Re: Phone

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-07-27 10:01 a.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2021-07-26, Charlie  wrote:
>>
>>  On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:49:37 +0100 Joe Informed me about Re:
>>  Phone
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 16:57:04 +0300
>>> Gunnar Gervin  wrote:
>>>
 Will buy phone zoon, then play with this android for fun & learn.  
>>>
>>> Please comment here on your findings. Perhaps it is just me who thinks
>>> they are toys.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Joe
>>>
>> +1
>>
> 
> The fundamental irony here is that you people are such elitist snobs.
> 
I can only support what you said here.
I think next step will be to build a Leica type computer... Oh yes, it's
called Apple... But no it's not because Leica work great...
> 
> 

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Re: encrypt/lvm issue during install.... [WAS: location of screenshots during debian install

[Jupiter777]

On 2021-07-27 12:53 PM, Brian wrote:

On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 11:55:32 -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:




On 2021-07-27 06:10 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:



hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?


short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also
be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the
installed system).

long answer:
https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots




hello,

no, I can not complete the installation  either because of
what I do or what I don't know (how to do) ...


I was hoping screenshots debian installation advertises
may be something I can use to (a) research the problem on my own
or (b) share it with folks here to get help.


You are obviously trying to help yourself. That is good. Please say
at what stage the installation fails and what you see on the screen
then.






. . . the issue was that I got caught in a seemingly
loop during encryption/lvm portion of partitioning section
of the install! I guess what made it a bit annoying
was that the loop had no exit sign ;-)


here is the sketchy version of the story:

... in Advanced->GUI Expert Install  

in partitioning section one is presented with :

Guided: largest contiguous 

Guided: entire disk (3 of these)

Manual


The 'entire disk' ones would not work for me
as I did not want to destroy the other OS.


The aforementioned loop-with-no-exit occurred in the Manual method.


it *did not* happen in 'Guided: largest contiguous '  and
I finished the install!



so loop-with-no-exit went like:


-- installer recognized the disk, OK

-- did the 1gb /boot ext2 non-encrypted configured , OK   /dev/sda7

-- 150gb partition, planned to be / with everything in it,
   recognized by installer, OK  /dev/sda6

-- configured /dev/sda6 to be / and mount-point /  too , OK

-- went inside the lvm config/manager 

-- added volume group vg1 off of /dev/sda6 , OK

-- added logical volume lv1 (inside vg1) , OK

-- now every time i go back out into the 'encrypt volumes' section
   and tell it to encrypt /dev/sda6 which is / the root, which it does
   encrypt it,  and i get back out in the parent menu, the "/" is lost
and of course at this time choosing 'Finish' or 'Done with this
partition' is  no use since the ultimate result is seeing the famous
   'no root file system is defined'



   at that point, I wish I could delete the lv1 and vg1 and
   start over again in the partitioning section
   of the process or maybe do something else ... but no such luck
   it would not let me and had to power-down the system
   and start from scratch to try something else ..






thank you,

Re: using scanbd

[mick crane]

On 2021-07-27 17:11, mick crane wrote:
The scanner works with XSane and Gimp without any configuration on my 
part.

I'd like to scan a load using the scanner's scan button.
Can somebody give me a quick instruction how that works ?

Installed scanbd which seems to be working in that it stopped XSane
finding the scanner until I killed scanbd.
I see that I can comment out the other scanners except the
manufacturer in /etc/scanbd/scanbd.conf and that I can maybe comment
out all the other models in /etc/scanbd/fujitsu.conf.
The example script in /usr/share/doc/scanbd/examples indicates that it
might save the scanned file to /tmp/scanner.test which I could change.
Question is if on the right track if I scan many documents how to make
the files sequentially numbered if the "example.script" is opened new
each scan ?


Ok, I see from archlinux scanbd wiki that there are some things I need 
to do.
I think then that when scanbd gets a word "scan" from the scanner that 
it calls a script which can just contain "scanimage >image.pgm"
Suppose I could have in there get a number "i" from a file and add one 
to it and save that back to the file and have scanimage >$i.pgm
in order to get sequential numbering unless there is some already 
configured way to do that?


mick
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Re: explanation of first column "v" is hiding

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:43:28AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 28/07/21 7:55 am, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > https://bugs.debian.org/991578
> 
> Nice.
> 
> I looked at the patch, but I'm not familiar with what processing gets done
> on that code.
> 
> Does your reference to the reference manual, in the last  of the diff,
> get expanded to tell me where to find the reference manual? Is that
> feasible?

I'm not really fluent in docbook, so I can't say what's possible or
impossible.  The sentence that refers to the "reference guide" is
already in the current aptitude(8) man page.  All I did was move it.

Looking at it again, it's curious that this one sentence says "reference
guide" when all the others say "reference manual".  But again, I didn't
write this sentence; it was already there.

Putting "aptitude reference manual" into Google gives me
 which is
self-titled "Chapter 2. aptitude reference guide".  So maybe the one
that says "reference guide" is the correct one, and it's all the rest
that are wrong.

Re: explanation of first column "v" is hiding

[Richard Hector]

On 28/07/21 7:55 am, Greg Wooledge wrote:

https://bugs.debian.org/991578


Nice.

I looked at the patch, but I'm not familiar with what processing gets 
done on that code.


Does your reference to the reference manual, in the last  of the 
diff, get expanded to tell me where to find the reference manual? Is 
that feasible?


Cheers,
Richard

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Richard Hector]

On 27/07/21 7:14 pm, Jupiter777 wrote:



hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?


I've never used this facility, so I'm only guessing.

But if they're not on the installer media, then they're presumably on 
the disk you're installing to, which is mounted on /target/ during the 
installation - so /target/var/log/.


Whether and how you can get them off that disk if you haven't finished 
the installation is a different matter, of course :-)


Richard

Clean install or update

[Gunnar Gervin]

Polyna,
I prefer clean install because my old computer often crashes after updating.
According to my expert friend, Linus Torvalds "user space respect" means he
asks developers Not to invade / destroy user space; crashing some computers
cos they`re thinking "it`ll work for most users, so we`re going for it". 2
ways to crash my computer:

1. Force it to use 64 bits not 32 bits.
2. Force it to use UEFI and not the BIOS & bios-grub

I suppose there are many other ways, like new, wrong drivers.
I wish you a marvellous day of social interactions in love & respect.
BR,
geg

Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real hardware

[Marco Möller]

On 24.07.21 22:14, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:

Hello!

Let's help developers to test upcoming Debian version 11 by filling out 
the community-driven list of tested hardware configurations: 
https://github.com/linuxhw/TestCoverage/tree/master/Dist/Debian_11 

The development team only has a limited set of hardware for tests, but 
I'm sure we can find almost any configuration in the community. Anyone 
can easily add their computers / laptops or servers info to the list 
using the package https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/hw-probe 
.
You can download Debian 11 release candidate on the page 
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ 
.

Andrey


Hello!
Many of my hardware components in the tested laptop become "detected" 
but not marked as "works", although I can confirm that they do work 
flawlessly. Obviously the hw-probe did not catch all information as 
positive as possible. Anything I can do about it?

Marco

Re: Logitech C270 webcam

[Greg Wooledge]

Please don't ask me for help in private.  Keep it on the mailing list.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> Interestingly, I apparently have pulse installed and running:
> 
> paulf@dudley:~$ ps ax | grep pulse
>  1063 ?    S 
> I didn't manually load it, so somewhere it must have loaded itself. And the
> same with alsa:
> 
> paulf@dudley:~$ ps ax | grep alsa
>   583 ?    SNs    0:04 /usr/sbin/alsactl -E HOME=/run/alsa -s -n 19 -c
> rdaemon
> 
> I don't know much about sound, so any pointers would help.
> 
> Paul

I'm currently on bullseye, but I started using Pulse on buster, so some
details may appear slightly different.  The basic steps should be similar,
though.

In my current X session, I have:

unicorn:~$ ps auxw | grep -e pulse -e alsa
greg 875  6.0  0.2 1682936 26992 ?   S

Re: explanation of first column "v" is hiding

[tomas]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 03:55:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

[...]

> https://bugs.debian.org/991578

Wow. Thanks for making Debian better :-)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: explanation of first column "v" is hiding

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 07:28:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 at 07:25, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > I would suggest taking the paragraph that describes what the letters
> > mean, which is currently under the "search" subcommand, and doing two
> > things to it:
> > 
> > 1) Reformat it as a table.
> > 2) Move it to a separate section, and drop a sentence in the "search"
> >subcommand pointing to it.
> > 
> > Then, add that same sentence to the "why" subcommand, and to any other
> > subcommands that have the same single-letter output indicators.
> 
> Sounds worth a wishlist bug report, to me (against whatever package it
> is that contains the file which includes the text in question).
> 
> If you can come up with a patch that implements this, that would make it
> *far* more likely that the requested change would get implemented.

https://bugs.debian.org/991578

At this point, I am firmly convinced that docbook's table generation
(at least as used by aptitude) is broken beyond repair.  There is no
combination of width='...' and colwidth='...' which generates acceptable
output.  I am also convinced that everyone else who uses docbook already
knows this, and does not try to use it to generate tables, and this is
why there are no real life examples of docbook man pages with tables
for Google to give me.

So, I gave up and made each table a "variable list" instead.

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Brian]

On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 11:55:32 -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:

> 
> 
> On 2021-07-27 06:10 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> > 
> > On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > hello,
> > > 
> > > I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
> > > 
> > > I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
> > > 
> > >   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...
> > > 
> > > Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
> > > 
> > short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also
> > be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the
> > installed system).
> > 
> > long answer:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots
> > 
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> no, I can not complete the installation  either because of
> what I do or what I don't know (how to do) ...
> 
> 
> I was hoping screenshots debian installation advertises
> may be something I can use to (a) research the problem on my own
> or (b) share it with folks here to get help.

You are obviously trying to help yourself. That is good. Please say
at what stage the installation fails and what you see on the screen
then.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Logitech C270 webcam

[Paul M. Foster]

On 7/27/21 12:21 PM, Thomas Amm wrote:

On Tue, 2021-07-27 at 11:44 -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:

Folks:

I bought a Logitech C270 webcam, which is supposed to work in Linux.
It
does, EXCEPT the microphone isn't picking up sound. I've checked in
alsamixer, and the microphone device can be selected. But under
cheese
or other software, it still does not capture. Yes, I've googled this,
but it's Linux, so there are few answers and none of them work for
me.

Any help?

Paul

Probably, as I still am having such a camera around somewhere. I
remember having used it and -vaguely- that I had problems to keep it
from registering as primary audio device. So there should be a way.
Some details would be nice to know:
-what does 'lsmod|grep audio' return
-what is the output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards'
-what does 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' say when you plug in the camera
(try hotplugging it while 'tail -f[...]' is running)
-is the camera connected to a USB-2 or a USB-3 port? I remember the
C270 causing trouble with some USB-3 ports.


As follows:

paulf@dudley:~$ lsmod | grep audio
snd_usb_audio 262144  2
snd_usbmidi_lib    36864  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_hwdep  16384  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm   114688  6 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
snd    94208  27 
snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi
usbcore   294912  9 
xhci_hcd,snd_usb_audio,usbhid,snd_usbmidi_lib,usblp,usb_storage,uvcvideo,xhci_pci,uas

paulf@dudley:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [PCH    ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
  HDA Intel PCH at 0xdf04 irq 127
 1 [U0x46d0x825    ]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x825
  USB Device 0x46d:0x825 at usb-:00:14.0-2, 
high speed


Card #1 above is the C270.

I don't want to hotplug this thing if I can avoid it-- it's way down and 
under everything. Plugged into a USB 2 slot.


Paul

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Hello-World]

On 2021-07-27 12:00 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:55:32AM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:

[...]

I can't help you with your install problem: too few details
to venture a try. But:


Also,  thank you for sharing the https://screenshots.debian.net/

Do you know how I can use it?

I mean:  when I click on 'Upload' it appears to me the page is
telling me what I upload "must" be related to some topic or something!


What topic should I choose on the 'Upload' page  on
https://screenshots.debian.net/ ?

I may solve the issue myself but still it's good for me to know
how to use the https://screenshots.debian.net/ .


I think screenshots.debian.net is for people to "see" how software
"looks like": users of some software upload their screenshots for
others to have an idea of the user interface. So it is more kind
of a documentation project.


documentation/documenting is invaluable;

by that token, I certainly  don't want to mess it up
by uploading , in this case, pics of debian install issues
into , let say, ttf-mscorefonts-installer folder 


how can I start a new folder/project/sub-section or whatever is the
terminology ... on https://screenshots.debian.net


thank you,





Cheers
  - t

Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real hardware

[piorunz]

On 24/07/2021 21:14, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:

Hello!

Let's help developers to test upcoming Debian version 11 by filling out
the community-driven list of tested hardware configurations:
https://github.com/linuxhw/TestCoverage/tree/master/Dist/Debian_11

The development team only has a limited set of hardware for tests, but
I'm sure we can find almost any configuration in the community. Anyone
can easily add their computers / laptops or servers info to the list
using the package https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/hw-probe
.
You can download Debian 11 release candidate on the page
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
.
Andrey


Thanks for this, I tested and uploaded results on several computers
which are running Debian 10 and some 11 already.

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Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[tomas]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:55:32AM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:

[...]

I can't help you with your install problem: too few details
to venture a try. But:

> Also,  thank you for sharing the https://screenshots.debian.net/
> 
> Do you know how I can use it?
> 
> I mean:  when I click on 'Upload' it appears to me the page is
> telling me what I upload "must" be related to some topic or something!
> 
> 
> What topic should I choose on the 'Upload' page  on
> https://screenshots.debian.net/ ?
> 
> I may solve the issue myself but still it's good for me to know
> how to use the https://screenshots.debian.net/ .

I think screenshots.debian.net is for people to "see" how software
"looks like": users of some software upload their screenshots for
others to have an idea of the user interface. So it is more kind
of a documentation project.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Jupiter777]

On 2021-07-27 06:10 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:



hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

  Screenshot Saved as /var/log/


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?


short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also
be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the
installed system).

long answer:
https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots




hello,

no, I can not complete the installation  either because of
what I do or what I don't know (how to do) ...


I was hoping screenshots debian installation advertises
may be something I can use to (a) research the problem on my own
or (b) share it with folks here to get help.

since (b) is obviously not an option, I continue on see
how far I can go in the install ...


Also,  thank you for sharing the https://screenshots.debian.net/

Do you know how I can use it?

I mean:  when I click on 'Upload' it appears to me the page is
telling me what I upload "must" be related to some topic or something!


What topic should I choose on the 'Upload' page  on
https://screenshots.debian.net/ ?

I may solve the issue myself but still it's good for me to know
how to use the https://screenshots.debian.net/ .


Thank you,












thank you

Re: Types of Debian updates

[Brian]

On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 15:37:24 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 05:49:31PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:

[...]

> > Release
> 
> Major release. Strictly, Debian has several releases in play at any one
> time.

OK, if it relates to stable and oldstable.
 
> There is a section called Experimental which has a few packages but is not
> really a release - it's a staging area for experimental packages. Almost 
> certainly for developers only or people on the very bleeding edge.
> 
> There is always a subset of Debian that is Unstable - codename Sid.
> 
> There's a release that is Testing - currently Bullseye - which will be 
> Debian 11 when released.Under normal circumstances, packages would percolate
> from Unstable to Testing, but at the moment Testing is frozen for release
> when it's ready.

I wouldn't see experimental, unstable or testing as Releases.

> There's the stable branch: Currently Buster - Debian 10.10.

That's the present Release. To nitpick - I'd see buster as the one,
true Debian (for the next few weeks).

> There's oldstable - Debian 9 - and oldoldstable - Debian 8 under support
> as either LTS or ELTS.

This support is not engineered by Debian.

-- 
Brian.

Re: partial freeze when playing 3D games

[songbird]

Toni Casueps wrote:
...
> I discarded LXDE as a problem as the same happens with KDE

  without more details i can only guess, try a more recent
kernel version (via backports if neccessary) and if that
doesn't help my guess would be that the 3D game is using
some feature your hardware or libraries don't know about
or haven't implemented correctly.

  without knowing more details we're just kinda shooting
in the dark here.

  do you have a built in graphics card or are you using
some other graphics card?  if so, make sure you are using
the most recent drivers for that too.

  if the program or OS is crashing in some manner a 
coredump may help.  still i would try the kernel update
first, 2nd check graphics drivers, then see where that
gets you.


  songbird

Re: Logitech C270 webcam

[Thomas Amm]

On Tue, 2021-07-27 at 11:44 -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> Folks:
> 
> I bought a Logitech C270 webcam, which is supposed to work in Linux.
> It 
> does, EXCEPT the microphone isn't picking up sound. I've checked in 
> alsamixer, and the microphone device can be selected. But under
> cheese 
> or other software, it still does not capture. Yes, I've googled this,
> but it's Linux, so there are few answers and none of them work for
> me.
> 
> Any help?
> 
> Paul

Probably, as I still am having such a camera around somewhere. I
remember having used it and -vaguely- that I had problems to keep it
from registering as primary audio device. So there should be a way.
Some details would be nice to know: 
-what does 'lsmod|grep audio' return
-what is the output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards'
-what does 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' say when you plug in the camera
(try hotplugging it while 'tail -f[...]' is running) 
-is the camera connected to a USB-2 or a USB-3 port? I remember the
C270 causing trouble with some USB-3 ports.

using scanbd

[mick crane]

The scanner works with XSane and Gimp without any configuration on my 
part.

I'd like to scan a load using the scanner's scan button.
Can somebody give me a quick instruction how that works ?

Installed scanbd which seems to be working in that it stopped XSane 
finding the scanner until I killed scanbd.
I see that I can comment out the other scanners except the manufacturer 
in /etc/scanbd/scanbd.conf and that I can maybe comment out all the 
other models in /etc/scanbd/fujitsu.conf.
The example script in /usr/share/doc/scanbd/examples indicates that it 
might save the scanned file to /tmp/scanner.test which I could change.
Question is if on the right track if I scan many documents how to make 
the files sequentially numbered if the "example.script" is opened new 
each scan ?


mick

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runc CVEs in docker.io

[Gareth Evans]

Hello,

I was just trying to install docker.io on Buster stable when apt-listbugs 
complained about one of the open CVEs listed here:

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/runc

Given that these are all fixed in Bullseye (and at least the grave apt-listbugs 
issue has been fixed in eg Ubuntu since March 2020 [1]) why not also Buster?

apt-listbugs said:

... CVE-2019-16884 (Fixed: runc/1.0.0~rc9+dfsg1-1) ...

According to 

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/runc

there are 3 open security issues in (Stretch and) Buster (though I imagine 
Debian's support for Stretch has ended with EOL in 2020?) - do fixes like this 
come in batches?  

Thanks,
Gareth

[1] https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4297-1

Re: USB audio device no longer showing up

[Thomas Amm]

On Mon, 2021-07-26 at 08:38 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 2:52 PM Thomas Amm 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-07-23 at 08:11 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Thomas which USB chipsets do you prefer for audio? 
> > > > And are you doing MIDI over USB to the synth? 
> > > > 
> > > > Viel Glueck .Nick Geovanis
> > > > 
> > 
> > Mostly Realtek for now. I rember a faulty chipset in the early days
> > of
> > USB3 causing lots of headaches but wasn't personally affected. No
> > actual USB-3 chipset has let me down so far, however. 
> > I am actually doing MIDI over USB with all my synths but one, a
> > 1989
> > KORG Polysix with MIDI retrofit via DIN. This means I've got four
> > synths and three controllers communicating duplex over the same
> > active
> > USB-3 hub without problems even when sequencing three of them and
> > recording + monitoring the master keyboard simultaneously. No
> > miracle
> > comparing MIDI's very small bandwith and timing requirements with
> > USB-3
> > specs.
> 
> Thanks so much Thomas, that was a big question for me. Not so much
> USB-3 bandwidth but latency and timing. 
> 
> I have a Casio DMW, CSound under wintel (embarrassed silence ;-) and
> working on an Arduino-based sequencer. Arduino's have a base MIDI
> library and speak it directly.
> 

OT now, but if you're intending to run more than a single MIDI in our
out on Arduino things might get somewhat more complicated than they
seem. Arduinos I/O is fine for a single MIDI channel (hence the
countless Arduino monophone MIDI synth projects) but will quickly get
to its limits with more demanding stuff. Expect nasty jitter and timing
problems unless using a dedicated UART. 

Re: Logitech C270 webcam

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:44:36AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> I bought a Logitech C270 webcam, which is supposed to work in Linux. It
> does, EXCEPT the microphone isn't picking up sound. I've checked in
> alsamixer, and the microphone device can be selected.

When they gave me a USB camera/mic for meetings for work (thanks Covid),
I pretty quickly learned that trying to run this device under ALSA was
not for me.  That's when I finally bit the bullet and installed Pulse Audio.

Yours also appears to be a USB camera/mic (based on 1 minute with Google),
so my advice may fit.

The major problem with ALSA (for me, at least) is that it's damned near
impossible to find any documentation on how to tell the computer, "OK,
look, I've got two audio devices now.  I'd like you to use this one for
output, because it's where my speakers are plugged in.  I'd like you to
use that one for input, because it's a microphone."  You'd think this
would be pretty basic and simple, but it's not.

Pulse, on the other hand, just works.  At least for me.

But there's a trick to it.  You have to... NOT start Pulse Audio yourself.
Don't put anything in your login or session-starting files.  Nothing.  If
you do, it won't work properly, and you'll waste a whole lot of time.

You have to let it start itself "on demand".  That's it.  That's the trick.

Logitech C270 webcam

[Paul M. Foster]

Folks:

I bought a Logitech C270 webcam, which is supposed to work in Linux. It 
does, EXCEPT the microphone isn't picking up sound. I've checked in 
alsamixer, and the microphone device can be selected. But under cheese 
or other software, it still does not capture. Yes, I've googled this, 
but it's Linux, so there are few answers and none of them work for me.


Any help?

Paul

Re: Types of Debian updates

[Peter Ehlert]

Welcome.
I suggest you spend some time becoming familiar with Debian.
the Debian Wiki should be your primary resource.

with your favorite search tool search "debian wiki _ " for each of 
the questions you listed.

read each page carefully and follow the links.

LMDE is Not Debian. Linux Mint does things very differently and they use 
"common" terms in an odd manner.


On 7/27/21 7:49 AM, Gunnar Gervin wrote:

Please tell & explain which update types there are like
Point release
Release
Update
New distro release etc/similar.
Geg

Re: Types of Debian updates

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 05:49:31PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Please tell & explain which update types there are like
> Point release

Debian has major release versions. The Debian stable version today (20210727)
is Debian 10 - codename Buster.

Roughly about every three months/quarter of a year, Debian will publish a
point release. This is genrally a round up of all the bug fixes and security 
fixes since the last point release. If you are keeping your machine up to 
date, then generally a point release will mean very little.

Generally, there will be a bump to the base-files version and an increment on
/etc/debian-version. So: Buster released with version 10.0 - with point 
releases, it's now up to 10.10.

> Release

Major release. Strictly, Debian has several releases in play at any one
time. 

There is a section called Experimental which has a few packages but is not
really a release - it's a staging area for experimental packages. Almost 
certainly for developers only or people on the very bleeding edge.

There is always a subset of Debian that is Unstable - codename Sid.

There's a release that is Testing - currently Bullseye - which will be 
Debian 11 when released.Under normal circumstances, packages would percolate
from Unstable to Testing, but at the moment Testing is frozen for release
when it's ready.

There's the stable branch: Currently Buster - Debian 10.10.

There's oldstable - Debian 9 - and oldoldstable - Debian 8 under support
as either LTS or ELTS.

> Update

Packages update fairly regularly - security and other fixes. Run apt update
apt upgrade and you'll get them.

> New distro release etc/similar.

Releases tend to spend two years in testing and then have about a five year
lifespan. If Bullseye gets released as Debian 11 on or about August 14th 2021
as planned - it will be the new stable, Buster will become oldstable, Stretch
will become oldoldstable.

The release after Bullseye will be called Bookworm. The release after that 
will be called Trixie. Debian codenames for releases are traditionally Toy
Story character names.

There's a whole lot more on this in wiki.debian.org / www.debian.org /
Wikipedia or the Debian Handbook https://debian.handbook.info (or available
as a Debian package debian-handbook).

> Geg

All best, 

Andy Cater

Re: Types of Debian updates

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 05:49:31PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Please tell & explain which update types there are like
> Point release
> Release
> Update
> New distro release etc/similar.

You can start with 
and .

That wiki page then links to
 which addresses
your first question.

Debian & philosophy

[Gunnar Gervin]

Dan:
WOW!
THX a LOT!
Phone described as a tool.
Geg

Types of Debian updates

[Gunnar Gervin]

Please tell & explain which update types there are like
Point release
Release
Update
New distro release etc/similar.
Geg

Re: Phone

[Curt]

On 2021-07-26, Charlie  wrote:
>
>   On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:49:37 +0100 Joe Informed me about Re:
>   Phone
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 16:57:04 +0300
>> Gunnar Gervin  wrote:
>> 
>> > Will buy phone zoon, then play with this android for fun & learn.  
>> 
>> Please comment here on your findings. Perhaps it is just me who thinks
>> they are toys.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Joe
>> 
> +1
>

The fundamental irony here is that you people are such elitist snobs.

Re: Using fontforge to convert TrueType or OpenType fonts to PostScript Type 1

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 23:50 Teemu Likonen  wrote:
>
> * 2021-07-26 16:15:01-0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> > Can anyone show how to script the above conversion?
> It's not good writing style to refer to a subject or heading.

True, I don't usually do that. I apologize.

> the script itself is simple and the code explains
> itself. Give it font file names as arguments.

It works like a charm, Teemu. Thanks very much!

Blessings,

-Tom

Debian on phones or tablets

[Dan Ritter]

This project exists:

https://mobian-project.org/

to put Debian on phones and tablets.

Currently they support the PinePhone, PineTab and Purism's
Librem 5.

Other devices are in various degress of progress.

I would describe the whole thing, tentatively, as not being
suitable for anyone's primary device, at this time.

-dsr-

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Peter Ehlert]

On 7/27/21 12:14 AM, Jupiter777 wrote:



hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

  Screenshot Saved as /var/log/


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?

short answer: If you complete the installation, the screenshots can also 
be found in the directory /var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the 
installed system).


long answer: 
https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Debian_Installer_GUI_screenshots




thank you

Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 09:23:22AM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote:
> What commands shall I type to find out the location of the directory where 
> linux-image-5.10.0-7-amd64.deb is, given the fact that I'm using a 
> USB-installer?
> 

df
mount
cd
ls
more cd
more ls
maybe find . -name 'linux*.deb'

and so on, until you find the file.  The same way you'd find a file on
a real system, if the "locate" database is not available.

P.S. I'd avoid using mount --move.  Something may need the files to
appear in their current location, wherever that is, which is why they
were mounted there.  Use mount --bind, so the files appear in *both*
places, if that's what you need.

Re: explanation of first column "v" is hiding

[The Wanderer]

On 2021-07-27 at 07:25, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 03:38:31PM +1200, Richard Hector wrote:

>> But experience suggests that A means 'automatically installed' (and p stands
>> for purged, which linguistically doesn't really mean 'maybe has been purged;
>> maybe has never been installed').
> 
> See, it's *not just me*!  Nobody else can find the section that says
> what the letters mean either.  Well, OK, not "nobody", but damned few
> people know about it.
> 
> I know that "search" comes alphabetically before "why", but the most
> common use of aptitude by people who only use it for one thing is
> "aptitude why".  So, when there is *nothing* at all in the "why"
> section that documents what the letters mean, most people will simply
> assume it's not anywhere in the man page.
> 
> I would suggest taking the paragraph that describes what the letters
> mean, which is currently under the "search" subcommand, and doing two
> things to it:
> 
> 1) Reformat it as a table.
> 2) Move it to a separate section, and drop a sentence in the "search"
>subcommand pointing to it.
> 
> Then, add that same sentence to the "why" subcommand, and to any other
> subcommands that have the same single-letter output indicators.

Sounds worth a wishlist bug report, to me (against whatever package it
is that contains the file which includes the text in question).

If you can come up with a patch that implements this, that would make it
*far* more likely that the requested change would get implemented.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: explanation of first column "v" is hiding

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 03:38:31PM +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
> My main issue with aptitude documentation is that most of it isn't in the
> manpage, but in the 'aptitude reference manual' which is referred to without
> a link. The path given in the SEE ALSO section might be that, but it doesn't
> say so.

Agreed.  But it's a tricky line to walk, when you have a *lot* of
documentation.  It's reasonable to avoid writing bash(1)-sized man
pages, and to put the less-often-needed details in an external
reference.

However, I think the aptitude(8) man page has some room for improvement.

> But experience suggests that A means 'automatically installed' (and p stands
> for purged, which linguistically doesn't really mean 'maybe has been purged;
> maybe has never been installed').

See, it's *not just me*!  Nobody else can find the section that says
what the letters mean either.  Well, OK, not "nobody", but damned few
people know about it.

I know that "search" comes alphabetically before "why", but the most
common use of aptitude by people who only use it for one thing is
"aptitude why".  So, when there is *nothing* at all in the "why"
section that documents what the letters mean, most people will simply
assume it's not anywhere in the man page.

I would suggest taking the paragraph that describes what the letters
mean, which is currently under the "search" subcommand, and doing two
things to it:

1) Reformat it as a table.
2) Move it to a separate section, and drop a sentence in the "search"
   subcommand pointing to it.

Then, add that same sentence to the "why" subcommand, and to any other
subcommands that have the same single-letter output indicators.

Re:Bonjour; salut_

[lina effong]

Bereits versucht? https://bitly.com/3wXzqLj 



 lina effong😉 

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[tomas]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 01:14:36AM -0600, Jupiter777 wrote:
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.
> 
> I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:
> 
>   Screenshot Saved as /var/log/
> 
> 
> But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Are you using a live distro?

Then /var/log is possibly on a temporary file system: you'd have to
save it (e.g. to another USB stick, to the 'net) before shutting
down.

Or perhaps I've misunderstood you thoroughly.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware

[tomas]

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 05:18:57PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:53:13 +0200
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 12:49:19PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > Anyone can "borrow" open source code, regardless of where it's hosted,
> > > pretty much by definition.
> > 
> > License restrictions apply.
> 
> Of course, but I didn't think that hosting the code on Github gives
> Microsoft more rights over it than if it were hosted somewhere else. Is
> there anything in the Github terms of service that grants Microsoft
> more rights over my code than the terms of the applicable license? And
> if you're assuming that Microsoft won't respect license terms, then
> once again, it won't matter where the code is hosted.

Whether training ML models on GNU GPL software and using their results
in code with an incompatible license (or the whole other way around,
using models trained on proprietary software to inject snippets into
free sowftware [1]) is OK or not is a discussion which is just beginning.
Here are two examples, by Matthew Garrett [2] and Julia Reda [3],
two persons who are known to think hard about free software licenses.

Enjoy :)

[1] Although I have the strong hunch (why, oh, why?) that Microsoft
   will be much more respectful of proprietary licenses than of free
   ones.

[2] https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/57615.html

[3] 
https://juliareda.eu/2021/07/github-copilot-is-not-infringing-your-copyright/


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RE: partial freeze when playing 3D games

[Toni Casueps]

I discarded LXDE as a problem as the same happens with KDE

De: Toni Casueps
Enviado: viernes, 23 de julio de 2021 8:39
Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Asunto: partial freeze when playing 3D games


Hi all,


When running 3D games (video players or 2D games work fine), at a random moment 
the image freezes. If I Alt-Tab out of the game window, as shown in the linked 
video below, the Alt-Tab dialog works and it actually switches to the other 
applications but they can't be seen, only their window borders. I can even do 
Alt+F2, type xterm, the application opens and I can type exit and xterm is 
closed. The only thing I can do is go back to text mode with Ctrl+Alt+F1, log 
in and kill the game process, then go back to Alt-F7 and everything works fine 
with the remaining open applications.


I checked Xorg.0.log and other files in /var/log and dmesg, but there is 
nothing there related to the freeze. How can I further debug this?


System: Debian 11 + LXDE, all updates applied


Linux 5.10.0-8-amd64 SMP


VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation TigerLake GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] 
(rev 01)


https://drive.google.com/file/d/164KJ1zUIgI7oNwIC5V1yhigyLcG1GLA2/view?usp=sharing

Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode?

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 09:23:22AM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote:
> What commands shall I type to find out the location of the directory
> where linux-image-5.10.0-7-amd64.deb is, given the fact that I'm using
> a USB-installer?

$ wget -q 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
$ 7z l /tmp/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso  | grep linux-image
2021-07-21 03:02:23 . 53566832 53566832 
pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-image-5.10.0-8-amd64_5.10.46-2_amd64.deb
2021-07-21 03:02:23 . 1480 1480 
pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-image-amd64_5.10.46-2_amd64.deb

Thus repository directory is /, and l-i directory is
/pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64.


> Do I need to use the --bind argument like
> 
> mount --bind --move olddir newdir

No, you do not need that. A simple --bind will suffice.


> P.S.: I have never been a fan of using man pages because the commands
> contained therein don't provide examples of how to use them properly.

Some of them do, some of them do not. Manual pages are reference, not a 
tutorial.

Reco

Re: location of screenshots during debian install

[Stella Ashburne]

> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 7:14 AM
> From: "Jupiter777" 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: location of screenshots during debian install
>
>
> Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?
>

I'm sorry to ask you but have you googled the internet for answers before 
writing to this mailing list?

Based on my experience in asking for help here, Mr David Wright is the one guy 
who doesn't ask you refer to man pages. He's actually quite nice. There's only 
one guy who can match David in both helpfulness and a being a gentleman. You 
can find him in the OpenBSD forum.

And based on my experience as a beginner of all things Linux, man pages are not 
for those who don't have a foundation in computer science like e. The commands 
contained in them aren't accompanied by examples on how to use them. Sure, a 
brief description is given for each command. However, IMHO, it isn't enough to 
help me.

Best regards.

Stella

Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode?

[Stella Ashburne]

I quote a section of the Debian's man page of mount:

The move operation
Move a mounted tree to another place (atomically). The call is:

mount --move olddir newdir

This will cause the contents which previously appeared under olddir to now be 
accessible under newdir. The physical location of the files is not changed. 
Note that olddir has to be a mountpoint.

What commands shall I type to find out the location of the directory where 
linux-image-5.10.0-7-amd64.deb is, given the fact that I'm using a 
USB-installer?

Do I need to use the --bind argument like

mount --bind --move olddir newdir



P.S.: I have never been a fan of using man pages because the commands contained 
therein don't provide examples of how to use them properly.

location of screenshots during debian install

[Jupiter777]

hello,

I am in the middle of installing buster 10.10.x on my computer.

I see that I can take screenshots as the dialog boxes tell me:

  Screenshot Saved as /var/log/


But /var/log is not on the bootable  usb I am using ...

Where are the screenshots?  I like to  use them for troubleshooting?

thank you