>> it's applications?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> regards, Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Puzzled by question and your results from ping.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
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Re: domain-name option during the installation of Debian

2014-03-07 Thread Martin T

Scott,

what I meant with this ping example is that domain name provided
during the installation(lab.net in my case) seems to be in use only in
one place which is the /etc/network/interfaces file "dns-search" line.
This means that if I execute "host www", it asks DNS server for A
record for www.lab.net or if I execute "ping mail", then I'm actually
executing "ping mail.lab.net". You can read more about this from
manual page of resolv.conf.

However, the question itself is simple- where and how is the domain
name, which I inserted during the installation, used? So far it seems
to be used only for completing the domain names.


regards,
Martin

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:
> On 08/03/14 12:40, Martin T wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> during the installation of Debian, one is asked for "domain name".
>
> If it's not set automatically (by arping?)
>
>> Only place where it seems to be used is for completing the FQDN's:
>>
>> root@localhost:~# find / \( \( -path "/proc" -o -path "/sys" \) -a
>> -prune \) -o \( -type f -a -exec grep -iH "lab.net" {} \; \)
>> /var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont 
>> /var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont 
>> /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat:Value: lab.net
>> /etc/network/interfaces: dns-search lab.net
>> root@localhost:~#
>>
>>
>> So in case I execute "ping www", it is translated automatically to
>> "ping www.lab.net".
>
> ?  Do you mean when running ping from the local machine? (www. should be
> a subdomain).  The only way I'd see that was if it was registered in a
> local dns, /etc/hosts, or as a result of .htaccess (in a web server).
>
>>
>> However, where and how is the domain-name used during/after Debian 
>> installation?
>
> I'm having a particularly thick day and don't understand the question.
> Do you mean where is it stored, and an exhaustive list of it's
> applications?
>
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>
> Puzzled by question and your results from ping.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
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Re: Test

2014-03-07 Thread Bill Wood

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 00:11 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
   . . .
> That's not moderation (it would also be impossible to do with open 
> lists), it's just oversight ;)

I hope oversight works better here than in other all-to-familiar
contexts.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 09:12:50PM +0400, Reco wrote:
>  Hi.
> 
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 00:04:48 +1300
> Chris Bannister  wrote:
> 
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Linux also use all available
> > memory?
> 
> No. Linux will keep unused amount of memory equal to (in kbytes):
> /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes

Thanks for the pointer.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt

[...]
min_free_kbytes:

[...]
Some minimal amount of memory is needed to satisfy PF_MEMALLOC
allocations; if you set this to lower than 1024KB, your system will
become subtly broken, and prone to deadlock under high loads.
[...]

Microsoft have got theirs set wrong! :)

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Re: domain-name option during the installation of Debian

On 08/03/14 12:40, Martin T wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> during the installation of Debian, one is asked for "domain name".

If it's not set automatically (by arping?)

> Only place where it seems to be used is for completing the FQDN's:
> 
> root@localhost:~# find / \( \( -path "/proc" -o -path "/sys" \) -a
> -prune \) -o \( -type f -a -exec grep -iH "lab.net" {} \; \)
> /var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont 
> /var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont 
> /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat:Value: lab.net
> /etc/network/interfaces: dns-search lab.net
> root@localhost:~#
> 
> 
> So in case I execute "ping www", it is translated automatically to
> "ping www.lab.net".

?  Do you mean when running ping from the local machine? (www. should be
a subdomain).  The only way I'd see that was if it was registered in a
local dns, /etc/hosts, or as a result of .htaccess (in a web server).

> 
> However, where and how is the domain-name used during/after Debian 
> installation?

I'm having a particularly thick day and don't understand the question.
Do you mean where is it stored, and an exhaustive list of it's
applications?

> 
> 
> 
> regards,
> Martin
> 
> 

Puzzled by question and your results from ping.

Kind regards


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Re: Samba 4

On 08/03/14 06:18, Shane Johnson wrote:
> I have been working on this for 3 days now and need some assistance 
> please.
> 
> Somewhere, I am running into a disconnect between documentations.  I
>  have used the resources on wiki.samba.org 
> to try and set up just a simple file share.  I don't  need it to be
> a PDC or a BDC or do printer shares.  I have also tried google and
> the references I could find there and still am stuck.  All the
> Debian info I can find relates to Samba3.

Make sure the Samba3 processes have changed before discarding the guide ;)

> Therefore, If anyone know how to do this or can point me to a
> reference that they know works that would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> I am running Jessie-amd64 and trying to set up just a file share.

I'm presuming you've broken the process into steps to aid debugging e.g.

Ensure your smb.conf for your file share is correctly configured:-
$ testparm -v | less

Test that it works
$ smbclient -L localhost

Check your logs for errors.

When you have that setup properly then try configuring authentication
against the Windoof PDC. Test that by using smbclient locally and
authenticating against the PDC to access other CIFS shares - then try
using the PDC to access you local share.


> I want it to authenticate against my domain controller ( Member 
> server ) about half the commands from the samba wiki say no such 
> program

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by the last half of that
sentence.

> and I have joined the server to the domain

How do that?
How did you determine it was "joined"?

Sorry if the answers to those questions should be obvious to me, but I'm
a bit thick, and I rarely set up Samba.

> but can't do anything beyond that. I have installed samba4 from the
> repositories.  I guess my next step would be to compile from source
> if I can't get the programs from the repositories to work.
> 
> Please help.
> 
> Thank you. -- Shane D. Johnson IT Administrator Rasmussen Equipment
> 
> 

You many find this article instructive:-
http://david-latham.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/samba4-windows-and-linux-authentication.html

A *very* useful resource is:-
https://lists.samba.org/
Posting protocol:-
https://www.samba.org/samba/ml-etiquette.html


Kind regards

P.S. Please don't post HTML to the list. A very short guide on how to
post plain text from gmail is here:-
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Gmail


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domain-name option during the installation of Debian

2014-03-07 Thread Martin T

Hi,

during the installation of Debian, one is asked for "domain name".
Only place where it seems to be used is for completing the FQDN's:

root@localhost:~# find / \( \( -path "/proc" -o -path "/sys" \) -a
-prune \) -o \( -type f -a -exec grep -iH "lab.net" {} \; \)
/var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont 
/var/log/installer/status:Maintainer: Rémi Denis-Courmont 
/var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat:Value: lab.net
/etc/network/interfaces: dns-search lab.net
root@localhost:~#


So in case I execute "ping www", it is translated automatically to
"ping www.lab.net".

However, where and how is the domain-name used during/after Debian installation?



regards,
Martin


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Re: feature request for this mailing list

2014-03-07 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 02:28:21PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Ok, I see. Well, asking did not cost a lot, and now I know that it
> will not be made to avoid "bloating" subject field.

No. It is because there are *already* sufficient headers for this
purpose. Besides, remember the Subject header can be edited by any
poster!

> Anyway, it's interesting to see that people asks for it repeatedly.

Yeah! The majority of people also prefer HTML email, top posting, and the
death penalty! Just as well we don't always listen to them, eh!

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Re: questions about password safes

On 08/03/14 03:56, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
> safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
> Schneier's "Password Safe".

Good choice. There are a myriad of "secure" password managers available.
Unlike many of the others Password Safe has been thoroughly audited.
(KeepassX has had some auditing).

> There is a package in Sid by the name
> "mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
> software suitable modified to word with Debian.

As someone has already pointed out. The version in the Debian repository
not for your CPU. It's basically Password Safe with a GTK interface.

You can use the Ubuntu package of Password Safe (I find it works well in
Wheezy, not tested in Sid):-
http://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/files/latest/download?source=files
# dpkg -i passwordsafe-ubuntu-*.deb
# apt-get -f install

The last command install the missing dependencies, at minimum,
libxerces-c3.1 libykpers-1-1 libyubikey0

Password Safe related projects:-
http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/relatedprojects.shtml

You can download the non-Debian package here (but you may find sticking
to Debian packaging simpler):-
http://www.semanticgap.com/myps/release/

> 
> If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
> is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
> someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.

Thoroughly audited (suitable for intended purposes)?  Not AFAIK.
Avoid "store in the cloud" password managers - trusting some company to
keep your data safe, for free, doesn't have a great track record.

"Popular" password managers with a history of vulnerabilities include
Keepass and Lastpass (not an exhaustive list of less than perfect
"security" products. The former at least don't store the data in a
"cloud" but did take months to patch a minor vulnerability.

> 
> TIA
> 

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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Joel Rees

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:56 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
> safe. [...]

I don't know if this is going to be another of my suggestions that
will prove incendiary or not, but, really, think carefully about this.

One, every piece of software that touches your passwords is one more
that can see them and might be perverted to give it up to someone you
don't want to give it up to. (Not talking about helping in the
execution of wills here.)

Two, password safes are easy to build. If you haven't built one yet,
give it a try. The only problem with building your own is choosing (or
choosing not to use) an API to follow so that software can pass the
authentication job off to your home-built password safe, but I
personally see that as a feature. The reason why is because of the the
next point:

Three, I already seem to have installed two password safes. I'm not
sure how, except that the KDE one was probably part of some package
provided by the boys at KDE, and the Gnome one, well, by the boys at
Gnome. They aren't called safes, they are called wallets.

And they aren't mine. (See points one and two.)

Four, I actually have a third safe installed. It's called gnupg. It's
a little baroque, but at least it doesn't jump in and say "LET ME HELP
YOU! LET ME HELP YOU! WHY WON'T YOU LET ME HELP YOU?!?!?!?!?!" every
time I run an svnsync. (Yeah, I'm new to svnsync, and not all that
familiar with svn. Still get a bit confused when switching between git
and svn. I'm sure I'm supposed to have set something up in the svn
configurations to tell wallets and such to stay the longest way away
from my authentication chain.)

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 20:40:58 +0100
Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:11 +, Joe wrote:

> > 
> > So I'll be wiping XP off my old laptop (actually refitting the
> > original 40GB drive, as the 120GB drive which has run for the last
> > eight years is showing early signs of dementia) and running only
> > Sid on it.
> 
> Depending to the needs, it might be useful to install Linux and to run
> XP in a virtual machine. With VBox it's possible to run a Linux
> desktop and a XP desktop seamlessly.
> 
> Take a look at the link:
> 
> http://picpaste.com/linux-jwm-and-windows-xp.png
> 
> The above panel is a Linux JWM panel and the below panel is the XP
> task bar. XP does run as a guest in a Linux VBox. The upper right
> window is the XP file browser and the left lower window is a Linux
> ROXTerm.
> 

One of my main requirements for Windows is in running several unusual
USB peripherals, and I've usually found problems with USB in a virtual
environment. One item is a programmer, and I can't really afford
glitches in driving it. I thought it would be more likely to be reliable
the other way around, so I'm building up a Sid installation in
Virtualbox under Win 8. I need gschem and a couple of other things that
don't have (useful) Windows ports, and they don't have to drive
peripherals directly.

My other need is for mobile use with some security, so I'm relieved to
find it quite easy to boot to Sid on an external USB drive. There are
all kinds of stories about Win 8 machines, which must have Secure Boot
firmware, and it was impossible to get any kind of hard data in
advance. I must remember to submit somewhere the information that this
particular model is OK in this respect, I had no way to know beforehand.

So I can run OpenVPN and/or ssh in an insecure network, with some
confidence in the firewalling. I would not operate any version of
Windows on public wifi. Given a pocket-sized USB drive which boots
Linux happily, I can't be bothered messing with dual-boot.

There is also the point that I only have OEM licences for XP, and that
doesn't cover virtualising. I figure that if I break the MS licensing
agreement, that makes me no better than them, and I'm not having *that*.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Vi, 07 mar 14, 01:28:11, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
> > What do your friends expect, if they switch from Windows to Linux? 
> 
> This is multiple people. Publishers and authors mostly. I'd imagine
> they'd expect to run LyX, Inkscape, Gimp, LibreOffice, get and send
> email, and browse the web.

And you are of course aware that all these applications also have 
Windows versions so they can all switch before switching to Linux? This 
would make things much easier.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Jo, 06 mar 14, 20:16:05, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to do with my friends is:
> 
> 1: Install them toward the *right* Wheezy network install image for
>their CPU. I've never been able to easily find the right network
>install image, and just sort of used whatever I could find.

Unless you *know* their systems support 64 bit go with i386. It will 
also make installation of some non-free 32 bit only software easier 
(e.g. skype).

> 2: Tell them how to use the network install CD to install Debian sans
>GUI.
> 3: Tell them to apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
> 4: Tell them how to make Xfce be what runs when they issue the startx
>command.

Don't make things harder than necessary, there are dedicated CD images 
for each of the 4 Desktop Environments. Here's the link to the latest 
stable XFCE image:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso

Besides installing XFCE by default this will also make sure the 
installation works if there are troubles with the internet connection.

> 5: Tell them how to make iceweasel play youtube videos (I think today I
>saw someone on this list say to go to youtube.com/html5 : Is that a
>good solution in general?)

No idea. I have it selected, but I also have flashplugin-nonfree 
installed (from the 'contrib' repository), so youtube always works for 
me :)

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On Vi, 07 mar 14, 10:34:52, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 07 March 2014 08:47:27 Joe wrote:
> > To get back on topic, I'm fairly sure that in the past, an expert
> > Stable install has offered me LXDE and Xfce desktops in addition to
> > Gnome and KDE,
> 
> Still does.

Not quite. Before booting, go to Advanced -> Alternate Desktop 
Environments and choose yours (not 100% sure about the exact sequence). 
You still get the normal install, just with a different default DE. 
'expert' mode has to be specified explicitly.

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Re: Here's how to make yourself happier OT in re systemd

On Vi, 07 mar 14, 14:17:47, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> 
> To disable a service in this runlevel, rename its script in this
> directory so that the new name begins with a 'K' and a two-digit
> number, and run 'update-rc.d script defaults' to reorder the scripts
> according to dependencies.  A warning about the current runlevels
> being enabled not matching the LSB header in the init.d script will be
> printed.  To re-enable the service, rename the script back to its
> original name beginning with 'S' and run update-rc.d again.
> 
> For a more information see /etc/init.d/README.

I stand corrected, and update-rc.d(8) also explains why:

If  any files  named  /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist 
then update-rc.d does nothing.  The program was written this way so 
that it will never change an existing configuration, which may have 
been customized by the system administrator.  The program will only 
install links if none are present, i.e., if it appears that the 
service has never been installed before.

However, 'update-rc.d  disable|enable', besides being shorter 
and easier, also takes care of the other supported inits (currently only 
upstart and systemd, OpenRC is work in progress). This way a daemon 
disabled under sysvinit will stay disabled if you switch to something 
else.

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Re: feature request for this mailing list

On Vi, 07 mar 14, 21:48:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 14:27 -0600, Mr Queue wrote:
> > On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:28:21 +0100
> > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> > 
> > > [snip]
> > [snip]
> 
> Some people perhaps dislike to have a folder for everything, they
> perhaps prefer to have just a few folders and prefer to take care about
> the subject. For most mailing list it's common to have a
> "[foo_bar_mailing_list]" addition at the beginning of the subject.
> 
> [D-community-offtopic] is added by
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic ,
> perhaps a little bit too long, but a [deb user] or [deb general] or
> [deb questions] for the international Debian user list IMO would be ok.

Ahh, forgot about that, fixed :)

As my ultimate goal for -offtopic is to have it hosted under 
lists.debian.org I think it makes sense to keep the settings as close to 
-user (and other Debian lists) as possible, considering that l.d.o runs 
SmartList and alioth runs Mailman.

Besides, I don't like the tag >:)

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Re: Test

On Vi, 07 mar 14, 11:02:01, Curt wrote:
> On 2014-03-07, Brian  wrote:
> >
> >>From listmaster@l.d.o (it's a private mail but quoted verbatim with
> > permission).
> >
> >There are a bunch of things that may delay mails, that
> >is cross post detection and we routinely set several
> >keywords or threads to a delay list to slow overheated
> >discussions down.
> >
> 
> I guess the slowing down of overheated discussions leads to 
> their cooling.
> 
> But seriously I didn't know there was any moderation on this list.

That's not moderation (it would also be impossible to do with open 
lists), it's just oversight ;)

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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Brian

On Fri 07 Mar 2014 at 13:16:16 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:

> Of what use is apt-cache if I have no idea of the name of what I want?

  apt-cache search password | less

  apt-cache search password safe

  apt-cache search password manager

And so on. Imagination plays a part.

  apt-cache search schneier




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Re: feature request for this mailing list

On Friday 07 March 2014 20:27:56 Mr Queue wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:28:21 +0100
>
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> > Sounds like I'll have to ask to the admin of my mail account to
> > implement something to have some filters, or to bother with mess
> > and spams for ages ( other solution is to unsubscribe, but I do
> > not really like this idea btw ).
>
> You sent this mail using Thunderbird. All you need to do is use
> Thunderbird and create a filter but instead of filtering by the
> typical subject:, from:, or to:, you're going to be filtering by
> what's actually in the mail header. In this case, the "List-Id:"
> which for debian-user is .
>
> I'm a Claws-Mail user but the ideas are basically the same. Create
> a new filter, in the drop down menu change it from subject to
> Header, then give it a value List-Id: then make your rule if the
> List-Id contains  move it wherever.
>
> Even though you don't see the mail headers for each mail your MUA
> (among other parts of mail systems) does and can act on them.

I have been struggling to see the problem in this thread.  I finally 
get it.  KMail does this and I have used it literally for years for 
all my mailing lists.  I hadn't realised that it was in any way 
special!

KMail-Trinity still does this without any problem.  I don't know about 
KMail in KDE4.

Lisi


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Re: feature request for this mailing list

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 14:27 -0600, Mr Queue wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:28:21 +0100
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> 
> > [snip]
> [snip]

Some people perhaps dislike to have a folder for everything, they
perhaps prefer to have just a few folders and prefer to take care about
the subject. For most mailing list it's common to have a
"[foo_bar_mailing_list]" addition at the beginning of the subject.

[D-community-offtopic] is added by
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic ,
perhaps a little bit too long, but a [deb user] or [deb general] or
[deb questions] for the international Debian user list IMO would be ok.

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A question about Aptitude interactive mode

There is, new to me, a new feature in Aptitude. Some time in the past
within the past 18 months, I lost the ability to adjust the colors on
the text display.  Now all I get is a white letters on a black
background.  I get this in both gnome-terminal and in Xfce terminal.
Both terminal emulators are configured to display black letters on
white back. In both, when I type the command, aptitude, the screen
flips, apparently as part of aptitude initialization. Where is this
behavior configured? I want to change it.

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2014-03-07 Thread Mr Queue

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:28:21 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

> Sounds like I'll have to ask to the admin of my mail account to 
> implement something to have some filters, or to bother with mess and 
> spams for ages ( other solution is to unsubscribe, but I do not
> really like this idea btw ).

You sent this mail using Thunderbird. All you need to do is use
Thunderbird and create a filter but instead of filtering by the typical
subject:, from:, or to:, you're going to be filtering by what's
actually in the mail header. In this case, the "List-Id:" which for
debian-user is .

I'm a Claws-Mail user but the ideas are basically the same. Create a new
filter, in the drop down menu change it from subject to Header, then
give it a value List-Id: then make your rule if the List-Id contains
 move it wherever.

Even though you don't see the mail headers for each mail your MUA
(among other parts of mail systems) does and can act on them.

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Re: questions about password safes

On 20140307_163327, André Nunes Batista wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:36 -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> > On 03/07/2014 12:33 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:05:00 -0500
> > > Dave Woyciesjes  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Dave,
> > >
> > >>  I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me;
> > >>  really I
> > >> just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross platform...
> > >
> > > How about a password protected .ods or .odt file?
> > >
> > Except I want encryption.
> 
> This thread seems unique. Started by a mutt user who can't do apt-cache

Of what use is apt-cache if I have no idea of the name of what I want?
I'm pretty sure that what I want isn't in Debian (yet), so not finding it
is interesting, but hardly definitive. The question is really an attempt
to establish the provenence of a possibly non-existant package. From my
point of view, it worked. 

Follow-up question: Has anyone used password-gorilla?
Is if better or worse than one of the keepass sequence?

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Re: Read-only rootfs on systemd [SOLVED]

2014-03-07 Thread Amit

Thanks for your help and the replies. So this issue is now resolved.

Summary of Issue:
Mounting root as read-only as documented in
(https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot) because rootfs is busy.

Summary of Solution:

 1. 'lsof +L1' showed cupsd getting stuck on /etc/passwd (deleted).
Looking at systemd journalctl, a custom service on this server was
creating users blindly on every startup due to a bug in the code logic
of this custom user management application. This caused /etc/passwd
to keep changing.

By fixing the bug, the /etc/passwd (deleted) was no longer an issue.

 2. After reading the debian wiki on ReadOnlyRoot, there is a section on
samba creating a file /etc/samba/dhcp.conf everytime dhclient was
called. This server has a dual ethernet port with one port not
plugged. As a result, dhclient kept trying to get a lease for this
eth1 port and thus samba kept creating that file in /etc and rootfs
was always busy.

Not sure how this issue was solved but by adding the following line
to /etc/fstab, I don't see the repeated dhclient messages anymore:

tmpfs   /tmptmpfs nodev,nosuid  0   0


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Re: questions about password safes


On 03/07/2014 02:33 PM, André Nunes Batista wrote:

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:36 -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:

On 03/07/2014 12:33 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:05:00 -0500
Dave Woyciesjes  wrote:

Hello Dave,


I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me;
really I
just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross platform...


How about a password protected .ods or .odt file?


Except I want encryption.


This thread seems unique. Started by a mutt user who can't do apt-cache
search, followed by a reply pointing to keepassx, followed by users in
need of a password safe which is portable and cross platform.

If you share with me your muttrc and fetchmailrc I'll teach you to

apt-get install keepassx

:)

	Wandering threads aren't all that unique. Happens frequently. But yes, 
you are correct. It is a little annoying  & I apologies for my 
contribution to the drift.
	As for installing - been there, done that. Confirmed working on Mac & 
Linux already. :)


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Re: questions about password safes

On 20140307_173105, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 09:56:40AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
> > safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
> > Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
> > "mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
> > software suitable modified to word with Debian. But ... I have never
> > installed anything from Sid before and I want some help/guidance. 
> 
> I'm not sure where you're getting this "mypasswordsafe.deb" package
> from. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mypasswordsafe reports
> no results. If you've downloaded the package from Mr Schneier's site
> then it's not "in sid" (it's not "in Debian" at all). That doesn't

I got it from browsing the https://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/
So, although it may not be in a Debian repository, it does display on
a Debian web site right not, today.
It seemed like it might be a false positive, and you confirmed that
it is, indeed, not what I'm looking for.

I haven't tried downloading anything from Scheier's site because I already
know he has turned over future maintenance and development to a group 
at source forge. The site I found is
http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/
They claim they are continuing his work. But for security stuff ...
I worry about whether I should trust them, given what we have learned
from the Snowden security breakage. 

Oh well. I hope that Debian will get in touch with the sourceforge
people and do some due-diligence before they package the product. 

> necessarily mean it won't work, though, just that you shouldn't expect
> support here (i.e Go pester Bruce if it breaks).
> 
> If you trust the package, you can try:
>   dpkg -i mypasswordsafe.deb
>   apt-get -f install
> 
> Though perhaps a saner way to manage that is to install the gdebi
> package (apt-get install gdebi, or gdebi-kde if you use KDE), then run
>   gdebi-gtk mypasswordsafe.deb
> 
> GDebi will tell you what packages the .deb depends on BEFORE it installs
> it. It will also tell you if those dependencies aren't satisfiable. (It
> might be that, if the package is compiled for Sid, it depends on
> libraries newer than you have, for example).
> 

Thankyou for the compliment of presuming I know what I'm doing. I doubt
very much that I could get gdebi and use it correctly without a lot of hand
holding. I don't want to do that. I'm not lazy. I just can't believe I
would be convinced of my answer, so why exercise people on such a project?

> > 
> > There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
> > backport line. 
> > Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
> > need?
> 
> No. Wheezy-Updates and Wheezy-Backports are different things.
> Wheezy-Updates is what used to be called "volatile": a small repository
> of packages which need to be updated frequently (virus signature
> updates, API changes etc). Wheezy-Backports is a more-or-less adhoc
> repository of newer packages compiled for stable. The apt-line for
> wheezy backports would be:
>   deb http://mirrors.geeks.com/debian wheezy-backports main

Thanks. That will go into my sources.list as soon as I finish this email 

> 
> > 

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:11 +, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:54:13 +0100
> Guy Marcenac  wrote:
> 
> > Le 07/03/2014 02:16, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have several friends, with Windows XP, who are now considering
> > > moving to Linux because of XP's impending stoppage of support.
> > > Normally, I'd
> > >
> > Hello,
> > I don't understand why the lack of support leads you to this huge
> > change for your buddies on these old machines.
> > Support or not they will continue to run, simply MS won't fix any
> > bug... Surely, there is something I did not understand about your
> > needs.
> 
> No, they will continue to run fine if kept isolated from any
> contamination via the Net, USB sticks, emails etc.
> 
> The point is that security holes won't be fixed. That would be of some
> concern to Linux users, but it's very serious for Windows users, the
> targets of nearly all malware. The marketing hype about 'new operating
> systems' is just that, and Windows 8 contains a great deal of 7, of
> Vista, of XP and probably earlier versions. I haven't checked 8, but
> Win 7 still contains Edlin, an early DOS text *line* editor.
> 
> So every month, the security advisories will come out, 'remote code
> execution' flaws will be announced which affect everything from Vista
> onwards, but they won't mention XP. The bad guys will be studying this
> information carefully, and will gain insight into problems which do
> also affect XP but the fixes for which won't be backported... it will
> be a bad time to be an Internet-connected XP user, and there will
> indeed still be a fair number of them. The AV people won't support XP,
> either.
> 
> So I'll be wiping XP off my old laptop (actually refitting the original
> 40GB drive, as the 120GB drive which has run for the last eight years
> is showing early signs of dementia) and running only Sid on it.

Depending to the needs, it might be useful to install Linux and to run
XP in a virtual machine. With VBox it's possible to run a Linux desktop
and a XP desktop seamlessly.

Take a look at the link:

http://picpaste.com/linux-jwm-and-windows-xp.png

The above panel is a Linux JWM panel and the below panel is the XP task
bar. XP does run as a guest in a Linux VBox. The upper right window is
the XP file browser and the left lower window is a Linux ROXTerm.

The picpaste link does expire in 7 days.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread André Nunes Batista

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:36 -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> On 03/07/2014 12:33 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:05:00 -0500
> > Dave Woyciesjes  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dave,
> >
> >>I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me;
> >>really I
> >> just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross platform...
> >
> > How about a password protected .ods or .odt file?
> >
>   Except I want encryption.

This thread seems unique. Started by a mutt user who can't do apt-cache
search, followed by a reply pointing to keepassx, followed by users in
need of a password safe which is portable and cross platform. 

If you share with me your muttrc and fetchmailrc I'll teach you to 

apt-get install keepassx

:)

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Samba 4

2014-03-07 Thread Shane Johnson

I have been working on this for 3 days now and need some assistance please.


Somewhere, I am running into a disconnect between documentations.  I have
used the resources on wiki.samba.org to try and set up just a simple file
share.  I don't  need it to be a PDC or a BDC or do printer shares.  I have
also tried google and the references I could find there and still am stuck.
 All the Debian info I can find relates to Samba3.  Therefore, If anyone
know how to do this or can point me to a reference that they know works
that would be greatly appreciated.

I am running Jessie-amd64 and trying to set up just a file share.  I want
it to authenticate against my domain controller ( Member server )  about
half the commands from the samba wiki say no such program and I have joined
the server to the domain but can't do anything beyond that.   I have
installed samba4 from the repositories.  I guess my next step would be to
compile from source if I can't get the programs from the repositories to
work.

Please help.

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Re: questions about password safes


On 03/07/2014 12:11 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:

Paul E Condon wrote, On 03/07/2014 11:56 AM:


If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.


I've been using KeePassX for a long time:

$ sudo apt-get install keepassx


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P.S. I once tried installing keepass2 instead, but its user interface
didn't look as good, and it wouldn't read my "pass.kdb" file.  There's a
way to import the old kdb file to a kdbx file, but I didn't bother
because KeePassX looked better on screen anyway.




Thanks all. Looks like KeePassX would do the trick.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:54:13 +0100
Guy Marcenac  wrote:

> Le 07/03/2014 02:16, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have several friends, with Windows XP, who are now considering
> > moving to Linux because of XP's impending stoppage of support.
> > Normally, I'd
> >
> Hello,
> I don't understand why the lack of support leads you to this huge
> change for your buddies on these old machines.
> Support or not they will continue to run, simply MS won't fix any
> bug... Surely, there is something I did not understand about your
> needs.

No, they will continue to run fine if kept isolated from any
contamination via the Net, USB sticks, emails etc.

The point is that security holes won't be fixed. That would be of some
concern to Linux users, but it's very serious for Windows users, the
targets of nearly all malware. The marketing hype about 'new operating
systems' is just that, and Windows 8 contains a great deal of 7, of
Vista, of XP and probably earlier versions. I haven't checked 8, but
Win 7 still contains Edlin, an early DOS text *line* editor.

So every month, the security advisories will come out, 'remote code
execution' flaws will be announced which affect everything from Vista
onwards, but they won't mention XP. The bad guys will be studying this
information carefully, and will gain insight into problems which do
also affect XP but the fixes for which won't be backported... it will
be a bad time to be an Internet-connected XP user, and there will
indeed still be a fair number of them. The AV people won't support XP,
either.

So I'll be wiping XP off my old laptop (actually refitting the original
40GB drive, as the 120GB drive which has run for the last eight years
is showing early signs of dementia) and running only Sid on it.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 18:54 +0100, Guy Marcenac wrote:
> Le 07/03/2014 02:16, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have several friends, with Windows XP, who are now considering moving
> > to Linux because of XP's impending stoppage of support. Normally, I'd
> >
> Hello,
> I don't understand why the lack of support leads you to this huge change
> for your buddies on these old machines.
> Support or not they will continue to run, simply MS won't fix any bug...
> Surely, there is something I did not understand about your needs.

Security updates for lets say Internet Explorer :D.



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Re: Read-only rootfs on systemd

2014-03-07 Thread Brian

On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 23:05:20 +, Amit wrote:

>  0) After reboot and running 'lsof +L1':
> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NLINK   NODE NAME
> cupsd935 root8r   REG8,1 1392 0 132095 
> /etc/passwd (deleted)

I upgraded my wheezy install to jessie and cannot reproduce this.

>  1) Shutting down cups:
> sudo service cups stop
> 
> No /etc/passwd in 'lsof +L1' output
> 
>  2) Starting cups:
> $ sudo /etc/init.d/cups start
> [ ok ] Starting cups (via systemctl): cups.service.
> 
>  3) No /etc/passwd in 'lsof +L1' output

It would appear to be relevant to investigate why starting cups at
boottime produces a different outcome. It might also be worthwhile
using another init system to determine whether 'lsof +L1' gives the
same as above.

>  4) fuser output shows cupsd process using /etc/passwd but no output in lsof
> showing '(deleted)'.

I get that.


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Re: unable to renew ip

On 07/03/2014 11:37, Lina wrote:
> 
>> On 8 Mar, 2014, at 12:13 am, Dan Purgert  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07/03/2014 09:49, lina wrote:
 On Friday 07,March,2014 10:35 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
 [...]
>>> 
>>> 
> I received that two emails last month. It is more like re-sent. I sent an SMS 
> to her to check whether she was aware of it. The school use the Microsoft 
> office 365. Seems. 
> 

OK, then it's probably a mail-server somewhere (your university's, your
friend's ISP, whatever) re-sending it.  No big deal there.

>> 
>> [...]
> 
> Thanks. Tonight I also notice my apache2 is running, which I once 
> specifically set it NOT to start during reboot. And I didn't notice it was 
> running until tonight and I don't think it was running until tonight. One of 
> our server was hacked months ago with root password being compromised. We 
> didn't realize it until one day the IT service center blocked it due to heavy 
> network load. I feel annoyed by myself cause of lacking knowledge about 
> what's going on. 
> I will try ClamAV and your other suggestions tomorrow. Thanks with best 
> regards, lina

Could be something trying to get at the "websites" you're hosting (even
if there's nothing).  Real quick and easy test for this is to stop
apache, and see if things improve.

-Dan


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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

Hi

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 12:05:00PM -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> On 03/07/2014 11:56 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
> >safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
> >Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
> >"mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
> >software suitable modified to word with Debian. But ... I have never
> >installed anything from Sid before and I want some help/guidance.
> >
> >There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
> >backport line.
> >Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
> >need?
> >
> >If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
> >is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
> >someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.
> >
> >TIA
> >
>   Speaking of password safes, keychains, etc... What I would like to
> know is: is there an option that will work on Windows, OSX, and
> Linux? Something where I can keep it on a USB flash drive?

keepassx ?  Combined with dropbox (only keep the encrypted version in
dropbox).

This seems to work across windows, osx and linux

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Re: X key bindings don't work on new system

2014-03-07 Thread Joel Roth

Carl Johnson wrote:
> Joel Roth  writes:
> > my xmodmap commands for remapping
> > the CAPS key to behave as CTRL (in .xinitrc) work in my
> > usual system, but have no effect on this newly installed
> > system. Both systems are running an up-to-date sid, 
> > and I've copied over my .bashrc.
> >
> > Any ideas where I should be looking?
> >
> > # .xinitrc
> > #
> > #!/bin/sh
> > # remap CAPSLOCK to be CTRL
> >
> > rxvt -e screen -D -r
> > xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Control_L'
> > xmodmap -e 'clear Lock'
> > xmodmap -e 'add Control = Control_L'
> > xset b off# this suppresses beep
> > setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp # this works, too
> > exec /usr/bin/i3
> 
> I handle the control with this command:
> setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps
> You should be able to combine it with your other as:
> setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

Thanks Carl, Andrei, Siard and Morel,

The above incantation from Carl works fine on
my usual system.

I wasn't able to test the Epia system. Since posting,
the hardware has gone south :-( There is a long beep
series at power on. A pair of bulging, leaking
electrolytic capacitors on the board suggests the reason.)

To summarize the other replies:

Morel suggested studying .bashrc and checking the scan codes of the keyboard
with xev. I had used something else (I forget), and found that
Caps key works fine (on two different keyboards.)

Siard notes that the setxkbmap command undoes all xmodmap
settings, and should therefore be placed before them. 
I didn't verify this, since the setxkbmap commands replace
the xmodmap commands I'd been using.

Andrei pointed to 'man xkeyboard-config' as the source
for options such as ctrl:nocaps terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

Thanks to all for your generous help!

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Guy Marcenac

Le 07/03/2014 02:16, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I have several friends, with Windows XP, who are now considering moving
> to Linux because of XP's impending stoppage of support. Normally, I'd
>
Hello,
I don't understand why the lack of support leads you to this huge change
for your buddies on these old machines.
Support or not they will continue to run, simply MS won't fix any bug...
Surely, there is something I did not understand about your needs.
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Re: questions about password safes


On 03/07/2014 12:33 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:05:00 -0500
Dave Woyciesjes  wrote:

Hello Dave,


I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me;
really I
just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross platform...


How about a password protected .ods or .odt file?


Except I want encryption.

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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Brad Rogers

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:05:00 -0500
Dave Woyciesjes  wrote:

Hello Dave,

>   I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me;
>   really I 
>just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross platform...

How about a password protected .ods or .odt file?

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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Darac Marjal

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 09:56:40AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
> safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
> Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
> "mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
> software suitable modified to word with Debian. But ... I have never
> installed anything from Sid before and I want some help/guidance. 

I'm not sure where you're getting this "mypasswordsafe.deb" package
from. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mypasswordsafe reports
no results. If you've downloaded the package from Mr Schneier's site
then it's not "in sid" (it's not "in Debian" at all). That doesn't
necessarily mean it won't work, though, just that you shouldn't expect
support here (i.e Go pester Bruce if it breaks).

If you trust the package, you can try:
  dpkg -i mypasswordsafe.deb
  apt-get -f install

Though perhaps a saner way to manage that is to install the gdebi
package (apt-get install gdebi, or gdebi-kde if you use KDE), then run
  gdebi-gtk mypasswordsafe.deb

GDebi will tell you what packages the .deb depends on BEFORE it installs
it. It will also tell you if those dependencies aren't satisfiable. (It
might be that, if the package is compiled for Sid, it depends on
libraries newer than you have, for example).

> 
> There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
> backport line. 
> Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
> need?

No. Wheezy-Updates and Wheezy-Backports are different things.
Wheezy-Updates is what used to be called "volatile": a small repository
of packages which need to be updated frequently (virus signature
updates, API changes etc). Wheezy-Backports is a more-or-less adhoc
repository of newer packages compiled for stable. The apt-line for
wheezy backports would be:
  deb http://mirrors.geeks.com/debian wheezy-backports main

> 
> If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
> is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
> someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.
> 
> TIA
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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Patrick Chkoreff

Paul E Condon wrote, On 03/07/2014 11:56 AM:

> If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
> is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
> someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.

I've been using KeePassX for a long time:

$ sudo apt-get install keepassx


-- Patrick

P.S. I once tried installing keepass2 instead, but its user interface
didn't look as good, and it wouldn't read my "pass.kdb" file.  There's a
way to import the old kdb file to a kdbx file, but I didn't bother
because KeePassX looked better on screen anyway.


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Re: questions about password safes

On 20140307_120500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> On 03/07/2014 11:56 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
> >safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
> >Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
> >"mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
> >software suitable modified to word with Debian. But ... I have never
> >installed anything from Sid before and I want some help/guidance.
> >
> >There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
> >backport line.
> >Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
> >need?
> >
> >If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
> >is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
> >someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.
> >
> >TIA
> >
>   Speaking of password safes, keychains, etc... What I would like to
> know is: is there an option that will work on Windows, OSX, and
> Linux? Something where I can keep it on a USB flash drive?
>   I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me; really
> I just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross
> platform...

I think there is, namely Schneier's Password Safe, as described at
http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/

> 
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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:19:32 -0500
"Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com"  wrote:

>
> 
> I think Joe's point was that journalists run Windows with all sorts of
> creeping crud programs running, and evaluate it that way.
> 

Well, two points, first that the writers of articles outside the
specialist press aren't generally very knowledgeable about IT, and
second that Vista really does leave exactly zero RAM free, or at least
it has every time I've looked, and I still use a Vista machine
occasionally.

Other OSes use nearly all RAM, but with a bit spare to respond quickly
to the user, and generally all you have to do to recover RAM from
cached data is to mark it uncached, whereas shutting down an
application takes much longer.

I do know that once it has been running for a few minutes, Vista takes
forever to create a blank Word document or start up an (unexpected and
uncached) application, and Win 7 is much better, while still being
pretty clearly just a facelifted version of Vista. I think the
developers just had time to sort out their scheduling and RAM usage
properly, or at least better.

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Re: questions about password safes

2014-03-07 Thread Brad Rogers

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:56:40 -0700
Paul E Condon  wrote:

Hello Paul,

>I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
>safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
>Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
>"mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's

It's a package that is only available for m68k architecture, only in
Sid, and dates from 2005.  Further, it's not a package of Shneier's
work, but that of Semantic Gap Solutions.  Web page at
http://www.semanticgap.com/myps/

>There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
>backport line. 
>Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
>need?

I believe you need this;

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main

Not that it will help with your quest.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Reco

 Hi.

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 00:04:48 +1300
Chris Bannister  wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Linux also use all available
> memory?

No. Linux will keep unused amount of memory equal to (in kbytes):
/proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes

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Re: questions about password safes


On 03/07/2014 11:56 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:

I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
"mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
software suitable modified to word with Debian. But ... I have never
installed anything from Sid before and I want some help/guidance.

There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
backport line.
Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
need?

If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.

TIA

	Speaking of password safes, keychains, etc... What I would like to know 
is: is there an option that will work on Windows, OSX, and Linux? 
Something where I can keep it on a USB flash drive?
	I'm not looking for something to insert the passsword for me; really I 
just want a well encrypted "document"/diary that is cross platform...


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questions about password safes

I run Wheezy, desktop Xfce. I want to start using a password
safe. I've done some searching on the Web and would like to use Bruce
Schneier's "Password Safe". There is a package in Sid by the name
"mypasswordsafe.deb". I hope that this is a version of Schneier's
software suitable modified to word with Debian. But ... I have never
installed anything from Sid before and I want some help/guidance. 

There doesn't seem to be a back-port, but I may not have the right
backport line. 
Is "deb http://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main " what I
need?

If, yes, I can conclude that a backport is not yet available.  If it
is not yet available, is there some other password safe software that
someone will suggest for use while I wait for what I really want.

TIA
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Re: unable to renew ip

2014-03-07 Thread Lina


> On 8 Mar, 2014, at 12:13 am, Dan Purgert  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/03/2014 09:49, lina wrote:
>>> On Friday 07,March,2014 10:35 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> [...]
>> 
>> Something really weird, my icedove, 6 hours ago popped up an email which
>> was 2 months ago as unread, couple of mins ago, it also popped up
>> another email as unread also from that thread, the same person with
>> yahoo address.
> 
> If it's email (e.g. from some...@yahoo.com to y...@uni.edu), then it
> could be that your email server lost it, or had it accidentally
> replicated because they had to restore something unrelated from a backup.

I received that two emails last month. It is more like re-sent. I sent an SMS 
to her to check whether she was aware of it. The school use the Microsoft 
office 365. Seems. 

> 
> Alternatively, it could be the other person's mail client (TB, Outlook,
> whatever) was finally able to send the message.  If you're familiar with
> reading mail headers, you can dig up the date that the thing was
> actually transmitted.
> 
>> I asked my another colleague and was suggested to do the virus check.
>> right now I am checking which package can be used to scan the virus.
> You can try ClamAV.  I think it's part of the main Debian repos.

Thanks. Tonight I also notice my apache2 is running, which I once specifically 
set it NOT to start during reboot. And I didn't notice it was running until 
tonight and I don't think it was running until tonight. One of our server was 
hacked months ago with root password being compromised. We didn't realize it 
until one day the IT service center blocked it due to heavy network load. I 
feel annoyed by myself cause of lacking knowledge about what's going on. 
I will try ClamAV and your other suggestions tomorrow. Thanks with best 
regards, lina

>> 
>> # ethtool eth0 | grep Speed
>>Speed: 100Mb/sun
> 
> OK, so your link between you and the next higher up device is 100Mb/sec.
> 
> What this means is that you have a solid connection between your PC and
> the next device in your network, and sending stuff to THAT device will
> travel as fast as possible, up to 100Mb/s (on paper -- reality is
> different, but no matter).
> 
> 
> A couple of tests that you can try out to try sorting the problem
> further would be to move stuff locally (e.g. you and another tech-savvy
> friend transfer a Debian ISO between the two computers) and see if the
> throughput stays consistent.  Assuming you live in the dorms, the ideal
> test would be between two that are pretty far apart (e.g. on opposite
> sides of a courtyard/quad) so that you can traverse more network segments.
> 
> You can also run traceroute to check how many hops it takes to get
> somewhere, and how responsive each hop is (e.g. from me to google it's
> 17 right now, with most hops taking 20-30 ms ... but there are two that
> are really bad -- one's 50ms and the other was 110).  Most of the time
> you'll see things are fast, but if you check and see something that's
> taking 500ms to respond, it could be a problem.  NOTE -- not all devices
> will be under the control of your network guys ... but you'll generally
> be able to see where the "inside" hits the "outside" because it'll go
> from 172.21.x.x to something else (e.g. 10.x.x.x).
> 
> If you want to get to the real low-end stuff and dig out things, you can
> try wireshark ... but it's got a bit of a learning curve...
> 
> -Dan
> 
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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Go Linux

On Fri, 3/7/14, Chris Bannister  wrote:
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Linux also use all
 available
 memory?
 


I have never seen my machine use all available RAM (4 gigs) . . . not ever.  
Just checked and now using 25% RAM and no swap.  Have two audacity/avidumux 
projects and several browser windows open.


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Re: unable to renew ip

On 07/03/2014 09:49, lina wrote:
> On Friday 07,March,2014 10:35 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> [...]
> 
> Something really weird, my icedove, 6 hours ago popped up an email which
> was 2 months ago as unread, couple of mins ago, it also popped up
> another email as unread also from that thread, the same person with
> yahoo address.
> 

If it's email (e.g. from some...@yahoo.com to y...@uni.edu), then it
could be that your email server lost it, or had it accidentally
replicated because they had to restore something unrelated from a backup.

Alternatively, it could be the other person's mail client (TB, Outlook,
whatever) was finally able to send the message.  If you're familiar with
reading mail headers, you can dig up the date that the thing was
actually transmitted.

> I asked my another colleague and was suggested to do the virus check.
> right now I am checking which package can be used to scan the virus.
>
You can try ClamAV.  I think it's part of the main Debian repos.

>> 
>> You can check how fast your connection is by running the command
>> "ethtool eth0 | grep Speed" (sans quotes).  This will tell you the link
>> speed between you and the next hop (switch or router).  Most networks
>> should show 100Mb/s, though you could possibly also see 10 or 1000,
>> depending on
> 
> # ethtool eth0 | grep Speed
>   Speed: 100Mb/s
> 

OK, so your link between you and the next higher up device is 100Mb/sec.

What this means is that you have a solid connection between your PC and
the next device in your network, and sending stuff to THAT device will
travel as fast as possible, up to 100Mb/s (on paper -- reality is
different, but no matter).

A couple of tests that you can try out to try sorting the problem
further would be to move stuff locally (e.g. you and another tech-savvy
friend transfer a Debian ISO between the two computers) and see if the
throughput stays consistent.  Assuming you live in the dorms, the ideal
test would be between two that are pretty far apart (e.g. on opposite
sides of a courtyard/quad) so that you can traverse more network segments.

You can also run traceroute to check how many hops it takes to get
somewhere, and how responsive each hop is (e.g. from me to google it's
17 right now, with most hops taking 20-30 ms ... but there are two that
are really bad -- one's 50ms and the other was 110).  Most of the time
you'll see things are fast, but if you check and see something that's
taking 500ms to respond, it could be a problem.  NOTE -- not all devices
will be under the control of your network guys ... but you'll generally
be able to see where the "inside" hits the "outside" because it'll go
from 172.21.x.x to something else (e.g. 10.x.x.x).

If you want to get to the real low-end stuff and dig out things, you can
try wireshark ... but it's got a bit of a learning curve...

-Dan

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Re: X key bindings don't work on new system

2014-03-07 Thread Siard

Joel Roth wrote:
> # remap CAPSLOCK to be CTRL
> 
> rxvt -e screen -D -r
> xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Control_L'
> xmodmap -e 'clear Lock'
> xmodmap -e 'add Control = Control_L'
> xset b off# this suppresses beep
> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp # this works, too
> exec /usr/bin/i3

My findings are that the setxkbmap command undoes all xmodmap settings.
So an option would be to put this command at the beginning.


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Re: I mistakenly installed 32 bit Debian. How can I ensure that I'm installing 64 bit?

2014-03-07 Thread Patrick Chkoreff

Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote, On 03/07/2014 09:06 AM:

> So Patrick, Jonathan's right: Don't be afraid to ask any questions.
> Ignore any useless answers.

Yes, the pithy answer to my original question is:

  When you boot from the Debian CD, chose the 64-bit option.
  Don't just press Enter on the top "Install" option.  That will
  give you a 32 bit install.

And the lesson learned is:

  Pay attention to the menus, even if you are in a hurry because
  you have serious work to do, and TWO of your machines are going
  pear-shaped on you, losing functionality in Gnome, and losing
  fonts in Terminal.  STILL look at the menus.

I've been using some flavor of Unix since 1981, though I haven't
practiced installation nearly enough.  I'm doing a lot of that these
days, and I'm documenting all the things I need to do to re-create my
entire environment, including all sorts of personal notes such as:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install gecko-mediaplayer
$ sudo apt-get install openssh-server
$ cd .ssh
$ scp laptop:.ssh/id_rsa .
$ scp laptop:.ssh/id_rsa.pub .
$ cat id_rsa.pub >>authorized_keys
$ cd
$ sudo apt-get install keychain
$ scp laptop:.bash_aliases .
$ scp laptop:.exrc .
$ sudo apt-get install vim  # the version with syntax highlighting
$ sudo apt-get install rsync
$ rsync -avz laptop:.gnupg .
$ sudo apt-get install icedove
$ rsync -avz laptop:.icedove .
$ rsync -avz --delete laptop:.mozilla .
$ rsync -avz laptop:.purple .
# ... install gcc, extra perl modules, etc. etc.

Also little details like on the laptop having to add "non-free" to
/etc/apt/sources.lst and then:

$ sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi

Once I get all this down to a science I may post my exact steps on my
web site.


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P.S. One of these days I need to try building the entire kernel, OS, and
all packages from source code.  :)


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Re: unable to renew ip

On Friday 07,March,2014 10:35 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> You're still on a (largeish, based on the Class-B network range) network
> -- you at a university?

Yes.

> 
> Just because _you_ aren't the one using those services doesn't mean that
> someone else is not, and subsequently messing up your throughput.

Right now my network chocked there, after I switch the MAC and get a new
IP, it works again.

Something really weird, my icedove, 6 hours ago popped up an email which
was 2 months ago as unread, couple of mins ago, it also popped up
another email as unread also from that thread, the same person with
yahoo address.

I asked my another colleague and was suggested to do the virus check.
right now I am checking which package can be used to scan the virus.

> 
> You can check how fast your connection is by running the command
> "ethtool eth0 | grep Speed" (sans quotes).  This will tell you the link
> speed between you and the next hop (switch or router).  Most networks
> should show 100Mb/s, though you could possibly also see 10 or 1000,
> depending on

# ethtool eth0 | grep Speed
Speed: 100Mb/s


> 
> A. your PC's eth0 interface (10/100 or 10/100/1000)
> B. The router/switch you're connected to (10/100 or 10/100/1000)
> C. Physical layer problems (e.g. a bad connection, forcing 10Mb/s
>no matter what the capabilities are)
> D. Rules set by your network admin the switch (e.g. hard limited to
>10Mb/s, no matter device capabilities)
> 
> 
>> > 
>> > 
>>> >> 
>>> >> (WAN)
>>> >>  - ISP has over-sold the loop (generally cable)
>>> >>  - ISP has over-sold the backhaul (DSL, fiber)
>>> >>  - ISP fscked up your modem's provisioning, and you're on (e.g.) 10/1
>>> >>when you should be on 50/5 (etc.)
>> > 
>> > Actually my wireless works well since it was allocated different ip at
>> > that time.
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>> > 
>> > Thanks,
>> > 
>> > 
> "WAN" means "Wide Area Network".  It's not your Wireless (WLAN)

I know very little about network, thanks, Please kindly notice that my
laptop has been surviving well in the past few years. Just recent couple
of days a bit weird.

> connection; but rather the ISP's connection to your home/office/university.
> 
> You're still missing the point though -- IP address has no direct
> correlation to allocated bandwidth, unless:
> 
> 1. Someone used an IP address reference instead of MAC address to limit
>available bandwidth to a device.
> 2. You're on the wrong VLAN (IP 1.2.3.4 is on the guest/throttled
>network)
> 
> 


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Re: unable to renew ip

On 07/03/2014 09:12, lina wrote:
>> 
>> Your IP address should have no effect on your connection speed (i.e.
>> getting a new one won't help you any).  You have to find out what's
>> causing your connection's throughput to be slow.
> 
> After changing IP, I don't need to wait a hellish time to open a webpage.
> 
> At first I even suspected it's due to the updating of the gnutls, but
> later I realized this low-speed happened 8 hrs later after updating.

OK, so it probably has nothing to do with the update.

> 
>> 
>> Some possibilities:
>> 
>> (LAN)
>>  - Other things using the network (torrents, youtube, VoIP, etc)
>>  - QoS limiting what you're trying to do (torrents, youtube) in favor
>>of something else (VoIP)
>>  - Router can't cope with the above
>>  - you've been hard-limited (on the router) to 10 mbit (or 100 mbit),
>>and you were on gbit.
> 
> I don't use torrents, VoIP. I don't think I have some hard-limit.

You're still on a (largeish, based on the Class-B network range) network
-- you at a university?

Just because _you_ aren't the one using those services doesn't mean that
someone else is not, and subsequently messing up your throughput.

You can check how fast your connection is by running the command
"ethtool eth0 | grep Speed" (sans quotes).  This will tell you the link
speed between you and the next hop (switch or router).  Most networks
should show 100Mb/s, though you could possibly also see 10 or 1000,
depending on

A. your PC's eth0 interface (10/100 or 10/100/1000)
B. The router/switch you're connected to (10/100 or 10/100/1000)
C. Physical layer problems (e.g. a bad connection, forcing 10Mb/s
   no matter what the capabilities are)
D. Rules set by your network admin the switch (e.g. hard limited to
   10Mb/s, no matter device capabilities)

> 
> 
>> 
>> (WAN)
>>  - ISP has over-sold the loop (generally cable)
>>  - ISP has over-sold the backhaul (DSL, fiber)
>>  - ISP fscked up your modem's provisioning, and you're on (e.g.) 10/1
>>when you should be on 50/5 (etc.)
> 
> Actually my wireless works well since it was allocated different ip at
> that time.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 

"WAN" means "Wide Area Network".  It's not your Wireless (WLAN)
connection; but rather the ISP's connection to your home/office/university.

You're still missing the point though -- IP address has no direct
correlation to allocated bandwidth, unless:

1. Someone used an IP address reference instead of MAC address to limit
   available bandwidth to a device.
2. You're on the wrong VLAN (IP 1.2.3.4 is on the guest/throttled
   network)

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Re: I mistakenly installed 32 bit Debian. How can I ensure that I'm installing 64 bit?

On Friday 07 March 2014 14:06:54 Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com 
wrote:
> So Patrick, Jonathan's right: Don't be afraid to ask any questions.
> Ignore any useless answers.

I was told, when I was a genuine newbie ( as opposed to a perennial 
one) and apologising for asking  terribly rudimentary questions:  
There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. :-)

Lisi

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 00:04:48 +1300
Chris Bannister  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 08:47:27AM +, Joe wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 01:28:11 -0500
> > "Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com"  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > What followed XP was Vista, and who would do that to themselves.
> > > In my opinion (not that I'm an expert on Windows), Windows 7
> > > wasn't much better. And Windows 8 is a confusing mess. I wouldn't
> > > upgrade from XP either, unless it was to Linux or BSD.
> > 
> > In the interests of balance, most people get their ideas about new
> > Windows versions from 'journalists'. Vista has its problems, the
> > main one being its insistence on running with zero free memory,
> > filling the machine with anything it thinks you might want to use,
> > and therefore being slow to open new documents. Windows 7 is
> > enormously better and quicker, Vista was effectively a beta Windows
> > 7, released before it was ready.
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Linux also use all available
> memory?

Depends. I have huge RAM in some machines, so it doesn't unless I'm
working the machine hard. But mostly it does. For instance, my 4GB RAM
desktop I'm working with right now looks like this:

4038752 total,  3512564 used,   526188 free,

So it's using almost 90% of my RAM.

I think Joe's point was that journalists run Windows with all sorts of
creeping crud programs running, and evaluate it that way.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: unable to renew ip

On Friday 07,March,2014 10:10 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 07:42, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 07/03/14 13:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2014 06:35, lina wrote:
 Hi,

 [...]
>>>
>>> Not sure how/why Jerome decided that the DHCP server is a windows box
>>> though.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, it was meant to be a private email (sorry):
>> I know the place, the environment is a windows one;
>> and I experienced a lot of unexpected behaviour with 
>> the local DHCP server.
> 
> 
> Fair enough.
> 
> DHCP (and IP addresses) aren't the cause of the problem.  Sounds more
> like the problem is network congestion / flooding ...
> 
> 

I asked two of my colleagues, there connections were fine. I even asked
our admin coming, he left me an email address to ask another person
which I didn't.
This cable worked fine on other computers.


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Re: I mistakenly installed 32 bit Debian. How can I ensure that I'm installing 64 bit?

2014-03-07 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 11:22:58 +0200
Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

> On Vi, 07 mar 14, 08:05:21, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On 06/03/2014 22:07, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
> > > I'll try to keep the noise down
> > > henceforth, and aim to help others as I develop more expertise.
> > 
> > Don't be afraid to ask any questions. Ignore any useless answers.
> 
> I'd rather recommend:
> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Yes, and especially this section of that document, with emphasis on the
first point of the section:

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp54197360

Which I think was Jonathan's point.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: unable to renew ip

> 
> Your IP address should have no effect on your connection speed (i.e.
> getting a new one won't help you any).  You have to find out what's
> causing your connection's throughput to be slow.

After changing IP, I don't need to wait a hellish time to open a webpage.

At first I even suspected it's due to the updating of the gnutls, but
later I realized this low-speed happened 8 hrs later after updating.

> 
> Some possibilities:
> 
> (LAN)
>  - Other things using the network (torrents, youtube, VoIP, etc)
>  - QoS limiting what you're trying to do (torrents, youtube) in favor
>of something else (VoIP)
>  - Router can't cope with the above
>  - you've been hard-limited (on the router) to 10 mbit (or 100 mbit),
>and you were on gbit.

I don't use torrents, VoIP. I don't think I have some hard-limit.


> 
> (WAN)
>  - ISP has over-sold the loop (generally cable)
>  - ISP has over-sold the backhaul (DSL, fiber)
>  - ISP fscked up your modem's provisioning, and you're on (e.g.) 10/1
>when you should be on 50/5 (etc.)

Actually my wireless works well since it was allocated different ip at
that time.
> 
> 

Thanks,


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Re: unable to renew ip

On 07/03/2014 07:42, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 07/03/14 13:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> On 07/03/2014 06:35, lina wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> [...]
>> 
>> Not sure how/why Jerome decided that the DHCP server is a windows box
>> though.
> 
> As a matter of fact, it was meant to be a private email (sorry):
> I know the place, the environment is a windows one;
> and I experienced a lot of unexpected behaviour with 
> the local DHCP server.


Fair enough.

DHCP (and IP addresses) aren't the cause of the problem.  Sounds more
like the problem is network congestion / flooding ...


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Re: I mistakenly installed 32 bit Debian. How can I ensure that I'm installing 64 bit?

2014-03-07 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 08:05:21 +
Jonathan Dowland  wrote:

> On 06/03/2014 22:07, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
> > I'll try to keep the noise down
> > henceforth, and aim to help others as I develop more expertise.
> 
> Don't be afraid to ask any questions. Ignore any useless answers.

+1

You know, there's an IRC channel called #html, where two people jump on
90% of the questions with one of these two responses:

1) That's offtopic
2) You're an idiot

Of course, they have a basket full of interesting ways to say #2.

Needless to say, almost no technical information gets transferred in
that channel.

So Patrick, Jonathan's right: Don't be afraid to ask any questions.
Ignore any useless answers.

SteveT

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Re: unable to renew ip

On Friday 07,March,2014 08:14 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> It is not up to you to assign the IP address, but to the DH server.
> Your MAC address is there buffer.
> The local DH server is window$. what renders thing harder.
> You can try to remove your MAC from their memory by no connecting for a while
> (days, weeks ?).
> You can also try to send a fake MAC address to the DH server.
> 
> 

I use `ifconfigure etho hw ether some-made-up-mac-address` and then
remove all in /var/lib/dhcp/. It works. Even the network get connected
faster. Is it possible that someone who shared the same IP with me earlier?


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Re: recompile 3rd party modules before reboot?




Le 06.03.2014 19:13, Dexter Filmore a écrit :
I use deb7 as a media center base (DVB-S2-PVR with TVheadend and 
xbmc), but
the DVB-S2 module (Technotrend TT-connect S2-3600) needs the tvlinux 
modules

in order to not have the kernel scream and die when talked to.
Now, each time the kernel gets an upgrade I:
-disable tvheadend
-reboot
-recomplie linuxtv drivers
-reboot again
-set tvheadend to autostart and start it manually for this time.

Now, a lot nicer would be to compile linuxtv before rebooting, but 
how do I

point it at the new kernel?

Dex


Some other ways to explore than the ones which have already been 
suggested:


_ add a script into /etc/rc6.d, which is the runlevel dedicated to 
reboot: https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel
_ if you are a bash user, is to write a ~/.bash_logout file. Of course, 
it won't have root's rights, except if you login with root.



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Re: X key bindings don't work on new system




Le 06.03.2014 23:34, Joel Roth a écrit :

Hi list,

I've dusted off an old, fanless computer with an Epia
(Via) main board, and installed sid.

One thing I notice is that my xmodmap commands for remapping
the CAPS key to behave as CTRL (in .xinitrc) work in my
usual system, but have no effect on this newly installed
system. Both systems are running an up-to-date sid,
and I've copied over my .bashrc.

Any ideas where I should be looking?

# .xinitrc
#
#!/bin/sh
# remap CAPSLOCK to be CTRL

rxvt -e screen -D -r
xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Control_L'
xmodmap -e 'clear Lock'
xmodmap -e 'add Control = Control_L'
xset b off# this suppresses beep
setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp # this works, too
exec /usr/bin/i3

kind regards,

Joel

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Maybe something prevent .bashrc to be read, bash startup configuration 
system is so messy that I would not be surprised if you have another 
file somewhere else which prevent .bashrc to be read, or that reverse 
the change you've done.

So, what does give you xev when you hit the CAPS key?


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Re: Here's how to make yourself happier OT in re systemd




Le 06.03.2014 19:17, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :

On Jo, 06 mar 14, 10:54:04, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

[...] I think that it's easy enough to disable/enable
a particular daemon, since we only need to change a file name and
run #update-rc.d

Re: feature request for this mailing list

Le 06.03.2014 23:36, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :

On Jo, 06 mar 14, 19:27:37, Brian wrote:
On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 11:01:51 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org 
wrote:

> As I am starting to subscribe to various mailing lists, I have
> noticed that some uses a kind of tag in subjects. Obviously, it is
> added by the ml-engine, not by users.

You've missed the tenth aniversary :)

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/02/msg02422.html

See also:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316047

Kind regards,
Andrei

Ok, I see. Well, asking did not cost a lot, and now I know that it will 
not be made to avoid "bloating" subject field.
Sounds like I'll have to ask to the admin of my mail account to 
implement something to have some filters, or to bother with mess and 
spams for ages ( other solution is to unsubscribe, but I do not really 
like this idea btw ).

Anyway, it's interesting to see that people asks for it repeatedly.

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Re: Can't parse interface line '#015'

2014-03-07 Thread Slavko

Ahoj,

Dňa Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:59:46 +0800 lina 
napísal:

> Hi,
> 
> >From syslog, it shows me:
> 
> Mar  6 10:47:05 debian NetworkManager[6729]: Error: Can't parse
> interface line '#015'
> 
> # cat -n interfaces
>  1# This file describes the network interfaces available
> on your system 2  # and how to activate them. For more
> information, see interfaces(5). 3 
>  4# The loopback network interface
>  5auto lo
>  6iface lo inet loopback
>  7iface eth0 inet dhcp
>  8dns-nameservers xxx.xx.5.7 xxx.xx.5.225
>  9dns-search example.com
> 10
> 11# The primary network interface
> 12allow-hotplug eth0
> 13iface eth0 inet dhcp

Missing last empty line (14)?

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Re: Brand new install, now how do I play a Youtube video?

2014-03-07 Thread Patrick Chkoreff

Patrick wrote:

>> I'm using the IceWeasel browser, but I can't play a Youtube video.  I
>> don't want to install Flash because I just cannot stand Adobe.
>>
>> I searched around and found this:
>>
>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=51504
>>
>> I did what they said there, namely:
>>
>> $ sudo apt-get install gecko-mediaplayer iceweasel-greasemonkey
>>
>> Now IceWeasel shows a drop-down menu with a GreaseMonkey icon, and it
>> is enabled.
>>
>> However, I still cannot watch any video on youtube.com.  When I click
>> to a video, it shows a black rectangle where the video should be,
>> with the message "An error occurred, please try again later."
> 

Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote, On 03/06/2014 01:16 PM:

> I got my laptop's Wheezy to play Youtube videos, using the instructions
> you referenced above. But I had to do a some fooling around and
> experimentation. Also, as I remember, I had to reboot after completing
> the instructions and doing my fooling around.

Thanks, it's working great now.  Here's what I did, just to be sure it's
a predictable, well-worn groove on a brand new machine:

1. Do a fresh install of 64-bit Debian on my desktop machine.

2. Add myself to the "sudo" group so I can install stuff:

$ su root
# gpasswd -a patrick sudo
# exit

3. Now install the Gecko Media Player:

$ sudo apt-get update  # I had to do this.
$ sudo apt-get install gecko-mediaplayer

4. Next, reboot the machine.  This is an important step.

5. Open the IceWeasel web browser, visit youtube.com, and watch
"Ultimate Dog Tease".

So now when I'm setting up a new machine for a non-techie friend, I'll
have a reliable answer for "how do I watch funny animal videos?"

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Re: unable to renew ip

2014-03-07 Thread Jerome BENOIT

Hi,

On 07/03/14 13:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 06:35, lina wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I use dhclient and just switch to google dns server.
>>
>> For months, I have bees stuck with the eth0 ip address 172.21.100.159
> 
> Uh, that's part of the private class-B range (172.16.0.0/12). You're
> getting it from your local DHCP server.
> 
> Only way to change that would be to drop the IP address, and then flush
> the DHCP server tables so that it doesn't re-assign you the same IP address.
> 
> Short version of how it works is you get a lease for (e.g.) a day ...
> then when the day is up, your computer asks if the "just expired"
> address is still available.  If it is, the lease is renewed with the
> same IP address.
> 
>>
>> For couple of hours, the interaction is unbearably slow.
>>
>> I changed to another cable, tried the `# dhcline -r` and `# dhclient`,
>> but all not works.
>>
>> Are there some suggestions about how to change the IP address?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Not sure how/why Jerome decided that the DHCP server is a windows box
> though.

As a matter of fact, it was meant to be a private email (sorry):
I know the place, the environment is a windows one;
and I experienced a lot of unexpected behaviour with 
the local DHCP server.


> 
> Your IP address should have no effect on your connection speed (i.e.
> getting a new one won't help you any).  You have to find out what's
> causing your connection's throughput to be slow.
> 
> Some possibilities:
> 
> (LAN)
>  - Other things using the network (torrents, youtube, VoIP, etc)
>  - QoS limiting what you're trying to do (torrents, youtube) in favor
>of something else (VoIP)
>  - Router can't cope with the above
>  - you've been hard-limited (on the router) to 10 mbit (or 100 mbit),
>and you were on gbit.
> 
> (WAN)
>  - ISP has over-sold the loop (generally cable)
>  - ISP has over-sold the backhaul (DSL, fiber)
>  - ISP fscked up your modem's provisioning, and you're on (e.g.) 10/1
>when you should be on 50/5 (etc.)
> 
> 
> 

Cheers,
Jerome


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Re: unable to renew ip

On 07/03/2014 06:35, lina wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I use dhclient and just switch to google dns server.
> 
> For months, I have bees stuck with the eth0 ip address 172.21.100.159

Uh, that's part of the private class-B range (172.16.0.0/12). You're
getting it from your local DHCP server.

Only way to change that would be to drop the IP address, and then flush
the DHCP server tables so that it doesn't re-assign you the same IP address.

Short version of how it works is you get a lease for (e.g.) a day ...
then when the day is up, your computer asks if the "just expired"
address is still available.  If it is, the lease is renewed with the
same IP address.

> 
> For couple of hours, the interaction is unbearably slow.
> 
> I changed to another cable, tried the `# dhcline -r` and `# dhclient`,
> but all not works.
> 
> Are there some suggestions about how to change the IP address?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 

Not sure how/why Jerome decided that the DHCP server is a windows box
though.

Your IP address should have no effect on your connection speed (i.e.
getting a new one won't help you any).  You have to find out what's
causing your connection's throughput to be slow.

Some possibilities:

(LAN)
 - Other things using the network (torrents, youtube, VoIP, etc)
 - QoS limiting what you're trying to do (torrents, youtube) in favor
   of something else (VoIP)
 - Router can't cope with the above
 - you've been hard-limited (on the router) to 10 mbit (or 100 mbit),
   and you were on gbit.

(WAN)
 - ISP has over-sold the loop (generally cable)
 - ISP has over-sold the backhaul (DSL, fiber)
 - ISP fscked up your modem's provisioning, and you're on (e.g.) 10/1
   when you should be on 50/5 (etc.)

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A SOLUTION - Re: compton and shadows

2014-03-07 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 11:05:41 +
Sharon Kimble  wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 07:16:43 +
> Peter Tynan  wrote:
> 
> > On 7 March 2014 02:46, Sharon Kimble  wrote:
> > > If you use 'compton' and a launcher like 'docky' or 'plank' in
> > > 'fluxbox' you will find that there is a *shadow* extending to
> > > about one inch above your launcher. In this shadow you are unable
> > > to click any button or pane-descriptor like in 'tmux', it is
> > > effectively 'dead-ground' and unusable.
> > >
> > > Is there any way of shrinking this shadow so that you are able to
> > > use the full screen above the launcher, instead of the present
> > > 80%?
> > >
> > > To see this shadow in action run 'compton -c --shadow-blue 1' in a
> > > terminal, and you see the big blue shadow! And I want to shrink it
> > > to about the bottom half-inch of the screen, but, is it possible
> > > please?
> > 
> > Try including
> > 
> > shadow-exclude = "n:e:Notification";
> > 
> > in your .compton.conf
> > 
> Thanks for this Peter, I didn't have a '~/.compton.conf' until now!
> Mine is - 
> 
> # started 7/3/14 to try to exclude the shadow
> # Shadow
> #shadow = false;
> no-dnd-shadow = true;
> no-dock-shadow = true;
> clear-shadow = true;
> shadow-blue = 1.0;
> #shadow-exclude = [ "name = 'Notification'", "class_g = 'Conky'",
> "class_g ?= 'Notify-osd'", "class_g = 'Plank'" ]; 
> shadow-exclude = "n:e:Notification"; 
> shadow-ignore-shaped = true;
> 
> I still have the problem where I can't move between panes in tmux in
> the shadow, and there is no discernible difference anywhere else. But
> I'm hopeful that a solution will be found. 
> 
> Sharon.

I had asked about the compton shadow in #plank and #fluxbox on
irc.freenode and overnight ak|ra in #fluxbox suggested adding this to
my 'apps' file in ~/.fluxbox - 

[app] (name=plank)
 [Layer] {BOTTOM}
[end]

so I did so and restarted plank, and it works! I can have tmux sitting
right next to plank and *all* the pane descriptors work and are
clickable!

Apparently '[Layer] {BOTTOM}' puts it onto the lowest layer, where
regular windows can be stacked on top of it. Hence, tmux is completely
clickable in every pane, and I can stop moving programmes out of the
dead-area/shadow as they all work properly now. Brilliant!

Thanks, folk, you're the best!

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Re: unable to renew ip

2014-03-07 Thread Jerome BENOIT

It is not up to you to assign the IP address, but to the DH server.
Your MAC address is there buffer.
The local DH server is window$. what renders thing harder.
You can try to remove your MAC from their memory by no connecting for a while
(days, weeks ?).
You can also try to send a fake MAC address to the DH server.

On 07/03/14 12:35, lina wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I use dhclient and just switch to google dns server.

bad idea: come back to the local DNS server.

> 
> For months, I have bees stuck with the eth0 ip address 172.21.100.159
> 
> For couple of hours, the interaction is unbearably slow.
> 
> I changed to another cable, tried the `# dhcline -r` and `# dhclient`,
> but all not works.

the dh server is windows, so do not expect full support from it.

> 
> Are there some suggestions about how to change the IP address?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 

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Re: unable to renew ip

On Friday 07,March,2014 07:35 PM, lina wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I use dhclient and just switch to google dns server.
> 
> For months, I have bees stuck with the eth0 ip address 172.21.100.159
> 
> For couple of hours, the interaction is unbearably slow.
> 
> I changed to another cable, tried the `# dhcline -r` and `# dhclient`,
> but all not works.
> 
> Are there some suggestions about how to change the IP address?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Google alot, finally found removal /var/lib/dhcp/* partially work.


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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 00:04:48 +1300
Chris Bannister  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 08:47:27AM +, Joe wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 01:28:11 -0500
> > "Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com"  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > What followed XP was Vista, and who would do that to themselves.
> > > In my opinion (not that I'm an expert on Windows), Windows 7
> > > wasn't much better. And Windows 8 is a confusing mess. I wouldn't
> > > upgrade from XP either, unless it was to Linux or BSD.
> > 
> > In the interests of balance, most people get their ideas about new
> > Windows versions from 'journalists'. Vista has its problems, the
> > main one being its insistence on running with zero free memory,
> > filling the machine with anything it thinks you might want to use,
> > and therefore being slow to open new documents. Windows 7 is
> > enormously better and quicker, Vista was effectively a beta Windows
> > 7, released before it was ready.
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Linux also use all available
> memory?
> 

Not that I've noticed. *Most*, not all. Like XP, Win 7 etc.

In Vista, free memory shows precisely zero most of the time, that nice
round number, and if you already have an application open, creating a
blank document takes the same sort of time that opening the application
would. This was fixed in Win 7. I am currently running Win 7 on
hardware that came with Vista, which was used for a year or so, and the
difference in apparent speed for normal tasks is quite noticeable. Yes,
even allowing for the famous silting-up of Windows. Win 7 is slower
now, years later, but was never as bad as Vista after a year.

Ironic, when Vista actually loads applications in the background without
being asked, because you used them at this time of day for the last few
days, or after using another application that you *are* using, in an
attempt to achieve a one-off increase in speed if you do indeed decide
to use one of these applications. If you want a new document for one of
the applications you *are* using, Vista then has to recover the
necessary RAM, and closing an application even if it was never used
takes longer than just flagging a chunk of data as 'non-resident'.
Madness. Probably Win 7 and now 8 still do this, but rather more
intelligently and less aggressively.

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unable to renew ip

Hi,

I use dhclient and just switch to google dns server.

For months, I have bees stuck with the eth0 ip address 172.21.100.159

For couple of hours, the interaction is unbearably slow.

I changed to another cable, tried the `# dhcline -r` and `# dhclient`,
but all not works.

Are there some suggestions about how to change the IP address?

Thanks,


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Re: compton and shadows

2014-03-07 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 07:16:43 +
Peter Tynan  wrote:

> On 7 March 2014 02:46, Sharon Kimble  wrote:
> > If you use 'compton' and a launcher like 'docky' or 'plank' in
> > 'fluxbox' you will find that there is a *shadow* extending to about
> > one inch above your launcher. In this shadow you are unable to
> > click any button or pane-descriptor like in 'tmux', it is
> > effectively 'dead-ground' and unusable.
> >
> > Is there any way of shrinking this shadow so that you are able to
> > use the full screen above the launcher, instead of the present 80%?
> >
> > To see this shadow in action run 'compton -c --shadow-blue 1' in a
> > terminal, and you see the big blue shadow! And I want to shrink it
> > to about the bottom half-inch of the screen, but, is it possible
> > please?
> 
> Try including
> 
> shadow-exclude = "n:e:Notification";
> 
> in your .compton.conf
> 
Thanks for this Peter, I didn't have a '~/.compton.conf' until now! Mine
is - 

# started 7/3/14 to try to exclude the shadow
# Shadow
#shadow = false;
no-dnd-shadow = true;
no-dock-shadow = true;
clear-shadow = true;
shadow-blue = 1.0;
#shadow-exclude = [ "name = 'Notification'", "class_g = 'Conky'",
"class_g ?= 'Notify-osd'", "class_g = 'Plank'" ]; 
shadow-exclude = "n:e:Notification"; 
shadow-ignore-shaped = true;

I still have the problem where I can't move between panes in tmux in
the shadow, and there is no discernible difference anywhere else. But
I'm hopeful that a solution will be found. 

Sharon.
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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

2014-03-07 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 08:47:27AM +, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 01:28:11 -0500
> "Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com"  wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > What followed XP was Vista, and who would do that to themselves. In my
> > opinion (not that I'm an expert on Windows), Windows 7 wasn't much
> > better. And Windows 8 is a confusing mess. I wouldn't upgrade from XP
> > either, unless it was to Linux or BSD.
> 
> In the interests of balance, most people get their ideas about new
> Windows versions from 'journalists'. Vista has its problems, the main
> one being its insistence on running with zero free memory, filling the
> machine with anything it thinks you might want to use, and therefore
> being slow to open new documents. Windows 7 is enormously better and
> quicker, Vista was effectively a beta Windows 7, released before it was
> ready.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Linux also use all available
memory?

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Re: Test

2014-03-07 Thread Curt

On 2014-03-07, Brian  wrote:
>
>>From listmaster@l.d.o (it's a private mail but quoted verbatim with
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>
>There are a bunch of things that may delay mails, that
>is cross post detection and we routinely set several
>keywords or threads to a delay list to slow overheated
>discussions down.
>

I guess the slowing down of overheated discussions leads to 
their cooling.

But seriously I didn't know there was any moderation on this list.


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Re: compton and shadows

2014-03-07 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 06:26:47 +0100
Gian Uberto Lauri  wrote:

> What are the effects of the -C (uppercase c) switch?

No discernible difference. 

Sharon.
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> 
> > On 07/mar/2014, at 03:46, Sharon Kimble 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > If you use 'compton' and a launcher like 'docky' or 'plank' in
> > 'fluxbox' you will find that there is a *shadow* extending to about
> > one inch above your launcher. In this shadow you are unable to
> > click any button or pane-descriptor like in 'tmux', it is
> > effectively 'dead-ground' and unusable.
> > 
> > Is there any way of shrinking this shadow so that you are able to
> > use the full screen above the launcher, instead of the present 80%?
> > 
> > To see this shadow in action run 'compton -c --shadow-blue 1' in a
> > terminal, and you see the big blue shadow! And I want to shrink it
> > to about the bottom half-inch of the screen, but, is it possible
> > please?
> > 
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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Friday 07 March 2014 08:47:27 Joe wrote:
> To get back on topic, I'm fairly sure that in the past, an expert
> Stable install has offered me LXDE and Xfce desktops in addition to
> Gnome and KDE,

Still does.

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Re: Test

2014-03-07 Thread Brian

On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 20:53:05 +, Tom Furie wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 08:31:23PM +, Tom Furie wrote:
> 
> > I honestly thought I was joking when I mentioned them being intercepted
> > en-route.
> 
> Yep, there's the delay. My confidence is shaken, and my curiosity is
> piqued.

>From listmaster@l.d.o (it's a private mail but quoted verbatim with
permission).

   There are a bunch of things that may delay mails, that
   is cross post detection and we routinely set several
   keywords or threads to a delay list to slow overheated
   discussions down.


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Re: Read-only rootfs on systemd

2014-03-07 Thread Reco

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:05:20PM +, Amit wrote:
>  0) After reboot and running 'lsof +L1':
> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NLINK   NODE NAME
> cupsd935 root8r   REG8,1 1392 0 132095
> /etc/passwd (deleted)

So it's reproducible.

>  1) Shutting down cups:
> sudo service cups stop
> 
> No /etc/passwd in 'lsof +L1' output

Since cupsd is the only one who writes in there, and you've just stopped
cupsd - that's expected.

>  2) Starting cups:
> $ sudo /etc/init.d/cups start
> [ ok ] Starting cups (via systemctl): cups.service.

Oops. That's something I've forgot. I expected sysvinit compatibility
layer to take care of cupsd starting.

> 
>  3) No /etc/passwd in 'lsof +L1' output
> 
>  4) fuser output shows cupsd process using /etc/passwd but no output in lsof
> showing '(deleted)'.

Weird. Just checked again, and on my Wheezy install nobody is using
/etc/passwd. Are you running Jessie?

>  At this point remounting as 'ro' works.

As it should be, as nobody is writing to the / filesystem now.

As a workaround to all this, you probably can just restart cups on
system's boot, and remount '/' read-only after that.

As a real solution to the problem, I suggest you to fill a bug report to
http://bugs.debian.org

Reco

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Re: X key bindings don't work on new system

On Jo, 06 mar 14, 12:34:02, Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I've dusted off an old, fanless computer with an Epia
> (Via) main board, and installed sid.
> 
> One thing I notice is that my xmodmap commands for remapping
> the CAPS key to behave as CTRL (in .xinitrc) work in my
> usual system, but have no effect on this newly installed
> system. Both systems are running an up-to-date sid, 
> and I've copied over my .bashrc.
> 
> Any ideas where I should be looking?

dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

As far as I can tell from xkeyboard-config(7) you need either 
'ctrl:nocaps' or 'caps:ctrl_modifier'.

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Re: I mistakenly installed 32 bit Debian. How can I ensure that I'm installing 64 bit?

On Vi, 07 mar 14, 08:05:21, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On 06/03/2014 22:07, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
> > I'll try to keep the noise down
> > henceforth, and aim to help others as I develop more expertise.
> 
> Don't be afraid to ask any questions. Ignore any useless answers.

I'd rather recommend:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Re: Brand new install, now how do I play a Youtube video?

On Vi, 07 mar 14, 20:24:22, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:31:34AM -0500, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
> > I recently installed Debian on this laptop.  Here's the detail:
> > 
> > $ uname -a
> > Linux laptop 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux
> > 
> > I'm using the IceWeasel browser, but I can't play a Youtube video.  I
> > don't want to install Flash because I just cannot stand Adobe.
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/cclive

'apt-cache search youtube' has quite a few hits. I'm occasionally using 
youtube-dl, because iceweasel + flashplugin-nonfree (i386) works fine 
for me.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 01:28:11 -0500
"Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com"  wrote:

> 
> What followed XP was Vista, and who would do that to themselves. In my
> opinion (not that I'm an expert on Windows), Windows 7 wasn't much
> better. And Windows 8 is a confusing mess. I wouldn't upgrade from XP
> either, unless it was to Linux or BSD.

In the interests of balance, most people get their ideas about new
Windows versions from 'journalists'. Vista has its problems, the main
one being its insistence on running with zero free memory, filling the
machine with anything it thinks you might want to use, and therefore
being slow to open new documents. Windows 7 is enormously better and
quicker, Vista was effectively a beta Windows 7, released before it was
ready.

Windows 8 is... interesting. But it's a single click to get a proper
desktop, and having had to buy a new laptop a couple of weeks ago, I've
now almost got it behaving sanely. Except for ISC DHCP, which for some
reason offends it. I confirmed yesterday that it's fine on DHCP from a
BT Hub. But basically, the freaking-out about Win8 is mainly more
'journalism'.
> 
> > and why do they guess that now is a good time to switch from Windows
> > to Linux?
> 
> Microsoft's pulling the plug on XP updates, including security
> updates, which makes XP extremely vulnerable.
> > 

Hence my new laptop, I have hardware and software which can be used only
with Windows. Also, my old drive has thrown up a couple of minor errors
in recent months, but the machine is over eight years old.

To get back on topic, I'm fairly sure that in the past, an expert Stable
install has offered me LXDE and Xfce desktops in addition to Gnome and
KDE, at the installation stage I mean, not manually adding them later.
I don't have the means of checking at the moment, I normally do
netinstalls. That does, of course, mean answering some questions,
including the 'domain' one which throws newbies, but you can probably
come up with a sensible answer script for them.

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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

Erratum - I omitted something.
On Friday 07 March 2014 08:19:06 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 07 March 2014 01:16:05 Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
> > 2: Tell them how to use the network install CD to install Debian
> > sans GUI.

Why?  Why not install *with* GUI?  If you (briefly) venture into the 
advanced option at install time, you can choose xfce as desktop.  
Thereafter use normal text-based install and accept defaults. :-)

> One problem that they may hit is network card during installation
> not being recognised.  This is easily remedied, but there are also
> install CDs with the drivers.  I can never remember where these are
> and they are difficult to find, but hopefully someone will chime
> in.
>
> > 3: Tell them to apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies

See above.  Though I don't use xfce myself, so I don't know whether 
they would still need to install xfce4-goodies.

> > 4: Tell them how to make Xfce be what runs when they issue the
> > startx command.
>
> Why complicate things for them?  Why not have it boot into the GUI?

If they install with xfce from the beginning, this would be the 
default.

Lisi

> > 5: Tell them how to make iceweasel play youtube videos (I think
> > today I saw someone on this list say to go to youtube.com/html5 :
> > Is that a good solution in general?)
>
> There will still be things that cannot play on YouTube and sites
> that are not (yet?) HTML5.
>
> > 6: Are you guys cool with my friends, who would all be raw
> > newbies, joining this list?
>
> I am, but then I am by way of being a perpetual newbie myself. ;-).
>  I can't speak for the others.  Warn them to reseqarch first and
> accept the somewhat rough "justice" sometimes meeted out.
>
> Useful URLs
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-getting.en.html
>
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
>
> http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
>
> Lisi


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Re: Brainless Debian Stable installation and usage?

On Friday 07 March 2014 01:16:05 Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com 
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have several friends, with Windows XP, who are now considering
> moving to Linux because of XP's impending stoppage of support.
> Normally, I'd just tell them to install Xubuntu. But some of these
> people have memory starved machines, and in my travels I've found
> that, using the Network Install, Debian installs in anything 128MB
> or above. Most other distros, even if they could somehow *run* in
> such memory starved machines, can't install in them due to the
> bloat of their GUI installers.
>
> What I'd like to do with my friends is:
>
> 1: Install them toward the *right* Wheezy network install image for
>their CPU. I've never been able to easily find the right network
>install image, and just sort of used whatever I could find.

http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

> 2: Tell them how to use the network install CD to install Debian
> sans GUI.

One problem that they may hit is network card during installation not 
being recognised.  This is easily remedied, but there are also 
install CDs with the drivers.  I can never remember where these are 
and they are difficult to find, but hopefully someone will chime in.

> 3: Tell them to apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
> 4: Tell them how to make Xfce be what runs when they issue the
> startx command.

Why complicate things for them?  Why not have it boot into the GUI?

> 5: Tell them how to make iceweasel play youtube videos (I think
> today I saw someone on this list say to go to youtube.com/html5 :
> Is that a good solution in general?)

There will still be things that cannot play on YouTube and sites that 
are not (yet?) HTML5.

> 6: Are you guys cool with my friends, who would all be raw newbies,
>joining this list?

I am, but then I am by way of being a perpetual newbie myself. ;-).  I 
can't speak for the others.  Warn them to reseqarch first and accept 
the somewhat rough "justice" sometimes meeted out.

Useful URLs
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-getting.en.html

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Lisi


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