date:20140812

Bonjour,
Il y'a le paquet denyhosts qui modifie hosts.deny en évaluant les fichiers
de logs
Le 12 août 2014 09:26, Doe John frozzensh...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hello,

 Tu as des règles qui bypassent certaines autres.

 Quel est ton problème au final ? Tu arrives a te connecter tout en étant
 blacklisté ?

 Ta règle AllowUsers va bypasser le host.deny. Je ne vois pas comment tu
 peux avoir ton IP incrémentée à ton host.deny de façon automatique.

 Ca manque un peu d'infos ;)  (contenu deny/allow/AllowUsers/etc/hosts)


 Le 12 août 2014 07:59, Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com a
 écrit :

 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:09:00PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr
 wrote:
  Je me connecte à mon serveur externalisé sans problèmes,
  via ssh, avec certificats, en tant que root ou user.
 
  Systématiquement mon IP client est mis dans le fichier /etc/hosts.deny :
  sshd: mon_IP_client

 As-tu installé fail2ban sur ce serveur ?

  et malgré, je me connecte au serveur comme indiqué ci-dessus.

 Quel est le contenu du fichier /etc/hosts.allow ?

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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

2014-08-12 Thread Nicolas KOWALSKI

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:30:46AM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
 On Tuesday 12 August 2014 07:59:32 Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote:
 Celà viendrait-il de fail2ban ?

Oui, c'est son fonctionnement.

   et malgré, je me connecte au serveur comme indiqué ci-dessus.
  Quel est le contenu du fichier /etc/hosts.allow ? :
 sshd: ALL

Donc toutes les connexions SSH sont autorisées, cf. l'ordre de 
vérification indiqué dans man 5 hosts_access.

Tout fonctionne donc normalement avec ta configuration.

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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

2014-08-12 Thread andre_debian

On Tuesday 12 August 2014 11:39:09 Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:30:46AM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
  Celà viendrait-il de fail2ban ?

 Oui, c'est son fonctionnement.

et malgré, je me connecte au serveur comme indiqué ci-dessus.
   Quel est le contenu du fichier /etc/hosts.allow ? :

  sshd: ALL

 Donc toutes les connexions SSH sont autorisées, cf. l'ordre de
 vérification indiqué dans man 5 hosts_access.

 Tout fonctionne donc normalement avec ta configuration.

Pourquoi mon IP client est-il mis systématiquement dans /etc/hosts.deny ?

Et le logwatch indique :
- Denyhosts Begin  
 new denied hosts: 
mon IP client
 

André

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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

2014-08-12 Thread Nicolas KOWALSKI

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:03:20PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
 Pourquoi mon IP client est-il mis systématiquement dans /etc/hosts.deny ?

Je retourne la question : pourquoi vouloir utiliser denyhosts/fail2ban 
si de toute façon tu autorises *toutes* les connexions SSH ? 

Pour le reste, utiliser fail2ban et denyhosts en même temps me paraît 
être une très mauvaise idée. Fais un choix, puis vérifie.

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Re: Montage automatique d'un USB et permissions

2014-08-12 Thread daniel huhardeaux


Le 12/08/2014 06:31, RHATAY Sami a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,


Bonjour



j'ai plusieurs fois eu des soucis avec le montage automatique de mes
clés et disques durs externes : en effet, impossible une fois ceux-ci
montés de pouvoir écrire dessus. Un message d'erreur apparaît en me
disant que le périphérique n'est accessible qu'en lecture seule.

Néanmoins dans mes logs je retrouve ceci :
Aug 12 03:46:09 dell kernel: [44655.919123] sd 30:0:0:0: [sdb] Write
Protect is off

Je suis obligé de passer par la ligne de commande pour écrire dessus. De
plus, il suffit que je remonte manuellement la clé/DD externe pour que
je puisse écrire dessus via l'interface graphique.

Du coup je me suis penché sur la gestion des périphériques avec udev et
je pensais pouvoir trouver dans un fichier de configuration le moyen de
modifier les permissions...mais en vain.

Si vous pouviez éclairer ma lanterne sur le fonctionnement de
l'automount ainsi que la gestion des droits associés, j'en serai
fortement reconnaissant :-)



Ton utilisateur ne doit pas être dans le groupe qui monte les 
périphériques automatiquement. Je crois que c'est plugdev.


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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

2014-08-12 Thread Doe John

Salut,

Je suis ok avec Nicolas, utiliser du tcpwrapper + fail2ban + rules ssh
config est useless.

De plus pour diagnostiquer ton problème il faudrait effectuer tes tests au
cas par cas.

Tu as trop de conf qui rentrent en conflit


Le 12 août 2014 12:17, Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com a
écrit :

 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:03:20PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr
 wrote:
  Pourquoi mon IP client est-il mis systématiquement dans /etc/hosts.deny ?

 Je retourne la question : pourquoi vouloir utiliser denyhosts/fail2ban
 si de toute façon tu autorises *toutes* les connexions SSH ?

 Pour le reste, utiliser fail2ban et denyhosts en même temps me paraît
 être une très mauvaise idée. Fais un choix, puis vérifie.

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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

Je suis d'accord d'utiliser soit l'un soit l'autre pour mieu gerer la
chose. Pour le faite qu'il autorise toute les connexions ssh puis interdit
au fur et a mesure,
Le 12 août 2014 12:18, Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com a
écrit :

 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:03:20PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr
 wrote:
  Pourquoi mon IP client est-il mis systématiquement dans /etc/hosts.deny ?

 Je retourne la question : pourquoi vouloir utiliser denyhosts/fail2ban
 si de toute façon tu autorises *toutes* les connexions SSH ?

 Pour le reste, utiliser fail2ban et denyhosts en même temps me paraît
 être une très mauvaise idée. Fais un choix, puis vérifie.

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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

Je suis d'accord d'utiliser soit l'un soit l'autre pour mieu gerer la
chose. Pour le faite qu'il autorise toute les connexions ssh puis les
interdits au fur et a mesure des échecs de connexion, c'est peut être par
ce qu'il n'est pas en mesure d'énumérer dès le départ toute les machines
par lesquelles il veut/peut se connecté en ssh
Le 12 août 2014 12:18, Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com a
écrit :

 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:03:20PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr
 wrote:
  Pourquoi mon IP client est-il mis systématiquement dans /etc/hosts.deny ?

 Je retourne la question : pourquoi vouloir utiliser denyhosts/fail2ban
 si de toute façon tu autorises *toutes* les connexions SSH ?

 Pour le reste, utiliser fail2ban et denyhosts en même temps me paraît
 être une très mauvaise idée. Fais un choix, puis vérifie.

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Re: Montage automatique d'un USB et permissions

2014-08-12 Thread Luc Novales


Le 12/08/2014 12:22, daniel huhardeaux a écrit :

Le 12/08/2014 06:31, RHATAY Sami a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,


Bonjour



j'ai plusieurs fois eu des soucis avec le montage automatique de mes
clés et disques durs externes : en effet, impossible une fois ceux-ci
montés de pouvoir écrire dessus. Un message d'erreur apparaît en me
disant que le périphérique n'est accessible qu'en lecture seule.

Néanmoins dans mes logs je retrouve ceci :
Aug 12 03:46:09 dell kernel: [44655.919123] sd 30:0:0:0: [sdb] Write
Protect is off

Je suis obligé de passer par la ligne de commande pour écrire dessus. De
plus, il suffit que je remonte manuellement la clé/DD externe pour que
je puisse écrire dessus via l'interface graphique.

Du coup je me suis penché sur la gestion des périphériques avec udev et
je pensais pouvoir trouver dans un fichier de configuration le moyen de
modifier les permissions...mais en vain.

Si vous pouviez éclairer ma lanterne sur le fonctionnement de
l'automount ainsi que la gestion des droits associés, j'en serai
fortement reconnaissant :-)



Ton utilisateur ne doit pas être dans le groupe qui monte les 
périphériques automatiquement. Je crois que c'est plugdev.




C'est déjà une condition, mais si tu as installé le système avec une clé 
USB, il doit trainer 2 lignes dans la fstab (sdb1 et sdb2) qui posent 
ensuite des problèmes. Il faut les commenter.


Enfin si tes clés USB sont en ntfs, il ne faut pas oublier d'installer 
les paquets  ntfs-3g, ntfs-config, et ntfsprogs.


Bonne journée,
Luc.


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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

2014-08-12 Thread Doe John

C'est pour cette raison qu'il faut un plan de diagnostic rigoureux sinon
plus tu pédales moins vite et moins tu avance plus fort ;)


Le 12 août 2014 12:35, Belaïd oblivion.ik...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Je suis d'accord d'utiliser soit l'un soit l'autre pour mieu gerer la
 chose. Pour le faite qu'il autorise toute les connexions ssh puis les
 interdits au fur et a mesure des échecs de connexion, c'est peut être par
 ce qu'il n'est pas en mesure d'énumérer dès le départ toute les machines
 par lesquelles il veut/peut se connecté en ssh
 Le 12 août 2014 12:18, Nicolas KOWALSKI nicolas.kowal...@gmail.com a
 écrit :

 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:03:20PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr
 wrote:

  Pourquoi mon IP client est-il mis systématiquement dans /etc/hosts.deny
 ?

 Je retourne la question : pourquoi vouloir utiliser denyhosts/fail2ban
 si de toute façon tu autorises *toutes* les connexions SSH ?

 Pour le reste, utiliser fail2ban et denyhosts en même temps me paraît
 être une très mauvaise idée. Fais un choix, puis vérifie.

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Re: Montage automatique d'un USB et permissions

2014-08-12 Thread fred

Bonjour,


Le mardi 12 août 2014 12:22:26 daniel huhardeaux a écrit :
 Le 12/08/2014 06:31, RHATAY Sami a écrit :
couic
  
  Je suis obligé de passer par la ligne de commande pour écrire dessus. De
  plus, il suffit que je remonte manuellement la clé/DD externe pour que
  je puisse écrire dessus via l'interface graphique.

Ben, tout pareil

  Si vous pouviez éclairer ma lanterne sur le fonctionnement de
  l'automount ainsi que la gestion des droits associés, j'en serai
  fortement reconnaissant :-)
 
 Ton utilisateur ne doit pas être dans le groupe qui monte les
 périphériques automatiquement. Je crois que c'est plugdev.

Euh, pas de plugdev dans /etc/group.

Pourtant udev est bien installé avec usbmount.

J'ai oublié quelque chose ?


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Re: Montage automatique d'un USB et permissions

2014-08-12 Thread RHATAY Sami

Bonjour,

Le 12/08/2014 12:22, daniel huhardeaux a écrit :
 
 Ton utilisateur ne doit pas être dans le groupe qui monte les
 périphériques automatiquement. Je crois que c'est plugdev.
 

La commande 'groups sam' me renvoie ceci :
sam : sam dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner
bluetooth netdev

Donc je suis bien dans le groupe plugdev :-)


Le 12/08/2014 12:35, Luc Novales a écrit :
 C'est déjà une condition, mais si tu as installé le système avec une clé
 USB, il doit trainer 2 lignes dans la fstab (sdb1 et sdb2) qui posent
 ensuite des problèmes. Il faut les commenter.

 Enfin si tes clés USB sont en ntfs, il ne faut pas oublier d'installer
 les paquets  ntfs-3g, ntfs-config, et ntfsprogs.


Installation effectuée par DVD, et mon fstab ne contient rien de tel. De
plus la clé est formatée en FAT32.

J'ai lu cette doc (
http://debian-handbook.info/browse/fr-FR/stable/sect.hotplug.html ) qui
explique le fonctionnement de udev .
Le truc qui m'échappe c'est quel outil s'occupe de monter
automatiquement la clé dans le répertoire /media/ .

Je n'ai trouvé aucune règle dans /etc/udev/rules.d/ ou
/lib/udev/rules.d/ qui indique cela ... mais pas de trace dans mon
installation de soft comme autofs ou usbmount par ex.

Merci ,
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Re: Montage automatique d'un USB et permissions

Bonjour,
J'ai fais un test en lançant: udevadm control --log-priority=info et en
faisant un grep /lib/udev/rules.d/ dans les logs du systeme
(/var/log/syslog), je vois qu'il fait appel (entre autres) aux fichiers du
répertoire /lib/udev/rules.d/ suivants:

60-persistent-storage.rules
80-udisks.rules
85-hdparm.rules
91-permissions.rules
et 60-fuse.rules (dans mon cas une clé en NTFS)

Si ça peut t'aider ...


Le 12 août 2014 15:56, RHATAY Sami rhatay.e1302...@etud.univ-ubs.fr a
écrit :

 Bonjour,

 Le 12/08/2014 12:22, daniel huhardeaux a écrit :
 
  Ton utilisateur ne doit pas être dans le groupe qui monte les
  périphériques automatiquement. Je crois que c'est plugdev.
 

 La commande 'groups sam' me renvoie ceci :
 sam : sam dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner
 bluetooth netdev

 Donc je suis bien dans le groupe plugdev :-)


 Le 12/08/2014 12:35, Luc Novales a écrit :
  C'est déjà une condition, mais si tu as installé le système avec une clé
  USB, il doit trainer 2 lignes dans la fstab (sdb1 et sdb2) qui posent
  ensuite des problèmes. Il faut les commenter.
 
  Enfin si tes clés USB sont en ntfs, il ne faut pas oublier d'installer
  les paquets  ntfs-3g, ntfs-config, et ntfsprogs.
 

 Installation effectuée par DVD, et mon fstab ne contient rien de tel. De
 plus la clé est formatée en FAT32.

 J'ai lu cette doc (
 http://debian-handbook.info/browse/fr-FR/stable/sect.hotplug.html ) qui
 explique le fonctionnement de udev .
 Le truc qui m'échappe c'est quel outil s'occupe de monter
 automatiquement la clé dans le répertoire /media/ .

 Je n'ai trouvé aucune règle dans /etc/udev/rules.d/ ou
 /lib/udev/rules.d/ qui indique cela ... mais pas de trace dans mon
 installation de soft comme autofs ou usbmount par ex.

 Merci ,
 Cordialement
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instabilité système actuel

2014-08-12 Thread MERLIN Philippe

Bonjour,
Je suis en Debian Sid AMD64 à jour et actuellement le nom d'instable est 
largement mérité, du moins dans mon cas. 
Au Boot dans le temps, il n'y a pas si longtemps, il y avait à l'écran 
l'apparition des services lancés, maintenant le seul service qui apparaît est 
le fsck puis écran noir (quand il y a une vérification approfondie du disque  
par ce même fsck on ne vois pas la progression de cette vérification ce qui est 
très désagréable) sauf apparition du prompt pour le login d'une console, 
l'écran d'ouverture d'une session X arrive enfin (pour moi Kde), si je lance 
ouverture d'une session Kde immédiatement la session s'ouvre péniblement et 
très lentement(+ de 3 minutes), l'ouverture de l'espace de travail est 
incomplète, seul la console kde apparaît , après analyse du pb on remarque que 
le service akonadi  n'a pas pu se lancer, un lancement manuel par akonadictl 
permet généralement de rectifier et de retrouver l'espace de travail habituel. 
(durée + 10 minutes).
Pour éviter ce problème j'ai trouvé une solution qui semble fonctionner 
attendre + de 4 minutes avant de lancer la session( pour moi qui ne suis pas 
expert il semble que le serveur Mysql ne soit pas encore lancé à l'apparition 
de l'écran d'ouverture d'une session X). Autre problème actuellement 
impossible d'arrêter l'ordinateur logiciellement, je me trouve après encore de 
longues minute sur un écran noir avec le message Reboot Halted , je dois 
alors l'arrêter électriquement ce qui n'est pas le top. 
Rencontrez vous ces problèmes? Ou suis je le seul ?
Philippe Merlin

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Re: instabilité système actuel

2014-08-12 Thread BERTRAND Joël


MERLIN Philippe a écrit :

Bonjour,
Je suis en Debian Sid AMD64 à jour et actuellement le nom d'instable est
largement mérité, du moins dans mon cas.
Au Boot dans le temps, il n'y a pas si longtemps, il y avait à l'écran
l'apparition des services lancés, maintenant le seul service qui apparaît est
le fsck puis écran noir (quand il y a une vérification approfondie du disque
par ce même fsck on ne vois pas la progression de cette vérification ce qui est
très désagréable) sauf apparition du prompt pour le login d'une console,
l'écran d'ouverture d'une session X arrive enfin (pour moi Kde), si je lance
ouverture d'une session Kde immédiatement la session s'ouvre péniblement et
très lentement(+ de 3 minutes), l'ouverture de l'espace de travail est
incomplète, seul la console kde apparaît , après analyse du pb on remarque que
le service akonadi  n'a pas pu se lancer, un lancement manuel par akonadictl
permet généralement de rectifier et de retrouver l'espace de travail habituel.
(durée + 10 minutes).
Pour éviter ce problème j'ai trouvé une solution qui semble fonctionner
attendre + de 4 minutes avant de lancer la session( pour moi qui ne suis pas
expert il semble que le serveur Mysql ne soit pas encore lancé à l'apparition
de l'écran d'ouverture d'une session X). Autre problème actuellement
impossible d'arrêter l'ordinateur logiciellement, je me trouve après encore de
longues minute sur un écran noir avec le message Reboot Halted , je dois
alors l'arrêter électriquement ce qui n'est pas le top.
Rencontrez vous ces problèmes? Ou suis je le seul ?
Philippe Merlin



Bonsoir et bienvenue dans le monde merveilleux et enchanté de systemd.

	Ton problème ressemble à un timeout quelque part sur un problème de 
configuration. Le problème est que ma boule de cristal est actuellement 
au polissage... :-(


	Normalement, dans syslog, tu devrais avoir les daemons lancés avec 
l'horodatage correspondant (et des messages d'erreur le cas échéant). Il 
faudrait déjà commencer par regarder par là s'il n'y aurait pas quelque 
chose de louche.


Cordialement,

JKB

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Re: instabilité système actuel

2014-08-12 Thread Thierry Chatelet

Bonsoir,
Bon je ne vais aider beaucoup, mais je voudrais signaler que sur la liste en 
anglais il y a un tres long fils de discussion à propos de systemd appelé End 
of hypocrisy. Pour ceux qui pratiquent la langue, c' est plein d' 
enseignement démarrant approximativement après le premier tier du fils, c'est à 
dire après toutes les plaintes sur l' épaule de je ne sais qui. Après 
c'est très constructif, avec un dev d' une partie de systemd qui donne des 
réponses et/ou des explications. C' est long, ça demanderais peut-être une 
compile de toutes les infos..
Thierry

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Re: Montage automatique d'un USB et permissions

2014-08-12 Thread nb

Bonjour


Le Mardi 12 Août 2014 15:56 CEST, RHATAY Sami 
rhatay.e1302...@etud.univ-ubs.fr a écrit:

 Bonjour,

 Le 12/08/2014 12:22, daniel huhardeaux a écrit :
 
  Ton utilisateur ne doit pas être dans le groupe qui monte les

  périphériques automatiquement. Je crois que c'est plugdev.
 

 La commande 'groups sam' me renvoie ceci :
 sam : sam dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner
 bluetooth netdev

 Donc je suis bien dans le groupe plugdev :-)

Si ça peut t'aider, voici ce que je me suis fait pour réoudre ce type de pb:


Dans /etc/udev/rules.d/99-removables_devices_nb.rules (à créer)

ENV{ID_BUS}==usb, ENV{SUBSYSTEM}==block, ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}!=, 
ENV{ID_USB_DRIVER}==usb-storage, ENV{DEVTYPE}==partition, 
RUN+=/usr/local/bin/udev_nb.sh %k
ENV{ID_BUS}==memstick, ENV{DEVTYPE}==partition, 
RUN+=/usr/local/bin/udev_nb.sh %k
ENV{ID_TYPE}==disk, ENV{ID_BUS}==ata, ENV{SUBSYSTEM}==block, 
ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}!=, ENV{DEVTYPE}==partition, RUN+=/usr/local/bin/udev_nb.sh 
%k

Dans /usr/local/bin/udev_nb.sh :

#!/bin/bash

K=$1
moi=nb

droits=
case $ID_FS_TYPE in
  vfat)
fstype=$ID_FS_TYPE
droits=-o uid=$moi,gid=$moi,async 
;;
  ext3|ext4)
fstype=$ID_FS_TYPE,async
;;
  exfat)
#fstype=exfat-fuse
fstype=exfat
droits=-o uid=$moi,gid=$moi,async 
;;
  ntfs)
fstype=ntfs-3g
droits=-o uid=$moi,gid=$moi,async 
;;
  *)
logger $0 - ID_FS_TYPE=\$ID_FS_TYPE\ inconnu (a ajouter?)
exit
esac

if [ $ID_FS_LABEL !=  ]
then
  mtnpnt=/media/$ID_FS_LABEL
else
  mtnpnt=/media/$K
fi

case $ACTION in
  add|change)
if [ $ID_FS_TYPE !=  ]
then
  command_mount=mount -t $fstype $droits $DEVNAME $mtnpnt
  umount $mtnpnt || rmdir $mtnpnt || mkdir $mtnpnt  $command_mount
  logger montage : $command_mount
fi
;;
  remove)
umount $mtnpnt
rmdir $mtnpnt
;;
esac

Pour info j'ai remplacé exfat-fuse par exfat car sur sid ça ne fonctionne pas 
pour moi
La commande logger permet d'avoir dans la syslog ce qui a été exécuté.
Ce sont là tous les types de fs que j'ai utilisés. Tu peux adapter le script à 
d'autres types de fs
Il faudra bien sûr remplacer nb par sam

J'espère que ça pourra t'aider.

nb


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Re: hosts.deny : blacklister systématiquement

2014-08-12 Thread andre_debian

On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:03:48 Doe John wrote:
 C'est pour cette raison qu'il faut un plan de diagnostic rigoureux sinon
 plus tu pédales moins vite et moins tu avance plus fort ;)

Je dirai plutôt :
plus on veut pédaler avec ses jambes et ses mains et moins on avance plus fort.
:-)

André

  Pour le reste, utiliser fail2ban et denyhosts en même temps me paraît
  être une très mauvaise idée. Fais un choix, puis vérifie.
  Nicolas

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montar memoria flash

2014-08-12 Thread luis


Buenos días a todos

Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian pero 
bueno es linux igual 


Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y la 
reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de Zentyal 
no lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??


No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???

Agradezco toda ayuda.



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Re: montar memoria flash

2014-08-12 Thread Ricardo Eureka!

Que es Zentyal?


El 12 de agosto de 2014, 8:50, l...@ida.cu escribió:

 Buenos días a todos

 Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian pero
 bueno es linux igual 

 Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y la
 reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de Zentyal no
 lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??

 No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???

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Re: problemas con disco externo

2014-08-12 Thread Camaleón

El Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:17:26 -0400, Ing. Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez
escribió:

 Bueno, te digo lo que yo haría con ese disco:

 1/ Conectarlo directamente al puerto de la placa base

 2/ Pasarle la utilidad de verificación SMART del fabricante del disco
 duro para comprobar si tiene sectores defectuosos y en caso afirmativo,
 marcarlos como dañados si lo permite.

 3/ Para intentar recuperar los datos, prueba a cargar una LiveCD con
 una versión del kernel superior a la que tienes actualmente e intenta
 montar la partición.

 Los registros que mandas parecen indicar que la partición está dañada y
 al montarla se produce un kernel OOPS lo cual podría indicar un
 problema de la versión del kernel que tienes o que ese disco está dando
 sus últimos estertores.
 
 Bueno, les contaré, que quite el disco de ese servidor, lo traja para mi
 PC con Linux Mint 17, abri una consola y le hice un tail -f al syslog y
 nada más que lo conecte al USB vi que me recomendaba pasarle la
 herramienta e2fsck a la partición, lo hice y después de una serie de
 pasos, ya el disco está montado de nuevo con toda la información ahí. No
 me puse a querer abrirlo de primer momento ya que es un HDD cerrado,
 específicamente: Transcend TS2TSJ35T

Perfecto, me alegra que lo tengas resuelto :-)

De todas formas, pasarle la utilidad SMART que proporciona el fabricante 
con sus herramientas de diagnóstico no sería mala idea, así descartas que 
el disco problemas posteriores. Eso sí, al tratarse de un disco USB 
integrado con su caja sin opción de extracción sólo podrás ejecutar la 
herramienta de verificación desde windows :-(

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Re: montar memoria flash

2014-08-12 Thread luis


On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:51:54 -0300, Ricardo Eureka! wrote:

Que es Zentyal?

El 12 de agosto de 2014, 8:50,  escribió:


Buenos días a todos

Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian
pero bueno es linux igual 

Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y
la reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de
Zentyal no lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??

No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???

Agradezco toda ayuda.

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Zentyal es un paquete de software para diferentes usos bajo plataforma 
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[OT-Zentyal] Re: montar memoria flash

2014-08-12 Thread Camaleón

El Tue, 12 Aug 2014 07:50:28 -0400, luis escribió:

 Buenos días a todos
 
 Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian pero
 bueno es linux igual 

Claro, claro... total :-)

Al menos márcalo como OT.

 Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y la
 reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de Zentyal
 no lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??
 
 No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???
 
 Agradezco toda ayuda.

Conecta la llave USB, abre una terminal, ejecuta y manda la salida de 
estos comandos:

dmesg | tail -40
mount
cat /etc/fstab

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Re: montar memoria flash

2014-08-12 Thread Felix Perez

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 7:51, Ricardo Eureka!
ricardoeur...@gmail.com escribió:
 Que es Zentyal?


No te gastes, igual alguien le va a contestar.


 El 12 de agosto de 2014, 8:50, l...@ida.cu escribió:

 Buenos días a todos

 Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian pero
 bueno es linux igual 

 Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y la
 reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de Zentyal no
 lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??

 No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???

 Agradezco toda ayuda.





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Re: montar memoria flash

2014-08-12 Thread Ricardo Eureka!

Tarde. Ya salio la contestadora serial a iluminar con su omnipresencia


El 12 de agosto de 2014, 18:31, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com
escribió:

 El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 7:51, Ricardo Eureka!
 ricardoeur...@gmail.com escribió:
  Que es Zentyal?
 

 No te gastes, igual alguien le va a contestar.

 
  El 12 de agosto de 2014, 8:50, l...@ida.cu escribió:
 
  Buenos días a todos
 
  Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian pero
  bueno es linux igual 
 
  Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y la
  reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de
 Zentyal no
  lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??
 
  No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???
 
  Agradezco toda ayuda.
 
 
 


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Tarjeta de sonido

Excelente y lluviosa tarde a todos ustedes amigos Debianeros:

Tenia tiempo que no escribia debido a que tengo que ganarme el
sustento de cada dia.

Hoy les deseo pedir ayuda para resolver el siguiente problema que
tengo con la maquina principal de mi trabajo.

Es necesario grabar todas y cada una de las conferencias que aqui se
dan. Tenemos una mezcladora y todo excelente, se puede grabar con
calidad profesional.

La cuestion es que para facilitar el trabajo debo grabar en la maquina
principal para luego ser enviada por ftp al disco duro de la empresa.
La cuestion es que al usar el comando rec, no graba, supongo que es la
configuracion de la tarjeta de sonido.

Ya estuve leyendo en la red y no encuentro la respuesta, se supone que
es sencillo, pero no lo he logrado aunque en ocasiones anteriores no
he tenido problemas para ello.

rec PRUEBA.wav

La grabacion es muy comun, la hago casi a diario, pero en esta maquina
me esta dando mucha lata. En otras maquinas no tengo ningun problema,
pero aqui no he podido.

intento instalar mediante:

apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

Preconfigurando paquetes ...
dpkg: error en el análisis, en el fichero `/var/lib/dpkg/status' cerca
de la línea 12694 paquete `bleachbit':
falta version
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)

ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status
Package: bleachbit
Status: deinstall ok config-files
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 1564
Maintainer: Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org
Architecture: all
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
Config-Version: 0.8.0-1
Depends: python (= 2.4), python-support (= 0.90.0), python-gtk2,
python-glade2, python-gnome2
Recommends: python-notify, menu
Description: delete unnecessary files from the system
BleachBit deletes unnecessary files to free valuable disk space, maintain
privacy, and remove junk. It removes cache, Internet history, temporary files,
cookies, and broken shortcuts.
.
It handles cleaning of Adobe Reader, Bash, Beagle, Epiphany, Firefox, Flash,
GIMP, Google Earth, Java, KDE, OpenOffice.org, Opera, RealPlayer, rpmbuild,
Second Life Viewer, VIM, XChat, and more.
.
Beyond simply erasing junk files, BleachBit wipes free disk space (to hide
previously deleted files for privacy and to improve compression of images),
vacuums Firefox databases (to improve performance without deleting data), and
securely shreds arbitrary files.
Homepage: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status

Tambien verifique el tipo de tarjeta de sonido

lspci

00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2)
00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)

Alguna idea?

Gracias

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Re: Tarjeta de sonido

Ya corregi el el problema del archivo

ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 

Lo cambie por
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
Version: 0.8.0-1
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 

El simbolo es el que me estaba dando el error pero sigo sin poder
meter sonido por la tarjeta.

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 19:32, Rantis Cares
rantisca...@gmail.com escribió:
 Excelente y lluviosa tarde a todos ustedes amigos Debianeros:

 Tenia tiempo que no escribia debido a que tengo que ganarme el
 sustento de cada dia.

 Hoy les deseo pedir ayuda para resolver el siguiente problema que
 tengo con la maquina principal de mi trabajo.

 Es necesario grabar todas y cada una de las conferencias que aqui se
 dan. Tenemos una mezcladora y todo excelente, se puede grabar con
 calidad profesional.

 La cuestion es que para facilitar el trabajo debo grabar en la maquina
 principal para luego ser enviada por ftp al disco duro de la empresa.
 La cuestion es que al usar el comando rec, no graba, supongo que es la
 configuracion de la tarjeta de sonido.

 Ya estuve leyendo en la red y no encuentro la respuesta, se supone que
 es sencillo, pero no lo he logrado aunque en ocasiones anteriores no
 he tenido problemas para ello.

 rec PRUEBA.wav

 La grabacion es muy comun, la hago casi a diario, pero en esta maquina
 me esta dando mucha lata. En otras maquinas no tengo ningun problema,
 pero aqui no he podido.


 intento instalar mediante:

 apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

 Preconfigurando paquetes ...
 dpkg: error en el análisis, en el fichero `/var/lib/dpkg/status' cerca
 de la línea 12694 paquete `bleachbit':
  falta version
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)


 ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
 Package: bleachbit
 Status: deinstall ok config-files
 Priority: optional
 Section: admin
 Installed-Size: 1564
 Maintainer: Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org
 Architecture: all
 Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
 Config-Version: 0.8.0-1
 Depends: python (= 2.4), python-support (= 0.90.0), python-gtk2,
 python-glade2, python-gnome2
 Recommends: python-notify, menu
 Description: delete unnecessary files from the system
  BleachBit deletes unnecessary files to free valuable disk space, maintain
  privacy, and remove junk. It removes cache, Internet history, temporary 
 files,
  cookies, and broken shortcuts.
  .
  It handles cleaning of Adobe Reader, Bash, Beagle, Epiphany, Firefox, Flash,
  GIMP, Google Earth, Java, KDE, OpenOffice.org, Opera, RealPlayer, rpmbuild,
  Second Life Viewer, VIM, XChat, and more.
  .
  Beyond simply erasing junk files, BleachBit wipes free disk space (to hide
  previously deleted files for privacy and to improve compression of images),
  vacuums Firefox databases (to improve performance without deleting data), and
  securely shreds arbitrary files.
 Homepage: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net
 ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 

 Tambien verifique el tipo de tarjeta de sonido

 lspci

 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2)
 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)

 Alguna idea?

 Gracias

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Re: Tarjeta de sonido

Ya revise los cables y la conexion a la tarjeta y todo esta n perfecto estado.

Sigo sin poder grabar. Confirmo que si tengo sonido en la tarjeta.

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 19:32, Rantis Cares
rantisca...@gmail.com escribió:
Excelente y lluviosa tarde a todos ustedes amigos Debianeros:

Tenia tiempo que no escribia debido a que tengo que ganarme el
sustento de cada dia.

Hoy les deseo pedir ayuda para resolver el siguiente problema que
tengo con la maquina principal de mi trabajo.

Es necesario grabar todas y cada una de las conferencias que aqui se
dan. Tenemos una mezcladora y todo excelente, se puede grabar con
calidad profesional.

Ya estuve leyendo en la red y no encuentro la respuesta, se supone que
es sencillo, pero no lo he logrado aunque en ocasiones anteriores no
he tenido problemas para ello.

rec PRUEBA.wav

La grabacion es muy comun, la hago casi a diario, pero en esta maquina
me esta dando mucha lata. En otras maquinas no tengo ningun problema,
pero aqui no he podido.

intento instalar mediante:

apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status
Package: bleachbit
Status: deinstall ok config-files
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 1564
Maintainer: Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org
Architecture: all
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
Config-Version: 0.8.0-1
Depends: python (= 2.4), python-support (= 0.90.0), python-gtk2,
python-glade2, python-gnome2
Recommends: python-notify, menu
Description: delete unnecessary files from the system
BleachBit deletes unnecessary files to free valuable disk space, maintain
privacy, and remove junk. It removes cache, Internet history, temporary
files,
cookies, and broken shortcuts.
.
It handles cleaning of Adobe Reader, Bash, Beagle, Epiphany, Firefox, Flash,
GIMP, Google Earth, Java, KDE, OpenOffice.org, Opera, RealPlayer, rpmbuild,
Second Life Viewer, VIM, XChat, and more.
.
Beyond simply erasing junk files, BleachBit wipes free disk space (to hide
previously deleted files for privacy and to improve compression of images),
vacuums Firefox databases (to improve performance without deleting data), and
securely shreds arbitrary files.
Homepage: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status

Tambien verifique el tipo de tarjeta de sonido

lspci

00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2)
00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)

Alguna idea?

Gracias

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OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-12 Thread Ricardo

Hola Lista

Tengo una caja  NAS con 4 TB de disco, tiene la opción de compartir por NFS
ya compartí una carpeta con permisos full es decir Lectura y escritura.

trato de montar con estos comandos:

[root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]# mount -v -t nfs 192.168.3.131:/Backups /mnt/

mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 13 vers 3 prot tcp port 2049

mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 15 vers 3 prot udp port 56001

mount: 192.168.3.131:/Backups failed, reason given by server: Permission
denied

[root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]#

Como verán me dice acceso denegado como lo puedo pesarla al comando el
usuario y pass para que se conecte correctamente?

Saludos


Ricardo

Re: Tarjeta de sonido

Debianeros:

Gracias, ya no se tomen la molestia, ya corregi el problema, ¡¡¡Ya
estoy grabando perfectamente, se escucha maravillosamente la
grabacion!!!.

Corregi el error en la linea que les comente.

Instale

apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

Posteriomente me fui a entorno grafico de OSSMIXER ahi configure la
entrada de ganancia, elegi el microfono y listo.

PROBLEMA RESUELTO.
Graicas

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 19:42, Rantis Cares
rantisca...@gmail.com escribió:
Ya corregi el el problema del archivo

ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status

Lo cambie por
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status
Version: 0.8.0-1
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status

El simbolo es el que me estaba dando el error pero sigo sin poder
meter sonido por la tarjeta.

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 19:32, Rantis Cares
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Excelente y lluviosa tarde a todos ustedes amigos Debianeros:

Tenia tiempo que no escribia debido a que tengo que ganarme el
sustento de cada dia.

Hoy les deseo pedir ayuda para resolver el siguiente problema que
tengo con la maquina principal de mi trabajo.

Es necesario grabar todas y cada una de las conferencias que aqui se
dan. Tenemos una mezcladora y todo excelente, se puede grabar con
calidad profesional.

Ya estuve leyendo en la red y no encuentro la respuesta, se supone que
es sencillo, pero no lo he logrado aunque en ocasiones anteriores no
he tenido problemas para ello.

rec PRUEBA.wav

La grabacion es muy comun, la hago casi a diario, pero en esta maquina
me esta dando mucha lata. En otras maquinas no tengo ningun problema,
pero aqui no he podido.

intento instalar mediante:

apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status
Package: bleachbit
Status: deinstall ok config-files
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 1564
Maintainer: Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org
Architecture: all
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
Config-Version: 0.8.0-1
Depends: python (= 2.4), python-support (= 0.90.0), python-gtk2,
python-glade2, python-gnome2
Recommends: python-notify, menu
Description: delete unnecessary files from the system
BleachBit deletes unnecessary files to free valuable disk space, maintain
privacy, and remove junk. It removes cache, Internet history, temporary
files,
cookies, and broken shortcuts.
.
It handles cleaning of Adobe Reader, Bash, Beagle, Epiphany, Firefox, Flash,
GIMP, Google Earth, Java, KDE, OpenOffice.org, Opera, RealPlayer, rpmbuild,
Second Life Viewer, VIM, XChat, and more.
.
Beyond simply erasing junk files, BleachBit wipes free disk space (to hide
previously deleted files for privacy and to improve compression of images),
vacuums Firefox databases (to improve performance without deleting data),
and
securely shreds arbitrary files.
Homepage: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status

Tambien verifique el tipo de tarjeta de sonido

lspci

00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2)
00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)

Alguna idea?

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Re: OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-12 Thread Flako

El 12 de agosto de 2014, 21:58, Ricardo w...@guzman.com.ar escribió:

 Hola Lista

 Tengo una caja  NAS con 4 TB de disco, tiene la opción de compartir por
 NFS ya compartí una carpeta con permisos full es decir Lectura y escritura.

 trato de montar con estos comandos:

 [root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]# mount -v -t nfs 192.168.3.131:/Backups /mnt/

 mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 13 vers 3 prot tcp port 2049

 mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 15 vers 3 prot udp port 56001

 mount: 192.168.3.131:/Backups failed, reason given by server: Permission
 denied

 [root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]#

 Como verán me dice acceso denegado como lo puedo pesarla al comando el
 usuario y pass para que se conecte correctamente?


el nfs de toda la vida, autentica por ip y no por usuario..
Creo que el error que te dice es la ip del cliente no tiene permisos, o
esta mal el path /Backup. (ain ver la configuración del server no estoy del
todo seguro...)

secure boot

2014-08-12 Thread mattias


stöder inte heller jessie secure boot?


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Re: apt-get não atualiza pacote

2014-08-12 Thread Tiago Rocha


Tiago, a source.list não seria assim?

debhttp://http.debian.net/debian/  squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
Mais aqui: 
http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/extending-squeeze-security-support



Seria sim. Mas eu fiquei sem entender a razão da pergunta.

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Re: Site da Caixa econômica federal redireciona para um phishing

2014-08-12 Thread Márcio Fornari

Desculpe o OFF..
Mas o Site da Caixa Econômica está apresentando indisponibilidade hoje de
manhã.
E agora o Banco do Brasil também está fora.

Com vcs está assim também?


2014-08-07 14:15 GMT-03:00 Adilson Francisco da Silva adilson...@gmail.com
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 Boa tarde amigos da Lista.

 Meu muito obrigado a todos, os Srs. foram de grande ajuda. Aprendi
 muito nos últimos dias.

 A todos um cordial abraço
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Re: Site da Caixa econômica federal redireciona para um phishing

2014-08-12 Thread Edson Araújo

Aqui está normal.

 
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Em Terça-feira, 12 de Agosto de 2014 10:05, Márcio Fornari 
marcioforn...@gmail.com escreveu:
 


Desculpe o OFF..
Mas o Site da Caixa Econômica está apresentando indisponibilidade hoje de manhã.
E agora o Banco do Brasil também está fora.

Com vcs está assim também?



2014-08-07 14:15 GMT-03:00 Adilson Francisco da Silva adilson...@gmail.com:

Boa tarde amigos da Lista.

Meu muito obrigado a todos, os Srs. foram de grande ajuda. Aprendi
muito nos últimos dias.

A todos um cordial abraço
Adilson



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Re: Site da Caixa econômica federal redireciona para um phishing

2014-08-12 Thread Márcio Fornari

Mas que coisa..
Aqui acessa tudo menos o site do Banco do Brasil na empresa toda.

Talvez tenha alguma problema em uma rota na Região sul.


Em 12 de agosto de 2014 10:07, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br
escreveu:

 Aqui está normal.

 ~Edson Silva
 graduate in information systems
 formed in technical of computer networking
 cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656
 twitter: @edsonlead

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   Em Terça-feira, 12 de Agosto de 2014 10:05, Márcio Fornari 
 marcioforn...@gmail.com escreveu:


 Desculpe o OFF..
 Mas o Site da Caixa Econômica está apresentando indisponibilidade hoje de
 manhã.
 E agora o Banco do Brasil também está fora.

 Com vcs está assim também?


 2014-08-07 14:15 GMT-03:00 Adilson Francisco da Silva 
 adilson...@gmail.com:

 Boa tarde amigos da Lista.

 Meu muito obrigado a todos, os Srs. foram de grande ajuda. Aprendi
 muito nos últimos dias.

 A todos um cordial abraço
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Re: Site da Caixa econômica federal redireciona para um phishing

2014-08-12 Thread Paulo Roberto P. Evangelista

O melhor lugar para esse tipo de pergunta e na lista - *caiu -- Lista das
indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira*

http://eng.registro.br/mailman/listinfo/caiu




2014-08-12 10:12 GMT-03:00 Márcio Fornari marcioforn...@gmail.com:

 Mas que coisa..
 Aqui acessa tudo menos o site do Banco do Brasil na empresa toda.

 Talvez tenha alguma problema em uma rota na Região sul.


 Em 12 de agosto de 2014 10:07, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br
 escreveu:

 Aqui está normal.

 ~Edson Silva
 graduate in information systems
 formed in technical of computer networking
 cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656
 twitter: @edsonlead

 Com o conhecimento nossas dúvidas aumentam - Johann Goethe


   Em Terça-feira, 12 de Agosto de 2014 10:05, Márcio Fornari 
 marcioforn...@gmail.com escreveu:


 Desculpe o OFF..
 Mas o Site da Caixa Econômica está apresentando indisponibilidade hoje de
 manhã.
 E agora o Banco do Brasil também está fora.

 Com vcs está assim também?


 2014-08-07 14:15 GMT-03:00 Adilson Francisco da Silva 
 adilson...@gmail.com:

 Boa tarde amigos da Lista.

 Meu muito obrigado a todos, os Srs. foram de grande ajuda. Aprendi
 muito nos últimos dias.

 A todos um cordial abraço
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Re: Site da Caixa econômica federal redireciona para um phishing

2014-08-12 Thread Márcio Fornari

Não conhecia essa lista Caiu, já vou me inscrever.

Rafael aqui utilizamos Internet de uma operadora de Fibra Optica.
Liguei pra eles e eles vão ver onde está caindo. Mas ali com eles tbm não
está dando certo.

Então deve ser na região aqui




Em 12 de agosto de 2014 10:15, Paulo Roberto P. Evangelista 
shellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:

 O melhor lugar para esse tipo de pergunta e na lista - *caiu -- Lista
 das indisponibilidades da Internet brasileira*

 http://eng.registro.br/mailman/listinfo/caiu




 2014-08-12 10:12 GMT-03:00 Márcio Fornari marcioforn...@gmail.com:

 Mas que coisa..
 Aqui acessa tudo menos o site do Banco do Brasil na empresa toda.

 Talvez tenha alguma problema em uma rota na Região sul.


 Em 12 de agosto de 2014 10:07, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br
 escreveu:

 Aqui está normal.

 ~Edson Silva
 graduate in information systems
 formed in technical of computer networking
 cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656
 twitter: @edsonlead

 Com o conhecimento nossas dúvidas aumentam - Johann Goethe


   Em Terça-feira, 12 de Agosto de 2014 10:05, Márcio Fornari 
 marcioforn...@gmail.com escreveu:


 Desculpe o OFF..
 Mas o Site da Caixa Econômica está apresentando indisponibilidade hoje
 de manhã.
 E agora o Banco do Brasil também está fora.

 Com vcs está assim também?


 2014-08-07 14:15 GMT-03:00 Adilson Francisco da Silva 
 adilson...@gmail.com:

 Boa tarde amigos da Lista.

 Meu muito obrigado a todos, os Srs. foram de grande ajuda. Aprendi
 muito nos últimos dias.

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Re: skype

2014-08-12 Thread Shutdown -h now

Caros,

A recomendação que fiz acima (de instalar o pacote 'skype'  via gerenciador
de pacotes, está EQUIVOCADA)

Peço desculpas por isso.

Realmente, conforme outros amigos mencionaram acima, o ideal no momento, é
baixar o pacote disponível no website oficial do Skype.

Att,


Em 11 de agosto de 2014 08:18, Leandro de Lima Camargo 
leandro...@icloud.com escreveu:

 Bom dia.
 Estou com o Debian Wheezy e só resolvi desinstalando e instalando
 novamente.
 Pelo menos pra mim, não deu certo atualizar.
 apt-get autoremove --purge skype
 dpkg -i *pacote-skype*


  Atenciosamente
 Leandro de Lima Camargo


 2014-08-11 8:14 GMT-03:00 Leandro de Lima Camargo 
 leandrobach...@gmail.com:

 Bom dia.
 Estou com o Debian Wheezy e só resolvi desinstalando e instalando
 novamente.
 Pelo menos pra mim, não deu certo atualizar.
 apt-get autoremove --purge skype
 dpkg -i *pacote-skype*


 Atenciosamente
 Leandro de Lima Camargo


 2014-08-10 23:00 GMT-03:00 G.Paulo linu...@terra.com.br:


 Microsoft disponibilizou nova versão do Skype. Se você usa o Debian
 Weezy, como eu, não adianta apt-get upgrade, porque a versão atual do
 respositório não é aceita mais pelo Skype. Se você usa o Debian testing,
 então, talvez 

 A solução definitiva é baixar a versao do site do Skype e intalá-la. O
 problema é que, se antes o Skype era caixa-preta, agora deve ser
 caixa-preta com olhos e ouvidos a serviço da Microsoft.
 Alguém precisa criar uma outra opção. Urgentemente.
 sds
 G.Paulo.


 On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:03:24 -0300
 Andre N Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 12:57:03PM +, jmhenri...@yahoo.com.br
  wrote:
   Atualize o skype.
  
   Enviado pelo meu aparelho BlackBerry®
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Cecilia Gonzalez ceciepr...@gmail.com
   Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:55:40
   To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
   Subject: skype
  
   Caros,alguem pode me ajudar?O meu skype sempre funcionou
   normalmente,e agora ,me pede senha e quando coloco diz,o skype não
   conseguiu conectar se. Ja tentei pesquisar na internet e ate
   troquei a senha mais nada,nem com a senha nova nem com a
   antiga,continua na mesma. Alguém sabe que esta acontecendo?
   Grata a vcs pela ajuda.
  
 
  Se a atualização não funcionar, o que eu sei é que recentemente houve
  uma grande thread sobre o skype na lista internacional. Não acompanhei
  porque não uso skype, mas dê uma olhada para ver se o seu problema se
  relaciona:
 
  Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7 -
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg00061.html


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Re: Solução definitiva para acessar o Banco do Brasil no Debian 7

2014-08-12 Thread Rogerio R. Silva

Caro Junior,

Para ficar registrado na lista - sua sugestão resolveu o problema. Apenas
tive que trocar i686 por x86_64.

Abraços,
Rogério


Em 11 de agosto de 2014 16:34, Linux - Junior Polegato 
li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu:

 Em 11-08-2014 15:31, Rogerio R. Silva escreveu:

  Caros,
 Desculpe retomar esse assunto, mas quem está acessando o BB pelo
 iceweasel? Como vocês estão fazendo? Há uns três meses que o problema de
 acesso voltou. Guardei as mensagens antigas sobre o tema, mas não tenho
 achado a solução. Agradeço se tiverem novas dicas/sugestões.


 Olá!

 O grande lance das versões testing não ter a subdivisão de patch
 em major.minor.patch ainda causa todo o problema.

 Utilizando o setarch para configurar o kernel a fornecer
 2.6.52-1-686-pae resolve esse problema, veja que o meu caso é i686 e o
 seu é amd64.

 O que faço para o Gnome Shell executar direto é copiar o atalho do
 Iceweasel geral para o local, depois alterar o exec:

 $ cp -av /usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop
 ~/.local/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop
 “/usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop” - “/home/junior/.local/share/
 applications/iceweasel.desktop”

 $ sed -i 's/Exec=iceweasel %u/Exec=setarch i686 --uname-2.6 iceweasel %u/'
 ~/.local/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop

 Feito!


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Re: Solução definitiva para acessar o Banco do Brasil no Debian 7

2014-08-12 Thread Rogerio R. Silva

Caro Luiz,

Desculpe a demora para responder. Levou um tempo para acertar, mas também
usei sua dica. Obrigado.

Abraços,
Rogério


Em 11 de agosto de 2014 18:49, Luiz L. Marins luizlmarins...@gmail.com
escreveu:

 Rogério, tenta isto:


 https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=71DEA5FE230A32D4id=71DEA5FE230A32D4%2114944authkey=%21AFawOUBCT9t1rCU


 Em 11 de agosto de 2014 15:31, Rogerio R. Silva rogerioro...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Caros,

 Desculpe retomar esse assunto, mas quem está acessando o BB pelo
 iceweasel? Como vocês estão fazendo? Há uns três meses que o problema de
 acesso voltou. Guardei as mensagens antigas sobre o tema, mas não tenho
 achado a solução. Agradeço se tiverem novas dicas/sugestões.

 Informações sobre o sistema Debian mais abaixo.

 Abraços,

 Rogério

 ~$ lsb_release -a
 No LSB modules are available.
 Distributor ID:Debian
 Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie)
 Release:testing
 Codename:jessie

 ~$ uname -a
 Linux debian 3.14-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.12-1 (2014-07-11) x86_64
 GNU/Linux

 ~$ iceweasel -version
 Mozilla Iceweasel 31.0

 ~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
 #Lista gerada usando o Debian Source List Generator (Brazil, testing, 64
 bits, main, contrib, non-free, security e updates)
 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
 deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
 ## sugestao para instalação e atualização do Java da Oracle
 deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main
 deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main








 Em 25 de março de 2014 10:50, Éder S. G. (Jordan) 
 ederjor...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:

 Bom dia a todos os membros da lista de discussão debian
 user portuguese!

 Como vocês estão? Espero que estejam bem.

 Caros, acabei de ler e testar a dica de hoje de como acessar
 o Banco do Brasil via o navegador Iceweasel com o sistema
 operacional Debian GNU Linux versão 7 codinome Wheezy.

 Para testar, basta abrir um emulador de terminal e executar
 o seguinte comando:

  $ setarch x86_64 --uname-2.6 iceweasel 


 E, logo após, acessar o Banco do Brasil! :-)





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Re: apt-get não atualiza pacote

2014-08-12 Thread Vitor Hugo


applein@debian:~$ sudo check-support-status

Limited security support for one or more packages

Unfortunately, it has been necessary to limit security support for some
packages.

The following packages found on this system are affected by this:

* Source:webkit
  Details: No security support upstream and backports not feasible, 
only for use on trusted content

  Affected binary packages:
  - libwebkit-1.0-2 (installed version: 1.2.7-0+squeeze2)
  - libwebkit-1.0-common (installed version: 1.2.7-0+squeeze2)
applein@debian:~$

On 12-08-2014 09:47, Tiago Rocha wrote:

Tiago, a source.list não seria assim?

debhttp://http.debian.net/debian/  squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
Mais aqui: 
http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/extending-squeeze-security-support



Seria sim. Mas eu fiquei sem entender a razão da pergunta.

Abs,




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Re: apt-get não atualiza pacote

2014-08-12 Thread Vitor Hugo



applein@debian:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST 
Binary-1 20120930-15:55]/ squeeze main


#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST 
Binary-1 20120930-15:55]/ squeeze main


deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main

deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free

deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-fre

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main

# squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main
deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main
applein@debian:~$
applein@debian:~$
On 11-08-2014 21:07, henrique.mati...@gmail.com wrote:
Se voce utilizar o aptitude acho que vai atualizar. Tambem acontecia 
isso comigo ai abandonei o apt-get.


On August 11, 2014 5:23:53 PM GMT-03:00, Vitor Hugo 
vitorhug...@hotmail.com wrote:


Atingido http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/non-free i386 Packages
Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
Construindo árvore de dependências
Lendo informação de estado... Pronto
Os pacotes a seguir serão mantidos em suas versões atuais:
  python-reportbug reportbug
0 pacotes atualizados, 0 pacotes novos instalados, 0 a serem
removidos e 2 não atualizados.
applein@debian:~$


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Re: skype

2014-08-12 Thread Manoel Pedro de Araújo

Estava com este problema de conexão no skype. Desisntalei a versão
anterior, em seguida baixei a versão atual no site skype e instalei.
Consegui a gora conectar normalmente.


Em 12 de agosto de 2014 11:24, Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.com
escreveu:

 Caros,

 A recomendação que fiz acima (de instalar o pacote 'skype'  via
 gerenciador de pacotes, está EQUIVOCADA)

 Peço desculpas por isso.

 Realmente, conforme outros amigos mencionaram acima, o ideal no momento, é
 baixar o pacote disponível no website oficial do Skype.

 Att,


 Em 11 de agosto de 2014 08:18, Leandro de Lima Camargo 
 leandro...@icloud.com escreveu:

 Bom dia.
 Estou com o Debian Wheezy e só resolvi desinstalando e instalando
 novamente.
 Pelo menos pra mim, não deu certo atualizar.
 apt-get autoremove --purge skype
 dpkg -i *pacote-skype*


  Atenciosamente
 Leandro de Lima Camargo


 2014-08-11 8:14 GMT-03:00 Leandro de Lima Camargo 
 leandrobach...@gmail.com:

 Bom dia.
 Estou com o Debian Wheezy e só resolvi desinstalando e instalando
 novamente.
 Pelo menos pra mim, não deu certo atualizar.
 apt-get autoremove --purge skype
 dpkg -i *pacote-skype*


 Atenciosamente
 Leandro de Lima Camargo


 2014-08-10 23:00 GMT-03:00 G.Paulo linu...@terra.com.br:


 Microsoft disponibilizou nova versão do Skype. Se você usa o Debian
 Weezy, como eu, não adianta apt-get upgrade, porque a versão atual do
 respositório não é aceita mais pelo Skype. Se você usa o Debian testing,
 então, talvez 

 A solução definitiva é baixar a versao do site do Skype e intalá-la. O
 problema é que, se antes o Skype era caixa-preta, agora deve ser
 caixa-preta com olhos e ouvidos a serviço da Microsoft.
 Alguém precisa criar uma outra opção. Urgentemente.
 sds
 G.Paulo.


 On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:03:24 -0300
 Andre N Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 12:57:03PM +, jmhenri...@yahoo.com.br
  wrote:
   Atualize o skype.
  
   Enviado pelo meu aparelho BlackBerry®
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Cecilia Gonzalez ceciepr...@gmail.com
   Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:55:40
   To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
   Subject: skype
  
   Caros,alguem pode me ajudar?O meu skype sempre funcionou
   normalmente,e agora ,me pede senha e quando coloco diz,o skype não
   conseguiu conectar se. Ja tentei pesquisar na internet e ate
   troquei a senha mais nada,nem com a senha nova nem com a
   antiga,continua na mesma. Alguém sabe que esta acontecendo?
   Grata a vcs pela ajuda.
  
 
  Se a atualização não funcionar, o que eu sei é que recentemente houve
  uma grande thread sobre o skype na lista internacional. Não acompanhei
  porque não uso skype, mas dê uma olhada para ver se o seu problema se
  relaciona:
 
  Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7 -
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg00061.html


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Re: skype

2014-08-12 Thread Manoel Pedro de Araújo

Como devo fazer para apagar minhas conversas recentes no skype?


Em 9 de agosto de 2014 07:58, Paulo psc...@hotmail.com escreveu:

 Manoel,

 Explique melhor.
 Detalhe seu problema.
 O que quer fazer com as conversas do skype ?
 Já pesquisou no oráculo (google) ?

 Abraços,
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 Como devo fazer para minhas conversas recentes no skype?
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Re: New 64-bit Install: Wine

2014-08-12 Thread David Baron

On Monday 11 August 2014 08:36:23 The Wanderer wrote:
 On 08/11/2014 06:27 AM, David Baron wrote:
  I have no 64-bit .exe's. The few apps I need to run are all fairly
  old. Seems to be no way to run them.
  
  Wine64 complains about the .exe format. Placing win32:i386 on top of
  all this complains that the .wine is for a 64bit installation to
  wine32 will not work. Even if there is no such folder (I purged
  everything for latest try).
  
  There is apparently no win32:amd64 so the wine32:i386 and a load of
  
  :i386 libs will get installed. Multiarch is great but does not solve
  
  this particular problem.
 
 I don't have much experience with standalone 64-bit Wine, but my
 solution for 32-bit vs. 64-bit Wine is to build a combined version from
 upstream (git) source - largely because AFAIK Debian does not provide
 any way to get a combined-build Wine installed.
 
 Unfortunately, while, this used to be relatively straightforward in
 squeeze when we still had an ia32-libs-dev package, it's currently
 broken - and is likely to remain that way until multiarch extends to
 -dev packages, which at this point probably isn't expected to be
 completed (or even necessarily begun) for jessie.
 
 
 My install a newer version of Wine procedure is currently as follows:
 
 1. Update the Wine source.
 
 2. In a separate directory (wine64), run the following commands:
 $(winesrc)/configure --enable-win64
 make $(make_options)
 
 3. In a separate directory (wine32), run the following command:
 $(winesrc)/configure --with-wine64=$(wine64dir)
 
 4. Make note of the errors or this feature has been disabled reports
 from the configure run, check the configure log files, identify what
 -dev package(s) need to be installed in order to fix the problem, and
 install the :i386 versions of those packages. (This automatically
 removes the :amd64 versions of the same-dev packages.)
 
 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until the configure run is successful and all
 the features I want are detected and enabled.
 
 6. Run the following commands:
 make $(make_options)
 su -c 'make install'
 
 7. Back in the wine64 directory, run the following command:
 su -c 'make install'
 
 8. Reinstall all the packages (or at least the -dev packages) which got
 removed in step 4.
 
 
 Steps 4, 5 and 8 are highly manual and irritating, such that instead of
 updating Wine monthly, weekly or even daily, I generally update it maybe
 once every three to six months at best. (Building a patched version for
 testing purposes is pretty much off the table entirely.) However, this
 is still the best approach I've found for getting a version of Wine that
 can handle both 32-bit and 64-bit applications in the same install.
 
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While I have compiled wine  before, this is quite a bite!

How about a .deb, maybe on winehq?


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

On Lu, 11 aug 14, 18:47:40, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 
 IIRC, the base install (terminal only) installed the default video
 driver for my nVidia-based card -- nouveau.  That was before I did

There's a 'nouveau' kernel module and a 'nouveau' X driver, installed 
with package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.

 anything involving X.  After I had everything set up the way I wanted
 and working, several months later I installed the proprietary nVidia
 driver replacing nouveau.

Have you used X before that? If I'm curious enough I'll try to reproduce 
this in a chroot or virtual machine.

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Re: weired problem, systemd?

On Mi, 06 aug 14, 16:50:56, Hans wrote:
 Hello list,
 
 I am looking for some strange problem. Please let me describe:
 
 I installed pulseaudio, and everything worked fine, sound was running well, 
 everything could be configured with pavucontrol. So far so well. But, 
 after reboot, sound is gone, and no more devices are seen. 
 
 Restarting of pulseaudio via /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart did not work.

Would be interesting if you posted any and all messages you got when 
doing that, but it's also not supposed to work, since pulseaudio is not 
started as a system daemon.
 
 However: Doing dpkg-reconfigure pulseaudio let it work again.
 
 I do not think, it is a problem with pulseaudio, mybe with systemd? 
 
 The same problem occurs with another package - eeepc-acpi-scripts
 
 /etc/init.d/eeepc-acpi-scripts restart does not work, but dpkg-reconfigure 
 eeepc-acpi-scriptzs does.

Please post the full outputs of running:

/etc/init.d/script restart
service script restart
dpkg-reconfigure -phigh package

Please also mention which release you are running.

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Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:07:01 -0400
 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu
 wrote:
 2014-08-10 11:33 keltezéssel, Pascal Hambourg írta:

 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
 iptables -t nat -P ACCEPT
 iptables -t filter -P ACCEPT

 This is really a big sechole.

 This is one of these hopelessly unresolvable issues where some people
 believe that the correct config is to have policy DROP/REJECT and
 others believe that the correct config is to have a policy of ACCEPT
 and to have the final rule in the respective chains be DROP/REJECT..

 Why is it unresolvable? A DROP/REJECT policy is fail-safe, ACCEPT
 isn't. If the rest of the rules are correct, (and more importantly,
 guaranteed always to stay that way in the face of editing, sometimes
 rushed) an ACCEPT policy is redundant, and if they're not, it's
 dangerous. You will never *ever* want that ACCEPT policy rule to be
 traversed.

And you've proven my point...


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Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-12 Thread Joe

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:53:51 -0400
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:


 
 And you've proven my point...
 
 

Agreed, I just can't see why there is any controversy.

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Re: networking fails with temporary systemd (was auto starting of ppp has stopped working)

On Lu, 11 aug 14, 07:57:05, Rusi Mody wrote:
 
 If I start from grub using init=/bin/systemd it boots but networking
 does not work.

Please attach the file 'bootlog' after running:

journalctl -alb  bootlog

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Re: Irony

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Charles Kroeger
ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:50:01 +0200
 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from
 most Linux distros.

 Yes you're right, that's what makes Debian special, passion always trumps 
 money.

Are there any distros that have salaried developers other than SUSE,
RHEL, and Ubuntu?

Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this perspective.


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-12 Thread Brian

On Mon 11 Aug 2014 at 18:47:40 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:

 On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
  On Du, 10 aug 14, 17:30:20, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  
   III. INSTALL X
   
 A. Quick  Dirty, but bloated:  'apt-get install xorg'
 B. Lean  Mean:  'apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xinit'
  
  Are you sure about this? As far as I can tell this will not install
 
 For B? Yes. Basically, that's all I installed to get X running, but
 without a window manager, you couldn't do anything with it.  The window
 manager came next.

xserver-xorg-core and xinit are insufficient by themselves. To have
startx bring up X you need /usr/bin/X, which is in the xserver-xorg
package. But xserver-org depends on one of xserver-xorg-video-* and
one of xserver-xorg-input-* (I use xserver-xorg-input-evdev).

Even now we have not finished because xinit (used by startx) wants to
run an xterm by default. An x-terminal emulator is required and no WM
will pull it (or xserver-xorg-video-*, xserver-xorg-input-* and
xserver-xorg) in.

  any of the xserver-xorg-video- or xserver-xorg-input- packages. One
  would need at a minimum xserver-xorg-input-evdev and the -video-
  package corresponding to the video adapter (or one of -vesa or
  -fbdev, but these give poor performance).
 
 You might not believe it, but I basically had no problems with this
 step-by-step install, and the system just hums along quite nicely.
 Very snappy.  Very stable.  Never crashed.

Your notes are amongst the best I have seen on this topic of a minimal
desktop install. My objective has sometimes been a little different and
I've dispensed with the standard system utilities and got one or two of
its packages later.

Also, it can quite nice for users not to have type 'startx' and nodm
is a lightweight solution to that.


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Re: Debian Jessie Release

2014-08-12 Thread Sven Hartge

Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Du, 10 aug 14, 22:22:20, Sven Hartge wrote:
 
 All other were mostly misconfigrations which kinda worked before,
 because sysvinit was more forgiving or just papered over the error,
 for example unavailable volumes during boot without nofail or
 _netdev.

 It's also very unforgiving of wrong fstab entries (see #756103).

Right.

From a desktop users perspective, this behavior is quite astonishing.
More so if it has been working with sysvinit for the last umpteen years.

With my server admin hat on, I like this strictness. I _want_ a boot to
fail if not all filesystems are available. 

Maybe some configurable option is in order here, to allow the admin to
set the level of strictness he wants.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: Debian Jessie Release

2014-08-12 Thread Joe

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:07:36 +0200
Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote:

 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Du, 10 aug 14, 22:22:20, Sven Hartge wrote:
  
  All other were mostly misconfigrations which kinda worked before,
  because sysvinit was more forgiving or just papered over the error,
  for example unavailable volumes during boot without nofail or
  _netdev.
 
  It's also very unforgiving of wrong fstab entries (see #756103).
 
 Right.
 
 From a desktop users perspective, this behavior is quite astonishing.
 More so if it has been working with sysvinit for the last umpteen
 years.
 
 With my server admin hat on, I like this strictness. I _want_ a boot
 to fail if not all filesystems are available. 
 
All files required to *boot* must be available in / and/or /boot. I
believe it is not trivial to require an additional filesystem to be
available to grub2, hence the need to merge /usr into / at some point
for those who have them separate at the moment.

Additional filesystems may be mounted 'at boot', meaning automatically
when the computer is started rather than manually later, while not being
required for the boot process itself. I think the boot should not fail
if such filesystems are unavailable, but that suitable error messages
should be issued allowing the problems to be fixed. There seems to be a
bluetooth issue in sid at the moment, but this doesn't halt the boot
process, nor should it. I have a number of network filesystems mounted
'at boot', but I'd be very annoyed if a computer wouldn't boot because
of network issues. Clearly, network-mounted filesystems are not
considered essential for the boot process to complete, but local
filesystems which are not mounted on well-known *nix system directories
are.


 Maybe some configurable option is in order here, to allow the admin to
 set the level of strictness he wants.
 
I believe there is, though I have not yet tried to use it. The point is
that, going back two of your paragraphs, it is a *change*, and if
not manually corrected will therefore break existing systems on
upgrade. I would have preferred to see it done the other way around,
i.e. that unfamiliar mount points listed in fstab would need some sort
of 'abort the boot if this doesn't mount' flag to be added.

By the way, if the boot is aborted, it would be nice to have some sort
of shell access available. When this fstab issue bit me, there was no
control available at all other than the Big Red Switch. Even grub2
drops you into a rescue shell when it's unhappy, as I know well.

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Re: New 64-bit Install: Wine

2014-08-12 Thread Rob Owens

- Original Message -
 From: David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il
 
 I have no 64-bit .exe's. The few apps I need to run are all fairly old. Seems
 to be no way to run them.
 
 Wine64 complains about the .exe format. Placing win32:i386 on top of all this
 complains that the .wine is for a 64bit installation to wine32 will not work.
 Even if there is no such folder (I purged everything for latest try).
 

This is complaining about ~/.wine being a 64bit installation, at least that's 
what it did for me.  I moved my existing ~/.wine to ~/.wine.bak and was able to 
run 'wine Firefox\ Setup\ 31.0.exe' successfully.

-Rob


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Re: New 64-bit Install: Wine

2014-08-12 Thread David Baron

On Tuesday 12 August 2014 10:10:58 Rob Owens wrote:
 - Original Message -
 
  From: David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il
  
  I have no 64-bit .exe's. The few apps I need to run are all fairly old.
  Seems to be no way to run them.
  
  Wine64 complains about the .exe format. Placing win32:i386 on top of all
  this complains that the .wine is for a 64bit installation to wine32 will
  not work. Even if there is no such folder (I purged everything for latest
  try).
 This is complaining about ~/.wine being a 64bit installation, at least
 that's what it did for me.  I moved my existing ~/.wine to ~/.wine.bak and
 was able to run 'wine Firefox\ Setup\ 31.0.exe' successfully.

What wine packages do you have installed?


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Re: New 64-bit Install: Wine

2014-08-12 Thread Rob Owens

- Original Message -
 From: David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il

 On Tuesday 12 August 2014 10:10:58 Rob Owens wrote:
  - Original Message -

   From: David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il

   I have no 64-bit .exe's. The few apps I need to run are all fairly old.
   Seems to be no way to run them.

   Wine64 complains about the .exe format. Placing win32:i386 on top of all
   this complains that the .wine is for a 64bit installation to wine32 will
   not work. Even if there is no such folder (I purged everything for latest
   try).
  This is complaining about ~/.wine being a 64bit installation, at least
  that's what it did for me.  I moved my existing ~/.wine to ~/.wine.bak and
  was able to run 'wine Firefox\ Setup\ 31.0.exe' successfully.

 What wine packages do you have installed?

wine
wine64
wine32:i386

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Re: New 64-bit Install: Wine

2014-08-12 Thread David Baron

On Tuesday 12 August 2014 10:36:51 Rob Owens wrote:
 - Original Message -

  From: David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il

  On Tuesday 12 August 2014 10:10:58 Rob Owens wrote:
   - Original Message -

From: David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il

I have no 64-bit .exe's. The few apps I need to run are all fairly
old.
Seems to be no way to run them.

Wine64 complains about the .exe format. Placing win32:i386 on top of
all
this complains that the .wine is for a 64bit installation to wine32
will
not work. Even if there is no such folder (I purged everything for
latest
try).

   This is complaining about ~/.wine being a 64bit installation, at least
   that's what it did for me.  I moved my existing ~/.wine to ~/.wine.bak
   and
   was able to run 'wine Firefox\ Setup\ 31.0.exe' successfully.

  What wine packages do you have installed?

 wine
 wine64
 wine32:i386

Tried that. I do not know about the firefox setup but no .exe's I had around 
would take. I also go rid of the ~/.wine. Wine-cfg also barked.

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systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness

Debian sid

systemd currently fails to poweroff for me

XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.

The last message is:
A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me

Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
edge in an ascii wait for me animation.

Requires hard powercycle to poweroff.

How might I debug this?

TIA
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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 12.08.2014 16:50, schrieb Zenaan Harkness:
 Debian sid
 
 systemd currently fails to poweroff for me
 
 XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
 for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.
 
 The last message is:
 A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me
 
 Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
 edge in an ascii wait for me animation.
 

Have you waited at least 90 secs, which is the default timeout?


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Re: Setup a Nvidia multiseat

2014-08-12 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Floris wrote:
Op Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:29:50 +0200 schreef Hugo Vanwoerkom 
hvw59...@care2.com:




I forgot to ask: is systemd also necessary?

Hugo


you need loginctl, so the answer is yes, you need systemd
 success,



Right. I found your bug 711351.

Hugo

 That bug is already solved. systemd version 44-11 doesn't had 
multiseat support. Luckily Debian testing/ sid has version 208. Also 
you need xserver 1.16. This version added the MatchSeat option to 
the xorg.d config file.

 success,



I noticed you use gdm3. How would you do it with startx?


Hugo



If you don't run gdm3 and gnome 3, I would advise you to stick with the 
old-fashion-way. Because today only Gnome 3/ gdm3 works nicely with 
systemd. Maybe KDE/ kdm does, but I'm not sure. In the past I used this 
site
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg_multiseat to set up a 
multiseat manualy.


success,



'startx -- -seat seat0' works just great.

Hugo


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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Debian sid

systemd currently fails to poweroff for me

XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.

The last message is:
A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me

Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
edge in an ascii wait for me animation.

Requires hard powercycle to poweroff.

How might I debug this?



Right.  Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd.

Hugo


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-12 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Lu, 11 aug 14, 18:47:40, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  
  IIRC, the base install (terminal only) installed the default video
  driver for my nVidia-based card -- nouveau.  That was before I did
 
 There's a 'nouveau' kernel module and a 'nouveau' X driver, installed 
 with package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.

As I recall -- my notes aren't handy, I never specifically installed
ANY video drivers.  The installer must have taken care of it.

  anything involving X.  After I had everything set up the way I
  wanted and working, several months later I installed the
  proprietary nVidia driver replacing nouveau.
 
 Have you used X before that? If I'm curious enough I'll try to
 reproduce this in a chroot or virtual machine.

Do you mean during the install?  No.  Up until X and Openbox were
installed and configured, I installed everything from the terminal.
After the GUI was set up, I did the rest of the install from a virtual
terminal.

Do you mean since I've been using Linux?  Going on 15 years now.  Yes.
Of course.  But this is the first time I've done such a custom install
using a window manager only instead of a full desktop environment.

FYI:  The system boots to a login terminal, and once logged in, startx
is used to run X and Openbox.

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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Bzzzz

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:50:31 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:

 Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
 edge in an ascii wait for me animation.

You're a lucky guy: I don't have even one asterisk (only
a white underscore and a blinking cursor - on a laptop).

But I'm not that sure it is tied to systemd because
on my spare system (also sid, but the bare minimum
to troubleshoot main system, just in case…), the shutdown
works like a charm.

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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 12.08.2014 17:16, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom:

 Right.  Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd.

Well, yeah. halt is not supposed to power off your system.

But that is most likely not the issue Zenaan is having

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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-12 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Brian wrote:

 On Mon 11 Aug 2014 at 18:47:40 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 
  On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
  
   On Du, 10 aug 14, 17:30:20, Patrick Bartek wrote:
   
III. INSTALL X

A. Quick  Dirty, but bloated:  'apt-get install xorg'
B. Lean  Mean:  'apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
xinit'
   
   Are you sure about this? As far as I can tell this will not
   install
  
  For B? Yes. Basically, that's all I installed to get X running, but
  without a window manager, you couldn't do anything with it.  The
  window manager came next.
 
 xserver-xorg-core and xinit are insufficient by themselves. To have
 startx bring up X you need /usr/bin/X, which is in the xserver-xorg
 package. But xserver-org depends on one of xserver-xorg-video-* and
 one of xserver-xorg-input-* (I use xserver-xorg-input-evdev).

Maybe, I should clarify: when I say I installed xserver-xorg-core,
etc,, I don't mean I installed just THAT package.  I let apt-get
installed the dependencies, too; but not the recommends.  The latter I
did manually as needed.

 Even now we have not finished because xinit (used by startx) wants to
 run an xterm by default. An x-terminal emulator is required and no WM
 will pull it (or xserver-xorg-video-*, xserver-xorg-input-* and
 xserver-xorg) in.
 
   any of the xserver-xorg-video- or xserver-xorg-input- packages.
   One would need at a minimum xserver-xorg-input-evdev and the
   -video- package corresponding to the video adapter (or one of
   -vesa or -fbdev, but these give poor performance).
  
  You might not believe it, but I basically had no problems with this
  step-by-step install, and the system just hums along quite nicely.
  Very snappy.  Very stable.  Never crashed.
 
 Your notes are amongst the best I have seen on this topic of a minimal
 desktop install. My objective has sometimes been a little different
 and I've dispensed with the standard system utilities and got one or
 two of its packages later.

Thanks.  But what I posted is a mere outline of my install notes,
a synopsis. The actual notes themselves run the front and back of 4 or 5
8.5 x 11 inch pages in tiny handwritten print. They include the complete
process, everything that was installed, the order that it was
installed, and any problems and how they were rectified.

I've yet to transcribe them to a more readable form -- even my
printing is barely legible. ;-) The outline I posted here was done for
someone on this list last year who wanted to do the same thing I did,
but I sent it privately to him.

 Also, it can quite nice for users not to have type 'startx' and nodm
 is a lightweight solution to that.

I decide not to go that route as a safeguard.  If something went wrong
setting up X and the GUI, I could reboot and be at a working terminal
to fix it or try something else.  After everything was finished, I just
left it instead of booting directly to the GUI.  I don't reboot that
often. I just run the system 24/7 only turning off the monitor when
I'm finished for the day.  So, typing startx two or three times a year
is not inconvenient. ;-)

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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Darac Marjal

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:16:27AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 Debian sid
 
 systemd currently fails to poweroff for me
 
 XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
 for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.
 
 The last message is:
 A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me
 
 Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
 edge in an ascii wait for me animation.
 
 Requires hard powercycle to poweroff.
 
 How might I debug this?
 
 
 Right.  Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd.

That's a totally  different issue, though. With systemd  both 'halt' and
'poweroff' should run through the init sequence (stop all services, send
TERM to all processes, send KILL to all processes). 'halt' then stops at
this point - the  only thing left running is then  the kernel (there's a
certain pattern of work that involves  running a machine like this for a
firewall. All the rules are loaded  into the kernel and then the machine
is halted. The  kernel can still process packets happily,  but there are
no user space processes which can alter/interfere).

What Zenaan is talking about is systemd  asking a service to stop and it
taking too long to do so (perhaps it never will, perhaps it just needs a
long time)


 Hugo


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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Javier Barroso

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

 Debian sid

 systemd currently fails to poweroff for me

 XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
 for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.

 The last message is:
 A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me

 Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
 edge in an ascii wait for me animation.

 Requires hard powercycle to poweroff.

 How might I debug this?


 Right.  Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd.
I think this behaviour has changed from pre-systemd era.

At halt/poweroff/reboot manpage :
DESCRIPTION
   halt, poweroff, reboot may be used to halt, power-off or reboot the
   machine.

I think it should be better explain what is exactly halt and which is
the difference with poweroff

As I understand, power off is like you press the power button some seconds.
Halt (as current behaviour) is stop all process but pid 1

There is the -p switch to halt, or the --halt switch to poweroff,
so halt can power off the machine or power off can stop all process in
an ordered way

Regards,


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-12 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Sunday 10 August 2014 18:44:28 Steve Litt wrote:
 1) Make yourself a network install boot disk.

His Linux computer has no Internet connection.

Lisi


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-12 Thread Brian

On Tue 12 Aug 2014 at 09:15:59 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Brian wrote:
 
  xserver-xorg-core and xinit are insufficient by themselves. To have
  startx bring up X you need /usr/bin/X, which is in the xserver-xorg
  package. But xserver-org depends on one of xserver-xorg-video-* and
  one of xserver-xorg-input-* (I use xserver-xorg-input-evdev).
 
 Maybe, I should clarify: when I say I installed xserver-xorg-core,
 etc,, I don't mean I installed just THAT package.  I let apt-get
 installed the dependencies, too; but not the recommends.  The latter I
 did manually as needed.

The clarification is welcome but I had worked out that is what you did.
As it happens, xserver-xorg-core doesn't have any recommended packages
and xserver-org (and the other packages mentioned) really are needed for
a functional X.
 
  Your notes are amongst the best I have seen on this topic of a minimal
  desktop install. My objective has sometimes been a little different
  and I've dispensed with the standard system utilities and got one or
  two of its packages later.
 
 Thanks.  But what I posted is a mere outline of my install notes,
 a synopsis. The actual notes themselves run the front and back of 4 or 5
 8.5 x 11 inch pages in tiny handwritten print. They include the complete
 process, everything that was installed, the order that it was
 installed, and any problems and how they were rectified.
 
 I've yet to transcribe them to a more readable form -- even my
 printing is barely legible. ;-) The outline I posted here was done for
 someone on this list last year who wanted to do the same thing I did,
 but I sent it privately to him.

It's a good synopsis then. I hope what Andrei picked up on and what I
criticised leads you to improve on it.

  Also, it can quite nice for users not to have type 'startx' and nodm
  is a lightweight solution to that.
 
 I decide not to go that route as a safeguard.  If something went wrong
 setting up X and the GUI, I could reboot and be at a working terminal
 to fix it or try something else.  After everything was finished, I just
 left it instead of booting directly to the GUI.  I don't reboot that
 often. I just run the system 24/7 only turning off the monitor when
 I'm finished for the day.  So, typing startx two or three times a year
 is not inconvenient. ;-)

My users were expecting a 400 GBP SMART TV. They got a thin client with
a mini keyboard and a bash script using dialog. Having them not type
'startx' every time it was switched on was a concession. Why go looking
for trouble? Must keep the troops happy. :)

(Sometimes a technical solution to a social problem works).


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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Dienstag, 12. August 2014, 17:48:10 schrieb Michael Biebl:
 Am 12.08.2014 17:16, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom:
  Right.  Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd.
 
 Well, yeah. halt is not supposed to power off your system.

Interestingly in the last ten years I have used halt exactly to power off a 
machine, when not using a desktop mechanism.

On all systems with working ACPI I tried this on it did so. On those where 
ACPI is broken, it sometimes did not power off the machine.

merkaba:~ ls -l /sbin/halt
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18776 Aug  3 21:01 /sbin/halt
merkaba:~ ls -l /sbin/poweroff 
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug  3 21:01 /sbin/poweroff - halt

So it differentiates behavior on command name?

The manpage for halt is more than unclear on the exact semantics.

I´d prefer clear commands with clear definitions of their behavior instead of 
guess work – will it call shutdown? or not.

I like System Commands in systemctl manpage regarding this. Yet also this is 
just saying halt or power off. But if the english meaning of the words give 
exact this difference, so well. In my understanding there never was much of a 
difference between halt and poweroff.

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Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:53:51 -0400
 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 And you've proven my point...

 Agreed, I just can't see why there is any controversy.

You misunderstand. The fact that you can't accept that there may be
others who have good reason (whatever it may be; I don't care) to
consider that having ACCEPT as a policy is the proof that this is as
controversial and contentious as vi/emacs, postfix/sendmail/exim, etc.


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Re: Debian Jessie Release

On Ma, 12 aug 14, 14:31:29, Joe wrote:
  
 I believe there is, though I have not yet tried to use it. The point is
 that, going back two of your paragraphs, it is a *change*, and if
 not manually corrected will therefore break existing systems on
 upgrade. I would have preferred to see it done the other way around,
 i.e. that unfamiliar mount points listed in fstab would need some sort
 of 'abort the boot if this doesn't mount' flag to be added.
 
See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756103#35

 By the way, if the boot is aborted, it would be nice to have some sort
 of shell access available. When this fstab issue bit me, there was no
 control available at all other than the Big Red Switch. Even grub2
 drops you into a rescue shell when it's unhappy, as I know well.

That's probably one of #755581 or #751624.

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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:

 Debian sid

 systemd currently fails to poweroff for me

 XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
 for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.

 The last message is:
 A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me

 Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
 edge in an ascii wait for me animation.

 Requires hard powercycle to poweroff.

 How might I debug this?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/07/msg01108.html

I've been assuming that the Debian maintainers had backported the fix
to (1) in the link above, but perhaps not. I haven't experienced this
though and you seem to be the first to report this on the list in
spite of many seemingly using systemd in testing and unstable,
willingly or not.


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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Paul E Condon

I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed
use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a
bug in the script that fails to evaluate the variable USER and
therefore fails to print the name of the user (aka. owner) of the
stopped job in Session 2.

Did OP attempted to connect to Session 2 and terminate the job there?

Does the message really keep the system from executing poweroff? Or,
does it just introduce a delay long enough for the user who is
requesting the poweroff to reconsider and abort his request?

What did the OP actually do that he hoped would cause a poweroff?
i.e. what did he type? or button did he click?

In a better formulated message, there should be a comma ',' between
'user' and '$USER'. Thus if the USER of Session 2 is Joe, the message
should read (adding a full stop at the end):

A stopped job is running for Session 2 of user, Joe.

But even this is poorly worded. A job that is both running, and
stopped is a goofy idea, as well as somewhat verbose. Maybe it should
be:

A stopped job exists for Session 2 of user, Joe.

I'm assuming that it is OK to assume that the user who did whatever made
his computer spit out this message understands what a stopped job is, but
I'm unaware of any Debian manual of style for error messages as newspapers
have manuals of style for news item they print. Is there one? If so, it
should give advice on the use of 'for' and 'of' in this context.

OTOH, maybe I misunderstand the situation.

HTH

On 20140812_1804+0200, Javier Barroso wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Debian sid

systemd currently fails to poweroff for me

XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows
for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears.

The last message is:
A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me

Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left
edge in an ascii wait for me animation.

Requires hard powercycle to poweroff.

How might I debug this?

Right. Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd.
I think this behaviour has changed from pre-systemd era.

At halt/poweroff/reboot manpage :
DESCRIPTION
halt, poweroff, reboot may be used to halt, power-off or reboot the
machine.

I think it should be better explain what is exactly halt and which is
the difference with poweroff

As I understand, power off is like you press the power button some seconds.
Halt (as current behaviour) is stop all process but pid 1

There is the -p switch to halt, or the --halt switch to poweroff,
so halt can power off the machine or power off can stop all process in
an ordered way

Regards,

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Re: dd

2014-08-12 Thread Martin Smith


On 11/08/2014 12:16, Stephen Powell wrote:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 01:15:31 -0400 (EDT), Reco wrote:

While dd can be used to copy a directory, it cannot be used alone for
this task. Try this:

...

cp -a /var/www/* /media/lin50

This may work if there are no hidden files in the directory (files whose
names begin with a period), and if there are no files with embedded blanks
in their names, etc.  But as a more general approach, I suggest

cp -a /var/www/. /media/lin50

The above handles all of the aforementioned special cases.  This copies
the entire directory tree below /var/www, including subdirectories, which
I assume is the OP's intent.


pax will do the job, but you will need to install it:

cd /var/www
pax -rw . /media/lin50

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calendar world cup (portuguese) and others

2014-08-12 Thread Beco

Hi guys,

Last semester I made some calendars.

Specially a brazilian one, that is not current on the system.

I wonder, to whom should I send them, to ask Debian to keep them in the
next version?

Thanks!
Beco.

PS. Bellow a teaser. If you like, please save as a plain text file under
the directory cited:


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/*
 * World Cup 2014
 * Prepared by Ruben Carlo Benante [ rcb at beco dot cc ]
 */

#ifndef _calendar_copa2014_
#define _calendar_copa2014_

LANG=utf-8

12 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo A, Brasil 3 x 1 Croácia (SP)
13 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo A, México 1 x 0 Camarões (RN)
13 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo B, Espanha 1 x 5 Holanda (BA)
13 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo B, Chile 3 x 1 Austrália (MT)
14 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo C, Colômbia 3 x 0 Grécia (MG)
14 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo C, Costa do Marfim 2 x 1 Japão (PE)
14 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo D, Uruguai 1 x 3 Costa Rica (CE)
14 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo D, Inglaterra 1 x 2 Itália (AM)
15 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo E, Suíça 2 x 1 Equador (DF)
15 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo E, França 3 x 0 Honduras (RS)
15 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo F, Argentina 2 x 1 Bósnia e Herzegovina
(RJ)
16 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo F, Irã 0 x 0 Nigéria (PR)
16 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo G, Alemanha 4 x 0 Portugal (BA)
16 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo G, Gana 1 x 2 EUA (RN)
17 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo H, Bélgica 2 x 1 Argélia (MG)
17 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo H, Rússia 1 x 1 Coréia do Sul (MT)
17 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo A, Brasil 0 x 0 México (CE)
18 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo A, Camarões 0 x 4 Croácia (AM)
18 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo B, Espanha 0 x 2 Chile (RJ)
18 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo B, Austrália 2 x 3 Holanda (RS)
19 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo C, Colômbia 2 x 1 Costa do Marfim (DF)
19 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo C, Japão 0 x 0 Grécia (RN)
19 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo D, Uruguai 2 x 1 Inglaterra (SP)
20 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo D, Itália 0 x 1 Costa Rica (PE)
20 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo E, Suíça 2 x 5 França (BA)
20 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo E, Honduras 1 x 2 Equador (PR)
21 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo F, Argentina 1 x 0 Irã (MG)
21 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo F, Nigéria 1 x 0 Bósnia e Herzegovina (MT)
21 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo G, Alemanha 2 x 2 Gana (CE)
22 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo G, EUA 2 x 2 Portugal (AM)
22 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo H, Bélgica 1 x 0 Rússia (RJ)
22 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo H, Coréia do Sul 2 x 4 Argélia (RS)
23 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo A, Camarões 1 x 4 Brasil (DF)
23 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo A, Croácia 1 x 3 México (PE)
23 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo B, Austrália 0 x 3 Espanha (PR)
23 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo B, Holanda 2 x 0 Chile (SP)
24 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo C, Japão 1 x 4 Colômbia (MT)
24 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo C, Grécia 2 x 1 Costa do Marfim (CE)
24 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo D, Itália 0 x 1 Uruguai (RN)
24 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo D, Costa Rica 0 x 0 Inglaterra (MG)
25 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo E, Honduras 0 x 3 Suíça (AM)
25 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo E, Equador 0 x 0 França (RJ)
25 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo F, Nigéria 2 x 3 Argentina (RS)
25 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo F, Bósnia e Herzegovina 3 x 1 Irã (BA)
26 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo G, EUA 0 x 1 Alemanha (PE)
26 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo G, Portugal 2 x 1 Gana (DF)
26 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo H, Coréia do Sul 0 x 1 Bélgica (SP)
26 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Grupo H, Argélia 1 x 1 Rússia (PR)
28 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Brasil 1(3) x 1(2) Chile (MG)
28 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Colombia 2 x 0 Uruguai (RJ)
29 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Holanda 2 x 1 México (CE)
29 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Costa Rica 1(5) x 1(3) Grécia (PE)
30 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, França 2 x 0 Nigéria (DF)
30 Jun  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Alemanha 1 x 0 Argélia (RS)
01 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Argentina 1 x 0 Suíça (SP)
01 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Oitavas, Bélgica 2 x 1 EUA (BA)
04 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Quartas, Brasil 2 x 1 Colômbia (CE)
04 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Quartas, França 0 x 1 Alemanha (RJ)
05 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Quartas, Holanda 0(4) x 0(3) Costa Rica (BA)
05 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Quartas, Argentina 1 x 0 Bélgica (DF)
08 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Semi-final, Brasil 1 x 7 Alemanha (MG)
09 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Semi-final, Holanda 0(2) x 0(4) Argentina (SP)
12 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Terceiro lugar, Brasil x Holanda (DF)
13 Jul  Copa do Mundo 2014, Final, Alemanha x Argentina (RJ)

#endif /* !_calendar_copa2014_ */


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Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-12 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy

2014-08-10 22:30 keltezéssel, Joe írta:
 Why is it unresolvable? A DROP/REJECT policy is fail-safe, ACCEPT
 isn't. If the rest of the rules are correct, (and more importantly,
 guaranteed always to stay that way in the face of editing, sometimes
 rushed) an ACCEPT policy is redundant, and if they're not, it's
 dangerous. You will never *ever* want that ACCEPT policy rule to be
 traversed.
 
 But it greatly simplifies matters during a short go-nogo test, during
 which the probability of an attack is quite small. And here's another
 reason that the Internet connection should be farmed out to a dedicated
 device containing at least a simple stateful packet filter, so that
 experimentation with the main firewall carries little risk.
 
Yes, it can work as a short go-nogo test. But the suggestion was not
mentioned it, that it is only for that. And it is very likely that when
the OP tries this and it 'works' (I mean the Windows machine behind the
Linux works well), then the rules will remain. And - as the Linux server
can have a lot of services - it will leave a lot of secholes to the world.

So I wouldn't suggest such situation, in my opinion the minimum policy
should be still safe (at least a bit). So default policy for nat and
mangle can be ACCEPT without too much risk, but on filter table set
ACCEPT to OUTPUT chain and set DROP for INPUT and FORWARD and
explicitely allow what you want. This should be the minimum security
level for a home firewall.

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Re: Debian Jessie Release

2014-08-12 Thread Joe

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:14:48 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Ma, 12 aug 14, 14:31:29, Joe wrote:
   
  I believe there is, though I have not yet tried to use it. The
  point is that, going back two of your paragraphs, it is a *change*,
  and if not manually corrected will therefore break existing systems
  on upgrade. I would have preferred to see it done the other way
  around, i.e. that unfamiliar mount points listed in fstab would
  need some sort of 'abort the boot if this doesn't mount' flag to be
  added.
  
 See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756103#35
 
  By the way, if the boot is aborted, it would be nice to have some
  sort of shell access available. When this fstab issue bit me, there
  was no control available at all other than the Big Red Switch. Even
  grub2 drops you into a rescue shell when it's unhappy, as I know
  well.
 
 That's probably one of #755581 or #751624.
 

Yes, I'm sure it's not intended behaviour. But there's only so much
point in trying to fix sid at the moment. Is there a word for 'beyond
unstable'? I've installed apt-cacher-ng on my server to try to keep
the downloads within some sort of reason. I have five sids, and they're
all hungry, all the time...

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