Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Jens Holzhäuser]

Build your own.

Buy an enclosure, you can chose the USB/SATA chip within limits
yourself. I prefer metal enclosures for better heat dissipation.

For the disk to put into that enclosure, you could refer to the yearly
Backblaze report for some more statistical meaningful numbers than
"anecdotal" stories:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-stats-for-2018/ 

But keep in mind that the environmental conditions there will most
likely not match yours, and your mileage will vary. And, you will need
to be prepared to lose your drive *at any time* anyway, regardless of
how "good" the drive type seems to be.

So the criteria for choosing one are like this

 - one of the major manufacturers
 - meets your technical specs (size, speed, rpm, desktop/NAS type, ...)
 - longest warranty (to minimize the risk of financial loss in the event
   of a drive failure)

for the best price.

I don't know if the general impression that 3.5" drives are more robust
than 2.5" ones is (still) valid, but I always use 3.5" personally. 


Jens


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 05:34:37PM -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> I avoid USB drives, in preference to internal drives... speed and security.
> When I use them I am extremely careful, because they all seem to have a
> spinning disk inside, not shock resistant, and subject to early failure due
> to heat.
> I do have several, but they are not what I really Trust to keep precious
> data.
> 
> a separate box that is out of harm is best, even a separate low end computer
> to act as a storage device.
> syncthing is my tool of choice to sync from my laptop to a desktop
> then LuckyBackup on a schedule to Copy the sync folder into a second Storage
> drive.
> 
> Sorry, no recommendation, others have already spoke up and they know more
> than me about USB storage
> 
> On 1/25/19 9:24 AM, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> > Fellow List members:
> > 
> > Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in
> > the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?
> > 
> > We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements";
> > I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative reviews
> > citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our current
> > Seagate had apparently failed on us.)
> > 
> > Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Kent West]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:25 PM Katnip  wrote:

> Hi, that is my bad. typos.it should read sudo apt update && sudo apt
> full-upgrade
>
>
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019 12:38 AM, David Wright <
> deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 23:46:22 (+), Katnip wrote:
> >
>
> > > or sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-update
> >
>
> >  ↑↑↑
> >
>
> >
>
> > I've never seen this one. What does it do?
> > Some sort of automatic editing of sources.list?
> >
>
> > Cheers,
> > David.
>
>
Ah, I didn't catch the typo, and answered the wrong question in my previous
response. D'oh! My bad.

-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Kent West]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 6:39 PM David Wright 
wrote:

> On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 23:46:22 (+), Katnip wrote:
> > or sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-update
>  ↑↑↑
>
> I've never seen this one. What does it do?
> Some sort of automatic editing of sources.list?


It's a shorthand way of executing two commands from one command line. The
second command will only execute if the first command is successful
(returns an exit status of zero). Here's a short test you can try:

$ false && echo First command was successful
$ true && echo First command was successful
First command was successful

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Peter Ehlert]

I avoid USB drives, in preference to internal drives... speed and security.
When I use them I am extremely careful, because they all seem to have a 
spinning disk inside, not shock resistant, and subject to early failure 
due to heat.
I do have several, but they are not what I really Trust to keep precious 
data.


a separate box that is out of harm is best, even a separate low end 
computer to act as a storage device.

syncthing is my tool of choice to sync from my laptop to a desktop
then LuckyBackup on a schedule to Copy the sync folder into a second 
Storage drive.


Sorry, no recommendation, others have already spoke up and they know 
more than me about USB storage


On 1/25/19 9:24 AM, James H. H. Lampert wrote:

Fellow List members:

Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in 
the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?


We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements"; 
I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative 
reviews citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our 
current Seagate had apparently failed on us.)


Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?

--
JHHL

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Peter Ehlert]

9.7 is not a new version. It is a new ISO to install Debian 9 with the 
latest updates.

Just update and your "old version" becomes the New

On January 25, 2019 4:38:42 PM David Wright  wrote:


On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 23:46:22 (+), Katnip wrote:

or sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-update

↑↑↑

I've never seen this one. What does it do?
Some sort of automatic editing of sources.list?

Cheers,
David.

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[David Wright]

On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 23:46:22 (+), Katnip wrote:
> or sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-update
 ↑↑↑

I've never seen this one. What does it do?
Some sort of automatic editing of sources.list?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Desinstalação completa do Sistema Operacional Android

[Jamenson Ferreira Espindula de Almeida Melo]

Em sex, 25 de jan de 2019 às 12:55, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete
DUTRA  escreveu:
>
> Le jeudi 24 janvier 2019 à 21:39 -0300, Jamenson Ferreira Espindula de
> Almeida Melo a écrit :
> >
> > Desejo saber se é possível uma desinstalação completa de _todo_ o
> > Sistema Operacional Android.
>
> Em tese, sim, na prática, depende das contramedidas de cada modelo…
>
>
> > Desejo instalar um Sistema Operacional Debian GNU/Linux completo em
> > um tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab E T561M.
>
> Sugiro buscar em algum fórum dedicado.  A probabilidade dalguém na
> comunidade brasileira de Debian ter tentado fazer isso é relativamente
> baixa.
>
>
> > Idealmente, não quero algo do tipo "noroot" ou que possa ser baixado
> > a partir da loja virtual de aplicativos da Google.
> >
> > Entenda bem: se pode ser baixado a partir da loja virtual de
> > aplicativos, então é um aplicativo desenvolvido para o Sistema
> > Operacional Android. O que desejo é como se o tablet se transformasse
> > em um computador desktop, ou seja, completamente _sem_ a presença do
> > Sistema Operacional Android.
>
> O mais provável é um Android livre, ou seja, sem depender da loja de
> aplicativos Google.
>
>
> --
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> +55 (61) 3546 7191  gTalk: xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
> +55 (61) 9302 2691ICQ/AIM: aim:GoIM?screenname=61287803
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>

Muito grato Leandro.

Re: Enet names

[ghe]

On 1/25/19 1:47 PM, Étienne Mollier wrote:

> My apologies, on rereading I realize it is unclear that both
> assertions (modifying Grub entries or creating a systemd link)
> are two separate distinct solutions.

Very little prob. Doing vi /etc/default/grub, vi
/etc/network/interfaces, update-grub, reboot works great. It took me
only a few hours to put the Ethernet interfaces back to intelligible.

Thanks much for the directions.

Futzing with systemd makes one wonder what MS has on some of the Linux
system programmers.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 01:20:29PM +0100, Andrea Borgia wrote:

TLDR it's complicated :)

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=203211


Or at least it was. That bug was closed in 2017. There is currently
nobody formally requesting the package nor formally indicating that it
is being worked on:

https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/prospective

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Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 26.01.2019 2:28, Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 01:09:59 +0500
> "Alexander V. Makartsev"  wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> If you value your data, my recommendation is to get inexpensive NAS with
>> iSCSI, like Synology DS218j and run two disks in RAID1 for redundancy.
>> This decision has many advantages, like:
>> 1. You still will have your data even in case one drive fails or gets
>> multiple bad blocks, so that 60Gb Virtual HD image will not turn out to
>> be a punch card when you will try to use it as a backup.
> RAID is for uptime, availability, performance - not ensuring the safety
> of valuable data.
>
> https://www.raidisnotabackup.com/
>
> Backing up properly is the only way to safeguard valuable data. With
> proper backups, your data will be safe with or without RAID. Without
> proper backups, your data will not be safe with or without RAID.
>
> Celejar
>
>
Well, James asked for advice on USB disk drive that will be used as
storage for backups.
It may seem like overkill, but I would prefer to be sure that my backups
are safe and consistent, because there are many ways things could go wrong.

Speaking of RAID in general, I can see usefulness of URL you provided,
but only as a guide to fight with "I have RAID, it works, so I can
forget about it" kind of mentality of inexperienced people.
Yes, backup is important, but it is also important to be sure that your
backup will not fail you when you will need it the most, so using RAID
with proper monitoring and servicing procedures is always better than
just one drive.

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Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Matthew Crews]

Let's take this a step at a time.

On 1/25/19 11:55 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> Here's some stats about the computer I'm running Play on Linux with:
> 
> OS: stretch 64bit
> CPU: Intel® Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz × 2
> RAM:  2.0 GiB
> Graphics: Intel® 945G (built-in video on the motherboard)
> I think I have located the driver for this video card but I'm not sure
> how to install it. I tried to install it as a regular program, but the
> setup program says that my computer does not meet the requirements to
> install it.

The Linux Kernel has built-in drivers for your graphics. No additional
drivers needed.

> I just added i386 to dpkg and installed wine32. This seemed to resolve a
> lot of problems.

Good!

> I successfully got the installer for a windows app to run. However it
> did not install correctly...
> I'm trying to install Spotify client.
> 
> I installed "mono-complete" and "mono-complete:i386" but the installer
> still could not find mono.
> So I had the play on Linux installer install mono.
> 
> *It complained that I do not have "wine-gecko" installed. *I cannot seem
> to resolve this.

Thats odd, PlayOnLinux should have prompted you to install wine-gecko.

> Spotify says that it could not find WINHTTP.dll and won't run.
> 
> 
> However, I did successfully manually install and run this software with
> default wine... although it doesn't require a lot of stuff to run. (It
> will run in DOS apparently) It's an audio spectrum analyzer.
> 
> https://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Audio-SpectrumView.shtml
> 
> Also, on the play on Linux main window, the capture plugin gives me this
> error:
> 
> 01/25/19 09:03:52 - [main] Fatal: Please install alsa-base
> 
> However, alsa-base is not available in stretch.

Have you tried installing Spotify via vanilla Wine, instead of PlayOnLinux?

> The attached log file is for Spotify. It doesn't say it in the file, but
> I am getting an error message that it cannot find WINHTTP.dll.

The only thing I can see that *might* cause a problem is that you are
installing Wine 1.7.35. Granted, this is the version that is in Stretch,
but it is a very old version. Perhaps try installing it from Stretch
Backports, then reinstall Wine, and see if that helps. Also, Spotify
appears to be problematic with Wine outright.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=8514

To install from backports, first add backports to your repos.

# echo "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main" | tee
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports
# apt update

Then install (or in this case, re-install) Wine

# apt install \
  wine/stretch-backports \
  wine32/stretch-backports \
  wine64/stretch-backports \
  libwine/stretch-backports \
  libwine:i386/stretch-backports \
  fonts-wine/stretch-backports

This will install Wine 3.0.3 from backports, and should give improved
compatibility.

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[Cyrille Biot]

D'ailleurs si il y avait une fonction pour que thunderbird oublie les
mots de passe des boites mails avant d'hiberner / mettre en veille, ca
serait cool.

Avec pm-utils, il doit y avoir moyen de gérer cela, non ?
Il suffit de vider "vider" le fichier où ils sont stockés et de 
configurer ensuite les crochets de pm-utils

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[David Wright]

On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 15:06:25 (-0500), Celejar wrote:

> One major annoyance (and I don't know if this is a problem affecting
> all USB external drives, or is related to my cables, USB ports, drives,
> or something else) is that the connections are terribly fragile: moving
> the drive, or even just jostling it, will usually result in the
> connection failing, and require replugging the cable and remounting
> (followed by an fsck) to continue. [FWIW, these are 2.5 inch drives -
> 3.5 may be sturdier, but I don't really know.]

In this respect, I find (with Seagate 3½ drives) that the USB3 cables
are far worse than USB2. For their lateral size, the USB3 plug's
insertion depth is so shallow that there's little grip, and the cables
(which probably contain more conductors) are stiffer, so any movement
sideways and they can fall out. The cables are shorter too; one metre
as opposed to two. I only use USB3 drives with a laptop when it's on
the table. For professional installations, I can't see any cure
because vibration is going loosen them even if everything is tied down.

Cheers,
David.

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Celejar]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 01:09:59 +0500
"Alexander V. Makartsev"  wrote:

...

> If you value your data, my recommendation is to get inexpensive NAS with
> iSCSI, like Synology DS218j and run two disks in RAID1 for redundancy.
> This decision has many advantages, like:
> 1. You still will have your data even in case one drive fails or gets
> multiple bad blocks, so that 60Gb Virtual HD image will not turn out to
> be a punch card when you will try to use it as a backup.

RAID is for uptime, availability, performance - not ensuring the safety
of valuable data.

https://www.raidisnotabackup.com/

Backing up properly is the only way to safeguard valuable data. With
proper backups, your data will be safe with or without RAID. Without
proper backups, your data will not be safe with or without RAID.

Celejar

Re: Enet names

[Étienne Mollier]

On 1/25/19 9:29 PM, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> If you are trying to say that you wish to go back to the ethN
> network interface naming convention, then one way to do it is
[...]
> 
> 
> Now the interesting part, if you want to reliably identify your
[...]

My apologies, on rereading I realize it is unclear that both
assertions (modifying Grub entries or creating a systemd link)
are two separate distinct solutions.

Anyway, enjoy!  ;^)

Kind Regards,
-- 
Étienne Mollier 
Did I mention all opinions are my own?

Re: Enet names

[Étienne Mollier]

Glenn English, onb 2019-01-25 :
> Buster, computer with MAC identified Ethernet ports
>
> Is there a way to relabel Ethernet ports? Without changing things in a
> number of config files?
>
> I see on the web that changing udev used to do that, but now there are
> at least 2 files to modify.
>
> I'm gently moving to a new ISP, and I'm trying to set up new, virtual IP
> addresses on my Enet ports. Webmin tells me that enp0s31f6 is too long.
> I could do it in /etc/network/interfaces, but Webmin does all that quite
> painlessly. Without typos.
>
> I'd like to replace the /dev/random names with something understandable
> to a mortal.

Good Day Glenn,

Disclaimer: if the machine is remote, be very careful when
fiddling with network interfaces, you could lock yourself out.
Now, if it's a more local machine, like your laptop, then let's
proceed.  :^)

If you are trying to say that you wish to go back to the ethN
network interface naming convention, then one way to do it is
enable it at boot time, using kernel command line option
"net.ifnames=0".

To set this option on each reboot, edit /etc/default/grub to put
it in your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"

Then update your Grub entries, reboot and enjoy (don't forget to
reconfigure your network interfaces, to take the new name in
account):

$ sudo update-grub
$ sudo reboot

This is something I used recently, when so called predictable
interface names have proved to cause issues with some Digital
Handcu^H^H^H^H^H^H Right Management software.  One file is to be
modified and one command to run, faster, easier, more dangerous
perhaps.


Now the interesting part, if you want to reliably identify your
network interfaces, I'll just shamelessly copy and paste this
example extracted from systemd.link(5) which sounds a lot like
something I would have loved to stumble upon earlier :
>  Example 2. /etc/systemd/network/10-dmz.link
>
>  This example assigns the fixed name "dmz0" to the
>  interface with the MAC address 00:a0:de:63:7a:e6:
>
>  [Match]
>  MACAddress=00:a0:de:63:7a:e6
>
>  [Link]
>  Name=dmz0

Have just had the occasion to test this, and worked like a charm
to rename my enp354f21s2p3wtf to if0. Sounds like the end result
could be interesting to you.  Even though it's systemd, it
sounds clearer than udev rules and moving to sysvinit (or any
other init of your choice).

Kind Regards,
-- 
Étienne Mollier 

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Default User]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 15:35 Pete Geenhuizen  Well now I certainly a few things to mull over.
>
> Thanks for the responses and suggestions.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> On 01/25/2019 12:23 PM, Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
>
> I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian
> and I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I recently
> install apt 1.4.9.
>
> With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability
> discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.
>
> According to the instructions in the Debian Security Advisory they advise
> disabling redirects which might
> "break some proxies when used against security.debian.org", not sure
> exactly what this means to me,
>
> and further on it says "For the stable distribution (stretch), this
> problem has been fixed in version 1.4.9"
>
> I just don't know what direction I should take, so I'd appreciate some
> insight and pointers on how I should proceed.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
>
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Pete, don't mull.

Ask.

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Pete Geenhuizen]

Well now I certainly a few things to mull over.

Thanks for the responses and suggestions.

Pete



On 01/25/2019 12:23 PM, Pete Geenhuizen wrote:


I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to 
Debian and I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 
and I recently install apt 1.4.9.


With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent 
vulnerability discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.


According to the instructions in the Debian Security Advisory they 
advise disabling redirects which might
"break some proxies when used against security.debian.org", not sure 
exactly what this means to me,


and further on it says "For the stable distribution (stretch), this 
problem has been fixed in version 1.4.9"


I just don't know what direction I should take, so I'd appreciate some 
insight and pointers on how I should proceed.


Thanks

Pete


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Re: Disque Dur SSD

[Yann Serre]

Bonsoir,
L’hibernation c'est bien pratique sur un portable.
On attend quelqu'un et quand cette personne arrive on ferme juste 
l'écran et on glisse le portable dans son sac.

Sinon, pas très utile quand on a le temps de fermer sa session ?

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 25.01.2019 22:24, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> Fellow List members:
>
> Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in
> the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?
>
> We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements";
> I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative
> reviews citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our
> current Seagate had apparently failed on us.)
>
> Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?
>
> -- 
> JHHL
>
All modern HDDs are a bit of a gamble, especially higher capacity ones.
They could fail even while still being under warranty and it is no
matter what make\model they are.
IMO all those external USB storages with 3.5" disks are made to fail
within a couple months after warranty expiration date.
Because, they utilize cheapest hard disk models with reduced firmware
functionality, some of them can't even show SMART table, because of
cheap USB-to-SATA controller, and they also lacking adequate cooling.

If you value your data, my recommendation is to get inexpensive NAS with
iSCSI, like Synology DS218j and run two disks in RAID1 for redundancy.
This decision has many advantages, like:
1. You still will have your data even in case one drive fails or gets
multiple bad blocks, so that 60Gb Virtual HD image will not turn out to
be a punch card when you will try to use it as a backup.
2. It helps with drives' cooling and monitor their health.
3. Synology runs on Linux under the hood and allows end user to access
shell. This could be used to check RAID array for consistency on demand,
so you will not be caught off guard when drives eventually develop bad
blocks.
4. Using NAS as iSCSI target allows you to get the same functionality as
if it was USB connected hard drive, among the other functionalities.

Not all disk drives are the same, so search in specifications for RPM
speed (performance), cache amount, presence of vibration sensors (so
drives could safely function close to each other) and Error Recovery
Control (so drives won't hung entire RAID array in case one of them
fails). In general they are marketed as "NAS drives".
Seagate IronWolf and IronWolf Pro series.
WD Red and Red Pro series.
Toshiba N300 Series.
The ones from Toshiba are my personal choice. They are cheaper, have all
required functionality and offer 7200RPM performance without flashy
marketing with "Pro" suffix. The only down side is they have 3 year
warranty, while Seagate and WD offer 5 year warranty. Still, I had WD
Black drives that also come with 5 year warranty and they failed within
3 years with various reasons. Of course they were RMA'd, but still lost
their data. Like I said it is a gamble, so it's better to have some
insurance.

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Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:24:56 -0800
"James H. H. Lampert"  wrote:

> Fellow List members:
> 
> Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in 
> the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?
> 
> We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements"; 
> I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative reviews 
> citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our current 
> Seagate had apparently failed on us.)
> 
> Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?

This kind of question always results in wildly conflicting anecdotal
reports: "I've had 67 WD failures in the last two weeks, and I swear
I'll never buy anything but HGST going forward!" "Well, I've lost twice
as many HGST drives over the last year than all other brands combined,
so they're absolutely the worst!"

My very limited anecdotal experience: I've been using two WD Elements
(1 TB / 2TB) for the last few years for external / off-site backup and
storage, and they've both served me pretty well. One of them (the
older, 1 TB one) occasionally fails to be recognized by my computer,
but trying a different USB port, or just waiting and trying again later,
has always fixed the problem.

One major annoyance (and I don't know if this is a problem affecting
all USB external drives, or is related to my cables, USB ports, drives,
or something else) is that the connections are terribly fragile: moving
the drive, or even just jostling it, will usually result in the
connection failing, and require replugging the cable and remounting
(followed by an fsck) to continue. [FWIW, these are 2.5 inch drives -
3.5 may be sturdier, but I don't really know.]

Celejar

Re: report bug

[Celejar]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:59:16 +
Paul Sutton  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have set up report-bug however upon running I am informs me that 
> gir1.2-vte-2.91
>  is missing, this is required to run the program with the GUI. 
> 
> I have no problem installing this (and have done) but just thought I
> would mention it.

This is explained in reportbug's "README.Users" file:

> If you tried to set the new GTK+ UI (named in reportbug as gtk2 ui)
> and it fails to start (falling back to text mode, hopefully), chances
> are that you are missing some of the packages listed as Suggests, in
> particular:
> 
>  - python3-gi
>  - python3-gi-cairo
>  - gir1.2-gtk-3.0
>  - gir1.2-vte-2.91
>  - python3-gtkspellcheck
> 
> or, install the reportbug-gtk package to get the needed dependencies.
> 
> If after installing both of them still GTK+ UI doesn't show up, please
> file a report (in text ui :) ).

>  report bug defaults to the CLI version anyway.

Celejar

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[hamster]

Le 25/01/2019 à 15:08, Pierre L. a écrit :
> ALT-F4 sur Thunderbird avant la mise en hibernation ?

Ca ferme thunderbird ca. Si on a un mail en cours de rédaction, ca perme
pas de retrouver la fenetre de rédaction ouverte quand on le réveille.

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Kent West]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:36 PM Brian  wrote:

> On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 13:11:46 -0600, Kent West wrote:
>
> > # apt dist-upgrade
>
> apt full-upgrade
>
> Fortunately, dist-upgrade also works in the same way even though it is
> not documented in the stretch manual
>
>
Oh yeah; I forget. I think I remember understanding at one time that
"full-upgrade" is the "newer" name for "dist-upgrade", since it's not just
used during an upgrade to a new distribution, but "dist-upgrade" is the
command my fingers remember.

-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Kent West]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:24 PM Paul Sutton  wrote:

>
> On 25/01/2019 19:11, Kent West wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:10 PM Kent West  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > $ apt update
> > $ apt dist-upgrade
> >
> >
> > Sorry, that should have been
> >
> > # sudo apt update
> > # sudo apt dist-upgrade
> >
> > or, as root,
> >
> > # apt update
> > # apt dist-upgrade
> >
> > --
> > Kent West<")))><
> > Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
>
>
> So in this context what is the differences between upgrade and
> dist-upgrade ? I just used apt upgrade and generally use apt
> dist-upgrade to go between the main Debian releases,  as in 8 -> 9.
>
> Given the apt bug does dist-upgrade do something else.?
>
>
If the vulnerability to which you refer is the "lateral movement" bug, it's
been around quite a while (2009?), but only recently discovered. It's also
been fixed (to my understanding) as of apt 1.4.9, which you say you have.

So the dist-upgrade does not do anything else "given the apt bug".

The basic difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that upgrade
doesn't remove existing or pull in not-installed stuff, whereas
dist-upgrade might. The former is good when you need a box to undergo
minimal change; the latter is good when you just want things to "work". The
former is probably more suitable for servers, the latter for end-user
computers.

I usually do "dist-upgrade" out of habit (as I spend most of my time on
end-user computers); but "upgrade" might be, at least theoretically, safer.


-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Brian]

On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 13:11:46 -0600, Kent West wrote:

> # apt dist-upgrade

apt full-upgrade

Fortunately, dist-upgrade also works in the same way even though it is
not documented in the stretch manual

Re: Repositorio local

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 8:04 AM
Subject: Repositorio local



Estoy creando un repositorio local para lo cual uso debmirror

Ahora tengo dudas sobre lo que hace el parámetro -timeout

Alguien me podrá una pequeña explicación de la función de dicho parámetro?

Otra duda que tengo como podría verificar que la descarga se callo para 
poder echar a andar de nuevo el script?


Saludos Cordiales a toda la comunidad
--
Ismael



He creado el siguiente script pero no se autollama la función da el 
siguiente error cuando se cae:


rdbeowulf_new.sh: 40: rdbeowulf_new.sh: run_debmirror: not found
rdbeowulf_new.sh: 42: rdbeowulf_new.sh: Syntax error: "}" unexpected

El script es el que sigue:
function() run_debmirror{
if [ $BUCLES -gt $REINTENTOS ]; then return; fi
 debmirror -a $ARQUITECTURA \
 -s $SECCIONES \
 -h $HOST/merged \
 -d $RAMA -r / --progress \
 -e 
$METODO --postcleanup --ignore-small-errors --ignore-missing-release --ignore-release-gpg 
--nosource --allow-dist-rename \

 --timeout=600 \
 --diff=none \
 $DIR_MIRROR
if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
   echo ""
   echo 
""
   echo "Error al sincronizar repositorio. Intento: $BUCLES con fecha: 
$(date)"
   echo 
""

   echo ""
 BUCLES=$(($BUCLES+1))
 run_debmirror
fi
}

run_debmirror

El comienza a descargar pero cuando se cae no se autollama la función de 
nuevo.


Alguien me podrá decir donde está el error?

Gracias
--
Ismael

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[David Wright]

Re this:

On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 16:46:41 (+0100), Andrea Borgia wrote:
> I had TONS of problems upgrading from stable to testing due to libraries
> installed from d-m over time, in fact :/
> Third time was a charm, though: I had learnt about that and premptively
> removed everything that was not in the main repo :)

On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 17:38:26 (+0100), deloptes wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
> 
> > And to be fair, that has been spelled out in the Release Notes ever
> > since etch was released in 2007. Before that, the warning was less
> > explicit.
> 
> No idea what you are talking about, perhaps I am the only lucky one, or I am
> not using the apps that caused your problems

Who knows—I don't know what others are running, and I'm not the one
having the reported problem.

Quoting the passages:

Release Notes (etch, 2007-08-16):

4.2 Checking system status

The upgrade process described in this chapter has been designed for
upgrades from “pure” sarge systems without third-party packages. In
particular, there are known problems with third-party packages which
install programs under /usr/X11R6/bin/ causing problems with upgrades
due to the X.Org transition (‘XFree86 to X.Org transition’ on page
39). For greatest reliability of the upgrade process, you may wish to
remove third-party packages from your system before you begin upgrading.

Release Notes (stretch, 2017-06-16):

4.2 Checking system status

The upgrade process described in this chapter has been designed for
upgrades from ‘pure’ jessie systems without third-party packages. For
the greatest reliability of the upgrade process, you may wish to
remove third-party packages from your system before you begin upgrading.

Below there are two methods for finding such packages by using either
aptitude or apt-forktracer. Please note that neither of them are 100%
accurate (e.g. the aptitude example will list packages that were once
provided by Debian but no longer are, such as old kernel packages).

Cheers,
David.

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Paul Sutton]

On 25/01/2019 19:11, Kent West wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:10 PM Kent West  > wrote:
>
>
> $ apt update
> $ apt dist-upgrade
>
>
> Sorry, that should have been
>
> # sudo apt update
> # sudo apt dist-upgrade
>
> or, as root,
>
> # apt update
> # apt dist-upgrade
>
> -- 
> Kent West                    <")))><
> Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com


So in this context what is the differences between upgrade and
dist-upgrade ? I just used apt upgrade and generally use apt
dist-upgrade to go between the main Debian releases,  as in 8 -> 9. 

Given the apt bug does dist-upgrade do something else.?


Paul


-- 
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/
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Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Kent West]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:10 PM Kent West  wrote:

>
> $ apt update
> $ apt dist-upgrade
>
>
Sorry, that should have been

# sudo apt update
# sudo apt dist-upgrade

or, as root,

# apt update
# apt dist-upgrade

-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Kent West]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:35 AM Pete Geenhuizen 
wrote:

> I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian
> and I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I recently
> install apt 1.4.9.
>
> With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability
> discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.
>

I suspect that if you do a

$ cat /etc/debian_version

you'll discover you're already at 9.7. If not, a

$ apt update
$ apt dist-upgrade

should do the job.


-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Jiangsu Kumquat]

Here's some stats about the computer I'm running Play on Linux with:

OS: stretch 64bit
CPU: Intel® Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz × 2
RAM:  2.0 GiB
Graphics: Intel® 945G (built-in video on the motherboard)
I think I have located the driver for this video card but I'm not sure how
to install it. I tried to install it as a regular program, but the setup
program says that my computer does not meet the requirements to install it.

How do you install drivers into Play on Linux?

https://www.driverscape.com/manufacturers/intel/laptops-desktops/945g/917

I just added i386 to dpkg and installed wine32. This seemed to resolve a
lot of problems.

I successfully got the installer for a windows app to run. However it did
not install correctly...
I'm trying to install Spotify client.

I installed "mono-complete" and "mono-complete:i386" but the installer
still could not find mono.
So I had the play on Linux installer install mono.

*It complained that I do not have "wine-gecko" installed. *I cannot seem to
resolve this.

Spotify says that it could not find WINHTTP.dll and won't run.


However, I did successfully manually install and run this software with
default wine... although it doesn't require a lot of stuff to run. (It will
run in DOS apparently) It's an audio spectrum analyzer.

https://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Audio-SpectrumView.shtml

Also, on the play on Linux main window, the capture plugin gives me this
error:

01/25/19 09:03:52 - [main] Fatal: Please install alsa-base

However, alsa-base is not available in stretch.


The attached log file is for Spotify. It doesn't say it in the file, but I
am getting an error message that it cannot find WINHTTP.dll.


On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:40 AM Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> On 1/25/19 8:25 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> > Please email me directly as I might not see your reply in the mailing
> list.
> >
> > I installed "Play on Linux" and attempted to run a program under it. You
> > can download it here:
> >
> > https://www.playonlinux.com/
> >
> > I am trying to completely rid myself of using Windows. The only thing
> > that I really need Windows for is to play games made for Windows. So, if
> > I can get this to work, I'll put Microsoft in the waste bin!
> >
> > No matter what I do, it tells me that Wine has crashed. When I try to
> > install a program either manually or a supported software, it tells me
> > that Wine has crashed and I never see the Windows installer box.
> >
> > I have tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions of wine and they both
> > crash. (I installed wind with APT and also installed wine from inside
> > plays on linux.)
> >
> > Here is an error I get when I first execute the program:
> >
> > PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.
> > You might encounter problem with your games
> >
> > From here on out I always seem to get this error no matter what I do...
> >
> > Error in POL_Wine
> > Wine seems to have crashed
> >
> > And this is as far I can get.
> >
> >
>
> First, are you using Stretch, or testing/sid?
>
> Did you add the i386 architecture to dpkg?
>
> # dpkg --add-architecture i386
> # apt update
>
> You will then need to reinstall wine, and possibly your drivers. If you
> are using Nvidia graphics, you *definitely* need to reinstall your
> drivers and the proprietary drivers.
>
> # apt install wine wine32 wine64 libwine libwine:i386 fonts-wine
>
> I would also consider installing wine from backports, or directly from
> WineHQ. Details on how to install from WineQH are on the WineHQ website.
>
>
[01/25/19 11:28:47] - Running wine-1.7.35 --version (Working directory : /usr/share/playonlinux/python)
wine-1.7.35

PlayOnLinux logfile
---
Date: 01/25/19 11:28:47

> PlayOnLinux Version
  4.3.4
> uname -a
  Linux music 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> lsb_release -a
  
> wine --version
  wine-1.7.35
> POL_WINEVERSION
  1.7.35
> WINEPREFIX
  /home/ron/.PlayOnLinux//wineprefix/Spotify
> Distribution
  Debian GNU/Linux 9.7 (stretch)
> glxinfo \| grep rendering
  direct rendering: Yes
> glxinfo \| grep renderer
  GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer, 
GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer, 
Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945G 
> OpenGL libs (Direct rendering testing)
  32bits direct rendering is enabled
  64bits direct rendering is enabled

[01/25/19 11:29:13] - Running wine-1.7.35 cmd /c echo %ProgramFiles% (Working directory : /usr/share/playonlinux/python)
C:\Program Files
[01/25/19 11:29:19] - - Starting function POL_Install_corefonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:19] - - Starting function POL_Internal_InstallFonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:20] - - Ending function POL_Internal_InstallFonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:20] - - Ending function POL_Install_corefonts -
[01/25/19 11:29:20] - Running wine-1.7.35 regedit /home/ron/.PlayOnLinux//tmp/regkey.reg 

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[deloptes]

Andrea Borgia wrote:

> It's more like an issue with the libraries than the apps themselves: the
> apps in d-m are not in Debian and won't directly be affected. However,
> shared libraries in Debian might be upgraded to different versions pulled
> in from d-m and that's where the problems will come from during an
> upgrade.

# dpkg --get-selections before upgrade (is in the upgrade notes AFAIR)

and then need to reinstall packages that are kept back. when reinstalling
they pull the right dependencies. Indeed it is a bit of work ... like
20-30min, but upgrade is done every 3-4y, so ...

regards

IETF X.509 SSL Certificate Signature Collision Vulnerability on SysLog - Port 6514

[Mauricio Borges]

Hello Support!
Any idea how to fix or troubleshoot this vulnerability ?

-vulnerability-
[medium] [6514/101915888/tls-syslog?] IETF X.509 SSL Certificate Signature 
Collision Vulnerability 
The following certificates were part of the certificate chain sent by the 
remote host, but contain hashes that are considered to be weak.

--Linux 
version
root@atlbyzns01:~# uname -a
Linux atlbyzns01 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

--tls 
version
openssl.exe s_client -connect xx.xx.xx.xx:6514
CONNECTED(0104)
New, TLSv1.2, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
Server public key is 2048 bit
Secure Renegotiation IS supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
SSL-Session:
Protocol  : TLSv1.2
Cipher: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384

Regards,
Mauricio Borges
IBM Certified IT Specialist, Domino & iSeries Administrator
Global Business Services - AppOps
IBM Services
borg...@br.ibm.com

Enet names

[ghe]

Buster, computer with MAC identified Ethernet ports

Is there a way to relabel Ethernet ports? Without changing things in a
number of config files?

I see on the web that changing udev used to do that, but now there are
at least 2 files to modify.

I'm gently moving to a new ISP, and I'm trying to set up new, virtual IP
addresses on my Enet ports. Webmin tells me that enp0s31f6 is too long.
I could do it in /etc/network/interfaces, but Webmin does all that quite
painlessly. Without typos.

I'd like to replace the /dev/random names with something understandable
to a mortal.

I was thinking of creating an alias in /dev pointing eth0 at enp0s31f6.
But where to put it? .bashrc would be convenient, but it'd be too late.
In an init file? Is the s.*d word going to do init files forever?

-- 
Glenn English

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Andy Smith]

Hi Pete,

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:23:27PM -0500, Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
> I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian and
> I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I recently
> install apt 1.4.9.

So you already have version 1.4.9? What does:

dpkg -l apt

say?

> With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability
> discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.

Normally as long as you have the stretch/updates line in your
/etc/apt/sources.list then you will upgrade through the point
releases just by doing normal package updates.

> According to the instructions in the Debian Security Advisory they advise
> disabling redirects which might
> "break some proxies when used against security.debian.org", not sure exactly
> what this means to me,

Well you said above that you already have upgraded to it, so there
is no upgrade left to do. But all this is saying is that, since it
is possible for the buggy version of apt to do bad things when
presented with a redirect, you may wish to disable redirects when
upgrading to the fixed version.

However, security.debian.org does have a redirect to
security-cdn.debian.org so by disabling redirects it will not allow
that upgrade to happen. You would need to either pick a mirror that
doesn't do a redirect (e.g. by using security-cdn.debian.org
directly), or else download the .deb file manually, verify its hash
and then install it with dpkg.

All of this is mentioned in the advisory.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[deloptes]

James H. H. Lampert wrote:

> Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in
> the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?
> 
> We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements";
> I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative reviews
> citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our current
> Seagate had apparently failed on us.)
> 
> Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?

since couple of years I buy WD RED NAS Model WD20EFRX

I read pretty negative comments about same but 3 or 4TB, but I have may be
4-5 years using the red without issues, while allmost all Seagates gave up

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Henning Follmann]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:23:27PM -0500, Pete Geenhuizen wrote:
> I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian and
> I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I recently
> install apt 1.4.9.
> 
> With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability
> discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.
> 

In your case there is actually nothing to be done.

This is just a point release and is only interesting for installs.
You are running Stretch already and any update automatically pulls in new
updates (as you have already done with apt).


> According to the instructions in the Debian Security Advisory they advise
> disabling redirects which might
> "break some proxies when used against security.debian.org", not sure exactly
> what this means to me,

You could update, couldn't you? So you are fine.

> 
> and further on it says "For the stable distribution (stretch), this problem
> has been fixed in version 1.4.9"
> 
> I just don't know what direction I should take, so I'd appreciate some
> insight and pointers on how I should proceed.
> 

Stay put :)


-H

-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[deloptes]

Pete Geenhuizen wrote:

> I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian
> and I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I
> recently install apt 1.4.9.
> 
> With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability
> discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

as root

I'm a bit confused on how to upgrade to stretch 9.7

[Pete Geenhuizen]

I am mainly a Centos user and am quite a novice when it comes to Debian 
and I have a computer which is currently running Stretch 9.6 and I 
recently install apt 1.4.9.


With the release of Stretch 9.7 and because of the recent vulnerability 
discovered in apt I'm not sure how to proceed.


According to the instructions in the Debian Security Advisory they 
advise disabling redirects which might
"break some proxies when used against security.debian.org", not sure 
exactly what this means to me,


and further on it says "For the stable distribution (stretch), this 
problem has been fixed in version 1.4.9"


I just don't know what direction I should take, so I'd appreciate some 
insight and pointers on how I should proceed.


Thanks

Pete


--
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 -- Click and Clack the Tappet brothers


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USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[James H. H. Lampert]

Fellow List members:

Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in 
the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?


We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements"; 
I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative reviews 
citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our current 
Seagate had apparently failed on us.)


Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?

--
JHHL

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[Andrea Borgia]

Il giorno ven 25 gen 2019 alle ore 17:40 deloptes  ha
scritto:


> David Wright wrote:
> > And to be fair, that has been spelled out in the Release Notes ever
> > since etch was released in 2007. Before that, the warning was less
> > explicit.
>

Of course, it was not my intention to blame anyone else but me, I just
wanted to underline the dangers of mixing repositories.
It took a while but it did come back to bite me in the ass :)



> No idea what you are talking about, perhaps I am the only lucky one, or I
> am
> not using the apps that caused your problems
>

It's more like an issue with the libraries than the apps themselves: the
apps in d-m are not in Debian and won't directly be affected. However,
shared libraries in Debian might be upgraded to different versions pulled
in from d-m and that's where the problems will come from during an upgrade.


Regards,
Andrea.

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[deloptes]

David Wright wrote:

> And to be fair, that has been spelled out in the Release Notes ever
> since etch was released in 2007. Before that, the warning was less
> explicit.

No idea what you are talking about, perhaps I am the only lucky one, or I am
not using the apps that caused your problems

regards

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[David Wright]

On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 16:46:41 (+0100), Andrea Borgia wrote:
> I had TONS of problems upgrading from stable to testing due to libraries
> installed from d-m over time, in fact :/
> Third time was a charm, though: I had learnt about that and premptively
> removed everything that was not in the main repo :)

And to be fair, that has been spelled out in the Release Notes ever
since etch was released in 2007. Before that, the warning was less
explicit.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Desinstalação completa do Sistema Operacional Android

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 09:39:47PM -0300, Jamenson Ferreira Espindula de 
Almeida Melo wrote:
> Saudações a todos.
> 
> Desejo saber se é possível uma desinstalação completa de _todo_ o
> Sistema Operacional Android.
> 
> Desejo instalar um Sistema Operacional Debian GNU/Linux completo em um
> tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab E T561M.

o Cascardo tem feito um trabalho de documentar esse processo com
smartphones, mas com um tablet desse vai ser praticamente a mesma coisa.
veja no blog dele: https://cascardo.eti.br/blog/; leia do mais antigo
pro mais recente; o mais antigo acho que é o
https://cascardo.eti.br/blog/Debian_on_a_Smartphone/

agora, sendo realista, esteja preparado pra ter trabalho. fazer isso não
é impossível, mas também não é trivial. e o suporte a hardware no
Android é meio misturado entre o kernel e o userspace, então é provável
que nem tudo funcione direito sem o android.

você pode também começar por https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
esta página está um pouco bagunçada, mas tem bastante links ali pra você
estudar.


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Re: Desinstalação completa do Sistema Operacional Android

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le jeudi 24 janvier 2019 à 21:39 -0300, Jamenson Ferreira Espindula de
Almeida Melo a écrit :
> 
> Desejo saber se é possível uma desinstalação completa de _todo_ o
> Sistema Operacional Android.

Em tese, sim, na prática, depende das contramedidas de cada modelo…


> Desejo instalar um Sistema Operacional Debian GNU/Linux completo em
> um tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab E T561M.

Sugiro buscar em algum fórum dedicado.  A probabilidade dalguém na
comunidade brasileira de Debian ter tentado fazer isso é relativamente
baixa.


> Idealmente, não quero algo do tipo "noroot" ou que possa ser baixado
> a partir da loja virtual de aplicativos da Google.
> 
> Entenda bem: se pode ser baixado a partir da loja virtual de
> aplicativos, então é um aplicativo desenvolvido para o Sistema
> Operacional Android. O que desejo é como se o tablet se transformasse
> em um computador desktop, ou seja, completamente _sem_ a presença do
> Sistema Operacional Android.

O mais provável é um Android livre, ou seja, sem depender da loja de
aplicativos Google.


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Missing formats in region and language gnome

[john doe]

Hi,

I'm trying to change the format in the debian desktop environment
(gnome), when I go where indicated by (1) no formats are available.
Do I need to install extra packages on Debian 9?

The pkg 'task-n' is installed.

Any help is appriciated.

1)  https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/session-formats.html.en


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Re: Debian em Blade com storage

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le jeudi 24 janvier 2019 à 10:27 -0200, Fábio Rabelo a écrit :
> 
> Acredito que o Sr. precisa se atualizar.

Crença infundada.  O senhor já me atualizou para a questão em tela o
que eu preciso saber (endereço, distribuição base…), e não sou o
consulente.


> Toda a infra-estrutura do Facebook foi migrada para o Proxmox, por
> volta de 2011-2012 .

Isso nada quer dizer.  Não sou o Facebook, e não preciso saber porque
ele o fez; quem precisa saber se a dita distribuição é adequada a seu
caso é o consulente, e o consulente não nos esclareceu para poder
orientar em que sentido quer que seja.


> Proxmox É Debian, ele foi "construído" ao redor da base Debian,
[…]
> confiáveis . Nenhum dos clientes jamais sentiu necessidade de migrar
> para qualquer outra ferramenta .

Ótimo.  Talvez teu testemunho seja suficiente para o consulente, mas eu
ainda quereria saber dele para o que quer usar seja o Debian, seja essa
derivada dele.  Afinal, ninguém escolhe um sistema operacional para
instalar numa máquina cara e deixá-la sem uso…

Acredito que tenhas muito conhecimento técnico, e agradeço
pelas informações.  Só peço um pouco de cortesia.


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Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[Andrea Borgia]

I had TONS of problems upgrading from stable to testing due to libraries
installed from d-m over time, in fact :/
Third time was a charm, though: I had learnt about that and premptively
removed everything that was not in the main repo :)

Il giorno ven 25 gen 2019 alle ore 16:34 Frank McCormick <
debianl...@videotron.ca> ha scritto:

>
>
> On 1/25/19 8:25 AM, deloptes wrote:
> > bapt x wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
> >> Debian package repository?
> >> I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the
> >> official repository so it should not be a legal problem.
> >> It would be nice to have this package in the official repository instead
> >> of adding an unofficial third-party repository.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Baptiste
> >
> > Put this in your source.list or in
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/multimedia.list
> >
> > deb http://deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-freee
> >
> > and you have what you want. Check http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ for
> > details.
> >
> > regards
> >
>
> I was under the impression that it has been suggested in the past to not
> use packages from deb-multimedia.org as it causes other problems?
>
>
> --
> Frank McCormick
>
>

Re: Need help with Play on Linux

[Matthew Crews]

On 1/25/19 8:25 AM, Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:
> Please email me directly as I might not see your reply in the mailing list.
> 
> I installed "Play on Linux" and attempted to run a program under it. You
> can download it here:
> 
> https://www.playonlinux.com/
> 
> I am trying to completely rid myself of using Windows. The only thing
> that I really need Windows for is to play games made for Windows. So, if
> I can get this to work, I'll put Microsoft in the waste bin!
> 
> No matter what I do, it tells me that Wine has crashed. When I try to
> install a program either manually or a supported software, it tells me
> that Wine has crashed and I never see the Windows installer box.
> 
> I have tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions of wine and they both
> crash. (I installed wind with APT and also installed wine from inside
> plays on linux.)
> 
> Here is an error I get when I first execute the program:
> 
> PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.
> You might encounter problem with your games
> 
> From here on out I always seem to get this error no matter what I do...
> 
> Error in POL_Wine
> Wine seems to have crashed
> 
> And this is as far I can get.
> 
> 

First, are you using Stretch, or testing/sid?

Did you add the i386 architecture to dpkg?

# dpkg --add-architecture i386
# apt update

You will then need to reinstall wine, and possibly your drivers. If you
are using Nvidia graphics, you *definitely* need to reinstall your
drivers and the proprietary drivers.

# apt install wine wine32 wine64 libwine libwine:i386 fonts-wine

I would also consider installing wine from backports, or directly from
WineHQ. Details on how to install from WineQH are on the WineHQ website.

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[deloptes]

Frank McCormick wrote:

> I was under the impression that it has been suggested in the past to not
> use packages from deb-multimedia.org as it causes other problems?

Might be, but for the past 10y I have encountered null. If you mess up with
your system for sure, but all works great on default stretch.

You have to know what you are doing, but also the multimedia
repository/maintainers improved I think. I use many multimedia packages
from there and zero issues (of course not on daily bases).

regards

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[Frank McCormick]

On 1/25/19 8:25 AM, deloptes wrote:

bapt x wrote:


Hello,

Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
Debian package repository?
I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the
official repository so it should not be a legal problem.
It would be nice to have this package in the official repository instead
of adding an unofficial third-party repository.

Thanks.

Baptiste


Put this in your source.list or in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/multimedia.list

deb http://deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-freee

and you have what you want. Check http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ for
details.

regards



I was under the impression that it has been suggested in the past to not 
use packages from deb-multimedia.org as it causes other problems?



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Re: Need help getting Cinelerra to run

[deloptes]

Jiangsu Kumquat wrote:

> Please email me directly with your reply as I probably will not see your
> reply in the mailing list.
> 
> Cinelerra is a fantastic non-linear video editor for Linux. Unfortunately
> I am unable to get it running under Debian. I'm using stable with latest
> updates. (This software has been out for a years. Why is it not part of
> Debian?)
> 
[...]
> 
> I'm not sure how to get past these errors... I don't know what to do now.
> There used to be a repository that I could link to in "sources.list" but
> that site seems to no longer exist. This is how I installed it into Ubuntu
> when I used Cinelerra before.

Try 
deb http://deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free
somewhere in your source.list. I use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/multimedia.list

BTW marillat has changed to deb-multimedia.org couple of years ago.
Incredible you missed that :)


$ apt-cache show cinelerra
Package: cinelerra
Version: 4.6.1-dmo3
Installed-Size: 18933
Maintainer: Christian Marillat 
Architecture: amd64
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.3), libbz2-1.0, libc6
(>= 2.15), libdv4, libfaac0, libfaad2 (>= 2.7), libflac8 (>= 1.3.0),
libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglu1-mesa | libglu1,
libiec61883-0 (>= 1.2.0), libilmbase12 (>= 2.2.0), libjpeg62-turbo (>=
1.3.1), libmp3lame0 (>= 1:3.99.0), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libopenexr22 (>=
2.2.0), libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libraw1394-11, libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.20),
libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libtheora0 (>= 0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg), libtiff5 (>=
4.0.3), libva1 (>= 1.0.3), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (>=
1.1.2), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1),
libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), cinelerra-data
Recommends: mpeg3-utils
Conflicts: libguicast, libmpeg3hv
Description-en: audio/video authoring tool
 Cinelerra is a complete audio and video authoring tool. It understands a
 lot of multimedia formats (quicktime, avi, ogg) and audio/video compression
 codecs (divx, xvid, mpeg1/2, ...)
Description-md5: a53426e49e9c6560fb46476be65f848d
Bugs: mailto:maril...@deb-multimedia.org
Homepage: http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php
Section: graphics
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/c/cinelerra/cinelerra_4.6.1-dmo3_amd64.deb
Size: 5992878
MD5sum: 114efc6eefb8fdf7eb8f57650d04e154
SHA1: 5b69c1a0d9631bdbe375858337f11b49496717fd
SHA256: 2b95e0f16431b73dcde783304c7a9fc6f7d11836a82b5b80c006fff8da0c2454

Need help with Play on Linux

[Jiangsu Kumquat]

Please email me directly as I might not see your reply in the mailing list.

I installed "Play on Linux" and attempted to run a program under it. You
can download it here:

https://www.playonlinux.com/

I am trying to completely rid myself of using Windows. The only thing that
I really need Windows for is to play games made for Windows. So, if I can
get this to work, I'll put Microsoft in the waste bin!

No matter what I do, it tells me that Wine has crashed. When I try to
install a program either manually or a supported software, it tells me that
Wine has crashed and I never see the Windows installer box.

I have tried both the 32 and 64 bit versions of wine and they both crash.
(I installed wind with APT and also installed wine from inside plays on
linux.)

Here is an error I get when I first execute the program:

PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.
You might encounter problem with your games

>From here on out I always seem to get this error no matter what I do...

Error in POL_Wine
Wine seems to have crashed

And this is as far I can get.

Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 1/25/19, Andrea Borgia  wrote:
> TLDR it's complicated :)
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=203211


Going all DR like that meant you missed the very special message that
your parcel package couldn't be delivered =D


> Il giorno ven 25 gen 2019 alle ore 13:09 bapt x  ha
> scritto:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
>> Debian package repository?


Lack of Debian repository inclusion will be about things like lack of
enough manpower to maintain a consistent flow of help with
packaging/repackaging it so that it operates seamlessly within Debian.
Original Developer(s)' CHOICE of licensing options plays a part, too.


>> I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the
>> official repository so it should not be a legal problem.
>> It would be nice to have this package in the official repository instead
>> of adding an unofficial third-party repository.


I went on this same hunt a couple years ago after I finally
re-remembered its unusual name. I found it as a stand-alone package
that worked *in my setup*. That same older download still works,
actually. It was one of those self-contained "app" kind of deals.
Xfce4's file manager, Thunar, defines its file type as "AppImage
application bundle".

A quick search of the Web found Sourceforge, but I can't get the page
to load for nothin' k/t local dialup this morning:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/avidemux/

Based on the other sites I'm seeing in my search, it's possible
Sourceforge is where I got mine from (that couple years ago), but I
can't swear to it without seeing Sourceforge actually load up.

Just ran my old copy (2.6.20) to verify it does "actually" work. Its
"Help > About" feature officially refers to the following website that
"very succinctly" aka abruptly points us elsewhere:

http://avidemux.org/

The following is primarily just to have this in the archives relative
to this topic..

The thing about AppImages and other similar similar packaging is that
you have to make a conscious, executive decision regarding how each
one's creators'/owners' licensing works with respect to your own
needs, policies, and usages. When we find packages easily accessible
in the various Debian repositories, very kindly others have already
done the mental drain of that work by researching, verifying, and then
labeling THOUSANDS of packages within the main, contrib, and non-free
child directories. #ThankYOU to those kindly folks! :)

Cindy :)
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Need help getting Cinelerra to run

[Jiangsu Kumquat]

Please email me directly with your reply as I probably will not see your
reply in the mailing list.

Cinelerra is a fantastic non-linear video editor for Linux. Unfortunately I
am unable to get it running under Debian. I'm using stable with latest
updates. (This software has been out for a years. Why is it not part of
Debian?)

You can download both the source code and the binary here:

https://cinelerra.org/download

I have tried to get both to run and have no luck with either of them. It
worked last time I used it with Ubuntu. (which was a while ago)

*When I try to run the binary, I get this error:*

./cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory

I noticed that libpng16 is installed on my system, but apparently it
doesn't want that.

*When I try to compile the source, I get this error:*

First I had to compile zlib and libpng16 because ./configure was
complaining then after I made it through ./configure, I did 'make' and it
compiled for quite a while and then I got this error... this is the last
bit of output from the 'make' command.

/usr/bin/ld: libx264.a(mc-a2.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden
symbol `x264_pw_32' can not be used when making a shared object
/usr/bin/ld: libx264.a(pixel-a.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden
symbol `x264_pw_00ff' can not be used when making a shared object
/usr/bin/ld: libx264.a(predict-a.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden
symbol `x264_pb_1' can not be used when making a shared object
/usr/bin/ld: libx264.a(dct-64.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden
symbol `x264_hsub_mul' can not be used when making a shared object
/usr/bin/ld: libx264.a(sad-a.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden
symbol `x264_pw_8' can not be used when making a shared object
/usr/bin/ld: libx264.a(trellis-64.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against symbol
`x264_cabac_entropy' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile
with -fPIC
/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
Makefile:200: recipe for target 'x264' failed
make[3]: *** [x264] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
'/home/me/tmp/cinelerra-6/quicktime/thirdparty/x264.082315'
Makefile:315: recipe for target 'x86_64/x264' failed
make[2]: *** [x86_64/x264] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/me/tmp/cinelerra-6/quicktime'
build/Makefile.cinelerra:26: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/me/tmp/cinelerra-6'
Makefile:2: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2

I'm not sure how to get past these errors... I don't know what to do now.
There used to be a repository that I could link to in "sources.list" but
that site seems to no longer exist. This is how I installed it into Ubuntu
when I used Cinelerra before.

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[Pierre L.]

ALT-F4 sur Thunderbird avant la mise en hibernation ?


Le 25/01/2019 à 11:35, hamster a écrit :
> D'ailleurs si il y avait une fonction pour que thunderbird oublie les
> mots de passe des boites mails avant d'hiberner / mettre en veille, ca
> serait cool.




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Re: Monitor y Tarjeta Grafica

[qorg11]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:44:26AM +, David wrote:
>  Hola Debianitas:
> Estoy pensando comprarme un ordenador con monitor con las siguientes 
> características, quisiera saber si funcionaría bien en Debian o podría haber 
> algún problema.
Si su tarjeta grafica funciona sin problemas en Debian, y aguanta la resolución 
del nuevo monitor, no tendría ningun problema.
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Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[deloptes]

bapt x wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
> Debian package repository?
> I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the
> official repository so it should not be a legal problem.
> It would be nice to have this package in the official repository instead
> of adding an unofficial third-party repository.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Baptiste

Put this in your source.list or in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/multimedia.list

deb http://deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-freee

and you have what you want. Check http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ for
details.

regards

Repositorio local

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

Estoy creando un repositorio local para lo cual uso debmirror

Ahora tengo dudas sobre lo que hace el parámetro -timeout

Alguien me podrá una pequeña explicación de la función de dicho parámetro?

Otra duda que tengo como podría verificar que la descarga se callo para 
poder echar a andar de nuevo el script?


Saludos Cordiales a toda la comunidad
--
Ismael

report bug

[Paul Sutton]

Hi

I have set up report-bug however upon running I am informs me that 
gir1.2-vte-2.91
 is missing, this is required to run the program with the GUI. 

I have no problem installing this (and have done) but just thought I
would mention it.

 report bug defaults to the CLI version anyway.

Paul


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Re: About me App

[Curt]

On 2019-01-25, Paul Sutton  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Just thought I would post a question with regard the About me
> application in Debian.

Are you referring to the 'mate-about-me' control center applet?

Imprecision is the mother of annoyance. Don't ask me who the father
is--he's probably left town already. But keep 'em guessing.

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[Sébastien Dinot]

- Mail original -
> J'ai l'impression a ce que tu dis que pour toi l'interet de
> l'hibernation se situe au niveau de la rapidité du reveil. Mais pour
> moi c'est surtout le fait de retrouver mon travail en cours, de pas
> avoir a tout fermer quand j'éteins puis tout rouvrir ensuite.

En effet, je ne nie pas l'intérêt de retrouver sa session de travail en l'état, 
mais en ce qui me concerne, le contexte réseau et mes activités changent à 
chaque fois que je me déplace. Du coup, la persistance de la session de travail 
n'a pas beaucoup d'intérêt. :)

Sébastien

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Re: missing avidemux Debian package

[Andrea Borgia]

TLDR it's complicated :)

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=203211

Il giorno ven 25 gen 2019 alle ore 13:09 bapt x  ha
scritto:

> Hello,
>
> Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
> Debian package repository?
> I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the
> official repository so it should not be a legal problem.
> It would be nice to have this package in the official repository instead
> of adding an unofficial third-party repository.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Baptiste
>

missing avidemux Debian package

[bapt x]

Hello,

Is there a reason for avidemux video editor is not being in the official
Debian package repository?
I see multimedia packages like VLC video player are present in the official
repository so it should not be a legal problem.
It would be nice to have this package in the official repository instead of
adding an unofficial third-party repository.

Thanks.

Baptiste

About me App

[Paul Sutton]

Hi

Just thought I would post a question with regard the About me
application in Debian.

I can load the application up fine,  after enter data, clicking apply
asks for a password, after entering this I get an "unknown error"
dialogue box.

This seems to be the case for the last 3 point releases and also seems
to apply to the normal Debian.  I just wondered if anyone else has
noticed this.


Paul

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Intro

[Paul Sutton]

Hi

Just decided to join this list as I have now switched to Debian from
mint.   I have been using Linux for quite some time but am not really an
expert at the admin side of things.   Currently using Debian non-free.

I am also documentation lead for a OS called ToriOS which is based on
Debian.

I have a question on the About Me application which I will post in a
separate e-mail.


Paul


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Re: Disque Dur SSD

[Sébastien Dinot]

- Mail original -
> J'ai l'impression a ce que tu dis que pour toi l'interet de
> l'hibernation se situe au niveau de la rapidité du reveil. Mais pour
> moi c'est surtout le fait de retrouver mon travail en cours, de pas
> avoir a tout fermer quand j'éteins puis tout rouvrir ensuite.

En effet, je ne nie pas l'intérêt de retrouver sa session de travail en l'état, 
mais en ce qui me concerne, le contexte réseau et mes activités changent peu ou 
prou à chaque fois que je me déplace. :)

Sébastien

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http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Ok, une autre piste à explorer alors. Merci.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 11:20, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 25/01/2019 à 10:49, SB45730 a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.
>>
>> Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
>> Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années) … mais je ne
>> suis pas un spécialiste Linux/Débian. En fait, je cherche quelque chose
>> de léger pour mon vieux coucou avec une interface graphique sur laquelle
>> je peux faire tourner le minimum vital (pour moi) Firefox, Libre office
>> et si possible Thunderbird.
> 
> Alors tu peux parfaitement utiliser sous Debian un simple gestionnaire
> de fenêtres comme ceux que tu cites sans avoir recours à un
> environnement de bureau. Simplement tu ne trouveras pas d'image Debian
> Live proposant ces gestionnaires de fenêtres pour les tester (Enfin,
> peut-être que l'image LXDE propose une option Openbox dans le
> gestionnaire de connexion). Et comme le souligne hamster, non seulement
> tu pers en ergonomie (mais tu peux très bien trouver que les pertes sont
> négligeables et le gain de légèreté intéressant) mais dès que tu lances
> une appli lourde, de nos jours la consommation en ressources du WM ou du
> DE devient négligeable. Ceci dit je trouve que les navigateurs web, à
> cause de l'explosion de l'usage des smartphones, procurent actuellement
> sur PC une expérience plus plaisante qu'auparavant parce qu'ils se sont
> penchés sur la consommation de ressources
> 

Monitor y Tarjeta Grafica

[David]

 Hola Debianitas:
Estoy pensando comprarme un ordenador con monitor con las siguientes 
características, quisiera saber si funcionaría bien en Debian o podría haber 
algún problema.

MonitorBenq Full HD LED de 24” (24 pulgadas) o 2K o 4K.
- Tecnología Eye Care
- LowBlue Light (Baja luz azul para el cuidado ocular)
- Velocidad de respuesta de 1 ms
- Puertos HDMI y Display Port
- Sincronizador NVIDIA G-Sync
- Frecuencia 144Hz
- Resolución 2560x1440 en formato 16:9 ¿cuanto costaría con esta resolución?, 
que es la 2K
- Que el apoyo, peana, permita subir/bajar e inclinar hacia adelante/atrás la 
pantalla, para así compensar si el angulo de visión no es muy bueno (170/160), 
si no es Benq y es otra marca no me importa mucho pero tiene que cumplir todas 
las demás características. Se que estas características implican un coste mayor 
de 200 € y para utilizarlas posiblemente haya que colocar una NVIDIA GTX que es 
más cara que las NVIDIA GT que es la que siempre he usado.
- La VGA ASUS NVIDIA CERBERUS GTX1050-O2G 2GB GDDR5 DVI HDMI DISPLAY PORT 
cuesta 180 € pero le saca mejor partido a un monitor de 24” Full HD o 2K o 4K


Un saludo
David

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Merci.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 11:13, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> 
> 
> - Mail original -
>> De: "Erwann Le Bras" 
>> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
>> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 11:00:58
>> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
>>
>> bonjour
>>
>> J'ai un Dell 1520 avec une Debian stable "standard" et un bureau
>> XFCE,
>> même mieux qu'avec son Vista de base.
>>
>> Tourne très bien avec 3Go de RAM, il ne swappe pas. Si tu peux
>> ajouter 1
>> ou 2Go de RAM ce serait utile.
>>
>> à l'usage, éviter Firefox, un peu lourd ; perso j'utilise Palemoon,
>> plus
>> léger (dépôt à rajouter). En multimédia c'est très correct, pour
>> regarder des vidéos plein écran sur un écran TV externe, même avec
>> des
>> outils standard (VLC).
>>
>> Pour la messagerie, Thunderbird tourne très correctement, de même les
>> outils bureautiques (Libreoffice)
>>
>> L'essentiel est supporté mais pas les boutons multimédias dont je ne
>> me
>> sert pas.
>>
>> J'avais essayé Lubuntu, mais il ne m'a pas plu (ergonomie, logiciels
>> utilisés).
>>
>> Bref, vas-y
> 
> bonjour,
> 
> merci pour le lien :
> 
> https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser=palemoon
> 
> pour le sources.list (root) :
> 
> cat >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list < 
> deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_9.0/ /
> #wget -c -nv -O - 
> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:stevenpusser/Debian_9.0/Release.key
>  |apt-key add -
> 
> 
> merci
> slt
> bernard
> 

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[aishen]

je ne sais pas... J'utilise pas "hiberne"

Mais un ssd c'est très rapide... Plus besoin d'hiberner

Démarrage, environ 5 seconde... c'est vrai j'ai 16 Go de RAM et un AMD 
64 x8, mais enfin aujourd'hui c'est dépassé


Le 25/01/2019 à 11:35, hamster a écrit :

Le 25/01/2019 à 11:27, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :

Bonjour,

- Mail original -

Ah. Comment on fait pour hiberner alors, si on a pas de swap ?

J'ai une partition de swap sur mon disque NVMe, mais vu le niveau de 
performance de ce disque (surtout en lecture en ce qui me concerne, vu qu'en 
écriture, le débit est sérieusement ralenti par la capacité de chiffrement du 
processeur), l'hibernation perd beaucoup d'intérêt à mes yeux.

J'ai l'impression a ce que tu dis que pour toi l'interet de
l'hibernation se situe au niveau de la rapidité du reveil. Mais pour moi
c'est surtout le fait de retrouver mon travail en cours, de pas avoir a
tout fermer quand j'éteins puis tout rouvrir ensuite.

D'ailleurs si il y avait une fonction pour que thunderbird oublie les
mots de passe des boites mails avant d'hiberner / mettre en veille, ca
serait cool.

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Bonjour,

Merci de ces infos. Je ne suis pas chaud pour ajouter de la Ram. Les 2
slots sont occupés je crois. Bien noté pour Firefox

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 11:00, Erwann Le Bras a écrit :
> bonjour
> 
> J'ai un Dell 1520 avec une Debian stable "standard" et un bureau XFCE,
> même mieux qu'avec son Vista de base.
> 
> Tourne très bien avec 3Go de RAM, il ne swappe pas. Si tu peux ajouter 1
> ou 2Go de RAM ce serait utile.
> 
> à l'usage, éviter Firefox, un peu lourd ; perso j'utilise Palemoon, plus
> léger (dépôt à rajouter). En multimédia c'est très correct, pour
> regarder des vidéos plein écran sur un écran TV externe, même avec des
> outils standard (VLC).
> 
> Pour la messagerie, Thunderbird tourne très correctement, de même les
> outils bureautiques (Libreoffice)
> 
> L'essentiel est supporté mais pas les boutons multimédias dont je ne me
> sert pas.
> 
> J'avais essayé Lubuntu, mais il ne m'a pas plu (ergonomie, logiciels
> utilisés).
> 
> Bref, vas-y
> 
> Le 25/01/2019 à 10:46, hamster a écrit :
>> Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
>>> Bonjour à tous,
>>>
>>> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
>>> c'est
>>> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
>>> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>>>
>>> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
>>> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
>>> fenetres.
>>>
>>> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
>> Si j'ai bien compris, tu a 1 G de mémoire sur ce truc. Dans ce cas
>> j'installe une débian standard avec le bureau mate (ou XFCE, ou LXDE,
>> selon tes préférences). C'est limite mais ca passe. Il ne faut pas
>> t'attendre a des performances dignes de ce nom, par exemple il ne faut
>> pas espérer faire tourner en meme temps firefox avec plusieurs onglets
>> ouverts et libre office ou gimp, mais ca tourne.
>>
>> Tu peux aussi aller voir des distros mini faites pour vieux ordis, ce
>> qui implique en général de faire des concessions sur l'ergonomie et les
>> habitudes de travail. Ca marchera mieux sans qu'il faille pour autant
>> t'attendre a des miracles : de nos jours les sites web ont des pages
>> très très lourdes, bourrées de javascript, alors si chaque onglet de
>> firefox te consomme 300 Mo, t'a beau mettre un système très léger, le
>> giga est vite atteint.
>>
> 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Ok, merci de ces conseils.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 11:00, hamster a écrit :
> Le 25/01/2019 à 10:49, SB45730 a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.
>>
>> Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
>> Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années)
> 
> Si ces trucs sont a ton gout, libre a toi de les utiliser. Dans ce cas
> une distro du genre antixlinux qui a déjà été conseillé est très bien.
> Mais c'est précisément a ca (ainsi qu'a rox-filer) que je pensais quand
> je disais "concessions sur l'ergonomie".
> 
> Avec 2 Go de RAM tu n'a pas du tout besoin d'aller chercher des
> solutions aussi extrèmes. Des bureaux simples mais conviviaux comme mate
> / LXDE / XFCE tourneront très bien.
> 

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[hamster]

Le 25/01/2019 à 11:27, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> - Mail original -
>> Ah. Comment on fait pour hiberner alors, si on a pas de swap ?
> J'ai une partition de swap sur mon disque NVMe, mais vu le niveau de 
> performance de ce disque (surtout en lecture en ce qui me concerne, vu qu'en 
> écriture, le débit est sérieusement ralenti par la capacité de chiffrement du 
> processeur), l'hibernation perd beaucoup d'intérêt à mes yeux.

J'ai l'impression a ce que tu dis que pour toi l'interet de
l'hibernation se situe au niveau de la rapidité du reveil. Mais pour moi
c'est surtout le fait de retrouver mon travail en cours, de pas avoir a
tout fermer quand j'éteins puis tout rouvrir ensuite.

D'ailleurs si il y avait une fonction pour que thunderbird oublie les
mots de passe des boites mails avant d'hiberner / mettre en veille, ca
serait cool.

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[Sébastien Dinot]

Bonjour,

- Mail original -
> Ah. Comment on fait pour hiberner alors, si on a pas de swap ?

J'ai une partition de swap sur mon disque NVMe, mais vu le niveau de 
performance de ce disque (surtout en lecture en ce qui me concerne, vu qu'en 
écriture, le débit est sérieusement ralenti par la capacité de chiffrement du 
processeur), l'hibernation perd beaucoup d'intérêt à mes yeux.

Mais le swap reste pertinent pour le reste, même si la quantité de mémoire 
disponible sur les PC récents fait qu'il n'est utilisé par le noyau que par 
anticipation (le noyau cache les pages inutilisées au cas où il aurait besoin 
de mémoire à un moment ou un autre, mais peu ou prou jamais parce qu'il y est 
contraint).

Sébastien

-- 
Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr
http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[didier gaumet]

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:49, SB45730 a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.
> 
> Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
> Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années) … mais je ne
> suis pas un spécialiste Linux/Débian. En fait, je cherche quelque chose
> de léger pour mon vieux coucou avec une interface graphique sur laquelle
> je peux faire tourner le minimum vital (pour moi) Firefox, Libre office
> et si possible Thunderbird.

Alors tu peux parfaitement utiliser sous Debian un simple gestionnaire
de fenêtres comme ceux que tu cites sans avoir recours à un
environnement de bureau. Simplement tu ne trouveras pas d'image Debian
Live proposant ces gestionnaires de fenêtres pour les tester (Enfin,
peut-être que l'image LXDE propose une option Openbox dans le
gestionnaire de connexion). Et comme le souligne hamster, non seulement
tu pers en ergonomie (mais tu peux très bien trouver que les pertes sont
négligeables et le gain de légèreté intéressant) mais dès que tu lances
une appli lourde, de nos jours la consommation en ressources du WM ou du
DE devient négligeable. Ceci dit je trouve que les navigateurs web, à
cause de l'explosion de l'usage des smartphones, procurent actuellement
sur PC une expérience plus plaisante qu'auparavant parce qu'ils se sont
penchés sur la consommation de ressources

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Bernard Schoenacker" 
> À: "debian" 
> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 11:13:39
> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
> 
> 
> 
bonjour,

je viens de voir que j'ai fait une omission :

cat >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Erwann Le Bras" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 11:00:58
> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
> 
> bonjour
> 
> J'ai un Dell 1520 avec une Debian stable "standard" et un bureau
> XFCE,
> même mieux qu'avec son Vista de base.
> 
> Tourne très bien avec 3Go de RAM, il ne swappe pas. Si tu peux
> ajouter 1
> ou 2Go de RAM ce serait utile.
> 
> à l'usage, éviter Firefox, un peu lourd ; perso j'utilise Palemoon,
> plus
> léger (dépôt à rajouter). En multimédia c'est très correct, pour
> regarder des vidéos plein écran sur un écran TV externe, même avec
> des
> outils standard (VLC).
> 
> Pour la messagerie, Thunderbird tourne très correctement, de même les
> outils bureautiques (Libreoffice)
> 
> L'essentiel est supporté mais pas les boutons multimédias dont je ne
> me
> sert pas.
> 
> J'avais essayé Lubuntu, mais il ne m'a pas plu (ergonomie, logiciels
> utilisés).
> 
> Bref, vas-y

bonjour,

merci pour le lien :

https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser=palemoon

pour le sources.list (root) :

cat >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list 

Re: Disque Dur SSD

[hamster]

Le 25/01/2019 à 07:35, aishen a écrit :
> on n'a pas besoin de swap sur un ssd linux

Ah. Comment on fait pour hiberner alors, si on a pas de swap ?

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[hamster]

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:49, SB45730 a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.
>
> Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
> Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années)

Si ces trucs sont a ton gout, libre a toi de les utiliser. Dans ce cas
une distro du genre antixlinux qui a déjà été conseillé est très bien.
Mais c'est précisément a ca (ainsi qu'a rox-filer) que je pensais quand
je disais "concessions sur l'ergonomie".

Avec 2 Go de RAM tu n'a pas du tout besoin d'aller chercher des
solutions aussi extrèmes. Des bureaux simples mais conviviaux comme mate
/ LXDE / XFCE tourneront très bien.

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[Erwann Le Bras]

bonjour

J'ai un Dell 1520 avec une Debian stable "standard" et un bureau XFCE, 
même mieux qu'avec son Vista de base.


Tourne très bien avec 3Go de RAM, il ne swappe pas. Si tu peux ajouter 1 
ou 2Go de RAM ce serait utile.


à l'usage, éviter Firefox, un peu lourd ; perso j'utilise Palemoon, plus 
léger (dépôt à rajouter). En multimédia c'est très correct, pour 
regarder des vidéos plein écran sur un écran TV externe, même avec des 
outils standard (VLC).


Pour la messagerie, Thunderbird tourne très correctement, de même les 
outils bureautiques (Libreoffice)


L'essentiel est supporté mais pas les boutons multimédias dont je ne me 
sert pas.


J'avais essayé Lubuntu, mais il ne m'a pas plu (ergonomie, logiciels 
utilisés).


Bref, vas-y

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:46, hamster a écrit :

Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
c'est
https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/


Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.

Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
fenetres.

Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,

Si j'ai bien compris, tu a 1 G de mémoire sur ce truc. Dans ce cas
j'installe une débian standard avec le bureau mate (ou XFCE, ou LXDE,
selon tes préférences). C'est limite mais ca passe. Il ne faut pas
t'attendre a des performances dignes de ce nom, par exemple il ne faut
pas espérer faire tourner en meme temps firefox avec plusieurs onglets
ouverts et libre office ou gimp, mais ca tourne.

Tu peux aussi aller voir des distros mini faites pour vieux ordis, ce
qui implique en général de faire des concessions sur l'ergonomie et les
habitudes de travail. Ca marchera mieux sans qu'il faille pour autant
t'attendre a des miracles : de nos jours les sites web ont des pages
très très lourdes, bourrées de javascript, alors si chaque onglet de
firefox te consomme 300 Mo, t'a beau mettre un système très léger, le
giga est vite atteint.

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Merci, je vais regarder cela aussi alors.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:56, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> 
> 
> - Mail original -
>> De: "SB45730" 
>> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
>> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 10:49:47
>> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.
>>
>> Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
>> Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années) … mais je ne
>> suis pas un spécialiste Linux/Débian. En fait, je cherche quelque
>> chose
>> de léger pour mon vieux coucou avec une interface graphique sur
>> laquelle
>> je peux faire tourner le minimum vital (pour moi) Firefox, Libre
>> office
>> et si possible Thunderbird.
>>
>> Cordialement.
>> Stéphane.
> 
> bonjour,
> 
> le gestionnaire de bureau intéressant : lxQT
> 
> attention, il faut partir d'une install mini (netinstall)
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt
> 
> https://www.pcsuggest.com/install-lxqt-desktop-in-debian/
> 
> pour naviguer sur le net : midori
> 
> ne pas utiliser au maximum firefox sinon c'est la ram qui sature
> et le cpu tourne à fond avec le swap ...
> 
> merci
> slt
> bernard
> 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "SB45730" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 10:49:47
> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.
> 
> Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
> Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années) … mais je ne
> suis pas un spécialiste Linux/Débian. En fait, je cherche quelque
> chose
> de léger pour mon vieux coucou avec une interface graphique sur
> laquelle
> je peux faire tourner le minimum vital (pour moi) Firefox, Libre
> office
> et si possible Thunderbird.
> 
> Cordialement.
> Stéphane.

bonjour,

le gestionnaire de bureau intéressant : lxQT

attention, il faut partir d'une install mini (netinstall)

https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt

https://www.pcsuggest.com/install-lxqt-desktop-in-debian/

pour naviguer sur le net : midori

ne pas utiliser au maximum firefox sinon c'est la ram qui sature
et le cpu tourne à fond avec le swap ...

merci
slt
bernard

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Bonjour,

Merci de ces infos. Il a 2 Go de Ram.

Je veux justement le ressusciter pour faire tourner Firefox mais un
onglet (2 max) à la fois et Libre office.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:46, hamster a écrit :
> Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
>> c'est
>> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>>
>>
>> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
>> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>>
>> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
>> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
>> fenetres.
>>
>> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
> 
> Si j'ai bien compris, tu a 1 G de mémoire sur ce truc. Dans ce cas
> j'installe une débian standard avec le bureau mate (ou XFCE, ou LXDE,
> selon tes préférences). C'est limite mais ca passe. Il ne faut pas
> t'attendre a des performances dignes de ce nom, par exemple il ne faut
> pas espérer faire tourner en meme temps firefox avec plusieurs onglets
> ouverts et libre office ou gimp, mais ca tourne.
> 
> Tu peux aussi aller voir des distros mini faites pour vieux ordis, ce
> qui implique en général de faire des concessions sur l'ergonomie et les
> habitudes de travail. Ca marchera mieux sans qu'il faille pour autant
> t'attendre a des miracles : de nos jours les sites web ont des pages
> très très lourdes, bourrées de javascript, alors si chaque onglet de
> firefox te consomme 300 Mo, t'a beau mettre un système très léger, le
> giga est vite atteint.
> 

Re: benchmark bureaux

[hamster]

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:27, didier gaumet a écrit :
> je pense
> que LXDE est le plus économe en ressources, XFce un peu moins et les
> autres encore moins:

J'ai fait des essais très sommaires : mesure du temps de boot et de la
quantité de mémoire occupée juste après le démarrage. Résultat : LXDE,
XFCE et mate sont dans un mouchoir de poche, les autres sont carrement
plus lourds. Mais je suis bien conscient que des tests aussi sommaires
sont très insuffisants pour se faire une idée sérieuse. Alors si des
gens ont plus d'infos la dessus ca m'interesse.

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Merci.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:43, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> 
> 
> - Mail original -
>> De: "SB45730" 
>> À: "Bernard Schoenacker" 
>> Cc: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
>> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 10:38:26
>> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Merci beaucoup. J'ai regardé, il a 2 Go de RAM.
>>
>> Je vais essayer les 2 pour voir.
>>
>> Cordialement.
>> Stéphane.
> 
> bonjour,
> 
> si tu as 2 Go de ram alors c'est jouable avec xfce
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.7.0-amd64-xfce.iso
> 
> le reste est toujours valide (etcher)
> 
> merci
> slt
> bernard
> 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Bonjour,

Merci. J'irai voir cela.

Cordialement.

Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:38, ju a écrit :
> sinon et je vais peut etre dire une connerie n'etant pas un specialiste
> tu peux installer bunsenlab il on une version assez rapide sur les vieux
> ordi c'est ce que j'avais fait sur un
> 
> vieil ordi et sa fonctionnais niquel
> 
> 
> 
> ps: je suis nouveau sur la liste et vous suis depuis quelques semaines
> même si je ne suis pas intervenu
> 
> manquant de connaissances pour la plupart des sujets ;)
> 
> Le 25/01/2019 à 10:27, didier gaumet a écrit :
>> Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
>>> Bonjour à tous,
>>>
>>> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
>>> c'est
>>> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>>>
>>>
>>> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
>>> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>>>
>>> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
>>> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
>>> fenetres.
>>>
>>> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
>>>
>>> Cordialement.
>>> Stéphane
>>>
>>>
>> Comme ça d'après la fiche technique, j'aurais tendance à dire (mais je
>> me trompe peut-être) qu'avec 1Go de RAM si tu n'en as pas rajouté, il
>> vaut mieux te cantonner aux versions 32 bits même si ton processeur est
>> un 64 bits. Et tu parles de gestionnaire de fenêtres mais tu penses
>> probablement plus à un environnement de bureau. Si certains de tes
>> matériels (carte wifi, carte ethernet, carte graphique tombent parfois
>> dans cette catégorie) nécessitent un firmware, choisis les images
>> "unofficial". Pour ce qui est des environnements de bureau sur des
>> configurations modestes, parmi ce qui est proposé chez Debian, je pense
>> que LXDE est le plus économe en ressources, XFce un peu moins et les
>> autres encore moins:
>>   https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
>>
> 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Bonjour,

Merci de ces infos. J'ai vérifié. La ram est de 2 Go.

Pour le gestionnaire de fenetre, je pensais à quelque chose comme
Fluxbox, Openbox (que j'ai testé il y a quelques années) … mais je ne
suis pas un spécialiste Linux/Débian. En fait, je cherche quelque chose
de léger pour mon vieux coucou avec une interface graphique sur laquelle
je peux faire tourner le minimum vital (pour moi) Firefox, Libre office
et si possible Thunderbird.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:27, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
>> c'est
>> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>>
>>
>> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
>> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>>
>> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
>> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
>> fenetres.
>>
>> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
>>
>> Cordialement.
>> Stéphane
>>
>>
> 
> Comme ça d'après la fiche technique, j'aurais tendance à dire (mais je
> me trompe peut-être) qu'avec 1Go de RAM si tu n'en as pas rajouté, il
> vaut mieux te cantonner aux versions 32 bits même si ton processeur est
> un 64 bits. Et tu parles de gestionnaire de fenêtres mais tu penses
> probablement plus à un environnement de bureau. Si certains de tes
> matériels (carte wifi, carte ethernet, carte graphique tombent parfois
> dans cette catégorie) nécessitent un firmware, choisis les images
> "unofficial". Pour ce qui est des environnements de bureau sur des
> configurations modestes, parmi ce qui est proposé chez Debian, je pense
> que LXDE est le plus économe en ressources, XFce un peu moins et les
> autres encore moins:
>   https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
> 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[hamster]

Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
>
> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
> c'est
> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>
>
> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>
> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
> fenetres.
>
> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,

Si j'ai bien compris, tu a 1 G de mémoire sur ce truc. Dans ce cas
j'installe une débian standard avec le bureau mate (ou XFCE, ou LXDE,
selon tes préférences). C'est limite mais ca passe. Il ne faut pas
t'attendre a des performances dignes de ce nom, par exemple il ne faut
pas espérer faire tourner en meme temps firefox avec plusieurs onglets
ouverts et libre office ou gimp, mais ca tourne.

Tu peux aussi aller voir des distros mini faites pour vieux ordis, ce
qui implique en général de faire des concessions sur l'ergonomie et les
habitudes de travail. Ca marchera mieux sans qu'il faille pour autant
t'attendre a des miracles : de nos jours les sites web ont des pages
très très lourdes, bourrées de javascript, alors si chaque onglet de
firefox te consomme 300 Mo, t'a beau mettre un système très léger, le
giga est vite atteint.

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[ju]

sinon et je vais peut etre dire une connerie n'etant pas un specialiste
tu peux installer bunsenlab il on une version assez rapide sur les vieux
ordi c'est ce que j'avais fait sur un

vieil ordi et sa fonctionnais niquel



ps: je suis nouveau sur la liste et vous suis depuis quelques semaines
même si je ne suis pas intervenu

manquant de connaissances pour la plupart des sujets ;)

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:27, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
>> c'est
>> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>>
>>
>> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
>> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>>
>> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
>> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
>> fenetres.
>>
>> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
>>
>> Cordialement.
>> Stéphane
>>
>>
> Comme ça d'après la fiche technique, j'aurais tendance à dire (mais je
> me trompe peut-être) qu'avec 1Go de RAM si tu n'en as pas rajouté, il
> vaut mieux te cantonner aux versions 32 bits même si ton processeur est
> un 64 bits. Et tu parles de gestionnaire de fenêtres mais tu penses
> probablement plus à un environnement de bureau. Si certains de tes
> matériels (carte wifi, carte ethernet, carte graphique tombent parfois
> dans cette catégorie) nécessitent un firmware, choisis les images
> "unofficial". Pour ce qui est des environnements de bureau sur des
> configurations modestes, parmi ce qui est proposé chez Debian, je pense
> que LXDE est le plus économe en ressources, XFce un peu moins et les
> autres encore moins:
>   https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
>

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "SB45730" 
> À: "Bernard Schoenacker" 
> Cc: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 10:38:26
> Objet: Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Merci beaucoup. J'ai regardé, il a 2 Go de RAM.
> 
> Je vais essayer les 2 pour voir.
> 
> Cordialement.
> Stéphane.

bonjour,

si tu as 2 Go de ram alors c'est jouable avec xfce

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.7.0-amd64-xfce.iso

le reste est toujours valide (etcher)

merci
slt
bernard

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Bonjour,

Merci beaucoup. J'ai regardé, il a 2 Go de RAM.

Je vais essayer les 2 pour voir.

Cordialement.
Stéphane.

Le 25/01/2019 à 10:21, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> 
> 
> - Mail original -
>> De: "SB45730" 
>> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
>> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 09:55:30
>> Objet: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
>>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce
>> que
>> c'est
>> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
>>
>>
>> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
>> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
>>
>> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant
>> d'installer,
>> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
>> fenetres.
>>
>> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
>>
>> Cordialement.
>> Stéphane
>>
> 
> bonjour,
> 
> si tu ne peut pas augmenter en ram, voici la solution :
> 
> 
> https://antixlinux.com/download/
> 
> remarque: il faut pouvoir faire tourner linux sur 2Go de ram
> pourque ce soit confortable
> 
> pour debian: prendre l'image lxde hybride :
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.7.0-amd64-lxde.iso
> 
> à partir de windows, il faut installer etcher :
> 
> https://www.balena.io/etcher/
> 
> merci
> slt
> bernard
> 

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[didier gaumet]

Le 25/01/2019 à 09:55, SB45730 a écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
> c'est
> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
> 
> 
> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
> 
> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
> fenetres.
> 
> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
> 
> Cordialement.
> Stéphane
> 
> 

Comme ça d'après la fiche technique, j'aurais tendance à dire (mais je
me trompe peut-être) qu'avec 1Go de RAM si tu n'en as pas rajouté, il
vaut mieux te cantonner aux versions 32 bits même si ton processeur est
un 64 bits. Et tu parles de gestionnaire de fenêtres mais tu penses
probablement plus à un environnement de bureau. Si certains de tes
matériels (carte wifi, carte ethernet, carte graphique tombent parfois
dans cette catégorie) nécessitent un firmware, choisis les images
"unofficial". Pour ce qui est des environnements de bureau sur des
configurations modestes, parmi ce qui est proposé chez Debian, je pense
que LXDE est le plus économe en ressources, XFce un peu moins et les
autres encore moins:
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/

Re: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "SB45730" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Janvier 2019 09:55:30
> Objet: Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005
> 
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce
> que
> c'est
> https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/
> 
> 
> Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
> réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.
> 
> Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant
> d'installer,
> j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
> fenetres.
> 
> Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,
> 
> Cordialement.
> Stéphane
> 

bonjour,

si tu ne peut pas augmenter en ram, voici la solution :


https://antixlinux.com/download/

remarque: il faut pouvoir faire tourner linux sur 2Go de ram
pourque ce soit confortable

pour debian: prendre l'image lxde hybride :

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.7.0-amd64-lxde.iso

à partir de windows, il faut installer etcher :

https://www.balena.io/etcher/

merci
slt
bernard

Quelle image live pour un vieux portable Asus de 2005

[SB45730]

Bonjour à tous,

J'ai un vieux portable Asus A6000 de 2005 sous Windows XP. voici ce que
c'est
https://www.tomshardware.fr/2005/07/18/duel-turion-64-pentium-m-asus-a6000/2/


Ce n'est pas une bête de course avec XP mais j'aimerai bien le
réutiliser et le ressusciter avec une Débian légère.

Mais je ne sais pas quelle image choisir. Pour tester avant d'installer,
j'ai besoin d'une image live avec une interface de gestionnaire de
fenetres.

Si vous avez une idée, je vous remercie de votre aide,

Cordialement.
Stéphane