date:20200625

On 26-06-2020 09:58, bw wrote:
> I've posted 5,000 messages on this list about how to hook up my 
> refrigerator to my ancient 386sx computer with 512k of ram.  I don't 
> understand why I keep posting and everybody gets mad.  I say I use debian 
> but I admit I cheat a little and install some other crap and I'm not gonna 
> tell you what unless you drag it out of me.
> 
> Can anybody yhelp fix it?

Got a shotgun I could borrow?
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Re: Newbie

2020-06-25 Thread Unicred do Estado de Sao Paulo - Maiko Akihito Takemoto

On 26-06-2020 07:55, Olivier Humbert wrote:
> Le 2020-06-25 23:33, Mark Allums a écrit :
>> Ask one question per post.  Do research yourself (Google is your friend.)
> 
> Google is no one's friend.
> Google is a business.
> 
> The real (interesting) sentence should have read : (a search engine is
> your friend.)

https://duckduckgo.com/

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by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful'.

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Re: Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct]

2020-06-25 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies


On 26/06/2020 02:50, Default User wrote:

"Beware the censor, for in his heart, he deems himself your master."


main!

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Re: Newbie

2020-06-25 Thread Olivier Humbert


Le 2020-06-25 23:33, Mark Allums a écrit :
Ask one question per post.  Do research yourself (Google is your 
friend.)


Google is no one's friend.
Google is a business.

The real (interesting) sentence should have read : (a search engine is 
your friend.)


Olivier

Re: Are All Drives Installed .

2020-06-25 Thread Mark Allums


On 6/25/2020 4:36 PM, Arun Mathai wrote:

Hello Guys,

 I own a Dell e6420 ,  and i had installed debian buster (mate).But 
the brightness and wifi drivers and i assume the hdmi drivers were not 
installed. How can i know that all the drivers for my device is installed?


You may need to install device firmware.  It is not installed by 
default.  Drivers come in packages.  Check if the driver package for 
your device is installed.  Rebooting will be necessary, and you may need 
to check configuration defaults.


Mark

Re: Newbie

2020-06-25 Thread Mark Allums


Ask one question per post.  Do research yourself (Google is your friend.)

Mark

On 6/25/2020 4:26 PM, Arun Mathai wrote:

Hello Guys,

I am a total newbie for debian.

I have some technical difficulties and questions that i want to ask.

Could anyone please tell me how to proceed.

Regards,

Arun Mathai

Re: Debian hangs (PREEMPT RT?)

2020-06-25 Thread Alberto Sentieri

I had a similar problem, but I could ssh into the machine, otherwise I 
would say it was locked. My problem was the video driver (NVIDIA card). 
I fixed it by installing the manufacture driver.


On 6/25/20 3:54 PM, Malte Schmidt wrote:

Dear all,

I'm running Debian 10 with the recent updates using a RT Kernel to run 
a Machine using Linuxcnc. I face the problem that Debian "hangs" i.e. 
becomes completely unresponsive. This includes Keyboard, Mouse and 
also the SysReq + REISUB does no longer work. The system does not 
really "crash" i.e. I keep seeing X. Usually X and keyboard freeze a 
bit before the mouse pointer also stops to move.
I have the feeling that this only occurs when there is a realtime task 
running but I cannot say that for sure.


Not sure if pastebins are appreciated here:
Output of dmesg: https://pastebin.com/zgh6Cw84
Xorg.0.log:https://pastebin.com/eNJCLTWf
/var/log/messages https://pastebin.com/EbJh4qYY

I did spot anything obvious in the logs

This PC was used for a couple of years for Machine control running a 
Realtime Kernel on Debian 7


I'm a bit clueless at this point and would appreciate hints what to 
check for.


Thanks,
Malte

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Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct

2020-06-25 Thread Will Mengarini

* davidson  [20-06/25=Th 03:31 +]:
>> Oh god.  Look, this is about my signature, isn't it?
>>
>> [...] Look, for the last time, it's not *my* opinion.
>> It is (allegedly) Horatio Nelson's. [...]
>>
>> I know, I know.  It is so sad.  But there is no alternative if truly
>> open and accepting collaboration is to flourish in Freedomland.
>>
>> [...] And you will have to send me some links to videos of
>> this Community band, because I have never ever heard of them
>> but I'm really into all kinds of zombie apocalypse stuff.

That is now officially my favorite mailing list post of 2020.

I know /intellectually/ that 2020 isn't over yet,
but /emotionally/ I find that difficult to accept.

* Pierre-Elliott Bécue  [20-06/25=Th 12:29 +0200]:
> [...] You, being horrified about the authoritarism a Code
> of Conduct and potential moderation seems to represent,
> should be delighted that no scapegoat was designated.
>
> Yet, although some may try and play naive, I'm pretty sure
> the concerned people know who they are and what my email
> is referring about, and that seems quite enough to me.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID

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Re: Are All Drives Installed .

2020-06-25 Thread David Christensen

On 2020-06-25 04:41, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 02:36:02PM -0700, Arun Mathai wrote:

The first thing you need to know is the difference between driver
and firmware.

Good point. I installed the following Wi-Fi firmware package:

firmware-iwlwifi

When it comes to firmware, you can usually run "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
to see what firmware files the kernel wants to load, and which ones it
failed to load, and which ones it succeeded in loading.

2020-06-25 13:03:38 root@tinkywinky ~
# dmesg | grep -i firmware
[0.163136] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[9.856867] iwlwifi :03:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware
iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
[9.857132] iwlwifi :03:00.0: loaded firmware version 18.168.6.1
op_mode iwldvm

When you say "(mate)", this tells me you most likely used one of the
semi-official Debian Live installer images. Not the standard netinst
image, and definitely not the unofficial netinst-plus-nonfree-firmware
image.

I prefer Debian 9 and the "amd64-xfce-CD-1" images:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/9.12.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.12.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso

Or it could be one of
those "Optimus" horror shows, with both an Intel chipset and an nvidia
chipset, in which case you are screwed.

I did try to install Debian on this same Latitude E6520 several years
ago, and Optimus was a problem. But, it does work today (with Optimums
disabled in CMOS Setup).

David

Debian hangs (PREEMPT RT?)

2020-06-25 Thread Malte Schmidt

Dear all,

I'm running Debian 10 with the recent updates using a RT Kernel to run a
Machine using Linuxcnc. I face the problem that Debian "hangs" i.e. becomes
completely unresponsive. This includes Keyboard, Mouse and also the SysReq
+ REISUB does no longer work. The system does not really "crash" i.e. I
keep seeing X. Usually X and keyboard freeze a bit before the mouse pointer
also stops to move.
I have the feeling that this only occurs when there is a realtime task
running but I cannot say that for sure.

Not sure if pastebins are appreciated here:
Output of dmesg: https://pastebin.com/zgh6Cw84
Xorg.0.log:https://pastebin.com/eNJCLTWf
/var/log/messages https://pastebin.com/EbJh4qYY

I did spot anything obvious in the logs

This PC was used for a couple of years for Machine control running a
Realtime Kernel on Debian 7

I'm a bit clueless at this point and would appreciate hints what to check
for.

Thanks,
Malte

-- 
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Adverrun Drives
Fruehlingstr. 41
90537 Feucht
i...@adverrun.com

Re: Are All Drives Installed .

2020-06-25 Thread David Christensen


On 2020-06-25 14:36, Arun Mathai wrote:

Hello Guys,

  I own a Dell e6420 ,  and i had installed debian buster (mate).But the 
brightness and wifi drivers and i assume the hdmi drivers were not 
installed. How can i know that all the drivers for my device is installed.


Regards,

Arun Mathai



My daily driver is Debian 9 amd64 Xfce on a 2.5" SSD that I move between 
computers as needed.  It was primarily in a Dell Inspiron E1505 for many 
years, but I recently upgraded to a Dell Latitude E6520.



The Inspiron had Intel graphics.  I presume the Debian Installer 
installed the Intel graphics driver.  Graphics worked, including brightness.



The Latitude has Intel graphics and an NVIDIA card ("Optimus").  I 
disabled Optimus in the BIOS.  Graphics works, including brightness. 
But exploring with lspci(8), dmesg(1), /proc/modules, etc., I cannot 
tell if Debian is using Intel or NVIDIA (?).



I recall the Inspiron came with a Broadcom Wi-Fi adapter.  I changed it 
out for an Intel adapter.  It needed the following driver package:


firmware-iwlwifi


The Latitude came with an Intel Wi-Fi adapter.  It appears to be using 
the above driver, and it works:


2020-06-25 13:01:53 root@tinkywinky ~
# dmesg | grep wifi
[9.838188] iwlwifi :03:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have 
ASPM control
[9.856867] iwlwifi :03:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware 
iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
[9.857132] iwlwifi :03:00.0: loaded firmware version 18.168.6.1 
op_mode iwldvm

[9.926992] iwlwifi :03:00.0: CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG disabled
[9.927087] iwlwifi :03:00.0: CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUGFS disabled
[9.927187] iwlwifi :03:00.0: CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEVICE_TRACING disabled
[9.927282] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Centrino(R) 
Advanced-N 6205 AGN, REV=0xB0

[9.930845] iwlwifi :03:00.0: L1 Enabled - LTR Disabled
[9.937749] iwlwifi :03:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio.
[   10.210427] iwlwifi :03:00.0 wlp3s0: renamed from wlan0



STFW I found the following Dell web page.  Given the age of our Latitude 
computers (ca. 2012), it may not be of much use:


https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-us/sln151664/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-your-dell-pc


David

Re: Newbie

2020-06-25 Thread Charles Curley

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 14:26:00 -0700
Arun Mathai  wrote:

> Could anyone please tell me how to proceed.

Ask away. There is already some good advice on this thread. You might
also read (or at least browse) Eric Steven Raymond's How To Ask
Questions The Smart Way, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Tempo de utilização da máquina, aplicativos rodados, etc...
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Re: [HS] L'Etat choisit Microsoft pour ses données de santé

2020-06-25 Thread Bureau LxVx

Bonjour Benoît,

Le lien n'aboutit pas à l'article dont tu parles :-(

Librement,

Sylvie

Le 25/06/2020 à 18:40, benoit a écrit :
> Citation d'un article du monde diplomatique :
>
> « Petit détail : cette plate-forme, qui contient à la fois les dossiers de 
> l’assurance-maladie, des facturations hospitalières, des causes médicales de 
> décès, des données médico-sociales des personnes handicapées et un 
> échantillon de factures de remboursement des organismes complémentaires, est 
> hébergée sur le cloud (le « nuage », lieu de stockage des données 
> informatiques) de Microsoft, entreprise américaine qui a été certifiée « 
> hébergeur de données » en France, fin 2018. En vertu du Cloud Act (« loi sur 
> le nuage »), les forces de l’ordre ou les agences de renseignement des 
> États-Unis pourront donc avoir accès aux informations contenues sur le 
> serveur »
>
> https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2020/06/BRYGO/61870
>
> :-(
>
>
> --
> Benoit
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> Le mercredi 17 juin 2020 09:11, Jean Bernon  a écrit :
>
>> https://lists.riseup.net/www/info/interhop
>>
>>> Y a-t-il une initiative pour protester contre cette forfaiture ?
>

Re: [HS] L'Etat choisit Microsoft pour ses données de santé

2020-06-25 Thread benoit

Citation d'un article du monde diplomatique :

« Petit détail : cette plate-forme, qui contient à la fois les dossiers de 
l’assurance-maladie, des facturations hospitalières, des causes médicales de 
décès, des données médico-sociales des personnes handicapées et un échantillon 
de factures de remboursement des organismes complémentaires, est hébergée sur 
le cloud (le « nuage », lieu de stockage des données informatiques) de 
Microsoft, entreprise américaine qui a été certifiée « hébergeur de données » 
en France, fin 2018. En vertu du Cloud Act (« loi sur le nuage »), les forces 
de l’ordre ou les agences de renseignement des États-Unis pourront donc avoir 
accès aux informations contenues sur le serveur »

https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2020/06/BRYGO/61870

:-(


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
Le mercredi 17 juin 2020 09:11, Jean Bernon  a écrit :

> https://lists.riseup.net/www/info/interhop
>
> > Y a-t-il une initiative pour protester contre cette forfaiture ?

Re: paquete de configuracion

2020-06-25 Thread Paynalton

El jue., 25 jun. 2020 a las 1:18, Antonio Trujillo Carmona (<
antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es>) escribió:

> El 24/6/20 a las 13:29, Esteban Torres escribió:
> >
> > El 24/6/20 a las 13:09, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:
> >> El 24/6/20 a las 10:35, Esteban Torres escribió:
> >>> Hola Antonio.
> >>>
> >>> Yo también trabajo para la administración.
> >>>
> >>> Se trata del proyecto CAE de junta?
> >>>
> >>> Un saludo.
> >>>
> >>> El 24/6/20 a las 9:36, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:
>  Hola
> 
>  Quería crear un paquete de configuración para la empresa.
> 
>  En concreto, quiero crear un paquete que instale el ocsinventory pero
>  que contenga la configuración de la empresa de forma que no pregunte
>  nada, seria algo como:
> 
>  apt install miocs ...
> 
>  se instalan por dependencias ocsinventory-agents ...
> 
>  Me podéis dar norte de como aprender a hacerlo.
> 
>  Gracias
> 
> 
> >> En este caso no, es para la gestión de los servidores del hospital.
> >>
> >>
> > Nosotros en los servidores hemos desplegado fusioninventory a través
> > de puppet.
> >
> > Ya me dices si te sirve como solución y te paso más información.
> >
> >
> No se trata de eso, pero muchas gracias, tenemos desplegado desde hace
> muchos años el nagios, simplemente quiero hacer un paquete para cuando
> yo o algún compañero despliegue algún servidor nuevo (ayer cree 4)
> instale un paquete que por dependencias instale los paquetes que vemos
> necesarios en nuestro hospital con los datos del hospital, por ejemplo
> que instale en ocsinventory-agents con la url del servidor del hospital.
>
>
>
En casos como estos lo mejor es que montes un servidor Docker, creas una
imagen con nagios y todas las configuraciones que necesitas. Así cuando se
despliegue un solo servidor se creará una imagen idéntica a la que creaste.

Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct

2020-06-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 03:40:26PM +, davidson wrote:

And OP specified no debian listserv(s).


Sure they did, in the To: field.

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Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct


On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:

Le jeudi 25 juin 2020 à 09:42:44+, davidson a écrit :

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 deloptes wrote:

davidson wrote:


On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:

Dear users,

In the past days we saw multiple emails discussing about non
Debian-related things and infringing the Code of Conduct[0] of the
Project in the same time.


Oh, crap. I think I know what this is about. Sorry everybody.


Sorry but I do not understand - can you explain the context?


/me reluctantly drops out of satirical mode

I cannot.


What is the reason, which thread?

^ ^^


Perhaps OP can solve this mystery for us.


The fact that my email is not in reply to a specific message is
intentional and is done to avoid fingerpointing.


And OP specified no thread(s).

And OP specified no debian listserv(s).

Were those omissions also intentional?


You, being horrified about the authoritarism a Code of Conduct and
potential moderation seems to represent, should be delighted that no
scapegoat was designated.


I concede you make a good point here. And I would like to congratulate
you for making it, without my sincerity appearing to be sarcasm.

And then I would tell you, "I am indeed relieved that Community Team
has not tossed anyone into the maw of the volcano."


Yet, although some may try and play naive, I'm pretty sure the
concerned people know who they are and what my email is referring
about, and that seems quite enough to me.


Broadcast means, allegedly unicast ends. This intrigues me.


Bests,


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Re: Re[2]: Router 3/4G

2020-06-25 Thread 215639

Hola, amb 3g funciona una mica millor. aquest cap de setmana hi anire a mirar 
que passa ja que remotament es complicat i ara mateix no hi tinc acces en 
absolut.
gracies

-Original Message-
From: Conrado Pueyo 
To: Jordi <215...@runbox.com>, debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org
Sent: dj., 25 de juny 2020 9:41
Subject: Re[2]: Router 3/4G

Bon dia
desconec el funcionament d'aquest routers.
Has provat de fer test forçant 4g i despres 3g i comprovar el seu 
comportament?
Has verificat els logs del router per veure si ha rebutjat connexions i 
per quin motiu?

Salutacions!
-- Mensaje original --
De: "Jordi" <215...@runbox.com>
Para: debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org
Enviado: 25/06/2020 9:30:23
Asunto: Re: Router 3/4G

>El dj. 25 de 06 de 2020 a les 08:58 +0200, en/na Josep Lladonosa va 
>escriure:
>
>
>
>>Aquests "de vegades" són sempre connectant des del mateix lloc?
>>Ho dic perquè també podria ser cosa del proveïdor de xarxa amb que 
>>vols connectar cap al teu aparell 3G/4G.
>
>Ho faig des del mòbil i des de l'ordinador amb dues ip's diferents. 
>També ho he provat des d'altres ordinadors i els resultat es el mateix.
>
>
>>
>>Si l'aparell admet 3G/4G i és zona rural (poca cobertura 4G) podria 
>>ser que ara agafi 4G i per això ha baixat la cobertura, que és menor.
>>Pots desactivar-li 4G.
>
>
>
>L'aparell te tres opcions:
>només 3g, nomes 4g i 4g preferit. Tinc activada només 3g. Abans hi 
>tenia 4g preferit i ara si que sembla que ha millorat amb només 3g.
>
>El que no entenc és perquè si que connecto amb les càmeres sense 
>problema i quan ho vull fer al servidor web, simplement no pot.
>
>Em sembla però, que tot es qüestió de cobertura. Quan vagi al poble 
>intentaré actualitzar el "firmware" i mirar com ficar el router per 
>guanyar cobertura, a veure si guanyo quelcom.
>
>Abans la cobertura era molt bona però de sobte ha perdut força. Les 
>antenes per amplificar el senyal 4g, semblen una mica cares, realment 
>estic buscant una solució econòmica per aquest problema.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 01:15 Jordi Vila, <215...@runbox.com> wrote:
>>>Bon dia, tinc un problema que encara que no te res a veure amb 
>>>debian, voldria veure si em podeu donar un cop de ma.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A la casa del poble tinc un router 3/4G tp-link tr-ml6400 amb unes 
>>>càmeres connectades. Precisament quan va començar el confinament vaig 
>>>començar a tenir problemes a l'hora d'accedir remotament a la 
>>>configuració del router via web, ja que refusa la connexió. El router 
>>>mitjançant un temporitzador es reinicia dos cops al dia i algunes 
>>>vegades si aconsegueixo accedir-hi i altres no.He canviat el port del 
>>>servidor http diverses vegades amb igual resultat. A les càmeres 
>>>mitjançant https si hi puc accedir sempre, per la qual cosa no sé que 
>>>està passant. El senyal de la cobertura amb movistar abans era 100% o 
>>>75% i ara 25%  pel que suposo que aquest és el problema, però no 
>>>entenc perquè no tinc problema per accedir a les càmeres, només a la 
>>>configuració del router. Si em podeu orientar us ho agrairé, també 
>>>amb el tema d'augmentar la recepció del senyal de forma econòmica.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Gracies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jordi
>>>
>
>
>Salutacions
>
>Jordi

Resolved (at least the sound) Re: Zoom client for Linux (was: Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem)

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:14:50 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Can you give me any clues about how you told it which audio device to use
> (and which you told it to use)?

Ahh, I found the settings screen and switched the audio (to "Built In Analog 
Audio Stereo") and tested it -- it works.

(I believe there is a test meeting somewhere, I want to try connecting to that 
to make sure things are working, and then I want to change my screen name -- 
I'm guessing I'll figure those out.

Re: Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct]

2020-06-25 Thread Default User

"Beware the censor, for in his heart, he deems himself your master. "

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 07:29:53 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> At least for the Jessie system, I'd like to install some encrypted
> filesystems without reinstalling (or replacing) Jessie.

Does anybody know what the DI (Debian Installer) installs by default for an 
encrypted filesystem on Jessie and Buster?

Is that / are those fairly easy to setup after the install?

Zoom client for Linux (was: Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem)

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 09:25:06 AM David wrote:
> Hi, are you aware that Zoom has available a Linux-compatible
> desktop client application that runs without a browser?

Thanks, yes, that is one of the ways I tried to join the zoom meeting on my 
Jessie system -- the client says it requires / works with Debian 8.0 (i.e., 
Jessie) but I might also try it on Buster.

I do have a followup question after the aside.

(aside: long story slightly shortened>

I have a zoom client on my Wheezy system, some 3.nn version, but the meeting I 
tried to join said I needed version 5.nn, which apparently cannot be installed 
on Wheezy.

I tried joining the meeting with both the Linux client and Firefox, both gave 
me video but neither gave me sound.

At some point I'll try Chromium (I think zoom has a test meeting that I can 
join to try out)

(/aside: long story slightly shortened>

> It works on Buster, apart from needing to be told which audio
> device to use every time it is run.

Can you give me any clues about how you told it which audio device to use (and 
which you told it to use)?

> Available here:
> https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting

Gerenciador de AWS, Azure, GCP estilo PAC Manager

2020-06-25 Thread Paulo


Pessoal,

Alguém conhece algum multi gerenciador de VPS gráfico (Não sendo o 
Navegador).


Que gerencie AWS, Azure e GCP (Mostrar VMs, Regras de Firewall, ...) 
parecido com o PAC Manager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/pacmanager/)


Ou um All-in-one (SSH, RDC, AWS, Azrue, GCP).

Aceitaria também uma dica de um parecido com o PAC Manager que fizesse 
SCP pra máquina só de arrastar o arquivo pra janela de SSH (Querendo 
demais, rss)


O objetivo de gerenciar múltiplos (AWS, Azure e GCP) é não ficar com 
muitas abas abertas no Navegador e ter que ficar digitando a senha toda vez.


Att,

Paulo Correia

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/correiatec

Re: Sound in Jitsi/BBB [was: dvice on encrypted filesystem]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 03:57:53PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-25):
> > You don't use Pulseaudio? Current Firefoxen have ALSA enabled for Debian,
> > but their ALSA support seems to have fallen prey to bitrot. I didn't
> > manage to get them working.
> > 
> > If you insist in not having Pulse (I do), there's apulse (the package
> > is named likewise, I think). It plays LD_PRELOAD tricks to trick FF
> > into believing it's talking to Pulseaudio. I had success with that.
> 
> I use apulse, and Firefox is capable of producing sound on some sites (I
> do not know why I bother to get it working: I do NOT want my web browser
> to produce sound!). The microphone is the issue.

Sound wasn't the problem for me. Microphone was.

FWIW, I also detest the browser making noises -- but lockdown and things.
And seeing people swarming to Zoom gave me the rest.

I had both Jitsi and BBB, and micro worked (via apulse) with both. It
took me some fiddling with amixer/alsamixer, though.

Cheers
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Re: Sound in Jitsi/BBB [was: dvice on encrypted filesystem]

2020-06-25 Thread Nicolas George

to...@tuxteam.de (12020-06-25):
> You don't use Pulseaudio? Current Firefoxen have ALSA enabled for Debian,
> but their ALSA support seems to have fallen prey to bitrot. I didn't
> manage to get them working.
> 
> If you insist in not having Pulse (I do), there's apulse (the package
> is named likewise, I think). It plays LD_PRELOAD tricks to trick FF
> into believing it's talking to Pulseaudio. I had success with that.

I use apulse, and Firefox is capable of producing sound on some sites (I
do not know why I bother to get it working: I do NOT want my web browser
to produce sound!). The microphone is the issue.

Regards,

-- 
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Sound in Jitsi/BBB [was: dvice on encrypted filesystem]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 03:34:02PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> David (12020-06-25):
> > Hi, are you aware that Zoom has available a Linux-compatible
> > desktop client application that runs without a browser?
> > 
> > It works on Buster, apart from needing to be told which audio
> > device to use every time it is run.
> > Available here:
> > https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting
> 
> Note that running untrustworthy proprietary software directly on your
> own system is significantly more risky than running it in the sandbox of
> a web browser.

100% agree.

[...]

> Anyway, I never used Zoom, but with Jitsi and Big Blue Button, I had no
> sound either with Firefox, but it worked with Chromium.

You don't use Pulseaudio? Current Firefoxen have ALSA enabled for Debian,
but their ALSA support seems to have fallen prey to bitrot. I didn't
manage to get them working.

If you insist in not having Pulse (I do), there's apulse (the package
is named likewise, I think). It plays LD_PRELOAD tricks to trick FF
into believing it's talking to Pulseaudio. I had success with that.

Cheers
-- tomás

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Re: Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct]

2020-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:13 AM  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:29:43PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Perhaps OP can solve this mystery for us.
>
> nyah, nyah.
>
> > The fact that my email is not in reply to a specific message is
> > intentional and is done to avoid fingerpointing.
>
> Well done.
>
> And to all of you yelling CENSORSHIP!1!!
>
> It's not about opinions. It's about not behaving like a jerk.
>
> Expressing opinions is OK (although some attempt to stay on-topic is
> generally appreciated, but isn't enforced. I, for one, welcome that).
>
> But insulting people isn't OK. And I'm glad people stand up to that.
>

I feel it's also about not tolerating intolerance.  If folks want to be
bigots, then they can go start their own fork without the support or
blessing of us.  Similar to how Gab forked Mastodon (and then Gab broke
itself).

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

2020-06-25 Thread Nicolas George

David (12020-06-25):
> Hi, are you aware that Zoom has available a Linux-compatible
> desktop client application that runs without a browser?
> 
> It works on Buster, apart from needing to be told which audio
> device to use every time it is run.
> Available here:
> https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting

Note that running untrustworthy proprietary software directly on your
own system is significantly more risky than running it in the sandbox of
a web browser.

Installing it as a package with root privileges is even riskier. This
one does not seem to sneakily alter sources.list to add its own
repository, which is even worse, but better use the generic tarball as a
separate user.

Anyway, I never used Zoom, but with Jitsi and Big Blue Button, I had no
sound either with Firefox, but it worked with Chromium.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Looping Shell Scripts and System Load

2020-06-25 Thread David

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 19:23, Tixy  wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-06-24 at 13:43 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> [Lots of good shell scripting advice snipped]

> Thanks Greg for posting these code reviews of people's scripts, it's
> not just the script authors which might learn something, but also some
> of us list subscribers. :-)

Another excellent resource for that:
https://www.shellcheck.net/

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

2020-06-25 Thread David

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 21:30,  wrote:

> I might consider reinstalling the Buster system,
> I might even replace it with testing as, for some purposes, I need a Firefox
> more up-to-date than that in Buster.
>
> (I tried to join a Zoom meeting and could not get sound, I got a message that
> my Firefox was not new enough.)

Hi, are you aware that Zoom has available a Linux-compatible
desktop client application that runs without a browser?

It works on Buster, apart from needing to be told which audio
device to use every time it is run.
Available here:
https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting

Re: ¿Hay alguna diferecia en especificar las fuentes unstable o sid en el archivo /etc/apt/sources.list?.

2020-06-25 Thread Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Julio Herrero wrote:
>
> > El 25 jun 2020, a las 12:55, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez 
> >  escribió:
> >
> > Buenos dias.
>
> Buenos días
> >
> > Es una pequeña duda: en el archivo sources.list se puede especificar para el
> > repositorio main (y para otros) bien la distribucion sid o bien unstable, o
> > también otras experimentales o las estables que existan en cada momento.
> > Lo que no tengo claro es si el sistema resultante, la distrubución que queda
> > finalmente instalada en el ordenador es exactamente igual, queda identica,
> > en virtud de si se usa la palabra unstable en el sources.list o si la que se
> > usa es la palabra sid para especificar la distribucion.
>
> Se pueden usar ambos términos y el resultado es el mismo. Son alias. Mas info 
> en
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
>
> >
> > Muchas gracias por anticipado.
> >
> > Saludos.
> >
>
> De nada. Un saludo
>
> > Jose Luis.
> >
> > --
> > http://lordofunix.eu5.org/
> >
> > Usuario GNU/Hurd no registrado.
> > Usuario BSD registrado 51101.
> > Usuario Linux registrado #213309.
> > Una vez más cabalgaré con mis caballeros,
> > para defender lo que fue.
> > y el sueño de lo que pudo ser.
> >
>

Perfecto, Julio. Totalmente aclarado, son lo mismo.

Muy Amable.

Saludos.

Jose.

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Usuario BSD registrado 51101.
Usuario Linux registrado #213309.
Una vez más cabalgaré con mis caballeros,
para defender lo que fue.
y el sueño de lo que pudo ser.

Re: ¿Hay alguna diferecia en especificar las fuentes unstable o sid en el archivo /etc/apt/sources.list?.

2020-06-25 Thread Julio Herrero



> El 25 jun 2020, a las 12:55, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez 
>  escribió:
> 
> Buenos dias.

Buenos días
> 
> Es una pequeña duda: en el archivo sources.list se puede especificar para el
> repositorio main (y para otros) bien la distribucion sid o bien unstable, o
> también otras experimentales o las estables que existan en cada momento.
> Lo que no tengo claro es si el sistema resultante, la distrubución que queda
> finalmente instalada en el ordenador es exactamente igual, queda identica,
> en virtud de si se usa la palabra unstable en el sources.list o si la que se
> usa es la palabra sid para especificar la distribucion.

Se pueden usar ambos términos y el resultado es el mismo. Son alias. Mas info en

https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

> 
> Muchas gracias por anticipado.
> 
> Saludos.
> 

De nada. Un saludo

> Jose Luis.
> 
> --
> http://lordofunix.eu5.org/
> 
> Usuario GNU/Hurd no registrado.
> Usuario BSD registrado 51101.
> Usuario Linux registrado #213309.
> Una vez más cabalgaré con mis caballeros,
> para defender lo que fue.
> y el sueño de lo que pudo ser.
>

Re: Newbie

On 25-06-2020 20:05, davidson wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 Weaver wrote:
>> On 26-06-2020 07:26, Arun Mathai wrote:
>>> Hello Guys,
>>>
>>> I am a total newbie for debian.
>>>
>>> I have some technical difficulties and questions that i want to ask.
>>>
>>> Could anyone please tell me how to proceed.
> 
> [Begins evaluating OP against checklist below]
> 
>> First, make your subject line in the email descriptively relevant to
>> your problem.
> 
> Check.
> 
>> Do not put all your problems into one email,
> 
> Check.
> 
>> but if you do have separate issues, make an email to the list
>> specific to each one.
> 
> So far so good.
> 
>> Describe what attempts you have taken to solve them yourself
> 
> Not applicable. (Original Post *is* that attempt.)

No, it's applicable.
(1) What he might have tried could cut out some potential(s).
(2) There are a lot of people around who prefer to use your mind, and
not their own. It's a good gauge in determining if someone is worth
helping or not.

 
>> Describe the problem you have as concisely as you can.
> 
> Check.
> 
> OP is a natural!

-- 
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by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful'.

— Lucius Annæus Seneca.

Terrorism, the new religion.

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Re: why foxit hasn't been included in buster?

2020-06-25 Thread Klaus Singvogel

Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 10:07:34 +0200
> Erwan David  wrote:
> 
> > Le 25/06/2020 à 09:41, Klaus Singvogel a écrit :
> > > 
> > > Btw, if you know a Form capable PDF viewer, which is FOSS, let me know.
> > > 
> > 
> > Okular does (KDE document viewer, not only PDF)
> 
> As does Gnome's Evince / Document Viewer. I don't know if it works with
> all PDF forms, but I just tested it with this one, and it seems to work
> fine:
> 
> http://foersom.com/net/HowTo/data/OoPdfFormExample.pdf

Thanks for the input.

I'm sorry that I forgot the important part: the calculation via JavaScript.

There exists PDF Forms, which can calculate, and I'm sure that evince
Version 3.30.2-3+deb10u1, which is shipped with Debian Buster, is not
able.

I'm not sure about Okular, but will find out later. :-)

Best regards,
Klaus.
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GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

Re: Are All Drives Installed .

2020-06-25 Thread Greg Wooledge

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 02:36:02PM -0700, Arun Mathai wrote:
>  I own a Dell e6420

Google says this is a laptop, released in years 2010-2012.

> ,  and i had installed debian buster (mate).But the
> brightness and wifi drivers and i assume the hdmi drivers were not
> installed. How can i know that all the drivers for my device is installed.

The typo in the Subject: is a bit unfortunate, but we can work with
that.

The first thing you need to know is the difference between driver
and firmware.

A driver is a chunk of code that runs inside the kernel, often loaded
on demand as a kernel module.  Most drivers are included in the kernel
packages that you've already installed.  Some drivers have to be built
from source code on your system, using headers that match your kernel.

Firmware is a chunk of code that runs inside a device.  It's loaded
from a file on your disk, and uploaded into the device at boot time.
The kernel doesn't know or care what the firmware does; the kernel only
needs to know its name.

When it comes to firmware, you can usually run "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
to see what firmware files the kernel wants to load, and which ones it
failed to load, and which ones it succeeded in loading.  Given the
firmware filename from the kernel, you can do a package file search
to figure out which non-free package contains that firmware (if any).
Then, once you know what package to install, you simply use
"apt install packagename" to install it.

When you say "(mate)", this tells me you most likely used one of the
semi-official Debian Live installer images.  Not the standard netinst
image, and definitely not the unofficial netinst-plus-nonfree-firmware
image.

As such, you've got a system that's 100% Free (as in Libre), and does
not include any non-free firmware or drivers.

Sadly, almost all computers sold today require some non-free firmware
to work properly.  *Especially* laptops, and *MOST* especially wireless
network interfaces.  Wireless is the *worst* when it comes to Freedom.

In order to get your non-free devices working correctly, there are a
few steps to follow:

0) Make sure you actually have network repository lines for Debian
   in your /etc/apt/sources.list.  If you did an install without a
   working network, you may not have a working sources.list file,
   because this part of the installer was written by people who
   are completely out of touch with the user base.

1) Add " contrib non-free" to each network repository line in
  /etc/apt/sources.list and then run "apt update".

  Steps 0 and 1 together would give you a sources.list that looks
  like this:

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free

   If your network didn't work during installation, you can just remove
   *everything* in the sources.list file and replace it with those
   three lines.  Don't forget to run "apt update".

2) Identify the hardware.  For most built-in devices, you can run
   "lspci -nn".  Don't forget the -nn option, as this adds the PCI ID
   code to the output, and that's the *only* way to be absolutely
   sure what the hardware actually is.  Vendors love to change the
   hardware but keep the model number the same, so you can't count
   on model numbers alone.

   For USB devices, you would normally use "lsusb".

3) Figure out what firmware and/or drivers are required for that
   hardware.  This is the hard part.  It's something you can Google
   for, given the PCI ID and model number and the key word "Debian".
   Other people who've dealt with your hardware in the past are
   likely to have posted about it *somewhere* on the Internet, and
   you can simply dig up their past advice.

   Or, you can post the "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" output for the device
   here, and it's pretty likely that someone will know how to deal
   with it.

For your video issues, on a laptop this old, it's possible that you
may only need to add some non-free firmware, and that may fix
everything.  Or, if it's an nvidia chipset, you may need to use
a non-free driver instead of the Free driver.  Or it could be one of
those "Optimus" horror shows, with both an Intel chipset and an nvidia
chipset, in which case you are screwed.

We won't know until we see the lspci -nn output.

For your wireless interface issues, you could need a whole non-free
driver, or you could simply need firmware.  Some of the drivers aren't
even in Debian, and have to be installed from outside sources.  Wireless
is the *worst*.

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:20:55 PM David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 24 Jun 2020 at 21:28:38 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On my Wheezy system, I used cryptsetup to set up a LUKs  encrypted file
> > system on a dedicated partition
> 
> What were the contents of this partition: the OS itself, or /home,
> or an independent filesystem that you'd probably mount under /media?

an independent filesystem mounted as a top level directory

> Same this time around?

yes

> > (actually, two filesystems).
> 
> Do you mean you did this twice, or what?

Hm, I can elaborate a little: I have one filesystem / partition for my very 
sensitive private data, and a second to back that stuff up.

(I have some scripts to allow me to easily open (and close) those filesystems 
-- when they open, the unencrypted content is put on a ramdisk (with the 
intent if somebody gets physical possession of the device (which is a desktop, 
not a laptop), the enencrypted data disappears on power off.) 

> 
> Laptops? 

Well, the Buster system is a laptop, Jessie is a desktop.  I don't plan to put 
much, if any, sensitive data on the laptop.  (I don't really even intend to 
take the laptop out of the house, especially during this Covid thing -- I 
installed Buster on it because I needed GCC 7+ and couldn't (easily) do that 
on the Wheezy or Jessie systems.

> Do you use suspend? 

No.

> Desktops? 

See above.

> Do you boot them remotely?

No, but they do stay up 24/7 unless there is a (longer that 2 minute (power is 
UPS supported)) power outage, or a (very rare) reboot.

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 09:34:00 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 09:28:38PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm wondering if cryptsetup is still something like "state of the art" or
> > if there is anything more secure and simpler to learn to setup?
> 
> Assuming you are considering a new installation, which you seem to have
> implied, 

Ahh, yes, I screwed up -- I certainly did imply that, but both the Jessie and 
the Buster system are already installed and being used, I would not want to 
reinstall the Jessie system, I might consider reinstalling the Buster system, 
I might even replace it with testing as, for some purposes, I need a Firefox 
more up-to-date than that in Buster.   

(I tried to join a Zoom meeting and could not get sound, I got a message that 
my Firefox was not new enough.)

At least for the Jessie system, I'd like to install some encrypted filesystems 
without reinstalling (or replacing) Jessie.

> then you should probably just try the Debian Installer.  The
> support for installing to an encrypted partition has improved
> considerably with each installer release.  The last time I did it with a
> Buster installer it was not even necessary to consult my notes.

Re: why foxit hasn't been included in buster?

2020-06-25 Thread Celejar

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 10:07:34 +0200
Erwan David  wrote:

> Le 25/06/2020 à 09:41, Klaus Singvogel a écrit :
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Don't want to start a flamewar here. But there a many Free and Open Source
> > Software PDF viewers, which can be recommended for different uses.
> > 
> > All of the OpenSource PDF viewers have their dis-/advantanges and none is
> > the best. If you have to fillout Forms, I've never seen an OpenSource PDF
> > viewer yet, which is apable. Same for the annotations capability, many of
> > the free ones lack of the feature.
> > 
> > Btw, if you know a Form capable PDF viewer, which is FOSS, let me know.
> > 
> 
> Okular does (KDE document viewer, not only PDF)

As does Gnome's Evince / Document Viewer. I don't know if it works with
all PDF forms, but I just tested it with this one, and it seems to work
fine:

http://foersom.com/net/HowTo/data/OoPdfFormExample.pdf

Celejar

Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:29:43PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:

[...]

> > Perhaps OP can solve this mystery for us.

nyah, nyah.

> The fact that my email is not in reply to a specific message is
> intentional and is done to avoid fingerpointing.

Well done.

And to all of you yelling CENSORSHIP!1!!

It's not about opinions. It's about not behaving like a jerk.

Expressing opinions is OK (although some attempt to stay on-topic is
generally appreciated, but isn't enforced. I, for one, welcome that).

But insulting people isn't OK. And I'm glad people stand up to that.

Cheers
-- t

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¿Hay alguna diferecia en especificar las fuentes unstable o sid en el archivo /etc/apt/sources.list?.

2020-06-25 Thread Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez

Buenos dias.

Es una pequeña duda: en el archivo sources.list se puede especificar para el
repositorio main (y para otros) bien la distribucion sid o bien unstable, o
también otras experimentales o las estables que existan en cada momento.

Lo que no tengo claro es si el sistema resultante, la distrubución que queda
finalmente instalada en el ordenador es exactamente igual, queda identica,
en virtud de si se usa la palabra unstable en el sources.list o si la que se
usa es la palabra sid para especificar la distribucion.

Muchas gracias por anticipado.

Saludos.

Jose Luis.

--
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Usuario GNU/Hurd no registrado.
Usuario BSD registrado 51101.
Usuario Linux registrado #213309.
Una vez más cabalgaré con mis caballeros,
para defender lo que fue.
y el sueño de lo que pudo ser.

Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct

2020-06-25 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue

Le jeudi 25 juin 2020 à 09:42:44+, davidson a écrit :
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 deloptes wrote:
> > davidson wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > > > Dear users,
> > > > 
> > > > In the past days we saw multiple emails discussing about non
> > > > Debian-related things and infringing the Code of Conduct[0] of the
> > > > Project in the same time.
> > > 
> > > Oh, crap. I think I know what this is about. Sorry everybody.
> > 
> > Sorry but I do not understand - can you explain the context?
> 
> /me reluctantly drops out of satirical mode
> 
> I cannot.
> 
> > What is the reason, which thread?
> 
> Perhaps OP can solve this mystery for us.

The fact that my email is not in reply to a specific message is
intentional and is done to avoid fingerpointing. You, being horrified
about the authoritarism a Code of Conduct and potential moderation seems
to represent, should be delighted that no scapegoat was designated.

Yet, although some may try and play naive, I'm pretty sure the concerned
people know who they are and what my email is referring about, and
that seems quite enough to me.

Bests,

-- 
Pierre-Elliott Bécue
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Re: Problema instalación debian

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 07:20:21AM +, miguel diaz_durany wrote:
> Hola, es la primera vez que escribo, y soy muy novato en él mundo de linux. 
> Le cuento, estoy instalando debían 7 en un ordenador antiguo de 32 bits. 
> Compré un cd de instalación porque el ordenador no puede acceder a internet. 
> La instalación la hace sin problema.
> El problema es al arrancar, aparecen todas las letras movidas a la derecha y 
> tiembla todo.
> Creo que es la tarjeta gráfica que no la soporta. ¿como puedo configurar ese 
> parámetro durante la instalación?

Es posible que el modo gráfico no sea compatible con el monitor.
¿Tienes un monitor VGA?

Para cambiar el modo gráfico al arrancar puedes poner en /etc/default/grub.conf
algo así como

  GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768
  GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep

(con los valores apropiados, eso es lo que hay que averiguar).

Por cierto, este grupo es en inglés: la mayoría de la gente no te va a
entender. Si prefieres un grupo en castellano, aquí hay uno:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/

saludos
-- tomás


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Re: Problema instalación debian


On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 miguel diaz_durany wrote:


Hola, es la primera vez que escribo, y soy muy novato en él mundo de
linux. Le cuento, estoy instalando debían 7 en un ordenador antiguo
de 32 bits. Compré un cd de instalación porque el ordenador no puede
acceder a internet. La instalación la hace sin problema.


Lo siento, my friend, but my spanish is read-only. And this list is
the one for English speakers.

You can find speakers of spanish on

  debian-user-span...@lists.debian.org

Good luck!


El problema es al arrancar, aparecen todas las letras movidas a la derecha y 
tiembla todo.
Creo que es la tarjeta gráfica que no la soporta. ¿como puedo
configurar ese parámetro durante la instalación?
Que me aconseja
Gracias y disculpen las molestias
Un saludo


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Problema instalación debian

2020-06-25 Thread miguel diaz_durany

Hola, es la primera vez que escribo, y soy muy novato en él mundo de linux. Le 
cuento, estoy instalando debían 7 en un ordenador antiguo de 32 bits. Compré un 
cd de instalación porque el ordenador no puede acceder a internet. La 
instalación la hace sin problema.
El problema es al arrancar, aparecen todas las letras movidas a la derecha y 
tiembla todo.
Creo que es la tarjeta gráfica que no la soporta. ¿como puedo configurar ese 
parámetro durante la instalación?
Que me aconseja
Gracias y disculpen las molestias
Un saludo

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Re: Newbie


On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 Weaver wrote:

On 26-06-2020 07:26, Arun Mathai wrote:

Hello Guys,

I am a total newbie for debian.

I have some technical difficulties and questions that i want to ask.

Could anyone please tell me how to proceed.


[Begins evaluating OP against checklist below]


First, make your subject line in the email descriptively relevant to
your problem.


Check.


Do not put all your problems into one email,


Check.


but if you do have separate issues, make an email to the list
specific to each one.


So far so good.


Describe what attempts you have taken to solve them yourself


Not applicable. (Original Post *is* that attempt.)


Describe the problem you have as concisely as you can.


Check.

OP is a natural!

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Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct


On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 elvis wrote:


On 25/6/20 1:31 pm, davidson wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:

Dear users,

In the past days we saw multiple emails discussing about non
Debian-related things and infringing the Code of Conduct[0] of the
Project in the same time.


Oh, crap. I think I know what this is about. Sorry everybody.


The Community Team would like to remind you that this Code of
Conduct is to be followed when communicating on any Debian
Discussion Medium, even by non Debian Members.

Following the CoC guidelines isn't hard, it's essentially about not
being unrespectful to other people,


Oh god. Look, this is about my signature, isn't it?

It's a joke, man. A reductio ad absurdum, if you will.


and it helps avoiding situations where any form of official
moderation would be needed.


Woah, slow down. If you really think it's a problem, I can change the
sig. All you gotta do is ask.


Anybody of course may have an opinion, but voicing it in
disrespectful ways can't be accepted, as it could drive other
members of the Community away.


Look, for the last time, it's not *my* opinion. It is (allegedly)
Horatio Nelson's. And the whole point is that it is a very, very DUMB
opinion. Held by nobody but chauvinist troglodytes that need to be
excluded from polite society for the good of all.


??? I guess you can hold that opinion


For the record, I do not. That was satire.

The extent which putative communities and the sanction of banishment
seem to co-occur alarms me. In my small corner of the world, I sense
that "community" the term, and banishment the sanction, are
increasingly overapplied.

It almost seems as if the less felicitous it is, to call the group in
question a community, the more frequent are the calls for banishment.


if you have never studied or read about the period to put it in
context.


Indeed I have not. I did once attempt David Webber's Honor Harrington
series of science fiction novels (space opera subgenre), whose
protagonist is reportedly based on Nelson. But I did not know this at
the time, and I did not get very far.

I would be grateful for any book recommendation that you think might
improve a patient reader's understanding of the historical context.


To a student of the period it holds a subtle humour and is just a
product of its times.


Thank you for this.

To me, oblivious to its original context, it sums up an authoritarian
syllogism, saying the "quiet part out loud":

  1. Firstly, you must always implicitly obey orders, without
 attempting to form any opinion of your own respecting their
 propriety.

[South Park's Cartman voice:] Obey mah authoritah!

A would-be authority that begins and ends here will fail. Such a state
of affairs must first be constructed. ("Firstly" is a lie. "Lastly"
would be the truth.)

  2. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill
 of your king;

$king is just a variable, a placeholder for some sacred postulate, any
questioning of which is immediately met with overwhelming force.

  3. and thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman, as you do the devil.

$Frenchman is the placeholder for a handy quotidien scapegoat, used to
misdirect the mob's inherent resentment of authority.

$devil of course stands for the eternal (ie, imaginary/ideal)
scapegoat, useful to have around when no real $Frenchman will
plausibly serve.

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Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct


On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 deloptes wrote:

davidson wrote:


On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:

Dear users,

In the past days we saw multiple emails discussing about non
Debian-related things and infringing the Code of Conduct[0] of the
Project in the same time.


Oh, crap. I think I know what this is about. Sorry everybody.


Sorry but I do not understand - can you explain the context?


/me reluctantly drops out of satirical mode

I cannot.


What is the reason, which thread?


Perhaps OP can solve this mystery for us.

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Re: Are All Drives Installed .

2020-06-25 Thread echo test

>
> Hello,

I'm a newbie too, if you want to know if your drivers are installed look at
the kernel logs with:
$ dmesg
If they're not you should see some error/warning messages. By default
Debian will not install non free software like proprietary drivers. If this
cause your issue, find the related driver and install it. For example, if
you use:
$ lspci
You may find your network adapter named Atheros.* then install
atheros-firmeware.deb. hope this help.

Normally nobody can help you without knowing what are the devices you whose
you want the drivers. Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my mother
language.


>
> Le jeu. 25 juin 2020 à 11:06, Arun Mathai  a
> écrit :
>
>> Hello Guys,
>>
>>   I own a Dell e6420 ,  and i had installed debian buster (mate).But the
>> brightness and wifi drivers and i assume the hdmi drivers were not
>> installed. How can i know that all the drivers for my device is installed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Arun Mathai
>>
>>
>>

Re: Looping Shell Scripts and System Load

2020-06-25 Thread Tixy

On Wed, 2020-06-24 at 13:43 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
[Lots of good shell scripting advice snipped]

Thanks Greg for posting these code reviews of people's scripts, it's
not just the script authors which might learn something, but also some
of us list subscribers. :-)

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Are All Drives Installed .

2020-06-25 Thread Arun Mathai


Hello Guys,

 I own a Dell e6420 ,  and i had installed debian buster (mate).But the 
brightness and wifi drivers and i assume the hdmi drivers were not 
installed. How can i know that all the drivers for my device is installed.


Regards,

Arun Mathai

Re: Newbie