Re: Kernels suspend
On 23/04/2014 15:59, jerome moliere wrote: je dois dire que j'en ai marre de trouver ma batterie vide et mon laptop brulant (alors qu'en mode standard il ne dissipe pas et a une super autonomie de + de 10 heures) J'ai eu des symptômes similaires sur mon DELL. Mais j'utilise hibernate+cpufreqd avec un kernel 3.2.x customisé sous stable. J'ai dû revoir la conf des deux utilitaires. - Fabien -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535b5e37.6070...@free.fr
Re: erreur avec ps -ef
Bonjour,
Le 25/04/2014 17:30, Bzzz a écrit :
j'ai une erreur en lançant un script shell avec ps (pièce
jointe)...
Pas étonnant, lance la 1ère ligne de Cde à la main
et tu comprendras pourquoi ça plante.
Perso, j'ai ça :
$ kill -9 $(ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}')
bash: kill: (7159) - No such process
En l'occurrence, je comprends effectivement le message d'erreur
que j'ai ci-dessus.
Par contre, je veux bien qu'on m'explique le message d'erreur
que le PO obtient. Car ce message d'erreur là, non, je ne le
comprends pas.
--
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Partitionnement GPT
Bonjour la liste. Je compte installer Debian sur une nouvelle machine d'ici quelques jours avec debian-testing-amd64-netinst. Mon premier souci est le partitionnement des disques. Je voudrais faire du GPT mais gdisk ne semble pas disponible sur netinst. Je pensais donc partitionner les disques avant l'installation en utilisant la distrib GRML (basée Debian) et qui elle embarque fdisk. Est-ce une solution correcte ? Merci par avance. -- Ph. Delavalade -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426104209.GA4068@messier31
Re: Partitionnement GPT
Le samedi 26 avril 2014, 12:42:09 Philippe Delavalade a écrit : Bonjour la liste. ’jour, Je compte installer Debian sur une nouvelle machine d'ici quelques jours avec debian-testing-amd64-netinst. Mon premier souci est le partitionnement des disques. Je voudrais faire du GPT mais gdisk ne semble pas disponible sur netinst. Partman (le logiciel de partitionnement de l’installateur) reconnaît bien les GPT. En revanche et effectivement, je ne me souviens pas d’avoir vu une option pour en créer une sur un disque vierge. Peut-être en mode expert ? Je pensais donc partitionner les disques avant l'installation en utilisant la distrib GRML (basée Debian) et qui elle embarque fdisk. Est-ce une solution correcte ? Ça a le mérite d’être une solution simple qui fonctionne ;o) -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8285572.G0E7TnGJ1B@earendil
Re: kworker prend trop de CPU
Le samedi 26 avril 2014, 01:19:57 prego jérémy a écrit : bonjour, ’jour, Note : ce serait sympa de se relire avant de poster. [… À propos de kworker …] Comme tu sembles l’avoir compris, un « processus » kworker est un thread du noyau. Quand le noyau veut faire plusieurs choses en parallèle (comme p.ex. gérer un périphérique, attendre une entrée/sortie…), il lance un thread séparé qui apparaît alors comme un processus nommé « [kworker/BLA] ». Certains threads du noyau ont des noms plus explicites : « [irq-BLA] », « [btrfs- BLA] », « [iwlwifi] », etc. En somme, « kworker » est juste un nom générique. Ça n’est pas parce que certains ont réglé leur problème en tripotant leur carte vidéo que tu vas régler le tien de la même façon. Pour connaître l’origine de ton problème, il faudrait savoir _si_ c’est un processus utilisateur qui a demandé quelque chose de difficile au noyau et, dans ce cas, _quel_ processus a demandé _quoi_ au noyau et _pourquoi_ ça le fait travailler autant, ou _si_ c’est un module noyau qui est parti à l’ouest et _pourquoi_ (p.ex. si c’est un périphérique qui répond mal). Pour ça, je pense qu’il faudrait utiliser les outils de traçage de noyau (peut-être perf). Tu peux aussi essayer de voir ce qui est lancé sur ta machine au moment du problème et si ça s’arrête si tu arrêtes un programme ou un autre (en commençant par les programmes les plus gourmands en E/S et qui ont des tâches répétitives (timers)). -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4380688.8iNYE7dC38@earendil
Re: Partitionnement GPT
Désolé Sylvain pour la réponse hors liste. Le samedi 26 avril à 15:29, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le samedi 26 avril 2014, 12:42:09 Philippe Delavalade a écrit : Bonjour la liste. ???jour, Je compte installer Debian sur une nouvelle machine d'ici quelques jours avec debian-testing-amd64-netinst. Mon premier souci est le partitionnement des disques. Je voudrais faire du GPT mais gdisk ne semble pas disponible sur netinst. Partman (le logiciel de partitionnement de l???installateur) reconnaît bien les GPT. En revanche et effectivement, je ne me souviens pas d???avoir vu une option pour en créer une sur un disque vierge. Peut-être en mode expert ? J'ignore tout de partman ; deplus sur ma machine actuelle (jessie), un apt-cache search partman ne me répond rien :-( Je pensais donc partitionner les disques avant l'installation en utilisant la distrib GRML (basée Debian) et qui elle embarque fdisk. Est-ce une solution correcte ? Oups, je voulais dire gdisk :-) Ça a le mérite d???être une solution simple qui fonctionne ;o) Je m'orienterai donc vers cette solution. Merci. -- Ph. Delavalade -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426151915.GA5264@messier31
Re: erreur avec ps -ef
Le 16186ième jour après Epoch,
Francois Lafont écrivait:
Bonjour,
Le 25/04/2014 17:30, Bzzz a écrit :
j'ai une erreur en lançant un script shell avec ps (pièce
jointe)...
Pas étonnant, lance la 1ère ligne de Cde à la main
et tu comprendras pourquoi ça plante.
Perso, j'ai ça :
$ kill -9 $(ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}')
bash: kill: (7159) - No such process
En l'occurrence, je comprends effectivement le message d'erreur
que j'ai ci-dessus.
Par contre, je veux bien qu'on m'explique le message d'erreur
que le PO obtient. Car ce message d'erreur là, non, je ne le
comprends pas.
Il vient du fait que quand tu passes la commande suivante:
ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}'
tu peux avoir 2 réponses: celle du process mplayer lui-même, et celle du
process grep. Du coup, le kill va s'adresser aussi au grep, et le tuer.
Dans ton cas, la seule réponse est celle du grep, mais le kill n'a pas
eu le temps de le tuer, il s'est fini avant.
HTH.
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Re: kworker prend trop de CPU
Le 26/04/2014 15:57, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le samedi 26 avril 2014, 01:19:57 prego jérémy a écrit : bonjour, ’jour, Note : ce serait sympa de se relire avant de poster. ça a été fait mais pas assez aparament. [… À propos de kworker …] Comme tu sembles l’avoir compris, un « processus » kworker est un thread du noyau. Quand le noyau veut faire plusieurs choses en parallèle (comme p.ex. gérer un périphérique, attendre une entrée/sortie…), il lance un thread séparé qui apparaît alors comme un processus nommé « [kworker/BLA] ». Certains threads du noyau ont des noms plus explicites : « [irq-BLA] », « [btrfs- BLA] », « [iwlwifi] », etc. En somme, « kworker » est juste un nom générique. Ça n’est pas parce que certains ont réglé leur problème en tripotant leur carte vidéo que tu vas régler le tien de la même façon. Pour connaître l’origine de ton problème, il faudrait savoir _si_ c’est un processus utilisateur qui a demandé quelque chose de difficile au noyau et, dans ce cas, _quel_ processus a demandé _quoi_ au noyau et _pourquoi_ ça le fait travailler autant, ou _si_ c’est un module noyau qui est parti à l’ouest et _pourquoi_ (p.ex. si c’est un périphérique qui répond mal). Pour ça, je pense qu’il faudrait utiliser les outils de traçage de noyau (peut-être perf). Tu peux aussi essayer de voir ce qui est lancé sur ta machine au moment du problème et si ça s’arrête si tu arrêtes un programme ou un autre (en commençant par les programmes les plus gourmands en E/S et qui ont des tâches répétitives (timers)). non, cela ne s'arrête pas. j'ai stopé gdm, et le maximum de services mais le kworker est toujours là en prenant entre 60 et 80 % du CPU jerem -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535bd239.9020...@prego-network.net
Re: Partitionnement GPT
Hello, Partman est l'utilitaire fourni avec le support d'installation, c'est pour ça que tu ne le trouves pas en faisant un search. Bises, Louis. 2014-04-26 17:19 GMT+02:00 Philippe Delavalade philippe.delaval...@orange.fr: Désolé Sylvain pour la réponse hors liste. Le samedi 26 avril à 15:29, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le samedi 26 avril 2014, 12:42:09 Philippe Delavalade a écrit : Bonjour la liste. ???jour, Je compte installer Debian sur une nouvelle machine d'ici quelques jours avec debian-testing-amd64-netinst. Mon premier souci est le partitionnement des disques. Je voudrais faire du GPT mais gdisk ne semble pas disponible sur netinst. Partman (le logiciel de partitionnement de l???installateur) reconnaît bien les GPT. En revanche et effectivement, je ne me souviens pas d???avoir vu une option pour en créer une sur un disque vierge. Peut-être en mode expert ? J'ignore tout de partman ; deplus sur ma machine actuelle (jessie), un apt-cache search partman ne me répond rien :-( Je pensais donc partitionner les disques avant l'installation en utilisant la distrib GRML (basée Debian) et qui elle embarque fdisk. Est-ce une solution correcte ? Oups, je voulais dire gdisk :-) Ça a le mérite d???être une solution simple qui fonctionne ;o) Je m'orienterai donc vers cette solution. Merci. -- Ph. Delavalade -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426151915.GA5264@messier31
Re: Kernels suspend
Salut Fabien merci de la confirmation... j'avais eu les memes soucis du coup j ai vire laptop-mode et autres et je fais la config directement dans le kernel dans rc.local (sous stable) ou via systemd (pour Semplice) jerome J.MOLIERE - Mentor/J Le 26 avril 2014 09:20, Fabien R theedge...@free.fr a écrit : On 23/04/2014 15:59, jerome moliere wrote: je dois dire que j'en ai marre de trouver ma batterie vide et mon laptop brulant (alors qu'en mode standard il ne dissipe pas et a une super autonomie de + de 10 heures) J'ai eu des symptômes similaires sur mon DELL. Mais j'utilise hibernate+cpufreqd avec un kernel 3.2.x customisé sous stable. J'ai dû revoir la conf des deux utilitaires. - Fabien -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535b5e37.6070...@free.fr
Re: Partitionnement GPT
bonsoir, Pour le partionnement GPT j'utilise gparted-live Le 26 avr. 2014 12:42, Philippe Delavalade philippe.delaval...@orange.fr a écrit : Bonjour la liste. Je compte installer Debian sur une nouvelle machine d'ici quelques jours avec debian-testing-amd64-netinst. Mon premier souci est le partitionnement des disques. Je voudrais faire du GPT mais gdisk ne semble pas disponible sur netinst. Je pensais donc partitionner les disques avant l'installation en utilisant la distrib GRML (basée Debian) et qui elle embarque fdisk. Est-ce une solution correcte ? Merci par avance. -- Ph. Delavalade -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426104209.GA4068@messier31
Re: erreur avec ps -ef
Bonsoir,
Le 26/04/2014 17:14, François TOURDE a écrit :
Perso, j'ai ça :
$ kill -9 $(ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}')
bash: kill: (7159) - No such process
En l'occurrence, je comprends effectivement le message d'erreur
que j'ai ci-dessus.
Par contre, je veux bien qu'on m'explique le message d'erreur
que le PO obtient. Car ce message d'erreur là, non, je ne le
comprends pas.
Il vient du fait que quand tu passes la commande suivante:
ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}'
tu peux avoir 2 réponses: celle du process mplayer lui-même, et celle du
process grep.
Jusque là ok, j'avais bien conscience de cela.
Du coup, le kill va s'adresser aussi au grep, et le tuer.
Alors là par contre, j'aimerais bien avoir un peu plus d'explication
si c'est possible. Il y a 2 choses que je ne pige pas.
1. Tu dis que le kill va s'adresser au grep mais déjà, pour moi, quand
on fait ça :
kill -9 $(ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}')
j'ai du mal à imaginer que le « kill ... » soit lancé alors que
le $(...) n'a pas fini son exécution. Je me trompe peut-être mais
il me semble que, avant que la commande « kill ... » ne soit exécutée,
il faut bien que le $(...) aille à son terme pour la simple et bonne
raison que l'instruction « kill ... » ne sera connue qu'une fois
la commande $(...) terminée.
Je me trompe ?
2. Quand bien même, admettons que le timing que tu décris est le bon,
ie le kill s'adresse au grep (chose qui me semble impossible comme je
l'ai indiqué dans le 1), je ne vois toujours pas le rapport avec le
message d'erreur obtenu par le PO, à savoir :
Signal 18 (CONT) caught by ps (procps-ng version 3.3.9).
ps:display.c:66: please report this bug
La commande ps aurait donc attrapé le signal CONT qui est un signal
qui entraîne par défaut la reprise du processus si celui-ci est stoppé.
Quel rapport avec le fait que le kill aurait tué le grep ?
Dans ton cas, la seule réponse est celle du grep, mais le kill n'a pas
eu le temps de le tuer, il s'est fini avant.
Effectivement, le grep s'est terminé avant et pour moi ce sera toujours
le cas car, pour que l'instruction kill se lance, le $(...) doit d'abord
se finir (sans quoi l'instruction kill n'est pas encore connue et je ne
vois pas ce que l'os est en mesure d'exécuter). Évidemment, je serais
ravi d'avoir des explications là-dessus, surtout si je me plante (ce qui
n'est pas exclu du tout ;-)).
Bref, je conçois parfaitement le message d'erreur « bash: kill: (7159)
- No such process » car on cherche à tuer un process qui n'existe plus.
En revanche, le message d'erreur du PO reste encore pour moi un
mystère non résolu.
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RE: Boycott a systemd
El objetivo de los mercaderes (personas y grupos que quieren dominar el mundo, esclavizando a todos); ha sido. destruir y/o apropiarse del Software libre; los metodos han sido diferentes; la armada de EU, se atribuye la creacion de internet (cosa que ya existia, solo faltaba el instrumento); la NSA mete proyectos de seguridad en Debian y promueve la creacion de capas de software (paneles de control), mete bugs (posiblemente HeartBleed), mete personas que promuevan la facilidad en el software libre (eso facilita las intrusiones, y crea grupos que empiezan a exigir cambios, en vez de crear y auditar codigo); systemd, es la muestra de codigo complicado y con tendencia a ser codigo cerrado! Uno de ellos que considero bueno es http://www.kali.org/ a probar que esta bueno. salu2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/bay177-w39f0cacb2666f256f0bc7bb6...@phx.gbl
Re: Boycott a systemd
El 24/04/2014 18:31, German Cardozo escribió: Un grupo del que desconozco su origen, creo el sitio: http://boycottsystemd.org, supongo que con la buena intención de explicar las razones por las cuales no estan de acuerdo con este sistema. Considero cierto, y ya he efectuado algunas revisiones y pruebas, que este pierde parte de la filosofía UNIX, de hacer las cosas. En especial, el uso de archivos en formatos no texto o no leibles por humanos, para almacenar información o configuraciones, forzar el uso de ciertos paquetes y/o sistemas (udev, dbus), estar diseñado para glibc, entre otros. Con el simple ánimo de dejar esto a la consideración técnica de todos en la Lista. Saludos, German Cardozo Chirinos ~ carpe diem ~ No he visto la web pero tengo claro que por muchas ventajas que ofrezcan systemd es un paso atrás en la filosofía UNIX. Últimamente tengo que lidiar con Solaris 11 ya en manos de Oracle y ahí también hicieron el cambio a un sistema similar con la idea de centralización/unificacion/monitorizacion/etc de los servicios, la cara que puse al ver este cambio ufff, no me quiero imaginar como se lo explican a alguien que lleve decadas bajo UNIX. Estuve investigando de donde y cuando parte este cambio en la gestión de servicios y eran en tiempos de SUN. Desde luego cada vez tengo más interes en migrar a FreeBSD donde allí ni de coña se plantean este cambio y simplifican al máximo la gestión de red, archivos, firewall flipando estoy con el uso de paquetería txz. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535b67d3.1010...@gmail.com
Re: Sobre el código no normal que aparece en el arranque de Debian
El 25/04/14 15:18, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: Hola Tengo Debian testing, y el arranque de Debian aparece fallos. Es tan rápido que no puedo visualizarlo bien, antes no pasaba. Me podían indicar de que manera puedo visualizarlo y como entenderlo. Gracias de antemano Espero su ayuda y les doy las gracias de antemano. -- Un saludo, José Manuel Gran Canaria/España Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto: no digas nada que no sea mas precioso que el silencio!!! Hola José Manuel. Todo lo que ves pasar raudamente durante el arranque queda escrito en un archivo de texto ubicado en /va/log/. Allí puedes consultar messages, boot.log, kern.log, syslog, y algún otro. Suerte.
Re: Sobre el código no normal que aparece en el arranque de Debian
El 25/04/14 15:18, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: Hola Tengo Debian testing, y el arranque de Debian aparece fallos. Es tan rápido que no puedo visualizarlo bien, antes no pasaba. Me podían indicar de que manera puedo visualizarlo y como entenderlo. Gracias de antemano Espero su ayuda y les doy las gracias de antemano. -- Un saludo, José Manuel Gran Canaria/España Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto: no digas nada que no sea mas precioso que el silencio!!! Hola José Manuel. Podés consultar los siguientes archivos, en /var/log/: messages boot.log kern.log syslog ... y algún otro. Suerte.
Re: Boycott a systemd
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:01:23AM +0200, Roberto wrote: No he visto la web pero tengo claro que por muchas ventajas que ofrezcan systemd es un paso atrás en la filosofía UNIX. Mito número 10: systemd no es UNIX: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html Los otros mitos son igualmente interesantes, o más. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014042611.ga26...@cantor.unex.es
OT conectar a un servidor de archivos con nautilus
buenos dias el caso es el siguiente yo desde windows por ejecutar coloco \\miservidor me pide usuario y password y entro en donde estan las carpetas(discos) pero desde linux no c como conectarme intente smb://miservidor/ y no pasa nada Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADfsJo2wF5TfL0b1qAapwbK7mgy8KM+rhbev=motyqcpjpk...@mail.gmail.com
Recuperar un fichero recién borrado sabiendo su nombre.
Hola a todos, Acabo de borrar un fichero comprimido .gz el cual tenía unos datos que me interesan. No he tocado el equipo desde que lo he borrado. Sé que para recuperar ficheros está testdisk / photorec, que busca todos los ficheros borrados, directorios, etc... ¿Pero hay alguna herramienta que, sabiendo la ubicación donde estaba el fichero y el nombre, pueda ir directamente a recuperar ese fichero sin tener que testear la partición completa?. No sé si me explico. Por ejemplo, si acabo de borrar el fichero manolo.txt, una utilidad del tipo undelete manolo.txt. Saludos y gracias, Ramses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/61e0e007-41d0-4490-b176-e8d11935e...@gmail.com
Re: Recuperar un fichero recién borrado sabiendo su nombre.
El abr 26, 2014 5:06 PM, Ramses ramses.sevi...@gmail.com escribió: Hola a todos, Acabo de borrar un fichero comprimido .gz el cual tenía unos datos que me interesan. No he tocado el equipo desde que lo he borrado. Sé que para recuperar ficheros está testdisk / photorec, que busca todos los ficheros borrados, directorios, etc... ¿Pero hay alguna herramienta que, sabiendo la ubicación donde estaba el fichero y el nombre, pueda ir directamente a recuperar ese fichero sin tener que testear la partición completa?. No sé si me explico. Por ejemplo, si acabo de borrar el fichero manolo.txt, una utilidad del tipo undelete manolo.txt. Saludos y gracias, Ramses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/61e0e007-41d0-4490-b176-e8d11935e...@gmail.com La busqueda de google me trajo un link bastante interesante a mi entender. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/80270/unix-linux-undelete-recover-deleted-files Espero pueda ayudarte. Saludos
DNS
Buenas tardes estoy tratando de configurar los servicios de DNS en una pc del laboratorio de la Universidad, para lo cual estoy utilizando linux como nativo y win7 visualizado; utilizando la ip 172.16.101.222 para Linux y 192.168.16.0/24para la red interna. comencé creando la llave en el archivo named.conf.local, luego copie el archivo local a db.miurl.com el cual también lo modifique con los datos de mi red interna. seguido a ello cree y modifique el archivo db.inversa así como tambien modifique el /etc/resolv.conf con los datos de mi dominio en este caso 192.168.16.1 en el db.miurl.com cree o asigne a www la ip 192.168.16.1 y a ftp la 192.168.16.2. la cuestión es que desde que configure esto, perdí la conexión a internet, aunque si hago ping al 8.8.8.8 desde Linux y windows, otro problema es que desde Linux puedo hacer ping a www y ftp pero desde la virtual no. alguien que me pueda ayudar a resolver este problema por favor.
Re: DNS
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 04:16:26PM -0600, Elvin Rodriguez wrote: win7 visualizado ¿Quieres decir *virtualizado*? perdí la conexión a internet, [...] hago ping al 8.8.8.8 Por favor habla con un poco más de propiedad. Si puedes hacer ping a 8.8.8.8 entonces *tienes* conexión a Internet. Cuando no funciona el DNS crees que no funciona Internet porque no eres capaz de acceder a nada a través del nombre. Pero el DNS *no* es Internet. Tendrás que seguir leyendo documentación porque si todavía confundes el DNS con tener conexión a internet es que te queda bastante por aprender. desde la virtual no. De esta última frase es de donde deduzco que lo de visualizado no iba en serio. No tengo ni idea de lo que te pasa, lo siento, pero yo probaría a eliminar cosas y a simplificar. Por ejemplo: En vez de usar virtualización, usa *dos* ordenadores con IP fija. Será un poco distinto de lo que estabas intentando pero cuando uno tiene un problema gordo lo que hay que hacer es simplificarlo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140427000519.ga29...@cantor.unex.es
Re: DNS
Gracias Santiago y tienes razón, me equivoque al decir que no tenía conexión simplemente queria decir que el dns no me resolvia las direcciones y fue por ello que puse que si podia hacer el ping. Otro error es el de visualizado ya que lo correcto es virtualizado nada dificil de comprender Entonces, mi problema en concreto es que e Dns no me resuelve a las direcciones cuando trato de hacer ping desde la maquina virtual El abr 26, 2014 5:16 PM, Elvin Rodriguez elvin@gmail.com escribió: Buenas tardes estoy tratando de configurar los servicios de DNS en una pc del laboratorio de la Universidad, para lo cual estoy utilizando linux como nativo y win7 visualizado; utilizando la ip 172.16.101.222 para Linux y 192.168.16.0/24 para la red interna. comencé creando la llave en el archivo named.conf.local, luego copie el archivo local a db.miurl.com el cual también lo modifique con los datos de mi red interna. seguido a ello cree y modifique el archivo db.inversa así como tambien modifique el /etc/resolv.conf con los datos de mi dominio en este caso 192.168.16.1 en el db.miurl.com cree o asigne a www la ip 192.168.16.1 y a ftp la 192.168.16.2. la cuestión es que desde que configure esto, perdí la conexión a internet, aunque si hago ping al 8.8.8.8 desde Linux y windows, otro problema es que desde Linux puedo hacer ping a www y ftp pero desde la virtual no. alguien que me pueda ayudar a resolver este problema por favor.
Re: Re: [OT] Telia ADSL och SSH
Hej! Jag har ingen lösning och kan bara bekräfta genom att jag har exakt samma problem. Gav upp sommaren 2013 och försökte igen april 2014 för att se om någon uppgradering löst problemet. Men nej! Pratade med supporten förra sommaren men möttes av inkompetens. Nu ger jag upp igen och fortsätter med min gamla lösning och struntar i IP-telefonin. /Mats -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535bb7d3.6040...@tracks.se
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI
Christian, Quanto à demissão, este não é o entendimento do TST. Claro empresa pode sim demitir apenas não pode alegar justa causa. As normas de uma empresa não podem sobrepor leis. Para TST e MP você nem pode monitorar acesso do usuário isto seria invasão de privacidade. Ou seja cara pode levar uma boa grana se decidir entrar na justiça. Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 25 de abril de 2014 18:07, Christian Rosa christiant.i...@gmail.comescreveu: Indenpendente da política interna referente a tecnologia da Informação eu entendo que se o usuário que foi admitido está ciente das sanções e politicas, deve cumpri-las igualmente como qualquer outra politica interna da empresa. E para cada descumprimento uma punição, que podem variar de advertência verbal até demissão. Ex: Uso de um refeitorio, existe uma politica e caso desreipeite existe uma sanção, cumprimento do horário seria outro exemplo. Sai um pouco do universo da tecnologia da informação para uma melhor ilustração Em 25 de abril de 2014 17:58, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Leandro, Você pode demitir quem você quiser. Mais isto não serve como base para justa causa. Sem falar que isso não vai garantir segurança para suar informações. Visto que regras existem para serem quebradas. Se precisar de fato garantir isto crie redes isoladas. E implemente regras no filtro. Leandro se puder enviar a fonte deste estudos. O importante é cobrar resultados. Nada haver cara acessar um Porta dos Fundos, ou mesmo um WhatsApp. Até mesmo porque um bom ssh na porta 80 burla qualquer proxy/filtro. Obs me refiro a redes internas usadas por usuários normal e não a redes de servidores. Ai sim iso 27001. Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 25 de abril de 2014 07:04, Leandro leandro...@gmail.com escreveu: Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de segurança e isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email enviado assim que uma pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente divulgado,sendo claramente listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam desrespeitadas vc pode sim demitir.ou adverter o usuário.Entretanto acredito que privar não resolve nada o Helio Loureiro aqui ja chegou a citar algo como coisa de gerente que não sabe nada,querer privar.politica e importante sim mas cautela ainda e o melhor remédio,o legal e criar a politica reunir todos da empresa e divulgs-las mostrando o real motivo garantir a segurança das informações da empresa. O ideal é vc se basear na iso 27001 para criar sua própria politica. Abraco Em 24/04/2014 16:09, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Trabalho em empresa do Governo aqui temos um documento enorme. Proíbe até uso de pendriver. Na minha opinião inútil, visto que para Justiça isso não tem valor, você não poderá demitir um usuário alegando justa coisa caso ele descumpra a norma, o melhor que você pode fazer é ter um bom filtro de conteúdo. E fazer campanhas via e-mail etc... Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 24 de abril de 2014 13:17, Cássio Elias cassioel...@corples.com.brescreveu: Bom, acredito que o máximo que voce irá chegar seja o máximo que a administração passada chegou. Apenas um raciocínio. Agora, a ITIL não trabalha com esse tipo de documentação não? De uma olhada...se estiver errado me corrijam por favor. Em 24/04/2014 10:32, Fábio de Sousa escreveu: Um salve a todos, Amigos, estou precisando de algum documento que tenha políticas de uso na área de TI dentro de uma empresa, se possível deste o Administrador de Redes até o usuário final. Estou assumindo o setor de TI de uma empresa e disse que para o meu Diretor que precisamos tomar algumas medidas para organizar
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI
Não pode monitorar ? Tenho a impressão de já ter lido em ferramentas que usuário utiliza a informação que ele está sendo monitorado e a lei que permite. Isso é uma prática muito comum nas empresas, orgãos e governo, todos somos monitorados. Em 26 de abril de 2014 09:22, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Christian, Quanto à demissão, este não é o entendimento do TST. Claro empresa pode sim demitir apenas não pode alegar justa causa. As normas de uma empresa não podem sobrepor leis. Para TST e MP você nem pode monitorar acesso do usuário isto seria invasão de privacidade. Ou seja cara pode levar uma boa grana se decidir entrar na justiça. Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 25 de abril de 2014 18:07, Christian Rosa christiant.i...@gmail.comescreveu: Indenpendente da política interna referente a tecnologia da Informação eu entendo que se o usuário que foi admitido está ciente das sanções e politicas, deve cumpri-las igualmente como qualquer outra politica interna da empresa. E para cada descumprimento uma punição, que podem variar de advertência verbal até demissão. Ex: Uso de um refeitorio, existe uma politica e caso desreipeite existe uma sanção, cumprimento do horário seria outro exemplo. Sai um pouco do universo da tecnologia da informação para uma melhor ilustração Em 25 de abril de 2014 17:58, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.comescreveu: Leandro, Você pode demitir quem você quiser. Mais isto não serve como base para justa causa. Sem falar que isso não vai garantir segurança para suar informações. Visto que regras existem para serem quebradas. Se precisar de fato garantir isto crie redes isoladas. E implemente regras no filtro. Leandro se puder enviar a fonte deste estudos. O importante é cobrar resultados. Nada haver cara acessar um Porta dos Fundos, ou mesmo um WhatsApp. Até mesmo porque um bom ssh na porta 80 burla qualquer proxy/filtro. Obs me refiro a redes internas usadas por usuários normal e não a redes de servidores. Ai sim iso 27001. Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 25 de abril de 2014 07:04, Leandro leandro...@gmail.com escreveu: Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de segurança e isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email enviado assim que uma pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente divulgado,sendo claramente listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam desrespeitadas vc pode sim demitir.ou adverter o usuário.Entretanto acredito que privar não resolve nada o Helio Loureiro aqui ja chegou a citar algo como coisa de gerente que não sabe nada,querer privar.politica e importante sim mas cautela ainda e o melhor remédio,o legal e criar a politica reunir todos da empresa e divulgs-las mostrando o real motivo garantir a segurança das informações da empresa. O ideal é vc se basear na iso 27001 para criar sua própria politica. Abraco Em 24/04/2014 16:09, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Trabalho em empresa do Governo aqui temos um documento enorme. Proíbe até uso de pendriver. Na minha opinião inútil, visto que para Justiça isso não tem valor, você não poderá demitir um usuário alegando justa coisa caso ele descumpra a norma, o melhor que você pode fazer é ter um bom filtro de conteúdo. E fazer campanhas via e-mail etc... Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 24 de abril de 2014 13:17, Cássio Elias cassioel...@corples.com.br escreveu: Bom, acredito que o máximo que voce irá chegar seja o máximo que a administração passada chegou. Apenas um raciocínio. Agora, a ITIL não trabalha com esse tipo de documentação não? De uma olhada...se estiver errado me corrijam por favor. Em 24/04/2014 10:32, Fábio de Sousa
(OT) não consigo alterar MIME type de arquivos jpeg no XFCE
Olá, O Thunar (1.6.3) na minha instalação do xfce (4.10) em um debian testing totalmente atualizado quase sem nada de GNOME, encasquetou que só o Windows Internet explorer do wine pode abrir arquivos jpeg. O botão direito-abrir com-imagemagick funciona corretamente mas a questão é que mesmo usando Menu de Aplicações-Configurações-Editar MIME type e trocar o aplicativo vinculado a jpeg, o xfve torna a escolher o Windows Internet explorer do wine. Já desinstalei o wine já apaguei os .wine* e nada. duplo clique sobre os jpeg e não acontece nada... já fucei em default.list e não consigo mudar o diacho do comportamento do xfce. Dicas? Abrax! -- ...E que fique muito mal explicado. Não faço força para ser entendido. Quem faz sentido é soldado... Mario Quintana Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com skype:gunfurtado -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426161307.47ac7...@shrknemo.gbcm.net
compra de notebook
Caros, estou pensando em comprar um notebook e gostaria de instalar o mínimo possível de coisas fora dos repositórios main do debian. ou seja, instalar o mínimo de coisas do repositório non-free e coisas não empacotadas. alguém tem alguma sugetão de modelo (ou marca) que eu não tenha que ficar instalando software (principalmente drivers) não-DFSG?
İş ve Eleman İhtiyaçlarınız Hakkında
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Mobile Broadband with Btooth
Hi, How to do that? It always refuse connecting
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On 24/04/14 04:06, Patrick Bartek wrote: I don't know if a Google/gmail account is really _required_ with Android phones, but you are strongly advised (and nagged) to set up one. As you said, without it, no OS or app updates, no app downloads, etc. So for full phone functionality, you need one. I got OS updates until they dropped the Galaxy Nexus updates with the update to Kitkat. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535b6892.8050...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On 24/04/14 10:13, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:29:39 +1200 Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 22/04/14 05:25, Patrick Bartek wrote: FYI: You're forced into having a gmail account with an Android phone. I think I have a gmail account somewhere. I've never associated it with my Android phone though. That means of course that I don't have access to Google Play or whatever it's called, but I'm happy enough with the apps I can get from f-droid. I really want to limit myself to f-droid, but they're really pretty lacking. They don't even have an ssh server! Hmm, true. I must have got DroidSSHd from somewhere else then. It wasn't from the play store though. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535b6983.3000...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 08:43:42AM +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: Hi, How to do that? It always refuse connecting Sorry to be blunt: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426082001.GA4174@tal
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
It send me in logs - Port already in use 2014-04-26 10:20 GMT+02:00 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 08:43:42AM +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: Hi, How to do that? It always refuse connecting Sorry to be blunt: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426082001.GA4174@tal
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:32:45 +0200 Gábor Hársfalvi hgab...@gmail.com wrote: It send me in logs - Port already in use I think it was being gently suggested to you that there is no possibility of anyone providing any assistance unless you explain *exactly* what you are doing: what hardware, what software, what the error messages actually say, etc. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426101410.73935...@jretrading.com
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:32:45AM +0200, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: It send me in logs - Port already in use Have you googled the 'exact' error message? This more often than not can lead you on the right track to solving 96.75% of most issues. :) So you need to find out what is already using that port? Did you read that link I posted? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426092253.GA5176@tal
Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7
On 2014-04-26, Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: Next was the smoke test; I ran command sh hplip-3.14.4.run. It ran through successfully all the steps except one; it could not install package cupsys-bsd because that package does not exist in Squeeze -- That is curious because they indeed list *cups-bsd* as a dependency for Debian 6.0x and not cupsys-bsd. http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/debian.html Maybe you should try the manual method detailed above. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnllmumq.2ep.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Systemd
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into learning systemd? This one is impossible to explain without bringing in stuff that the systemd/dbus/etc. crowd (using posts like the one that started this thread) have managed to paint over with the politics brush. (That's what I meant by poisoning the well.) So, no, it's impossible to explain without politics. Okay. Thank you for explaining. (Including the below.) On the other hand, you could learn to code, and then you could examine the code, and then you would understand why the acrimony goes all the way up to the top. I know how to code, and spend significant portions of my day doing so. I'm familiar with C, having been using it for the better part of two decades. But I've never dug into the Linux kernel, simply because it's a huge amount of code to grok; and opening up a few source files won't tell me why people are unhappy. (Unless it's all in comments, in which case it's no different from reading text files.) Same here, but I'm either going to have to start digging in or just retire from the field, I'm afraid. (Three decades, for me.) Of course, understanding why XML configuration files don't belong in boot-time code does take a bit more learning to code than simply understanding the difference between a pointer and an array. Uhh, XML config files don't belong ... pretty much anywhere. :) Heh. You know, I had to learn the hard way about that. I think the idea of unbounded nesting was the siren song that took me in. Anyway, that's one of the sticking points, from what I hear. [...] Unfortunately, they are also the tools that certain vested interests are using to subvert the entire open-source development process. (Apparently using? No. It's getting pretty obvious now.) It was developed at Red Hat. Are you saying they're trying to subvert open source, or someone else is? I'm lost. Unfortunately, yes, Red Hat has become beholden to the vested interests. It started about the time the founder stepped down. [...] You should also start learning how to use the BSDs, especially openBSD. As I said above, I can code. (Most of my need for Upstart/systemd scripts is to get my stuff running on startup.) But maybe I should start targeting a BSD, if only to get some experience with it. It's worthwhile, although, with the state of Grub, I'm trying to set a spare machine aside for it. You say there'll be a fork in the Linux kernel. But if the split is over the use of systemd, why isn't there simply a fork of a distribution, shipping some other init instead of systemd? Because systemd et. al. are not system tools. They are political tools. They are a band-aid over the rougher spots in initialization, where people who aren't willing to learn to code shell scripts, and who aren't willing to learn different ways of organizing code, get hung up. They don't really solve the underlying problems, they just smooth the waters a bit. It's in the old tradition of the 80% solution that's really only a 20% solution being sold as an 80% solution. Maybe I should just shut up and go be a user. :| ChrisA Maybe I'm being too negative about this. Believe me, you can help if you can spare even a little time. The underlying problem, as I see it, is developing a way to encode the run-time dependencies into the package database and how to use that information in the configuration scripts. I think it may require some virtual packages that are almost entirely configuration scripts, but the database needs to be able to be part of the various package systems. (And no XML configuration files. :-/) -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart.
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
Sorry. This is a Samsung GT S5230 phone and Debian 6 x86. I have installed all bluetooth packages - bluez and the others - it works with the phone succesfully when I send/receive files. So I think bluethooth works almost fully. In Debian network manager I set all the options of Mobile Broadband. But when I try connecting - network manager always disconnect. And I found in the logs: modem-manager: Got failure code 3: Operation not allowed and Error connecting with bluez: Port already in use 2014-04-26 11:14 GMT+02:00 Joe j...@jretrading.com: On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:32:45 +0200 Gábor Hársfalvi hgab...@gmail.com wrote: It send me in logs - Port already in use I think it was being gently suggested to you that there is no possibility of anyone providing any assistance unless you explain *exactly* what you are doing: what hardware, what software, what the error messages actually say, etc. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426101410.73935...@jretrading.com
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On Jo, 24 apr 14, 21:46:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Unlikely that people are only subscribed to this list, that's why assume that many users have at least issues caused by their provider, with some mailing lists. https://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-user.png Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
On 26/04/2014 10:30, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: I have installed all bluetooth packages - bluez and the others - it works with the phone succesfully when I send/receive files. So I think bluethooth works almost fully. I'm not sure that's true. In the past (with Fedora, actually) I found that while 'file transfer services' worked out of the box, the 'use as a modem' did not, and required some specific configuration. (Note, this may have changed with current versions.) But I suggest you search for posts about 'using phone as modem over bluetooth' or some such. Additionally, there are two possible modes, I think. One is to use the phone as a modem, letting the computer control connection/disconnection to the 3G packet data service. I found this easier to set up, using a dialler at the command line. The other is to let the phone be 'always on', set up by hand, maybe, and use bluetooth's PAN service to make the connection. There are certainly many posts about this second method (using various distributions). In Debian network manager I set all the options of Mobile Broadband. But when I try connecting - network manager always disconnect. And I found in the logs: modem-manager: Got failure code 3: Operation not allowed Well. That's what made me think the 'modem' service may not have been negotiated between the computer and phone. and Error connecting with bluez: Port already in use Though this didn't seem to be consistent with my suggestion. So searching for this error text might be fruitful. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535b81ae.30...@tesco.net
Re: libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict
On Vi, 25 apr 14, 17:29:13, Gary Roach wrote: When running Aptitude, a red bar in the bottom half of the screen says Unable to resolve dependencies. If I hit g after I update package list and Mark Upgradable, the top of the screen lists: iB libc-bin pBA libc-bin:amd64 The red box in the center of the screen says: No solution to these descrepency problems exists! At this point Aptitude is essentially frozen. Attempts to run dpkg produce: root# dpkg -i libc-bin dpkg: error processing libc-bin (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: libc-bin This can't work, because 'dpkg -i' needs files (not package names). Please provide the output of: dpkg --print-architecture dpkg --print-foreign-architectures apt-cache policy apt-cache policy libc-bin aptitude --simulate safe-upgrade aptitude --simulate full-upgrade I'm assuming your package lists are updated, otherwise please run 'aptitude update' (or press 'u' in interactive mode) first. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate
On Vi, 25 apr 14, 13:22:03, The Wanderer wrote: This is obviously a bug somewhere (albeit probably not a severe one in practice), but I'm not even sure what package the bug would be in. Any hints, or ideas what might be going on here? I suggest you post this to http://lists.debian.org/deity or report a bug against apt. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 21:14:16 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: Next was the smoke test; I ran command sh hplip-3.14.4.run. It ran through successfully all the steps except one; it could not install package cupsys-bsd because that package does not exist in Squeeze -- it is succeeded by cups-bsd. When hplip-3.14.4.run got to the Printer setup section it returned the message error: hp-setup failed. Please run hp-setup manually and closed down. Getting to Printer setup implies the software compiled, so it looks like the python setup on your machine is sufficiently sensible. Why is cupsys-bsd wanted? ~/hplip-3.14.4/installer/distros.dat clearly states that Debian 6.0 uses cups-bsd (which is what gets downloaded here). Install it with apt-get? Try out the hp-* commands which should now be on your system? Re-compile using custom? (cups-bsd is a purely optional package to use with cups. Printing works without it). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426100751.gn17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Systemd
On 2014-04-25, Ralf Mardorf info.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: For example, to correct idling mixture there under the hood was a screw on the carburetor, nowadays there's a connector for a computer inside the driver's cab. Assumed your car strikes in the middle of the wilderness, what kind of car do you prefer? A not buggy horse and buggy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlln0g5.2ep.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7
On Jo, 24 apr 14, 10:10:16, Ken Heard wrote: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed?version(bpo))' Ran this command, and only the following was returned. E: Expected ',', got ')'. Sorry, dropped the comma by mistake aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?version(bpo))' In the meantime between posts I managed to resuscitate an older HP Deskjet which I can use while in another box I get Wheezy and the new printer to work. I still however want to try your proposed solution in the Squeeze box when there is no longer any danger if something is irrevocably broken, and report the results to the list. Fair enough. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Network Performance Degrading over random amount of time
Am 2014-04-22 10:38, schrieb h...@xx0r.eu: Am 2014-04-20 23:49, schrieb Karl E. Jorgensen: Hi On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 01:01:53PM +0200, h...@xx0r.eu wrote: Hi List, maybe you have a clue about the issues im having since several months. My Homeserver is running Debian Jessy right now, the network issues where there with wheezy aswell. after a fresh boot my network behaves like it should archiving near gbit speeds which is nice, after a random amount of uptime though my throughput degrades below 100mbit network speeds (about ~3.5MB/s) i measured using iperf. You don't explicitly say... Does a reboot cure the problem (temporarily?) Yep thats exactly what a reboot does for me, i tenad to reboot about once every 2-3 days because of this issue, not something you would expect from a unix OS :D If so, does a ifdown eth0[1] + ifup eth0 have the same effect? (if necessary: Unplug and re-plug the cable between ifdown and ifup...) [A full reboot is a bit like a sledge hammer... very crude] I have yet to try this, will report back when i have the performance problem again and try it Just got the chance to try, and yes, an ifdown eth0 - Cable replug - ifup eth0 also cures this problem From the point-of-view of the switch, this should be almost indistinguishable from a full reboot... Anything in the kernel message log? (e.g. output of dmesg or /var/log/kern.log) It would be interesting if the kernel spat out some messages around the time of the degradation... E.g. link-level renegotiation or similar. Also: Anything interesting in the output of ifconfig eth0 ? I'm particularly interested in the counters for errors, dropped, overruns, frame/carrier counts: These counters may show interesting changes around the time of the degradation... I will write this down for next performance degration aswell Output of dmesg looks a bit suspicious: [40886.039833] irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpoll option) [40886.039963] CPU: 1 PID: 0 Comm: swapper/1 Not tainted 3.13-1-amd64 #1 Debian 3.13.7-1 [40886.039965] Hardware name: System manufacturer System Product Name/P8H67-M PRO, BIOS 3806 08/20/2012 [40886.039967] 88040bdca4bc 814a1327 88040bdca400 810aa4a8 [40886.039970] 88040bdca400 0010 810aa93a [40886.039973] 0010 [40886.039976] Call Trace: [40886.039977] IRQ [814a1327] ? dump_stack+0x41/0x51 [40886.039988] [810aa4a8] ? __report_bad_irq+0x28/0xc0 [40886.039991] [810aa93a] ? note_interrupt+0x1ba/0x210 [40886.039994] [810a8471] ? handle_irq_event_percpu+0xc1/0x1b0 [40886.039997] [810a8593] ? handle_irq_event+0x33/0x50 [40886.04] [810ab358] ? handle_fasteoi_irq+0x58/0x100 [40886.040004] [81014388] ? handle_irq+0x18/0x30 [40886.040007] [81013f20] ? do_IRQ+0x40/0xb0 [40886.040011] [814a6ead] ? common_interrupt+0x6d/0x6d [40886.040012] EOI [8107eb47] ? __hrtimer_start_range_ns+0x1b7/0x3e0 [40886.040019] [81388c9a] ? cpuidle_enter_state+0x4a/0xc0 [40886.040022] [81388db9] ? cpuidle_idle_call+0xa9/0x1d0 [40886.040025] [8101adb5] ? arch_cpu_idle+0x5/0x30 [40886.040028] [810a777e] ? cpu_startup_entry+0xbe/0x280 [40886.040032] [8103c484] ? start_secondary+0x1d4/0x230 [40886.040034] handlers: [40886.040173] [a010a7a0] ata_bmdma_interrupt [libata] [40886.040336] [a00a5450] e1000_intr [e1000] [40886.040506] Disabling IRQ #16 IRQ16 is related to eth0 according to /proc/interrupts: 16:31649923462922 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi pata_via, eth0 Output of ifconfig looks unsuspicious, a few dropped packets but nothing major: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:0e:0c:b9:5e:1d inet Adresse:192.168.1.20 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Maske:255.255.255.0 inet6-Adresse: fda3:32bd:abab:0:20e:cff:feb9:5e1d/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Global inet6-Adresse: fe80::20e:cff:feb9:5e1d/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Verbindung UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metrik:1 RX packets:11881446 errors:0 dropped:882 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:29392900 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:1000 RX bytes:7149517599 (6.6 GiB) TX bytes:69090488843 (64.3 GiB) Current Hardware: - Asus P8H67-M PRO - Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz - 16 GB DDR3 Ram (2*8GB Kingston ram) - Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller - TP-Link 8-Port gbit switches (2 of em between home-server and clients) *two* switches between server and clients? Sounds a bit unusual - at least for a home set-up... Well im a Console Collector and my Linux Server is right behind my Home Entertainment area in the living room. thats where the first switch is located to hook all the
Re: Network Performance Degrading over random amount of time
Am 2014-04-26 12:44, schrieb h...@xx0r.eu: Am 2014-04-22 10:38, schrieb h...@xx0r.eu: Am 2014-04-20 23:49, schrieb Karl E. Jorgensen: Hi On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 01:01:53PM +0200, h...@xx0r.eu wrote: Hi List, maybe you have a clue about the issues im having since several months. My Homeserver is running Debian Jessy right now, the network issues where there with wheezy aswell. after a fresh boot my network behaves like it should archiving near gbit speeds which is nice, after a random amount of uptime though my throughput degrades below 100mbit network speeds (about ~3.5MB/s) i measured using iperf. You don't explicitly say... Does a reboot cure the problem (temporarily?) Yep thats exactly what a reboot does for me, i tenad to reboot about once every 2-3 days because of this issue, not something you would expect from a unix OS :D If so, does a ifdown eth0[1] + ifup eth0 have the same effect? (if necessary: Unplug and re-plug the cable between ifdown and ifup...) [A full reboot is a bit like a sledge hammer... very crude] I have yet to try this, will report back when i have the performance problem again and try it Just got the chance to try, and yes, an ifdown eth0 - Cable replug - ifup eth0 also cures this problem From the point-of-view of the switch, this should be almost indistinguishable from a full reboot... Anything in the kernel message log? (e.g. output of dmesg or /var/log/kern.log) It would be interesting if the kernel spat out some messages around the time of the degradation... E.g. link-level renegotiation or similar. Also: Anything interesting in the output of ifconfig eth0 ? I'm particularly interested in the counters for errors, dropped, overruns, frame/carrier counts: These counters may show interesting changes around the time of the degradation... I will write this down for next performance degration aswell Output of dmesg looks a bit suspicious: [40886.039833] irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpoll option) [40886.039963] CPU: 1 PID: 0 Comm: swapper/1 Not tainted 3.13-1-amd64 #1 Debian 3.13.7-1 [40886.039965] Hardware name: System manufacturer System Product Name/P8H67-M PRO, BIOS 3806 08/20/2012 [40886.039967] 88040bdca4bc 814a1327 88040bdca400 810aa4a8 [40886.039970] 88040bdca400 0010 810aa93a [40886.039973] 0010 [40886.039976] Call Trace: [40886.039977] IRQ [814a1327] ? dump_stack+0x41/0x51 [40886.039988] [810aa4a8] ? __report_bad_irq+0x28/0xc0 [40886.039991] [810aa93a] ? note_interrupt+0x1ba/0x210 [40886.039994] [810a8471] ? handle_irq_event_percpu+0xc1/0x1b0 [40886.039997] [810a8593] ? handle_irq_event+0x33/0x50 [40886.04] [810ab358] ? handle_fasteoi_irq+0x58/0x100 [40886.040004] [81014388] ? handle_irq+0x18/0x30 [40886.040007] [81013f20] ? do_IRQ+0x40/0xb0 [40886.040011] [814a6ead] ? common_interrupt+0x6d/0x6d [40886.040012] EOI [8107eb47] ? __hrtimer_start_range_ns+0x1b7/0x3e0 [40886.040019] [81388c9a] ? cpuidle_enter_state+0x4a/0xc0 [40886.040022] [81388db9] ? cpuidle_idle_call+0xa9/0x1d0 [40886.040025] [8101adb5] ? arch_cpu_idle+0x5/0x30 [40886.040028] [810a777e] ? cpu_startup_entry+0xbe/0x280 [40886.040032] [8103c484] ? start_secondary+0x1d4/0x230 [40886.040034] handlers: [40886.040173] [a010a7a0] ata_bmdma_interrupt [libata] [40886.040336] [a00a5450] e1000_intr [e1000] [40886.040506] Disabling IRQ #16 IRQ16 is related to eth0 according to /proc/interrupts: 16:31649923462922 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi pata_via, eth0 Output of ifconfig looks unsuspicious, a few dropped packets but nothing major: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:0e:0c:b9:5e:1d inet Adresse:192.168.1.20 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Maske:255.255.255.0 inet6-Adresse: fda3:32bd:abab:0:20e:cff:feb9:5e1d/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Global inet6-Adresse: fe80::20e:cff:feb9:5e1d/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Verbindung UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metrik:1 RX packets:11881446 errors:0 dropped:882 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:29392900 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:1000 RX bytes:7149517599 (6.6 GiB) TX bytes:69090488843 (64.3 GiB) Current Hardware: - Asus P8H67-M PRO - Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz - 16 GB DDR3 Ram (2*8GB Kingston ram) - Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller - TP-Link 8-Port gbit switches (2 of em between home-server and clients) *two* switches between server and clients? Sounds a bit unusual - at least for a home set-up... Well im a Console Collector and my Linux Server is right behind my Home Entertainment area in the living room. thats where the first switch
Re: Systemd
Curt writes: On 2014-04-25, Ralf Mardorf info.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: For example, to correct idling mixture there under the hood was a screw on the carburetor, nowadays there's a connector for a computer inside the driver's cab. Assumed your car strikes in the middle of the wilderness, what kind of car do you prefer? A not buggy horse and buggy. I am still for a Citroën Dyane (possibly Fire Engine Red livery) or a 2CV with a bag of good tools. You can even start it up engaging the lift jack crank the motor shaft. Damn funny. And useful. Maybe Citroën kept this feature even in the CX model, GS had for sure... -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21339.36911.449212.997...@mail.eng.it
Re: Systemd
On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 09:54:08 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-04-25, Ralf Mardorf info.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: For example, to correct idling mixture there under the hood was a screw on the carburetor, nowadays there's a connector for a computer inside the driver's cab. Assumed your car strikes in the middle of the wilderness, what kind of car do you prefer? A not buggy horse and buggy. Isn't that a quote from Travels on the Fringes of Surrey by Orson Cart? I'll get me coat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426111543.go17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
- Original Message - From: Gábor Hársfalvi Sent: 04/26/14 05:30 PM To: Joe Subject: Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth But when I try connecting - network manager always disconnect. And I found in the logs: modem-manager: Got failure code 3: Operation not allowed and Error connecting with bluez: Port already in use Where does Network Manager keep its logs? What is the full path? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426113709.290...@gmx.com
Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth
/var/log/daemon.log 2014-04-26 13:37 GMT+02:00 Theodore Alcapotaxis theota...@mail.com: - Original Message - From: Gábor Hársfalvi Sent: 04/26/14 05:30 PM To: Joe Subject: Re: Mobile Broadband with Btooth But when I try connecting - network manager always disconnect. And I found in the logs: modem-manager: Got failure code 3: Operation not allowed and Error connecting with bluez: Port already in use Where does Network Manager keep its logs? What is the full path?
Re: Security updates are untrusted
On Jo, 24 apr 14, 15:58:20, Carl Johnson wrote: I just now told aptitude to do an update, and it appears that all of those have disappeared now! Maybe I had gotten a bad update the last time I had updated. That's a likely explanation. Sorry for the false alarm and thanks for the reply. It's much better than just ignoring/overriding the warning(s) ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd
On 2014-04-26, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: A not buggy horse and buggy. Isn't that a quote from Travels on the Fringes of Surrey by Orson Cart? He might have coached me. I'll get me coat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlln8bd.2ep.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Systemd
On Sb, 26 apr 14, 03:36:09, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. ... and if I read all of the seven thousand posts there, I won't have time left in the week to actually get anything done! Wow. I thought python-ideas had long discussions. In chronological order: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00182.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Long-term support for Squeeze
On Mi, 19 mar 14, 11:42:25, Scott Ferguson wrote: This may be of interest to those, like me, still have Debian Squeeze deployed:- http://rgeissert.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/debian-squeeze-lts.html NOTE: it's the blog of a Debian developer, not click-bait. But I haven't disabled Ad-Block so don't know if it's ad-free. Partial quotes:- As announced in the Bits from the Security Team email a couple of weeks ago, it is possible that Debian squeeze will have Long Term Support, primarily in the way of security updates. snipped This is official now: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2014/msg2.html Perhaps it wasn't stressed enough in the email, but those who are interested in benefiting from (and therefore contributing to) long term support, please do contact the security team NOW. After all, the clock keeps ticking and Debian squeeze is going to reach its End of Life in less than two months otherwise. Contributions are still wanted though. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd
On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 12:08:07 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-04-26, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: A not buggy horse and buggy. Isn't that a quote from Travels on the Fringes of Surrey by Orson Cart? He might have coached me. I'll get me coat. It wouldn't be unknown. He was the sort of person to spur people on once he got the bit between his teeth. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/26042014133101.173c102e6...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate
I would tell you a my tip: - if you want go from stable to testing/unstable before you must change your channel in repository's file located in /etc/apt/sources.list. - after this edit, these are the right sequence of command by terminal: # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade # apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude # aptitude safe-upgrade # aptitude full-upgrade # update-grub In this way you shoudn't have some problems of conflicts or packages removed in strange way. I hope to give my little contribution, I don't know how functional as it can be. Bye. 2014-04-26 12:00 GMT+02:00 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com: On Vi, 25 apr 14, 13:22:03, The Wanderer wrote: This is obviously a bug somewhere (albeit probably not a severe one in practice), but I'm not even sure what package the bug would be in. Any hints, or ideas what might be going on here? I suggest you post this to http://lists.debian.org/deity or report a bug against apt. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAF-vDa8XY9cO6OMyqeSg4cpgk1+L=1qwjaz4ub7yr8s2xpx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Network Performance Degrading over random amount of time
Hi On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 01:01:25PM +0200, h...@xx0r.eu wrote: Am 2014-04-26 12:44, schrieb h...@xx0r.eu: Am 2014-04-22 10:38, schrieb h...@xx0r.eu: Am 2014-04-20 23:49, schrieb Karl E. Jorgensen: Hi On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 01:01:53PM +0200, h...@xx0r.eu wrote: Hi List, maybe you have a clue about the issues im having since several months. My Homeserver is running Debian Jessy right now, the network issues where there with wheezy aswell. after a fresh boot my network behaves like it should archiving near gbit speeds which is nice, after a random amount of uptime though my throughput degrades below 100mbit network speeds (about ~3.5MB/s) i measured using iperf. You don't explicitly say... Does a reboot cure the problem (temporarily?) Yep thats exactly what a reboot does for me, i tenad to reboot about once every 2-3 days because of this issue, not something you would expect from a unix OS :D If so, does a ifdown eth0[1] + ifup eth0 have the same effect? (if necessary: Unplug and re-plug the cable between ifdown and ifup...) [A full reboot is a bit like a sledge hammer... very crude] I have yet to try this, will report back when i have the performance problem again and try it Just got the chance to try, and yes, an ifdown eth0 - Cable replug - ifup eth0 also cures this problem Sounds good. Is a cable replug _necessary_ to cure it? If it can be cured (or at least worked around) with ifdown/ifup on it's own, (possibly with rmmod/modprobe of relevant kernel modules in between), then you at least have a scriptable workaround. Anything in the kernel message log? (e.g. output of dmesg or /var/log/kern.log) It would be interesting if the kernel spat out some messages around the time of the degradation... E.g. link-level renegotiation or similar. Also: Anything interesting in the output of ifconfig eth0 ? I'm particularly interested in the counters for errors, dropped, overruns, frame/carrier counts: These counters may show interesting changes around the time of the degradation... I will write this down for next performance degration aswell Output of dmesg looks a bit suspicious: [40886.039833] irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpoll option) ooh. Interesting. If you're on wheezy, use dmesg --ctime or dmesg -T to get human-readable timestamps. (or just check /var/log/kern.log) [snipped most of kernel output] .. [40886.040506] Disabling IRQ #16 IRQ16 is related to eth0 according to /proc/interrupts: 16:31649923462922 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi pata_via, eth0 Yes - it would be an amazing coincidence if it is not related. Output of ifconfig looks unsuspicious, a few dropped packets but nothing major: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:0e:0c:b9:5e:1d inet Adresse:192.168.1.20 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Maske:255.255.255.0 inet6-Adresse: fda3:32bd:abab:0:20e:cff:feb9:5e1d/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Global inet6-Adresse: fe80::20e:cff:feb9:5e1d/64 Gültigkeitsbereich:Verbindung UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metrik:1 RX packets:11881446 errors:0 dropped:882 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:29392900 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:1000 RX bytes:7149517599 (6.6 GiB) TX bytes:69090488843 (64.3 GiB) Oh - German :-) Interesting that it is only partly i18n'd. I don't think errors is correct German? Not fehler? (I guess you would know for sure, I'm only a Dane with rusty German skills...) I wouldn't be surprised if the dropped packets are a result of the cable un-plug/re-plug (assuming the output is from after the cable play). Conclusion: With all this information i was able to track the root case of my issue down on my own, i guess im screwed since my asus board uses PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1083/1085 PCIe to PCI Bridge (rev 01) which is commonly known to have a BUG regarding the handling of Interupts on the PCI bus.. ouch. I'm no PCI expert... If the bug only affects *some* interrupt numbers, it may be possible to force the card/kernel module to use a different IRQ? I'm thinking kernel module options and/or BIOS settings? 2 options for me now: Switch to a much more expensive pcie gbit card, or buy an even more expensive new mainbord... Perhaps a BIOS/firmware upgrade is possible? Well... Fuck Surely there are more suitable German expletives here? But I get the sentiment :-) Regards -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426140718.GA461@hawking
Re: Systemd
On 20140425_1642-0700, David Glover-Aoki wrote: On 25 Apr 2014, at 03:04 pm, Dale Harris rod...@gmail.com wrote: Soon systemd will just become the OS, there will be no Linux... Look in Wikipedia for 'linux cgroups'. There is a lot of information about what has happened internally to the Linux kernel, and a bunch of projects that operate outside the kernel. There are a bunch of short articles in Wikipedia that are worth looking at to get a top level idea of what is going on. I started with 'linux cgroups', and followed the 'see also' and hot links. My user level view is that cgroups are a permanent new feature of Linux. Systemd is not a 'replacement' for Linux, but a replacement for init, as we had come to know it. The new version uses cgroup, and related new features in the kernel, to reliably automate functions that were previously done by shared control in user-space and kernel-space. About the binary log file. My sense from reading the Wikipedia stuff is that the 'binary log file' might more properly be called a journal file in the sense that file systems ext3 and ext4 have a journal file, i.e. temporary storage for critical, but ephemeral, internal information. Its format is governed by its use within the kernel; not by user wishful thinking. It should be trivial for a skilled person to write a user-readable traditional system log file, but the new kernel is seriously multithreaded, and the result might not be useful to anyone. Certainly the kernel developers are making progress on cgroups, et.al., without an old style log. They must have developed new substitute diagnostic tools. I am genuinely convinced that this is the ultimate goal of the systemd devs. I am genuinely convinced that the ultimate goal of the systemd devs is a better, more manageable kernel/init system. The old way will continue to exist, but won't be the platform on which useful innovation is implemented. IMHO -- David Glover-Aoki | https://david.gloveraoki.net/contact PGP key 5518C7DE | Amateur Radio KJ6TLX Welcome to the future. I didn't like it either, until I realized the alternative was much worse. Cheers, -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426135626.ga25...@big.lan.gnu
Re: dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate
Hi, On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 03:29:49PM +0200, Carlo wrote: I would tell you a my tip: - if you want go from stable to testing/unstable before you must change your channel in repository's file located in /etc/apt/sources.list. - after this edit, these are the right sequence of command by terminal: # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade # apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude # aptitude safe-upgrade ??? # aptitude full-upgrade ??? # update-grub Where did you get this idea of using aptitude, Carlo? Is this in current release/installation guide? Curious. safe-upgrade may be harmless. But full-upgrade had some odd behavior cases. (OP may have been hit by multiarch related issue. Your suggestion of apt-get install ... or similar may help avoid some of them.) I thought we are not recommending to use the command line use of aptitude for the release-to-release upgrade. (I love aptitude in console terminal view.) Regards, Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426151838.GD29369@goofy
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Richard Hector wrote: On 24/04/14 04:06, Patrick Bartek wrote: I don't know if a Google/gmail account is really _required_ with Android phones, but you are strongly advised (and nagged) to set up one. As you said, without it, no OS or app updates, no app downloads, etc. So for full phone functionality, you need one. I got OS updates until they dropped the Galaxy Nexus updates with the update to Kitkat. Well, my Andoid phone is somewhat older -- T-Mobile Comet (Huawei M835) -- and the OS -- Android 2.2. So, things have changed. The last OS update/upgrade I got was years ago. From 2.1 to 2.2. I don't think the phone can handle anything newer. When I check for OS updates, it says the OS is up-to-date. I occassionally do get app updates. Bug fixes, I assume. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426091816.3392f...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
Somehow this thread got slightly OT... On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I really want to limit myself to f-droid, but they're really pretty lacking. They don't even have an ssh server! Try aptoide (an apt-inspired android market, not an apt fork in the Debian repos). My 2 OT¢ Regards, Nuno -- On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadqa9uypgdebpp57ceevxntdgmrht3izkforz_0libk0nr6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Security updates are untrusted
Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org writes: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 14:58:52 -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: I was just noticing that aptitude warns that a number of packages are listed as untrusted. I checked using 'apt-cache policy' and those I just now told aptitude to do an update, and it appears that all of those have disappeared now! Maybe I had gotten a bad update the last time I had updated. Sorry for the false alarm and thanks for the reply. I was just checking again and the problem had returned. This time, I immediately told aptitude to do an update and the untrusted warnings went away again. I suspect they will come back in another day or two, but they don't after just exiting and restarting aptitude. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87lhus3txs.fsf@oak.localnet
Directly connecting two computers
Hello, I have two computer that I want to connect directly, similarly as I did long time ago with Null-Modem cable ( or LapLink cable). I have obtained a crossover ethernet cable that I plug in network card of each computer. Now the problem is how to configure eth0 on both computer so they can communicate. In /etc/hosts on both computers I have 192.168.231.2 neolit 192.168.231.3 paleolit On one computer I have this entry in /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.231.3 pointopoint 192.168.231.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 When I run command route on this computer I get # route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface neolit * 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0 I can ping paleolit on this computer. But ping neolit does not work as expected. On other computer I have this auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.231.2 pointopoint 192.168.231.3 netmask 255.255.255.255 Same command on this computer gives me # route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface paleolit * 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0 On this computer I can successfully run ping neolit but not ping paleolit. Anyway on each computer I can use eth0 interface for any local service (smtp, http ...) but I can not connect to other side of the cable. Can somebody tell what I need to change in /etc/network/interfaces entry for eth0 or is there some other setting that need to be done? Thanks Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426173631.GC2571@alfa
Re: Directly connecting two computers
On 27/04/14 05:36, Martin wrote: Hello, I have two computer that I want to connect directly, similarly as I did long time ago with Null-Modem cable ( or LapLink cable). I have obtained a crossover ethernet cable that I plug in network card of each computer. Now the problem is how to configure eth0 on both computer so they can communicate. In /etc/hosts on both computers I have 192.168.231.2 neolit 192.168.231.3 paleolit All good so far. On one computer I have this entry in /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.231.3 pointopoint 192.168.231.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 I don't know if pointopoint can work with ethernet cards, but anyway there's no need for it. Just use (on paleolit): auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.231.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 ... and change the address appropriately on the other one. You don't need to tell it explicitly where to find the other machine; the netmask says that 192.168.231.* are all on that network. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535c016f.7070...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: Systemd
Ralf Mardorf info.mard...@rocketmail.com writes: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky to be able to change the air filter. That's a nice analogy :). We could repair our old cars using a hammer and screwdriver, today we need to be computer experts to repair a car. For example, to correct idling mixture there under the hood was a screw on the carburetor, nowadays there's a connector for a computer inside the driver's cab. Assumed your car strikes in the middle of the wilderness, what kind of car do you prefer? I've never had a car stop dead due to the idle mixture going out of spec. When something has gone seriously enough wrong with one of my cars to stop it, the fact that it had a carburetor (as my daily driver, a '78 Chrysler Newport, does) or a computer has been totally irrelevant. I maintain that anybody who is afraid of modern fuel injection has never rebuilt a ThermoQuad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1bwqebu4uu@snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net
Re: libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict (Solved)
On 04/26/2014 02:57 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 25 apr 14, 17:29:13, Gary Roach wrote: When running Aptitude, a red bar in the bottom half of the screen says Unable to resolve dependencies. If I hit g after I update package list and Mark Upgradable, the top of the screen lists: iB libc-bin pBA libc-bin:amd64 The red box in the center of the screen says: No solution to these descrepency problems exists! At this point Aptitude is essentially frozen. Attempts to run dpkg produce: root# dpkg -i libc-bin dpkg: error processing libc-bin (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: libc-bin This can't work, because 'dpkg -i' needs files (not package names). Please provide the output of: dpkg --print-architecture dpkg --print-foreign-architectures apt-cache policy apt-cache policy libc-bin aptitude --simulate safe-upgrade aptitude --simulate full-upgrade I'm assuming your package lists are updated, otherwise please run 'aptitude update' (or press 'u' in interactive mode) first. Kind regards, Andrei I ran your suggestions. When aptitude --simulate worked OK, I decided to run a dpkg upgrade and it worked. I found that something was wrong with Aptitude. I purged Aptitude using apt-get and reinstalled the package. Everything now works fine. Thanks for your help. Gary R -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535c2b69.8040...@verizon.net
Re: Systemd
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote: I've never had a car stop dead due to the idle mixture going out of spec. When something has gone seriously enough wrong with one of my cars to stop it, the fact that it had a carburetor (as my daily driver, a '78 Chrysler Newport, does) or a computer has been totally irrelevant. The last time I was in a vehicle with bad idle settings was a Volkswagen Kombi - a nine-seater van. Not only could you tweak the idling with a screwdriver (at least, I think that's what Dad used - it was his, not mine), you didn't even have to exit to do so, because the engine settings sat between the front two seats! Is that the equivalent of running everything in a terminal? ChrisA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/captjjmoy5obxjs7qnncoyvypqxpyetx4o_d0dtbrb1is3xp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/26/2014 06:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 25 apr 14, 13:22:03, The Wanderer wrote: This is obviously a bug somewhere (albeit probably not a severe one in practice), but I'm not even sure what package the bug would be in. Any hints, or ideas what might be going on here? I suggest you post this to http://lists.debian.org/deity or report a bug against apt. I'd thought of that, but wasn't sure that was sufficiently likely to be the location of the problem. Digging deeper now, what I'm seeing looks like a less severe version of something that was reported back in 2009, and apparently never followed up on: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519469 I'll post to that bug, though I'm not hopeful of its getting any attention at this late date. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTXFOMAAoJEASpNY00KDJrGEYP/j2nhd8sU+PCX5InlUzI8Cft 66b3jJRJd9zrhbEYKxbxcRVcesjA9HIAWV4zw/YmoQuBLeM3PfB6yXda2aaR+mHd tcm2MZne9DBta6YqxXwrQeeOz06o+VfGYYg1QBc5kBAkzazcXIrvqFg7z6UQv4yL fONK0y0/li2zutNyXfbcagDZDsDqmKGA4TvKwOfo+pQxLHp6F+8bT3DvbHNRTat7 U2DqTPqf05VbB0Vy5rDT+X3cvPtgmhV5XHm43aECSJIjva3H956VF/Xznt3P+NrV E/PrGo8uibGWSoOgEXGSFv2rjf21H9mvVlijiTrjSBtYbc884p2aMdRdTSA8yM5R U5Dz9ptDofi+jQuRunicqCkv0W/Vb8+wwtVjHoXyKC/kZr0IxinMugo0pTA0ntDp Xylub4PI2BaDgs69S56Mo43eO6sVFNQfZQ9D5GJaSiMmv7f3+2fcTxjOBhMcWpow Fw7xFBto5dAKoTzjg3DCPkehbsWv/d/WIzRAIW0e0Rf27vRdHVGk0SctZEWIFuqj eII7vAf+WIUm/OR40NhPLDQDjpnvS+UVn59xpV23+Pesqq8mBuW+uq6Mt4UoNFhh iJfCi1lx4M1lb/4MLEyP4nXxt7LPuMQOXOg+Z6D6yHychqIk0/BHdZX4x51wzXHa ey+INGb5tLEyciQhT55h =BcS1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535c538c.10...@fastmail.fm
Re: Directly connecting two computers
Most Ethernet network cards these days can do auto detection ... you can use a standard network cable instead of needing a cross over cable. I could be wrong, it might be just switches that auto detect. Once connected, you just need to make sure that each end is on the same network (ifconfig ) and you should be fine. Cheers A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535c7643.1030...@affinityvision.com.au
How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?
With more and more disks being manufactured with Advanced format (4096-byte physical sectors) I'm wondering how I can tell the Debian-installer partitioner to align all partitions on 4096-byte (or 1 MiB for FLASH) boundaries? Is there some parameter I can pre-seed -- or set at runtime? Thanks for any help! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/0cf02436-baaf-429a-91be-486eaaf99...@pobox.com
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 05:40:19 +0200 Ralf Mardorf kde.li...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 18:12 -0400, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:58:39 -0700 Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: ... IMAP was the recommended way to access free Yahoo Mail with an email client. You had to convert to a paid account to get POP access. Don't know if that's still the case. Some accounts seem to get free POP, while others don't. I have a Yahoo account I created a long time ago which has free POP, whereas one I created more recently doesn't. My Yahoo account isn't old, just a few month old, after it became impossible to get another Rocketmail account, but has got free as in beer POP support. I really don't know the rules, if there are any. Was just reporting my own experiences. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426234638.9e698411a0ad88734bf84...@gmail.com
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:01:21 +0100 Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: Somehow this thread got slightly OT... On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: [Quoting error - this was me.] I really want to limit myself to f-droid, but they're really pretty lacking. They don't even have an ssh server! Try aptoide (an apt-inspired android market, not an apt fork in the Debian repos). Thanks for the suggestion, but how does this solve our problems? We'd really like to avoid Google's store, for privacy and other reasons, but f-droid just isn't enough. Aptoide, IIUC, just provides a common interface that allows us to use different app markets. [I haven't yet played with it, though.] Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426235112.0880ae4a621ad2225387d...@gmail.com
Setting Up a Google+less GMail Account
As said a few days ago, if I was able to create a gmail account without signing up for Google+, too, I would post how I did it. Chrome is my default browser, and all below was done with it. SETTING UP A GOOGLE+LESS GMAIL ACCOUNT 1. Go to 'mail.google.com' 2. Click on Create an Account. 3. Fill out the form. You don't have to enter a phone number. Just enter the security code. 4. Once you've completed the sign up page, click Next. You'll be taken to the Profile page. 5. Don't enter anything. Just quit that page. (To be safe, I quit the whole browser as well.) 6. Go to 'mail.google.com' again. I was expecting to get the login page, but instead I was taken directly to my new gmail account. Don't know why. 7. Log out of 'Hangouts.' Left middle of page. This isn't necessary, but I have no use for this gmail feature. 8. Configure your new Google+less gmail account. 9. Log out. 10. Done. Unfortunately, when you log out Google sets the login page with your new email address, but without the password. I didn't want that. As I use Chrome, I went to Tools-Clear Browsing Data, unticked everything except Cookies ... and Autofill ... and cleared everything set for the Past Hour option. Google Mail login is now clear. FWIW, as long as you use a browser to access the account, you're going to be nagged or possibly tricked to activate Google+. Here's a link to quit Google+ without loosing your gmail account. It is the most recent set of instructions I could find. http://www.freelancerseoconsultant.com/2013/01/how-to-delete-google-plus-or-google.html Posted from my new gmail account. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140426212731.7fba1...@debian7.boseck208.net
