Re: Pooched on upgrading to new stable

2015-06-19 Thread Bob Bernstein

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, Don Armstrong wrote:

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Nice ikiwiki homepage!

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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread Doug



On 06/19/2015 07:04 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

On 6/19/15, notoneofmy  wrote:


Thanks a lot. I will give this a try. But to be clear, would this backup
the entire system and restore it, in the event of a crash of something
going horribly wrong? I'm hoping it to be like the Time Machine for
linux; is that what it does?



Just a related side-note'ish kinda thing. I learned the hard way that
for whatever *_CHOICE_* we each make for producing backups, *MANUALLY
VERIFY* that the product is capturing hidden files, as well..

A while back I mentioned I use rsync for my "backups", and I remember
someone had "objected", for lack of a better word this sec. I
cognitively wasn't able to grasp why outside of someone was advising
rsync as is isn't the best

The ah-ha moment came maybe a month or two later. I needed to rely on
my rsync produced backups. They #FAILed because the /home/user hidden
files were non-existent. While some files are easy enough to reproduce
in that case, it was the missing /home/user/.config directory shtuff
that was the absolute heartbreaker that fateful day. :)

A Life Lesson Learned the Hard Way... AGAIN. :D

Cindy :)



I missed the beginning of this thread. What is the recommended app to
backup an entire directory, WITH hidden files?

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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 6/19/15, notoneofmy  wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot. I will give this a try. But to be clear, would this backup
> the entire system and restore it, in the event of a crash of something
> going horribly wrong? I'm hoping it to be like the Time Machine for
> linux; is that what it does?


Just a related side-note'ish kinda thing. I learned the hard way that
for whatever *_CHOICE_* we each make for producing backups, *MANUALLY
VERIFY* that the product is capturing hidden files, as well..

A while back I mentioned I use rsync for my "backups", and I remember
someone had "objected", for lack of a better word this sec. I
cognitively wasn't able to grasp why outside of someone was advising
rsync as is isn't the best

The ah-ha moment came maybe a month or two later. I needed to rely on
my rsync produced backups. They #FAILed because the /home/user hidden
files were non-existent. While some files are easy enough to reproduce
in that case, it was the missing /home/user/.config directory shtuff
that was the absolute heartbreaker that fateful day. :)

A Life Lesson Learned the Hard Way... AGAIN. :D

Cindy :)

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Re: Pooched on upgrading to new stable

2015-06-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, Michael Bonert wrote:
> I decided to upgrade to the latest 'stable'.
> 
> On reboot, I see gdm3 launch in the boot sequence which presumably starts
> X11. I then get a black screen.  It is as if X11 loads -- but get stuck.  It
> doesn't crash.  I can't jump to a terminal.

You can use the single user mode (add single to the boot line in grub or
whatever you're using for the macbook) and check out what is going on in
/var/log/Xorg.0.log. Alternatively, you can try logging into the machine
remotely and viewing the same file.

That will give you more details about what precisely X is doing when it
fails. [Considering that this is a macbook, it wouldn't surprise me that
it was some driver or monitor related issue, as those machines don't get
tested very much by anyone.]

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Ric Moore

On 06/19/2015 05:58 AM, Bret Busby wrote:


ii  nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3
  Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime


Google this, for the love of $DEITY$

http://askubuntu.com/questions/363775/what-is-the-use-of-nvidia-prime


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Ric Moore

On 06/19/2015 02:07 PM, Reco wrote:


I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the
later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to
use a lesser computer.


Ah, I get it now. So, layman's terms put aside, you like to use GNOME2
and not GNOME3. And that Ubuntu's Unity is just not your cup of tea.
Well, they don't argue about tastes, as they say.
Ever tried this Mate thing? Same GNOME2, only it's supported (as of
wheezy and jessie) and every program is called funny.


THIS is what all of this boils down to? We've all been taken down this 
intellectual memory lane trip so you could use Gnome2? With space-age 
chipsets? I coulda had a V-8!  Ric




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Re: Still unable to get external monitor working on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 22:51:40 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 06/19/2015 02:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > No, it wouldn't solve the problem.  He can get Ubuntu going to his
> > satisfaction, but he cannot get Debian going to his satisfaction.
>
> ...running Squeeze, a 5 year old OS, while expecting it will be
> maintained at Wheezy/Jessie level. We've beaten that horse so much is
> approaches abuse to the gentle readers. :/ Ric

As I say, he can't get Debian going to *his* *satisfaction*. ;-)  I didn't say 
that his demands/expectations were reasonable!  

He says that he can't get Wheezy going either, but so far he has never 
actually done exactly what has been suggested.  I.e., he sets himself up to 
fail.  But he likes Ubuntu.  So the obvious solution is to use Ubuntu and 
stop flogging this poor already dead horse.  And since he likes Gnome 2 but 
not Unity, Ubuntu with Mate (or Cinnamon).

But that would (potentially) be a solution.  I don't think he likes solutions.

Lisi


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Ric Moore

On 06/19/2015 02:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:


No, it wouldn't solve the problem.  He can get Ubuntu going to his
satisfaction, but he cannot get Debian going to his satisfaction.


...running Squeeze, a 5 year old OS, while expecting it will be 
maintained at Wheezy/Jessie level. We've beaten that horse so much is 
approaches abuse to the gentle readers. :/ Ric



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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Ric Moore

On 06/19/2015 12:23 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote:

Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
"released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
stable, and "released".


If you don't like it, don't use it.  No-one is making you.


If he would just take "squeeze" out of the equation, it ~might~ help. 
From what I read it won't be a simple matter of installing a nvidia 
driver. He's got this video chip hybrid from Hell, and Bumblebee is 
~supposed~ to be the cure. If it were me, I would install Jessie so fast 
it would make your head spin. I would want my OS to be as recent as my 
chipsets (only two years old) Others report success, with Bumblebee, but 
there is quite a bit of hand-wringing going on. My two cents, Ric




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Re: libvirt, dnsmasq, and resolvconf

2015-06-19 Thread Ross Boylan
Laine Stump provided this useful info on the libvirt-users list:

This commit (which was included in libvirt 1.2.12) may help you to a
solution:


commit 298fa4858ced29e2c42681635a5a8dcd6da0b231
Author: Josh Stone 
Date:   Wed Dec 3 16:01:33 2014 -0800

network: Let domains be restricted to local DNS

This adds a new "localOnly" attribute on the domain element of the
network xml.  With this set to "yes", DNS requests under that domain
will only be resolved by libvirt's dnsmasq, never forwarded upstream.

This was how it worked before commit f69a6b987d616, and I found that
functionality useful.  For example, I have my host's NetworkManager
dnsmasq configured to forward that domain to libvirt's dnsmasq, so I can
easily resolve guest names from outside.  But if libvirt's dnsmasq
doesn't know a name and forwards it to the host, I'd get an endless
forwarding loop.  Now I can set localOnly="yes" to prevent the loop.

So it sounds like the proper thing to do is to set the localOnly
attribute and put the libvirt network in a subdomain, then point the
dnsmasq on the host to the libvirt dns for that subdomain.

[Comment by Ross: It seems this addresses my concern about a loop
between different copies of dnsmasq, at least if used with judicious
domain assignment.
Unfortunately, libvirt >= 1.2.12 is only available in stretch/testing,
which is currently at 1.2.16.]

Ross


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Re: Problems with 32 bit Jessie and Mate DE

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 21:03:44 Nick wrote:
> On 17/06/15 17:56, Curt wrote:
> > That's strange; I always thought you had to set the hardware clock
> > (hwclock) for the modified date and time to survive a reboot.
>
> I always thought the current time on the system clock was saved back to
> the hardware clock again during shutdown too.

That's what I understood.  (Mutatis mutandis for UTC and local time.)

Lisi


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Re: Problems with 32 bit Jessie and Mate DE

2015-06-19 Thread Nick
On 17/06/15 17:56, Curt wrote:
> That's strange; I always thought you had to set the hardware clock
> (hwclock) for the modified date and time to survive a reboot.
> 
> 

I always thought the current time on the system clock was saved back to
the hardware clock again during shutdown too.


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Re: Re: ThinkPad R51 creeping segmentation faults

2015-06-19 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 11:55 -0700, Paul Ausbeck wrote:
> for emacs23, or at least I can't find any. I'm not yet ready to install 
> emacs24 because I have some confidence that the problem won't occur with 
> emacs24,  just as it doesn't occur with my built emacs23. But I'll still 
> have the problem so I'm going to keep the native emacs23 for a bit 
> longer to see if I can come up with a more general solution.

Oh, my mistake then, you are running wheezy? 
I guess it didn't have -dbg for emacs back then. 

> seem to indicate some significant differences. Just for posterity, 
> does 
> anyone have any insight into how one can build the identical Debian 
> binary to that installed?

How did you build it, from upstream source? Debian might add patches
and use different configuration options. 

Even so, it's not really a guarantee for an identical binary, and I'm
guessing that compiling and stripping debug info, (to later load it
with gdb) might also interfere. 

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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Sven Hartge
Reco  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 20:38:12 +0200 Sven Hartge  wrote:


>> Maybe the USB hardware implementation is better in the N900? The one
>> in the Pi is quite bad and finicky.

> I happen to have Pi too. Not that I need an NFS server on it, NFS
> client is sufficient for my needs, but still.

  
>> In addition to that, data transfer via USB is quite CPU-intensive, as
>> Petter wrote and overwhelms the single CPU core of the Pi if it needs to
>> drive the SD card at the same time.

> Hm. I plugged an Ethernet cable into it, read and wrote a big file via
> NFS. Got consistent 50mbps.

Where did you write the file to and from? You said your Pi is a
NFS client so I assume you wrote a file to a server and read it back
from there.

> According to iperf, I could go as high as 82.2 mbps. Not the fair
> gigabit I have on this LAN, but close to theoretical 100mbit limit of
> the NIC.

iperf does no file I/O so nearly every CPU cylce can be used for the USB
transfer.

> During the NFS test, two kernel threads were the worst CPU
> consumers, kworker/0 and ksoftirqd/0.

> During the iperf test, the worst CPU consumers were iperf itself and
> ksoftirqd/0.

> According to the /proc/interrupts, the top interrupt consumer was
> IRQ32, which is:

> dwc_otg, dwc_otg_pcd, dwc_otg_hcd:usb1

That is the driver for the USB port, a DesignWare OnTheGo USB
controller. The controller is able to drive the USB port as either a
host or a client.

This chip and the driver are a constant "work in progress" and depending
on the kernel version and the firmware your luck with the USB port on
the Pi might be better or worse.

For example:
http://ludovicrousseau.blogspot.de/2014/04/usb-issues-with-raspberry-pi.html

So maybe by updating the bootloader and GPU firmware to the latest from
https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware one might be able to improve the
situation.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Sven Hartge
Reco  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 20:38:12 +0200 Sven Hartge  wrote:

> What I suspect was happening with your NFS server is the multiple
> knfsd threads in D-state (i.e. blocked by iowait by slof MMC card)
> *plus* this USB Ethernet interrupts. I'd start with lowering knfsd
> count.

That would also be my first step. I would lower RPCNFSDCOUNT to 2.

>> If the source or destination of the transmitted data is on an USB
>> medium it gets even worse because all USB ports share the same root
>> port on the SoC.

> I'm too lazy to check it, so I'll trust you on this.

Data enters the SoC through USB from the ethernet chip and then is
pushed out on the same shared bus to the USB disk. This absolutely kills
the Pi.

>> Besides: I always found the load on Linux NFS servers to be higher
>> than on a Samba-Server with equal throughput. I guess the calculation
>> of the load is different for the NFS kernel server process than for
>> userland fileservices.

> I have to trust you on this too. Never bothered myself with inferior
> network filesystems (Samba) due to the existence of superior one
> (NFS4).

Well, if you want to serve files to many different operating systems you
cannot always use the tools you want if you are not able to control the
protocol the client wants or need to speak.

> And, speaking of those network filesystems. Have you tried to use iSCSI
> to do whatever you're trying to do with NFS? What about a simple sshfs?

sshfs couples the problems of the USB network port with the slow ARM-CPU
doing crypto stuff. You won't win any speed records with that
combination.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 20:38:12 +0200
Sven Hartge  wrote:

> Reco  wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 02:47:20PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
> >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:09:45 +0200
> >> basti  wrote:
> >>> On 19.06.2015 14:03, Sven Hartge wrote:
>  basti  wrote:
> 
> > iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS
> > card (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).
> 
>  More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because
>  the CPU is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.
> 
>  Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to
>  45MBit/s, but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.
> 
> >>> The Problem is not the speed of 3 MB/s it's the load of 12 and more.
> >> 
> >> The load is so high because USB is very CPU-intensive. If you were to
> >> use the on-board Ethernet, you would not see such a high load.
> 
> > What? Are you serious? I have this Nokia N900 lying behind me which is
> > connected by IP-via-USB (aka usbnet aka g_ether) and with the order of
> > magnitude slower ARM CPU it reliably shows 40mbps with no noticeable
> > load.
> 
> Maybe the USB hardware implementation is better in the N900? The one in
> the Pi is quite bad and finicky.

I happen to have Pi too. Not that I need an NFS server on it, NFS
client is sufficient for my needs, but still.

 
> In addition to that, data transfer via USB is quite CPU-intensive, as
> Petter wrote and overwhelms the single CPU core of the Pi if it needs to
> drive the SD card at the same time.

Hm. I plugged an Ethernet cable into it, read and wrote a big file via
NFS. Got consistent 50mbps.

According to iperf, I could go as high as 82.2 mbps. Not the fair
gigabit I have on this LAN, but close to theoretical 100mbit limit of
the NIC.

During the NFS test, two kernel threads were the worst CPU
consumers, kworker/0 and ksoftirqd/0.

During the iperf test, the worst CPU consumers were iperf itself and
ksoftirqd/0.

According to the /proc/interrupts, the top interrupt consumer was
IRQ32, which is:

dwc_otg, dwc_otg_pcd, dwc_otg_hcd:usb1


On the other hand, a simple cat /dev/zero > file test provided me with
100% iowait, but no actual CPU usage. 


Perf mysteriously failed on me. It did record something, but 'perf
report' refused me to show anything. Must be something with this custom
Raspbian kernel.

So, I agree that using Pi's Ethernet interface eats CPU, but saying
'USB eats CPU' is oversimplifying thing quite a bit.
Specifically, if NFS is involved.


What I suspect was happening with your NFS server is the multiple knfsd
threads in D-state (i.e. blocked by iowait by slof MMC card) *plus*
this USB Ethernet interrupts. I'd start with lowering knfsd count.


> If the source or destination of the transmitted data is on an USB medium
> it gets even worse because all USB ports share the same root port on the
> SoC.

I'm too lazy to check it, so I'll trust you on this.


> Besides: I always found the load on Linux NFS servers to be higher than
> on a Samba-Server with equal throughput. I guess the calculation of the
> load is different for the NFS kernel server process than for userland
> fileservices.

I have to trust you on this too. Never bothered myself with inferior
network filesystems (Samba) due to the existence of superior one (NFS4).

And, speaking of those network filesystems. Have you tried to use iSCSI
to do whatever you're trying to do with NFS? What about a simple sshfs?

Reco


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Re: Re: ThinkPad R51 creeping segmentation faults

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Ausbeck
I apologize, Sven, for not following up on your suggestion. Or rather 
for not mentioning my followup in my last post. I did look at the 
available symbols packages. However, there aren't any symbols available 
for emacs23, or at least I can't find any. I'm not yet ready to install 
emacs24 because I have some confidence that the problem won't occur with 
emacs24,  just as it doesn't occur with my built emacs23. But I'll still 
have the problem so I'm going to keep the native emacs23 for a bit 
longer to see if I can come up with a more general solution.


Regards,

Paul Ausbeck


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Bug with xdg-utils / xdg-open / gvfs-open

2015-06-19 Thread Christoph Martens

Hey guys,

I wanted to report a bug, but reportbug is completely broken on Ubuntu.

So, I have the following issue with xdg-open, which is not the fault of 
xdg-utils, but an issue with gvfs: 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91027



Can somebody please file a bug accordingly? Everything that you need to 
know is inside the already reported bug. For end users that are not 
core-debian developers, filing a bug is close to impossible.



Regards from Germany,
Christoph


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Re: Moving from 56k modem

2015-06-19 Thread Sven Hartge
Reco  wrote:

> Please don't do so. Ssh only provides SOCKS4 proxy, and SOCKS4 can not tunnel
> DNS requests (or any UDP traffic for that matter).

How old is your information on that? Even in Squeeze the man-page for
ssh says:

,
| Currently the SOCKS4 and SOCKS5 protocols are supported, and ssh will
| act as a SOCKS server.
`

Grüße,
S°

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 19:40:11 Reco wrote:
>  Hi.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 19:31:56 +0100
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote:
> > > On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > > > On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote:
> > > >> Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
> > > >> "released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
> > > >> packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
> > > >> bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
> > > >> deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
> > > >> and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
> > > >> when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close
> > > >> down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs
> > > >> and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown
> > > >> of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over
> > > >> (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is
> > > >> decreed stable, and "released".
> > > >
> > > > If you don't like it, don't use it.  No-one is making you.
> > >
> > > And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software
> > > engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it
> > > leads to the disrepute of the IT industry.
> >
> > Nonsense.  It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes.  Most
> > people like Windows after all.
>
> I disagree. While most people use Windows, it may not involve liking.
> Most of the either don't care, or don't have a choice. And given such,
> they might use Macs or Linux as well.
>
> > Use something you like.  Don't complain about
> > something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit
> > you.
>
> IMO complaining is perfectly fine *as long* as it comes with
> constructive criticism. I agree that complaining for the sake of it is
> annoying :)
>
> > There is enough choice out there, after all.  Have you tried Ubuntu with
> > Mate?
>
> Or, better yet, Debian with Mate.

No, it wouldn't solve the problem.  He can get Ubuntu going to his 
satisfaction, but he cannot get Debian going to his satisfaction.

Lisi


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 19:31:56 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote:
> > On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > > On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote:
> > >> Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
> > >> "released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
> > >> packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
> > >> bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
> > >> deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
> > >> and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
> > >> when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
> > >> production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
> > >> maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
> > >> production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
> > >> long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
> > >> stable, and "released".
> > >
> > > If you don't like it, don't use it.  No-one is making you.
> >
> > And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software
> > engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it
> > leads to the disrepute of the IT industry.
> 
> Nonsense.  It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes.  Most 
> people like Windows after all. 

I disagree. While most people use Windows, it may not involve liking.
Most of the either don't care, or don't have a choice. And given such,
they might use Macs or Linux as well.


> Use something you like.  Don't complain about 
> something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit you. 

IMO complaining is perfectly fine *as long* as it comes with
constructive criticism. I agree that complaining for the sake of it is
annoying :)

 
> There is enough choice out there, after all.  Have you tried Ubuntu with 
> Mate?  

Or, better yet, Debian with Mate.

Reco


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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Sven Hartge
Reco  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 02:47:20PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:09:45 +0200
>> basti  wrote:
>>> On 19.06.2015 14:03, Sven Hartge wrote:
 basti  wrote:

> iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS
> card (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).

 More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because
 the CPU is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.

 Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to
 45MBit/s, but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.

>>> The Problem is not the speed of 3 MB/s it's the load of 12 and more.
>> 
>> The load is so high because USB is very CPU-intensive. If you were to
>> use the on-board Ethernet, you would not see such a high load.

> What? Are you serious? I have this Nokia N900 lying behind me which is
> connected by IP-via-USB (aka usbnet aka g_ether) and with the order of
> magnitude slower ARM CPU it reliably shows 40mbps with no noticeable
> load.

Maybe the USB hardware implementation is better in the N900? The one in
the Pi is quite bad and finicky.

In addition to that, data transfer via USB is quite CPU-intensive, as
Petter wrote and overwhelms the single CPU core of the Pi if it needs to
drive the SD card at the same time.

If the source or destination of the transmitted data is on an USB medium
it gets even worse because all USB ports share the same root port on the
SoC.

Besides: I always found the load on Linux NFS servers to be higher than
on a Samba-Server with equal throughput. I guess the calculation of the
load is different for the NFS kernel server process than for userland
fileservices.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote:
> On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote:
> >> Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
> >> "released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
> >> packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
> >> bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
> >> deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
> >> and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
> >> when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
> >> production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
> >> maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
> >> production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
> >> long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
> >> stable, and "released".
> >
> > If you don't like it, don't use it.  No-one is making you.
>
> And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software
> engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it
> leads to the disrepute of the IT industry.

Nonsense.  It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes.  Most 
people like Windows after all.  Use something you like.  Don't complain about 
something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit you. 

There is enough choice out there, after all.  Have you tried Ubuntu with Mate?  
It sounds as though that might be quite close to something you like.  But 
find something you like and stop complaining that Debian Stable is stable.

Lisi


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:45:42 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 20/06/2015, Reco  wrote:
> 
> >
> > And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian
> > oldstable?
> >
> 
> As should be shown by examining the full headers of this and other
> messages not explicitly sent from the Debian installations, I am using
> Ubuntu 12.04, except where necessary for attempts to get the Debian
> installations working.

I did not meant any offense, sorry just in case.
BTW which particular header do you have in mind? Because whatever MUA
you're using does not supply X-Mailer header. And judging by the lowest
'Received', this e-mail I'm replying to was send via GMail web
interface.


> I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the
> later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to
> use a lesser computer.

Ah, I get it now. So, layman's terms put aside, you like to use GNOME2
and not GNOME3. And that Ubuntu's Unity is just not your cup of tea.
Well, they don't argue about tastes, as they say.
Ever tried this Mate thing? Same GNOME2, only it's supported (as of
wheezy and jessie) and every program is called funny.

Reco


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote:
>> Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
>> "released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
>> packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
>> bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
>> deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
>> and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
>> when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
>> production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
>> maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
>> production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
>> long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
>> stable, and "released".
>
> If you don't like it, don't use it.  No-one is making you.
>

And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software
engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it
leads to the disrepute of the IT industry.

-- 
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Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 20/06/2015, Reco  wrote:

>
> And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian
> oldstable?
>

As should be shown by examining the full headers of this and other
messages not explicitly sent from the Debian installations, I am using
Ubuntu 12.04, except where necessary for attempts to get the Debian
installations working.

I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the
later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to
use a lesser computer.

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..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 20/06/2015, Curt  wrote:
> On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby  wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted,
>>> confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago?
>>
>> As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for
>> about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that
>> it can work with the external monitor.
>>
>> The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is  partly
>> functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with
>> Linux.
>
> The status of Debian Squeeze, you mean.

As has has been previously mentioned, it applies equally with Debian 7.

I had been trying for most of the last couple of years, to get it
working with Debian 7.

Because Debian 6 worked with another laptop of the same brand, with an
nvidia geforce gt device, I tried that on this computer.

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Icedove Mail Forwarding Problem

2015-06-19 Thread Thomas H. George
When I try to forward an email containing images Icedove does not send 
the images just some text about the images. Is there a setting I have 
wrong?  Nothing I find in preferences seems to relate to this.


There is a hack: Icedove will convert the email to a pdf file which can 
be attached to a message.


Tom


Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Curt
On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby  wrote:
>>
>> Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted,
>> confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago?
>
> As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for
> about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that
> it can work with the external monitor.
>
> The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is  partly
> functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with
> Linux.

The status of Debian Squeeze, you mean. As far as I know your
new-fangled graphical doohickey is not supported by Debian Squeeze.  The
latter is no longer evolving; it is in a security-support stasis which
precedes mummification. Backports appears to be of little help in
your case either.


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 23:54:12 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for
> about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that
> it can work with the external monitor.
> 
> The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is  partly
> functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with
> Linux.

Tough luck. I can recall multiple instances of hardware where Linux did
not boot at all.

If that particular hardware does not do whatever you need from it -
maybe it's time to get a different video card?


> Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
> "released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
> packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
> bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
> deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
> and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
> when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
> production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
> maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
> production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
> long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
> stable, and "released".

You've just quoted the definition of stable. Us, users of stable, like
it exactly the way it is. But - nobody is forcing to use it.
Don't like stable? Use testing. Or sid.


> And so,I have been trying for about two years, to get Debian Linux
> workiing on this computer, to the extent that it can, like Ubuntu
> 12.04, drive the external monitor, and transfer the display
> completely, to the external monitor, when the external monitor is
> connected.
> 
> And, I have not yet, been able to achieve that.

And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian
oldstable?

Reco


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote:
> Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
> "released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
> packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
> bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
> deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
> and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
> when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
> production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
> maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
> production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
> long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
> stable, and "released".

If you don't like it, don't use it.  No-one is making you.

Lisi


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:50:17 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>> I have attached a copy of the file from  the Debian 6 installation.
>
> It's not loading neither the nouveau nor the nvidia driver, is one of
> them correctly installed, and is the kernel module loaded?
>

As previously mentioned, in following advice previously given, as the
nvidia packages were not working to drive the external monitor, the
nvidia packages were removed, and installation of other various
solutions, including bumblebee, then intel drivers (I believe due to
the presence of an Intel inboard HD device in addition to the nvidia
device), were attempted.

Rebooting was done after each of removing and installing graphics
driver package sets.

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 you'll know what the answer means."
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 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Curt  wrote:
> On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to
>> it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part,
>> I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph.
>
> Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted,
> confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago?
>

As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for
about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that
it can work with the external monitor.

The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is  partly
functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with
Linux.

Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is
"released" and decreed stable, development of that version and its
packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only
bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are
deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned,
and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like
when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down
production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and
maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of
production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as
long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed
stable, and "released".

And so,I have been trying for about two years, to get Debian Linux
workiing on this computer, to the extent that it can, like Ubuntu
12.04, drive the external monitor, and transfer the display
completely, to the external monitor, when the external monitor is
connected.

And, I have not yet, been able to achieve that.

-- 
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Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread The Wanderer
On 06/19/2015 at 08:44 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:25:37 +0100 Michael Fothergill
>  wrote:
> 
>>> Do you have this package installed? What does "apt-cache policy
>>> linux-firmware-nonfree" say?
>>> 
>> 
>> ​It says unable to locate linux-firmware-nonfree
>> 
>> ie it's not installed I guess
> 
> That message means that apt-cache can't find that package at all. If
> you have recently added non-free to sources.list you will need to
> run "apt-get update". After doing that, it should be available to
> install via "apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree".

I noticed that the sources.list contents which were posted listed
'nonfree', with no hyphen.

Every other sources.list reference to non-free I've ever seen has
included the hyphen, and a quick test with dropping the hyphen on my own
system results in errors on 'apt-get update'.

I suspect that the omitted hyphen means his system is not actually
seeing non-free at all. I would suggest adding the hyphen and trying again.

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Re: Open URLs in Icedove emails in Iceweasel, how?

2015-06-19 Thread Christian Seiler

Am 2015-06-19 16:52, schrieb Ken Heard:

I am using Jessie with the latest versions of icedove (31.7.0-1) and
iceweasel (31.7.0esr-1~deb-8ul) installed.  update-alternatives
- --config x-www-browser already points to iceweasel %u.  In addition
file ~/mozilla/icedove/9vgk89rr.default/user.js contains the 
following

two lines:

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "iceweasel %u");
user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "iceweasel %u")

But still I cannot open URLs in icedove emails automatically in
iceweasel.  What else do I need to do to activate this feature?


You can try to set a default browser explicitly:

xdg-mime default iceweasel.desktop x-scheme-handler/http \
x-scheme-handler/https

Christian


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Open URLs in Icedove emails in Iceweasel, how?

2015-06-19 Thread Ken Heard
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I am using Jessie with the latest versions of icedove (31.7.0-1) and
iceweasel (31.7.0esr-1~deb-8ul) installed.  update-alternatives
- --config x-www-browser already points to iceweasel %u.  In addition
file ~/mozilla/icedove/9vgk89rr.default/user.js contains the following
two lines:

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "iceweasel %u");
user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "iceweasel %u")

But still I cannot open URLs in icedove emails automatically in
iceweasel.  What else do I need to do to activate this feature?

Regards and thanks in advance for any help provided,

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:50:17 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:
> I have attached a copy of the file from  the Debian 6 installation.

It's not loading neither the nouveau nor the nvidia driver, is one of
them correctly installed, and is the kernel module loaded?

For Squeeze, I simply do not know. There might not *be* a driver for
your GPU available for Squeeze. From what I can find at
packages.debian.org, it doesn't look like it. v295 from backports is
most likely far too old. The packages available from nVidia's website
will most likely not work in Squeeze, either, as your kernel and X will
be too old.

It would probably be more worthwhile to try and get something close to
v331 of the nvidia driver up and running on Wheezy. It seems the
version in Wheezy is 304, with 334 in backports. I would try the
backports one, if I were you:

http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

The package you want is called "nvidia-driver".

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kmail - where are the certificates stored

2015-06-19 Thread Hans
Dear debian users,

as I have some problem in kmail with TLS and smtp, I would like to delete the 
certificate for this special server without deleting the configuration for this 
server.

It would be nice, if you could tell me, where can I find the certificate(s) to 
delete this special one.

Thanks for the enlightening.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Curt
On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby  wrote:
>
> Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to
> it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part,
> I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph.

Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted,
confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago?

> See below for Ubuntu 12.04


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Re: Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Curt
On 2015-06-19, Steve Greig  wrote:
>
> Not trying to rant but trying to explain why I want to stick with Free
> Software despite technical challenges.
>

Well, then, do like Reco said to do.

Then,

apt-get update

followed by

apt-get -t wheezy-backports jmptfs

(this might pull in fuse or other dependency packages; just say yes)

Usage:

Make a mountpoint somewhere:

mkdir ~/android_phone

jmptfs android_phone
(after plugging your phone in to a usb port)

fusermount -u android_phone

to unmount

I thinks that's it anyway.


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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.06.2015 um 14:47 schrieb Petter Adsen:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:09:45 +0200
> basti  wrote:
> 
>> The Problem is not the speed of 3 MB/s it's the load of 12 and more.
>>
>> On 19.06.2015 14:03, Sven Hartge wrote:
>>> basti  wrote:
>>>
 iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS card
 (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).
>>> More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because the CPU
>>> is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.
>>>
>>> Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to 45MBit/s,
>>> but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.
> 
> The load is so high because USB is very CPU-intensive. If you were to
> use the on-board Ethernet, you would not see such a high load.

The pi has no on-board ethernet. The ethernet port is attached via USB.


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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 02:47:20PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:09:45 +0200
> basti  wrote:
> 
> > The Problem is not the speed of 3 MB/s it's the load of 12 and more.
> > 
> > On 19.06.2015 14:03, Sven Hartge wrote:
> > > basti  wrote:
> > >
> > >> iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS card
> > >> (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).
> > > More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because the CPU
> > > is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.
> > >
> > > Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to 45MBit/s,
> > > but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.
> 
> The load is so high because USB is very CPU-intensive. If you were to
> use the on-board Ethernet, you would not see such a high load.

What? Are you serious? I have this Nokia N900 lying behind me which is
connected by IP-via-USB (aka usbnet aka g_ether) and with the order of
magnitude slower ARM CPU it reliably shows 40mbps with no noticeable
load.

There are countless things I'd blame in this situation (large amounts of
sync I/O from knfsd, relatively small amount of memory for a NFS server,
HUEG read/write latency of MMC card), but blaming the type of Ethernet
connection is the last thing I'd do.

Regardless, there's a way to see the cause of all this trouble.
Relatively new, but demonstrative one:

perf record --a
perf report perf.data

Reco


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Re: Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 13:45:55 Steve Greig wrote:
> It does seem weird to me that transferring files between two computers is
> not be a basic function that does not require additional software to be
> downloaded.

It doesn't usually.

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Re: make oldconfig bzImage

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 13:50:54 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:10:16AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 19 June 2015 07:29:19 Dhiraj Bhor wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Ohh excuses for top posting.
> > > I read about top and bottom posting.
> > > Hope this will help.
> >
> > Except that you have also broken the threading and not quoted anything
> > useful. I have completely lost track of what the problem was.
> >
> > Each email should be basically self contained so that one can read it and
> > make out what is going on, because it contains all the needed information
> > in the right order.
>
> Don't be too tough. I recommended Dhiraj to come here after a short
> personal exchange, because I'm not a real expert in this topic. It would be
> a pity if (s)he gets treated badly here.
>
> I know, conventions and that. I too definitely prefer bottom posting and
> selective quoting, but no need to be unfriendly about that, IMHO.

I'm not being unfriendly about it.  But there is no way of knowing what he is 
on about.  So how do you expect anyone to help him?  I tried to look the 
thread up since he has quoted nothing, but the thread is broken.

Never mind.  I probably couldn't help anyway.  Perhaps those who can help are 
mind readers.

Lisi
>
> I'll look a bit into that this weekend, perhaps I have some ideas.
>
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Re: Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 01:45:55PM +0100, Steve Greig wrote:
>Thats right I am a newbie despite having used Linux for about 10 years. I
>seem to have found the apt-get system very tricky to get my head round.
> 
>It does seem weird to me that transferring files between two computers is
>not be a basic function that does not require additional software to be
>downloaded.

The problem that android have encountered is how to expose a file system
in an independent manner. Prior to android version 4.0, external storage
was FAT32 formatted and the connection was USB Mass Storage. This worked
well, as it was a lowest-common-denominator system.

However, as Android started to develop more security protocols, it was
seen that a more capable file system was needed. FAT is a very simple
filesystem and, while it's far enough for removable media, it's not
really suited as part of an operating system. So, what was the
alternative? FAT is, really, the only file system that is fully,
natively supported by all three major desktop operating systems (Linux,
MacOS and Windows). Anything else locks out part of the market. Add to
that the problem that, if you're switching to a fuller-featured
filesystem for security purposes, exposing that whole file system to
another operating system causes no end of problems.

So, in the end, android picked Microsoft's MTP protocol as a successor.
Think of this as being like an FTP server built into the device. It
doesn't matter what filesystem the device ACTUALLY uses, any operating
system taking to the device must speak a well-defined protocol that
exposes only certain aspects of the file system. There is no concept of
ownership or permissions in MTP, you can't run defragmenters or
filesystem checkers on MTP. All you can really do is list files, fetch
them and put them.

> 
>If you are too busy no worries as AirDroid is solving the problem. On
>their wesite they say: 'BY VISITING THE WEBSITES OR USING THE SERVICES IN
>ANY MANNER, YOU AGREE THAT YOU HAVE READ AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY AND A
>PARTY TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT TO THE EXCLUSION OF
>ALL OTHER TERMS'. Taken literally that is so absurd as to make me not want
>to depend on their software.. why should I read their terms before
>even visiting their website?

Also, HOW do you read their terms and conditions without visiting their
website? Are you supposed to write to them and ask for permission to use
the website?

> 
>Not trying to rant but trying to explain why I want to stick with Free
>Software despite technical challenges.
> 
>Steve
> 
>On 19 Jun 2015 12:27, "Lisi Reisz" <[1]lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  On Friday 19 June 2015 12:14:36 Steve Greig wrote:
>  > -- Forwarded message --
>  > From: Steve Greig <[2]greigst...@gmail.com>
>  > Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM
>  > Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone
>  > To: Stefan Pietsch <[3]stefan.piet...@lsexperts.de>
>  >
>  >
>  > Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took
>  was
>  > to add [4]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs to my sources.list
>  and
>  > then type apt-get install jmtpfs into the konsole. I have pasted the
>  > response to that below and after that the contents of my sources.list
>  (i
>  > tried with and without 'deb' in front of the line about jmtpfs in the
>  > sources.list but with the same error result).
>  >
>  > root@debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install jmtpfs
>  > Reading package lists... Error!
>  > E: Type '[5]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs' is not known on
>  line 17
>  > in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
>  > E: The list of sources could not be read.
>  > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>  > root@debian:/etc/apt#
>  >
>  >
>  > # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
>  > Binary-[6]1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main
>  >
>  > #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
>  > Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main
>  >
>  > deb [7]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
>  > deb-src [8]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
>  >
>  > deb [9]http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
>  > deb-src [10]http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
>  >
>  > # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
>  > deb [11]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
>  > deb-src [12]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
>  >
>  > #deb [13]http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
>  >
>  > deb [14]https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs
>  > ~
>  >
>  > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Stefan Pietsch
>  > <[15]stefan.piet...@lsexperts.de
>  >

Re: make oldconfig bzImage

2015-06-19 Thread tomas
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:10:16AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 19 June 2015 07:29:19 Dhiraj Bhor wrote:

[...]

> > Ohh excuses for top posting.
> > I read about top and bottom posting.
> > Hope this will help.
> 
> Except that you have also broken the threading and not quoted anything 
> useful.  
> I have completely lost track of what the problem was.
> 
> Each email should be basically self contained so that one can read it and 
> make 
> out what is going on, because it contains all the needed information in the 
> right order.

Don't be too tough. I recommended Dhiraj to come here after a short personal
exchange, because I'm not a real expert in this topic. It would be a pity
if (s)he gets treated badly here.

I know, conventions and that. I too definitely prefer bottom posting and
selective quoting, but no need to be unfriendly about that, IMHO.

I'll look a bit into that this weekend, perhaps I have some ideas.

Regards
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Re: Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:14:36PM +0100, Steve Greig wrote:
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Steve Greig 
> Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone
> To: Stefan Pietsch 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took was to
> add https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs to my sources.list and then type
> apt-get install jmtpfs into the konsole.

No, that's not how they do these things.
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs is merely a package
description, not a repository.


> I have pasted the response to that
> below and after that the contents of my sources.list (i tried with and without
> 'deb' in front of the line about jmtpfs in the sources.list but with the same
> error result).

Both should not work anyway. sources.list has a specific format,
violating it won't do you any good.

What you were meant to do is to add this to your sources.list:

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main

and run

apt-get update

apt-get install -t wheezy-backports jtmpfs

Reco


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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:09:45 +0200
basti  wrote:

> The Problem is not the speed of 3 MB/s it's the load of 12 and more.
> 
> On 19.06.2015 14:03, Sven Hartge wrote:
> > basti  wrote:
> >
> >> iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS card
> >> (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).
> > More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because the CPU
> > is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.
> >
> > Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to 45MBit/s,
> > but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.

The load is so high because USB is very CPU-intensive. If you were to
use the on-board Ethernet, you would not see such a high load.

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Re: Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Steve Greig
Thats right I am a newbie despite having used Linux for about 10 years. I
seem to have found the apt-get system very tricky to get my head round.

It does seem weird to me that transferring files between two computers is
not be a basic function that does not require additional software to be
downloaded.

If you are too busy no worries as AirDroid is solving the problem. On their
wesite they say: 'BY VISITING THE WEBSITES OR USING THE SERVICES IN ANY
MANNER, YOU AGREE THAT YOU HAVE READ AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY AND A PARTY
TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHER
TERMS'. Taken literally that is so absurd as to make me not want to depend
on their software.. why should I read their terms before even visiting
their website?

Not trying to rant but trying to explain why I want to stick with Free
Software despite technical challenges.

Steve
On 19 Jun 2015 12:27, "Lisi Reisz"  wrote:

> On Friday 19 June 2015 12:14:36 Steve Greig wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Steve Greig 
> > Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone
> > To: Stefan Pietsch 
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took
> was
> > to add https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs to my sources.list and
> > then type apt-get install jmtpfs into the konsole. I have pasted the
> > response to that below and after that the contents of my sources.list (i
> > tried with and without 'deb' in front of the line about jmtpfs in the
> > sources.list but with the same error result).
> >
> > root@debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install jmtpfs
> > Reading package lists... Error!
> > E: Type 'https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs' is not known on
> line 17
> > in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
> > E: The list of sources could not be read.
> > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
> > root@debian:/etc/apt#
> >
> >
> > # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
> > Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main
> >
> > #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
> > Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main
> >
> > deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
> > deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
> >
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
> > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
> >
> > # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> > deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
> > deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
> >
> > #deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
> >
> > deb https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs
> > ~
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Stefan Pietsch
> >  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 18.06.2015 15:47, Steve Greig wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > It would be great to have any ideas which could help me transfer
> files
> > > > to the phone (I am particularly keen to move music files at the
> > > > moment). I would be happy to use the command line but when I googled
> > > > that it looked very complicated.
> > >
> > > Have a look at jmtpfs.
> > >
> > > https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs
>
> As things stand, you can't install jmtpfs.  You would need backports.
> There
> are various things you would need to do!
>
> I am very busy over the next two days, and you need more than a quick
> answer.
>
> I'll get back onto you over this and spotify in a few days time if you have
> not already been satisfactorily helped and sorted out by then.
>
> You are clearly more of a newbie than some people are allowing for.   And
> jmtpfs may not be the only answer.
>
> Lisi
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Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:25:37 +0100
Michael Fothergill  wrote:

> > Do you have this package installed? What does "apt-cache policy
> > linux-firmware-nonfree" say?
> >
> 
> ​It says unable to locate linux-firmware-nonfree
> 
> ie it's not installed I guess

That message means that apt-cache can't find that package at all. If
you have recently added non-free to sources.list you will need to run
"apt-get update". After doing that, it should be available to install
via "apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree".

> ​I installed bootlogd but when I looked in /var/log there was no boot.log
> file

Did you reboot after installing bootlogd? You have to do that for it to
grab the messages.

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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread basti
The Problem is not the speed of 3 MB/s it's the load of 12 and more.

On 19.06.2015 14:03, Sven Hartge wrote:
> basti  wrote:
>
>> iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS card
>> (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).
> More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because the CPU
> is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.
>
> Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to 45MBit/s,
> but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.
>
> Grüße,
> Sven.
>


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Re: NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread Sven Hartge
basti  wrote:

> iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS card
> (10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).

More than 3MByte/s is not really achievable with a Pi-1, because the CPU
is very weak and the Ethernet-Chip is attached via USB.

Under the best conditions you may be able to transfer up to 45MBit/s,
but a maximum transfer rate of about 35MBit/s is normal.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread Michael Fothergill
>
>
>> Also, what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say?
>>
>

​It says:​


​BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.14-2-amd64
root=UUID=26e72a74-ba29-4936-b388-3876839bc56b ro quiet​

​

Regards

MF​

​​
>>
>> Petter
>>
>> --
>> "I'm ionized"
>> "Are you sure?"
>> "I'm positive."
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 12:14:36 Steve Greig wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Steve Greig 
> Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone
> To: Stefan Pietsch 
>
>
> Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took was
> to add https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs to my sources.list and
> then type apt-get install jmtpfs into the konsole. I have pasted the
> response to that below and after that the contents of my sources.list (i
> tried with and without 'deb' in front of the line about jmtpfs in the
> sources.list but with the same error result).
>
> root@debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install jmtpfs
> Reading package lists... Error!
> E: Type 'https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs' is not known on line 17
> in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
> E: The list of sources could not be read.
> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
> root@debian:/etc/apt#
>
>
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
> Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main
>
> #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
> Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main
>
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
> deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
>
> # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
> deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
>
> #deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
>
> deb https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs
> ~
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Stefan Pietsch
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > On 18.06.2015 15:47, Steve Greig wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > It would be great to have any ideas which could help me transfer files
> > > to the phone (I am particularly keen to move music files at the
> > > moment). I would be happy to use the command line but when I googled
> > > that it looked very complicated.
> >
> > Have a look at jmtpfs.
> >
> > https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs

As things stand, you can't install jmtpfs.  You would need backports.  There 
are various things you would need to do!

I am very busy over the next two days, and you need more than a quick answer.

I'll get back onto you over this and spotify in a few days time if you have 
not already been satisfactorily helped and sorted out by then.

You are clearly more of a newbie than some people are allowing for.   And 
jmtpfs may not be the only answer.

Lisi


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Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread Michael Fothergill
> > > linux-firmware-nonfree package, in case you don't have this installed.
>
> Do you have this package installed? What does "apt-cache policy
> linux-firmware-nonfree" say?
>

​It says unable to locate linux-firmware-nonfree

ie it's not installed I guess
​


>
> > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64
> DVD
> > Binary-1 20150518-05:37]/ stretch contrib main
>
> You can comment this one out. Also, the lines for Jessie might as well
> be removed so you don't accidentally uncomment them at some point. Keep
> a backup of the whole file if you want to keep a record of them.
>
> > ​Does the above look OK or is it a bit addled in some way?
>
> It looks OK, I don't think your problem has anything to do with this.
>
> If you install the package "bootlogd" you will get a file
> called /var/log/boot.log after your next boot with all boot messages.
>

​I installed bootlogd but when I looked in /var/log there was no boot.log
file

There was a file called boot that was empty



> You might want to remove "quiet" from the line with
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub to
> see messages during boot.
>

​I have done so.​

​

Regards MF​



> Also, what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say?
>
> Petter
>
> --
> "I'm ionized"
> "Are you sure?"
> "I'm positive."
>


Pooched on upgrading to new stable

2015-06-19 Thread Michael Bonert

I decided to upgrade to the latest 'stable'.

On reboot, I see gdm3 launch in the boot sequence which presumably  
starts X11. I then get a black screen.  It is as if X11 loads -- but  
get stuck.  It doesn't crash.  I can't jump to a terminal.


I have tried the key combos to kill X11 (ctrl-alt-bkspace) … that  
didn't do anything.  Interesting is that the mouse lights up when I  
move it.  I don't see a cursor of any kind.  I can adjust the  
backlighting of the keyboard... so, I know the keyboard works.


I tried booting with a i386 netinst disk (version 7.6.0)... I got to  
safe mode and I try to launch a shell -- but that fails?!?!


Preceding said, I'm not sure what to do I did get a prompt in rescue.  
I presume I have to disable gdm3 & X11 somehow... so I can get to a  
prompt when I boot the machine from the hard drive.


I've had problems with X11 over the years with different computers on  
Debian... but never anything quite like this. Usually when X11  
fails... you get booted back to the command line and have a shot at  
fixing it.


Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,
Michael

System - MacBookPro 2011 ?
Debian - previous stable i686


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Fwd: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone

2015-06-19 Thread Steve Greig
-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Greig 
Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone
To: Stefan Pietsch 


Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took was
to add https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs to my sources.list and
then type apt-get install jmtpfs into the konsole. I have pasted the
response to that below and after that the contents of my sources.list (i
tried with and without 'deb' in front of the line about jmtpfs in the
sources.list but with the same error result).

root@debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install jmtpfs
Reading package lists... Error!
E: Type 'https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs' is not known on line 17
in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.
E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
root@debian:/etc/apt#


# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 kde-CD
Binary-1 20130615-23:04]/ wheezy main

deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main

deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main

# wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main

#deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free

deb https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs
~

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Stefan Pietsch  wrote:

> On 18.06.2015 15:47, Steve Greig wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > It would be great to have any ideas which could help me transfer files
> > to the phone (I am particularly keen to move music files at the moment).
> > I would be happy to use the command line but when I googled that it
> > looked very complicated.
>
>
> Have a look at jmtpfs.
>
> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/jmtpfs
>
>
> Regards,
> Stefan
>


NFS on Raspberry Pi high load

2015-06-19 Thread basti
Hello,
perhaps thats a bit OT but I can't found a Rasbian or RaspberryPi
related mailinglist.

Per default nfs starts with 8 servers

root@raspberrypi:~# head -n 2 /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
# Number of servers to start up
RPCNFSDCOUNT=8

So I try to transfer a 3GB file from the raspberry to my laptop via WLAN(n).
This operation kills my raspberry.
I get a load of 12 and more. 10 Minutes after I interrupt this operation
the load was still at 10.
So I deside to reduce the number of servers to 2. Now it's a bit better,
the load is only around 5.

iotop show me a read speed around 3 MB/s, there is a Class 10 UHS card
(10-15 MB/s read, 9-5 MB/s write I guess).

Test on "Pi 1 model B" with 512MB RAM.

Can somebody reproduce this behavior?

Thanks a lot.
Regards Basti


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Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:51:43 +0100
Michael Fothergill  wrote:

> >   I'm running this chip with unstable and it boots fine.
> > Looks like testing and unstable are on the same X.org currently, but
> > unstable is using a newer kernel.
> >
> > Also I see something in dmesg about kaveri firmware being loaded, which I
> > believe is provided by the
> > linux-firmware-nonfree package, in case you don't have this installed.

Do you have this package installed? What does "apt-cache policy
linux-firmware-nonfree" say?

> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD
> Binary-1 20150518-05:37]/ stretch contrib main

You can comment this one out. Also, the lines for Jessie might as well
be removed so you don't accidentally uncomment them at some point. Keep
a backup of the whole file if you want to keep a record of them.

> ​Does the above look OK or is it a bit addled in some way?

It looks OK, I don't think your problem has anything to do with this.

If you install the package "bootlogd" you will get a file
called /var/log/boot.log after your next boot with all boot messages.

You might want to remove "quiet" from the line with
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub to
see messages during boot.

Also, what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say?

Petter

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Re: make oldconfig bzImage

2015-06-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 19 June 2015 07:29:19 Dhiraj Bhor wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Ric Moore  wrote:
> > On 06/19/2015 01:23 AM, Dhiraj Bhor wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Still no luck so far.
> >> Can someone help../
> >
> > You'll get much more help if you respect the no-top-posting meme of this
> > list. Ric
> >
> >
> > --
> > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
> > "There are two Great Sins in the world.the Sin of Ignorance, and the
> > Sin of Stupidity.
> > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> > http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
> >
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> Ohh excuses for top posting.
> I read about top and bottom posting.
> Hope this will help.

Except that you have also broken the threading and not quoted anything useful.  
I have completely lost track of what the problem was.

Each email should be basically self contained so that one can read it and make 
out what is going on, because it contains all the needed information in the 
right order.

Lisi


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
>> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800
>>> Bret Busby  wrote:
>>>
 On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
 > How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can
 > read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run
 > "xrandr" (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects.
 > If "xrandr" is able to detect both outputs it should just be a
 > matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem
 > with the driver.
 >
 > At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer
 > kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going
 > there would be a lot better than with Squeeze.
 >
 > Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine
 > which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are
 > usually called "nvidia-xxx", then do "apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx"
 > on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same
 > for Wheezy.
 >

 "
 -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx
 N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx
 "
>>>
>>> The "xxx" should be replaced by the major version number you are using.
>>> Try "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" to see what packages are installed, then
>>> use "apt-cache policy" to determine the full version of the one that is
>>> installed.
>>>
>>
>> "
>> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia
>> ii  nvidia-331  331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
>>  NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU
>> library
>> ii  nvidia-331-updates  331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
>>  NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU
>> library
>> ii  nvidia-common   1:0.2.44.2
>>  Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
>> ii  nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3
>>  Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
>> ii  nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1
>>  Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
>> bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy


I apologise - I appear to have lost the plot and simply got too confused.

I think this is what was sought;

"
bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-331
nvidia-331:
  Installed: 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
  Candidate: 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
  Version table:
 *** 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 0
500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
precise-updates/restricted amd64 Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
precise-security/restricted amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

"

>
>
> And from Debian 6;
>
> "
> root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# dpkg -l | grep nvidia
> rc  nvidia-glx   195.36.31-6squeeze2
> NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
> rc  nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64
> 195.36.31+4+6squeeze2+2.6.32-45   NVIDIA binary kernel module for
> Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64
> "
>
> "
> root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy

Similarly, obtaining and sending that, was apparently erroneous, with
what I believe was sought, was instead thus;


>
> "
> root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-195
> N: Unable to locate package nvidia-195
> root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-195.36.31
> N: Unable to locate package nvidia-195.36.31
> N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'nvidia-195.36.31'
> "
>
>


I apologise again - I appear to have got too confused.

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 you'll know what the answer means."
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 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
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 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800
>> Bret Busby  wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>>> > How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can
>>> > read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run
>>> > "xrandr" (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects.
>>> > If "xrandr" is able to detect both outputs it should just be a
>>> > matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem
>>> > with the driver.
>>> >
>>> > At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer
>>> > kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going
>>> > there would be a lot better than with Squeeze.
>>> >
>>> > Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine
>>> > which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are
>>> > usually called "nvidia-xxx", then do "apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx"
>>> > on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same
>>> > for Wheezy.
>>> >
>>>
>>> "
>>> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx
>>> N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx
>>> "
>>
>> The "xxx" should be replaced by the major version number you are using.
>> Try "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" to see what packages are installed, then
>> use "apt-cache policy" to determine the full version of the one that is
>> installed.
>>
>
> "
> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia
> ii  nvidia-331  331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
>  NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU
> library
> ii  nvidia-331-updates  331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
>  NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU
> library
> ii  nvidia-common   1:0.2.44.2
>  Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
> ii  nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3
>  Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
> ii  nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1
>  Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
> bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy
> Package files:
>  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>  release a=now
>  500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free i386 Packages
>  release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web
> browser,c=non-free
>  origin deb.opera.com
>  500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free amd64 Packages
>  release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web
> browser,c=non-free
>  origin deb.opera.com
>  500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application
> Review Board PPA,c=main
>  origin extras.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application
> Review Board PPA,c=main
>  origin extras.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe
> Translation-en
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted
> Translation-en
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse
> Translation-en
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main
> Translation-en
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse
> i386 Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe i386
> Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted
> i386 Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main i386 Packages
>  release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse
> amd64 Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe amd64
> Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted
> amd64 Packages
>  release
> v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted
>  origin security.ubuntu.com
>  500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main amd64
> Packages
>  release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main
>  origin security.ubuntu

Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread Michael Fothergill
>   I'm running this chip with unstable and it boots fine.
> Looks like testing and unstable are on the same X.org currently, but
> unstable is using a newer kernel.
>
> Also I see something in dmesg about kaveri firmware being loaded, which I
> believe is provided by the
> linux-firmware-nonfree package, in case you don't have this installed.
>


​I added some nonfree entries to my sources.list file:​



> #

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64
DVD Binary-1 20140908-06:10]/ jessie contrib main

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD
Binary-1 20140908-06:10]/ jessie contrib main

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD
Binary-1 20150518-05:37]/ stretch contrib main
#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64
NETINST Binary-1 20150518-05:36]/ stretch main
deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ stretch main contrib nonfree
deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ stretch main contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib nonfree
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib

 #jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
#deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib
#deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib

# jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
#deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib
#deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-backports main
contrib​


​Does the above look OK or is it a bit addled in some way?

Regards

MF​



Looks like Petter has a better handle on this stuff than I do, so follow
> his instructions for getting
> the system to boot to the command line.
>
> Later, Seeker
>




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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>
>>> > Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be
>>> > helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ.
>>> >
>>>
>>> "
>>> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log
>>> cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
>>> "
>>
>> If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the
>> full path to that file.
>>
>
> Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to
> it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part,
> I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph.
>
> See below for Ubuntu 12.04
>
>


I have attached a copy of the file from  the Debian 6 installation.

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X.Org X Server 1.7.7
Release Date: 2010-05-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian
Current Operating System: Linux bret-av3-772g-deb6 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed 
Jun 17 16:09:06 UTC 2015 x86_64
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 
root=UUID=7bdcb7bd-53ac-4902-89b4-7bba86a03430 ro quiet nomodeset
Build Date: 01 May 2015  10:02:25AM
xorg-server 2:1.7.7-18+deb6u3 (Mike Gabriel ) 
Current version of pixman: 0.16.4
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Jun 19 17:40:55 2015
(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
(==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
(==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor ""
(==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
Using a default monitor configuration.
(==) Automatically adding devices
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(==) FontPath set to:
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,
built-ins
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
(II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable 
AutoAddDevices.
(II) Loader magic: 0x7c8bc0
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
X.Org Video Driver: 6.0
X.Org XInput driver : 7.0
X.Org Server Extension : 2.0
(++) using VT number 7

(--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 Intel Corporation rev 6, Mem @ 
0xd300/4194304, 0xc000/268435456, I/O @ 0x5000/64
(--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:0fe4:1025:0781 nVidia Corporation rev 161, Mem @ 
0xd200/16777216, 0xa000/268435456, 0xb000/33554432, I/O @ 
0x4000/128, BIOS @ 0x/524288
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension SELinux
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
(II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Server Extension
(II) NVIDIA GLX Module  346.72  Tue May  5 17:11:15 PDT 2015
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
(II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13

Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-06-19 Thread Michael Fothergill
>
> So you're still not getting modesetting. Are you sure you booted
> *without* "nomodeset" on the kernel line?
>
> > The dmesg file was empty.
>
> Strange.
>
> Petter
>
> ​I haven't tried the nomodeset thing yet.

My sources.list file looks like this:

​#

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64
DVD Binary-1 20140908-06:10]/ jessie contrib main

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD
Binary-1 20140908-06:10]/ jessie contrib main

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD
Binary-1 20150518-05:37]/ stretch contrib main
#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64
NETINST Binary-1 20150518-05:36]/ stretch main
deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ stretch main contrib nonfree
deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ stretch main contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib nonfree
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib

 #jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
#deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib
#deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib

# jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
#deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib
#deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ jessie-backports main
contrib


​I added some nonfree entries in case that would help with the firmware
problem

Regards

MF​





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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
>> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800
>>> Bret Busby  wrote:
 I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
 the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
 installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
 Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>>>
>>> How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read
>>> through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run "xrandr" (when
>>> both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If "xrandr" is able
>>> to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if
>>> not then that would suggest a problem with the driver.
>>>
>>
>> On Debian 6;
>>
>> "
>> :~# xrandr
>> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
>> Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
>> default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>>1920x1080   0.0*
>> "
>>
>>
>
>
> And on Debian 7;
>
> "
> :~# xrandr
> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
> Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
> default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>1920x1080   0.0*
> "
>


On Ubuntu 12.04;

"
bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 32767 x 32767
eDP1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
   1920x1080  60.0 +   59.9
   1680x1050  60.0 59.9
   1600x1024  60.2
   1400x1050  60.0
   1280x1024  60.0
   1440x900   59.9
   1280x960   60.0
   1360x768   59.8 60.0
   1152x864   60.0
   1024x768   60.0
   800x60060.3 56.2
   640x48059.9
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x
axis y axis) 510mm x 287mm
   1920x1080  60.0*+   50.0 59.9
   1920x1080i 60.1 50.0 60.0
   1280x1024  75.0 60.0
   1152x864   75.0
   1280x720   60.0 50.0 59.9
   1440x576i  50.1
   1024x768   75.1 60.0
   1440x480i  60.1 60.1
   800x60075.0 60.3
   720x57650.0
   720x48060.0 59.9
   640x48075.0 60.0 59.9
   720x40070.1
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

"

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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread notoneofmy
On 15-06-19 11:36 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:
> A quick search with apt-cache finds this:
>
> Package: gnome-music
> Description-en: Music is the new GNOME music playing application
>  Music is the new GNOME music playing application aiming at being
>  a simple and elegant replacement for using Files to show the
>  Music directory.
>  Objectives includes listening to local and online/cloud collections,
>  listen to music on attached devices, listen to music shared by friends,
>  listen to audiobooks, a player for DLNA media servers, share music,
>  upload music and select favorites.
>
> I've never used it, so I can't tell you if it's any good, but according
> to the description it seems like it would fit what you're looking for.
>
> Petter
I will test it right now and let you know.

Thanks a lot for this.

Cheers


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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:22:36 +0200
Petter Adsen  wrote:
> Kodi/XBMC is both a server and a client, so you can use it in either
> role. I run it on a Raspberry Pi as a media center, it isn't really
> that big a drain on resources. If you only want to play music, I would
> guess several of the "big" players would support that, I only use
> Kodi.

A quick search with apt-cache finds this:

Package: gnome-music
Description-en: Music is the new GNOME music playing application
 Music is the new GNOME music playing application aiming at being
 a simple and elegant replacement for using Files to show the
 Music directory.
 Objectives includes listening to local and online/cloud collections,
 listen to music on attached devices, listen to music shared by friends,
 listen to audiobooks, a player for DLNA media servers, share music,
 upload music and select favorites.

I've never used it, so I can't tell you if it's any good, but according
to the description it seems like it would fit what you're looking for.

Petter

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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread notoneofmy
On 15-06-19 11:13 AM, Diogene Laerce wrote:
> If you look for a light dlna server, minidlna is the one.
>
> Good luck,
Currently I  have minidlna server on a NAS. I only need a minidlna client.


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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:27:33 +0200
notoneofmy  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 15-06-19 10:01 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:
> >> > Just two quick question I hope to get help one.
> >> > 
> >> > I've spent now weeks putting installing Jessie and solving
> >> > problems. It makes sense to find a good backup and restore
> >> > program. Ideally, something that I can use to back up the entire
> >> > system to a NAS and restore a broken system from the NAS. And
> >> > following restoration; all will be good as new. Any ideas?
> > I use backintime - it uses rsync to actually make the backups, so
> > it's easy to traverse the backup tree and restore a specific
> > version of a file that you want. It has frontends for Qt and GTK,
> > and sets up cron jobs for automated backups. YMMV, I like it.
> Thanks a lot. I will give this a try. But to be clear, would this
> backup the entire system and restore it, in the event of a crash of
> something going horribly wrong? I'm hoping it to be like the Time
> Machine for linux; is that what it does?

backintime will back up exactly what you tell it to, using hardlinks
instead of copies of files that haven't changed, so you don't store
full copies of every single file when it isn't necessary. The first
time you run it it will make copies of everything, on later runs it
will make copies of files that have changed, and use hardlinks for the
ones that haven't to save space.

By default it will exclude stuff like /proc, /sys, /run, cache
directories and so on, but you can of course edit that if you want to
add or remove something.

Time Machine is something I haven't used, so I can't compare them.
backintime will give you a directory tree where you have one directory
for each run of the backup, named by the date and time the backup was
run, and under that you get a full tree of the things you have backed
up. Makes it easy to get a certain version of a file like it was on a
specific date.

The best way to judge would be to take a look at it, and get comfortable
with the way it works. Make a few backups, and test the restore
functionality to make sure it works if you suddenly need it. If you
decide you like it, set up a schedule. Test it regularly to make sure
everything works OK.

> >> > Also, any ideas on a functioning dlna client. I've spent weeks
> >> > on this...lots of servers out there but no client being
> >> > developed. Most of the ones mentioned in wikipedia don't even
> >> > exist anymore.
> > I'm pretty sure Kodi (used to be called XBMC) can play from DLNA
> > sources, although I simply export via NFS now. It's a great client
> > with a ton of functionality, and it can also act as a DLNA server.
> > You can also set up a shared MySQL database so that all metadata is
> > shared between several clients.
> Thanks also for this. I knew about XMBC and also about its rename. But
> I'm only interested in a client. I know as far as servers go, this is
> perhaps the best. And I like a lot of the new things they've done to
> it. But this is a laptop from which I want to listen to music on NAS
> while I work. XMBC is too much for this purpose.

Kodi/XBMC is both a server and a client, so you can use it in either
role. I run it on a Raspberry Pi as a media center, it isn't really
that big a drain on resources. If you only want to play music, I would
guess several of the "big" players would support that, I only use Kodi.

> Could you please explain more what you do now, exporting via NFS?

I have all my media on a big disk on my file server, and I export that
via NFS to the Pi. Kodi on the Pi indexes all the media and builds a
library. Simple, and at least in my experience it seems faster than
DLNA/UPNP.

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>
>> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>> > How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can
>> > read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run
>> > "xrandr" (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects.
>> > If "xrandr" is able to detect both outputs it should just be a
>> > matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem
>> > with the driver.
>> >
>> > At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer
>> > kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going
>> > there would be a lot better than with Squeeze.
>> >
>> > Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine
>> > which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are
>> > usually called "nvidia-xxx", then do "apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx"
>> > on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same
>> > for Wheezy.
>> >
>>
>> "
>> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx
>> N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx
>> "
>
> The "xxx" should be replaced by the major version number you are using.
> Try "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" to see what packages are installed, then
> use "apt-cache policy" to determine the full version of the one that is
> installed.
>

"
-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia
ii  nvidia-331  331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU
library
ii  nvidia-331-updates  331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3
 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU
library
ii  nvidia-common   1:0.2.44.2
 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
ii  nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3
 Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
ii  nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1
 Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 release a=now
 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free i386 Packages
 release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web
browser,c=non-free
 origin deb.opera.com
 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free amd64 Packages
 release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web
browser,c=non-free
 origin deb.opera.com
 500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application
Review Board PPA,c=main
 origin extras.ubuntu.com
 500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application
Review Board PPA,c=main
 origin extras.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe Translation-en
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted
Translation-en
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse
Translation-en
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main Translation-en
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse
i386 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe i386 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted
i386 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main i386 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse
amd64 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe amd64 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted
amd64 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main amd64 Packages
 release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main
 origin security.ubuntu.com
 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backports/universe
Translation-en
 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backports/restricted
Translation-en
 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backpo

Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:

>> > Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be
>> > helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ.
>> >
>>
>> "
>> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log
>> cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
>> "
>
> If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the
> full path to that file.
>

Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to
it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part,
I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph.

See below for Ubuntu 12.04


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 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
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'
-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[24.305]
X.Org X Server 1.15.1
Release Date: 2014-04-13
[24.306] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[24.306] Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.42-75-generic x86_64 Ubuntu
[24.306] Current Operating System: Linux
bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS 3.13.0-54-generic
#91~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 27 10:48:29 UTC 2015 x86_64
[24.306] Kernel command line:
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-54-generic
root=UUID=50c16b74-e83e-4900-a870-19a1bcc9304b ro quiet splash
[24.306] Build Date: 12 February 2015  03:37:52PM
[24.306] xorg-server 2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2~precise5 (For technical
support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[24.306] Current version of pixman: 0.30.2
[24.306]Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
[24.306] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[24.306] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Jun 19
15:58:42 2015
[24.597] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[24.597] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[24.688] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[24.688] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[24.688] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[24.688] (**) |   |-->Monitor ""
[24.688] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
Using a default monitor configuration.
[24.688] (==) Automatically adding devices
[24.688] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[24.688] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
[25.445] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[25.445]Entry deleted from font path.
[25.445] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/" does not exist.
[25.445]Entry deleted from font path.
[25.445] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/" does not exist.
[25.445]Entry deleted from font path.
[25.471] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" does not exist.
[25.471]Entry deleted from font path.
[25.471] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi" does not exist.
[25.471]Entry deleted from font path.
[25.471] (==) FontPath set to:
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
built-ins
[25.471] (==) ModulePath set to
"/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[25.471] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of
input devices.
If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable 
AutoAddDevices.
[25.494] (II) Loader magic: 0x7f0af8cb6c20
[25.494] (II) Module ABI versions:
[25.494]X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[25.494]X.Org Video Driver: 15.0
[25.494]X.Org XInput driver : 20.0
[25.494]X.Org Server Extension : 8.0
[25.494] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card1)
[25.494] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[25.495] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 rev 6, Mem @
0xd300/4194304, 0xc000/268435456, I/O @ 0x5000/64
[25.495] (--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:0fe4:1025:0781 rev 161, Mem @
0xd200/16777216, 0xa000/268435456, 0xb000/33554432, I/O @
0x4000/128, BIOS @ 0x/524288
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension XTEST
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension SYNC
[25.540] Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi,

On 06/19/2015 09:45 AM, notoneofmyseeds wrote:
> Just two quick question I hope to get help one.
>
> I've spent now weeks putting installing Jessie and solving problems.
> It makes sense to find a good backup and restore program. Ideally,
> something that I can use to back up the entire system to a NAS and
> restore a broken system from the NAS. And following restoration; all
> will be good as new. Any ideas?

I use crashplan which is free as long as you use it with your own
computers to backup. You will be able to fine tune all the versioning
you need.

http://www.code42.com/crashplan/download/

>
> Also, any ideas on a functioning dlna client. I've spent weeks on
> this...lots of servers out there but no client being developed. Most
> of the ones mentioned in wikipedia don't even exist anymore.

If you look for a light dlna server, minidlna is the one.

Good luck,

-- 
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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Curt
On 2015-06-19, Ric Moore  wrote:
>
> "Check and see if you have the tool 'intel-virtual-output' installed. 
> This is included in 'xf86-video-intel' =< v2.99, aprox date released is 
> 22/Dec/2014
>

"xf86-video-intel" doesn't appear to be a Debian package. I can only find it
here:

http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver/


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can
> > read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run
> > "xrandr" (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects.
> > If "xrandr" is able to detect both outputs it should just be a
> > matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem
> > with the driver.
> >
> > At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer
> > kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going
> > there would be a lot better than with Squeeze.
> >
> > Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine
> > which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are
> > usually called "nvidia-xxx", then do "apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx"
> > on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same
> > for Wheezy.
> >
> 
> "
> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx
> N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx
> "

The "xxx" should be replaced by the major version number you are using.
Try "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" to see what packages are installed, then
use "apt-cache policy" to determine the full version of the one that is
installed.

> >From Ubuntu 12.04, as I previously mentioned having thusly added the
> nvidia 331 drivers (Ubuntu 12.04 successfully detected and provided
> use of the external monitor, both before and after the installation of
> the nvidia drivers)

So you could use the external screen with the nouveau driver? Have you
tried that with Wheezy? I don't have the time to go through this entire
thread again, I was simply under the impression that Ubuntu 12.04 with
the proprietary driver was the only combination that would see the
external screen. If that isn't the case, then we have more to work with.

> >From System Settings -> Additional Drivers;
> 
> "
> Proprietary drivers are being used...
> NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version 331)
> NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version
> 331-updates) "

OK, major version 331.

> > Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be
> > helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ.
> >
> 
> "
> -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log
> cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
> "

If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the
full path to that file.

Petter

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Re: Moving from 56k modem

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:36:37AM +0200, Frederic Marchal wrote:
> On Friday 19 June 2015 11:01:25 Reco wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> 
> >
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 09:13:42AM +0200, Frederic Marchal wrote:
> 
> > > On Friday 19 June 2015 09:24:34 Reco wrote:
> 
> > > > On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:20:25 -0500
> 
> > > > Richard Owlett  wrote:
> 
> > > > > Mike McClain wrote:
> 
> > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 03:22:37PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > > > > >
> 
> > > > > > When CBS 60 Minutes (or was it Sunday Morning?) did an article on
> 
> > > > > > security on airlines, trains, etc. They suggested setting up a VPN
> 
> > > > > > on your system.
> 
> > > > > >
> 
> > > > > > Mike
> 
> > > > >
> 
> > > > > A pointer to an appropriate how-to and .deb in Jessie repository?
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > A *very* simplistic howto follows:
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > autossh -ND1080 
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > 
> 
> > >
> 
> > > With iceweasel/firefox, don't forget to change
> 
> > > network.proxy.socks_remote_dns to true in about:config or the DNS
> 
> > > requests will be issued to the local DNS server.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.socks_remote_dns
> 
> >
> 
> > Please don't do so. Ssh only provides SOCKS4 proxy, and SOCKS4 can not
> 
> > tunnel DNS requests (or any UDP traffic for that matter).
> 
>  
> 
> According to ssh(1) manpage (see http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ssh+1 or
> your local man 1 ssh), ssh -D supports SOCKS4 and SOCKS5.

I stand corrected. Thank you, every day I learn something new :)

Reco


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Re: Moving from 56k modem

2015-06-19 Thread Frederic Marchal
On Friday 19 June 2015 11:01:25 Reco wrote:
>  Hi.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 09:13:42AM +0200, Frederic Marchal wrote:
> > On Friday 19 June 2015 09:24:34 Reco wrote:
> > > On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:20:25 -0500
> > > Richard Owlett  wrote:
> > > > Mike McClain wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 03:22:37PM -0500, Richard Owlett 
wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > When CBS 60 Minutes (or was it Sunday Morning?) did an article 
on
> > > > > security on airlines, trains, etc. They suggested setting up a 
VPN
> > > > > on your system.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mike
> > > > 
> > > > A pointer to an appropriate how-to and .deb in Jessie repository?
> > > 
> > > A *very* simplistic howto follows:
> > > 
> > > autossh -ND1080 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > With iceweasel/firefox, don't forget to change
> > network.proxy.socks_remote_dns to true in about:config or the DNS
> > requests will be issued to the local DNS server.
> > 
> > See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.socks_remote_dns
> 
> Please don't do so. Ssh only provides SOCKS4 proxy, and SOCKS4 can 
not
> tunnel DNS requests (or any UDP traffic for that matter).

According to ssh(1) manpage (see http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ssh+1 or 
your local man 1 ssh), ssh -D supports SOCKS4 and SOCKS5.

I have been using that trick since Debian Squeeze.

Locally run, for instance:

   ssh -N -D8880 u...@remote.host.example.com

Set the proxy in firefox to "socks=127.0.0.1:8880", enable 
network.proxy.socks_remote_dns and surf while watching with wireshark or 
tcpdump the DNS requests sent on the network interface. I had no DNS 
requests going to the local DNS server. I was completely stealthy except 
for the amount of data exchanged with only one server :-).

I have been using http://www.proxy-offline-browser.com/ProxySwitch/ to 
easily switch between a direct connection and a ssh tunnel in iceweasel.

The ssh server must allow TCP forwarding (AllowTcpForwarding in 
sshd_config, globally or on a per user basis) but, due to -N, you don't even 
need a login shell on the remote server and your tunnel won't register in 
/var/log/auth.log on the server.

BTW, if AllowTCPForwarding is enabled on a server where mysql is installed 
without a root password because it is only listening on 127.0.0.1, then 
anyone with a valid account (for sftp for instance) can open a ssh tunnel 
to access mysql running on the server:

ssh -L12000:localhost:3360 u...@remote.server.example.com

Then it is easy to open a mysql client to local port 12000 as root and 
connect to the remote mysql server. Keep that in check when enabling TCP 
forwarding on a ssh server!

Frederic



Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread notoneofmy


On 15-06-19 10:01 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:
>> > Just two quick question I hope to get help one.
>> > 
>> > I've spent now weeks putting installing Jessie and solving problems.
>> > It makes sense to find a good backup and restore program. Ideally, 
>> > something that I can use to back up the entire system to a NAS and 
>> > restore a broken system from the NAS. And following restoration; all 
>> > will be good as new. Any ideas?
> I use backintime - it uses rsync to actually make the backups, so it's
> easy to traverse the backup tree and restore a specific version of a
> file that you want. It has frontends for Qt and GTK, and sets up cron
> jobs for automated backups. YMMV, I like it.
Thanks a lot. I will give this a try. But to be clear, would this backup
the entire system and restore it, in the event of a crash of something
going horribly wrong? I'm hoping it to be like the Time Machine for
linux; is that what it does?
>
>> > Also, any ideas on a functioning dlna client. I've spent weeks on 
>> > this...lots of servers out there but no client being developed. Most
>> > of the ones mentioned in wikipedia don't even exist anymore.
> I'm pretty sure Kodi (used to be called XBMC) can play from DLNA
> sources, although I simply export via NFS now. It's a great client
> with a ton of functionality, and it can also act as a DLNA server. You
> can also set up a shared MySQL database so that all metadata is shared
> between several clients.
Thanks also for this. I knew about XMBC and also about its rename. But
I'm only interested in a client. I know as far as servers go, this is
perhaps the best. And I like a lot of the new things they've done to it.
But this is a laptop from which I want to listen to music on NAS while I
work. XMBC is too much for this purpose.

Could you please explain more what you do now, exporting via NFS?
>
> Kodi isn't in the Jessie repos, but XBMC is. If you want a newer
> version, check kodi.tv.
>
> Petter


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Re: Systemd takes more that 1m 30sec to start firewall at boot

2015-06-19 Thread tomas
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 06:42:39PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 05:49 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> >On 18/06/15 21:27, Johann Spies wrote:
> >>I use shorewall. The shorewall-init.log shows that Shorewall took less
> >>than 2 seconds to compile and start up.  Why does systemd wait that long
> >>on boot?
> >
> >$ systemd-analyze critical-chain
> >
> >This will tell you what is taking a long time to start.
> 
> 
> After logging in to XFCE, I observed a "busy" mouse cursor for 30
> seconds or more. Using the above command noted several things were
> taking as much as 8 seconds each to launch.

"More or less 8 sec each" or "pretty uniformly 8 sec each"?

If it's the last, I think I've seen this pattern in this mailing
list once. Hmmm...

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>> I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
>> the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
>> installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
>> Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>
> How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read
> through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run "xrandr" (when
> both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If "xrandr" is able
> to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if
> not then that would suggest a problem with the driver.
>
> At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer
> kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going
> there would be a lot better than with Squeeze.
>
> Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which
> version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually
> called "nvidia-xxx", then do "apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx" on the one
> that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy.
>

"
-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx
N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx
"

>From Ubuntu 12.04, as I previously mentioned having thusly added the
nvidia 331 drivers (Ubuntu 12.04 successfully detected and provided
use of the external monitor, both before and after the installation of
the nvidia drivers)
>From System Settings -> Additional Drivers;

"
Proprietary drivers are being used...
NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version 331)
NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version 331-updates)
"



> Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful,
> just to see what your system detects, and how they differ.
>

"
-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log
cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
"




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Re: Moving from 56k modem

2015-06-19 Thread Joe
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:01:25 +0300
Reco  wrote:


> > 
> > When network.proxy.socks_remote_dns is set to true, the DNS
> > requests are sent through the SOCKS connection and delivered to
> > your computer at home (which ultimately is sent to your ISP but you
> > already thrust it with that information any way, don't you?)
> 
> Please don't do so. Ssh only provides SOCKS4 proxy, and SOCKS4 can
> not tunnel DNS requests (or any UDP traffic for that matter).
> 
> Although I agree that un-tunneled DNS requests is a privacy issue
> indeed.
> 

I'd go along with that in general, if you're going to use a VPN, use a
proper one. I tunnel the odd TCP stream through ssh for simplicity and
convenience from moderately trusted networks, but to do anything from a
public network, I'd use OpenVPN.

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Re: [SOLVED] Re: forcedeth driver - bug?

2015-06-19 Thread tomas
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 02:05:37PM +1200, Bruce Ward wrote:
> Thanks Selim, that fixed it.

[selim]

> >>>options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
> >
> >   ^^^
> >Should be like this.
> 
> Yes, solution is /etc/modprobe.d/forcedeth.conf containing
>   options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0

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Re: Moving from 56k modem

2015-06-19 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 09:13:42AM +0200, Frederic Marchal wrote:
> On Friday 19 June 2015 09:24:34 Reco wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> 
> >
> 
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:20:25 -0500
> 
> >
> 
> > Richard Owlett  wrote:
> 
> > > Mike McClain wrote:
> 
> > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 03:22:37PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > > >> Scarletdown wrote:
> 
> > > >>> How about a portable wireless hotspot device and service?
> 
> > > >>
> 
> > > >> I was leaning away from that solution - unsure of security
> 
> > > >> implications when using personal hotspot.
> 
> > > >>
> 
> > > >>> The
> 
> > > >>> way I understand how those work, you will have your Internet
> 
> > > >>> service with you no matter where you are, as long as you can get
> 
> > > >>> a signal from your provider.
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > When CBS 60 Minutes (or was it Sunday Morning?) did an article on
> 
> > > > security on airlines, trains, etc. They suggested setting up a VPN on
> 
> > > > your system.
> 
> > > > Mike
> 
> > >
> 
> > > A pointer to an appropriate how-to and .deb in Jessie repository?
> 
> >
> 
> > A *very* simplistic howto follows:
> 
> >
> 
> > autossh -ND1080 
> 
> >
> 
> > 
> 
>  
> 
> With iceweasel/firefox, don't forget to change network.proxy.socks_remote_dns
> to true in about:config or the DNS requests will be issued to the local DNS
> server.
> 
>  
> 
> See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.socks_remote_dns
>
> 
> If the DNS requests are sent to the local DNS server provided by the DHCP of 
> an
> access point, the AP administrator can get an exhaustive list of every single
> web site you visit simply by looking at the DNS requests comming from your
> computer. The data are still secure thanks to the vpn but it is very easy to
> get a good idea about the kind of activity you are having at the moment (I'm
> adopting the employer's point of view here :-) ).
> 
>  
> 
> When network.proxy.socks_remote_dns is set to true, the DNS requests are sent
> through the SOCKS connection and delivered to your computer at home (which
> ultimately is sent to your ISP but you already thrust it with that information
> any way, don't you?)

Please don't do so. Ssh only provides SOCKS4 proxy, and SOCKS4 can not tunnel
DNS requests (or any UDP traffic for that matter).

Although I agree that un-tunneled DNS requests is a privacy issue
indeed.

Reco


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Re: Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:45:16 +0200
notoneofmyseeds  wrote:

> Just two quick question I hope to get help one.
> 
> I've spent now weeks putting installing Jessie and solving problems.
> It makes sense to find a good backup and restore program. Ideally, 
> something that I can use to back up the entire system to a NAS and 
> restore a broken system from the NAS. And following restoration; all 
> will be good as new. Any ideas?

I use backintime - it uses rsync to actually make the backups, so it's
easy to traverse the backup tree and restore a specific version of a
file that you want. It has frontends for Qt and GTK, and sets up cron
jobs for automated backups. YMMV, I like it.

> Also, any ideas on a functioning dlna client. I've spent weeks on 
> this...lots of servers out there but no client being developed. Most
> of the ones mentioned in wikipedia don't even exist anymore.

I'm pretty sure Kodi (used to be called XBMC) can play from DLNA
sources, although I simply export via NFS now. It's a great client
with a ton of functionality, and it can also act as a DLNA server. You
can also set up a shared MySQL database so that all metadata is shared
between several clients.

Kodi isn't in the Jessie repos, but XBMC is. If you want a newer
version, check kodi.tv.

Petter

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800
>> Bret Busby  wrote:
>>> I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
>>> the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
>>> installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
>>> Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>>
>> How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read
>> through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run "xrandr" (when
>> both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If "xrandr" is able
>> to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if
>> not then that would suggest a problem with the driver.
>>
>
> On Debian 6;
>
> "
> :~# xrandr
> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
> Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
> default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
>1920x1080   0.0*
> "
>
>


And on Debian 7;

"
:~# xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
   1920x1080   0.0*
"

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Dlna client and backup

2015-06-19 Thread notoneofmyseeds

Just two quick question I hope to get help one.

I've spent now weeks putting installing Jessie and solving problems. It 
makes sense to find a good backup and restore program. Ideally, 
something that I can use to back up the entire system to a NAS and 
restore a broken system from the NAS. And following restoration; all 
will be good as new. Any ideas?


Also, any ideas on a functioning dlna client. I've spent weeks on 
this...lots of servers out there but no client being developed. Most of 
the ones mentioned in wikipedia don't even exist anymore.


Thanks a lot.


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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>> I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
>> the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
>> installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
>> Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>
> How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read
> through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run "xrandr" (when
> both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If "xrandr" is able
> to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if
> not then that would suggest a problem with the driver.
>

On Debian 6;

"
:~# xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
   1920x1080   0.0*
"




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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800
>> Bret Busby  wrote:
>>> I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
>>> the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
>>> installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
>>> Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>>
>> How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor?
>
> I believe that I have previously posted this, for eac of the four
> operating systems, or, at least, for the two Debian ones.
>
> I am currently in the Debian 7 installation.
>
> Using a gnome classic session (as the nearest equivalent to, but, not
> as good as, gnome 2), from the Applications menu,
> System Tools -> Preferences -> Monitor Settings
> shows
> "The following monitor is detected"
>
> Using the  button in hat dialogue box, shows it to be using
> LXRandR 0.1.2
>
>

In the Debian 6 installation, using gnome 2, the menu path is
System menu -> Preferences -> Monitors
and that dialogue box shows a button

(the Debian 7 installation equivalent dialogue box does not have that
button - the Debian 7 installation appears to perform the monitors
detection, automatically)
selecting that button produces no change - only the "Unknown" monitor
is indicated, being the screen on the laptop computer.

That dialogue box in the Debian 6 installation, does not include an
 button, so the applicable utility and its version, cannot be
determined from the dialogue box.

Synaptic did not show a randr (either xrandr or lxrandr) package as
being installed, and as a Synaptic seatch for xrandr did not include
xrandr, I have just installed lxrandr.

So now, in the
System menu -> Preferences
menu, I have two distinct options relating to monitors;
Monitors
and now, also,
Monitor Settings

The Monitor Settings dialogue box shows it to be
LXRandR 0.1.1

And still, the external monitor is not detected in Debian 6.

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Re: Moving from 56k modem

2015-06-19 Thread Frederic Marchal
On Friday 19 June 2015 09:24:34 Reco wrote:
>  Hi.
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:20:25 -0500
> 
> Richard Owlett  wrote:
> > Mike McClain wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 03:22:37PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > >> Scarletdown wrote:
> > >>> How about a portable wireless hotspot device and service?
> > >> 
> > >> I was leaning away from that solution - unsure of security
> > >> implications when using personal hotspot.
> > >> 
> > >>> The
> > >>> way I understand how those work, you will have your Internet
> > >>> service with you no matter where you are, as long as you can get
> > >>> a signal from your provider.
> > > 
> > > When CBS 60 Minutes (or was it Sunday Morning?) did an article on
> > > security on airlines, trains, etc. They suggested setting up a VPN on
> > > your system.
> > > Mike
> > 
> > A pointer to an appropriate how-to and .deb in Jessie repository?
> 
> A *very* simplistic howto follows:
> 
> autossh -ND1080 
> 
> 

With iceweasel/firefox, don't forget to change 
network.proxy.socks_remote_dns to true in about:config or the DNS 
requests will be issued to the local DNS server.

See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.socks_remote_dns

If the DNS requests are sent to the local DNS server provided by the DHCP 
of an access point, the AP administrator can get an exhaustive list of 
every single web site you visit simply by looking at the DNS requests 
comming from your computer. The data are still secure thanks to the vpn 
but it is very easy to get a good idea about the kind of activity you are 
having at the moment (I'm adopting the employer's point of view here :-) ).

When network.proxy.socks_remote_dns is set to true, the DNS requests 
are sent through the SOCKS connection and delivered to your computer at 
home (which ultimately is sent to your ISP but you already thrust it with 
that information any way, don't you?)

Frederic



Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:
> On 06/19/2015 12:15 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 19/06/2015, Ric Moore  wrote:
>>> On 06/18/2015 03:25 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:
>>>
 There are, however, no hits on bumblebee for squeeze at all, so it
 won't help in this case. Maybe you could try to build it from source?
 At
 this point that may be your only chance. If only you could do that with
 the drivers...

 It might also be that it is (maybe for one of the reasons I listed in
 my previous mail) incompatible with Squeeze. I just don't know, sorry.
>>>
>>> I see the same thing, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#From_repository
>>> It doesn't appear to be available for sqeeze.
>>>
>>
>> I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
>> the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
>> installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
>> Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>
> "Check and see if you have the tool 'intel-virtual-output' installed.
> This is included in 'xf86-video-intel' =< v2.99, aprox date released is
> 22/Dec/2014
>

In searching in synaptic, for xf86-video-intel , two results are returned;
xserver-xorg-video-intel - installed
xserver-xorg-video-i740 - not installed

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Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-06-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800
> Bret Busby  wrote:
>> I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from
>> the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that
>> installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the
>> Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor.
>
> How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor?

I believe that I have previously posted this, for eac of the four
operating systems, or, at least, for the two Debian ones.

I am currently in the Debian 7 installation.

Using a gnome classic session (as the nearest equivalent to, but, not
as good as, gnome 2), from the Applications menu,
System Tools -> Preferences -> Monitor Settings
shows
"The following monitor is detected"

Using the  button in hat dialogue box, shows it to be using
LXRandR 0.1.2

-- 
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Armadale
West Australia
..

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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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