date:20140425

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:18:46 -0300, Francisco javier escribió:

(...)

 hola, he intentado lo que me habéis dicho, y no pude llegar al
 particionado, pero si logre configurar bien el disco, me temo que es
 problema de la controladora, mañana viernes intentare guiándome con
 esto

 http://elmanytas.es/?q=node/277

Hum... no creo que eso sea necesario porque wheezy ya debería incluir 
soporte en el kernel para esa controladora aunque para asegurarse habría 
que saber el modelo exacto de la que tienes.

 me auto respondo, creo que este tema ya se había tocado en la lista,
 siento mucho no haberlo visto antes,
 
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2012/12/msg00652.html

Pues sí... pero ojo, en ese hilo se habla de un servidor distinto (M4).

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Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Eduardo Rios


El 24/04/14 23:58, consultor escribió:
()

La mal llamada, dificultad de usar GNU/Linux, es solamente el proceso
de aprendisaje! La facilidad de uso, solo lleva a ser igual a los
Windows! Y actualmente, la mayoria lo que quiere es un Linux
Windows-izado. Esas personas, en apariencia, son Gurus de Linux; pero
en el fondo son Windowseros. Desconocen la esencia del Software Libre.


Yo no soy ningún experto, y puede que me equivoque, pero la esencia del 
software libre, para mi es, un software que puede ser usado por todo el 
mundo, que puedes compartir libremente, al que puedes acceder a su 
código y mejor arlo si quieres.


Pero eso no significa que deba ser complicado su uso porque si no, no 
es linux, y pierde su esencia.


Yo al menos, no veo nada malo en que cada vez se haga más sencillo su 
uso. ¿Que se parece a Windows? ¿Y qué? Cuando se usa linux ya se ve que 
no es Windows.



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Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Mauro Antivero

Estimados, tengo un servidor que recibe log de varios otros servidores y 
demás equipos que generen logs, todo mediante syslog por supuesto. El 
tema es que cuando uno quiere ver el archivo /var/log/syslog se 
imaginarán la cantidad de información que pasa por allí.


Por supuesto que uno puede usar | grep para ir filtrando, pero mi idea 
desde hace rato es que cada cosa loguee en un directorio / archivo 
diferente, como para que sea más simple realizar la búsqueda de un log 
determinado en el caso de que exista algún problema. Una de las cosas 
que más molesta es que como hay algunos equipos que generan mcho log 
y otros que generan muy poco, cuando uno busca un log en particular de 
un equipo de los que loguea poco hay que andar buscando en varios 
archivos anteriores, ya que log rotate se encarga de ir archivando logs 
viejos). Esto dificulta bastante la búsqueda de las cosas en 
determinadas ocasiones.


Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual 
generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el 
servidor hace que cada uno de estos niveles loguee donde uno desee. 
Esta forma creo que me va a ser muy útil, pero solo hay 8 niveles. Si 
bien en este caso me alcanzan perfectamente, me pregunto como habría que 
hacer si uno tiene por ejemplo 50 equipos que generen log y quiere que 
cada uno lo haga en un archivo diferente?


Como tengo esa duda y quizás exista una forma más prolija o mejor de 
hacerlo, antes de ponerme con esto les consulto para ver que opinan 
ustedes en base a sus conocimientos y experiencias personales.


Desde ya, como siempre, muchísimas gracias.

Saludos, Mauro.


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Re: systemd en jessie

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:34:49 +0200, Santiago Vila escribió:

 Camaleón, en este bug proponen que systemd incluya un ficherito en
 /etc/grub.d de forma que además de la entrada de arranque normal haya
 otra con systemd, como sucede con Xen.
 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667582

Leído.

Si no lo he entendido mal, lo que han hecho es añadir un nuevo archivo de 
configuración para GRUB (nota mental: supongo que sólo para GRUB porque 
el bug únicamente mencionaba ese cargador de arranque) que hace lo 
siguiente: añade una nueva línea en el menú de GRUB para permitir el 
inicio con systemd (salvo que se tenga instalado el paquete systemd-
sysv) y mantiene como inicio predeterminado sysvinit.

Me parece bien, la idea va encaminada a resolver el problema que estaba 
viendo al menos cuando se tienen esos dos sistemas de inicio instalados 
(systemd y syvinit). Mi sugerencia era más general y englobaba al resto 
de sistemas de inicio pero bueno, para el caso concreto de systemd VS. 
sysvinit lo veo correcto.

Lo raro es que aún no se haya incluido el parche en testing/sid ya que el 
informe es de hace dos años como bien apunta el propio informador del bug. 
De hecho, si se hubiera incluido el parche seguramente no estaríamos 
teniendo esta conversación.

 De todas las soluciones imaginables al problema que planteas, esta me
 parece la más elegante.

No sé si elegante es el adjetivo que elegiría, quizá sea la más 
práctica para GRUB2, systemd y systemv pero deja de lado al resto de 
cargadores de arranque (LILO) y sistemas de inicio (openrc, upstart...).

 Si tienes algún interés en los otros sistemas de arranque que no sean
 sysvinit ni systemd, escribir un ficherito de los que van en /etc/grub.d
 no debe ser difícil ni complicado (si miras los otros que hay te puedes
 hacer una idea).

No tengo particular interés más allá de hacer una cosa bien hecha, de 
momento uso GRUB2 y systemv (con systemd como dependencia forzosa en el 
sistema de pruebas que tengo con GNOME3). 
 
 Porque opinar es gratis, pero a la hora de la verdad lo que importa es
 que alguien escriba el código necesario.

Hombre, ya... si por mi fuera lo escribiría yo misma, nada me gustaría 
más pero ni mis conocimientos de programación ni de linux me dan para 
tanto.

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Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread consultor

On 04/24/2014 02:58 PM, consultor wrote:
 On 04/24/2014 09:31 AM, German Cardozo wrote:
 Un grupo del que desconozco su origen, creo el sitio:
 http://boycottsystemd.org, supongo que con la buena intención de explicar
 las razones por las cuales no estan de acuerdo con este sistema.

 Considero cierto, y ya he efectuado algunas revisiones y pruebas, que este
 pierde parte de la filosofía UNIX, de hacer las cosas. En especial, el uso
 de archivos en formatos no texto o no leibles por humanos, para
 almacenar información o configuraciones, forzar el uso de ciertos paquetes
 y/o sistemas (udev, dbus), estar diseñado para glibc, entre otros.

 Con el simple ánimo de dejar esto a la consideración técnica de todos en la
 Lista.

 Saludos,

 German Cardozo Chirinos
 ~ carpe diem ~

 
 La Distribucion activa, mas antigua es Slackware, y mantiene el estilo
 UNIX (arranque BSD y configuracion en texto plano); le sigue Debian
 (inicialmente, con estilo propio).
 
 El objetivo de los mercaderes (personas y grupos que quieren dominar
 el mundo, esclavizando a todos); ha sido. destruir y/o apropiarse del
 Software libre; los metodos han sido diferentes; la armada de EU, se
 atribuye la creacion de internet (cosa que ya existia, solo faltaba el
 instrumento); la NSA mete proyectos de seguridad en Debian y promueve la
 creacion de capas de software (paneles de control), mete bugs
 (posiblemente HeartBleed), mete personas que promuevan la facilidad en
 el software libre (eso facilita las intrusiones, y crea grupos que
 empiezan a exigir cambios, en vez de crear y auditar codigo); systemd,
 es la muestra de codigo complicado y con tendencia a ser codigo cerrado!
 
 La mal llamada, dificultad de usar GNU/Linux, es solamente el proceso
 de aprendisaje! La facilidad de uso, solo lleva a ser igual a los
 Windows! Y actualmente, la mayoria lo que quiere es un Linux
 Windows-izado. Esas personas, en apariencia, son Gurus de Linux; pero
 en el fondo son Windowseros. Desconocen la esencia del Software Libre.
 
 Linus Torvals, se nego a introducir codigo de la NSA, pero en la capa de
 aplicaciones; la cosa es muy amplia y diferente; y esta en manos de la
 mentalidad de los desarrolladores. Los demas, solo somos usuarios
 cualquiera.
 
 https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
 

Comentario de lista en Ingles:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/03/msg00449.html






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Re: Ordenamiento de logs

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:26:50 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:

 Estimados, tengo un servidor que recibe log de varios otros servidores y
 demás equipos que generen logs, todo mediante syslog por supuesto. El
 tema es que cuando uno quiere ver el archivo /var/log/syslog se
 imaginarán la cantidad de información que pasa por allí.

(...)

 Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual
 generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el
 servidor hace que cada uno de estos niveles loguee donde uno desee.
 Esta forma creo que me va a ser muy útil, pero solo hay 8 niveles. Si
 bien en este caso me alcanzan perfectamente, me pregunto como habría que
 hacer si uno tiene por ejemplo 50 equipos que generen log y quiere que
 cada uno lo haga en un archivo diferente?

(...)

Yo dejaría a un lado las facilities que como bien dices están limitadas 
en número, y me pondría a mirar cómo configurar los filtros de rsyslog que 
son muy potentes pero requieren paciencia de santo para afinarlos:

http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/some-core-recipies/
http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html

Tienes más documentación y ejemplos de uso buscando en Google:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0hl=enq=rsyslog+filters

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Re: Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Mauro Antivero


El 25/04/14 13:07, Camaleón escribió:

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:26:50 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:


Estimados, tengo un servidor que recibe log de varios otros servidores y
demás equipos que generen logs, todo mediante syslog por supuesto. El
tema es que cuando uno quiere ver el archivo /var/log/syslog se
imaginarán la cantidad de información que pasa por allí.

(...)


Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual
generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el
servidor hace que cada uno de estos niveles loguee donde uno desee.
Esta forma creo que me va a ser muy útil, pero solo hay 8 niveles. Si
bien en este caso me alcanzan perfectamente, me pregunto como habría que
hacer si uno tiene por ejemplo 50 equipos que generen log y quiere que
cada uno lo haga en un archivo diferente?

(...)

Yo dejaría a un lado las facilities que como bien dices están limitadas
en número, y me pondría a mirar cómo configurar los filtros de rsyslog que
son muy potentes pero requieren paciencia de santo para afinarlos:

http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/some-core-recipies/
http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html

Tienes más documentación y ejemplos de uso buscando en Google:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0hl=enq=rsyslog+filters

Genial, excelente aporte como siempre los tuyos.

Te parece entonces que deje todo en local0 y luego voy ordenando 
mediante los filtros?


Saludos y gracias.

Mauro.


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Re: Boycott a systemd

El Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:01:17 -0430, German Cardozo escribió:

(ese html...)

 Un grupo del que desconozco su origen, creo el sitio:
 http://boycottsystemd.org, supongo que con la buena intención de
 explicar las razones por las cuales no estan de acuerdo con este
 sistema.

No me gusta ni comulgo con systemd (ver razones más abajo) pero tampoco 
me gusta nada el tono y la forma en la que está escrita esa web. AL fin y 
al cabo, systemd está ahí para quien quiera cogerlo (distribuciones, 
entornos gráficos, etc...) pero una cosa es cierta y es que no se obliga 
a NADIE a usarlo.

Yo, personalmente, centraría más el punto de mira sobre los proyectos que 
se empeñan en usarlo (leáse, GNOME3) como requisito indispensable para 
que funcionen al 100% todos sus componentes (en el caso de GNOME3 para 
tener un entorno completamente funcional).

Se podría decir que es ¿únicamente? N-M (N-M → libpam-systemd → systemd) 
quien depende de systemd y/o que se podría compilar M-M sin soporte para 
systemd pero la mayoría de las aplicaciones de GNOME3 dependen de N-M así 
que no tenerlo instalado, sí, sería posible pero habría que ver qué es lo 
que pierde por el camino. Hay quine puede decir que se puede tener 
instalado pero no usarse, y al menos de momento es correcto pero también 
hay quien no lo quiere tener instalado en su sistema por el motivo que 
sea.

En cuanto a la actitud (el soporte) de Debian hacia systemd, pues tampoco 
me termina de convencer. Percibo un interés inusitado y desmedido por un 
componente del sistema que es además básico y eje central de un sistema 
operativo (gestión de servicios) que es lo suficientemente importante 
como para apoyar o promover un cambio radical sin olvidar que no son 
pocos los usuarios y desarrolladores que han expresado públicamente su 
malestar y/o disconformidad en el uso de systemd. Desde mi punto de 
vista, hubiera sido más prudente esperar un poco maś de tiempo antes de 
lanzarse con systemd como sistema predeterminado. La verdad es que 
hubiera pensado que Debian apoyaría más un desarrollo como OpenRC.

 Considero cierto, y ya he efectuado algunas revisiones y pruebas, que
 este pierde parte de la filosofía UNIX, de hacer las cosas. En especial,
 el uso de archivos en formatos no texto o no leibles por humanos,
 para almacenar información o configuraciones, forzar el uso de ciertos
 paquetes y/o sistemas (udev, dbus), estar diseñado para glibc, entre
 otros.
 
 Con el simple ánimo de dejar esto a la consideración técnica de todos en
 la Lista.

Las razones de no comulgar con systemd son muy básicas y es que 
simplemente no lo necesito ahora, no necesito ninguna de sus 
funcionalidades, mejoras o posibilidades. Un sistema de inicio es un 
componente vital para el funcionamiento de cualquier sistema operativo 
por lo que cambiarlo no es un paso baladí.

Valoro más la estabilidad de lo malo conocido que las supuestas mejoras 
de lo bueno por conocer. También es verdad que prefiero un sistema de 
inicio dedicado (que se encargue de la gestión de los procesos) que no 
otro que se quiera encargar de todo, a modo de super-watcher, como 
parece que hace systemd.

Por eso digo que no me importa que systemd esté ahí, disponible, siempre 
y cuando su uso sea realmente opcional. Pero realmente, no sólo de 
boquilla. Lo veo algo así como la situación de ext4 o GRUB2: el primero 
aún no lo estoy usando y el segundo sí, pero nada me impide usar ext4 o 
pasarme a otro cargador de arranque. 

Ahora bien, también es verdad que ni ext4 ni GRUB2 (ni ninguna otra 
novedad) ha generado tanto rechazo/revuelo como systemd (bueno, quizá 
kde4 o gnome-shell pero un entorno gráfico no es comparable en cuanto a 
importancia con un sistema de inicio; el DE es prescindible, pero sin un 
gestor de servicios competente no hay sistema que se mantenga en pie), es 
algo que también hay que tener en cuenta. No hay que olvidar que systemd 
apunta al punto de flotación de linux y creo que eso es precisamente 
por lo que hay tantos reacios a su integración y uso.

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Re:

2014-04-25 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR

Probablemente el sistema de archivos de ese disco tenga formato windows
y por eso no te deja ejecutar programas directamente.

Si mal no recuerdo hay una opcion de montaje para
poder ejecutar programas en particiones windows. Creo que 
el parametro era exec

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Re: Sin sonido tras actualizar pulseaudio

2014-04-25 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR

ejecuta es ocomo root
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Excluir subred de restricción de ancho de banda en apache2

2014-04-25 Thread Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez

Hola colegas, tengo una red, donde tengo varias sucursales a las que le 
doy servio que acceden a mi por la única puerta que tengo en el Nodo 
2Mbit/s tengo mi ftp público para mi red local y todas esas oficinas que 
están conectadas a mi a través de enlaces framerelay a 128kbit/s pero 
como ya dije tengo una única puerta y es en ella a donde están 
conectados todos esos clientes, me sucede que cuando se ponen a 
descargar algo grande de mi ftp me afectan el servicio de navegación 
internacional que tenemos aquí en la sede principal por llamarlo de 
alguna manera, me puse a buscar como regular el ancho de banda o la tasa 
de transferencia de las descargas mediante apache2 y me encontré con un 
módulo para apache2 llamado: libapache2-mod-bw y funciona muy bien, solo 
que al establecer limite de descargas en el apache2 también me afecta a 
las descargas desde la red local que no afectan el enlace de la entidad 
ya que ese tráfico no pasa por el router, va directo de la LAN al 
servidor que actúa de firewall entra la LAN y la DMZ y de ahí directo al 
servidor web, alguna idea que no sea crear un virtualhost distinto para 
la red local, sin este limite en las descargas?? Lo cual podría 
funcionar, hasta que alguien de fuera descubra esa otra URL ya que no 
tengo vistas en el DNS :)



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Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread consultor

On 04/25/2014 07:57 AM, Eduardo Rios wrote:
 El 24/04/14 23:58, consultor escribió:
 ()
 La mal llamada, dificultad de usar GNU/Linux, es solamente el proceso
 de aprendisaje! La facilidad de uso, solo lleva a ser igual a los
 Windows! Y actualmente, la mayoria lo que quiere es un Linux
 Windows-izado. Esas personas, en apariencia, son Gurus de Linux; pero
 en el fondo son Windowseros. Desconocen la esencia del Software Libre.
 
 Yo no soy ningún experto, y puede que me equivoque, pero la esencia del
 software libre, para mi es, un software que puede ser usado por todo el
 mundo, que puedes compartir libremente, al que puedes acceder a su
 código y mejor arlo si quieres.
 
 Pero eso no significa que deba ser complicado su uso porque si no, no
 es linux, y pierde su esencia.
 
 Yo al menos, no veo nada malo en que cada vez se haga más sencillo su
 uso. ¿Que se parece a Windows? ¿Y qué? Cuando se usa linux ya se ve que
 no es Windows.
 
 

Windows es software cerrado o privativo; el te gobierna y no puedes
cambiar eso; lo mismo seria con systemd, Gnome y otros, incorporados en
Linux por la corporacion red-hat.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.es.html

No entendi, lo de uso complicado; yo me referia a que es necesario
aprender a utilizar Debian, en este caso; como cualquier otra herramienta.

Cuando digo Linux Windows-izado, me refiero a la ausencia de seguridad,
y a meterle cualquier paquete; venga de donde venga. La mayoria, NO
entendemos que GNU/Linux Debian, NO es windows.





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Re: Ordenamiento de logs

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:10:01 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:

 El 25/04/14 13:07, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual
 generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el
 servidor hace que cada uno de estos niveles loguee donde uno desee.
 Esta forma creo que me va a ser muy útil, pero solo hay 8 niveles. Si
 bien en este caso me alcanzan perfectamente, me pregunto como habría
 que hacer si uno tiene por ejemplo 50 equipos que generen log y
 quiere que cada uno lo haga en un archivo diferente?
 (...)

 Yo dejaría a un lado las facilities que como bien dices están
 limitadas en número, y me pondría a mirar cómo configurar los filtros
 de rsyslog que son muy potentes pero requieren paciencia de santo para
 afinarlos:

 http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/some-core-recipies/
 http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html

 Tienes más documentación y ejemplos de uso buscando en Google:

 https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0hl=enq=rsyslog+filters
 Genial, excelente aporte como siempre los tuyos.
 
 Te parece entonces que deje todo en local0 y luego voy ordenando 
 mediante los filtros?

¿Tienes *todos* los servicios registrando eventos en local 0?

Yo lo que haría es mantener los servicios con su facility predeterminada 
y usar la funcionalidad de filtrado de rsyslog para enviar los registros 
a otros archivos o particiones, separados, para tenerlo más ordenador.

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Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Debian GMail


El 24/04/14 18:58, consultor escribió:


El objetivo de los mercaderes (personas y grupos que quieren dominar
el mundo, esclavizando a todos); ha sido. destruir y/o apropiarse del
Software libre; los metodos han sido diferentes; la armada de EU, se
atribuye la creacion de internet (cosa que ya existia, solo faltaba el
instrumento); la NSA mete proyectos de seguridad en Debian y promueve la
creacion de capas de software (paneles de control), mete bugs
(posiblemente HeartBleed), mete personas que promuevan la facilidad en
el software libre (eso facilita las intrusiones, y crea grupos que
empiezan a exigir cambios, en vez de crear y auditar codigo); systemd,
es la muestra de codigo complicado y con tendencia a ser codigo cerrado!



-Cerebro, ¿qué vamos a hacer esta noche?
-Lo mismo que hacemos todas las noches, Pinky. ¡Tratar de conquistar el 
mundo!


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Re: Excluir subred de restricción de ancho de banda en apache2

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:47:41 -0400, Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez escribió:

(...)

 me encontré con un módulo para apache2 llamado: libapache2-mod-bw y
 funciona muy bien, solo que al establecer limite de descargas en el
 apache2 también me afecta a las descargas desde la red local que no
 afectan el enlace de la entidad ya que ese tráfico no pasa por el
 router, va directo de la LAN al servidor que actúa de firewall entra la
 LAN y la DMZ y de ahí directo al servidor web, alguna idea que no sea
 crear un virtualhost distinto para la red local, sin este limite en las
 descargas?? Lo cual podría funcionar, hasta que alguien de fuera
 descubra esa otra URL ya que no tengo vistas en el DNS :)

Echa un vistazo por aquí:

Limit the upload bandwidth of your apache webserver with mod_bw 
http://blog.mansonthomas.com/2009/02/limit-upload-bandwith-of-your-apache.html

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Re: Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Mauro Antivero


El 25/04/14 14:27, Camaleón escribió:

El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:10:01 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:


El 25/04/14 13:07, Camaleón escribió:

(...)


Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual
generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el
servidor hace que cada uno de estos niveles loguee donde uno desee.
Esta forma creo que me va a ser muy útil, pero solo hay 8 niveles. Si
bien en este caso me alcanzan perfectamente, me pregunto como habría
que hacer si uno tiene por ejemplo 50 equipos que generen log y
quiere que cada uno lo haga en un archivo diferente?

(...)

Yo dejaría a un lado las facilities que como bien dices están
limitadas en número, y me pondría a mirar cómo configurar los filtros
de rsyslog que son muy potentes pero requieren paciencia de santo para
afinarlos:

http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/some-core-recipies/
http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html

Tienes más documentación y ejemplos de uso buscando en Google:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0hl=enq=rsyslog+filters

Genial, excelente aporte como siempre los tuyos.

Te parece entonces que deje todo en local0 y luego voy ordenando
mediante los filtros?

¿Tienes *todos* los servicios registrando eventos en local 0?
Perdón, me expresé mal. En realidad recién me meto yo con el tema de los 
logs, está todo con su configuración por defecto. Dejo de dar vueltas 
entonces con la facility y veo directamente las opciones de filtrado de 
Rsyslog (estoy con eso justamente ahora).


Saludos y muchas gracias.

Mauro.


Yo lo que haría es mantener los servicios con su facility predeterminada
y usar la funcionalidad de filtrado de rsyslog para enviar los registros
a otros archivos o particiones, separados, para tenerlo más ordenador.

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Re: Excluir subred de restricción de ancho de banda en apache2

2014-04-25 Thread Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez



Echa un vistazo por aquí:

Limit the upload bandwidth of your apache webserver with mod_bw
http://blog.mansonthomas.com/2009/02/limit-upload-bandwith-of-your-apache.html

Saludos,



Justo lo que necesitaba!!! Muchas gracias Camaleón por la ayuda brindada 
una vez más!



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Sobre el código no normal que aparece en el arranque de Debian

2014-04-25 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)


Hola

Tengo Debian testing, y el arranque de Debian aparece fallos. Es tan 
rápido que no puedo visualizarlo bien, antes no pasaba. Me podían 
indicar de que manera puedo visualizarlo y como entenderlo. Gracias de 
antemano


Espero su ayuda y les doy las gracias de antemano.

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Re: systemd en jessie

2014-04-25 Thread Santiago Vila

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 03:22:20PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 Lo raro es que aún no se haya incluido el parche en testing/sid ya que el 
 informe es de hace dos años como bien apunta el propio informador del bug. 

Creo que la razón está en el propio bug, al final:

Michael Stapelberg dice:
 I’ll take a stab at merging it once the tech-ctte decision has been
 made.

y Josh Triplett, el informante, le responde:
 Hopefully it'll be unnecessary after that decision.

Es decir, que como systemd será el sistema de arranque predeterminado
en jessie, pues ya total para qué.

 De hecho, si se hubiera incluido el parche seguramente no estaríamos 
 teniendo esta conversación.

Pues no sé yo. El comité técnico ha decidido sobre systemd y a pesar
de todo estamos teniendo esta conversación.


El sistema de inicio comparte ciertas cosas con el núcleo y con el
cargador de arranque: Son elementos fundamentales del sistema, pero
son en su mayor parte invisibles. Al usuario normal le dará igual
uno que otro mientras funcionen y hagan lo que tienen que hacer. Son
partes del sistema, que, a diferencia del entorno de escritorio o del
gestor de ventanas, donde para gustos colores, casi no interaccionan
con el usuario de forma directa.

No hay un dpkg-reconfigure para elegir entre LILO y GRUB. En parte,
porque la gente no anda cambiando de LILO a GRUB y de GRUB a LILO.
Cuando tienes un cargador de arranque que funciona, no lo tocas, a
menos que haya otro mucho mejor y quieras cambiarte (LILO - GRUB).

Además, se espera que GRUB satisfaga las necesidades del 99,9% de los
usuarios, y si algún usuario tiene necesidades especiales que no estén
cubiertas por GRUB, se supone que sabrá buscarse la vida, no será el
típico usuario que necesita un dpkg-reconfigure para poner LILO.

Pues con systemd igual.


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Re: Sobre el código no normal que aparece en el arranque de Debian

2014-04-25 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)



El 25/04/14 19:18, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió:

Hola

Tengo Debian testing, y el arranque de Debian aparece fallos. Es tan 
rápido que no puedo visualizarlo bien, antes no pasaba. Me podían 
indicar de que manera puedo visualizarlo y como entenderlo. Gracias de 
antemano


Espero su ayuda y les doy las gracias de antemano.

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Hola

Pido disculpas, por mi trabajo necesito tener activado el acuse de 
recibo, y cuando mande el mensaje no me acorde de quitarlo. Disculpen 
las molestias.


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Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Cristian Mitchell

El 25 de abril de 2014, 11:54, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:18:46 -0300, Francisco javier escribió:

 (...)

  hola, he intentado lo que me habéis dicho, y no pude llegar al
  particionado, pero si logre configurar bien el disco, me temo que es
  problema de la controladora, mañana viernes intentare guiándome con
  esto
 
  http://elmanytas.es/?q=node/277

 Hum... no creo que eso sea necesario porque wheezy ya debería incluir
 soporte en el kernel para esa controladora aunque para asegurarse habría
 que saber el modelo exacto de la que tienes.

  me auto respondo, creo que este tema ya se había tocado en la lista,
  siento mucho no haberlo visto antes,
 
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2012/12/msg00652.html

 Pues sí... pero ojo, en ese hilo se habla de un servidor distinto (M4).

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Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Francisco javier

El día 25 de abril de 2014, 18:19, Cristian Mitchell
mitchell6...@gmail.com escribió:



 El 25 de abril de 2014, 11:54, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:18:46 -0300, Francisco javier escribió:

 (...)

  hola, he intentado lo que me habéis dicho, y no pude llegar al
  particionado, pero si logre configurar bien el disco, me temo que es
  problema de la controladora, mañana viernes intentare guiándome con
  esto
 
  http://elmanytas.es/?q=node/277

 Hum... no creo que eso sea necesario porque wheezy ya debería incluir
 soporte en el kernel para esa controladora aunque para asegurarse habría
 que saber el modelo exacto de la que tienes.

  me auto respondo, creo que este tema ya se había tocado en la lista,
  siento mucho no haberlo visto antes,
 
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2012/12/msg00652.html

 Pues sí... pero ojo, en ese hilo se habla de un servidor distinto (M4).

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si, la imagen de squeeze funciono a la perfección!

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Leandro

Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de segurança e
isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email enviado assim que uma
pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente divulgado,sendo claramente
listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam desrespeitadas vc pode sim
demitir.ou adverter o usuário.Entretanto acredito que privar não resolve
nada o Helio Loureiro aqui ja chegou a citar algo como coisa de gerente
que não sabe nada,querer privar.politica e importante sim mas cautela
ainda e o melhor remédio,o legal e criar a politica reunir todos da empresa
e divulgs-las mostrando o real motivo garantir a segurança das informações
da empresa. O ideal é vc se basear na iso 27001 para criar sua própria
politica. Abraco
Em 24/04/2014 16:09, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Trabalho em empresa do Governo aqui temos um documento enorme. Proíbe até
 uso de pendriver. Na minha opinião inútil, visto que para Justiça isso não
 tem valor, você não poderá demitir um usuário alegando justa coisa caso ele
 descumpra a norma, o melhor que você pode fazer é ter um bom filtro de
 conteúdo. E fazer campanhas via e-mail etc...

 Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
 Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

 #=+
 #!/usr/bin/env python
 nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
 email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
 print nome
 print email
 #==+


 Em 24 de abril de 2014 13:17, Cássio Elias 
 cassioel...@corples.com.brescreveu:

  Bom, acredito que o máximo que voce irá chegar seja o máximo que a
 administração passada chegou. Apenas um raciocínio.

 Agora, a ITIL não trabalha com esse tipo de documentação não?

 De uma olhada...se estiver errado me corrijam por favor.

 Em 24/04/2014 10:32, Fábio de Sousa escreveu:

  Um salve a todos,

  Amigos, estou precisando de algum documento que tenha políticas de uso
 na área de TI dentro de uma empresa, se possível deste o Administrador de
 Redes até o usuário final.
  Estou assumindo o setor de TI de uma empresa e disse que para o meu
 Diretor que precisamos tomar algumas medidas para  organizar a casa!
  Conversei com ele sobre alguns procedimentos, mas ele quer isso
 documentado, para ser assinado por ele e distribuído para todos!
 Alguém teria alguma documentação pronta, mesmo que as políticas não seja
 as mesmas que vou precisar aqui, mas para eu ter um parâmetro e escrever um
 documento, pelo menos com as medidas iniciais que tomaremos!
 Quem puder ajudar eu agradeço!
 Se quiser postar o link do documento aqui na lista tranquilo, mas se
 preferirem enviar para meu email: fabi...@gmail.com  - assim que
 concluir o documento, faço upload e envio para lista, talvez tenha mais
 alguém esteja precisando!


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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Cássio Elias

Acredito que um consenso comum, e um consenso individual sejam o melhor 
remédio.


Se o povo tiver que afundar por causa de nossos governantes, o planeta 
inteiro afunda, pois o planeta inteiro possui governos.


Em 25/04/2014 07:04, Leandro escreveu:


Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de 
segurança e isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email 
enviado assim que uma pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente 
divulgado,sendo claramente listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam 
desrespeitadas vc pode sim demitir.ou adverter o usuário.Entretanto 
acredito que privar não resolve nada o Helio Loureiro aqui ja chegou a 
citar algo como coisa de gerente que não sabe nada,querer 
privar.politica e importante sim mas cautela ainda e o melhor 
remédio,o legal e criar a politica reunir todos da empresa e 
divulgs-las mostrando o real motivo garantir a segurança das 
informações da empresa. O ideal é vc se basear na iso 27001 para criar 
sua própria politica. Abraco


Em 24/04/2014 16:09, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com 
mailto:sinva...@gmail.com escreveu:


Trabalho em empresa do Governo aqui temos um documento enorme.
Proíbe até uso de pendriver. Na minha opinião inútil, visto que
para Justiça isso não tem valor, você não poderá demitir um
usuário alegando justa coisa caso ele descumpra a norma, o melhor
que você pode fazer é ter um bom filtro de conteúdo. E fazer
campanhas via e-mail etc...

Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus
destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e
banners.

#=+
#!/usr/bin/env python
nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
print nome
print email
#==+


Em 24 de abril de 2014 13:17, Cássio Elias
cassioel...@corples.com.br mailto:cassioel...@corples.com.br
escreveu:

Bom, acredito que o máximo que voce irá chegar seja o máximo
que a administração passada chegou. Apenas um raciocínio.

Agora, a ITIL não trabalha com esse tipo de documentação não?

De uma olhada...se estiver errado me corrijam por favor.

Em 24/04/2014 10:32, Fábio de Sousa escreveu:

Um salve a todos,

Amigos, estou precisando de algum documento que tenha
políticas de uso na área de TI dentro de uma empresa, se
possível deste o Administrador de Redes até o usuário final.
Estou assumindo o setor de TI de uma empresa e disse que para
o meu Diretor que precisamos tomar algumas medidas para
 organizar a casa!
Conversei com ele sobre alguns procedimentos, mas ele quer
isso documentado, para ser assinado por ele e distribuído
para todos!
Alguém teria alguma documentação pronta, mesmo que as
políticas não seja as mesmas que vou precisar aqui, mas para
eu ter um parâmetro e escrever um documento, pelo menos com
as medidas iniciais que tomaremos!
Quem puder ajudar eu agradeço!
Se quiser postar o link do documento aqui na lista tranquilo,
mas se preferirem enviar para meu email: fabi...@gmail.com
mailto:fabi...@gmail.com  - assim que concluir o documento,
faço upload e envio para lista, talvez tenha mais alguém
esteja precisando!


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Re: rede 192.168.1.x enchergar a rede 192.168.2.x

2014-04-25 Thread Humberto A. Sousa


Boa tarde Vitor,

Hoje recebi uma notícia com um link que pode te interessar.

http://canaltech.com.br/tutorial/redes/Aprenda-a-amplificar-o-sinal-de-redes-wireless-usando-o-WDS/?utm_source=Canaltech+Oficialutm_campaign=1fc109dec7-UA-33160475-1utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_416ee9a6e7-1fc109dec7-73262665

Funcionando, avisa a gente.

Saudações,


Humberto Araujo de Sousa
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Em 18/04/2014 21:30, Vitor Hugo escreveu:

Como faço para a rede 192.168.1.x enchergar a rede 192.168.2.x

internet --- modem adsl (192.168.1.x) --- modem/roteador  wifi 
--- (192.168.2.x)


eu posso conectar um usb wifi e conectar via wifi a rede 192.168.2.x 
mas eu não queria fazer isto. outra solucao seria ligar o cabo de rede 
no modem/roteador wifi porem também não gostaria de fazer isto.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Sinval Júnior

Leandro,
Você pode demitir quem você quiser. Mais isto não serve como base para
justa causa. Sem falar que isso não vai garantir segurança para suar
informações. Visto que regras existem para serem quebradas. Se precisar de
fato garantir isto crie redes isoladas. E implemente regras no filtro.
Leandro se puder enviar a fonte deste estudos. O importante é cobrar
resultados. Nada haver cara acessar um Porta dos Fundos, ou mesmo um
WhatsApp. Até mesmo porque um bom ssh na porta 80 burla qualquer
proxy/filtro. Obs me refiro a redes internas usadas por usuários normal e
não a redes de servidores. Ai sim iso 27001.

Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
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2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
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#=+
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nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
print nome
print email
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Em 25 de abril de 2014 07:04, Leandro leandro...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de segurança e
 isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email enviado assim que uma
 pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente divulgado,sendo claramente
 listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam desrespeitadas vc pode sim
 demitir.ou adverter o usuário.Entretanto acredito que privar não resolve
 nada o Helio Loureiro aqui ja chegou a citar algo como coisa de gerente
 que não sabe nada,querer privar.politica e importante sim mas cautela
 ainda e o melhor remédio,o legal e criar a politica reunir todos da empresa
 e divulgs-las mostrando o real motivo garantir a segurança das informações
 da empresa. O ideal é vc se basear na iso 27001 para criar sua própria
 politica. Abraco
 Em 24/04/2014 16:09, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Trabalho em empresa do Governo aqui temos um documento enorme. Proíbe até
 uso de pendriver. Na minha opinião inútil, visto que para Justiça isso não
 tem valor, você não poderá demitir um usuário alegando justa coisa caso ele
 descumpra a norma, o melhor que você pode fazer é ter um bom filtro de
 conteúdo. E fazer campanhas via e-mail etc...

 Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
 Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

 #=+
 #!/usr/bin/env python
 nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
 email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
 print nome
 print email
 #==+


 Em 24 de abril de 2014 13:17, Cássio Elias 
 cassioel...@corples.com.brescreveu:

  Bom, acredito que o máximo que voce irá chegar seja o máximo que a
 administração passada chegou. Apenas um raciocínio.

 Agora, a ITIL não trabalha com esse tipo de documentação não?

 De uma olhada...se estiver errado me corrijam por favor.

 Em 24/04/2014 10:32, Fábio de Sousa escreveu:

  Um salve a todos,

  Amigos, estou precisando de algum documento que tenha políticas de uso
 na área de TI dentro de uma empresa, se possível deste o Administrador de
 Redes até o usuário final.
  Estou assumindo o setor de TI de uma empresa e disse que para o meu
 Diretor que precisamos tomar algumas medidas para  organizar a casa!
  Conversei com ele sobre alguns procedimentos, mas ele quer isso
 documentado, para ser assinado por ele e distribuído para todos!
 Alguém teria alguma documentação pronta, mesmo que as políticas não seja
 as mesmas que vou precisar aqui, mas para eu ter um parâmetro e escrever um
 documento, pelo menos com as medidas iniciais que tomaremos!
 Quem puder ajudar eu agradeço!
 Se quiser postar o link do documento aqui na lista tranquilo, mas se
 preferirem enviar para meu email: fabi...@gmail.com  - assim que
 concluir o documento, faço upload e envio para lista, talvez tenha mais
 alguém esteja precisando!


   Grato,

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Christian Rosa

 Indenpendente da política interna referente a tecnologia da Informação eu
entendo que se o usuário que foi admitido está ciente das sanções e
politicas, deve cumpri-las igualmente como qualquer outra politica interna
da empresa. E para cada descumprimento uma punição, que podem variar de
advertência verbal até demissão.
Ex: Uso de um refeitorio, existe uma politica e caso desreipeite existe uma
sanção, cumprimento do horário seria outro exemplo.
Sai um pouco do universo da tecnologia da informação para uma melhor
ilustração


Em 25 de abril de 2014 17:58, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Leandro,
 Você pode demitir quem você quiser. Mais isto não serve como base para
 justa causa. Sem falar que isso não vai garantir segurança para suar
 informações. Visto que regras existem para serem quebradas. Se precisar de
 fato garantir isto crie redes isoladas. E implemente regras no filtro.
 Leandro se puder enviar a fonte deste estudos. O importante é cobrar
 resultados. Nada haver cara acessar um Porta dos Fundos, ou mesmo um
 WhatsApp. Até mesmo porque um bom ssh na porta 80 burla qualquer
 proxy/filtro. Obs me refiro a redes internas usadas por usuários normal e
 não a redes de servidores. Ai sim iso 27001.

 Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
 Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

 #=+
 #!/usr/bin/env python
 nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
 email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
 print nome
 print email
 #==+


 Em 25 de abril de 2014 07:04, Leandro leandro...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de segurança e
 isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email enviado assim que uma
 pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente divulgado,sendo claramente
 listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam desrespeitadas vc pode sim
 demitir.ou adverter o usuário.Entretanto acredito que privar não resolve
 nada o Helio Loureiro aqui ja chegou a citar algo como coisa de gerente
 que não sabe nada,querer privar.politica e importante sim mas cautela
 ainda e o melhor remédio,o legal e criar a politica reunir todos da empresa
 e divulgs-las mostrando o real motivo garantir a segurança das informações
 da empresa. O ideal é vc se basear na iso 27001 para criar sua própria
 politica. Abraco
 Em 24/04/2014 16:09, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Trabalho em empresa do Governo aqui temos um documento enorme. Proíbe até
 uso de pendriver. Na minha opinião inútil, visto que para Justiça isso não
 tem valor, você não poderá demitir um usuário alegando justa coisa caso ele
 descumpra a norma, o melhor que você pode fazer é ter um bom filtro de
 conteúdo. E fazer campanhas via e-mail etc...

 Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
 Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

 #=+
 #!/usr/bin/env python
 nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
 email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
 print nome
 print email
 #==+


 Em 24 de abril de 2014 13:17, Cássio Elias 
 cassioel...@corples.com.brescreveu:

  Bom, acredito que o máximo que voce irá chegar seja o máximo que a
 administração passada chegou. Apenas um raciocínio.

 Agora, a ITIL não trabalha com esse tipo de documentação não?

 De uma olhada...se estiver errado me corrijam por favor.

 Em 24/04/2014 10:32, Fábio de Sousa escreveu:

  Um salve a todos,

  Amigos, estou precisando de algum documento que tenha políticas de
 uso na área de TI dentro de uma empresa, se possível deste o Administrador
 de Redes até o usuário final.
  Estou assumindo o setor de TI de uma empresa e disse que para o meu
 Diretor que precisamos tomar algumas medidas para  organizar a casa!
  Conversei com ele sobre alguns procedimentos, mas ele quer isso
 documentado, para ser assinado por ele e distribuído para todos!
 Alguém teria alguma documentação pronta, mesmo que as políticas não
 seja as mesmas que vou precisar aqui, mas para eu ter um parâmetro e
 escrever um documento, pelo menos com as medidas iniciais que tomaremos!
 Quem puder ajudar eu agradeço!
 Se quiser postar o link do documento aqui na lista tranquilo, mas se
 preferirem enviar para meu email: fabi...@gmail.com  - assim que
 concluir o documento, faço upload e envio para lista, talvez tenha mais
 alguém esteja precisando!


   Grato,

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 Sousa
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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Brad Rogers

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:52:13 -0500
Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:

Hello Stan,

You're asking specifically about an account for list mail only in this
thread.  None of these concerns apply.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I dare you), but I don't think it's your
decision whether the concerns apply to Patrick.

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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote:
  
   Patrick Bartek:

I don't need lots of storage or big attachment sizes (or any
attachments really), but I do need IMAP, so I can use Claws.  It
must be reasonably secure and dependable, i.e, good up times.
   
   I didn't read the whole thread, but I didn't see anyone stepping
   up and offering some space on their own servers.
   
   I have a virtual server running wheezy with Dovecot, dspam,
   policyd-weight, ClamAV, Roundcube, OwnCloud and whatnot. Storage
   is becoming a little bit constrained but otherwise the machine is
   pretty much idle. I have only three other e-mail users beside
   myself plus the occasional web visitor.
   
   So, if someone needs an account for mail, CardDAV/CalDAV (great
   for Android sync!) or little bit of web space: just ask. I do
   care about security and availability because I use this system
   heavily myself. Obviously, I cannot guarantee anything, though,
   and you have to trust me with your data. In any case I recommend
   encrypting and backing up your own stuff.
  
  Thanks for the kind and considerate offer, but last night I was
  successful in setting up a new gmail account (without Google+) for
  my mail lists subscriptions.  I'll post here how I did it as soon as
  everything is tested and configured.
 
 I seem to have some Google thingy, just because I joined some mailing
 list, but without having a gmail account.

I don't understand.  Could you be a little more specific?  Are you
saying that you've been signed up for a Google or Google+ account by
joining some mail list?

B


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

 On 4/24/2014 12:03 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
  
  On 4/19/2014 3:38 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 
  What with my authentication problems with my Yahoo Mail address on
  this list, anyone have personal recommendations for a good, free
  email service ... to run my lists subcriptions through?
 
  You have Cox broadband.  Why aren't you using Cox IMAP?  Most
  broadband providers offer multiple email accounts per service
  connection.  Create an account for list mail.  Done.
  
  Years ago, when I initially switched to Cox from dialup, and had to
  deal with the hassle of notifying everyone of my new addresses, I
  decided I needed email addresses (for business and personal) that
  wouldn't ever change regardless of where I resided, or who I worked
  for, or what Internet provider I used, or even especially if I had
  one.  So, that meant Cox was out. Even though I did consider it, I
  opted to stick with my original decade plus old plan.  It's way
  more practical.
 
 You're asking specifically about an account for list mail only in this
 thread.  None of these concerns apply.

Of course, they do.  To me.  Obviously, not to you.  But I'm the one
doing the emailing.  So, I'm the one who gets to decide if it matters.

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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:33 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
   On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote:
   
Patrick Bartek:
 
 I don't need lots of storage or big attachment sizes (or any
 attachments really), but I do need IMAP, so I can use Claws.  It
 must be reasonably secure and dependable, i.e, good up times.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I didn't see anyone stepping
up and offering some space on their own servers.

I have a virtual server running wheezy with Dovecot, dspam,
policyd-weight, ClamAV, Roundcube, OwnCloud and whatnot. Storage
is becoming a little bit constrained but otherwise the machine is
pretty much idle. I have only three other e-mail users beside
myself plus the occasional web visitor.

So, if someone needs an account for mail, CardDAV/CalDAV (great
for Android sync!) or little bit of web space: just ask. I do
care about security and availability because I use this system
heavily myself. Obviously, I cannot guarantee anything, though,
and you have to trust me with your data. In any case I recommend
encrypting and backing up your own stuff.
   
   Thanks for the kind and considerate offer, but last night I was
   successful in setting up a new gmail account (without Google+) for
   my mail lists subscriptions.  I'll post here how I did it as soon as
   everything is tested and configured.
  
  I seem to have some Google thingy, just because I joined some mailing
  list, but without having a gmail account.
 
 I don't understand.  Could you be a little more specific?  Are you
 saying that you've been signed up for a Google or Google+ account by
 joining some mail list?

Yesno, there was the need to have a Google account to open and/or to
join a mailing list. Some time ago the Arch Linux mailing list was
moderated and some users disliked it, so we searched for an alternative.
Google provided it, but they want more data about the users, than a
subscription with an email address only.



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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 4/25/2014 1:02 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:52:13 -0500
 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
 
 Hello Stan,
 
 You're asking specifically about an account for list mail only in this
 thread.  None of these concerns apply.
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong (I dare you), but I don't think it's your
 decision whether the concerns apply to Patrick.

I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a
dedicated account for list mail.  I didn't think it necessary to explain
the blindingly obvious, to quote your sig, but apparently that is
necessary after all.  So, stating the obvious...

One can change a list mail account willy nilly, and the only
notification required is changing the subscription address for each
list.  Thus, again, the concerns Patrick mentioned do not apply to a
dedicated list mail account.

Given your sniping remark and dare, some predisposition you have
against me prevented you from applying the logic of your own signature.

Cheers,

Stan


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Re: install cinnamon

2014-04-25 Thread Stephen Allen

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 01:40:11PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:
 Stephen Allen:
  On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 02:58:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
  On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 11:48:11 +0100, Brian wrote:
  
  It would be interesting to know whether this is successful for you.
  
  On the segfault site Martins provides cinnamon-build.tar.gz. If you
  trust the packages it contains (installing random debs found on the web
  isn't recommended) Cinnamon might run for you on Wheezy after you get
  network-manager-gnome.
  
  
  
  ---end quoted text---
  
  Why was Cinnamon removed from the Debian Repos?
 
 It wasn't. It is just only available in sid at the moment:
 https://packages.debian.org/cinnamon

Thanks.
 
  Much rather have it than Mate. No one wanted to package it and/or
  maintain it? Where do these discussions happen?
 
 Probably either in a bug report or on debian-devel.
 
 Judging from the state of cinnamon in Debian (package version and
 activity in the BTS), it appears that the maintainers need some help to
 get Cinnamon into shape before it can be released with Debian.

Truly wish I had the skills to help 


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Brad Rogers

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:03:44 -0500
Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:

Hello Stan,

I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a

Some people (me for one) have over 100 mailing list subscriptions.
Using an ISP provided email address to run that lot is asinine.

One can change a list mail account willy nilly, and the only
notification required is changing the subscription address for each
list.  Thus, again, the concerns Patrick mentioned do not apply to a

Like I said, that could be over 100 lists.  No mean feat, achieving
the required transition of that many accounts to a new address without a
certain amount of frustration, even if some of those accounts are run
from the same server, and all relevant list addresses can be changed at
once.  I'd have to make something like 70 changes of address for the 100
or so lists I subscribe to.  I don't fancy that, hence using a non ISP
account for list mail.

I've no idea what number of lists Patrick is subbed to, but even if it's
just this one, and he decides it's too much of a faff to change the
subscription details every time he changes ISP, it's his choice.

Given your sniping remark and dare, some predisposition you have
against me prevented you from applying the logic of your own signature.

Just the sheer arrogance demonstrated by your position:  Stan's right,
Patrick is wrong.

Summing up, then:  Stating the blindingly obvious, which was not
immediately apparent to you, it's Patrick's choice not yours.

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On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:43 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:03:44 -0500
 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
 
 Hello Stan,
 
 I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a
 
 Some people (me for one) have over 100 mailing list subscriptions.
 Using an ISP provided email address to run that lot is asinine.
 
 One can change a list mail account willy nilly, and the only
 notification required is changing the subscription address for each
 list.  Thus, again, the concerns Patrick mentioned do not apply to a
 
 Like I said, that could be over 100 lists.  No mean feat, achieving
 the required transition of that many accounts to a new address without a
 certain amount of frustration, even if some of those accounts are run
 from the same server, and all relevant list addresses can be changed at
 once.  I'd have to make something like 70 changes of address for the 100
 or so lists I subscribe to.  I don't fancy that, hence using a non ISP
 account for list mail.
 
 I've no idea what number of lists Patrick is subbed to, but even if it's
 just this one, and he decides it's too much of a faff to change the
 subscription details every time he changes ISP, it's his choice.
 
 Given your sniping remark and dare, some predisposition you have
 against me prevented you from applying the logic of your own signature.
 
 Just the sheer arrogance demonstrated by your position:  Stan's right,
 Patrick is wrong.
 
 Summing up, then:  Stating the blindingly obvious, which was not
 immediately apparent to you, it's Patrick's choice not yours.

Resume, it's piss that some of us experience issues when using mailing
lists. There are serious issues. I already pointed out that folks
subscribe to a mailman lists, should log in, to get aware about their
bounce scores.



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Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'


Le 24.04.2014 11:53, James Collier a écrit :

Hi Berenger (and all),

Thanks very much for the replies.
My installed dconf packages and versions:
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache search dconf | grep dconf
dconf-cli - simple configuration storage system - utilities
 dconf-editor - simple configuration storage system - utilities
dconf-gsettings-backend - simple configuration storage system -
GSettings back-end
dconf-service - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus service
 dconf-tools - transitional dummy package
libdconf-dbg - simple configuration storage system - debugging
symbols
libdconf-dbus-1-0 - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus
library
libdconf-dbus-1-dbg - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus
debug symbols
 libdconf-dbus-1-dev - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus
development files
libdconf-dev - simple configuration storage system - development
files
libdconf-doc - simple configuration storage system - documentation
 libdconf1 - simple configuration storage system - runtime library
upstart-dconf-bridge - DConf bridge for upstart
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache policy dconf-service
dconf-service:
  Installed: 0.18.0-1
  Candidate: 0.18.0-1
   Version table:
 *** 0.18.0-1 0
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [2] sid/main amd64
Packages
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [3] testing/main
amd64 Packages
     100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache policy libdconf1
libdconf1:
  Installed: 0.18.0-1
  Candidate: 0.18.0-1
  Version table:
 *** 0.18.0-1 0
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [4] sid/main amd64
Packages
     500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [5] testing/main
amd64 Packages
    100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache policy libdconf-dbus-1-0
 libdconf-dbus-1-0:
   Installed: 0.18.0-1
  Candidate: 0.18.0-1
  Version table:
 *** 0.18.0-1 0
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [6] sid/main amd64
Packages
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [7] testing/main
amd64 Packages
     100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

How do I check that all recommended packages are selected?


It depends on the tools you are accustomed to.
Personally, I use aptitude with it's ncurse semi-graphical interface.


I've just
done a tasksel and noticed Debian desktop environment wasn't
selected, but laptop was. Unfortunately the dconf problem persists.



As for ~/.share, it doesn't exist on my system.


My mistake: I meant ~/.cache a


Thanks,

James

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:11 PM,  wrote:


Le 23.04.2014 09:00, James Collier a écrit :


Hello everyone,
first time posting here. Yay!
I've been having trouble with this dconf bug for some time now.
And
no solution on google seems to help.
 To get this error all I need to do is try to change a setting.
e.g.
open terminal:
$ gnome-calculator
Open preferences, change e.g. word size from 64 bits to 32 bits
close the preferences dialog
 close the gnome-calculator application and a bunch of:
(gnome-calculator:18860): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit
changes
to dconf: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod:
No
such method 'Change'
 warnings pop up. Same thing happens if I want to change
desktop
background.
So what have I tried to fix it:
* deleted '~/.config/dconf/user'
* deleted '~/.config/dconf'
 * restarted
* updated all packages

FYI I'm running stock unstable fully updated. I'm starting to
think
the fault is mine but no idea where to start. Could someone
please
help me?
 Also can you CC the reply to me as I'm not subscribed to the
list.

Yours,
James Collier


Which package exactly do you have about dconf? What I can see on



https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=allarch=amd64searchon=nameskeywords=dconf

[1] is that the only dconf package is only in old-stable. Since you
are in unstable, I strongly doubt that you are using this one...

I was thinking that it could be a bug introduced in unstable, but
all dconf* packages seems to have the same version in testing, so

my

original idea about downgrading is not applicable here. Do you have
all recommended packages installed? One might miss, which would

lead

to that kind of warning. In this case, you could then report the
problem back to Debian, since it would be a bug. And since you have
removed and recreated all your configuration files about dconf, I
would not be surprised of this.

Also, you could check if there is related stuff in ~/.share/dconf,
and you could try to regenerate ~/.share/dbus + ~/.config/dbus.

Hope it helps.




Links:
--
[1]

https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all|+|amp|+|arch=amd64|+|amp|+|searchon=names|+|amp|+|keywords=dconf
[2] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
[3] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
[4] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
[5] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
[6] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
[7] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
[8] mailto:berenger.mo...@neutralite.org



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Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'




Le 25.04.2014 14:01, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :

Le 24.04.2014 11:53, James Collier a écrit :

Hi Berenger (and all),

Thanks very much for the replies.
My installed dconf packages and versions:
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache search dconf | grep dconf
dconf-cli - simple configuration storage system - utilities
 dconf-editor - simple configuration storage system - utilities
dconf-gsettings-backend - simple configuration storage system -
GSettings back-end
dconf-service - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus service
 dconf-tools - transitional dummy package
libdconf-dbg - simple configuration storage system - debugging
symbols
libdconf-dbus-1-0 - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus
library
libdconf-dbus-1-dbg - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus
debug symbols
 libdconf-dbus-1-dev - simple configuration storage system - D-Bus
development files
libdconf-dev - simple configuration storage system - development
files
libdconf-doc - simple configuration storage system - documentation
 libdconf1 - simple configuration storage system - runtime library
upstart-dconf-bridge - DConf bridge for upstart
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache policy dconf-service
dconf-service:
  Installed: 0.18.0-1
  Candidate: 0.18.0-1
   Version table:
 *** 0.18.0-1 0
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [2] sid/main amd64
Packages
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [3] testing/main
amd64 Packages
     100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache policy libdconf1
libdconf1:
  Installed: 0.18.0-1
  Candidate: 0.18.0-1
  Version table:
 *** 0.18.0-1 0
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [4] sid/main amd64
Packages
     500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [5] testing/main
amd64 Packages
    100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache policy libdconf-dbus-1-0
 libdconf-dbus-1-0:
   Installed: 0.18.0-1
  Candidate: 0.18.0-1
  Version table:
 *** 0.18.0-1 0
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [6] sid/main amd64
Packages
    500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [7] testing/main
amd64 Packages
     100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Wow, classic DEs are really bloated...
Since those packages does have the same versions as in testing, I doubt 
that the problem comes from version.
But you really did not installed  *-dev and *-dbg packages? They are 
completely useless for normal users. *-dev files are useful for 
programmers, and *-dbg... well, I do not know what the hell they are, I 
never really had to debug a package in Debian with them, I usually 
prefer to download mainstream versions and try to fix things there :)

Anyway...



How do I check that all recommended packages are selected?


It depends on the tools you are accustomed to.
Personally, I use aptitude with it's ncurse semi-graphical interface.


I've just
done a tasksel and noticed Debian desktop environment wasn't
selected, but laptop was. Unfortunately the dconf problem 
persists.



As for ~/.share, it doesn't exist on my system.


My mistake: I meant ~/.cache a


... Sorry, my fingers took the wrong path...

I meant ~/.cache and ~/.local.
You could also remove stuff like ~/.dbus. Oh, and not removing them, in 
fact, simply moving them somewhere else, just in case.


If the problem is not solved, and to be sure the problem does not come 
from something in your home, you can just try to create a new user, 
log-in with it, and check if the problem still happen. If yes, then the 
problem is probably a bug in something and you will probably could use 
reportbug.


I can not really help a lot more, I never really used any big DE, and 
one of the things I usually does on my systems is to disable dbus 
daemons and other kind of things which are used to make linux more like 
windows ( dconf is an alternative of regedit, in my opinion. And this 
is bad, still in my opinion. )


PS: On this mailing list, we strongly encourage bottom-posting, versus 
top-posting, because it makes things easier for other people to jump 
into the discussion.



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Re: Systemd




Le 25.04.2014 06:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:32 -0400, staticsafe wrote:

 Have you read this stupid things?


At least the argument regarding to journalctl isn't stupid. Making a 
log

file binary indeed is the most worse the systemd developers could do.


You know, things like dbus, dconf, and systemd makes me think that 
tomorrow, linux distributions might looks like Microsoft's OSes ( 
regedit, binary logs, etc ). Luckily, Debian supports BSD kernel, and I 
am intrigued by those kernels since a long time. I think that in a not 
far future I'll give a try to Debian kFreeBSD. Learning how things works 
somewhere else is always a good thing.
In the past, it ( switching from windows to debian ) helped me to 
understand that Windows is not as buggy as I thought ( the truth being 
that softwares build to run on windows are buggy, not especially windows 
by itself, which is different ).



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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Rees

My initial reaction was, what happened that would induce Poettering to have
sock puppets post attempts at poisoning the well like this?

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:15 AM, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:

 Hello list:
 Have you read this stupid things?


Then I thought, maybe it's an attempt to funnel readers to a blog post.

Eventually I decided to read the posts being ostensibly belittled.

http://boycottsystemd.org/
 https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/


I have to admit, that's hard reading. The other is not.



 https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/


so I searched the web for Kay Sievers, and now I understand.

We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain
leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main
branch the meaningless one going forward.

No, I don't know which side these sock puppets are on. It doesn't matter.

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Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:

 I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems to
 work with everything using python, but hplip wants the pure version
 of python rather than the unofficial version provided by
 deb.mozilla.net.  So I am back to Andrei's proposed solution, which I
 will not be able to try until next month.

As you said

  Apt-get will not however install package python-dev 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

So instead of working against 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 why not co-operate with
it and install python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1? It is obtainable from

  http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-esr/p/python-defaults/

'dpkg -i' should get it put on the system. It works for me but YMMV.


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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 19:29:59 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 10:45:13 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
 
  On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote:
   
   That can be done using http://localhost:631
  
  I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular
  printer mentioned above.
 
 If CUPS cannot find a PPD how do you expect hplip to conjure one up?

Easily when using 'sh hplip-3.14.4.run'! I was thinking of an install of
Squeeze's hp packages. Thanks to Curt for getting me back on the straight
and narrow.


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Re: Systemd

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain
leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main branch
the meaningless one going forward.

I'm a user, not a kernel dev, and definitely not someone who's majorly
into politics. A few years ago, unsatisfied with sysvinit, I started
installing Upstart on all my Debian systems, and apart from being
unable to use apt-get dist-upgrade (which asks to remove upstart and
reinstall sysvinit), everything worked fine. Now, with Debian Jessie
on the way, I've started learning systemd, because Upstart is
apparently a dead end, and systemd is the way to go.

Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if
that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into
learning systemd? I get very tired of the endless arguments (Open
Office vs Libre Office, cdrecord vs wodim, ffmpeg vs avconv - at least
in those cases, the replacement is mostly drop-in), and frankly, I
have a highly pragmatic approach to my init system: it should boot my
system, and it should be possible for me to configure a program to be
invoked. So is systemd the future, or are we going to have another
massive argument?

ChrisA

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Re: Systemd




Le 25.04.2014 15:59, Chris Angelico a écrit :
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com 
wrote:


We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as 
certain
leaders in the community are confident they can make the current 
main branch

the meaningless one going forward.


I'm a user, not a kernel dev, and definitely not someone who's 
majorly

into politics. A few years ago, unsatisfied with sysvinit, I started
installing Upstart on all my Debian systems, and apart from being
unable to use apt-get dist-upgrade (which asks to remove upstart 
and

reinstall sysvinit), everything worked fine. Now, with Debian Jessie
on the way, I've started learning systemd, because Upstart is
apparently a dead end, and systemd is the way to go.

Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if
that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into
learning systemd? I get very tired of the endless arguments (Open
Office vs Libre Office, cdrecord vs wodim, ffmpeg vs avconv - at 
least

in those cases, the replacement is mostly drop-in), and frankly, I
have a highly pragmatic approach to my init system: it should boot my
system, and it should be possible for me to configure a program to be
invoked. So is systemd the future,


My opinion is that major distributions will not change every day their 
init systems, so I guess systemd administration can be reliably learned.


That some users like this, or not, do not change the fact that they do 
not decide for maintainers.



or are we going to have another massive argument?


It's like discussing about new versions of gnome. I would be surprised 
if no trolling follows in this thread, sooner or later.




ChrisA



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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 04:45:09PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
 
 
 My opinion is that major distributions will not change every day their init
 systems, so I guess systemd administration can be reliably learned.
 
 That some users like this, or not, do not change the fact that they do not
 decide for maintainers.
 
 or are we going to have another massive argument?
 
 It's like discussing about new versions of gnome. I would be surprised if no
 trolling follows in this thread, sooner or later.
 

It would be nice to see a comparison of features without any kind of
judgement of each merit or con.

As soon as people start saying this feature is better then that one
that's when the cat gets loose I think, no trolling needed, just stating
oppinions is enough. We all have our oppinions but there are some
technical differences between sysvinit and systemd that would be nice to
have.

Cheers, Oli


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Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:33 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  
   On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote:

 Patrick Bartek:
  
  I don't need lots of storage or big attachment sizes (or any
  attachments really), but I do need IMAP, so I can use
  Claws.  It must be reasonably secure and dependable, i.e,
  good up times.
 
 I didn't read the whole thread, but I didn't see anyone
 stepping up and offering some space on their own servers.
 
 I have a virtual server running wheezy with Dovecot, dspam,
 policyd-weight, ClamAV, Roundcube, OwnCloud and whatnot.
 Storage is becoming a little bit constrained but otherwise
 the machine is pretty much idle. I have only three other
 e-mail users beside myself plus the occasional web visitor.
 
 So, if someone needs an account for mail, CardDAV/CalDAV
 (great for Android sync!) or little bit of web space: just
 ask. I do care about security and availability because I use
 this system heavily myself. Obviously, I cannot guarantee
 anything, though, and you have to trust me with your data. In
 any case I recommend encrypting and backing up your own stuff.

Thanks for the kind and considerate offer, but last night I was
successful in setting up a new gmail account (without Google+)
for my mail lists subscriptions.  I'll post here how I did it
as soon as everything is tested and configured.
   
   I seem to have some Google thingy, just because I joined some
   mailing list, but without having a gmail account.
  
  I don't understand.  Could you be a little more specific?  Are you
  saying that you've been signed up for a Google or Google+ account by
  joining some mail list?
 
 Yesno, there was the need to have a Google account to open and/or to
 join a mailing list. Some time ago the Arch Linux mailing list was
 moderated and some users disliked it, so we searched for an
 alternative. Google provided it, but they want more data about the
 users, than a subscription with an email address only.

Okay. I see what you mean.  I'm familiar with what you're talking
about. Had a contract with a company that used it.  Google Forum, I
think it was called.

B


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Re: Systemd

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson
ojs...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice to see a comparison of features without any kind of
judgement of each merit or con.

As soon as people start saying this feature is better then that one
that's when the cat gets loose I think, no trolling needed, just stating
oppinions is enough. We all have our oppinions but there are some
technical differences between sysvinit and systemd that would be nice to
have.

Well, we have a fine generic subject line for this. I'll start by
saying what I like about each of sysvinit and Upstart, and what my
understanding is of systemd based on docs readings. Please, folks, no
trolling, but just good clean discussion!

1) sysvinit works with all the existing scripts that have been around
for donkey's years. I understand systemd happily reads them, although
I'm not sure if the top comment block is a requirement for that. (With
Upstart, this isn't the case. I had to craft Upstart job files for
services like Apache and PostgreSQL before I could have my own
services depend on them.)

2) Upstart job files are easy to write, and follow an efficient
declarative style (setuid blah, start on net-device-up). A systemd
config file is also fairly clean and declarative.

3) Upstart manages job lifetimes completely, including following
processes through forking and daemonization. AIUI systemd does the
same.

4) Upstart dependencies can be described fairly simply (start on
started foobar will start this service when foobar finishes
starting). Systemd goes further and actually records that this depends
on that, rather than just firing one and then another.

5) Upstart parallelizes boot. If two jobs depend on the same parent
and have no inter-dependencies, they'll be started simultaneously.
Systemd does the same.

Let the corrections and additions begin!

ChrisA

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dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate

2014-04-25 Thread The Wanderer

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I'm presently seeing a rather odd behavior, in two parts.

My system currently has no installed packages which are considered
candidates for autoremoval:


root@apologia:/home/wanderer# apt-get autoremove
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 104 not upgraded.


When I attempt to dist-upgrade, it lists packages for autoremoval. This
is presumably because they will become unneeded after the upgrade of
other packages.

However, one of the packages listed for autoremoval is also in the list
of new packages which will be installed by the dist-upgrade process:


root@apologia:/home/wanderer# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:
  librtmp0:i386 libzita-alsa-pcmi0 libzita-resampler1 uuid-dev
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gir1.2-atspi-2.0 libatspi2.0-dev librtmp1 librtmp1:i386
libsdl-gfx1.2-5 libzita-alsa-pcmi0 libzita-resampler1 nettle-dev
startpar uuid-dev


uuid-dev is in both lists. (And is not presently installed.)

This is obviously a bug somewhere (albeit probably not a severe one in
practice), but I'm not even sure what package the bug would be in.

Any hints, or ideas what might be going on here?

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Re: System

On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 02:45:21 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

 Let the corrections and additions begin!

Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708

  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708

carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say.

We know the default init system for Jessie will be systemd. If memebers
of this list are concerned about new users (who will just want the
system to boot correctly) it is the only thing of importance.


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Re: System

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708

   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708

 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say.

... and if I read all of the seven thousand posts there, I won't have
time left in the week to actually get anything done! Wow. I thought
python-ideas had long discussions.

ChrisA


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Re: System

On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 03:36:09 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
  Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708
 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708
 
  carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say.
 
 ... and if I read all of the seven thousand posts there, I won't have
 time left in the week to actually get anything done! Wow. I thought
 python-ideas had long discussions.

Reading all of them would make people better informed.

If there were seven thousand posts in response to your invitation to
unleash the dogs of war the purpose of this list would be perverted.


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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Steve Litt

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:26:43 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

 
 
 Le 25.04.2014 06:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
  On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:32 -0400, staticsafe wrote:
   Have you read this stupid things?
 
  At least the argument regarding to journalctl isn't stupid. Making
  a log
  file binary indeed is the most worse the systemd developers could
  do.
 
 You know, things like dbus, dconf, and systemd makes me think that 
 tomorrow, linux distributions might looks like Microsoft's OSes ( 
 regedit, binary logs, etc ). 

I've had that same thought. Add grub2 to the list. What is this love
affair with complexity that the Linux community is beginning to have?

And don't get me started on opaque (though transparency enhanced)
desktops like Gnome3 and Unity, or the system-crashery of KDE.

Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it?  As a kid,
I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with
a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky
to be able to change the air filter.

Of course, cars have an excuse: they need to increase mileage and
decrease pollution. What excuse do we have in Linux? We want to boot a
little faster? We want to make the computer accessible to the guy who
needs to be stepped through the finger sequences of pressing Ctrl+C?
We want a pretty picture on the boot screen to remind the user of the
good old days of Windows?

And at what cost? The malfunction of your systemd log-viewing will, by
definition, occur exactly the time you need to view the logs most.
Waiting for the modern monitor's cycling through every possible
resolution, and missing the first half of your boot because Grub2 set a
frame-buffer just as the monitor sync'ed with the 80x24 text of the
initial boot. And, Googling for a way to shut off the frame-buffer, and
for every one of the multitudinous solutions posted, there are five or
so for whom the solution didn't work. The frustration of the former
newbie whose formerly convenient Unity turns into a maze-venued easter
egg hunt when he starts running more than ten or whatever programs.

People ask me why I run Debian. For starters, no Plymouth. I don't even
have to have lightdm: I can use startx. If I want, I can still manually
edit my networking. It makes no assumptions about my desired desktop
environment: I don't need to use a different distro just to get my
desktop without the (bloated) others. Debian is like an OpenBSD that
has all the programs already ported to it, and can do a good job
running Xfce or LXDE or OpenBox. Or, to put it another way, it's like a
FreeBSD with a package manager you can trust. With Debian, Vim is my
adjustable wrench.

I don't look forward to having separate tool just to look at my logs.
And I fear something else...

Talk to people who owned cars in the 1960's, and they'll all tell you
how much they miss having cars they can actually work on. I hope in
five or ten years we don't hear Linux old-timers reminiscing about the
days when you could recover a borked Linux computer just by booting a
live CD.

SteveT

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Re: Systemd

On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 23:59 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
 Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if
 that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into
 learning systemd?

Systemd is the future. I'm using it with Arch Linux. For my Debian
install I enjoy SysVinit and I will use it as long as possible, before I
switch to systemd for Debian too. IOW I dislike systemd, but indeed,
investing time for learning systemd isn't wrong.



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Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Rob van der Putten


Hi there


Brian wrote:


Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708

   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708

carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say.

We know the default init system for Jessie will be systemd. If memebers
of this list are concerned about new users (who will just want the
system to boot correctly) it is the only thing of importance.


That thing is huge. There enough text in there to fill a book.

How do I change the boot order? Is there a howto on that?
Right now I just do 'some_program ' and it's like a daemon. I can do 
that with sysvinit and insserv. How about systemd?

Do I need to recompile daemon to run with systemd?
I read that systemd runs cronjobs at midnight. Can I change that?


Regards,
Rob


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Re: Systemd

On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it?  As a kid,
 I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with
 a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky
 to be able to change the air filter.

That's a nice analogy :). We could repair our old cars using a hammer
and screwdriver, today we need to be computer experts to repair a car.


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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Tom Furie

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:18PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
  Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it?  As a kid,
  I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with
  a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky
  to be able to change the air filter.
 
 That's a nice analogy :). We could repair our old cars using a hammer
 and screwdriver, today we need to be computer experts to repair a car.

I know qualified car mechanics whose toolkit for their own cars is a
mobile phone and a credit card.

Cheers,
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Re: Systemd

On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
  Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it?  As a kid,
  I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with
  a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky
  to be able to change the air filter.
 
 That's a nice analogy :). We could repair our old cars using a hammer
 and screwdriver, today we need to be computer experts to repair a car.

For example, to correct idling mixture there under the hood was a screw
on the carburetor, nowadays there's a connector for a computer inside
the driver's cab. Assumed your car strikes in the middle of the
wilderness, what kind of car do you prefer?


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Re: System

On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 21:58:30 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote:

 Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708
 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708
 
 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say.
 
 We know the default init system for Jessie will be systemd. If memebers
 of this list are concerned about new users (who will just want the
 system to boot correctly) it is the only thing of importance.
 
 That thing is huge. There enough text in there to fill a book.

It shows the extent of the importance and deliberation the Technical
Committee gave to the issue.

 How do I change the boot order? Is there a howto on that?
 Right now I just do 'some_program ' and it's like a daemon. I can
 do that with sysvinit and insserv. How about systemd?
 Do I need to recompile daemon to run with systemd?
 I read that systemd runs cronjobs at midnight. Can I change that?

These questions would be better submitted as separate posts so they do
not become swallowed by an unrelated thread.


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Re: Systemd

On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:17 +0100, Tom Furie wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:18PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
   Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it?  As a kid,
   I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with
   a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky
   to be able to change the air filter.
  
  That's a nice analogy :). We could repair our old cars using a hammer
  and screwdriver, today we need to be computer experts to repair a car.
 
 I know qualified car mechanics whose toolkit for their own cars is a
 mobile phone and a credit card.

:D

IOW in the wilderness even qualified car mechanics are lost nowadays.
My car knowledge is rudimentary, but I'm able to repair an old school
car.


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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Heard

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On 2014-04-25 10:03, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
 
 I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems
 to work with everything using python, but hplip wants the pure
 version of python rather than the unofficial version provided
 by deb.mozilla.net.  So I am back to Andrei's proposed solution,
 which I will not be able to try until next month.
 
 As you said
 
 Apt-get will not however install package python-dev
 2.6.6-3+squeeze7
 
 So instead of working against 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 why not co-operate
 with it and install python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1? It is obtainable
 from
 
 http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-esr/p/python-defaults/
 
 'dpkg -i' should get it put on the system. It works for me but
 YMMV.

I tried what you suggested.  The response I received when I ran that
command follows.
- -
BDS:~# dpkg -i
/usr/local/share/hplip-3.14.4/python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package python-dev.
(Reading database ... 141562 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking python-dev (from .../python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-dev:
 python-dev depends on python2.6-dev (= 2.6.6-1~); however:
  Package python2.6-dev is not installed.
dpkg: error processing python-dev (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 python-dev
- --

Regards, Ken




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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Dale Harris

Well, I have great amount of respect for Ts'o and Linus, they are both
very, very smart. Also I have a friend who is rather adept at
programming and he's been going through the systemd code and has been
bitching about it a lot. So all that second hand negative opinion
tends to make me a bit nervous about systemd. Then also recently
there was a patch for systemd related to screen temporary files. Why
does systemd need to be aware of screen? Is it going to get to the
point where systemd must be aware of each and every application's
temporary files and whatever else? Soon systemd will just become the
OS, there will be no Linux...

I have been using it, it seems fine most of the time. A couples times
it refused to shutdown my system, which was a bit puzzling. I haven't
been able to reliably recreate the problem. After a power cycle, file
systems needed checking. So it still has a few bugs, and I'm not
really using it that hard, this is only a desktop.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
Hello list:
Have you read this stupid things?

http://boycottsystemd.org/
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/

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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 18:07:45 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:

 I tried what you suggested.  The response I received when I ran that
 command follows.
 - -
 BDS:~# dpkg -i
 /usr/local/share/hplip-3.14.4/python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb
 Selecting previously deselected package python-dev.
 (Reading database ... 141562 files and directories currently installed.)
 Unpacking python-dev (from .../python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb) ...
 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-dev:
  python-dev depends on python2.6-dev (= 2.6.6-1~); however:
   Package python2.6-dev is not installed.
 dpkg: error processing python-dev (--install):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  python-dev

Does python2.6-dev not install?


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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 23:35:27 +0100, Brian wrote:

 Does python2.6-dev not install?

Forgot.

apt-get install python2.6-dev

or

apt-get -f install



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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread David Glover-Aoki

On 25 Apr 2014, at 03:04 pm, Dale Harris rod...@gmail.com wrote:

 Soon systemd will just become the OS, there will be no Linux...

I am genuinely convinced that this is the ultimate goal of the systemd devs.

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Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Heard

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On 2014-04-25 18:07, Ken Heard wrote:
 On 2014-04-25 10:03, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
 
 I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which
 seems to work with everything using python, but hplip wants the
 pure version of python rather than the unofficial version
 provided by deb.mozilla.net.  So I am back to Andrei's proposed
 solution, which I will not be able to try until next month.
 
 As you said
 
 Apt-get will not however install package python-dev 
 2.6.6-3+squeeze7
 
 So instead of working against 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 why not
 co-operate with it and install python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1? It is
 obtainable from
 
 http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-esr/p/python-defaults/
 
 'dpkg -i' should get it put on the system. It works for me but 
 YMMV.
 
 I tried what you suggested.  The response I received when I ran
 that command follows. - 
 BDS:~# dpkg -i 
 /usr/local/share/hplip-3.14.4/python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb 
 Selecting previously deselected package python-dev. (Reading
 database ... 141562 files and directories currently installed.) 
 Unpacking python-dev (from .../python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb)
 ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-dev: 
 python-dev depends on python2.6-dev (= 2.6.6-1~); however: Package
 python2.6-dev is not installed. dpkg: error processing python-dev
 (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were
 encountered while processing: python-dev 
 --

After receiving the previous message it occurred to me to try to
install python2.6-dev. I did so successfully.  I then ran your command
once again; python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 was this time successfully
installed.

Next was the smoke test; I ran command sh hplip-3.14.4.run.  It ran
through successfully all the steps except one; it could not install
package cupsys-bsd because that package does not exist in Squeeze --
it is succeeded by cups-bsd.  When hplip-3.14.4.run got to the
Printer setup section it returned the message error: hp-setup
failed. Please run hp-setup manually and closed down.

So I dutifully ran hp-setup. It produced a window entitled Smart
Install Device(s) detected.  The text in the window read as follows.

 Smart install is enabled in HP LaserJet 400 colorMFP M475dw
 devices. Do you want to download and disable smart install to
 perform device functionalities?

I was given two options Download and disable and Cancel.  The
former was enclosed in a double box, presumably to indicate that that
option is the preferred one.

Not knowing what anything about smart install I first selected
cancel.  I then got another error message: error: Failed to disable
smart install.  Please refer link
'http://hplipopensource.com/node/367' for more information.

At this point I went back to the previous window and chose the other
option -- to disable smart install.  As soon as I had done so another
message appeared: 'Searching... (bus=usb, search=(None), desc=0)
Receiving digital keys: su - -c /usr/bin/gpg --no-permission-warning
- --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xA59047B9'

Then the counter -- a succession of -\/|\/- symbols churning around in
the same place -- started.  After 1.5 hours of such churning I thought
it was high time to exit from hp-setup and did so.

Any further suggestions, anyone, on how to activate this
printer/scanner/fax machine, etc.?

Regards, Ken
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Re: libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict

2014-04-25 Thread Gary Roach


On 04/23/2014 03:43 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Mi, 23 apr 14, 11:58:49, Gary Roach wrote:

Hi all,

I am running an Intel i5-750, 4 core processor with Debian 3.2.54-2 x86-64
OS and Debian Squeeze. Recent attempts to update the system, with Aptitude
(and dpkg), have failed because of a conflict between libc-bin and
libc-bin-amd64. I have not been able to resolve the conflict. My dpkg update
system is essentially frozen (everything hangs up at the conflict
notification).

Anyone have any ideas as to how to resolve this conflict. Deleting one of
the files is not an option. The software refuses to allow this.

Please provide a copy-paste of the commands you run, otherwise we can
only guess what happened.

Kind regards,
Andrei
When running Aptitude,  a red bar in the bottom half of the screen says 
Unable to resolve dependencies. If I hit g after I update package 
list and  Mark Upgradable, the top of the screen lists:

iB  libc-bin
pBA   libc-bin:amd64
The red box in the center of the screen says: No solution to these 
descrepency problems exists!

At this point Aptitude is essentially frozen.

Attempts to run dpkg produce:
root# dpkg -i libc-bin
dpkg: error processing libc-bin (--install): cannot access archive: 
No such file or directory

Errors were encountered while processing: libc-bin
The Debian web site doesn't seem to list a package libc-bin:amd64

PS I'm using Wheezy not Squeeze.

Gary R


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Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Rees

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain
  leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main
 branch
  the meaningless one going forward.

 I'm a user, not a kernel dev, and definitely not someone who's majorly
 into politics. A few years ago, unsatisfied with sysvinit, I started
 installing Upstart on all my Debian systems, and apart from being
 unable to use apt-get dist-upgrade (which asks to remove upstart and
 reinstall sysvinit), everything worked fine. Now, with Debian Jessie
 on the way, I've started learning systemd, because Upstart is
 apparently a dead end, and systemd is the way to go.

 Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if
 that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into
 learning systemd?


This one is impossible to explain without bringing in stuff that the
systemd/dbus/etc. crowd (using posts like the one that started this thread)
have managed to paint over with the politics brush. (That's what I meant by
poisoning the well.)

So, no, it's impossible to explain without politics.

On the other hand, you could learn to code, and then you could examine the
code, and then you would understand why the acrimony goes all the way up to
the top.

Of course, understanding why XML configuration files don't belong in
boot-time code does take a bit more learning to code than simply
understanding the difference between a pointer and an array.

Or maybe that lack of understanding is part of the problem. Hmm. Except it
would be more like a lack of understanding why you need a run-time stack
that would be the source of the problem.


 I get very tired of the endless arguments (Open
 Office vs Libre Office, cdrecord vs wodim, ffmpeg vs avconv - at least
 in those cases, the replacement is mostly drop-in), and frankly, I
 have a highly pragmatic approach to my init system: it should boot my
 system, and it should be possible for me to configure a program to be
 invoked. So is systemd the future, or are we going to have another
 massive argument?


I'll be a little less oblique than I was above.

As near as I can tell, systemd, etc., are all good ideas that have been
poorly executed, and have expanded way too far in scope. Unfortunately,
they are also the tools that certain vested interests are using to subvert
the entire open-source development process. (Apparently using? No. It's
getting pretty obvious now.)

Historically speaking, good ideas poorly executed and/or pushed beyond
their scope have been very convenient tools for politics. I can't think of
a war that was not started with such a (thus, perverted) good idea.

Therefore, my assertion that there will be a fork in the Linux kernel
shortly. (This year? In five years?)

When it became clear that Microsoft's products were becoming the accepted
standard in the business world, back in the 1980s, did you decide to learn
MSVisual Basic? If you were too young then, knowing what you know now,
would you learn MSVB?

That's the kind of question you are asking when you ask whether you should
invest effort in learning systemd and that group of tools.

I don't think it's the right question. If you're not game for the war, you
don't really have a choice. You will use the winner of this war or you will
quit directly using computers. The money, if you care about what the people
with money do, looks to be behind systemd, for better or for worse.

If you're game for the war, start by learning to code. And you will likely
need to learn systemd anyway, so you can help build the tools to provide an
alternative. You should also start learning how to use the BSDs, especially
openBSD.

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