Re: Broken PMTUD / ICMP blackhole?
On 12/17/19 11:39 AM, Celejar wrote: Now I just have have to figure out the best place to configure this. I'm using dhcp via /etc/network/interfaces, but the 'dhcp' method doesn't seem to support manual MTU setting. I could use a 'supersede interface-mtu' line in dhclient.conf, but AFAICT, options there apply to all dhcp connections, and I can't make out a simple way to set them on a per connection basis. I suppose I could always just put 'ip link set wlan0 mtu 1440' in a script and hook it in to the appropriate 'iface' stanza in e/n/i with a 'post-up' line. Personally, I'd just use the post-up line. Ideally whichever device is the DHCP server would set the appropriate MTU via its DHCP response, but if that's the phone, I have no idea how you'd fix that easily. (That's why there is a supersede setting for it, it can be part of the DHCP response — that's how different MTUs from different DHCP connections should work.) Another option might be to use Network Manager, I think its connections can set a custom MTU, but I'm not 100% sure as I've never tried it. BTW: dhclient.conf options can be per-interface (via an interface section), so your wifi and wired adapters could be different.
Re: Invisible IPv6 addresses
Hi. On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 04:54:17PM -0500, Celejar wrote: > But the IPv6 address e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l is not actually configured > anywhere on the router (as shown by 'ip a' and other tools)! Either there's some IPv6 - IPv4 conversion involved, or Verison just terminates inbound IPv6 connections on their end. > Is this really how IP works, that since Verizon is sending packets > with that destination down my connection, my router is going to accept > and reply to them despite not having any such IP address configured? No. How IPv6 usually works is that you're given a /64 block of IPv6 addresses (whenever it's DHCPv6, RA or static configuration). But you can clear things out easily. Can you establish an outbound connection from the router via IPv6? Something like this should do it: curl https://ipv6.google.com Reco
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Re: POSS 2019
Bonjour, Le 17/12/2019 à 13:02, ajh-valmer a écrit : > Je n'ai eu aucun écho du POSS 2019, > même pas de la part de la ML des organisateurs, > (malgré demande), > certainement bémolisé par les grèves. > > Dommage... Quelques Asso ont eu du mal à venir, voir pour certaine cela a été impossible. Concernant Debian, nous étions bien présents et avions un stand. Nous étions deux membres de l'asso Debian France. Au niveau des visiteurs il n'y avait pas foule du tout... :/ Cordialement, Alban
Re: problems with skype
Emanuele Latini wrote: > My problem is the following During and after skype video call it's like > the keyboad gets crazy, if you push a key once it's like you never > stopped pushing it and every app get stuck. There s only one solution, > reboot In my opnion skype uses your usb camera correct? and this may glitch with the usb keyboard you use - especially if it is a cheap one. I see this from time to time with a cheap KVM switch. If you can try a better keyboard.
Re: Broken PMTUD / ICMP blackhole?
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:38:59 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > ...on my normal network connection, with > > the MTU left at the normal 1500, I have no problems. > > What *kind* of connection? Verizon Fios residential. But I have used my system with dozens of different internet connections, and I do not usually experience these sorts of problems. > > It's only while on this particular connection via cell phone tether > > that I see problems. > > The problem I experienced had to do with pppoe overhead and fixed packet Yes, many of the discussions I have seen of needing to lower MTU refer to PPPoE. > size but I see no reason a similar problem couldn't crop up elsewhere. > How does the tethering work? I'm not that familiar with the internals, but basically, the phone presents a wifi access point, the computer connects to it as it would to any AP, and the phone apparently routes packets to and from the cellular network. Celejar
problems with skype
Hi I'm not sure that s the right place where to post this problem, if not please address me somewhere else My problem is the following During and after skype video call it's like the keyboad gets crazy, if you push a key once it's like you never stopped pushing it and every app get stuck. There s only one solution, reboot i didn t t find any report on that on the web..like I m the only one experiencing this bug my distro is debian 10 buster
iptables e syslog
Lista Através do iptables, no computador gateway da rede eu consegui redirecionar o tráfego para um determinado IP e porta de um host da rede. Eu queria saber se seria possível através do iptables fazer uma cópia dos dados para um segundo IP e porta. Esse segundo host é um servidor de log. Alguém por acaso conhece algum software que possa armazenar esses dados provenientes do gateway? DEsde já agradeço pela atenção. .''`. Caio Abreu Ferreira : :' : abreuf...@gmail.com `. `'` Debian User `-
Invisible IPv6 addresses
Hi, [Somewhat off-topic, since this is a general networking topic:] I have Verizon Fios residential internet service. Verizon is notoriously cagey about its deployment of IPv6 for residential service [1], but I don't seem to officially have it - my router (running OpenWrt) tries dhcp6 but fails to get anything, and all the router's interfaces show only link-local addresses for IPv6. I noticed, however, that when I try to connect to the router over the public internet via a DDNS hostname tied to the router's external IPv4 address, the connections take place via IPv6! I dug (no pun intended) a bit further, and found this (where a.b.c.d is my Verizon-assigned (via dhcp) dotted-quad IPv4 address): ~$ host a.b.c.d d.c.b.a.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer pool-a-b-c-d.region.fios.verizon.net. (where 'region' is my geographic region). ~$ host pool-a-b-c-d.region.fios.verizon.net pool-a-b-c-d.region.fios.verizon.net has address a.b.c.d pool-a-b-c-d.region.fios.verizon.net has IPv6 address e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l So lo and behold, I do seem to have an IPv6 address, and this address e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l is indeed the one that my clients are using to reach the router (xxx.yyy.zzz is the DDNS hostname): ~$ ping xxx.yyy.zzz PING xxx.yyy.zzz(pool-a-b-c-d.region.fios.verizon.net (e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l)) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from pool-a-b-c-d.region.fios.verizon.net (e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=29.1 ms But the IPv6 address e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l is not actually configured anywhere on the router (as shown by 'ip a' and other tools)! Is this really how IP works, that since Verizon is sending packets with that destination down my connection, my router is going to accept and reply to them despite not having any such IP address configured? [1] https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/internet/getting-started/learn-about-ipv6 https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32136440-Networking-IPv6-working Celejar
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
Buenas, A lo mejor si que arranca pero, por alguna razón no es visible. Prueba a buscarlo con: pgrep davinci a ver que ocurre. Fran. PD: también sería una buena idea ejecutar: ps ax o: ps -la y ver si aparece de alguna forma. El 17/12/19, Pablo Ramirez escribió: > Ok gracias por todo y disculpa las molestias, de todos modos el programa no > arranca > > Saludos > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > >> El 17-12-2019, a las 16:18, Lista Debian escribió: >> > >
Re: instable X after upgrade to buster - X? firefox? liberoffice? screensaver? lxde?
The Debian bug you mention is related to xscreensaver 5.36 in Stretch, I don't know if it is still relevant for xscreensaver 5.42 in Buster. You told us that you upgraded to Buster by accident: did you apt dist-upgrade after apt upgrade?
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
Ok gracias por todo y disculpa las molestias, de todos modos el programa no arranca Saludos Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 17-12-2019, a las 16:18, Lista Debian escribió: >
Re: Broken PMTUD / ICMP blackhole?
Celejar writes: > ...on my normal network connection, with > the MTU left at the normal 1500, I have no problems. What *kind* of connection? > It's only while on this particular connection via cell phone tether > that I see problems. The problem I experienced had to do with pppoe overhead and fixed packet size but I see no reason a similar problem couldn't crop up elsewhere. How does the tethering work? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
inconsistent Clipit cut with firefox, konsole, claws
Hello, after upgrade from stretch to buster, my cut does not work as before any more. I run lxde, with clipboard manager Clipit 1.4.5 "using primary" and "syncing clipboards" is activated (not sure about the english labels, since I run german locale) Firefox: I cannot copy web adresses anymore by just selecting them, as I did before the update. I can however copy adresses by using ctl+C I can copy normal text from a webpage by just selecting it Konsole (18.04.0): sometimes I can copy text by just selecting it, sometimes I can't. claws mail: can't use bare X mouse clipboard any more, just CTL+C / CTL+V Is there any point where I can finetune this behaviour? Or at least understand it? Could I use another clipboard manager within lxde? - regards Wolfgang
Re: Impossible to type "ù"
Curt wrote: > None, really, sorry. I see you have a ù in your name, so this must be > pretty important. Me, I have little occasion to employ the character. Why sorry - one using Sid must be ready to pay the price.
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
Nuevamente me has contestado a mi en vez de a la lista. Dirige la respuesta a debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sigo contestando abajo El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 15:42 -0300, Pablo Ramirez escribió: > El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 19:27 +0100, Lista Debian escribió: > > Mejor contesta a la lista, así se sigue el hilo del problema, sigo > > contestando más abajo. > > > > El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 15:07 -0300, Pablo Ramirez escribió: > > > El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 18:22 +0100, Lista Debian escribió: > > > > Probablemente el entorno de root no es el correcto. Si haces > > > > login > > > > con > > > > un usuario normal y después te conviertes en root, asegúrate de > > > > hacerlo > > > > con > > > > > > > > $ su - > > > > > > > > nótese el guión. Y después usa el dpkg. A ver si es eso. > > > > > > > > Un saludo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gracias por tu respuesta. > > > > > > desconso gran parte del funcionamiento de la terminal, entiedo > > > que > > > para > > > ejecutar el comando dpkg tengo que estan en el directorio en > > > donde > > > se > > > encuentra el archivo .deb, desde el $ su - no encuentra el > > > archivo > > > y > > > no > > > puedo navegar entre directorios, lo que hago es entrar al > > > directorio > > > como usuario normal y desde ahi ejecutar el su pero sin guion, de > > > esa > > > forma me matiene en el directorio, si le agrego el guion me saca > > > del > > > mismo. > > > > Efectivamente. Lo que debes hacer es convertirte en root con $ su - > > y > > después, aunque te saca del directorio donde está el paquete, > > vuelves > > al directorio con el comando > > > > $ cd /directorio/que/sea > > > > y por último lanzas el dpkg > > > > Un saludo > > > > > > > logré llegar y ejecutar el comando > > root@Pablo:/home/pablo/Descargas/DaVinci# dpkg -i davinci- > resolve_16.1.2-1_amd6$ > (Leyendo la base de datos ... 182388 ficheros o directorios > instalados > actualme$ > Preparando para desempaquetar davinci-resolve_16.1.2-1_amd64.deb ... > Desempaquetando davinci-resolve (16.1.2-1) sobre (16.1.2-1) ... > Configurando davinci-resolve (16.1.2-1) ... > Procesando disparadores para gnome-menus (3.31.4-3) ... > Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils (0.23-4) ... > Procesando disparadores para mime-support (3.62) ... > root@Pablo:/home/pablo/Descargas/DaVinci# > > eso fue lo que devolvió y no hizo nada mas, no se si algo falló entre > medio por que el programa ni siquiera arranca. La instalación se ha realizado correctamente. Ahora tendrás que ver como lanzar el programa. Dependiendo de tu entorno de escritorio habrá algún icono del programa o algún menú donde poder lanzarlo. Si no lo encuentras prueba a lanzarlo desde el terminal: $ davinci-resolve Un saludo
Re: Broken PMTUD / ICMP blackhole?
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:53:21 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > tomas writes: > > I don't know the error message by heart, but here, it seems > > the message size is too big for your local MTU... > > Celejar writes: > > Yes, I think this is pretty clear. The local wifi interface has the > > standard MTU of 1500, so it rejects packets larger than that. > > > With = 1472, I get, at least sometimes: > > From 192.168.43.245 icmp_seq=2 Frag needed and DF set (mtu = 1472) > > tomas writes: > > This is definitely an ICMP message you receive from some upstream > > Celejar writes: > > Yes, except that I don't see this message consistently. I assume that's > > some sort of upstream flakiness. > > It has to do with TLS. Recent changes in the protocol have had the > result that it sometimes sends packets too large for the standard MTUs. > These packets cannot be fragmented, so you get intermittent problems > that seem like they must be at the other end. I've had to reduce my MTU > to 1300. I understand (sort of) why TLS is triggering the problem, but it's fundamentally a PMTUD problem: on my normal network connection, with the MTU left at the normal 1500, I have no problems. It's only while on this particular connection via cell phone tether that I see problems. Celejar
Re: Broken PMTUD / ICMP blackhole?
tomas writes: > I don't know the error message by heart, but here, it seems > the message size is too big for your local MTU... Celejar writes: > Yes, I think this is pretty clear. The local wifi interface has the > standard MTU of 1500, so it rejects packets larger than that. > With = 1472, I get, at least sometimes: > From 192.168.43.245 icmp_seq=2 Frag needed and DF set (mtu = 1472) tomas writes: > This is definitely an ICMP message you receive from some upstream Celejar writes: > Yes, except that I don't see this message consistently. I assume that's > some sort of upstream flakiness. It has to do with TLS. Recent changes in the protocol have had the result that it sometimes sends packets too large for the standard MTUs. These packets cannot be fragmented, so you get intermittent problems that seem like they must be at the other end. I've had to reduce my MTU to 1300. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Broken PMTUD / ICMP blackhole?
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:15:21 +0100 wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 10:37:12PM -0500, Celejar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a Debian Sid system with generally working networking. Recently, > > I experienced some strange connectivity problems with a particular > > network connection [...] > > > PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1) 1492(1520) bytes of data. > > ping: local error: message too long, mtu=1500 > > I don't know the error message by heart, but here, it seems > the message size is too big for your local MTU... Yes, I think this is pretty clear. The local wifi interface has the standard MTU of 1500, so it rejects packets larger than that. > > With = 1472, I get, at least sometimes: > > > > >From 192.168.43.245 icmp_seq=2 Frag needed and DF set (mtu = 1472) > > This is definitely an ICMP message you receive from some upstream Yes, except that I don't see this message consistently. I assume that's some sort of upstream flakiness. > > followed by (for various values of ): > > > > ping: local error: message too long, mtu=1472 > > > > until I drop below 1444, at which point I once again get no reply, > > until <= 1412, at which point I once again get normal ping replies. > > Someone upstream is dropping the packets, perhaps sending an ICMP > back (possibly "fragmentation needed"), perhaps someone else is Yes, that's what's supposed to happen, according to everything I've read, but overly aggressive blocking of ICMP is apparently a common problem. > dropping that ICMP (your firewall, perhaps?) Not running one on the local machine, and I'm pretty sure that my gateway firewall, an OpenWrt installation in a fairly standard configuration, isn't configuring to do that (and don't forget that I do get some "Frag needed" messages, as above). > > For comparison purposes, on a normal, properly behaving network > > connection, I get normal ping replies for <= 1472, and "message > > too long" for > 1472. > > > > Am I understanding this correctly, that there's some kind of PMTUD / > > ICMP blackhole problem here? > > This would be my interpretation too. > > > If so, what can I do about it? My > > understanding is that I can either set the MTU lower on the client, or > > do MSS clamping. Any suggestions? Is this something Mint / T-Mobile, or > > someone upstream, is just messing up? > > Since you're not getting the ICMPs back, your only choice seems to be > to reduce your MTU, manually yes. Okay. Since the largest packets that get through consistently are 1440 bytes: $ ping -M do 1.1.1.1 -s 1412 PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1) 1412(1440) bytes of data. 1420 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=103 ms I tried (manually) setting the MTU to 1440. So far I have indeed seen no further problems. Now I just have have to figure out the best place to configure this. I'm using dhcp via /etc/network/interfaces, but the 'dhcp' method doesn't seem to support manual MTU setting. I could use a 'supersede interface-mtu' line in dhclient.conf, but AFAICT, options there apply to all dhcp connections, and I can't make out a simple way to set them on a per connection basis. I suppose I could always just put 'ip link set wlan0 mtu 1440' in a script and hook it in to the appropriate 'iface' stanza in e/n/i with a 'post-up' line. Thanks for the help, Celejar
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
Mejor contesta a la lista, así se sigue el hilo del problema, sigo contestando más abajo. El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 15:07 -0300, Pablo Ramirez escribió: > El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 18:22 +0100, Lista Debian escribió: > > > > Probablemente el entorno de root no es el correcto. Si haces login > > con > > un usuario normal y después te conviertes en root, asegúrate de > > hacerlo > > con > > > > $ su - > > > > nótese el guión. Y después usa el dpkg. A ver si es eso. > > > > Un saludo > > > > > > > gracias por tu respuesta. > > desconso gran parte del funcionamiento de la terminal, entiedo que > para > ejecutar el comando dpkg tengo que estan en el directorio en donde se > encuentra el archivo .deb, desde el $ su - no encuentra el archivo y > no > puedo navegar entre directorios, lo que hago es entrar al directorio > como usuario normal y desde ahi ejecutar el su pero sin guion, de esa > forma me matiene en el directorio, si le agrego el guion me saca del > mismo. Efectivamente. Lo que debes hacer es convertirte en root con $ su - y después, aunque te saca del directorio donde está el paquete, vuelves al directorio con el comando $ cd /directorio/que/sea y por último lanzas el dpkg Un saludo
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
El mar, 17-12-2019 a las 13:27 -0300, Pablo Ramirez escribió: > Buenas Estimados > > Mi nombre es Pablo y soy nuevo en el mundo de linux, el tema puntual > es que estoy tratando de instalar un programa, en especifico DaVinci > Resolve, pero al momento de ejecutar el comando dkpg salta el > siguiente error: > dpkg: atención: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es > ejecutable > dpkg: atención: `start-stop-daemon' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o > no es ejecutable > dpkg: error: no se ha encontrado 2 en el PATH o no es ejecutable > NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, > /usr/sbin y /sbin. Probablemente el entorno de root no es el correcto. Si haces login con un usuario normal y después te conviertes en root, asegúrate de hacerlo con $ su - nótese el guión. Y después usa el dpkg. A ver si es eso. Un saludo
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
El martes, 17 de diciembre de 2019 13:27:32 -03 Pablo Ramirez escribió: > Buenas Estimados > > Mi nombre es Pablo y soy nuevo en el mundo de linux, el tema puntual es que > estoy tratando de instalar un programa, en especifico DaVinci Resolve, pero > al momento de ejecutar el comando dkpg salta el siguiente error: dpkg: > atención: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es ejecutable > dpkg: atención: `start-stop-daemon' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es > ejecutable dpkg: error: no se ha encontrado 2 en el PATH o no es ejecutable > NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, > /usr/sbin y /sbin. > > buscando por internet, que es por donde estoy aprendiendo a usar linux, > no he logrado llegar a un solución, agradeciendo vuestra ayuda > de ante mano muchas gracias > > Pablo. Hola Pablo, no lo he instalado, pero Intenta seguir el tutorial del foro de blackmagic.estan los pasos para el *.sh y *.deb https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21=56878=500#p361701[1] https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php? f=21=71154=a6c1025d59de0576df6b1402954dfcb5[2] [1] https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php? f=21=56878=500#p361701 [2] https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php? f=21=71154=a6c1025d59de0576df6b1402954dfcb5
Re: Problemas con PATH dpkg
Si un ave no rompe su huevo morirá antes de nacer. Nosotros somos el ave y el mundo es nuestro huevo. POR LA REVOLUCIÓN DEL MUNDO Ciudad de México El mar., 17 dic. 2019 a las 10:45, Pablo Ramirez (< pabloramirez1...@gmail.com>) escribió: > Buenas Estimados > > Mi nombre es Pablo y soy nuevo en el mundo de linux, el tema puntual es > que estoy tratando de instalar un programa, en especifico DaVinci Resolve, > pero al momento de ejecutar el comando dkpg salta el siguiente error: > dpkg: atención: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es > ejecutable > dpkg: atención: `start-stop-daemon' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es > ejecutable > dpkg: error: no se ha encontrado 2 en el PATH o no es ejecutable > NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, > /usr/sbin y /sbin. > > buscando por internet, que es por donde estoy aprendiendo a usar linux, > no he logrado llegar a un solución, agradeciendo vuestra ayuda > de ante mano muchas gracias > > Pablo. > Hola, como tal creo que estás intentando instalar al estilo windows (descarga el programa e instala). En Linux en general lo más común es instalar a través de repositorios a menos que sepas lo que estás haciendo, te recomiendo buscar un repositorio que ofrezca davinci resolve. Por otro lado, la apuesta de Debian, en particular, es hacia la estabilidad. Eso significa que no siempre estará en los repositorios de debian los paquetes más actuales, pues estos deben pasar por un largo proceso de control antes de ser integrados a la rama estable, lo cual hará que algunas dependencias de davinci no puedan ser cumplidas por debian. Ubuntu está basado en la rama inestable de Debian, es decir que tiene paquetes más nuevos aunque no tan estables, por lo que podría ser un mejor entorno para que puedas instalar Davinci sin problemas.
Problemas con PATH dpkg
Buenas Estimados Mi nombre es Pablo y soy nuevo en el mundo de linux, el tema puntual es que estoy tratando de instalar un programa, en especifico DaVinci Resolve, pero al momento de ejecutar el comando dkpg salta el siguiente error: dpkg: atención: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es ejecutable dpkg: atención: `start-stop-daemon' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es ejecutable dpkg: error: no se ha encontrado 2 en el PATH o no es ejecutable NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin y /sbin. buscando por internet, que es por donde estoy aprendiendo a usar linux, no he logrado llegar a un solución, agradeciendo vuestra ayuda de ante mano muchas gracias Pablo.
Re: apparent change in hostnames on LAN without admin intervention
On 17/12/2019 19:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 04:58:51PM +0530, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: You win the guessing contest, backup server with server initiated backups. Why does anyone have to guess? Why can't people just state their actual problem and their actual constraints up front? Herr, I don't have a problem, I am not the OP, I tried to offer assistance and got swamped in questions about my setup rather than the OP's. I only answered those questions out of courtesy. Chill out.
Re: apparent change in hostnames on LAN without admin intervention
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 09:25:04AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Not sure this'll reach you, [...] > > It did, but my reply to you bounced. The From: address you're putting > on your outgoing mail is nonfunctional. cursed box, why're you sticking your name on there... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAl347JMACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooG3PQgAqPB5B77oE5C9minWrLKe8Tbc3IRXIkZ6GSmDNCZ3p/5GPugH1QJ8Pb3d F0rfVRfcFdHotuVbymMZU0sDZuc3Il8QMb1APcp9nspgGwqSNMT96yUzDPBGo5tN qQGH9adeLy4/8U+fb+1q11Tk7nwVHLb8KTVaFC3XxiMBdHdRzpNRlo4IEu6LsgNP nICr0Z0m/0nw3m4/wiWSy1aCqRYlTWBvrllmbqvq8pCnZrxXbkoVQueCthq5JdDT y+whq9o4+2TpQ5LpZbx8nOBQXTzNM40BjH5M/bm98FDUxWd6OIwCkrAiashdqFmI NPGhlV0tkiMVi9KMBOpZJvKpWOaV3Q== =Yb0c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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Re: apparent change in hostnames on LAN without admin intervention
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 09:25:04AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: > Not sure this'll reach you, [...] It did, but my reply to you bounced. The From: address you're putting on your outgoing mail is nonfunctional. : Sorry, I couldn't find any host named ironhide.djph.net. (#5.1.2)
Re: apparent change in hostnames on LAN without admin intervention
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 04:58:51PM +0530, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > You win the guessing contest, backup server with server initiated backups. Why does anyone have to guess? Why can't people just state their actual problem and their actual constraints up front?
Re: instable X after upgrade to buster - X? firefox? liberoffice? screensaver? lxde?
Is xscreensaver the culprit? Bugs reported here are similiar, but not exact the same https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891578 https://dirkmittler.homeip.net/blog/archives/5226 deinstalled xscreensaver, just resumed from black screen and had neither slow firefox nor x-crashes after openOffice-restore. will watch and report Wolfgang --
instable X after upgrade to buster - X? firefox? liberoffice? screensaver? lxde?
Hello, together, after trapped into upgrade from stretch to buster, I get (1) x server crashes after closing multiple libreOffice windows (2) inacceptable response times after resuming from screen saver Details for (1) After crash, libreOffice restores open documents and opens them all as stacked windows. I repeatedly click on the "minimize" button to clean up my desktop, and when I klick on the empty desktop after the last office window is gone, X server session terminates immediately and drops to login screen. I reproduced this three times. I could NOT reproduce it by clicking on the empty desktop without libreoffice restore cycle before Details for (2) After resuming from screen saver, response times to mouse and keyboard event increases to several seconds. It's even hard to work on a "Konsole" Killing firefox (using system console) and maybe some other medium to large applications alleviates the symptom. Restarting firefox in the same session immediately slows down again. I experienced similiar behaviour with lotus notes & wine. After reboot, performance is normal again. Feels like bad old WIN$ :-((( I have a similiar behaviour with firefox 68 on my old laptop running Windows7. So it might be related to firefox? Top shows Xorg using ~ 103 % CPU (on a AMD 4300 quad core) Mem is 16 GB and still ample free. == I don't know whether this problems are related. I also can't pin it down to some specific package. So I'll ask the list before filing a bug. May workstation was set up with KDE in jessie. Upgraded to stretch in early 2019 Forgot to set apt sources to release, so I ran into buster last week without having planned so. Anyway, seamless upgrade between releases ist a debian promise, right? currently using lxdm and lxde I struggled with the known bug of X not starting after upgrade. During fixing, I tried different display manager and desktops (Gnome, KDE) dual screen VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2) lsmod: I think current driver is nouveau. dpkg: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau1:1.0.16-1 Anybody else with similiar experience? Wolfgang
POSS 2019
Je n'ai eu aucun écho du POSS 2019, même pas de la part de la ML des organisateurs, (malgré demande), certainement bémolisé par les grèves. Dommage... A. Valmer
Re: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
"0...@caiway.net" writes: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:40:52 +0100 > Alberto Luaces wrote: > >> "0...@caiway.net" writes: >> >> > But I do like systemd-container very much. >> >> What is that thing? Another name for systemd-nspawn? >> > > package systemd-container provides systemd's tools for nspawn and > container/VM management: > * systemd-nspawn > * systemd-machined and machinectl > * systemd-importd Thanks for the pointer! -- Alberto
Re: Debian User French, une communauté de membres incompétents ?
Bonjour, Le 17/12/2019 à 12:30, G2PC a écrit : > > Ce genre de messages en privés, de la part des utilisateurs de la > liste Debian User French, ne sont pas les bienvenus ! > Merci pour cette remarque, je vais donc aller un peu plus loin dans la réflexion et invite les lecteurs à s'inspirer des pages suivantes : 1) Code de conduite sur les ML : https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct 2) Code de conduite de Debian : https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct - Avec ce type de message envoyé sur la liste (notamment au travers du sujet), plusieurs entraves aux différents codes de conduites sont faites, je vais en citer quelques unes : ** Code de conduite ML - Point 1 ** « les listes de diffusion existent pour promouvoir le développement et l'utilisation de Debian. Veuillez vous abstenir d'envoyer des messages non constructifs ou hors sujet » ** Code de conduite ML - Point 11 ** « ne citez pas de messages qui vous ont été envoyés par quelqu'un en privé, à moins d'avoir obtenu préalablement son accord » ** Code de conduite ML - Point 16 ** « essayez de ne pas flamer, ce n'est pas poli » ** Code de conduite Debian - Point 1 ** « Être respectueux » - Je vous invite à régler vos problèmes en privé, ou à défaut, tout simplement à vous ignorer mutuellement. Dans l'optique de ne pas lancer un fil de discussion inutile, constructif et complètement hors sujet avec Debian, je cite le point 17 du Code de conduite des ML, « utilisez votre bon sens ». Je vous invite donc tous à ne pas répondre aux présent message ainsi qu'au message source, le sujet est donc clos. Cordialement, Alban -- Alban Vidal Debian Developper zord...@debian.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Debian User French, une communauté de membres incompétents ?
Ce genre de messages en privés, de la part des utilisateurs de la liste Debian User French, ne sont pas les bienvenus ! " Tu es vraiment des plus désagréable, les gars se démènent à t'expliquer alors que toi tu fais n'importe quoi avec ce qu'ils te disent et maintenant tu dis que c'est eux qui font les conneries? La communauté est bien idiote d'aider des incompétents Message de : Sebastien CHAVAUX " Return-Path: X-Original-To: g...@visionduweb.com Delivered-To: g...@visionduweb.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mutu-mail-n3.sivit.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172352D49 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:03:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis at mutu-mail-n3.sivit.org Received: from mutu-mail-n3.sivit.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mutu-mail-n3.sivit.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SFgDOWzXHxVK for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:03:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-wm1-f45.google.com (mail-wm1-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by mutu-mail-n3.sivit.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6938E2D4C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:03:17 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-wm1-f45.google.com with SMTP id u2so2614400wmc.3 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 03:03:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=fMYx7GkSsxHv86DxITPK7slTyoPfMLHlNJehi7M+vbo=; b=AUv9gM9N25J8OAYTy2Y6gIptfTqGMAT1xpbO4/fp7ZY3Jd6i0dm0n2oq2yyc0VpQgM gPWhL3cy4ZhIjZOipUkS39hbAnwRL4pIL46HRiFyygAfjlgva2SXBFVFb+xcojZ+BK8H JLERNW1+Xm5iBq+2fVy+j6JVtVVLBJXBOMhw7sO1BMEWdz0Zg8UKm7Mtf0KPBl8sFsE4 O+/bY3YZPSY3tXKqED64uTH/AH/0W6ZRimsNfzQrSy2o9Oex6glHPYHhkp5Zvo5I5UDi nBuxSyenVrGvIeOrcOYwjhDW/790yl59gWoxDqfgKqWJ+H4Mc5wEpQT635Eu4+fJkjsL 6DTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=fMYx7GkSsxHv86DxITPK7slTyoPfMLHlNJehi7M+vbo=; b=CllTmulA4KpBsyVwBd+Ke+SLUYlGuZYMrlRdiLq3A7uX+23JVPhOijj0vWYsh/6guU 0N+aaMhmqs3FoDII6GnJMI4vpRrinL4RN++pkbNRyeqkpviREWA0DWgEQYA3fsIZb2j+ GAygKSFpnZnoJIXlE1fhTeRfIfp77xU6K7SvKahXTrbyHRTeCl+rttWuS5vqPhH0eywC 4rI5WEO6YguMl1OzEW7Z8X42FufPUBjEoHrdFj0CvFxWSHFTf52KbF6PxALin+i+/Nlx f9wZyu9dtT9RH9WL3vTDXNd6zuIwr8G8kLpaNp2jwuvd+EG1VEXw5ab8FK/Rje5J/S8W bn5g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXyMF31XVpSnUlq2ucwtUdypcpl9mTSlMFWR/Yq8rjddhH4EUIN oSo9sJjkOQEMT5DBv85nQVA9uZQ5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy6GMOCiP2KtRGoI0seyQDrPvKhTjkYUDKSmgZp0HqkgczeVjGCPsOTo/TKCrj5Sv1Fd6MdzA== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cf21:: with SMTP id m1mr4689150wmg.170.1576580590215; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 03:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([37.172.78.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q11sm24968817wrp.24.2019.12.17.03.03.09 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Dec 2019 03:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Debian_10=2e2_ne_d=c3=a9marre_pas?= To: G2PC References: <5416627d-253a-589b-ea3f-332f1a80a...@visionduweb.com> <0f4e1182-a552-6223-cd4f-03cc5169b...@visionduweb.com> <75289465-e9fd-496c-bddd-71600eeb9...@googlegroups.com> <16b62f4f-217b-8e5a-4ff8-04c2193c4...@visionduweb.com> <3a80e01b-9f7c-21c9-30d9-e9d9dd0af...@visionduweb.com> <0c3bb99d-d111-d171-9fe2-a43316be2...@visionduweb.com> <8aae10ef-ccf6-b4bb-9b4a-c71c9ab86...@visionduweb.com> <8a54e605-3503-ad75-aa98-13117057d...@visionduweb.com> From: Sebastien CHAVAUX Message-ID: <973841e0-07a3-46b1-25af-b37784ba1...@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:03:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8a54e605-3503-ad75-aa98-13117057d...@visionduweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr Tu es vraiment des plus désagréable, les gars se démènent à t'expliquer alors que toi tu fais n'importe quoi avec ce qu'ils te disent et maintenant tu dis que c'est eux qui font les conneries? La communauté est bien idiote d'aider des incompétents. Le 17/12/2019 à 01:39, G2PC a écrit : >>> Si cela apparait dans le Bios dans les choix de démarrage, c'est >>> qu'il s'agit donc de la MBR ? >> Non. Visiblement tu ne comprends rien et tu fais n'importe quoi, mais >> j'ai la flemme de t'expliquer. > De plus en plus désagréable la communauté du libre. > En attendant, mon n'importe quoi a bien fonctionné, me permet de booter > depuis le SSD, et, a bien ajouté une entrée depuis le BIOS. > Pour du n'importe quoi, ça semble mine de rien, plutôt
Re: apparent change in hostnames on LAN without admin intervention
On 17/12/2019 13:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 16 dec 19, 10:14:55, David Wright wrote: On Mon 16 Dec 2019 at 12:03:58 (+0530), tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the PC is serving various services to the LAN, some bypassing the router for load/performances reason, Fair enough. (I do that between hosts using IPv6 over Cat5, and have been scolded here for it.) this PC is carrying an up to date version of the hosts file. But does it need to? If your router runs a DNS server (you say it does), it can provide that (DNS) service to the PC that's providing the various other services. Resolving hostnames via hosts file could be significantly faster than using the router's DNS server. It is, especially if the router is overloaded or switched off/rebooting ;-) . It's not one hosts file on every machines on the network, it's one hosts file with every machines on the LAN registered in it on one of the node on the LAN. … which just means there are two machines needing the up-to-date hosts file: the server-PC that avoids disturbing the router, and the router running a DNS server. Still one more than necessary? In the classic client-server topology the server doesn't need the complete hosts file. Only the client(s) need(s) an entry for the server in the(ir) hosts file[1]. Exception would be of course, if the service provided by the server requires accessing other systems (backup server?). You win the guessing contest, backup server with server initiated backups. [1] This is probably known by most debian-user subscribers, I'm just making sure we are talking about the same thing. Kind regards, Andrei
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Stephan Seitz wrote on 16/12/2019 20:50: > On Mo, Dez 16, 2019 at 08:32:01 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >> Does anybody else see such a /pulse directory? > > Yes, here as well (two testing systems). > > Shade and sweet water! > > Stephan > Thanks for confirming this. Are you using sysv-init or systemd-init? Regards, Jörg.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 16/12/2019 20:32: > Greg Wooledge wrote on 16/12/2019 17:29: >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 10:04:34AM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >>> $ dpkg -S /pulse >>> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse >>> >>> fails to give any clue. >>> The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint >>> in >>> systemd or udev conf-files. >> >> Well, the first thing I would try would be "grep -r /pulse /etc". >> And if that fails, "grep -r /pulse /lib/systemd". > > Did that, also > > $ grep -rI pulse /lib/udev > > to no avail. >> >> If *those* both fail... well, I might be crazy enough to try removing >> the offending directory, doing "chattr +i /", then rebooting, and seeing >> who complains when they can't create the /pulse directory. Only on a >> system where I have local hardware access, of course -- not a remote. >> >> Do not forget to remove the immutable bit after your test is complete. >> >> And as a wise reader already said, it's probably pulseaudio. Meaning, >> you might be able to test without rebooting, by stopping pulseaudio, >> removing the directory, and starting pulseaudio, to see if it gets >> recreated. > > The /pulse directory is created at boot-time. The pulseaudio process is > started > at login on this system. Also, pulseaudio continues to work after removal of > /pulse which is always an empty directory. It has uid 0 and gid 0 an is not > readable for group or others. > The only relevant script at boot-time on my system seems to be from alsa-utils. But at the moment I'm lost how this interacts with pulseaudio. At the same time the /pulse directory is created, there is created an also empty /run/alsa/runtime/pulse directory. Any idea, anybody? > Does anybody else see such a /pulse directory? Regards, Jörg.
Re: Impossible to type "ù"
On 2019-12-16, Pétùr wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot type "ù" anymore on Debian Xfce Sid (French keyboard). I got me one of them French keyboards, and ù is the next to the last key on the middle row, below the % sign. Is that the key you're pressing? > All other accented character (éàûè) work but the cursor just blinked > when using the dedicated key for "ù". > Any clue? None, really, sorry. I see you have a ù in your name, so this must be pretty important. Me, I have little occasion to employ the character. > $ locale > LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 here. -- "J'ai pour me guérir du jugement des autres toute la distance qui me sépare de moi." Antonin Artaud
Re: rsyslog adding old entries again
Hi all,
I have now tried to use packetfence on CentOS, as they claim CentOS is
their best supported platform. Now rsyslog logging works as expected:
- shutdown rsyslog
- delete files from the log directory
- start rsyslog
and only new/recent logs start appearing.
I have no idea why debian behaves as it does, but I'm happy to use
centos for this particular install.
Thanks again for your answers.
MJ
On 14-12-2019 9:58, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Sb, 14 dec 19, 10:28:29, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 13 dec 19, 20:47:49, mj wrote:
Hi Andrei,
So:
root@pf:~# ps aux | grep rsyslog
root 11250 0.8 3.3 872116 274200 ? Ssl 15:37 2:26
/usr/sbin/rsyslogd -n
root 23873 0.0 0.0 12780 968 pts/0S+ 20:25 0:00 grep rsyslog
root@pf:~# service rsyslog stop
root@pf:~# ps aux | grep rsyslog
root 23909 0.0 0.0 12780 1020 pts/0S+ 20:25 0:00 grep rsyslog
root@pf:~# rm -f /usr/local/pf/logs/*
root@pf9:~# lsof | grep /usr/local/pf/logs
snmptrapd 23941 root3w REG8,1
23 67605574 /usr/local/pf/logs/snmptrapd.log
and yes: the file snmptrapd.log is the exception, all other files (20, 25 of
them) are gone, remain gone, and are not listed in lsof as open.
Then, when starting rsyslog again, this time in debug mode ("rsyslogd -dn")
it shows that it IS in fact writing those logs:
[...]
As you can see from the lines above: these are old log lines from Dec 6.
On a quick look at the "queued" mode seems to be related. As I'm not
^^^
the manpage
Sorry, edited it out.
using rsyslog myself I can't help further.
Kind regards,
Andrei
Core dumps are instantly removed
Dear Debian users, Hopefully you can easily help me with my confusion. I would like to collect / keep core dumps in the system. For that I use systemd-coredump package which is configured as following: === cut /etc/systemd/coredump.conf === [Coredump] Storage=external MaxUse=5G === cut === Then I have created a script to send core dump report daily to root: === cut /etc/cron.daily/coredump === YESTERDAY=`date --date="1 day ago" +%Y-%m-%d` MESSAGE=`coredumpctl list --no-pager -r -S $YESTERDAY -U $(date +%Y-%m-%d) 2> /dev/null` && (echo "$MESSAGE"; echo -e "\nLast core dump info:\n"; coredumpctl info --no-pager; echo -e "\nCore dumps:\n"; ls -l /var/lib/systemd/coredump; ) | mail -s "Core dumps created yesterday $YESTERDAY" root === cut === What I get is: === cut === TIMEPID UID GID SIG COREFILE EXE Tue 2019-12-10 11:27:26 CET2537 1003 100 5 missing /usr/bin/light-locker Last core dump info: PID: 2537 (light-locker) ... Signal: 5 (TRAP) Timestamp: Tue 2019-12-10 11:27:25 CET (20h ago) Command Line: light-locker Executable: /usr/bin/light-locker ... Storage: /var/lib/systemd/coredump/core.light-locker.1003.810304...157597364500.lz4 (inaccessible) Message: Process 2537 (light-locker) of user 1003 dumped core. Stack trace of thread 2537: #0 0x7fde22515c75 n/a (libglib-2.0.so.0) #1 0x7fde22516d0d g_log_default_handler (libglib-2.0.so.0) #2 0x7fde22516f5f g_logv (libglib-2.0.so.0) #3 0x7fde2251714f g_log (libglib-2.0.so.0) #4 0x563b0e2f30a3 n/a (light-locker) #5 0x7fde22615107 g_type_create_instance (libgobject-2.0.so.0) ... Core dumps: total 0 === cut === As one can see, stack trace is somehow captured by coredumpctl (where it gets it from?) but core file is not there. I would like core dump files to be preserved for (say) 10 days. light-locker generates really tiny core dump when I start it from console: === cut === $ /usr/bin/light-locker Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped) # ls -l /var/lib/systemd/coredump/ -rw-r-+ 1 root root 884992 Dec 13 14:16 core.light-locker.1003.8103...157624301300.lz4 === cut === Also I am aware about this setting: === cut /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf === d /var/lib/systemd/coredump 0755 root root 3d === cut === but it configures the directory to be cleaned in three days while they are removed sooner. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! P.S. I have read: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace#Core_dump https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Core_dump but didn't find the answer. -- With best regards, Dmitry
Re: Gnucash broken after Update
On Lu, 16 dec 19, 18:41:12, Markus Grunwald wrote: > Hi, > > a few days ago, I ran an apt update of my debian/desting machine and got > a new gnucash version. Apt DID tell me that there was something to do to > keep gnucash working. I had no time to do that, then, but I was used to > getting the instructions per e-mail. But at the time my e-mail setup was > broken and I didn't notice. Bummer. > > Now I need to use gnucash and online banking is completely broken. I > searched everywhere, found the hint in > /usr/share/doc/aqbanking-tools/README.keyfile-update, but that didn't > help... > > I /think/ the message had something to do with moved configuration files > for gnucash, but am not sure. > > Do you have any hint for me? I urgendly need gnucash for my homebanking... For the archives, the messages during the install are coming from the NEWS.Debian(.gz) files in /usr/share/doc// One can check apt's or dpkg's log files for what packages have been upgraded and check all corresponding NEWS.Debian files. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: apparent change in hostnames on LAN without admin intervention
On Lu, 16 dec 19, 10:14:55, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 16 Dec 2019 at 12:03:58 (+0530), tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > > > > One of the PC is serving various services to the LAN, some bypassing > > the router for load/performances reason, > > Fair enough. (I do that between hosts using IPv6 over Cat5, and have > been scolded here for it.) > > > this PC is carrying an up to > > date version of the hosts file. > > But does it need to? If your router runs a DNS server (you say it > does), it can provide that (DNS) service to the PC that's providing > the various other services. Resolving hostnames via hosts file could be significantly faster than using the router's DNS server. > > It's not one hosts file on every > > machines on the network, it's one hosts file with every machines on > > the LAN registered in it on one of the node on the LAN. > > … which just means there are two machines needing the up-to-date hosts > file: the server-PC that avoids disturbing the router, and the router > running a DNS server. Still one more than necessary? In the classic client-server topology the server doesn't need the complete hosts file. Only the client(s) need(s) an entry for the server in the(ir) hosts file[1]. Exception would be of course, if the service provided by the server requires accessing other systems (backup server?). [1] This is probably known by most debian-user subscribers, I'm just making sure we are talking about the same thing. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
