Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:00:58 +0100
Joe  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:11:06 +0100
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because
> > everything will immediately update willy-nilly and out of your
> > control, all at once, to Stretch (which will be the new testing).
> > 
> > I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would
> > wait at least a month!  
> > 
> 
> However long the wait, the result will be the same. In fact, the
> longer the wait, the more upgrades there will be in one go. Once the
> floodgates open into the new Testing, there will be a similar upheaval
> here in Sid, as software which has been kept back because it won't be
> compatible with the initial new Testing (which has to be smoothly
> upgraded from the present Testing) will then be dumped into Sid and
> pushed into Testing as soon as the magic two weeks have passed without
> complete disaster. Interesting times everywhere, except hopefully in
> the new Stable.
> 
> This upgrade of old Testing to new Testing is the first real-world
> preview of the *next* Stable upgrade, or at least some of it. I'm sure
> a lot of thought has gone into preparing for it.

I'm interested in installing either Stretch or Sid in a VM and help to
find bugs - where is the effort best spent? Stretch, since it will
become the next Stable?

Petter

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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:50:13 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Thursday 16 April 2015 16:01:31 David Christensen wrote:
> > Do you know if the laptop or the desktop machine can use a USB flash
> > drive as the system drive?  My 945 chipset and newer machines can do
> > this.  It is one of the best cheap Linux tricks I've ever
> > discovered. 
> 
> With limited life of the flash, linux filesystems are hell on flash.

Not any longer :) There are now Linux filesystems specifically for
flash memory - F2FS, for instance. ext4 isn't as bad on flash, either,
with the right mount options, and btrfs (if you dare use it) has
optimizations for it. I think wikipedia has more on those - there are
others.

It's a good option for installations, or a system drive that you can
boot in an emergency. They are also cheap enough that you can use them
as a system drive on a box altogether, and just replace it before/when
it goes bad.

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Re: Jessie: No VGA signal after gdm3 login

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:10:11PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 04:22:24PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:50:45 +0200
> > Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:42:03 -0400
> > > "Thomas H. George"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Just returned from vacation, booted up.
> > > > 
> > > > After gdm3 login screen goes blank, then No VGA Signal
> > > > Installed xdm. Same result
> > > > Ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
> > > > Repeated xdm login. Same result
> > > > 
> > > > Before vacation login opened Gnome and I ran several programs with
> > > > no problems.
> > > > 
> > > > Even now consoles F1 through F6 work normally and I can run command
> > > > line programs.
> > > > 
> > > > What could have happened? Found nothing about this in April
> > > > lists.debian.org archives.
> > > 
> > > Can you tell us what is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors?
> > > 
> > > I can't tell you what might have happened, though, at least not
> > > without starting with the contents of those two files.
> > > 
> > > Petter
> > > 
> > 
> > You really should send your reply to the list, not to me personally, so
> > that more people can see it, and potentially help you.
> > 
> I agree and this reply is to the list.  I only replied directly to you
> because last week I received a sharp rebuke from an individual who had
> responded to one of my posts. He claimed it is very bad manners to post
> his responce - it was a very helpful one which I acknowledged - to the
> list when he had responded from his personal address.

You could have explained to him that it is very bad manners to keep
helpful information private.

> What is the protocol? In reponding should I hit r or L? Obviously a 
> continuing string of discussion posted
> to the list should be advantageous to all.

PLEASE trim your posts! 

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[David Wright]

Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):
> On 17/04/2015, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> > On 2015-04-16, Bret Busby  wrote:
> >> On 17/04/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>> Have you tried "catalyst" for the AMD setup?? Under AMD Mobility
> >>> Product Family your 6000 series is listed.
> >>> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> I assume something bad is in the source code of that web page (it is
> >> aspx, so, proprietary MS stuff), but, with two web browsers - Arora
> >> and rekonq, running on Debian 6, I can only see a bit at the op of the
> >> web page - no scroll bar or any way to get to the important stuff
> >> lower down on the web page.
> >>
> >> Publishing a web page about Linux stuff, in MS only format, is a bit
> >> weird.
> >>
> >> It is kind of like the manuafacturer (AMD) wants to hide its Linux
> >> stuff, from Linux users.
> >
> > It is nothing of the sort. The site Works fine in iceweasel on jessie.
> > It should work on wheezy, which has the same version of iceweasel, too.
> >
> > Any browser you run in squeeze was EOL'ed years ago, from a security
> > perspective if nothing else.
> >
> 
> 
> What it comes down to, has nothing to do with the version number of Debian.

I don't think that was Liam's point. You said you were running a
squeeze browser, 21 lines above and again 6 lines below this one.
That would be a security risk were it not LTS.

> What it came down to, is, the web page bien aspx shite, it requires
> javascript (javashite).
> 
> I installed a 12.x version of opera (from my Debian 6 desktop system),
> on this (Debian 7, running on the Acer E5-521-238Q) system,  and left
> javascript enabled, and the web page works.
> 
> In going to the Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit option, as such packages are
> usually .deb packages, and so, tend to work on Debian (which is how I
> got Seamonkey installed and working on this system, from an old
> version of Seamonkey.deb, that I had obtained), I downloaded and tried
> to install the package.

I'm not sure I can tell what package you mean here.

> I got a dependency problem;
> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: fglrx-core"
> 
> So, I seached in Synaptic, for fglrx, and found
> 
> fglrx-driver;

But that isn't fglrx-core is it? Don't you need something like
fglrx-core_14.201-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb

> "
> non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver
> 
> FGLRX / AMD Catalyst is the non-free proprietary display driver for the
> ATI/AMD RadeonHD and FireGL graphics cards. As an alternative, you may try
> the newest free driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon.
> 
> This driver release supports the following graphics adapter families:
> AMD Radeon HD 7000, AMD Radeon HD 6000, and AMD Radeon HD 5000.
> "
> 
> So, I searched within Synaptic, for xserver-xorg-video-radeon .
> 
> I found that xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon, are
> already installed.

I take it that's on your wheezy system.

> The first has, in its package description;
> 
> "
> X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper
> 
> This package provides the 'ati' driver for the AMD/ATI Mach64, Rage128,
> Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream series. This driver is
> actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128' or 'radeon'
> sub-drivers depending on the hardware.
> These sub-drivers are brought through package dependencies.
> 
> Users of Rage, Mach, or Radeon boards may remove this package only if
> they use Driver "r128", "mach64", or "radeon" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> instead of relying on autodetection.
> "
> 
> and, for the secomd;
> 
> "
> X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
> 
> This package provides the 'radeon' driver for the AMD/ATI cards. The
> following chips should be supported: R100, RV100, RS100, RV200, RS200,
> RS250, R200, RV250, RV280, RS300, RS350, RS400/RS480, R300, R350, R360,
> RV350, RV360, RV370, RV380, RV410, R420, R423/R430, R480/R481,
> RV505/RV515/RV516/RV550, R520, RV530/RV560, RV570/R580,
> RS600/RS690/RS740, R600, RV610/RV630, RV620/RV635, RV670, RS780/RS880,
> RV710/RV730, RV740/RV770/RV790, CEDAR, REDWOOD, JUNIPER, CYPRESS,
> HEMLOCK, PALM, SUMO/SUMO2, BARTS, TURKS, CAICOS, CAYMAN, ARUBA.
> "
> 
> So, for Debian 7, two driver packages for AMD/ATI Radeon video things,
> were already installed, but, they, apparently, do not cover the
> applicable video controller.

But we were expecting that weren't we? I thought the problem was that
you have this nice new hardware.

> And, the manufacturer's driver, apparently, can not be installed, due to
> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: fglrx-core"
> 
> The Synaptic list of packages, returned in searching for fglrx, does
> not include the unsatisfiable dependency package; fglrx-core.

I don't know what synaptic is. Are you searching the Debian wheezy
archives? Might it be worth trying with jessie (I can't remember if
you said you'd tried this).

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:07:54 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 17/04/2015, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> > On 2015-04-16, Bret Busby  wrote:
> >> On 17/04/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>> Have you tried "catalyst" for the AMD setup?? Under AMD Mobility
> >>> Product Family your 6000 series is listed.
> >>> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> I assume something bad is in the source code of that web page (it
> >> is aspx, so, proprietary MS stuff), but, with two web browsers -
> >> Arora and rekonq, running on Debian 6, I can only see a bit at the
> >> op of the web page - no scroll bar or any way to get to the
> >> important stuff lower down on the web page.
> >>
> >> Publishing a web page about Linux stuff, in MS only format, is a
> >> bit weird.
> >>
> >> It is kind of like the manuafacturer (AMD) wants to hide its Linux
> >> stuff, from Linux users.
> >
> > It is nothing of the sort. The site Works fine in iceweasel on
> > jessie. It should work on wheezy, which has the same version of
> > iceweasel, too.
> >
> > Any browser you run in squeeze was EOL'ed years ago, from a security
> > perspective if nothing else.
> >
> 
> 
> What it comes down to, has nothing to do with the version number of
> Debian.
> 
> What it came down to, is, the web page bien aspx shite, it requires
> javascript (javashite).
> 
> I installed a 12.x version of opera (from my Debian 6 desktop system),
> on this (Debian 7, running on the Acer E5-521-238Q) system,  and left
> javascript enabled, and the web page works.
> 
> In going to the Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit option, as such packages are
> usually .deb packages, and so, tend to work on Debian (which is how I
> got Seamonkey installed and working on this system, from an old
> version of Seamonkey.deb, that I had obtained), I downloaded and tried
> to install the package.
> 
> I got a dependency problem;
> "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: fglrx-core"
> 
> So, I seached in Synaptic, for fglrx, and found
> 
> fglrx-driver;
> 
> "
> non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver
> 
> FGLRX / AMD Catalyst is the non-free proprietary display driver for
> the ATI/AMD RadeonHD and FireGL graphics cards. As an alternative,
> you may try the newest free driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon.
> 
> This driver release supports the following graphics adapter families:
> AMD Radeon HD 7000, AMD Radeon HD 6000, and AMD Radeon HD 5000.
> "
> 
> So, I searched within Synaptic, for xserver-xorg-video-radeon .
> 
> I found that xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon, are
> already installed.
> 
> The first has, in its package description;
> 
> "
> X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper
> 
> This package provides the 'ati' driver for the AMD/ATI Mach64,
> Rage128, Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream series. This
> driver is actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128'
> or 'radeon' sub-drivers depending on the hardware.
> These sub-drivers are brought through package dependencies.
> 
> Users of Rage, Mach, or Radeon boards may remove this package only if
> they use Driver "r128", "mach64", or "radeon" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> instead of relying on autodetection.
> "
> 
> and, for the secomd;
> 
> "
> X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
> 
> This package provides the 'radeon' driver for the AMD/ATI cards. The
> following chips should be supported: R100, RV100, RS100, RV200, RS200,
> RS250, R200, RV250, RV280, RS300, RS350, RS400/RS480, R300, R350,
> R360, RV350, RV360, RV370, RV380, RV410, R420, R423/R430, R480/R481,
> RV505/RV515/RV516/RV550, R520, RV530/RV560, RV570/R580,
> RS600/RS690/RS740, R600, RV610/RV630, RV620/RV635, RV670, RS780/RS880,
> RV710/RV730, RV740/RV770/RV790, CEDAR, REDWOOD, JUNIPER, CYPRESS,
> HEMLOCK, PALM, SUMO/SUMO2, BARTS, TURKS, CAICOS, CAYMAN, ARUBA.
> "
> 
> So, for Debian 7, two driver packages for AMD/ATI Radeon video things,
> were already installed, but, they, apparently, do not cover the
> applicable video controller.
> 
> And, the manufacturer's driver, apparently, can not be installed, due
> to "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: fglrx-core"
> 
> The Synaptic list of packages, returned in searching for fglrx, does
> not include the unsatisfiable dependency package; fglrx-core.
> 

From what I can remember, the AMD web page lists more than one package,
and you need at least two or three of them, depending on whether you
want the graphical setup utility ("AMD Catalyst Control Center" or
something like that). That's why the dependency fails.

Download the correct packages, and install them in the right order.
There should be install instructions linked from that download page.

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 17/04/2015, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> On 2015-04-16, Bret Busby  wrote:
>> On 17/04/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
>>> Have you tried "catalyst" for the AMD setup?? Under AMD Mobility
>>> Product Family your 6000 series is listed.
>>> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx
>>>
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I assume something bad is in the source code of that web page (it is
>> aspx, so, proprietary MS stuff), but, with two web browsers - Arora
>> and rekonq, running on Debian 6, I can only see a bit at the op of the
>> web page - no scroll bar or any way to get to the important stuff
>> lower down on the web page.
>>
>> Publishing a web page about Linux stuff, in MS only format, is a bit
>> weird.
>>
>> It is kind of like the manuafacturer (AMD) wants to hide its Linux
>> stuff, from Linux users.
>
> It is nothing of the sort. The site Works fine in iceweasel on jessie.
> It should work on wheezy, which has the same version of iceweasel, too.
>
> Any browser you run in squeeze was EOL'ed years ago, from a security
> perspective if nothing else.
>


What it comes down to, has nothing to do with the version number of Debian.

What it came down to, is, the web page bien aspx shite, it requires
javascript (javashite).

I installed a 12.x version of opera (from my Debian 6 desktop system),
on this (Debian 7, running on the Acer E5-521-238Q) system,  and left
javascript enabled, and the web page works.

In going to the Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit option, as such packages are
usually .deb packages, and so, tend to work on Debian (which is how I
got Seamonkey installed and working on this system, from an old
version of Seamonkey.deb, that I had obtained), I downloaded and tried
to install the package.

I got a dependency problem;
"Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: fglrx-core"

So, I seached in Synaptic, for fglrx, and found

fglrx-driver;

"
non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver

FGLRX / AMD Catalyst is the non-free proprietary display driver for the
ATI/AMD RadeonHD and FireGL graphics cards. As an alternative, you may try
the newest free driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon.

This driver release supports the following graphics adapter families:
AMD Radeon HD 7000, AMD Radeon HD 6000, and AMD Radeon HD 5000.
"

So, I searched within Synaptic, for xserver-xorg-video-radeon .

I found that xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon, are
already installed.

The first has, in its package description;

"
X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper

This package provides the 'ati' driver for the AMD/ATI Mach64, Rage128,
Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream series. This driver is
actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128' or 'radeon'
sub-drivers depending on the hardware.
These sub-drivers are brought through package dependencies.

Users of Rage, Mach, or Radeon boards may remove this package only if
they use Driver "r128", "mach64", or "radeon" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
instead of relying on autodetection.
"

and, for the secomd;

"
X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver

This package provides the 'radeon' driver for the AMD/ATI cards. The
following chips should be supported: R100, RV100, RS100, RV200, RS200,
RS250, R200, RV250, RV280, RS300, RS350, RS400/RS480, R300, R350, R360,
RV350, RV360, RV370, RV380, RV410, R420, R423/R430, R480/R481,
RV505/RV515/RV516/RV550, R520, RV530/RV560, RV570/R580,
RS600/RS690/RS740, R600, RV610/RV630, RV620/RV635, RV670, RS780/RS880,
RV710/RV730, RV740/RV770/RV790, CEDAR, REDWOOD, JUNIPER, CYPRESS,
HEMLOCK, PALM, SUMO/SUMO2, BARTS, TURKS, CAICOS, CAYMAN, ARUBA.
"

So, for Debian 7, two driver packages for AMD/ATI Radeon video things,
were already installed, but, they, apparently, do not cover the
applicable video controller.

And, the manufacturer's driver, apparently, can not be installed, due to
"Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: fglrx-core"

The Synaptic list of packages, returned in searching for fglrx, does
not include the unsatisfiable dependency package; fglrx-core.

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 17/04/2015, Liam O'Toole  wrote:



> Any browser you run in squeeze was EOL'ed years ago, from a security
> perspective if nothing else.
>


So, are you claiming that the LTS of Debian 6 LTS, is imaginary, and
does not exist?


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Re: javaws

[lina]

Just notice

/etc/alternatives/javaws -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/javaws


change to 7 works.

Thanks,


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Fwd: javaws

[lina]

Shall send to the list, sorry

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From: lina 
Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: javaws
To: Liam O'Toole 


Yeah,

Error: The application has requested a version of the JRE (version
1.7+) that currently is not locally installed. Java Web Start is
unable to automatically download and install the requested version.

$ dpkg --get-selections | grep jre
default-jreinstall
default-jre-headlessinstall
gcj-4.9-jre-libinstall
icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64install
openjdk-6-jre:amd64install
openjdk-6-jre-headless:amd64install
openjdk-6-jre-libinstall
openjdk-7-jre:amd64install
openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64install
openjdk-8-jre:amd64install
openjdk-8-jre-headless:amd64install
sun-java6-jreinstall

$ dpkg --get-selections | grep icedt
icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64install
icedtea-7-plugin:amd64install
icedtea-netx:amd64install
icedtea-netx-commoninstall



I think I need to tune the
default-jre   and something else related, seems the default icedtea using jre6,

Thanks, and if you have any further suggestion, just let me know.

Best,

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> On 2015-04-16, lina  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The problem raised when I tried to "Launch Jalview Desktop" in the
>> following website:
>>
>> http://www.jalview.org/Help
>>
>> at the top, right corner, there is "Launch Jalview Desktop".
>>
>> It worked very well in the past.  But today it is just not work as
>> expected.
>>
>> I tried the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaws, it
>> showed me that Requesting JRE 1.7+.
>>
>>
>> I installed openjdk-8-jre from sid, but it didn't contain the javaws.
>
> The javaws executable is provided by the icedtea-netx package.
>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions, thanks.
>>
>
> Try running javaws directly on the linked resource at the command line,
> i.e.,
>
> javaws http://www.jalview.org/webstart/jalview.jnlp
>
> Do you see any error messages?
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: Encrypting an External HDD

[Celejar]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 08:30:04 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:

...

> /dev/random is for cryptographically secure random numbers, such as for 
> cryptographic keys.  It requires a source of entropy to operate, and 
> will block until entropy is available.  Thus, on most desktop computers, 
> it is only suitable for small amounts of random numbers.

...

> /dev/urandom is for non-cryptographic/ low-security random numbers, such 
> as for games.  It will use entropy as available, otherwise it will 
> mathematically generate pseudo-random numbers.  It does not block and 
> can generate large amounts of random data quickly, but is vulnerable to 
> attack.

I don't think it's quite this simple:

1) OpenSSl thinks /dev/urandom is good enough for crypto:
https://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#USER1

2) Perl's Math::Random::Secure also thinks it's generally good enough:
http://search.cpan.org/~mkanat/Math-Random-Secure-0.06/lib/Math/Random/Secure.pm#Making_Math::Random::Secure_Even_More_Secure

3) Read these guys (don't know how correct they are):

http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2014/02/25/safely-generate-random-numbers/

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Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

[Patrick Bartek]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2015, David Wright wrote:

> Quoting Patrick Bartek (nemomm...@gmail.com):
> > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015, David Wright wrote:
> > > Quoting Patrick Bartek (nemomm...@gmail.com):
> > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
> > > > > i'll second the use of openbox.  i use it with fbpanel.
> > > > > i too believe that gnome just pulls in way too much "stuff".
> > > > > the most inconvenient thing about not using gnome is not
> > > > > having a way to handle USS mass storage devices.
> > > >
> > > > I wrote a generic udev rule for that.  Of course, there are also
> > > > mounting utilities that do the same thing.  But I opted for the
> > > > light-on-resources rule instead.
> > 
> > The rule mounts and unmounts flash drives -- just plug and unplug
> > -- and cards (any type using an external card or multi-card
> > reader.  The caveat is: you must plug the card in first, then plug
> > the reader in. Unmount by unplugging reader with the card still in
> > it, then remove the card. Doesn't work with internal multi-card
> > readers.  Probably not with single internal readers either.  For
> > that you need a daemon like udisks-daemon set to poll each card
> > slot of the reader.  
> 
> Thanks for posting that. I've got some homework to do!
> 
> I can understand the plugging in, and I think I understand the bit
> about card readers: if I plug an SD card into my laptop slot, it
> appears in a completely different manner from how it appears if the
> SD card is in a USB converter (the "card reader").
> 
> So in goes the USB plug, udev applies the rule and the device gets
> mounted.
> 
> But I don't understand how unplugging works. My experience is that
> with FAT-ish devices, if sync has been executed and time elapsed,
> the only problem with pulling the plug (not having umounted) is that
> the user may not be able to umount the mount point, but need to do it
> as root. With extX filesystems, that wouldn't work at all because the
> filesystem would still be marked as dirty.
> 
> Are you using some sort of safe-to-remove-hardware button like
> windows?
> 
> > # remove the symbolic link to ~/{usb_folder}
> > ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/bin/rm -f
> > '/home/aardvark/Desktop/%E{dir_name}'"
> > 
> > # clean up after device removal
> > ACTION=="remove", ENV{dir_name}!="", RUN+="/bin/umount -l
> > '/media/%E{dir_name}'", RUN+="/bin/rmdir '/media/%E{dir_name}'"

The above code fragment is for systems that have a desktop GUI.  As I
only use a window manager, I don't have a desktop, and commented these
ACTIONs out.

> I need to figure out precisely what terms like "detach", "clean up"
> and "busy" mean in man umount -l.

The rule I posted applied only to mounting and unmounting USB
flash/thumb drives.  I also wanted to mount memory cards.  I discovered
by trial and error that if I put a memory card in a reader and then
plugged in the reader, the rule "thought" it was a flash drive, and
mounted it. Unplugging the combination would unmount it.  Removing just
the card while the reader was still plugged it didn't work properly.

To get readers (external or internal) to work "correctly" requires
polling each card slot in the reader and a rule to recognize when a
card is inserted much as one would detect a CD insert in a CD drive.  I
began by writing a rule for my CD drive since it require polling,
too, and got it to mount the CD, but never got the unmounting part to
work.  I got sidetracked by other things during the rule's
troubleshooting and never got back to it.


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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 April 2015 16:28:15 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 04/16/2015 04:01 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> > On 04/16/2015 11:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> ... I discovered the atom based box for <$300 which are
> >> great for a one stop solution for the machinery controls.  So this
> >> phenom box was my last real build, 8 years (nominally) ago.
> >
> > Please tell us about your Atom box(es).  (I've been eyeballing the
> > D2500CC for IPCop.)
> >
> >
> > What machinery?
>
> Gene has a special install for his CNC setup, with a RTAI kernel. To
> me, ole Gene needs one machine dedicated to that and offload desktop
> stuff to another standard install.
>
Actually Ric, ole Gene has two machines dedicated to running the 
machinery and this is the one size fits all box.  But I have to keep it 
close enough kernelwise that it can run the LCNC simulator version in 
userspace.  So I can sit here in air conditioned comfort, write G-Code 
to do a job, and exersize that code on this machine, cutting electronic 
air.  When I am happy it works, then load it on the real machinery and 
make $400 worth of Mahogany and other considerably pricier stuff for 
trim, into a blanket chest that I sent a pix of to my youngest, who took 
a printout to work, and his co-workers all pronounced it to be "Wood 
Porn"  ;-)  I can't help it if they are buying their furniture from 
IKEA.

> Gene, regarding harddrive problems, check this out:
> http://www.sj-vs.net/forcing-a-hard-disk-to-reallocate-bad-sectors/
> I had one bad sector that gave everything else fits. This fixed it!
> Scared me to do it, but nothing blew up on reboot. Just a thought. Ric

Today they will do that automatically, from a pool of sectors reserved 
for that as they are made. You will not receive a notice that it has 
happened until te drive is out of spare sectors.

I did have a file that reserved all the bad sectors on an original ST-238 
on one of my coco's 25 years ago. I figured that when I got to the 40th, 
I had only 8 slots left in the file descriptor and bought a maxtor 7120s 
& a scsi interface.  End of that "problem". :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 April 2015 16:01:31 David Christensen wrote:
> On 04/16/2015 11:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > ... I discovered the atom based box for <$300 which are
> > great for a one stop solution for the machinery controls.  So this
> > phenom box was my last real build, 8 years (nominally) ago.
>
> Please tell us about your Atom box(es).  (I've been eyeballing the
> D2500CC for IPCop.)

They were the Intel D525MW boards, in a box made by ARK, a subsidiary of 
Intel.  Running an RTAI patched kernel, wit hyperthreading disabled an a 
kernel argument of "isolcpus=1", the IRQ latency is about 2 u-s at the 
halfway mark on the bell curve.
>
> What machinery?

Cnc, aka Computer Numerically Controlled, for metal or wood cutting 
machinery, lathes or milling machines, I have one of each.>

> > Switch it for a router running dd.wrt.
>
> I'd love to, but my Netgear FVS318G isn't supported.
>
> > I could probably bring in the lappy from the shop, it has mint 14 on
> > it at the moment.  Bring it in and get an email agent working so I
> > am not exactly 100% locked out of help on the net. Some house
> > cleaning is in order to make room for it. Which I should probably
> > get to already...
>
> My ~1997 laptop has enough power to do simple desktop stuff, but not
> much more.  I'm starting to realize this is a good thing, because it
> forces me to do my experiments on other machines.  So, the laptop
> stays simple and working.

I am of that same opinion, as long as the battery doesn't explode I'm 
fine.  That OEM battery is now north of a decade old so I fully expect 
the in-cord psu will upchuck trying to charge it one of these fine days.

> > You then maintain your own local mirrors of the repos you need?
>
> I set up a 5 GB HTTP proxy and hosts entry in IPCop, and added a line
> to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf in each machine:
>
>  Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:8080";;
>
> > Using amanda here, which has the bare metal recovery covered.
> > Small drive is relative, it will be a 1T Seagate thats about a year
> > old. This time I envision that 1T as a boot drive, the 2T as /home &
> > /opt, and temporarily another 1T for amanda. That drive is at about
> > 65% of capacity now & also has the shop machines included in its
> > disklist. But that drive now has >50,000 hours on it, so will likely
> > be replaced by the 2nd 2T I just bought, in due time of course.
>
> So, 1 laptop, 1 desktop, 2 @ 1 TB drives (1 newer, 1 older), and 2 @ 2
> TB drives (both new)?  I assume the laptop has a HDD?

100Gigs.  Hasn't sneezed (yet).

> Do you know if the laptop or the desktop machine can use a USB flash
> drive as the system drive?  My 945 chipset and newer machines can do
> this.  It is one of the best cheap Linux tricks I've ever discovered. 

With limited life of the flash, linux filesystems are hell on flash.

> I use the SanDisk Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0, ($10.57 on Amazon), and
> they perform at least as well as small 7200 RPM HDD's; even on USB 2.0
> ports.

My old Asus board does not support that AFAIK.
>
>
> I would recommend:
>
> 1.  Do a fresh install of Wheezy (!) with your favorite graphical
> desktop on the laptop, and move into that as your personal
> workstation.
>
> 2.  Get a small system drive for the Phenom box, do a fresh install of
> Wheezy (!) with or without X/ window manager/ graphical desktop, use
> the newer 1 TB drive for data, set up file serving (NFS, Samba,
> whatever), use the older 1 TB drive for Amanda, and use the 2 TB
> drives for copies of the Amanda archives (at least one off-site at all
> times).

If I need an offsite, that event will probably coincide with my demise.
At 80, I am well aware that waking up in the morning is an excuse to 
celebrate.  ;-)

> 3.  Buy or build a machine you can mess with (Jessie, whatever), and
> leave the other two alone.
>
> 4.  Consider building another Wheezy box for Amanda.

At this late date, I think the one box does it all is ok.  The wife will 
probably crawl under the desk and power down the room by pulling line  
cords when I am gone.  And has no interest in learning the technical 
stuff.  So if I am not here, its all moot.

> David

Cheers David, Gene Heskett
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Re: Wicd - no wireless networks found

[メット]

On 2015年4月17日 06:33:45 JST, German  wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:05:26 +0200
>albcares  wrote:
>
>> 2015-04-16 22:22 GMT+02:00 German :
>> 
>> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:12:30 -0500
>> > David Wright  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
>> > > > Ok, I installed realtek firmware, running modrpobe rtl8723be
>> > > > returns
>> > no output, so I think my card is operational. But Wicd doesn't show
>> > any wireless networks. Where to go from here? Thank you
>> > >
>> > > Does iwconfig show a wireless interface?
>> > >
>> > > $ /sbin/iwconfig
>> > > wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"my-name"
>> > >   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 44:...
>> > >   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm
>> > >   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>> > >   Power Management:off
>> > >   Link Quality=64/70  Signal level=-46 dBm
>> > >   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid
>frag:0
>> > >   Tx excessive retries:6  Invalid misc:794   Missed
>> > > beacon:0
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, it shows. When I ran ip link show, it says it is DOWN. Now how
>> > to get it UP? Thanks
>> >
>> > >
>> > > lono wireless extensions.
>> > >
>> > > eth0  no wireless extensions.
>> > >
>> > > $
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > David.
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >
>> >
>> > hallo! as I'm not an "expert" I try to learn something out and
>> > about. have you ever tried - as root:
>> > # dhclient wlan0 (the label of your device)
>
>This hangs for a while and exits. 
>> > # wlan0 up
>
>Command not found. wlan0 is an interface, not a program.
>
>Here is output of my few commands, maybe someone else can shed a light
>on this:
> ip link show
>1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
>mode DEFAULT group default 
>link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
>link/ether 28:d2:44:d9:c1:33 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode
>DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
>link/ether 38:b1:db:5e:64:79 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>
>
>as you see wlan0 is down.
>
>ifconfig -a
>eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 28:d2:44:d9:c1:33  
>   inet addr:192.168.0.103  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>  inet6 addr: fe80::2ad2:44ff:fed9:c133/64 Scope:Link
>  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>  RX packets:3116 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>  TX packets:1413 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
>  RX bytes:3639821 (3.4 MiB)  TX bytes:116814 (114.0 KiB)
>
>loLink encap:Local Loopback  
>  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
>  RX packets:74 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>  TX packets:74 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
>  RX bytes:6572 (6.4 KiB)  TX bytes:6572 (6.4 KiB)
>
>wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 38:b1:db:5e:64:79  
>  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
>  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>
>
>Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>> >
>> > I don't remember exactly, maybe the first string can be enough...
>> > let us know!
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>> >
>> 
>> 
ifconfig wlan0 up
or
iwconfig wlan0 up
once it's up, u can invoke dhcp to get an address as said before:
dhclient wlan0
thing is, u need ur credentials set before hand with smtg like wpasupplicant 
(dont remember exact naming); as access points often have passwords and name.
also when using dhcp daemon u can add a v switch to see what s happening

dhclient -v wlan0

1. bring interface up
ifconfig wlan0 up
or
iwconfig wlan0 up
2. set up credentials in wpasupplicant config file
3. get an ip from dhcp daemon
dhclient -v wlan0
also useful to see which ap are around:
iwlist scan

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Re: Hibernate option in Gnome menu? (Jessie)

[Michael Biebl]

Am 17.04.2015 um 00:40 schrieb W. Martin Borgert:
> Hi,
> 
> I just upgraded my relatives notebook from wheezy to jessie,
> but now her hibernate option is gone from the right side menu.
> There is only shutdown, which changes to suspend with alt.
> Both are not needed by my relative, she always wants hibernate.
> Any idea how to get this back?
> Please without hacking text files nor installing software
> that is not in Debian, which I found searching the net.
> I'm confident that I just need gnome-tweak-tool, but I can't
> find the right toggle.

While you can configure the actions on power button, sleep button and
lid switch events (via dconf-editor or gsettings [1]), ttbomk there is
no config option to adjust gnome-shell and you'll need to resort to a
extension for this.

You can try
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/755/hibernate-status-button/
though. Seems to work fine here on Gnome / Jessie.


Michael

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2015 06:07 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2015-04-16, Bret Busby  wrote:

On 17/04/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:





Have you tried "catalyst" for the AMD setup?? Under AMD Mobility
Product Family your 6000 series is listed.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx



Hello.

I assume something bad is in the source code of that web page (it is
aspx, so, proprietary MS stuff), but, with two web browsers - Arora
and rekonq, running on Debian 6, I can only see a bit at the op of the
web page - no scroll bar or any way to get to the important stuff
lower down on the web page.

Publishing a web page about Linux stuff, in MS only format, is a bit
weird.

It is kind of like the manuafacturer (AMD) wants to hide its Linux
stuff, from Linux users.


It is nothing of the sort. The site Works fine in iceweasel on jessie.
It should work on wheezy, which has the same version of iceweasel, too.

Any browser you run in squeeze was EOL'ed years ago, from a security
perspective if nothing else.


I missed the bit about the OP running squeeze. At any rate he has three 
choices that I can find

Ubuntu 32bit
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Ubuntu+x86+32
Ubuntu 64bit
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Ubuntu+x86+64
Or just Linux (32 + 64bit)
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux+x86

Both Ubuntu versions are for 14.04 or better. The "Linux" version is a 
zip file. You need kernel header package installed to use that one as it 
will compile itself, like the nvidia driver from nvidia does. Ric




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Re: Hibernate option in Gnome menu? (Jessie)

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2015 06:40 PM, W. Martin Borgert wrote:

Hi,

I just upgraded my relatives notebook from wheezy to jessie,
but now her hibernate option is gone from the right side menu.
There is only shutdown, which changes to suspend with alt.
Both are not needed by my relative, she always wants hibernate.
Any idea how to get this back?
Please without hacking text files nor installing software
that is not in Debian, which I found searching the net.
I'm confident that I just need gnome-tweak-tool, but I can't
find the right toggle.


Can you right-click on it to set options or preferences? Running XFCE4 
here, and I just right-click on my action buttons icon and I can select 
which options I want active to select, like Restart, Log out, Hibernate, 
Shut down, Suspend, Lock Screen, Switch User, etc. Once i have tic'd the 
checkmarks of the options I want, then those will be the selections I 
can use when I left click, as normal. Nice! It should work like that for 
Gnome.  YMMV, Ric



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Hibernate option in Gnome menu? (Jessie)

[W. Martin Borgert]

Hi,

I just upgraded my relatives notebook from wheezy to jessie,
but now her hibernate option is gone from the right side menu.
There is only shutdown, which changes to suspend with alt.
Both are not needed by my relative, she always wants hibernate.
Any idea how to get this back?
Please without hacking text files nor installing software
that is not in Debian, which I found searching the net.
I'm confident that I just need gnome-tweak-tool, but I can't
find the right toggle.

TIA!


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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-04-16, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 17/04/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:



>> Have you tried "catalyst" for the AMD setup?? Under AMD Mobility
>> Product Family your 6000 series is listed.
>> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx
>>
>
> Hello.
>
> I assume something bad is in the source code of that web page (it is
> aspx, so, proprietary MS stuff), but, with two web browsers - Arora
> and rekonq, running on Debian 6, I can only see a bit at the op of the
> web page - no scroll bar or any way to get to the important stuff
> lower down on the web page.
>
> Publishing a web page about Linux stuff, in MS only format, is a bit
> weird.
>
> It is kind of like the manuafacturer (AMD) wants to hide its Linux
> stuff, from Linux users.

It is nothing of the sort. The site Works fine in iceweasel on jessie.
It should work on wheezy, which has the same version of iceweasel, too.

Any browser you run in squeeze was EOL'ed years ago, from a security
perspective if nothing else.

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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Joe]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:25:41 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

> Quoting Joe (j...@jretrading.com):

> 
> > This upgrade of old Testing to new Testing is the first real-world
> > preview of the *next* Stable upgrade, or at least some of it. I'm
> > sure a lot of thought has gone into preparing for it.
> 
> Sure, but we're not all gagging for it.
> 

Indeed. I prefer not to upgrade my server to a new Stable for at least
six months, and I don't brave the turbulance of Testing at all,
preferring the smooth serenity of Sid...

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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:11:06 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

Hello Lisi,

>But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because everything
>will immediately update willy-nilly and out of your control, all at
>once, to 

I've been using 'testing' (as opposed to codenames) for years without
problems.  The flood of updates doesn't happen in an uncontrolled
manner.  Every single one of them is (dis)allowed by the system
administrator.  Me, in this case.  When the freeze ends after a new
Debian release, I update daily for a week or two to avoid having to do
too many packages at once.

Sometimes, one (or more) of those packages wants to remove others,
sometimes a *lot* of packages.  More often than not, holding back on
updates to just those packages demanding removals allows for issues to
be sorted out in sid (or upstream) soon enough.  Occasionally, of course,
some removals are required, due to dependency changes, killing off
outdated software etc. but never in huge quantities.

Admittedly, one has to be fairly confident in one's own abilities to
select updates wisely.  So, as a result, I'd probably advise complete
newcomers to use codenames.  At least until they gained some
knowledge/skill in handling updates.

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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:25 PM, David Wright  wrote:
> Quoting Joe (j...@jretrading.com):
>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:11:06 +0100
>> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>> > As opposed to problems in a fortnight?  If you change all of them,
>> > you will have a whirlwind as soon as Jessie becomes Stable.  If I
>> > were in your shoes, I would change the one reference to testing to
>> > Jessie.  Track Jessie into next month and change all references to
>> > Jessie to testing or Stretch then, when things have calmed down a
>> > little.
>> >
>> > > Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
>> > > any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
>> > > thorough test?
>> >
>> > It's no test at all.  At the moment testing and Jessie are the same
>> > thing.
>> >
>> > But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because
>> > everything will immediately update willy-nilly and out of your
>> > control, all at once, to Stretch (which will be the new testing).
>> >
>> > I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would
>> > wait at least a month!
>> >
>>
>> However long the wait, the result will be the same. In fact, the longer
>> the wait, the more upgrades there will be in one go.
>
> This may be true, but there's a difference. If you wait a few months
> in jessie before moving to stretch, a lot more people will have tried
> the latter and discussed, maybe fixed, the bugs that crop up.
>
>> Once the
>> floodgates open into the new Testing, there will be a similar upheaval
>> here in Sid, as software which has been kept back because it won't be
>> compatible with the initial new Testing (which has to be smoothly
>> upgraded from the present Testing) will then be dumped into Sid and
>> pushed into Testing as soon as the magic two weeks have passed without
>> complete disaster. Interesting times everywhere, except hopefully in the
>> new Stable.
>
> Lisi and I both suggested to stick with codenames, and jessie.
> This means that the OP can choose exactly when to move distribution
> instead of being at the mercy of the Debian release schedule.
>
>> This upgrade of old Testing to new Testing is the first real-world
>> preview of the *next* Stable upgrade, or at least some of it. I'm sure
>> a lot of thought has gone into preparing for it.
>
> Sure, but we're not all gagging for it.

I've had these lines in my sources.list for years:

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free

Yes, things get interesting after the current testing stabilizes, with
sometimes hundreds of updates at a time, but things don't get into the
testing distribution unless they mostly work, and I've very rarely had
to wait long for any wrinkles to work out. (I do NOT, of course, do
this on a production server, but only on my personal boxes.)

Patrick


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Re: Wicd - no wireless networks found

[German]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:05:26 +0200
albcares  wrote:

> 2015-04-16 22:22 GMT+02:00 German :
> 
> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:12:30 -0500
> > David Wright  wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
> > > > Ok, I installed realtek firmware, running modrpobe rtl8723be
> > > > returns
> > no output, so I think my card is operational. But Wicd doesn't show
> > any wireless networks. Where to go from here? Thank you
> > >
> > > Does iwconfig show a wireless interface?
> > >
> > > $ /sbin/iwconfig
> > > wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"my-name"
> > >   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 44:...
> > >   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm
> > >   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
> > >   Power Management:off
> > >   Link Quality=64/70  Signal level=-46 dBm
> > >   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
> > >   Tx excessive retries:6  Invalid misc:794   Missed
> > > beacon:0
> >
> >
> > Yes, it shows. When I ran ip link show, it says it is DOWN. Now how
> > to get it UP? Thanks
> >
> > >
> > > lono wireless extensions.
> > >
> > > eth0  no wireless extensions.
> > >
> > > $
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> > hallo! as I'm not an "expert" I try to learn something out and
> > about. have you ever tried - as root:
> > # dhclient wlan0 (the label of your device)

This hangs for a while and exits. 
> > # wlan0 up

Command not found. wlan0 is an interface, not a program.

Here is output of my few commands, maybe someone else can shed a light
on this:
 ip link show
1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode 
DEFAULT group default 
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP 
mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
link/ether 28:d2:44:d9:c1:33 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT 
group default qlen 1000
link/ether 38:b1:db:5e:64:79 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff


as you see wlan0 is down.

ifconfig -a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 28:d2:44:d9:c1:33  
  inet addr:192.168.0.103  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::2ad2:44ff:fed9:c133/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:3116 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:1413 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:3639821 (3.4 MiB)  TX bytes:116814 (114.0 KiB)

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
  RX packets:74 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:74 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:6572 (6.4 KiB)  TX bytes:6572 (6.4 KiB)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 38:b1:db:5e:64:79  
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)


Thanks for any suggestions.




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> > let us know!
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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[David Wright]

Quoting Joe (j...@jretrading.com):
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:11:06 +0100
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > As opposed to problems in a fortnight?  If you change all of them,
> > you will have a whirlwind as soon as Jessie becomes Stable.  If I
> > were in your shoes, I would change the one reference to testing to
> > Jessie.  Track Jessie into next month and change all references to
> > Jessie to testing or Stretch then, when things have calmed down a
> > little.
> > 
> > > Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
> > > any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
> > > thorough test?
> > 
> > It's no test at all.  At the moment testing and Jessie are the same
> > thing. 
> > 
> > But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because
> > everything will immediately update willy-nilly and out of your
> > control, all at once, to Stretch (which will be the new testing).
> > 
> > I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would
> > wait at least a month!  
> > 
> 
> However long the wait, the result will be the same. In fact, the longer
> the wait, the more upgrades there will be in one go.

This may be true, but there's a difference. If you wait a few months
in jessie before moving to stretch, a lot more people will have tried
the latter and discussed, maybe fixed, the bugs that crop up.

> Once the
> floodgates open into the new Testing, there will be a similar upheaval
> here in Sid, as software which has been kept back because it won't be
> compatible with the initial new Testing (which has to be smoothly
> upgraded from the present Testing) will then be dumped into Sid and
> pushed into Testing as soon as the magic two weeks have passed without
> complete disaster. Interesting times everywhere, except hopefully in the
> new Stable.

Lisi and I both suggested to stick with codenames, and jessie.
This means that the OP can choose exactly when to move distribution
instead of being at the mercy of the Debian release schedule.

> This upgrade of old Testing to new Testing is the first real-world
> preview of the *next* Stable upgrade, or at least some of it. I'm sure
> a lot of thought has gone into preparing for it.

Sure, but we're not all gagging for it.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 17/04/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:
> On 04/16/2015 11:40 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 16/04/2015, David Wright  wrote:
>>> Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):
>>>
 bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
 [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
>>>
>>> I think you should concentrate on the string in brackets,
>>> which appears on
>>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/VIDEO/?&page=3
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Now, you say that, but, Ubuntu 14.04 shows two different sets of
>> information, as shown in my preceding messages;
>>
>>
>> "
>>
>>
>> I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
>> 14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
>> being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;
>>
>> from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have
>>
>> "
>> Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
>> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
>> "
>>
>> "
>>
>> and, as you have mentioned above, from
>>
>> "
>> "
>> bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
>> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
>> [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
>> "
>> "
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>> "
>> and, from the lshw output,
>>
>> "
>>   *-pci:0
>>description: Host bridge
>>product: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>>physical id: 100
>>bus info: pci@:00:00.0
>>version: 00
>>width: 32 bits
>>clock: 33MHz
>>  *-display UNCLAIMED
>>   description: VGA compatible controller
>>   product: Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
>>   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>>   physical id: 1
>>   bus info: pci@:00:01.0
>>   version: 00
>>   width: 64 bits
>>   clock: 33MHz
>>   capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list
>>   configuration: latency=0
>>   resources: memory:e000-efff
>> memory:f000-f07f ioport:3000(size=256)
>> memory:f0c0-f0c3 memory:f0c8-f0c9
>>
>> "
>> "
>>
>>
>> So, Ubuntu shows the CPU as being both
>> "AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4"
>> and
>> " [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"
>>
>> unless, an AMD E2-6110 incorporates an AMD A4-6000 with R2 Graphics
>>
>> ?
>>
>> But, the link that you sent, links to
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/1002%3A9852/
>>
>> which has
>>
>> "
>> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000
>> with R2 Graphics] Video
>> The Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000
>> with R2 Graphics] is under the Video category and is contained in the
>> certified systems below.
>> "
>>
>>
>> and, lists, as certified systems,
>>
>> "
>> HP 15 Notebook PC Laptop
>> Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
>> Ltd. AMD AMD
>> HP 18 All-in-One PC Desktop
>> Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. AMD
>> "
>>
>> and
>>
>> "
>> HP Compaq 15 Notebook PC Laptop
>> Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
>> Ltd. AMD AMD
>> "
>>
>>
>> and the link that I have cited, for
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/
>>
>> has
>>
>> "
>> AMD processor AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics Processor
>> The AMD processor AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics is under
>> the Processor category and is contained in the certified systems
>> below.
>>
>> HP 15 Notebook PC Laptop
>> Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
>> Ltd. AMD AMD
>> HP 18 All-in-One PC Desktop
>> Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. AMD
>> HP Compaq 15 Notebook PC Laptop
>> Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
>> Ltd. AMD AMD
>> "
>>
>> So, what I deduce from this, is that the only difference between what
>> you have posted, and, what I had previously posted, is that you have
>> referred to the video component
>> (" [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]")
>> of the CPU that I had specified;
>> ("AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4")
>>
>> but, however it is interpreted, my deduction that both Debian 7 and
>> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, appear to be lacking a(n adequate) driver for the
>> particular CPU (given that it involves and includes, as an integral
>> part, the " [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"
>> graphics controller), appears to be reasonable and valid.
>>
>> I note that none of the web page URL's tha

Re: Supported hybrid PC/tablet computers

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 27 germinal, an CCXXIII, Nicolas George a écrit :
> [ Re-sending due to a mixup with my "from" address; hopefully will arrive
> only once. ]

Sorry for the dup, it was a matter of seconds after more than an hour :(
Please disregard this mail and reply only on the other.

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Supported hybrid PC/tablet computers

[Nicolas George]

[ Re-sending due to a mixup with my "from" address; hopefully will arrive
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Hi.

I would like to know if some people here have accurate knowledge on the
prospect of running Debian on low- and middle-end hybrid PC/tablet
computers, like Asus Transformer or Acer Aspire Switch that sell for
250-500 EUR around here?

Note that I do not expect a "there's an app for that" kind of tablet
experience, I just want to a normal Debian laptop to replace an old
EeePC 1000, with the extra option of removing the keyboard when it is more
convenient.

For that, apart from the usual hardware support, I need the touchscreen to
appear in /dev/input/event* and generate events, no more. But that kind of
information seems hard to come by on the web.

If anyone has access to that kind of device, I would be very grateful for
the information.

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Supported hybrid PC/tablet computers

[Nicolas George]

Hi.

I would like to know if some people here have accurate knowledge on the
prospect of running Debian on low- and middle-end hybrid PC/tablet
computers, like Asus Transformer or Acer Aspire Switch that sell for
250-500 EUR around here?

Note that I do not expect a "there's an app for that" kind of tablet
experience, I just want to a normal Debian laptop to replace an old
EeePC 1000, with the extra option of removing the keyboard when it is more
convenient.

For that, apart from the usual hardware support, I need the touchscreen to
appear in /dev/input/event* and generate events, no more. But that kind of
information seems hard to come by on the web.

If anyone has access to that kind of device, I would be very grateful for
the information.

Regards,

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Re: Wicd - no wireless networks found

[albcares]

2015-04-16 22:22 GMT+02:00 German :

> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:12:30 -0500
> David Wright  wrote:
>
> > Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
> > > Ok, I installed realtek firmware, running modrpobe rtl8723be returns
> no output, so I think my card is operational. But Wicd doesn't show any
> wireless networks. Where to go from here? Thank you
> >
> > Does iwconfig show a wireless interface?
> >
> > $ /sbin/iwconfig
> > wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"my-name"
> >   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 44:...
> >   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm
> >   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
> >   Power Management:off
> >   Link Quality=64/70  Signal level=-46 dBm
> >   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
> >   Tx excessive retries:6  Invalid misc:794   Missed beacon:0
>
>
> Yes, it shows. When I ran ip link show, it says it is DOWN. Now how to get
> it UP? Thanks
>
> >
> > lono wireless extensions.
> >
> > eth0  no wireless extensions.
> >
> > $
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David.
> >
> >
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> hallo! as I'm not an "expert" I try to learn something out and about.
> have you ever tried - as root:
> # dhclient wlan0 (the label of your device)
> # wlan0 up
>
> I don't remember exactly, maybe the first string can be enough... let us
> know!
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Re: Encrypting an External HDD

[David Christensen]

On 04/16/2015 12:31 PM, ken wrote:

... remembering that partitioning also detects and marks bad blocks,
I was then wondering if this was done also by the writing of LUKS container 
alone.


It is my understanding that the drive firmware is where "bad blocks" are 
detected and marked.  I expect that the details are very complex and 
proprietary, involving checksums, error-correcting codes, encryption, 
spare blocks, internal persistent data structures, etc..



From a user's point of view, the most obvious symptoms of a bad block 
are the computer hangs, the HDD LED is on steadily, and/or the hard 
drive makes an audible "click of death".



Partitioning, LUKS formatting, and file system formatting only write to 
a fraction of all addressable blocks, and thus are unlikely to find a 
single bad block out of millions (1 GB drive) or billions (1 TB drive). 
 An exhaustive read or write of all addressable blocks is more likely 
to find bad blocks (e.g. scanning, wiping, shredding).



Manufacturer diagnostics can dig deeper and deal with problems found. 
For example:


http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/


David


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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Joe]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:11:06 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Thursday 16 April 2015 17:05:54 Harry Putnam wrote:
> > My current sources.list:
> >

> >
> > In the first three, if I just change the word `jessie' to `testing'
> > will that work seemlessly or lead to problems?
> >
> > I'm a little loath to just test it for fear of causing immediate
> > problems, I mean testing beyond an `aptitude update' after changing
> > all occurences of `jessie' to testing.
> 
> As opposed to problems in a fortnight?  If you change all of them,
> you will have a whirlwind as soon as Jessie becomes Stable.  If I
> were in your shoes, I would change the one reference to testing to
> Jessie.  Track Jessie into next month and change all references to
> Jessie to testing or Stretch then, when things have calmed down a
> little.
> 
> > Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
> > any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
> > thorough test?
> 
> It's no test at all.  At the moment testing and Jessie are the same
> thing. 
> 
> But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because
> everything will immediately update willy-nilly and out of your
> control, all at once, to Stretch (which will be the new testing).
> 
> I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would
> wait at least a month!  
> 

However long the wait, the result will be the same. In fact, the longer
the wait, the more upgrades there will be in one go. Once the
floodgates open into the new Testing, there will be a similar upheaval
here in Sid, as software which has been kept back because it won't be
compatible with the initial new Testing (which has to be smoothly
upgraded from the present Testing) will then be dumped into Sid and
pushed into Testing as soon as the magic two weeks have passed without
complete disaster. Interesting times everywhere, except hopefully in the
new Stable.

This upgrade of old Testing to new Testing is the first real-world
preview of the *next* Stable upgrade, or at least some of it. I'm sure
a lot of thought has gone into preparing for it.

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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2015 04:11 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:


It's no test at all.  At the moment testing and Jessie are the same thing.

But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because everything will
immediately update willy-nilly and out of your control, all at once, to
Stretch (which will be the new testing).

I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would wait at
least a month!

Lisi


That is the best advice he will get for free on the entire Internet. 
Keeping testing in one's sources-list is just like a red button. Red is 
never a good color to push. :) Ric




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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2015 04:01 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 04/16/2015 11:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

... I discovered the atom based box for <$300 which are
great for a one stop solution for the machinery controls.  So this
phenom box was my last real build, 8 years (nominally) ago.


Please tell us about your Atom box(es).  (I've been eyeballing the
D2500CC for IPCop.)


What machinery?


Gene has a special install for his CNC setup, with a RTS kernel. To me, 
ole Gene needs one machine dedicated to that and offload desktop stuff 
to another standard install.


Gene, regarding harddrive problems, check this out:
http://www.sj-vs.net/forcing-a-hard-disk-to-reallocate-bad-sectors/
I had one bad sector that gave everything else fits. This fixed it! 
Scared me to do it, but nothing blew up on reboot. Just a thought. Ric




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Re: Wicd - no wireless networks found

[German]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:12:30 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

> Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
> > Ok, I installed realtek firmware, running modrpobe rtl8723be returns no 
> > output, so I think my card is operational. But Wicd doesn't show any 
> > wireless networks. Where to go from here? Thank you
> 
> Does iwconfig show a wireless interface?
> 
> $ /sbin/iwconfig 
> wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"my-name"  
>   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 44:...
>   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   
>   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>   Power Management:off
>   Link Quality=64/70  Signal level=-46 dBm  
>   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>   Tx excessive retries:6  Invalid misc:794   Missed beacon:0


Yes, it shows. When I ran ip link show, it says it is DOWN. Now how to get it 
UP? Thanks

> 
> lono wireless extensions.
> 
> eth0  no wireless extensions.
> 
> $ 
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 
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How to enable non-free in jessie [was Re: Realtek firmware]

[Jean-Marc]

Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:27:43 -0400
German  écrivait :

> [...]
> I don't think this is important what chip I have. I think that all realtek 
> firmware installs in one package. Right now I am wondering how to enable 
> non-free repo in Jessi. If you could tell me this, I'd appreciate it.

Add non-free to your sources.list

man -s 5 sources.list

See "examples" chapter.

Update your local repo:

apt-get update

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Re: Wicd - no wireless networks found

[David Wright]

Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
> Ok, I installed realtek firmware, running modrpobe rtl8723be returns no 
> output, so I think my card is operational. But Wicd doesn't show any wireless 
> networks. Where to go from here? Thank you

Does iwconfig show a wireless interface?

$ /sbin/iwconfig 
wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"my-name"  
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 44:...
  Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   
  Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality=64/70  Signal level=-46 dBm  
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:6  Invalid misc:794   Missed beacon:0

lono wireless extensions.

eth0  no wireless extensions.

$ 

Cheers,
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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 16 April 2015 17:05:54 Harry Putnam wrote:
> My current sources.list:
>
>
> ,
>
> | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
> |
> | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib
> | non-free
> |
> | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
>
> `
>
> And a couple to keep certain wheeze software but not important for my
> question (included here just for completness only)
> ,
>
> | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> |
> | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
>
> `
>
> In the first three, if I just change the word `jessie' to `testing' will
> that work seemlessly or lead to problems?
>
> I'm a little loath to just test it for fear of causing immediate
> problems, I mean testing beyond an `aptitude update' after changing all
> occurences of `jessie' to testing.

As opposed to problems in a fortnight?  If you change all of them, you will 
have a whirlwind as soon as Jessie becomes Stable.  If I were in your shoes, 
I would change the one reference to testing to Jessie.  Track Jessie into 
next month and change all references to Jessie to testing or Stretch then, 
when things have calmed down a little.

> Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
> any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
> thorough test?

It's no test at all.  At the moment testing and Jessie are the same thing. 

But it will be awful the day that Jessie goes Stable because everything will 
immediately update willy-nilly and out of your control, all at once, to 
Stretch (which will be the new testing).

I really should wait a few days if I were you.  If I were me I would wait at 
least a month!  

Lisi
>
> ---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---
> `aptitude update' included for more experienced eyes to check:
>
> (Oh, and incidently, can any one tell me what the indicator `Ign' just
> below Get: 4 below means I mean beyond `Ignore'?
>
> Does it mean I need to change something in my `sources.list'?)
>
>
> Get: 1 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing InRelease [206 kB]
> Get: 2 http://security.debian.org testing/updates InRelease [84.1 kB]
> Get: 3 http://ftp.debian.org testing-updates InRelease [117 kB]
> Get: 4 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates InRelease [103 kB]
>
> Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy InRelease
>
> Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg
> Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release
> Get: 5 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Sources [694 B]
> Get: 6 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Sources [14 B]
> Get: 7 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free Sources [14 B]
> Get: 8 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main i386 Packages [516
> B] Get: 9 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib i386 Packages
> [14 B] Get: 10 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free i386
> Packages [14 B] Get: 11 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib
> Translation-en [14 B] Get: 12 http://security.debian.org
> testing/updates/main Translation-en [360 B] Get: 13
> http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free Translation-en [14 B]
> Get: 14 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources [168 kB]
> Get: 15 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Sources [14 B]
> Get: 16 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Sources [14 B]
> Get: 17 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages [307
> kB] Get: 18 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib i386 Packages
> [14 B] Get: 19 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free i386
> Packages [14 B] Get: 20 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib
> Translation-en [523 B] Get: 21 http://security.debian.org
> wheezy/updates/main Translation-en [172 kB] Get: 22
> http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en [14 B]
> Get: 23 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Sources/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
> Get: 24 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Sources/DiffIndex [7,819
> B] Get: 25 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Sources/DiffIndex
> [7,819 B] Get: 26 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main i386
> Packages/DiffIndex [7,876 B] Get: 27 http://ftp.us.debian.org
> testing/contrib i386 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 B] Get: 28
> http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
> Get: 29 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Translation-en/DiffIndex
> [7,819 B] Get: 30 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main

Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[David Christensen]

On 04/16/2015 11:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

... I discovered the atom based box for <$300 which are
great for a one stop solution for the machinery controls.  So this
phenom box was my last real build, 8 years (nominally) ago.


Please tell us about your Atom box(es).  (I've been eyeballing the 
D2500CC for IPCop.)



What machinery?



Switch it for a router running dd.wrt.


I'd love to, but my Netgear FVS318G isn't supported.



I could probably bring in the lappy from the shop, it has mint 14 on it
at the moment.  Bring it in and get an email agent working so I am not
exactly 100% locked out of help on the net. Some house cleaning is in
order to make room for it. Which I should probably get to already...


My ~1997 laptop has enough power to do simple desktop stuff, but not 
much more.  I'm starting to realize this is a good thing, because it 
forces me to do my experiments on other machines.  So, the laptop stays 
simple and working.




You then maintain your own local mirrors of the repos you need?


I set up a 5 GB HTTP proxy and hosts entry in IPCop, and added a line to 
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf in each machine:


Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:8080";;



Using amanda here, which has the bare metal recovery covered.
Small drive is relative, it will be a 1T Seagate thats about a year old.
This time I envision that 1T as a boot drive, the 2T as /home & /opt, and
temporarily another 1T for amanda. That drive is at about 65% of
capacity now & also has the shop machines included in its disklist.
But that drive now has >50,000 hours on it, so will likely be replaced by
the 2nd 2T I just bought, in due time of course.


So, 1 laptop, 1 desktop, 2 @ 1 TB drives (1 newer, 1 older), and 2 @ 2 
TB drives (both new)?  I assume the laptop has a HDD?



Do you know if the laptop or the desktop machine can use a USB flash 
drive as the system drive?  My 945 chipset and newer machines can do 
this.  It is one of the best cheap Linux tricks I've ever discovered.  I 
use the SanDisk Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0, ($10.57 on Amazon), and they 
perform at least as well as small 7200 RPM HDD's; even on USB 2.0 ports.



I would recommend:

1.  Do a fresh install of Wheezy (!) with your favorite graphical 
desktop on the laptop, and move into that as your personal workstation.


2.  Get a small system drive for the Phenom box, do a fresh install of 
Wheezy (!) with or without X/ window manager/ graphical desktop, use the 
newer 1 TB drive for data, set up file serving (NFS, Samba, whatever), 
use the older 1 TB drive for Amanda, and use the 2 TB drives for copies 
of the Amanda archives (at least one off-site at all times).


3.  Buy or build a machine you can mess with (Jessie, whatever), and 
leave the other two alone.


4.  Consider building another Wheezy box for Amanda.


David


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Re: Encrypting an External HDD

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015, at 16:31, ken wrote:
> After thinking about it, and remembering that partitioning also detects 
> and marks bad  blocks, I was then wondering if this was done also by the 
> writing of LUKS container alone.  Anyone know?

The typical install will have the LUKS container (actually, dmcrypt) doing 
nothing as far as badblocks are concerned.  Whatever filesystem is inside the 
LUKS container will have to do badblock handling, and avoid trying to write to 
a badblock.

This would also mean it is impossible to have a LUKS container where there is a 
badblock is in a LUKS metadata area, and if one shows up there, well...

Basically, nowadays the underlying device has to deal with badblocks and remap 
those itself (all ATA/SATA/SSD devices do this).  

You _can_ skip over badblocks in the device mapper setup that actually 
implements the encrypted device as far as the kernel is concerned.  I have no 
idea if cryptsetup (which reads the LUKS metadata and sets up the dm-crypt map) 
can deal with this, but it doesn't look like it.

There is an alternative using another device mapper layer between the dm-crypt 
device created by cryptsetup, and the real storage device.  It is not likely to 
be supported by stock Debian initramfs-tools, so it is very likely in the 
"don't bother, not worth the trouble" side of the fence.

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Re: I need guidance about how to configure a newly installed Jessie

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2015 03:00 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:


Why does the author of the WARNING presume that there is a different
person, other than the person reading the message who is the actual
'your system administration'? Has someone in NSA or CIA been assigned
to monitor me, and this message breaches global security because I
should not be allowed to know that I am being watch?

Help, please. Tell me what to read.


usually, with an "upgrade", devices like eth0 becomes eth1. You might 
check your logs to see if something like that happened. That could 
"possibly" bugger up a previous ssh config. I do know that when Jessie 
is finally released, I am going to re-install it fresh. Happy hunting! Ric




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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2015 11:40 AM, Bret Busby wrote:

On 16/04/2015, David Wright  wrote:

Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):


bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]


I think you should concentrate on the string in brackets,
which appears on

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/VIDEO/?&page=3

Cheers,
David.




Now, you say that, but, Ubuntu 14.04 shows two different sets of
information, as shown in my preceding messages;


"



I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;

from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have

"
Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
"


"

and, as you have mentioned above, from

"
"
bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
"
"


and

"
and, from the lshw output,

"
  *-pci:0
   description: Host bridge
   product: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
   physical id: 100
   bus info: pci@:00:00.0
   version: 00
   width: 32 bits
   clock: 33MHz
 *-display UNCLAIMED
  description: VGA compatible controller
  product: Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
  physical id: 1
  bus info: pci@:00:01.0
  version: 00
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 33MHz
  capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list
  configuration: latency=0
  resources: memory:e000-efff
memory:f000-f07f ioport:3000(size=256)
memory:f0c0-f0c3 memory:f0c8-f0c9

"
"


So, Ubuntu shows the CPU as being both
"AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4"
and
" [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"

unless, an AMD E2-6110 incorporates an AMD A4-6000 with R2 Graphics

?

But, the link that you sent, links to
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/1002%3A9852/

which has

"
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000
with R2 Graphics] Video
The Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000
with R2 Graphics] is under the Video category and is contained in the
certified systems below.
"


and, lists, as certified systems,

"
HP 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
HP 18 All-in-One PC Desktop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. AMD
"

and

"
HP Compaq 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
"


and the link that I have cited, for
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/

has

"
AMD processor AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics Processor
The AMD processor AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics is under
the Processor category and is contained in the certified systems
below.

HP 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
HP 18 All-in-One PC Desktop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. AMD
HP Compaq 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
"

So, what I deduce from this, is that the only difference between what
you have posted, and, what I had previously posted, is that you have
referred to the video component
(" [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]")
of the CPU that I had specified;
("AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4")

but, however it is interpreted, my deduction that both Debian 7 and
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, appear to be lacking a(n adequate) driver for the
particular CPU (given that it involves and includes, as an integral
part, the " [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"
graphics controller), appears to be reasonable and valid.

I note that none of the web page URL's that you and I have cited,
appear to link to, or, mention, a driver for the particular CPU or its
incorporated graphics controller, for either Debian or Ubuntu, Linux.


Have you tried "catalyst" for the AMD setup?? Under AMD Mobility Product 
Family your 6000 series is listed.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx

Of course you would need the AMD driver and use that instead of the 
plain jane SVGA you are currently using. I use nvidia, but without the 
nvidia driver installed, I

Wicd - no wireless networks found

[German]

Ok, I installed realtek firmware, running modrpobe rtl8723be returns no output, 
so I think my card is operational. But Wicd doesn't show any wireless networks. 
Where to go from here? Thank you

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Re: Strong hashing/ciphers for LUKS; was "Encrypting an External HDD"

[Stephen R Guglielmo]

Hi all,

After I sent the post below, I stumbled upon the cryptsetup FAQ
page[1]. It answered a lot of my concerns, including the SHA1 and the
cipher (plain, plain64, xts, essiv) issues.

[1]
https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/wikis/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

Thanks!

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:07:25 -0400
Stephen R Guglielmo  wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies in the previous thread! I've been doing
> some reading and have another question. It seems the default for LUKS
> (as displayed by `cryptsetup --help`) is:
> 
> aes-xts-plain64, Key: 256 bits
> LUKS header hashing: sha1
> RNG: /dev/urandom
> 
> I would like to have a high level of security. Can I use /dev/random
> instead of /dev/urandom to have a more cryptographically-secure RNG?
> Or will I run out of entropy and start blocking? Is the RNG used for
> everyday use of the encrypted volume, or just the initial format? If
> the latter, I can deal with some blocking as I generate additional
> entropy.
> 
> I checked /proc/crypto, and I don't see anything "stronger" than sha1.
> sha1 was beginning to be considered insecure in roughly 2005. Can I
> somehow get support for sha512?
> 
> As for the cipher, I'm not too familiar on such things. cryptsetup(8)
> says I can "optionally set a key size of 512 bits with the -s option."
> I do see options in /proc/crypto about "xts-aes-aesni". Would this be
> faster/better since it's using the AESNI instruction set on my CPU?
> 
> I have a (never-expiring) paste of my /proc/crypto at
> https://paste.debian.net/167171/
> 
> Thank you all!



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Re: Encrypting an External HDD

[ken]

On 04/15/2015 12:33 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 04/15/2015 08:01 AM, ken wrote:

What options or features does one get by putting the LUKS container in a
partition rather than putting it on a raw drive?


I am not aware of any technical advantages or disadvantages of LUKS on a
raw drive vs. LUKS on a partition.  For me, it's more a matter of
personal habit/ psychology in the face of several computers, many
drives, and changing conditions over the years.


Prior to running encrypted drives, I used to wipe (zero) drives when I
took them out of service.  Since migrating to LUKS partitions, sometimes
I wipe, sometimes I shred, and sometimes I just put the drive aside.  So
now when I grab a spare drive off the shelf, I look for a partition table:

1.  If the first megabyte has been zeroed:

   (elision for brevity) 


David,

Thanks for the outstanding answer.

After thinking about it, and remembering that partitioning also detects 
and marks bad  blocks, I was then wondering if this was done also by the 
writing of LUKS container alone.  Anyone know?



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Strong hashing/ciphers for LUKS; was "Encrypting an External HDD"

[Stephen R Guglielmo]

Thanks for all the replies in the previous thread! I've been doing some
reading and have another question. It seems the default for LUKS (as
displayed by `cryptsetup --help`) is:

aes-xts-plain64, Key: 256 bits
LUKS header hashing: sha1
RNG: /dev/urandom

I would like to have a high level of security. Can I use /dev/random
instead of /dev/urandom to have a more cryptographically-secure RNG? Or
will I run out of entropy and start blocking? Is the RNG used for
everyday use of the encrypted volume, or just the initial format? If
the latter, I can deal with some blocking as I generate additional
entropy.

I checked /proc/crypto, and I don't see anything "stronger" than sha1.
sha1 was beginning to be considered insecure in roughly 2005. Can I
somehow get support for sha512?

As for the cipher, I'm not too familiar on such things. cryptsetup(8)
says I can "optionally set a key size of 512 bits with the -s option."
I do see options in /proc/crypto about "xts-aes-aesni". Would this be
faster/better since it's using the AESNI instruction set on my CPU?

I have a (never-expiring) paste of my /proc/crypto at
https://paste.debian.net/167171/

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Re: javaws

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-04-16, lina  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The problem raised when I tried to "Launch Jalview Desktop" in the
> following website:
>
> http://www.jalview.org/Help
>
> at the top, right corner, there is "Launch Jalview Desktop".
>
> It worked very well in the past.  But today it is just not work as
> expected.
>
> I tried the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaws, it
> showed me that Requesting JRE 1.7+.
>
>
> I installed openjdk-8-jre from sid, but it didn't contain the javaws.

The javaws executable is provided by the icedtea-netx package.

>
>
> Any suggestions, thanks.
>

Try running javaws directly on the linked resource at the command line,
i.e.,

javaws http://www.jalview.org/webstart/jalview.jnlp

Do you see any error messages?

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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:57:37 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

Hello David,

>In which case you don't understand it.

Okay, fair enough.  My mistake.

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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 April 2015 13:56:23 David Christensen wrote:
> On 04/16/2015 07:23 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]>
> You have outlined a lot of complexity, and implied that it is all
> going into one machine that you are trying to keep operational while
> you work on it.  That sounds difficult and risky.
>
>
> I have been building x86 computers for my SOHO network for many years.

I did also, until I discovered the atom based box for <$300 which are 
great for a one stop solution for the machinery controls.  So this 
phenom box was my last real build, 8 years (nominally) ago.

> I have found that it is useful to have several computers running and
> divide the functionality across them.  This makes operations and
> maintenance easier and more reliable:

This is a good outline, but I am out of room in this packrats lair.

> 1.  One firewall/ router running a purpose-build Linux distribution:
>
>   http://www.ipcop.org/

Switch it for a router running dd.wrt.

> 2.  One laptop with a small system drive (boot, swap, and root
> partitions; Wheezy).

I could probably bring in the lappy from the shop, it has mint 14 on it 
at the moment.  Bring it in and get an email agent working so I am not 
exactly 100% locked out of help on the net. Some house cleaning is in 
order to make room for it. Which I should probably get to already...

> 3.  One file and version control server with a small system drive (as
> above), plus a large HDD (one data partition).

You then maintain your own local mirrors of the repos you need?
>
> 4.  One backup server/ workbench machine with a small system drive (as
> above) and various hard drive mobile dock bays and I/O ports, plus
> several large HDD's (one backup partition each).
>
Using amanda here, which has the bare metal recovery covered.

>
> If you must fit everything into one machine (firewall, desktop, bulk
> data, backups), I would suggest removing all your drives (except
> optical), installing a small system drive, installing and configuring
> the OS, configuring the firewall, adding a 2 TB drive for bulk data,
> restoring your data, setting up user accounts, adding a 2 TB drive for
> backups, and importing your backups.

Small drive is relative, it will be a 1T Seagate thats about a year old.

This time I envision that 1T as a boot drive, the 2T as /home & /opt, and 
temporarily another 1T for amanda. That drive is at about 65% of 
capacity now & also has the shop machines included in its disklist.

But that drive now has >50,000 hours on it, so will likely be replaced by 
the 2nd 2T I just bought, in due time of course.

Anything wrong?

> David

Thanks David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Kushal Kumaran]

Brad Rogers  writes:

> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:40:47 +0100
> Darac Marjal  wrote:
>
> Hello Darac,
>
>>At the moment, "stable" is a pointer to "wheezy", "testing" points to
>>"jessie" and "unstable" points to sid.
>
> AIUI, that's the wrong way round.   Wheezy is a link to stable, jessie
> links to testing, etc.
>

No. See
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames

> Consider;  old-stable, stable, testing and unstable always exist.  The
> code names change meaning and fall out of use over time - with the
> exception of sid which is always linked to unstable.

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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[David Wright]

Quoting Brad Rogers (b...@fineby.me.uk):
> AIUI, that's the wrong way round.   Wheezy is a link to stable, jessie
> links to testing, etc.
> 
> Consider;  old-stable, stable, testing and unstable always exist.  The
> code names change meaning and fall out of use over time - with the
> exception of sid which is always linked to unstable.

In which case you don't understand it.

Please don't spread misinformation.

Debian codenames do not change and they don't fall out of use.
You can see all bar two at http://archive.debian.net/ where the
maintainer has forgotten to include buzz and rex (the files are
on the site).

It's trivial to do the following:

$ ftp ftp.debian.org
Connected to ftp.debian.org.
220 ftp.debian.org FTP server
Name (ftp.debian.org:deblis): anonymous 
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> cd debian
250 Directory successfully changed.
ftp> cd dists
250 Directory successfully changed.
ftp> ls
200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Here comes the directory listing.
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 11767 Jul 19  2014 Debian6.0.10 -> squeeze
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 11766 Jan 10 10:21 Debian7.8 -> wheezy
-rw-rw-r--1 1176 1176  723 Jan 10 10:19 README
drwxrwsr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 experimental
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:59 jessie
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 jessie-backports
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 jessie-proposed-updates
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 jessie-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 11767 May 04  2013 oldstable -> squeeze
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   24 May 04  2013 
oldstable-proposed-updates -> squeeze-proposed-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   15 May 04  2013 oldstable-updates -> 
squeeze-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   23 May 04  2013 proposed-updates -> 
wheezy-proposed-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   12 Aug 04  2008 rc-buggy -> experimental
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:59 sid
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Jul 19  2014 squeeze
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 squeeze-lts
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176   643072 Apr 16 14:58 squeeze-proposed-updates
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 squeeze-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 11766 May 04  2013 stable -> wheezy
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   16 May 05  2013 stable-backports -> 
wheezy-backports
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   23 May 04  2013 stable-proposed-updates 
-> wheezy-proposed-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   14 May 04  2013 stable-updates -> 
wheezy-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 11766 May 04  2013 testing -> jessie
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   23 May 04  2013 
testing-proposed-updates -> jessie-proposed-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 1176   14 Oct 15  2013 testing-updates -> 
jessie-updates
lrwxrwxrwx1 1176 11763 Nov 10  2007 unstable -> sid
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Jan 10 11:19 wheezy
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 wheezy-backports
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 wheezy-backports-sloppy
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176   163840 Apr 16 14:58 wheezy-proposed-updates
drwxr-sr-x5 1176 1176 4096 Apr 16 14:58 wheezy-updates
226 Directory send OK.
ftp> 

Cheers,
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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[David Christensen]

On 04/16/2015 07:23 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

With my history of mis-behaving install partitioners, you can bet the
farm on that! ;-)
I think the last things I do before starting the install, is to rsync the
currant /home and /opt directories to the new drive I just partitioned
and formatted as ext4.  Then I'll have a several hour battle trying to
expunge network-manager and making my networking Just Work(TM).
Then edit fstab to mount the LABEL = /opt drive on top of the /opt
directory is easy.  But Jessie will have installed some things in /home
and I am not convinced we have a mechanism/script I could apply to
update the image of wheezy's home on the LABEL=/home partition that will
not at that time, be mounted over the /home directory of the Jessie
install on the other to be main boot drive.
Perhaps that might be another of rsync's talents, only updating whats
different?  Man page study time I think.  And more caffiene, I'm a quart
low yet...
And one other question:  Can the installer deal with a drive that has no
partition table on it? I know for a fact that as it stands for wheezy,
that it will not accept, even if it can see it, another partitioners
partition tables.  It absolutely has to write its own table and nothing
a human can concoct will ever suit it.  Frankly, debian needs to get an
alaskan divorce from whatever its called and use gparted and be done
with it.


You have outlined a lot of complexity, and implied that it is all going 
into one machine that you are trying to keep operational while you work 
on it.  That sounds difficult and risky.



I have been building x86 computers for my SOHO network for many years. 
I have found that it is useful to have several computers running and 
divide the functionality across them.  This makes operations and 
maintenance easier and more reliable:


1.  One firewall/ router running a purpose-build Linux distribution:

http://www.ipcop.org/

2.  One laptop with a small system drive (boot, swap, and root 
partitions; Wheezy).


3.  One file and version control server with a small system drive (as 
above), plus a large HDD (one data partition).


4.  One backup server/ workbench machine with a small system drive (as 
above) and various hard drive mobile dock bays and I/O ports, plus 
several large HDD's (one backup partition each).



If you must fit everything into one machine (firewall, desktop, bulk 
data, backups), I would suggest removing all your drives (except 
optical), installing a small system drive, installing and configuring 
the OS, configuring the firewall, adding a 2 TB drive for bulk data, 
restoring your data, setting up user accounts, adding a 2 TB drive for 
backups, and importing your backups.



David


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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:40:47 +0100
Darac Marjal  wrote:

Hello Darac,

>At the moment, "stable" is a pointer to "wheezy", "testing" points to
>"jessie" and "unstable" points to sid.

AIUI, that's the wrong way round.   Wheezy is a link to stable, jessie
links to testing, etc.

Consider;  old-stable, stable, testing and unstable always exist.  The
code names change meaning and fall out of use over time - with the
exception of sid which is always linked to unstable.

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Re: Realtek firmware

[Ron]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:27:43 -0400
German  wrote:

> I don't think this is important what chip I have. I think that all realtek 
> firmware installs in one package. 

Excrept that some Realtek-chipped NICs do not work under Linux. 
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> On Thursday 16 April 2015 12:02:23 David Wright wrote:
> > Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> > > And one other question:  Can the installer deal with a drive that
> > > has no partition table on it? I know for a fact that as it stands
> > > for wheezy, that it will not accept, even if it can see it, another
> > > partitioners partition tables.  It absolutely has to write its own
> > > table and nothing a human can concoct will ever suit it.  Frankly,
> > > debian needs to get an alaskan divorce from whatever its called and
> > > use gparted and be done with it.
> >
> > I don't know the expression "alaskan divorce". Could it be where you
> > walk from the divorce court straight back to the registry office to
> > get re-married?
> 
> Aw gee, that expression is at least 30 years older than the internet!
[...]
> Told poorly, but that is the classic definition of an Alaskan Divorce.

Well I typed   alaskan   into urbandictionary but didn't dare click on
any of the suggestions below!

But my guess was a hint that Debian won't be getting rid of parted just yet.

Cheers,
David.


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boot-time messages, /init touch not found

[Mike Kupfer]

Hi, after updating a jessie VM, I noticed a message during boot, before
lightdm started.  The message was something like

  /init [stuff I didn't catch] touch: not found

After logging in, I tried using journalctl to find the message, with no
success.  Is journalctl the right tool to find the message?  If not,
what is?

thanks,
mike


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Re: Realtek firmware

[David Wright]

Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
> I don't think this is important what chip I have. I think that all realtek 
> firmware installs in one package. Right now I am wondering how to enable 
> non-free repo in Jessi. If you could tell me this, I'd appreciate it.

Put   main non-free   where you have   main   in /etc/apt/sources.list

Cheers,
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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 April 2015 12:02:23 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> > Then edit fstab to mount the LABEL = /opt drive on top of the /opt
> > directory is easy.  But Jessie will have installed some things in
> > /home and I am not convinced we have a mechanism/script I could
> > apply to update the image of wheezy's home on the LABEL=/home
> > partition that will not at that time, be mounted over the /home
> > directory of the Jessie install on the other to be main boot drive.
>
> I can't parse this, sorry.
>
> I can only guess that you *might* be referring to the situation where,
> by accident or design, you leave a separate /home partition unmounted
> while installing Debian on the root partition. On rebooting, d-i will
> be found to have placed
> /home//{.bash_logout,.bashrc,.profile} in / but it's a
> simple matter to boot single/recovery, move/remove
> /{.bash_logout,.bashrc,.profile} (if they offend you), and
> mount your home partition on the now empty /home (adjusting fstab to
> suit).

I think you have about covered it.  I was more concerned with the X, 
kde/tde stuff but you have the idea I believe.

> If that's not the case, please ignore the above rather than
> re-expounding what you really meant.
>
> > And one other question:  Can the installer deal with a drive that
> > has no partition table on it? I know for a fact that as it stands
> > for wheezy, that it will not accept, even if it can see it, another
> > partitioners partition tables.  It absolutely has to write its own
> > table and nothing a human can concoct will ever suit it.  Frankly,
> > debian needs to get an alaskan divorce from whatever its called and
> > use gparted and be done with it.
>
> I don't know the expression "alaskan divorce". Could it be where you
> walk from the divorce court straight back to the registry office to
> get re-married?

Aw gee, that expression is at least 30 years older than the internet!

I first heard about it in a letter my mother got from a friend of hers 
that had moved to the Anchorage area about 5 years before the quake in 
1952.  She wrote that in all the carnage the earthquake left that they 
had only had 2 Alaskan Divorces in the 3 months or so since the quake.
So mother wrote back for clarification.

Story goes like this:
Couple has been married long enough the honeymoon has slowed some, and 
have built a cabin overlooking their mining claim, which between it and 
subsistence hunting is feeding them well.  But it is, figuratively 
speaking, about 75 miles from the neighbors.  Used to the long winters 
but miss-calculated how many decks of cards, coffee, condoms and tobacco 
they would need.

Snowbound since about the first of October, they are out of condoms by 
the end of January, out of coffee by the end of February, tobacco by the 
middle of March & wore out the last deck of cards too somewhere along 
the way.  Somewhere around the first of April, before any thaw of 
consequence gives them hope for spring, one of them picks up the 30-06 
and gets a divorce.

Told poorly, but that is the classic definition of an Alaskan Divorce.

> Cheers,
> David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Curt]

On 2015-04-16, David Wright  wrote:
>
> I don't know the expression "alaskan divorce". Could it be where you
> walk from the divorce court straight back to the registry office to
> get re-married?

I'm not familiar with the expression either, but I think it refers to a
sudden, brutal separation of the kind provoked by a grizzly bear when
it takes a swipe at your head, thus disuniting the latter definitively from 
the neck.

> Cheers,
> David.
>
>


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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[David Wright]

Quoting Harry Putnam (rea...@newsguy.com):
> My current sources.list:
> 
> 
> ,
> | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
> |  
> | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
> | 
> | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> `
> 
> And a couple to keep certain wheeze software but not important for my question
> (included here just for completness only)
> ,
> | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> | 
> | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> `
> 
> In the first three, if I just change the word `jessie' to `testing' will
> that work seemlessly or lead to problems?
> 
> I'm a little loath to just test it for fear of causing immediate
> problems, I mean testing beyond an `aptitude update' after changing all
> occurences of `jessie' to testing.
> 
> Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
> any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
> thorough test?

At the moment, jessie is testing, so no change would be expected.
However, I've just checked to make sure all my source lists say
jessie, not testing. In 9 days time, testing could get like the wild
west because it will track stretch, not jessie. It doesn't sound like
you want that.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 12:05:54PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> My current sources.list:
> 
> 
> ,
> | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
> |  
> | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
> | 
> | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> `
> 
> And a couple to keep certain wheeze software but not important for my question
> (included here just for completness only)
> ,
> | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> | 
> | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> `
> 
> In the first three, if I just change the word `jessie' to `testing' will
> that work seemlessly or lead to problems?

At the moment, "stable" is a pointer to "wheezy", "testing" points to
"jessie" and "unstable" points to sid.

On the day of release, the pointers change. "stable" points to "jessie",
"testing" points to "stretch" and "unstable" stays pointing to "sid"
(Sid is always unstable).

So, if your apt-sources mention "wheezy", then you will remain on
wheezy, which will become "oldstable". You will see minimal changes on
the day of release.

If your apt-sources mention "stable" though, then on the day of release,
your stable will become the new stable and you will be automatically
updated to jessie. (I should mention, that this "automatic" only means
"next time you do an update").

The same SHOULD apply to other sources, too. "jessie/updates" and
"testing/updates" should be identical *at the moment*.

> 
> I'm a little loath to just test it for fear of causing immediate
> problems, I mean testing beyond an `aptitude update' after changing all
> occurences of `jessie' to testing.
> 
> Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
> any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
> thorough test?
> 
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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[David Wright]

Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):
> On 16/04/2015, David Wright  wrote:
> > Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):
> >
> >> bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
> >> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> >> [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
> >
> > I think you should concentrate on the string in brackets,
> > which appears on
> >
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/VIDEO/?&page=3

> Now, you say that, but, Ubuntu 14.04 shows two different sets of
> information, as shown in my preceding messages;
[...]
> So, what I deduce from this, is that the only difference between what
> you have posted, and, what I had previously posted, is that you have
> referred to the video component
> (" [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]")
> of the CPU that I had specified;
> ("AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4")

Yes.

> but, however it is interpreted, my deduction that both Debian 7 and
> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, appear to be lacking a(n adequate) driver for the
> particular CPU (given that it involves and includes, as an integral
> part, the " [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"
> graphics controller), appears to be reasonable and valid.

Oh, it can be worse than that. It has been claimed that the wireless
card whose details I just posted in another thread has a kernel driver
that should handle it. It doesn't. As can be seen in the posting, I
use ndiswrapper to wrap a manufacturer's proprietary windows driver
specific to that *chip*, and have to blacklist the kernel module so
it doesn't get linked in first.

I don't know whether you will have to get a manufacturer's driver,
nor whether you'll have to blacklist whatever driver is running the
video now; what was it, Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe?
Other people on the web might.

> I note that none of the web page URL's that you and I have cited,
> appear to link to, or, mention, a driver for the particular CPU or its
> incorporated graphics controller, for either Debian or Ubuntu, Linux.

Well, if you find one, so much the better. But it would be unusual to
find a graphics chip that has only ever been used with one CPU chip.

Cheers,
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Re: Realtek firmware

[German]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:08:18 +0200
Jean-Marc  wrote:

> Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:32:07 -0400
> German  écrivait :
> 
> > Hi all. What do I need to install Realtek firmware for my wireless card? 
> > Thanks
> 
> Check what is your chip using lspci
> 
> And send back the output of:
> lspci -v -s xx:xx.x (xx:xx.x = the bus:slot.function of the wifi device)

I don't think this is important what chip I have. I think that all realtek 
firmware installs in one package. Right now I am wondering how to enable 
non-free repo in Jessi. If you could tell me this, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> > 
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Re: Realtek firmware

[Jean-Marc]

Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:32:07 -0400
German  écrivait :

> Hi all. What do I need to install Realtek firmware for my wireless card? 
> Thanks

Check what is your chip using lspci

And send back the output of:
lspci -v -s xx:xx.x (xx:xx.x = the bus:slot.function of the wifi device)

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change sources.list to follow testing, not jessie

[Harry Putnam]

My current sources.list:


,
| deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
| deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
|  
| deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
| deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
| 
| deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
| deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
`

And a couple to keep certain wheeze software but not important for my question
(included here just for completness only)
,
| deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
| deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
| 
| deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
| deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
`

In the first three, if I just change the word `jessie' to `testing' will
that work seemlessly or lead to problems?

I'm a little loath to just test it for fear of causing immediate
problems, I mean testing beyond an `aptitude update' after changing all
occurences of `jessie' to testing.

Running `aptitude update' with the changes in place does not produce
any output that looks problematice (to me).  But maybe that is not a
thorough test?

---   ---   ---=---   ---   ---
`aptitude update' included for more experienced eyes to check:

(Oh, and incidently, can any one tell me what the indicator `Ign' just
below Get: 4 below means I mean beyond `Ignore'?

Does it mean I need to change something in my `sources.list'?)


Get: 1 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing InRelease [206 kB]
Get: 2 http://security.debian.org testing/updates InRelease [84.1 kB]
Get: 3 http://ftp.debian.org testing-updates InRelease [117 kB]
Get: 4 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates InRelease [103 kB]

Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy InRelease

Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg
Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release
Get: 5 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Sources [694 B]
Get: 6 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Sources [14 B]
Get: 7 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free Sources [14 B]
Get: 8 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main i386 Packages [516 B]
Get: 9 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib i386 Packages [14 B]
Get: 10 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free i386 Packages [14 B]
Get: 11 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Translation-en [14 B]
Get: 12 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Translation-en [360 B]
Get: 13 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free Translation-en [14 
B]
Get: 14 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources [168 kB]
Get: 15 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Sources [14 B]
Get: 16 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Sources [14 B]
Get: 17 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages [307 kB]
Get: 18 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib i386 Packages [14 B]
Get: 19 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free i386 Packages [14 B]
Get: 20 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en [523 B]
Get: 21 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en [172 kB]
Get: 22 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en [14 B]
Get: 23 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Sources/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
Get: 24 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Sources/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
Get: 25 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Sources/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
Get: 26 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
Get: 27 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib i386 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 
B]
Get: 28 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex 
[7,819 B]
Get: 29 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/contrib Translation-en/DiffIndex 
[7,819 B]
Get: 30 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Translation-en/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
Get: 31 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Translation-en/DiffIndex 
[7,819 B]
Get: 32 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-09-0246.06.pdiff [2,671 B]
Get: 33 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-09-1446.56.pdiff [71 B]
Get: 34 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-10-0246.55.pdiff [1,211 B]
Get: 35 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-10-1448.56.pdiff [413 B]
Get: 36 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-11-0243.50.pdiff [2,750 B]
Get: 37 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-12-0250.40.pdiff [2,513 B]
Get: 38 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-12-1444.23.pdiff [286 B]
Get: 39 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-13-0247.33.pdiff [3,505 B]
Get: 40 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-14-0249.52.pdiff [1,181 B]
Get: 41 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main 2015-04-14-1447.10.pdiff [33 B]
Get: 4

Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):

> Then edit fstab to mount the LABEL = /opt drive on top of the /opt 
> directory is easy.  But Jessie will have installed some things in /home 
> and I am not convinced we have a mechanism/script I could apply to 
> update the image of wheezy's home on the LABEL=/home partition that will 
> not at that time, be mounted over the /home directory of the Jessie 
> install on the other to be main boot drive.

I can't parse this, sorry.

I can only guess that you *might* be referring to the situation where,
by accident or design, you leave a separate /home partition unmounted
while installing Debian on the root partition. On rebooting, d-i will
be found to have placed /home//{.bash_logout,.bashrc,.profile}
in / but it's a simple matter to boot single/recovery, move/remove
/{.bash_logout,.bashrc,.profile} (if they offend you), and
mount your home partition on the now empty /home (adjusting fstab to suit).

If that's not the case, please ignore the above rather than
re-expounding what you really meant.

> And one other question:  Can the installer deal with a drive that has no 
> partition table on it? I know for a fact that as it stands for wheezy, 
> that it will not accept, even if it can see it, another partitioners 
> partition tables.  It absolutely has to write its own table and nothing 
> a human can concoct will ever suit it.  Frankly, debian needs to get an 
> alaskan divorce from whatever its called and use gparted and be done 
> with it.

I don't know the expression "alaskan divorce". Could it be where you
walk from the divorce court straight back to the registry office to
get re-married?

Cheers,
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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 16/04/2015, David Wright  wrote:
> Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):
>
>> bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
>> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
>> [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
>
> I think you should concentrate on the string in brackets,
> which appears on
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/VIDEO/?&page=3
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>


Now, you say that, but, Ubuntu 14.04 shows two different sets of
information, as shown in my preceding messages;


"

>> >>
>> >> I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
>> >> 14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
>> >> being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;
>> >>
>> >> from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have
>> >>
>> >> "
>> >> Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
>> >> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
>> >> "
>> >>
"

and, as you have mentioned above, from

"
"
bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
"
"


and

"
and, from the lshw output,

"
 *-pci:0
  description: Host bridge
  product: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
  physical id: 100
  bus info: pci@:00:00.0
  version: 00
  width: 32 bits
  clock: 33MHz
*-display UNCLAIMED
 description: VGA compatible controller
 product: Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]
 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
 physical id: 1
 bus info: pci@:00:01.0
 version: 00
 width: 64 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list
 configuration: latency=0
 resources: memory:e000-efff
memory:f000-f07f ioport:3000(size=256)
memory:f0c0-f0c3 memory:f0c8-f0c9

"
"


So, Ubuntu shows the CPU as being both
"AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4"
and
" [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"

unless, an AMD E2-6110 incorporates an AMD A4-6000 with R2 Graphics

?

But, the link that you sent, links to
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/1002%3A9852/

which has

"
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000
with R2 Graphics] Video
The Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000
with R2 Graphics] is under the Video category and is contained in the
certified systems below.
"


and, lists, as certified systems,

"
HP 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
HP 18 All-in-One PC Desktop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. AMD
"

and

"
HP Compaq 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
"


and the link that I have cited, for
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/

has

"
AMD processor AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics Processor
The AMD processor AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics is under
the Processor category and is contained in the certified systems
below.

HP 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
HP 18 All-in-One PC Desktop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. AMD
HP Compaq 15 Notebook PC Laptop
Pre-installed by manufacturer AMD processor Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd. AMD AMD
"

So, what I deduce from this, is that the only difference between what
you have posted, and, what I had previously posted, is that you have
referred to the video component
(" [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]")
of the CPU that I had specified;
("AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4")

but, however it is interpreted, my deduction that both Debian 7 and
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, appear to be lacking a(n adequate) driver for the
particular CPU (given that it involves and includes, as an integral
part, the " [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]"
graphics controller), appears to be reasonable and valid.

I note that none of the web page URL's that you and I have cited,
appear to link to, or, mention, a driver for the particular CPU or its
incorporated graphics controller, for either Debian or Ubuntu, Linux.

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Re: Realtek firmware

[David Wright]

Quoting German (gentger...@gmail.com):
> Hi all. What do I need to install Realtek firmware for my wireless card? 
> Thanks

That depends on the chip within it. You might post the output of
lspci -v though only the paragraph like this should be needed:

00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 
802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
Subsystem: ZyXEL Communications Corporation Device 8225
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
I/O ports at 1000 [size=256]
Memory at f400a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512]
Capabilities: 
Kernel driver in use: ndiswrapper

Cheers,
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Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-04-15 14:19:40 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Good to see people testing their tools.

Actually it is not a test of a tool, but a test to find for various
double-precision functions, the arguments that are the hardest to
round, in order to solve the Table Maker's Dilemma. Such values can
also be used to test libraries, as I did in the past:

  https://www.vinc17.net/research/testlibm/index.en.html

Though this is mainly related to correct rounding, I could also find
real bugs, such as:

  https://www.vinc17.net/research/testlibm/bug153548.en.html

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Re: Realtek firmware

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

enable non-free repo and install firmware-realtek

2015-04-16 22:32 GMT+08:00 German :
> Hi all. What do I need to install Realtek firmware for my wireless card? 
> Thanks
>
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Realtek firmware

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Hi all. What do I need to install Realtek firmware for my wireless card? Thanks

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Re: wheezy drive recognition?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 April 2015 02:02:44 David Christensen wrote:
> On 04/15/2015 08:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I finally found enough of a round tuit to burn the cd and try it.
> > Seatools found and tested all 3 drives, no hits no runs no errors.
> > ... 1. DON"T leave your cell phone plugged in ...
> > 2. that solved & rebooted, with one of the 2T's in the sdb slot,
> > gparted said it had NO partition table! ...
> > So, progress from the WV version of Lake Woebegone. :)
>
> It's good to hear that your hardware seems okay and you are making
> progress.  Please let us know what you find next.
>
>
> David

With my history of mis-behaving install partitioners, you can bet the 
farm on that! ;-)

I think the last things I do before starting the install, is to rsync the 
currant /home and /opt directories to the new drive I just partitioned 
and formatted as ext4.  Then I'll have a several hour battle trying to 
expunge network-manager and making my networking Just Work(TM).

Then edit fstab to mount the LABEL = /opt drive on top of the /opt 
directory is easy.  But Jessie will have installed some things in /home 
and I am not convinced we have a mechanism/script I could apply to 
update the image of wheezy's home on the LABEL=/home partition that will 
not at that time, be mounted over the /home directory of the Jessie 
install on the other to be main boot drive.

Perhaps that might be another of rsync's talents, only updating whats 
different?  Man page study time I think.  And more caffiene, I'm a quart 
low yet...

And one other question:  Can the installer deal with a drive that has no 
partition table on it? I know for a fact that as it stands for wheezy, 
that it will not accept, even if it can see it, another partitioners 
partition tables.  It absolutely has to write its own table and nothing 
a human can concoct will ever suit it.  Frankly, debian needs to get an 
alaskan divorce from whatever its called and use gparted and be done 
with it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[David Wright]

Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):

> bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$  lspci | grep -i vga
> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon APU A4-6000 with R2 Graphics]

I think you should concentrate on the string in brackets,
which appears on

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/VIDEO/?&page=3

Cheers,
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Re: Encrypting an External HDD

[Frédéric Marchal]

On Wednesday 15 April 2015 18:33:56, David Christensen wrote :
> On 04/15/2015 08:01 AM, ken wrote:
> > What options or features does one get by putting the LUKS container in a
> > partition rather than putting it on a raw drive?
> 
> I am not aware of any technical advantages or disadvantages of LUKS on a
> raw drive vs. LUKS on a partition.  For me, it's more a matter of
> personal habit/ psychology in the face of several computers, many
> drives, and changing conditions over the years.

Having a partition table may prevent other common OSes from assuming the disk 
is uninitialized if they happen to see the disk and propose to format it or, 
worst, format it without asking for permission to do so…

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Re: OpenVPN doesn't restart after sleep

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 15/04/15 13:32, lukn555 wrote:
> Hi Tony
> 
> Sorry for the late reply, I suffered the same but I only just found out
> how to fix this:
> 
> 
> 
> Add the following script to /lib/systemd/system-sleep (in case you are
> using systemd):
> 
> $ cat /lib/systemd/system-sleep/openvpn.sh
> #!/bin/bash
> case "$1" in
> post)
> /bin/systemctl restart openvpn
> ;;
> esac
> 
> 
> or the following script to /etc/pm/sleep.d in case you are still using
> sysv init:
> 
> $ cat /etc/pm/sleep.d/99openvpn
> #!/bin/bash
> case "$1" in
> resume|thaw)
> /etc/init.d/openvpn restart
> ;;
> esac
> 
> 
> Of coure in either case the script has to be executable (chmod +x)
> 
> hope this helps
> regards
> lukn
> 
> 

Thanks for your reply. It certainly helps; but I was already aware that
restarting OpenVPN was aa effective work-around. I hadn't got round to
doing it programatically, though.

However, whilst the work-around is effective, I would rather find out
what the underlying problem is, and correct that. If that fails, then,
yes, I'll use your script. So thanks very much!


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Fwd: Re: OpenVPN doesn't restart after sleep

[Tony van der Hoff]

Forward to list, having replied directly to Bob in error.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: OpenVPN doesn't restart after sleep
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:10:29 +0200
From: Tony van der Hoff 
To: Bob Proulx 

Thanks for your reply, Bob.
I have now risen from my sick-bed, and can once again make some sensible
judgements! Thanks for your patience.

On 03/04/15 00:11, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Tony van der Hoff wrote:
>> I have OpenVPN on my KDE Wheezy laptop configured to connect to my
>> wheezy VPS. When booting from scratch this works fine.
> 
> Works for me too.  Note that I am not using KDE however.  Doesn't seem
> like that should matter.  Unless you are using some KDE specific
> network something.
> 
Hmm, I am using KDE network Manager (V0.9.0.3) but am unaware of any
problems with it.

>> However, if I close the lid, thus putting the lappie into sleep mode,
>> then re-open it, OpenVPN appears to start, but I'm unable to access any
>> address outside of my local network, until I run > restart>.
> 
> You say "address" which sounds promising that you are actually talking
> about addresses explicitly.  But most people confuse names and
> addresses and mix them up in conversation.
> 
I meant 'addresses'  gives 100% packet loss.
 or  succeed as expected, so networking
is up.

> Do you have a caching nameserver installed?  bind9 or other?  Does
> restarting just bind9 also solve the problem?
> 
No name server on this laptop.

> When using a vpn you are also very likely using private resources
> behind that vpn.  

No, my setup is extremely simple. My only reason for using VPN is to
defeat geolocation filters. I use no resources on the remote host. It
does run a nameserver, but only for a subdomain, which I'm not trying to
access.

> If a ping to the address succeeds and the DNS lookup fails then you
> know the networking is okay.  I suspect this to be the problem.
> 
I'm not sure that I fully understand your logic, but no matter, it is
the entire network beyond my router that appears unresponsive. I think
DNS is a red herring.

> Another useful debugging hint is to run this in a text window and
> watch the display change.
> 
>   watch ip route show
> 
> Or the shortest save the keystrokes typing abbreviation.
> 
>   watch ip r
> 
> When the vpn is offline there won't be any routes for the tunnel
> devices.  After the vpn is established it will register routes
> corresponding to the tunnels.  Seeing them be dropped and established
> is useful for me to see when the tunnels become usable.
> 

The routing table is identical for the failing case and the non-failing one:
every 2.0s: ip route show

0.0.0.0/1 via 10.8.0.13 dev tun0
default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 proto static
10.8.0.1 via 10.8.0.13 dev tun0
10.8.0.13 dev tun0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.8.0.14
128.0.0.0/1 via 10.8.0.13 dev tun0
169.254.0.0/16 dev wlan0  scope link metric 1000
192.168.1.0/24 dev wlan0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.223

It does not change with time.
> Another useful debugging hint is to run this in a window and watch the
> log file.
> 
>   tail -F /var/log/syslog
> 
> That will display the actions of openvpn daemon as they are logged to
> the system log file.  Watching that will display what is happening as
> it happens.

This seems to be the most fruitful approach, but my networking knowledge
is severely challenged by the results:

Attachment 1: syslog -- After the wake-up from suspend.
Attachment 2: syslog2 -- after issuing openvpn restart.

Hope they make it through bendel.

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Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  sleep requested (sleeping: 
no  enabled: yes)
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  sleeping or disabling...
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  (wlan0): now unmanaged
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  (wlan0): device state 
change: activated -> unmanaged (reason 'sleeping') [100 10 37]
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  (wlan0): deactivating 
device (reason 'sleeping') [37]
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  (wlan0): canceled DHCP 
transaction, DHCP client pid 2007
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt kernel: [327812.194614] wlan0: deauthenticating from 
00:19:70:3a:d5:9d by local choice (reason=3)
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt kernel: [327812.234650] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to 
update world regulatory domain
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  (wlan0): cleaning up...
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt NetworkManager[2536]:  (wlan0): taking down 
device.
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt avahi-daemon[2492]: Withdrawing address record for 
192.168.1.223 on wlan0.
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt avahi-daemon[2492]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on 
interface wlan0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.223.
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt avahi-daemon[2492]: Interface wlan0.IPv4 no longer 
relevant for mDNS.
Apr 16 14:51:04 tony-lt avahi-daemon[2492]: Interface wlan0.IPv6 no longer 
relevant for mDNS.
Apr 16 14:51

javaws

[lina]

Hi all,

The problem raised when I tried to "Launch Jalview Desktop" in the
following website:

http://www.jalview.org/Help

at the top, right corner, there is "Launch Jalview Desktop".

It worked very well in the past.
But today it is just not work as expected.

I tried the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaws, it showed me that
Requesting JRE 1.7+.


I installed openjdk-8-jre from sid, but it didn't contain the javaws.


Any suggestions, thanks.


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KDE wallet keys

[Gary Dale]

I just installed Jessie/AMD64 on a refurbished laptop I acquired. Now I 
have to configure KDE wallet following its advice to use key-based 
authentication. I'm wondering what's the best practice for this?


Can anyone point me to a good how to on KDE wallet for laptops. Also, is 
there a method for sharing a wallet with a desktop?



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Re: I need guidance about how to configure a newly installed Jessie

[Gary Dale]

On 16/04/15 03:00 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:

I have installed various releases of debian many times. I have a local
proxy using approx that makes it very fast.

After posting about a lockup of my desktop Jessie computer, I realized
that whatever advice I got would I got would surely be more
complicated than just reinstalling from a backup that had been made
shortly after 5am yesterday morning using a CD of netinst rc2 that I
made shortly after it was announced. It is now 15min past midnight
local time.

I have four desktop machines running Jessie. I try to keep them a;;
upgraded on whenever new package versions are released. I thought it
would be fast and simple. I was very wrong. This install behaves very
differently in the following way: When I attempt to ssh into one of
the computers that was not re-installed, I get a complaint that:

@@@
@   WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED!  @
@@@
The RSA host key for gq has changed,
and the key for the corresponding IP address 192.168.1.12
is unknown. This could either mean that
DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host
and its host key have changed at the same time.
@@@
@WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
@@@
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
It is also possible that a host key has just been changed.
The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
51:cf:52:87:6f:13:43:50:73:29:2c:b4:34:11:cd:5c.
Please contact your system administrator.
Add correct host key in /home/pec/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Offending RSA key in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts:3
   remove with: ssh-keygen -f "/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts" -R gq
RSA host key for gq has changed and you have requested strict checking.
Host key verification failed.

I get this same complaint even after I remove the known_hosts file
entirely. How can the software retain the information that the offending
line is the third line? It must be doing more than the documentation
that I have says its doing, This is a home lan. I use a hosts file to
inform the several computers of the IP addresses of all the computers in
the LAN. The file is identical on all computers and hasn't changed sine
etch. In the past, I was given the option of typing the login password of the
computer that I want to log into, but not now.

I know about openssh-known-hosts. I think it has changed from last I used
it. Now there are plugins that have to be configured. I want to use the
rsync plugin because I know rsync rather well, but what is the procedure
for plugging a plugin into openssh-known-hosts? I can't find a man page.

I don't understand what I should do with the RSA 'fingerprint' doesn't
look at all like a legitimate line in a known_host file. How is it used?

Where is the source of this occult knowledge?

Why does the author of the WARNING presume that there is a different
person, other than the person reading the message who is the actual
'your system administration'? Has someone in NSA or CIA been assigned
to monitor me, and this message breaches global security because I
should not be allowed to know that I am being watch?

Help, please. Tell me what to read.
--
Paul E Condon
pecon...@mesanetworks.net


From my experience you get this error any time the IP address changes. 
If you are using DHCP, which most people do for workstations, this can 
crop up intermittently. Do what it says and "Add correct host key in 
/home/pec/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message".



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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 16/04/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:21:46 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>
>> On 16/04/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:46:46 +0800
>> > Bret Busby  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 14/04/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > In the Debian 7 installation on the Acer V3-772G, for
>> >> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Overview, it has
>> >> >
>> >> > "
>> >> > Processor: Intel Core i&-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz x 8
>> >> > Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
>> >> > "
>> >> >
>> >> > and, for
>> >> >
>> >> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Graphics, it has
>> >> >
>> >> > "
>> >> > Driver: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
>> >> > Experience: Fallback
>> >> > "
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
>> >> 14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
>> >> being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;
>> >>
>> >> from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have
>> >>
>> >> "
>> >> Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
>> >> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
>> >> "
>> >>
>> >> and the external monitor does not work with either Debian 7 or
>> >> Ubuntu 14.04LTS.
>> >>
>> >> So, whilst the Ubuntu web site shows the CPU to be certified as
>> >> compatible  - at
>> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/
>> >>
>> >> it appears to me, that both Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, do not
>> >> really have an adequate driver for that CPU ("Processor: AMD
>> >> E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4), as they both can not
>> >> drive an external monitor through it.
>> >
>> > I *seriously* doubt that the CPU has anything to do with it. It will
>> > either run x86 code (ie Debian/Ubuntu) or it won't. This is more
>> > likely a problem with the GPU driver, or the way X is set up.
>> >
>> > What output do you get from "xrandr" when you have booted the
>> > machine with the monitor connected?
>> >
>>
>> In Ubuntu 14.04 LTS;
>>
>> "
>> bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$ xrandr
>> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
>> Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1366 x 768, maximum 1366 x 768
>> default connected primary 1366x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>>1366x768   76.0*
>> "
>>
>> In Debian 7;
>>
>> "
>> bret@debian-Acer-E5-521:~$ xrandr
>> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
>> Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1368 x 768, maximum 1368 x 768
>> default connected 1368x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>>1366x7680.0
>>1368x7680.0*
>> "
>
> So X can only see one screen. I take it this is a laptop, and the
> screen X sees here is the internal screen? How is the other screen
> connected - HDMI, DVI, D-SUB, DP? I will see if I can get the time
> later today to read through all your previous messages on this and see
> what the outputs you have posted can tell me, right now the only thing
> I can think of is to try the AMD fglrx driver if you haven't already.
>
> If the GPU in your machine is a newer model, that might help. I would
> suggest you do a web search on the GPU model number, "radeon" and
> "second display" (all in one string), and see what you come up with -
> maybe the problem is a common one.
>
> Petter
>
> --
> "I'm ionized"
> "Are you sure?"
> "I'm positive."
>

the computer is an Acer E5-521-238Q laptop computer. The only screen
found by Linux (both Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04LTS) is the laptop
screen. The external monitor is a Dell ST2310, connected via HDMI.


-- 
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Armadale
West Australia
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"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:21:46 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 16/04/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:46:46 +0800
> > Bret Busby  wrote:
> >
> >> On 14/04/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> >
> >> > In the Debian 7 installation on the Acer V3-772G, for
> >> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Overview, it has
> >> >
> >> > "
> >> > Processor: Intel Core i&-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz x 8
> >> > Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
> >> > "
> >> >
> >> > and, for
> >> >
> >> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Graphics, it has
> >> >
> >> > "
> >> > Driver: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
> >> > Experience: Fallback
> >> > "
> >> >
> >>
> >> I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
> >> 14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
> >> being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;
> >>
> >> from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have
> >>
> >> "
> >> Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
> >> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
> >> "
> >>
> >> and the external monitor does not work with either Debian 7 or
> >> Ubuntu 14.04LTS.
> >>
> >> So, whilst the Ubuntu web site shows the CPU to be certified as
> >> compatible  - at
> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/
> >>
> >> it appears to me, that both Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, do not
> >> really have an adequate driver for that CPU ("Processor: AMD
> >> E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4), as they both can not
> >> drive an external monitor through it.
> >
> > I *seriously* doubt that the CPU has anything to do with it. It will
> > either run x86 code (ie Debian/Ubuntu) or it won't. This is more
> > likely a problem with the GPU driver, or the way X is set up.
> >
> > What output do you get from "xrandr" when you have booted the
> > machine with the monitor connected?
> >
> 
> In Ubuntu 14.04 LTS;
> 
> "
> bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$ xrandr
> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
> Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1366 x 768, maximum 1366 x 768
> default connected primary 1366x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>1366x768   76.0*
> "
> 
> In Debian 7;
> 
> "
> bret@debian-Acer-E5-521:~$ xrandr
> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
> Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1368 x 768, maximum 1368 x 768
> default connected 1368x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>1366x7680.0
>1368x7680.0*
> "

So X can only see one screen. I take it this is a laptop, and the
screen X sees here is the internal screen? How is the other screen
connected - HDMI, DVI, D-SUB, DP? I will see if I can get the time
later today to read through all your previous messages on this and see
what the outputs you have posted can tell me, right now the only thing
I can think of is to try the AMD fglrx driver if you haven't already.

If the GPU in your machine is a newer model, that might help. I would
suggest you do a web search on the GPU model number, "radeon" and
"second display" (all in one string), and see what you come up with -
maybe the problem is a common one.

Petter

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 16/04/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:46:46 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>
>> On 14/04/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> >
>> > In the Debian 7 installation on the Acer V3-772G, for
>> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Overview, it has
>> >
>> > "
>> > Processor: Intel Core i&-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz x 8
>> > Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
>> > "
>> >
>> > and, for
>> >
>> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Graphics, it has
>> >
>> > "
>> > Driver: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
>> > Experience: Fallback
>> > "
>> >
>>
>> I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
>> 14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
>> being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;
>>
>> from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have
>>
>> "
>> Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
>> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
>> "
>>
>> and the external monitor does not work with either Debian 7 or Ubuntu
>> 14.04LTS.
>>
>> So, whilst the Ubuntu web site shows the CPU to be certified as
>> compatible  - at
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/
>>
>> it appears to me, that both Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, do not
>> really have an adequate driver for that CPU ("Processor: AMD E2-6110
>> APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4), as they both can not drive an
>> external monitor through it.
>
> I *seriously* doubt that the CPU has anything to do with it. It will
> either run x86 code (ie Debian/Ubuntu) or it won't. This is more likely
> a problem with the GPU driver, or the way X is set up.
>
> What output do you get from "xrandr" when you have booted the machine
> with the monitor connected?
>

In Ubuntu 14.04 LTS;

"
bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$ xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1366 x 768, maximum 1366 x 768
default connected primary 1366x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
   1366x768   76.0*
"

In Debian 7;

"
bret@debian-Acer-E5-521:~$ xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1368 x 768, maximum 1368 x 768
default connected 1368x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
   1366x7680.0
   1368x7680.0*
"



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West Australia
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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:11:03 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:
> and, on this computer, as mentioned in a previous message, neither
> Debian 7, nor Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, can get the external monitor going, as
> neother seem to have an appropriate driver for the
> AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics × 4
> CPU .

You don't need a "driver" as such for a CPU, at most there are
microcode updates.

Petter

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Re: samba issue

[Pol Hallen]

I had a similar problem with samba (on jessie), but under slightly
different conditions. Under full load
the interface went down and it took several minutes to retrieve
connectivity.


hello and thanks for your reply :-)

I've same problem also if I set low bandwidth

my server has 3 different ethernet NICs, so I can exclude a driver 
problems...



Btw: I wouldn't specify any "socket options" unless you're having
performance problems. Under normal conditions the parameters are
automatically adjusted and manually tuning these parameters might worsen
you're performance (see man smb.conf).


ok thanks!

Pol


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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 15/04/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:



>
> On the Acer E5-521-238Q, which does not have Ubuntu installed, I have,
> for Debian 7,
>
> "
> root@debian-Acer-E5-521:/# grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver'
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> [25.144] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> [25.144]  compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 6.14.99
> [25.144]  Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> --
> [25.187] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> [25.188]  compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 6.14.99
> [25.188]  Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> --
> [25.196] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> [25.196]  compiled for 1.12.1, module version = 2.3.1
> [25.196]  Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> "
>
> and
>
> "
> root@debian-Acer-E5-521:/# lspci | grep -i vga
> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee
> ATI Device 9852
> "
>
> and
>
> "
> root@debian-Acer-E5-521:/# lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1566
> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee
> ATI Device 9852
> 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9840
> 00:02.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 156b
> 00:02.3 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 16h Processor
> Functions 5:1
> 00:02.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 16h Processor
> Functions 5:1
> 00:08.0 Encryption controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1537
> 00:10.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH USB XHCI
> Controller (rev 11)
> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH SATA
> Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
> 00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH USB EHCI
> Controller (rev 39)
> 00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH USB EHCI
> Controller (rev 39)
> 00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller (rev 42)
> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia
> Controller (rev 02)
> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge (rev 11)
> 00:14.7 SD Host controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH SD Flash
> Controller (rev 01)
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1580
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1581
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1582
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1583
> 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1584
> 00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Device 1585
> 01:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> Device 5287 (rev 01)
> 01:00.1 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 12)
> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9565
> Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
> "
>
> and, from the lshw output,
>
> "
>  *-pci:0
>   description: Host bridge
>   product: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
>   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
>   physical id: 100
>   bus info: pci@:00:00.0
>   version: 00
>   width: 32 bits
>   clock: 33MHz
> *-display UNCLAIMED
>  description: VGA compatible controller
>  product: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI
>  vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI
>  physical id: 1
>  bus info: pci@:00:01.0
>  version: 00
>  width: 64 bits
>  clock: 33MHz
>  capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master
> cap_list
>  configuration: latency=0
>  resources: memory:e000-efff
> memory:f000-f07f ioport:3000(size=256)
> memory:f0c0-f0c3 memory:f0c8-f0c9
> "
>

And now, having installed Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on the Acer E5-521-238Q
system, from Ubuntu, I have

"
bret@bret-Aspire-E5-521:~$ grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver'
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
[26.899] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[26.899]compiled for 1.15.1, module version = 7.3.0
[26.899]Module class: X.Org Video Driver
--
[27.023] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[27.023]compiled for 1.15.1, module version = 7.3.0
[27.023]Module class: X.Org Video Driver
--
[27.050] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[27.050]compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 0.8.1
[27.050]Module class: X.Org Video Driver
--
[27.083] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[27.083]compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 0.4.4
[27.083]Module class: X.Org Video Driver
--
[27.117] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[27.117]compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 2.3.3
[27.117]Module class: X.Org Video Driver
--
[27.119] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[27.119]compi

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:46:46 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 14/04/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > In the Debian 7 installation on the Acer V3-772G, for
> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Overview, it has
> >
> > "
> > Processor: Intel Core i&-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz x 8
> > Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
> > "
> >
> > and, for
> >
> > System -> Settings -> Details -> Graphics, it has
> >
> > "
> > Driver: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
> > Experience: Fallback
> > "
> >
> 
> I note that, having just installed (and presently updating) Ubuntu
> 14.04LTS, on the Acer E5-521-238Q, the same graphics drive shows as
> being used, as for Debian 7 on the Acer V3772G;
> 
> from System Settings -> Hardware -> Overview, I have
> 
> "
> Processor: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4
> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
> "
> 
> and the external monitor does not work with either Debian 7 or Ubuntu
> 14.04LTS.
> 
> So, whilst the Ubuntu web site shows the CPU to be certified as
> compatible  - at
> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/dmi/4365/dmi%3AAMDE2-6110APUwithAMDRadeonR2Graphics/
> 
> it appears to me, that both Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, do not
> really have an adequate driver for that CPU ("Processor: AMD E2-6110
> APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics x4), as they both can not drive an
> external monitor through it.

I *seriously* doubt that the CPU has anything to do with it. It will
either run x86 code (ie Debian/Ubuntu) or it won't. This is more likely
a problem with the GPU driver, or the way X is set up.

What output do you get from "xrandr" when you have booted the machine
with the monitor connected?

Petter

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I need guidance about how to configure a newly installed Jessie

[Paul E Condon]

I have installed various releases of debian many times. I have a local
proxy using approx that makes it very fast.

After posting about a lockup of my desktop Jessie computer, I realized
that whatever advice I got would I got would surely be more
complicated than just reinstalling from a backup that had been made
shortly after 5am yesterday morning using a CD of netinst rc2 that I
made shortly after it was announced. It is now 15min past midnight
local time.

I have four desktop machines running Jessie. I try to keep them a;;
upgraded on whenever new package versions are released. I thought it
would be fast and simple. I was very wrong. This install behaves very
differently in the following way: When I attempt to ssh into one of
the computers that was not re-installed, I get a complaint that:

@@@
@   WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED!  @
@@@
The RSA host key for gq has changed,
and the key for the corresponding IP address 192.168.1.12
is unknown. This could either mean that
DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host
and its host key have changed at the same time.
@@@
@WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
@@@
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
It is also possible that a host key has just been changed.
The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
51:cf:52:87:6f:13:43:50:73:29:2c:b4:34:11:cd:5c.
Please contact your system administrator.
Add correct host key in /home/pec/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Offending RSA key in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts:3
  remove with: ssh-keygen -f "/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts" -R gq
RSA host key for gq has changed and you have requested strict checking.
Host key verification failed.

I get this same complaint even after I remove the known_hosts file
entirely. How can the software retain the information that the offending
line is the third line? It must be doing more than the documentation
that I have says its doing, This is a home lan. I use a hosts file to
inform the several computers of the IP addresses of all the computers in
the LAN. The file is identical on all computers and hasn't changed sine
etch. In the past, I was given the option of typing the login password of the
computer that I want to log into, but not now.

I know about openssh-known-hosts. I think it has changed from last I used
it. Now there are plugins that have to be configured. I want to use the
rsync plugin because I know rsync rather well, but what is the procedure
for plugging a plugin into openssh-known-hosts? I can't find a man page.

I don't understand what I should do with the RSA 'fingerprint' doesn't
look at all like a legitimate line in a known_host file. How is it used?

Where is the source of this occult knowledge?

Why does the author of the WARNING presume that there is a different
person, other than the person reading the message who is the actual
'your system administration'? Has someone in NSA or CIA been assigned
to monitor me, and this message breaches global security because I
should not be allowed to know that I am being watch?

Help, please. Tell me what to read.
--
Paul E Condon
pecon...@mesanetworks.net


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