date:20140513

El Tue, 13 May 2014 08:48:37 -0300, Flako escribió:

 Camaleon:
en Thunderbird en la sección de proxy (la parte web funciona,
 porque me carga mozilla.org)
En Windows Live mail desde configuración de sistemas de windows
 (parece no tener una sección proxy)

Hum... no, a ver, creo que no entiendes lo que te pregunto ni por qué te 
lo pregunto :-)

Dijiste en tu primer mensaje que el cliente de correo que tienes en un 
equipo que usa squid (lo llamaremos equipo 1) estaba configurado para 
usar el proxy y que te permitía descargar/enviar correos pero que en otro 
equipo (equipo 2) que también usa squid+dansguardian+ipcop configurado de 
igual forma esto no era posible.

Si en un equipo que usa squid recibes/envías correo sin problemas y en 
otro no, es porque el primero no te está filtrando los puertos para envío/
recepción de correo y el segundo sí.

Otra posibilidad para que eso suceda sería que la configuración de la 
conexión a la red del cliente de correo no se estuviera aplicando 
correctamente de ahí que te preguntara qué cliente estabas usando y qué 
datos habías puesto pero el hecho de que Thunderbid te cargue una web no 
significa nada, ya que eso es tráfico http no pop3/smtp que es de lo que 
estamos hablando.

En resumen, si tienes un cliente de correo configurado para usar squid y 
squid no está configurado ni directa ni indirectamente para impedir ese 
tráfico, el cliente podrá recibir/enviar correos. Lo raro en este caso es 
que el cliente de correo se conecte a los servidores remotos con esa 
configuración, y si lo hace es porque seguramente la esté omitiendo.

Las lineas del squid.conf del ipcop, no son para web mail porque
 los web mail usan HTTP/S (80/443), yo los agregue solo para ver que
 pasaba.. por si redireccionaba los puertos... (pero no lo hace)

Bueno, cuidado con esa percepción que es engañosa. En la web de Squid lo 
comentan:

http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/SecurityPitfalls

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Re: dudas con altermime

El día 12 de mayo de 2014, 18:50, Ariel ar...@cncc.cult.cu escribió:

(recupero este correo de mi filtro... gente, cuidado donde enviáis los mensajes)

 El 12/05/2014 12:39, Camaleón escribió:

 El Mon, 12 May 2014 12:27:47 -0400, Ariel escribió:




 hablando de altermine, el mio esta funcionando sin problemas, es decir
 puedo poner un pie de texto en todos mis correos salientes, el problema
 esta en que no lo puedo usar si tengo spamassasin, alguna sugerencia??


 No sé si SA lo permite (quizá a través de algún plugin :-?), pero
 amavisd-new sí. ¿Cómo llamas al SA, usas spamd?

 uso amavis-new y spamassasin, el problema es que o uno o el otro, es decir o
 utilizo un pir de texto en mis correos salientes o marco los correos como
 posibles spam, pero ambos  no me deja

Hum... a ver, postfix tiene que estar conectado con amavisd-new y
amavisd-new tiene que llamar al resto de componentes (SA, clamav,
altermime...) para procesar el correo y volver a reinyectarlo en
postfix. Es decir, en teoría es posible hacerlo.

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Re: OT: Algunas preguntas sobre TT-Rss

El Tue, 13 May 2014 11:28:26 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

 Bueno, he avanzado algo ... La única forma de guardar las feeds es
 utilizando la función starred como decía Adrià, y es la única manera
 ... Para eliminar permanentement la cosa se complica bastante ... En
 fin, seguiré mirando ...
 
 Si al final volveré al lector de rss de thunderbird ... :))

Trabajar con los rss es un poco lioso, pasa igual que con los artículos 
de las news (nntp), al fin y al cabo en ambos casos se trabaja con 
recursos en línea (de sólo lectura, no alterables por el cliente) y la 
caché local que sirve para agilizar la carga de esos recursos.

Borrar en estos casos no conlleva más que eliminar del caché local el 
artículo que queremos pero si volvemos a sincronizar con el servidor 
remoto volverá a aparecer de nuevo, de ahí que sea necesario configurar 
el cliente para decirle exactamente qué queremos hacer con los artículos 
marcados como eliminados (p. ej., borrarlo localmente de la caché y no 
volver a descargarlo).

Tanto en Liferea (rss) como en Pan (nntp) tengo configuradas las opciones 
básicas para la gestión de los artículos, es decir:

- Caché local activado
- Mantener los artículos durante x días y después eliminarlos/purgarlos 
del caché

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Re: OT: Algunas preguntas sobre TT-Rss

2014-05-13 Thread C. L. Martinez

2014-05-13 14:04 GMT+00:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
El Tue, 13 May 2014 11:28:26 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

Si al final volveré al lector de rss de thunderbird ... :))

Trabajar con los rss es un poco lioso, pasa igual que con los artículos
de las news (nntp), al fin y al cabo en ambos casos se trabaja con
recursos en línea (de sólo lectura, no alterables por el cliente) y la
caché local que sirve para agilizar la carga de esos recursos.

Borrar en estos casos no conlleva más que eliminar del caché local el
artículo que queremos pero si volvemos a sincronizar con el servidor
remoto volverá a aparecer de nuevo, de ahí que sea necesario configurar
el cliente para decirle exactamente qué queremos hacer con los artículos
marcados como eliminados (p. ej., borrarlo localmente de la caché y no
volver a descargarlo).

Tanto en Liferea (rss) como en Pan (nntp) tengo configuradas las opciones
básicas para la gestión de los artículos, es decir:

- Caché local activado
- Mantener los artículos durante x días y después eliminarlos/purgarlos
del caché

Saludos,

Correcto. El tema es que yo quiero guardar ciertos artículos y que no
sean borrados nunca a menos que yo lo especifique. Y eso parece ser
que con tt-rss solo se puede hacer de dos formas: utilizando
Archived (pero descuadra todo el árbol de carpetas) o utilizando
Starred ... En fin, lo que digo: sigo mirando.

Saludos.

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Re: OT: Algunas preguntas sobre TT-Rss

El Tue, 13 May 2014 14:24:31 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

 2014-05-13 14:04 GMT+00:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Tue, 13 May 2014 11:28:26 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

 Bueno, he avanzado algo ... La única forma de guardar las feeds es
 utilizando la función starred como decía Adrià, y es la única manera
 ... Para eliminar permanentement la cosa se complica bastante ... En
 fin, seguiré mirando ...

(...)

 Tanto en Liferea (rss) como en Pan (nntp) tengo configuradas las
 opciones básicas para la gestión de los artículos, es decir:

 - Caché local activado - Mantener los artículos durante x días y
 después eliminarlos/purgarlos del caché

 Correcto. El tema es que yo quiero guardar ciertos artículos y que no
 sean borrados nunca a menos que yo lo especifique. Y eso parece ser que
 con tt-rss solo se puede hacer de dos formas: utilizando Archived
 (pero descuadra todo el árbol de carpetas) o utilizando Starred ... En
 fin, lo que digo: sigo mirando.

¿Por qué dices que te descuadra todo el árbol de carpetas?

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iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

Antes de nada, un saludito a la lista: estuve apuntado hace
ya un puñado de años... y ahora procuro volver.

A lo que vamos. Tengo un problema que sé que creo resolver, pero no sé
si habrá otra mejor solución o si simplemente estoy reinventando la
rueda (quizás haya software que lo haga ya, pero no lo he encontrado).

Mi problema son los smartphones: hay demasiados y no quiero dejar que se
conecten a la red wifi o, mejor dicho, que se conecten a internet a
través de la red wifi.

He estado indagando sobre esto y he logrado identificarlos más o menos
fielmente con el servidor dhcp siguiendo ciertos criterios que ahora no
vienen a cuento.

Muy bien, ya los tengo identificados y se me ocurre, bien darles un
subrango de direcciones ip que luego filtro con iptables, bien
denegarles directamente la ip. Hasta aquí todo bien. El problema es que
este es un criterio demasiado endeble, porque siempre queda la
posibilidad de que un avispado se de cuenta de que poniendo él una ip
fija, consigue salir a internet; y luego se propague la voz.

Para atajarlo se me ha ocurrido lo siguiente:

1. Al identificarlo con el servidor dhcp como un smartphone, además de
   darle ip en el subrango filtrado, apunto su dirección MAC en el fichero
   de log (pongamos que es /var/log/dhcpd.log).

2. Me creo un demonio que cada medio minuto, por ejemplo, recopile esas
   MAC y cree reglas de filtrado de iptables. Para no acumular y
   acomular direcciones MAC, el veto dura cierto tiempo, después del
   cual elimino la regla.

3. Esto que pretendo hacer es algo parecido a lo que hace denyhosts o,
   más aún, fail2ban. No he usado este segundo, pero me imagino que ni
   tiene esto que quiero ni habrá posibilidad de escribirle un módulo,
   porque supongo que su filtrado se basa en ip de origen y el mío tiene
   que ser mac de origen.

Mi duda viene de cuál es la mejor forma de crear las reglas iptables
para que las comprobaciones de las reglas de filtrado de MAC sean las
mínimas, ya que quizás puede que se junten muchas MAC vetadas y eso
imagino que relentizará el flujo de paquetes.

A mí se me ha ocurrido lo siguiente (supongamos que las comunicaciones
con los equipos de la red wifi se reciben por la interfaz eth1):

iptables -t nat -N SMARTPHONES
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp -j SMARTPHONES
iptables -I FORWARD -m connmark --mark 0xfe -j DROP
iptables -I INPUT -m connmark --mark 0xfe -j DROP

# Todas estas reglas serían las que tendría
# dinámicamente que ir creando y borrando
iptables -I SMARTPHONES -m mac --mac-source AA -j CONNMARK --set-mark 0xfe
.
.
.
iptables -I SMARTPHONES -m mac --mac-source ZZ -j CONNMARK --set-mark 0xfe

O sea, la idea que tengo es solamente hacer las comprobaciones de la MAC
con el primer paquete de la conexión y ponerle una marca. Eso evita que
los siguientes paquetes de las máquinas que pueden conectar tengan que
atravesar de nuevo toda la lista de direcciones MAC. ¿Es buena idea
esto? ¿Creéis que funcionará? Lo que no sé si hacer es justamente
después de marcar el paquete, salir de la cadena SMARTPHONES:

iptables -A SMARTPHONES -m mac --mac-source AA -j CONNMARK --set-mark 0xfe
iptables -A SMARTPHONES -m connmark --mark 0xfe -j RETURN

Esto duplica las reglas de la cadena SMARTPHONES a cambio de no tener
que comprobar todas las reglas, si el paquete resulta marcado. No sé qué
será lo menos costoso: supongo que dependerá de la proporción de
máquinas filtradas respecto a las totales. Tampoco sé muy bien si todas
las comprobaciones son igual de costosas: imagino que no.

De antemano, muchas gracias y perdón por el tochazo.

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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

El Tue, 13 May 2014 17:31:52 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

(...)

 A lo que vamos. Tengo un problema que sé que creo resolver, pero no sé
 si habrá otra mejor solución o si simplemente estoy reinventando la
 rueda (quizás haya software que lo haga ya, pero no lo he encontrado).
 
 Mi problema son los smartphones: hay demasiados y no quiero dejar que se
 conecten a la red wifi o, mejor dicho, que se conecten a internet a
 través de la red wifi.

(...)

Preguntonta: ¿No hay un proxy de por medio que actué como agente de 
tráfico y que te evite la manipulación del enrutado (iptables)?

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Gerardito

2014-05-13 Thread Gerardo

Colegas Resulta que tengo el ultracopier de Debian pero necesito que se active 
de forma automatica en kde 4.8 pues al copiar un archivo, me sale el que trae 
predeterminado. Existe alguna configuracion o ejecutable que se active al 
mandar a copiar un archivo en kde4.8?.


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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

El Tue, 13 de May de 2014, a las 03:49:53PM +, Camaleón dijo:

 Mi problema son los smartphones: hay demasiados y no quiero dejar que
 se conecten a la red wifi o, mejor dicho, que se conecten a internet
 a través de la red wifi.

 Preguntonta: ¿No hay un proxy de por medio que actué como agente de 
 tráfico y que te evite la manipulación del enrutado (iptables)?
 
En principio tengo libertad para implementar otra buena solución,
pero no tengo ni idea de cómo atajar el problema: se me ocurrió el dhcp
para identificar los clientes e iptables para filtrar.

¿Qué proxy puede hacerme un trabajo equivalente?


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Re: Gerardito

2014-05-13 Thread Gerardo

On Martes, 13 de mayo de 2014 11:26:38 AM Gerardo escribió:
 Colegas Resulta que tengo el ultracopier de Debian pero necesito que se
 active de forma automatica en kde 4.8 pues al copiar un archivo, me sale
 el que trae predeterminado. Existe alguna configuracion o ejecutable que
 se active al mandar a copiar un archivo en kde4.8?.


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Ultracopier como predeterminado (era: Gerardito)

El Tue, 13 May 2014 11:26:38 -0400, Gerardo escribió:

 Colegas Resulta que tengo el ultracopier de Debian pero necesito que se
 active de forma automatica en kde 4.8 pues al copiar un archivo, me sale
 el que trae predeterminado. Existe alguna configuracion o ejecutable que
 se active al mandar a copiar un archivo en kde4.8?.

En su FAQ comentan algo:

***
http://ultracopier.first-world.info/faq.html

Ultracopier is not used when I do a copy

No windows: It's normal, because the file manager doesn't support it, see 
catchcopy project for more information. Ask to the developers of your 
file browser to support it.
***

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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

El Tue, 13 May 2014 18:02:38 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

 El Tue, 13 de May de 2014, a las 03:49:53PM +, Camaleón dijo:
 
 Mi problema son los smartphones: hay demasiados y no quiero dejar que
 se conecten a la red wifi o, mejor dicho, que se conecten a internet a
 través de la red wifi.
 
 Preguntonta: ¿No hay un proxy de por medio que actué como agente de
 tráfico y que te evite la manipulación del enrutado (iptables)?
 
 En principio tengo libertad para implementar otra buena solución,
 pero no tengo ni idea de cómo atajar el problema: se me ocurrió el dhcp
 para identificar los clientes e iptables para filtrar.
 
 ¿Qué proxy puede hacerme un trabajo equivalente?

Pues en teoría te haría falta:

1/ Tener las redes separadas físicamente para forzar el paso por el proxy 
de todos los clientes de la red.

2/ En cuanto al proxy, cualquiera con autentificación de usuarios te 
sirve. Una vez que los tengas catalogados (por usuarios, por MAC, IP, 
etc...) podrás decir qué grupos pueden navegar y cuáles no.

La idea del proxy es crear un entorno cautivo de paso obligatorio para 
todos los usuarios de la red y una vez capturados poder manipularlos/
redirigirlos al gusto.

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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

El Tue, 13 de May de 2014, a las 04:19:01PM +, Camaleón dijo:

 Pues en teoría te haría falta:
 
 1/ Tener las redes separadas físicamente para forzar el paso por el proxy 
 de todos los clientes de la red.

La red wifi está en una VLAN separada, sí.

 2/ En cuanto al proxy, cualquiera con autentificación de usuarios te 
 sirve. Una vez que los tengas catalogados (por usuarios, por MAC, IP, 
 etc...) podrás decir qué grupos pueden navegar y cuáles no.

He usado (y uso) squid (¿te refieres a algo como squid?), pero le veo a
eso varios inconvenientes:

+ No deseo autentificación de usuarios: en principio se puede conectar
  cualquiera sin permisos especiales, porque no hay ningún problema en
  que se conecte algún que otro portátil: el problema son los
  smartphones, porque todo el mundo tiene uno. 

+ No me vale un filtrado exclusivo por MAC, porque los smartphones son
  cada uno de su padre y de su madre. Por ese motivo, los identifico
  con los parámetros que envían cuando pretenden obtener una ip y, ya
  identificados, apunto su MAC.[1]

+ ¿Qué ventaja de procesamiento da el que el filtrado de MAC lo realice,
  pongamos, squid a que lo realice directamente iptables?

[1] Quizás me como mucho la cabeza, porque aun poniendo en práctica lo que
   quiero hay otra forma de seguir burlándome: conectarse sin pedir ip,
   y luego ponerse una ip fija, así jamás se apunta la MAC, porque jamás
   interviene el dhcp. Pero esto ya me parece demasiado rebuscamiento.

¡Ah! Gracias por tus respuestas.

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Re: Gerardito

2014-05-13 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR


Yo tambien quisiera saber como hacerlo, como se llama el ejecutable del 
copiador de kde y así crear un enlace simbolico o acceso directo para que 
cargue ese copiador en vez del que trae por defecto.
Es posible usar el copiador que usa el root en kde con la apariencia simple y 
que no se peque en la barra de notificaciones?


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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

El Tue, 13 May 2014 18:55:15 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

 El Tue, 13 de May de 2014, a las 04:19:01PM +, Camaleón dijo:
 
 Pues en teoría te haría falta:
 
 1/ Tener las redes separadas físicamente para forzar el paso por el
 proxy de todos los clientes de la red.
 
 La red wifi está en una VLAN separada, sí.
 
 2/ En cuanto al proxy, cualquiera con autentificación de usuarios te
 sirve. Una vez que los tengas catalogados (por usuarios, por MAC, IP,
 etc...) podrás decir qué grupos pueden navegar y cuáles no.
 
 He usado (y uso) squid (¿te refieres a algo como squid?), pero le veo a
 eso varios inconvenientes:

Sí, claro, squid te sirve.

 + No deseo autentificación de usuarios: en principio se puede conectar
   cualquiera sin permisos especiales, porque no hay ningún problema en
   que se conecte algún que otro portátil: el problema son los
   smartphones, porque todo el mundo tiene uno.

En ese caso podrías una configuración de proxy transparente aunque para 
lo que buscas no sé si te serviría... pero sí ya tienes squid y no usas 
autentificación entiendo que es esta debe ser la configuración actual ¿no?

 + No me vale un filtrado exclusivo por MAC, porque los smartphones son
   cada uno de su padre y de su madre. Por ese motivo, los identifico con
   los parámetros que envían cuando pretenden obtener una ip y, ya
   identificados, apunto su MAC.[1]

Como lo ponías en el asunto... vale, entonces eso quiere decir que 
desconoces los dispositivos que se van a conectar a tu red.

 + ¿Qué ventaja de procesamiento da el que el filtrado de MAC lo realice,
   pongamos, squid a que lo realice directamente iptables?

¿En cuanto a rendimiento, dices? Ni idea, no tengo esos datos :-? pero no 
me gusta mucho estar tocando iptables, prefiero usar proxy o alguna otra 
solución dedicada para controlar el acceso a internet de los equipos.

 [1] Quizás me como mucho la cabeza, porque aun poniendo en práctica lo
 que
quiero hay otra forma de seguir burlándome: conectarse sin pedir ip,
y luego ponerse una ip fija, así jamás se apunta la MAC, porque jamás
interviene el dhcp. Pero esto ya me parece demasiado rebuscamiento.

Esto sólo lo podrás evitar creando una jaula (entorno cautivo) y 
obligando a los equipos de la red local a pasar por tu pasarela/proxy (o 
como quieras llamarlo) para poder salir a Internet.

 ¡Ah! Gracias por tus respuestas.

De nada, a ver si a alguien se le ocurre alguna otra idea :-)

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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

El Tue, 13 de May de 2014, a las 05:22:01PM +, Camaleón dijo:

 En ese caso podrías una configuración de proxy transparente aunque para 
 lo que buscas no sé si te serviría... pero sí ya tienes squid y no usas 
 autentificación entiendo que es esta debe ser la configuración actual ¿no?

Sí, y no. Ahora mismo está funcionando como proxy transparente, pero ya
lo he configurado para filtrar tráfico https y eso no se puede hacer de
modo transparente. El problema es que el modo no transparente exige
configurar, así que, cuando se acerque final de curso (esto es un
instituto) y haga la imagen para el año que viene, incluiré la
configuración, clonaré, y lo habilitaré en modo no transparente.

 Esto sólo lo podrás evitar creando una jaula (entorno cautivo) y 
 obligando a los equipos de la red local a pasar por tu pasarela/proxy (o 
 como quieras llamarlo) para poder salir a Internet.

Un pfSense o algo por el estilo, entiendo. No lo he implementado nunca,
pero desde mis pocos conocimientos, entiendo que eso implica
autenticación. No quiero la red así, sino una red más o menos abierta
(la contraseña es pública), pero sin acceso de los smartphones que son
legión y se me acaban comiendo las ips disponibles y el ancho de banda.

 ¡Ah! Gracias por tus respuestas.
 De nada, a ver si a alguien se le ocurre alguna otra idea :-)

Esperemos. Si no hay mejor solución, a ver si algún gurú en iptables me
dice si se pueden optimizar más las reglas.

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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

2014-05-13 Thread Santiago Vila

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 06:55:15PM +0200, José Miguel (sio2) wrote:
 + No deseo autentificación de usuarios: en principio se puede conectar
   cualquiera sin permisos especiales, porque no hay ningún problema en
   que se conecte algún que otro portátil: el problema son los
   smartphones, porque todo el mundo tiene uno. 

A ver si me entero: Si hubiera pocos smartphones y muchos portátiles,
¿bloquearías a los portátiles?

Es que no entiendo bien cuál es el problema. ¿Que hay mucha gente
conectándose? ¿Por qué eso es un problema? ¿No hay ancho de banda para
todo el mundo? Entonces en el pecado ya estaría la penitencia, pues el
ancho de banda se reparte entre quienes lo estén usando.

¿Quieres establecer algún tipo de derecho a usar la red basándose en
el tipo de dispositivo con el que uno se conecta?

Entonces: ¿Qué hay de la neutralidad de la red?

Por supuesto que la respuesta puede ser perfectamente la red es mía y
hago con ella lo que quiero, pero precisamente por eso pregunto: ¿por
qué quieres eso?


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[OT] Neutralidad, etc [Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC]

El Tue, 13 de May de 2014, a las 07:37:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila dijo:

Hombre, no creo que la lista esté para dar explicaciones filosóficas de
por qué se hace una cosa y por qué otra no. Pero en fin: allá va.

Es la red de un instituto y, por tanto, no es una red lúdica. Hay
alumnos que llevan su portátil, porque trabajan con él y quiero darles
servicio. Podría perfectamente deshabilitar la red wifi y santas
pascuas, pero entiendo que les puede resultar más cómodo traerse el
ordenador de su casa que usar un fijo que le facilitemos nosotros.
Idéntico razonamiento se puede aplicar a un profesor.

En cambio, la conexión de los smartphones no suele tener ese carácter
académico y sobre todo, son muchísimos, porque absolutamente todos los
chavales tienen uno: la red inalámbrica es insostenible con ellos, así
que los tengo que vetar.

 A ver si me entero: Si hubiera pocos smartphones y muchos portátiles,
 ¿bloquearías a los portátiles?

Si hubiera muchos portátiles, entonces eso significaría que habría pocos
ordenadores fijos conectados, con lo que el aumento en el tráfico de
unos se vería compensado por la disminución del tráfico de otros. Muchos
portátiles por tanto, no sería problema. Además de que jamás se daría la
circunstancia de que absolutamente todos tuvieran un portátil, así que
ese muchos sería en términos absolutos, siempre pocos.

Si hubiera pocos smartphones, los smartphones no serían ningún problema,
así que ¿para qué filtrarlos?

 Entonces: ¿Qué hay de la neutralidad de la red?

Imagina el caso de que mi duda hubiera sido: ¿Puede alguien ayudarme a
configurar un squid para que mis alumnos no vean porno durante las
clases? ¿Crees que ante esta petición me habrías hecho la misma
pregunta? Porque filtrar sitios web, sean o no porno, también atenta
contra la neutralidad de la red.

En esta red no hay neutralidad: efectivamente, es mía y hago con ella
lo que me parece maś beneficioso.

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Error al montar una carpeta de un disco que esta montado en una carpeta de mi PC

2014-05-13 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia

Cuando trato de montar en una PC con wheezy una carpeta que pertenece a mi 
PC que tambien tiene wheezy si esa carpeta pertenece a un disco que esta 
montado sobre una carpeta de mi PC me da error. Como podría solucionar esto? 
ósea como podría montar dicha carpeta en la otra PC?


root@ser-dat-02:/mnt# mount -t nfs 192.168.0.160:/opt/trabajo/debian/wheezy 
/mnt/wheezy

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt#

Esto perfecto: es mi disco duro principal donde tengo el sistema.

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt# mount -t nfs 
192.168.0.160:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/jessie /mnt/informatica
mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 
192.168.0.160:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/jessie

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt#

aquí el error es otro disco duro que lo tengo montado en /mnt/datos

ya previamente le había dado la siguiente instrucción:
root@clt_iyc_03:~# chmod -R 777 /mnt/datos/*
root@clt_iyc_03:~#

Toda ayuda será bien venida

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Re: iptables y filtrado de muuuuchas MAC

2014-05-13 Thread Arturo Borrero Gonzalez

Hola,

una solución es ipset(8). Es una herramienta de Netfilter.

Puedes crear un conjunto de datos y hacer 'matching' contra el:

% ipset create MIS_MACS ... # crea el conjunto
% ipset add MIS_MACS mac # añade mac a MIS_MACS
% iptables -A ... -m set --match-set MIS_MACS src ... -j ACCEPT # una
regla que se valida contra el contenido del grupo

Incluso, puedes actualizar el contenido del set desde una regla de iptables:

% iptables -A ... -j SET --add-set MIS_MACS # añade los datos del
paquete al conjunto

Más aún, puedes darle un timeout a los elementos del set, y que salgan solos.

En fin, investiga tu.

Saludos.

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Re: Error al montar una carpeta de un disco que esta montado en una carpeta de mi PC

2014-05-13 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia

- Original Message - 
From: Zeque ze...@fibertel.com.ar

To: Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Error al montar una carpeta de un disco que esta montado en una 
carpeta de mi PC

Ismael,

 Podrás enviar la configuración actual del /etc/exports de la PC que tiene 
el NFS?

 Muchas gracias.

Saludos,

Ezequiel

El 05/13/2014 04:39 PM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió:
Cuando trato de montar en una PC con wheezy una carpeta que pertenece a 
mi PC que tambien tiene wheezy si esa carpeta pertenece a un disco que 
esta montado sobre una carpeta de mi PC me da error. Como podría 
solucionar esto? ósea como podría montar dicha carpeta en la otra PC?

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt# mount -t nfs 
192.168.0.160:/opt/trabajo/debian/wheezy /mnt/wheezy

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt#

Esto perfecto: es mi disco duro principal donde tengo el sistema.

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt# mount -t nfs 
192.168.0.160:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/jessie /mnt/informatica
mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 
192.168.0.160:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/jessie

root@ser-dat-02:/mnt#

aquí el error es otro disco duro que lo tengo montado en /mnt/datos

ya previamente le había dado la siguiente instrucción:
root@clt_iyc_03:~# chmod -R 777 /mnt/datos/*
root@clt_iyc_03:~#

Toda ayuda será bien venida

| ISMAEL |

esto es lo que tiene el archivo:
/etc/exports
de mi PC, en la otra PC no existe el archivo.
/opt/trabajo/debian/wheezy  192.168.0.0/24(rw,subtree_check)

Voy a probar agregar la linea
/mnt/datos  192.168.0.0/24(rw,subtree_check)
al archivo de mi PC a ver si con eso resuelvo.
no se si eso será un disparate, algo completamete alocado.

Saludos

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Sin acceso a servidor de pruebas

2014-05-13 Thread Miguel Matos

Hola a la lista. Recientemente, tengo problemas para acceder a mi
servidor casero. Primero, porque mi laptop tomó la misma dirección IP
que mi server (tardé mucho en saberlo porque, quien sabe qué embrujo
le hicieron, no veía el icono de conexión desde mi Debian, tuve que
reiniciarlo). Luego de superado este percance, ahora resulta que no
puedo ver la info de mi server. Cuando conecto a 192.168.*.***, me
dice mi navegador:
¡Vaya! Google Chrome no ha podido establecer conexión con la página
192.168.*.***.

Prueba a volver a cargar: 192.168.*.***.

Y cuando cargo el filezilla, ¡oh, sorpresa, toda la info está
accesible! Y cuando digo toda es desde el directorio '/' hasta el
último archivo de '/var', cuando, según el manual que sigo, sólo
debería mostrarse '/home/servidor/www'. Y pensando que podía ser un
fallo aleatorio, pasa esto:

# /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
[ ok ] Stopping ftp server: proftpd.
[] Starting ftp server: proftpdservidordebian.no-ip.org
proftpd[3242]: mod_tls_memcache/0.1: notice: unable to register
'memcache' SSL session cache: Memcache support not enabled
servidordebian.no-ip.org proftpd[3242]: warning: unable to determine
IP address of 'servidordebian.no-ip.org'
servidordebian.no-ip.org proftpd[3242]: error: no valid servers configured
servidordebian.no-ip.org proftpd[3242]: Fatal: error processing
configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf'
 failed!
root@servidordebian:~# ls -l /home/servidor
total 4
drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 may 11 17:44 www
root@servidordebian:~# ls -l /home/servidor/www
total 4
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 may 11 17:44 cgi-bin - /usr/lib/cgi-bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 may 10 13:05 inicio.php
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 may 10 15:40 phpmyadmin - /usr/share/phpmyadmin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 may 10 16:00 phpsysinfo - /usr/share/phpsysinfo
root@servidordebian:~# chmod 777 /home/servidor/www/inicio.php
root@servidordebian:~# nano /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf
root@servidordebian:~#

Ok, ahora sí me tranqué. Quizás se deba a que lee el nombre del
servidor de un archivo, y no esté correcto; pero no me queda claro.
Por si acaso, /etc/hostname, lo modifiqué hace poco:
# cat /etc/hostname
servidordebian.no-ip.org

¿y ahora?
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Re: OT: Algunas preguntas sobre TT-Rss

2014-05-13 Thread C. L. Martinez

2014-05-13 14:36 GMT+00:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Tue, 13 May 2014 14:24:31 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

 2014-05-13 14:04 GMT+00:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Tue, 13 May 2014 11:28:26 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

 Bueno, he avanzado algo ... La única forma de guardar las feeds es
 utilizando la función starred como decía Adrià, y es la única manera
 ... Para eliminar permanentement la cosa se complica bastante ... En
 fin, seguiré mirando ...

 (...)

 Tanto en Liferea (rss) como en Pan (nntp) tengo configuradas las
 opciones básicas para la gestión de los artículos, es decir:

 - Caché local activado - Mantener los artículos durante x días y
 después eliminarlos/purgarlos del caché

 Correcto. El tema es que yo quiero guardar ciertos artículos y que no
 sean borrados nunca a menos que yo lo especifique. Y eso parece ser que
 con tt-rss solo se puede hacer de dos formas: utilizando Archived
 (pero descuadra todo el árbol de carpetas) o utilizando Starred ... En
 fin, lo que digo: sigo mirando.

 ¿Por qué dices que te descuadra todo el árbol de carpetas?


Sencillo, si marcas un artículo como archived, lo mueve a una carpeta
que tiene predefinida como, precisamente, Archived y desaparece de
tus carpetas personales. Quizá descuadrar no ha sido el término
correcto ... Pero vamos que lo que yo quiero es que el artículo siga
en la carpeta que yo he creado y no que sea movido de sitio. Y eso
parece ser que solo se consigue con Starred, pero vamos es algo
chapucero ...

Aquí tienes una demo: http://www.softaculous.com/demos/Tiny_Tiny_RSS.

Saludos.


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Re: Após atualização do Debian 7, apagou no boot a opção de selecionar o windows 7

2014-05-13 Thread Rodolfo

Tenta assim, como root:

update-grub

Caso não esteja funcionando verifique se o Grub não foi removido nessa
atualização.


Em 13 de maio de 2014 01:14, Mauricio Tavares mfx1...@gmail.com escreveu:


 Pessoal, boa noite...

 Fiz a ultima atualização do Debian 7 e após reiniciar a máquina, ví que
 não aparece mais na lista de seleção de SO o Windows 7...

 Aconteceu algo semelhante com alguém

 Como faço para corrigir isto

 Grato a atenção de vocês


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Re: Após atualização do Debian 7, apagou no boot a opção de selecionar o windows 7

2014-05-13 Thread Mauricio Tavares

Geowany e Rodolfo, bom dia...

Na mosca.  executei o update-grup e voltou a aparecer o boot do
windows...

Obrigado pela ajuda!!


Em 13 de maio de 2014 09:16, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Tenta assim, como root:

 update-grub

 Caso não esteja funcionando verifique se o Grub não foi removido nessa
 atualização.


 Em 13 de maio de 2014 01:14, Mauricio Tavares mfx1...@gmail.comescreveu:


 Pessoal, boa noite...

 Fiz a ultima atualização do Debian 7 e após reiniciar a máquina, ví que
 não aparece mais na lista de seleção de SO o Windows 7...

 Aconteceu algo semelhante com alguém

 Como faço para corrigir isto

 Grato a atenção de vocês


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Ultimas atualizacoes x shutdown -r now

2014-05-13 Thread Rubens Junior

Prezados,

Infelizmente estou sem computador e com isso estou usando debian 7
(testing) em uma maquina virtual - virtualbox - no computador comunitario
de casa.

Percebi que as numa dessas ultimas atualizacoes, qdo eu executou o comando
shutdown -r now para reiniciar o sistema, no boot o grup eh ignorado e o
debian7 nao entra no kernel padrao, ele entra no kernel original da serie
3.2.x.

Para que eu entre em outro kernel compilado sou obrigado a shutdown -h now
e depois startar novamente a maquina virtual.

Nao sei se o problema esta com o debian ou com o virtualbox.

Obrigado desde ja.


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Re: Ultimas atualizacoes x shutdown -r now

2014-05-13 Thread Gabriel Ricardo

Será que você não está carregando alguma snapshot?


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Em 13 de maio de 2014 10:16, Rubens Junior rbns...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Prezados,

 Infelizmente estou sem computador e com isso estou usando debian 7
 (testing) em uma maquina virtual - virtualbox - no computador comunitario
 de casa.

 Percebi que as numa dessas ultimas atualizacoes, qdo eu executou o comando
 shutdown -r now para reiniciar o sistema, no boot o grup eh ignorado e o
 debian7 nao entra no kernel padrao, ele entra no kernel original da serie
 3.2.x.

 Para que eu entre em outro kernel compilado sou obrigado a shutdown -h now
 e depois startar novamente a maquina virtual.

 Nao sei se o problema esta com o debian ou com o virtualbox.

 Obrigado desde ja.


 --
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Cluster nao migra recurso (IP virtual)

2014-05-13 Thread Leandro

Boa tarde,

Alguem ja implementou cluster com pacemaker e corosync, estou usando esses
dois caras, e ao dar desligar um host na intencao de migra-lo para outro
cluster simplesmente no log me relata isso

May 08 14:48:03 [8370] cluster02pengine:   notice: LogActions:
 Start   failover_ip (cluster02 - blocked)


Alguem ja passou por isso

ja desativei fw e o selinux.
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Não desliga

2014-05-13 Thread Antonio Arles

Caros,

uso o Debian testing e depois da última atualização o computador não
desliga pelo modo convencional, através do botão do Gnome.

Só com shutdown -h now

Alguma dica?

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2014-05-13 Thread J U D I C I A L


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Re: Não desliga

2014-05-13 Thread Marcelo Santana

Em 13/05/2014  às 17h12, Antonio Arles ar...@arlesophia.com.br
escreveu:

 Caros,

Olá Antônio,
 
 uso o Debian testing e depois da última atualização o computador não
 desliga pelo modo convencional, através do botão do Gnome.
 
 Só com shutdown -h now
 
 Alguma dica?

O GNOME do Debian testing está acabando de ser a atualizador para
a versão 3.12, porém ainda existem alguns pacotes que faltam migrar da
unstable e experimental, conforme pode verificar em:

http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.12-status.html

Caso você não queira esperar pela conclusão do processo, uma
alternativa é atualizar os pacotes que ainda estão na unstable e
experimental, mantendo os demais pacotes na versão testing, através do
uso do apt-pinning[1].

[1]https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences

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Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards

On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:55:04 +1000
Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:


  
  $ lspci | grep audio
  
  Use instead:
  
  $ lspci | grep -i audio
 
 Why?
 
 Why when searching for audio would you need case-insensitive??
 
 Multimedia *audio* controller
 
 
 An extra three keystrokes for no gain. Extra noise, no signal.
 

$ lspci |grep audio
$ lspci |grep -i audio
00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor 
HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High 
Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

And there are even sound cards where the string audio isn't in the
description.

example:
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ccd:0077 TerraTec Electronic GmbH Aureon Dual USB


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Recommends for hard dependency?

2014-05-13 Thread Shriramana Sharma

Hello people. This is about:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747716

Currently libqt5sql5-sqlite is given as a recommends and not a depends
for qttools5-dev-tools
(https://packages.debian.org/sid/qttools5-dev-tools) whereas
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/assistant, one of the programs
installed by the latter package, cannot even start up without
libqt5sql5-sqlite being installed. I hence requested to change it to
depends.

The developers say no, recommends is right in this case since only
assistant requires it and the other tools in the package do not -- you
should have recommends installed by default in your system in most
cases -- if you don't, that's not a problem of the packaging.

I pointed out that the specification at
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#control
says to use depends if your program absolutely will not run ...
unless a particular package is present. That guide does not speak
anything about multiple programs installed by a package, but IMO it
stands to reason that what is logical for one program installed by a
package applies for many programs installed by a single package as
well.

IOW, if I install a package I expect to be able to run all the
programs provided by it. Without a recommends being installed
alongside, maybe some of the functionality of those programs is
missing, but it should not fail to start altogether, which is what is
happening in this case.

IMO something that a program can't even start without should be a hard
dependency and not just a recommends. A user may disable installation
of recommends for whatever reason. This should not prevent the user
from even starting up the program!

I am posting this here since the developers seem to just disagree with
my point without providing any policy-based/logical reason. I want the
community to weigh in with their opinion as well.

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Re: Can't get Apache to display a directory

On Mon, 12 May 2014 20:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:

 
 I recently upgraded a back-end server from wheezy to jessie, and with
 the upgrade, Apache went from 2.2 to 2.4.  There are a lot of changes
 to Apache between 2.2 and 2.4, especially in the area of
 authentications, authorizations, 
snip
 Basically, I want a configuration that allows all users to view all
 documents and all directories under /var/www/html.  I don't want to
 have to define userids or passwords.  No authentication of users will
 be done.
 

Query your favorite search engine for Upgrading apache from
2.2 to 2.4


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Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards

2014-05-13 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 13/05/14 16:16, Filip wrote:
 On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:55:04 +1000
 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 

 $ lspci | grep audio

 Use instead:

 $ lspci | grep -i audio

 Why?

 Why when searching for audio would you need case-insensitive??

 Multimedia *audio* controller


 An extra three keystrokes for no gain. Extra noise, no signal.

 
 $ lspci |grep audio
 $ lspci |grep -i audio
 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core 
 Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High 
 Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)

That would be a good reason :)
Except that I can't reproduce your results, or understand how
they're relevant to Brett's question :(

Curious...
Are you running Debian Linux?

Which release?

pciutils 1:3.1.9-6



 
 And there are even sound cards where the string audio isn't in the
 description.


And multi-case will help how?

snipped


Don't forget the subject line - saves energy instead of pursuing
pointless tangents.


Kind regards


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Re: Can't get Apache to display a directory

2014-05-13 Thread Alex Mestiashvili


On 05/13/2014 02:16 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:

I recently upgraded a back-end server from wheezy to jessie, and with the 
upgrade,
Apache went from 2.2 to 2.4.  There are a lot of changes to Apache between 2.2
and 2.4, especially in the area of authentications, authorizations, etc.
One difference that I have not been able to figure out is how to allow access
to a directory.  I'm not talking about allowing access to the files in the
directory, I'm talking about access to the directory itself.  On apache2,
for example, if I had a directory called xyz in /var/www, I could type in
the address bar of my browser something like this:

http://my.server.ip.address/xyz

And it would show me a list of files in the xyz directory.  I could then click
on the filename of one of the files in the directory and see that file.
But with the new apache server, I get a 404 - not found error.  I have
looked at the apache documentation, but cannot figure out how to accomplish
what I want.  How do I get this to work?

Basically, I want a configuration that allows all users to view all documents
and all directories under /var/www/html.  I don't want to have to define
userids or passwords.  No authentication of users will be done.



I think you are looking for:

Require all granted

directive. Had some troubles with it too.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_authz_core.html#require

Best,
Alex


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Re: kernel security upgrade bollixed need help

On Mon, 12 May 2014 20:34:37 -0600
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:

 I was responding to a recently received security message about the
 linux kernel in Wheezy. I thought I had things configured so that the
 repaired kernel would come from the security repository automagically,
 but ...
 
 It did appear to be downloading a new kernel and installing it, but
 when it finished nothing appeared to have been changed. I can't retry
 because my system appears to have set flags that the upgrade has been
 done. but there are no new files in /boot or updated symlinks in /.
 

I installed the security update last night. 
This is what it looks like (after reboot):

$ ls -l / |grep boot
drwxr-xr-x   3 root root  4096 May 12 16:53 boot
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root30 Apr  5 12:37 initrd.img - 
/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root26 Apr  5 12:37 vmlinuz - 
boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
$ ls -l /boot
total 15032
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   129206 May 12 11:42 config-3.2.0-4-amd64
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 12 16:53 grub
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10276510 May 12 16:53 initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2111641 May 12 11:42 System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2838176 May 12 11:42 vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
$ strings /vmlinuz|grep deb7u1
3.2.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1

After reboot:
$ uname -v
#1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1





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Re: Confusion

2014-05-13 Thread ken


On 05/13/2014 01:42 AM Joshua Anthony wrote:

My apologies to those who feel that I have wasted their time and thanks
to those who have tried to help.

I don't know how I managed to start two threads but this whole business
well illustrates the confusion that I originally wrote about.

The 'technical' question was 'Why does exactly following the process
that has worked perfectly well for other distros, using exactly the same
hardware, fail when I try to install Debian the same way?'

The confusion was - and is - how do I separate my rather elementary and
unsophisticated question from the mass of expert questions from
sophisticated users so as to get an answer I can understand without
irritating them and wasting their time?

That, I suppose, is a 'procedural' question, and I probably ought to
have asked it separately.

I'm happy to drop this now, as it certainly hasn't worked for me, and
look elsewhere for answers.

Josh.


Josh,

Yes, problems generally don't come one at a time, but rather in bunches 
bundled and/or layered together.


Though I haven't been able to watch your screen during the process, I 
suspect that the failure to get your CDs to work was due to the way they 
were created.  There are (at least)  two ways your ISO file could be 
written to a CD: one is as a file, the other as an disk image.  The 
first is the wrong way and, I've found, most CD-burning software is 
ambiguous about how a file (which is an ISO) is to be written, resulting 
is just the problem you've been having.


You can test my theory by using some software to look first at an 
install CD you know to be good and examining its files and directory 
structure.  Then do the same for one (or more) or your failed CDs.  At 
the top level the files and directories should be pretty much the same 
(as these are very much standardized).  If instead on your failed CD you 
see somewhere your ISO file listed as a file, then the software you used 
to write the ISO did it the wrong way.


To increase your chances of burning the CD properly, try using K3b.  Its 
menu text is more clear about what it's going to do and, IIRC, even 
mentions ISO in the correct menu item.


Personally,  I most often use a series of commands issued from a 
terminal to burn a CD or DVD.  I prefer this method because it's 
completely unambiguous what's going on.  But that's a longer story and, 
as I gather from your previous posts, you prefer a GUI app.  So instead 
of going there, I'll just recommend K3b.  I'm pretty sure it will get 
you where you want to go.


hth,
ken


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Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards

On Tue, 13 May 2014 16:55:43 +1000
Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Why?
 
  Why when searching for audio would you need case-insensitive??
 
  Multimedia *audio* controller
 
 
  An extra three keystrokes for no gain. Extra noise, no signal.
 
  
  $ lspci |grep audio
  $ lspci |grep -i audio
  00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen
  Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06) 00:1b.0 Audio device:
  Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition
  Audio Controller (rev 04)
 
 That would be a good reason :)
 Except that I can't reproduce your results, or understand how
 they're relevant to Brett's question :(
 
 Curious...
 Are you running Debian Linux?
 
 Which release?
 
 pciutils 1:3.1.9-6
 

Debian Jessie, pciutils 1:3.1.9-6.

HP hardware. It all depends on the hardware ...


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read and serial port

2014-05-13 Thread Michael Post

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Hello,

i created a bash-script to send something to serial port
(/dev/ttyACM0) and read the result.

Here my code:

- ---
DEV=/dev/ttyACM0

stty raw -F $DEV ispeed 38400 ospeed 38400 cread -cstopb -echo

echo @00P0?  $DEV

while read -r -t 1 LINE
do
echo $LINE
done  $DEV

echo Result: $LINE
- ---

The command will be send out correctly to the serial port. In the
console i can see the correct incoming result (String), but my var
$LINE is empty and doesn`t catch it.

Any clue or hint for me why read does not catch the result?

Thanks for your help,

Michael
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Re: Recommends for hard dependency?

2014-05-13 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

Hi

FYI: I'm not a Debian developer; just a mere user with an opinion...

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:05:48PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
 Hello people. This is about:
 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747716
 
 Currently libqt5sql5-sqlite is given as a recommends and not a depends
 for qttools5-dev-tools
 (https://packages.debian.org/sid/qttools5-dev-tools) whereas
 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/assistant, one of the programs
 installed by the latter package, cannot even start up without
 libqt5sql5-sqlite being installed. I hence requested to change it to
 depends.
 
 The developers say no, recommends is right in this case since only
 assistant requires it and the other tools in the package do not -- you
 should have recommends installed by default in your system in most
 cases -- if you don't, that's not a problem of the packaging.

Hm... I do not agree with that. The binaries in the package *should*
work (in their default configuration if at all possible) with only
hard dependencies present, without relying on Recommends...

 I pointed out that the specification at
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#control
 says to use depends if your program absolutely will not run ...
 unless a particular package is present.

Yes. And the verbiage for Recommends is (amongst other things):

   Use this for packages that are not strictly necessary but are
   typically used with your program

I have to admit that I can sort-of see the developer's point there.

I guess the developer(s) can have a (somewhat weak) argument here if
there is some combination of command line options or configuration
file settings (e.g. to use a different database driver?) which then
allows the program to run.  Perhaps even one installed outside the
packaging system.

If this is the case, I'd hope to see a meta package
(e.g. qt5-sql-driver) which is implemented by the requisite packages -
and thus a dependency in the style of:

Package: qttools5-dev-tools
Depends: qt5-sql-driver | libqt5sql5-sqlite

(or perhaps libqt5sql5-sqlite | qt5-sql-driver - I'm doing this from
memory. There's a mention of meta packages dependencies somewhere in
the policy manual IIRC).

There may be such a meta package already. I haven't checked.

 IMO something that a program can't even start without should be a hard
 dependency and not just a recommends. A user may disable installation
 of recommends for whatever reason. This should not prevent the user
 from even starting up the program!

I'd agree with that sentiment :-)

Another way to resolve this could be to relegate the assistant into
it's own package (which would have hard dependencies on
libqt5sql5-sqlite and qtttools5-dev-toos), and let the main package
recommend the assistant package?

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Re: Confusion

2014-05-13 Thread Paul Lewis

On 13/05/14 06:42:10, Joshua Anthony wrote:

 I don't know how I managed to start two threads but this whole
 business well illustrates the confusion that I originally wrote 
 about.

You are registered on the mailing list from two distinct email address. 
That takes some effort.

 
 The 'technical' question was 'Why does exactly following the process
 that has worked perfectly well for other distros, using exactly the
 same hardware, fail when I try to install Debian the same way?'
 
 The confusion was - and is - how do I separate my rather elementary
 and unsophisticated question from the mass of expert questions from
 sophisticated users so as to get an answer I can understand without
 irritating them and wasting their time?

Some feedback to those folk who have already tried to assist you may 
have been useful.

So, to my suggestion; Why don't you try the network install. You could 
have said, ' No, I don't want to do that, because I really want to 
understand why the DVD driver isn't being recognised.

OR, 'I tried that, but the same thing happens with the net install.'

OR. 'Yes, I tried that and the net install worked flawlessly, thanks 
I'm now a happy Debian user.'


 
 I'm happy to drop this now, as it certainly hasn't worked for me, and
 look elsewhere for answers.
 

Hmm.

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Re: Recommends for hard dependency?

On Ma, 13 mai 14, 12:05:48, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
 Hello people. This is about:
 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747716
 
 Currently libqt5sql5-sqlite is given as a recommends and not a depends
 for qttools5-dev-tools
 (https://packages.debian.org/sid/qttools5-dev-tools) whereas
 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/assistant, one of the programs
 installed by the latter package, cannot even start up without
 libqt5sql5-sqlite being installed. I hence requested to change it to
 depends.
 
 The developers say no, recommends is right in this case since only
 assistant requires it and the other tools in the package do not -- you
 should have recommends installed by default in your system in most
 cases -- if you don't, that's not a problem of the packaging.
 
 I pointed out that the specification at
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#control
 says to use depends if your program absolutely will not run ...
 unless a particular package is present. That guide does not speak
 anything about multiple programs installed by a package, but IMO it
 stands to reason that what is logical for one program installed by a
 package applies for many programs installed by a single package as
 well.

Not necessarily, see for example the devscripts package.

 IOW, if I install a package I expect to be able to run all the
 programs provided by it. Without a recommends being installed
 alongside, maybe some of the functionality of those programs is
 missing, but it should not fail to start altogether, which is what is
 happening in this case.

'all' is a big word here. It probably depends (ha!) a lot on the purpose 
of the package. A package containing just one program that doesn't run 
at all without another package installed should certainly Depends: on 
the other package. However, if the package in question is a collection 
of utilities like devscripts (and the package in question here it seems) 
a Depends: relationship may be too strict.

 IMO something that a program can't even start without should be a hard
 dependency and not just a recommends. A user may disable installation
 of recommends for whatever reason. This should not prevent the user
 from even starting up the program!

I don't agree with you. First, this is not about a package containing a 
single program, but about a collection of tools (see above). Second, 
installing Recommeds: is the default in Debian and has been for a few 
releases already. Whenever you deviate from the default you must be 
prepared to deal with the consequences.

Besides, if all maintainers would apply your reasoning the main benefit 
of Recommends: vs. Depends: would be lost. I have myself argued on every 
occasion (and even went as high as the Technical Committee) that 
packages should use Recommends whenever possible (especially in 
meta-packages), because otherwise users are forced to install things 
they don't really need.

 I am posting this here since the developers seem to just disagree with
 my point without providing any policy-based/logical reason. I want the
 community to weigh in with their opinion as well.

For what it's worth, to your specific case (a package containing 
multiple tools of which one doesn't work without a Recommends: package) 
I think it is entirely appropriate for the package to *not* use 
Depends:.

However, it would be a good idea (and you might want to suggest this in 
your bug report) to mention this in the package description.

Kind regards,
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Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards

2014-05-13 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 13/05/14 17:12, Filip wrote:
 On Tue, 13 May 2014 16:55:43 +1000
 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 
snipped

 Which release?

 pciutils 1:3.1.9-6

 
 Debian Jessie, pciutils 1:3.1.9-6.
 
 HP hardware. 


 It all depends on the hardware ...

Sort of. The hardware populates /proc/bus/pci, but
/usr/share/misc/pci.ids populates the output of lspci. The versions of
pciutils is the same but the contents of pci.ids is several years
different (Wheezy ain't Jessies) pci.ids is separate from lspci/pciutils.

I suspect the OP and I 'could' update to the latest ids (perhaps even a
later version than Jessie) by running /usr/bin/update-pciids, otherwise
there are large differences.

grep Version: /usr/share/misc/pci.ids | cut -d   -f2
2012.11.19

ls -l /usr/share/misc/pci.ids
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 778816 Nov 20  2012 /usr/share/misc/pci.ids

grep -cv ^# /usr/share/misc/pci.ids #crude count of entries
21440


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Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade

On Lu, 12 mai 14, 12:31:28, Pertti Kosunen wrote:
 On 12.5.2014 7:17, O wrote:
 The output from dmesg is long.
 
 You can dump it to http://pastebin.com/ .

I'd rather have it in the e-mail, otherwise the archives would not be 
much use unless some kind soul does the necessary copy-paste of the 
relevant parts.

A 'dmesg' dump on my laptop which has been running for six days is 74kB. 
That's roughly 15-20 seconds to download on a 56k dial-up line.

Rule of thumb: whenever possible an e-mail (any e-mail, not just posts 
to a mailing list) should be self-contained, without being too long/big 
(i.e. e-mail is not a file transfer medium).

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Re: Should hostname always be lower case?

On Lu, 12 mai 14, 15:03:01, Ron Leach wrote:
 List,
 
 May I ask whether the 'case' of the hostname is important, in the sense that
 use of any upper-case characters may disrupt name resolvers?
 
 We have a server running wheezy, and we named it D7Server (not d7server).
 Could this matter to any resolver attempting to look up D7Server?  (It might
 matter, for example, if standards allow resolvers, generally, to assume that
 names to be resolved will be lower case.)

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in 
practice, there is.
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Re: Should hostname always be lower case?

On Lu, 12 mai 14, 19:35:40, Ron Leach wrote:
 
 I've read man hosts, resolv.conf, and nsswitch.conf; I've also had a look at
 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution
 (I'm assuming that's an official site).
 
 On the Wheezy machine, /etc/nsswitch.conf contains
 
 hosts:files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
 
 From my reading, since 'files' is listed first, /etc/hosts should be checked
 for name resolution first, with external requests to a dns resolver *only*
 if the host name is not found in hosts file.
 
 But the behaviour I am seeing is that the box is asking for resolution (of
 its own hostname, actually) from an external resolver.  (That DNS resolution
 request fails, anyway, because there is no record for its hostname in the
 DNS tree.)
 
 /etc/hosts, on D7Server, contains a record for D7Server:
 192.168.3.31tabD7Servertabd7servertabD7Server.inettabd7server.inet
 
 Despite the entry in hosts file, D7Server keeps asking the DNS resolver to
 lookup D7Server (the request is logged on the DNS resolver machine), instead
 of reading it from its hosts file.
 
 Do I need to do something more to enable names to be looked up in
 /etc/hosts?

Whenever diagnosing such issues it is a good idea to use getent(1) and 
*not* DNS tools like dig or nslookup, because these use their own 
resolver (library).

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Re: mount inconsistencies

On Lu, 12 mai 14, 21:57:13, Jochen Spieker wrote:
 
 Unfortunately, I cannot investigate this any further because I had to
 reboot the system which cleared things up. But I would still like to
 know how to fix such a situation.
 
 I only noticed it because my backup script complained about the missing
 path. Prior to running the backup, it checks whether the filesystem is
 already mounted and mounts it if it is not mounted yet. That failed
 because mount reported that the filesystem is mounted while the mount
 point was empty.

Maybe it was related to /etc/mtab being (or not) a symlink to 
/proc/mounts? Just something else to look into if you ever encounter 
this again.

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Re: Confusion

2014-05-13 Thread Chris Bannister

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:42:10PM -0700, Joshua Anthony wrote:
 My apologies to those who feel that I have wasted their time and
 thanks to those who have tried to help.

 I don't know how I managed to start two threads but this whole
 business well illustrates the confusion that I originally wrote about.
 
 The 'technical' question was 'Why does exactly following the process
 that has worked perfectly well for other distros, using exactly the
 same hardware, fail when I try to install Debian the same way?'

I would argue that that isn't a technical question. Have you read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Have you tried booting from a livecd?
e.g. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html

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Re: I need to hear PC Speaker Beeps through the Audio Output.

On Lu, 12 mai 14, 12:00:29, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
   Is there any kind of debian module that will reproduce
 PC speaker sounds through the sound card?

snd-pcsp

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Re: kernel security upgrade bollixed need help

On Lu, 12 mai 14, 20:34:37, Paul E Condon wrote:
 I was responding to a recently received security message about the
 linux kernel in Wheezy. I thought I had things configured so that the
 repaired kernel would come from the security repository automagically,
 but ...
 
 It did appear to be downloading a new kernel and installing it, but
 when it finished nothing appeared to have been changed. I can't retry
 because my system appears to have set flags that the upgrade has been
 done. but there are no new files in /boot or updated symlinks in /.

Why do you expect new files?
 
 This should not be, IMHO. Please ask the questions that need to be asked.
 Note: I am attempting to respond to a security alert, not merely getting
 the latest kernel via wheezy-backports. Or has the system changed to
 a newer way in which wheezy-backports should be used. If so I will definitely
 need a link to explicit steps.

Compare the output of

apt-cache policy linux-image-your version and flavour

to the security announce.

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Re: no longer sound on amd64 sid systems

2014-05-13 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

* sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl [2014-05-12 22:05 +0200]:

 hello,
 
 I did the latest update on 2 systems amd64 Sid, and now sound does not
 work any longer on both systems.
 The program /usr/sbin/alsa dissapeared after installing the latest
 alsa-base.

/usr/sbin/alsa was a relict from the obsolete alsa-driver package and
is almost not usefull as the sound modules now handled by kmod.

 No mixers are found. Failed to open audio output
 Yesterday sound did work on both systems.

Please post the output of:

$ lsmod | grep snd
$ aplay -l
$ aplay -L
$ dpkg -l | egrep (alsa|asound)
$ cat /proc/version

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reboot required after linux-image upgrade?

2014-05-13 Thread ML mail

Hi,

I just upgraded my debian wheezy linux-image from 3.2.54 to 3.2.57 using 
apt-get update/upgrade and was wondering if I need to reboot my system or not 
in order for Linux to use the new kernel?

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Re: reboot required after linux-image upgrade?

2014-05-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Tue, 2014-05-13 at 02:51 -0700, ML mail wrote:
 I just upgraded my debian wheezy linux-image from 3.2.54 to 3.2.57
 using apt-get update/upgrade and was wondering if I need to reboot my
 system or not in order for Linux to use the new kernel?

You need to reboot! This is not absolutely true, it's also possible to
switch from one to another kernel without rebooting, however, just
installing a new kernel doesn't the trick. IMO the best way is to reboot
and to ignore methods to switch to another kernel without rebooting.



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OT: reboot required after linux-image upgrade?

2014-05-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Tue, 2014-05-13 at 11:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 in order for Linux to use the new kernel

JFTR Linux is the kernel. I'm aware that you're talking about the
compete install, most of us call it Linux, but correct is, that the
kernel is Linux and nothing else.



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Re: OT: reboot required after linux-image upgrade?

2014-05-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Tue, 2014-05-13 at 12:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-05-13 at 11:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 the OP wrote :D
  in order for Linux to use the new kernel
 
 JFTR Linux is the kernel. I'm aware that you're talking about the
 compete install, most of us call it Linux, but correct is, that the
 kernel is Linux and nothing else.
 



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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

On Sun, 11 May 2014, Itay Furman wrote:

Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 14:08:51 +0300
From: Itay Furman it...@fastmail.fm
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 11:24:42 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:39 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Itay deb...@itayf.fastmail.fm wrote:

[snip]

Indeed I had grub2 installed.
Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync
commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot
data.  But how to identify that?

This seems like a kind of obvious question, but can you still mount
the old drive to run recursive diffs? start with  /boot and /etc, for
instance.

Hi,

It's a small form factor computer so I can install only one hard drive
at a time.  The diff would have to be done in two steps: old vs. backup,
and then backup vs. new hdd.  So it will take time until I have results.

diff between new drive and backup looked ok.
As mentioned above I cannot compare directly old and new.

Another thing you need to check is whether rsync successfully
replicated the metadata appropriately. Some essential servers will
refuse to run if the permissions are too loose or the owner:group is
incorrect.

The permissions and ownership of important files and directories seem 
to be ok, judging based on backup and the permissions on the live 
system files.

Itay

IIRC diff should be able to report on differences in file meta data.
Please note that it's a home desktop: no special services are running; I
did not impose (knowingly) any security steps beyond the defaults
provided during installation.
(Unfortunately I am far from being experienced system-administrator -- I
am merely a user who likes using debian at home...)

Many thanks,
Itay

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

On Sun, 11 May 2014, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 12:03:25 +0200
From: Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: Itay deb...@itayf.fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 10:04:18 + (UTC)
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Hi Itay,

[snip]

I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2. If
not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice Super-Grub-
Disk-2.

Hi Hans,

Actually I didn't have a bootloader installed.  That's probably part 
of the problem.  See other off-springs of this thread.

Hope, this helps. Good luck!

Best regards

Hans

Thanks,
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Re: mount inconsistencies

2014-05-13 Thread Jochen Spieker

Andrei POPESCU:
 On Lu, 12 mai 14, 21:57:13, Jochen Spieker wrote:
 
 I only noticed it because my backup script complained about the missing
 path. Prior to running the backup, it checks whether the filesystem is
 already mounted and mounts it if it is not mounted yet. That failed
 because mount reported that the filesystem is mounted while the mount
 point was empty.
 
 Maybe it was related to /etc/mtab being (or not) a symlink to 
 /proc/mounts? Just something else to look into if you ever encounter 
 this again.

Good idea, although I don't think that mount was reading stale data. I
was able to mount the filesystem a second time and that mount showed up
in mount's output as well. But then I never understood the /etc/mtab vs.
/proc/mounts issue anyway. :)

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

On Sun, 11 May 2014, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 08:40:49 -0300
From: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 11:57:44 + (UTC)
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On 05/11/2014 05:46 AM, Itay wrote:

Old disk was 300GB and failing.  New is 1TB.
I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system
back to the new drive (see below).
Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot.  BIOS comes
up alright.

I guess that I overlooked something with the boot files, but what and
how to remedy this?

Did you reinstall grub (or whatever bootloader you use)? You need
something like
# grub-install /dev/sda
to install the bootloader to the MBR. An rsync would not copy that.

Hi Eduardo

Following-up on your suggestion I tried to reinstall grub but failed.

Steps (as root using LIVE DVD):

# 1. Create mount point for would be root file system
$ mkdir /media/root
# 2.
$ mount -t auto /dev/sda2 /media/root
# 3. Mount would-be boot partition
$ mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /media/root/boot
# 4. Based on info found on the net
$ grub-install --root-directory=/media/root /dev/sda
#  grub complained on not being able to read correctly grub/stage1 
#+ file or something similar.

I found on the net that grub works only with inode size of 128. 
Confirming that this was not the case with the file system on 
/dev/sda1 I remade the file system

$ mke2fs -I 128 /dev/sda1
copied the /boot files from the backup, and repeated steps 1-4 above.

The same error message.
Reboot process does not proceed to loading grub -- as before.

Thanks,
Itay

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

On Sun, 11 May 2014, Filip wrote:

Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 22:25:35 +0200
From: Filip fi...@fbvnet.be
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 20:25:58 + (UTC)
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On Sun, 11 May 2014 22:38:20 +0300
Itay Furman it...@fastmail.fm wrote:

I guess the output of mount above shows that there is a problem with
the file system(s) and devices.

Nevertheless, I also believe that I have problems with the bootloader.

When you boot the installation DVD, there is an option 'rescue
mode' in the initial menu that comes up. Look under 'advanced options'.

Have you tried that ?

Hi Filip,

I did not think of using the installation CD.

Anyway, due to pressing timelines, I had to get a working computer at 
the moment so I took out the new drive, and put the old one again for 
the time being.

Thank you for your advice I will follow it up when I have time to try 
again the replacement.

Itay

Follow through the steps, and you will get a menu where you have
two options that should help you:

-  reinstall the bootloader
- 'start a shell in the installer environment'. This will set up the
  chroot environment for you.

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

On Mon, 12 May 2014, Steve Litt wrote:

Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 03:46:38 -0400
From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:46:54 + (UTC)
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On Mon, 12 May 2014 03:26:08 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

On Sun, 11 May 2014 22:38:20 +0300
Itay Furman it...@fastmail.fm wrote:

mount point /proc does not exist [Note: similar errors for few more
missing mount points such as /usr/local, /cache]

special device /dev/sda1 does not exist  [Note: that's the would be
/boot partition]

special device /dev/mapper/vg-home does not exist [Note:
would-be /home reside on a Logical Volume vg/home]

[Same error for the other file trees that reside on Logical Volumes]

OK, next test: Let's find out why the /dev/sd?? mounts didn't work.
What's the output of:

lsblk
sudo blkid

Note: If sudoers won't let you do blkid, just do it as root.

SteveT

IMPORTANT: I forgot to say that the preceding two commands should be
done after booting the live CD and chrooting to the supposed root
partition on the new drive.

SteveT

Hi Steve,

I had to abandon the process and reintroduce the old hard drive for 
the time being.  So I could not follow up your advice in time.

I will come back to this as soon as I can permit my self to be 
computerless for few days...

Many thanks,
Itay

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semi-random boot problem

2014-05-13 Thread Alex Andreotti

Hello all,

I've a problem within the initrd, *sometime* it fail to mount the root
directory and after a while it fall back to the shell.
My guess is a timing issue, the ssd disk attach before some process
(udev?) is listening for disk events, but it is only a guess.

I recently added an ssd disk, the grub is in sda, the / is in sdb.
sdb is partitioned as GPT and the grub entry is by uuid.

The initrd try to mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/blablabla, when it fail
/dev/disk doesn't exist at all.

kernel version: 3.14-1-686-pae
initramfs-tools 0.115

k command line:
/boot/vmlinuz-3.14-1-686-pae
root=UUID=0feeec25-eea0-487d-906e-1590990911a0 ro noresume
gfxpayload=true quiet ipv6.disable=1

Somebody experienced this problem already or have suggestions where to
look?

Thanks in advance
Cheers


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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement