Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)
On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the >> > work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money. >> (...) >> to be able to force the developers to work on what you want them to >> work on, in the way you want them to work on it. I can only ever see >> that happening in situations where you pay much much more for a >> bespoke solution. > > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how to > fix? Hi, not sure at all, but maybe that could be the case, because to know how to fix a problem and to make someone else to work on what you want them to work on in the way you want them to work on it are just two different and independent things. But I really don't know, just guessing. Best regards.
Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 04:17:45PM -0400, Maude Summerside wrote: [...] > Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ? Look. I hate top posting as every other person. Especially in mailing lists, i think it's disruptive for longer threads. But please, try to be polite about it, will you? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:11:51PM +0200, Yvan Masson wrote: > My question is: how cron daemon and mail command know that they should > contact openSMTPd, and how? Do they try by default on localhost:25 or > /run/smtpd.sock? I could not find any clue, nor in cron manpages nor in > mailutils online documentation. mail(1) or mailx(1) or similar utilities run the /usr/sbin/sendmail program to inject a new message into the local MTA. /usr/sbin/sendmail was of course originally provided by the sendmail package. But later MTAs implement a /usr/sbin/sendmail compatible wrapper so that all the utilities that send mail don't have to change.
Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)
On 9/17/22, Maude Summerside wrote: <.. snip ..> > Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ? *plonk*
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen wrote: > I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo? Hi, Karen. It is possible that he didn't know what a screen reader is, or missed its significance. I didn't know what a screen reader is until I looked it up just now. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
How does mailutils "mail" command or cron contact local MTA?
Hi, I have some servers successfully configured to send notification emails, but I do not exactly understand how it works :-) I have installed openSMTPd and configured it to forward email to a relay (another SMTP server, the one from my email provider). I have also set up aliases in `/etc/aliases`. This allows me to send email from my servers, either when cron runs a task, or when I run `echo my_content | mail -s subject root` from scripts. My question is: how cron daemon and mail command know that they should contact openSMTPd, and how? Do they try by default on localhost:25 or /run/smtpd.sock? I could not find any clue, nor in cron manpages nor in mailutils online documentation. Regards, Yvan OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)
On 2022-09-17 11:55, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Given in my first post I *stated was using a screen reader* the sight > factor was stated. > Not that searching for shellworld contributed to my question being > answered, or its solution. > For the record, another company owns shellworld now. Screen reader or not, what don't you understand by STOP TOP POSTING ? -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
Re: question for seasoned links users?
You don't name the screen shot. Screen does that for you. Look for a file called hardcopy with a number suffix at its end. If that file is present and has more than 0 characters in it, you got what screen can do for you. To check screen's work, grep -i username on the file and grep -i password on the file. If you got lucky, both prompts will be in that file. wc -c hardcopy.1 to get the character count of the file. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:03AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Jude, > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > It's possible to run: > > > screen links http://site.com > > > on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot. > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > Just to confirm, > > I can run the screen links site.com command on a single line, navigate to > > the problem, then run the screen shot command? > > How do I name the screenshot for sharing? > > OK. Let's go through this step by step. I have installed links, and I > already had screen installed. > > I ran "screen". > > Inside that, I ran "links http://www.google.com/";. > > Once the main page of Google loaded, I pressed Ctrl-A h > > Screen prompted me for something like a filename, but it seemed to remove > the prompt within a couple seconds, before I could copy it for email > documentation purposes. (I *hate* it when things don't give me time to > read and ponder a question or an error message.) > > Because I didn't respond quickly enough to the prompt, screen assumed an > answer, and generated a file named "hardcopy.0" in the current working > directory. > > unicorn:~$ ls -l hardcopy.0 > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 532 Sep 17 11:39 hardcopy.0 > > If I cat this file, I see a copy of the text that's visible in the > screen window, minus the boldface, reverse video and so on. It's just > the characters. > > Finally, I exited from links, and then from screen. > >
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen wrote: Hello Karen, >You would lose that bet. Yeah, I found that out; I went back through some of your previous messages where you mention that shellworld are a hosting service. I'd forgotten. On the plus side, it would only have been a small bet. A few pennies (or cents, if you prefer) at most. :-) >I imagine that the actual owner, simply has privacy protection on >their registration...I certainly do for all of my domains. As do I. However, there are rules governing who can, and cannot, have such info redacted. The bigger the organisation, the harder it becomes to maintain that privacy. All of which leads me to conclude that shellword is small operation. Of course, that isn't always a bad thing. Anyhow, this is all a distraction from your question, for which I apologise. A question for which I hope the suggested solution works out okay. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" Your life is like a schedule, you run to meet the bills Life Kills - Human League pgpLU5PsoSCFZ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: After some effort, can't change grub screen resolution
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Re: shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)
Given in my first post I *stated was using a screen reader* the sight factor was stated. Not that searching for shellworld contributed to my question being answered, or its solution. For the record, another company owns shellworld now. On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, September 17, 2022 04:28:40 AM David wrote: On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 16:07, Karen Lewellen Every other time when you have asked questions here, I have tried but been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net. A google search for shellworld.net provides hints (I haven't seen a direct description) that shellworld.net does something for blind / visually impaired users. Several hits talk about something named Cobra, and here is the first paragraph describing some of the (braille related) equipment needed to cuse Cobra. from: http://www.shellworld.net/~cobra/equipment.html Equipment Recommended for Use With COBRA There are two types of recommended equipment for use with COBRA. “Essential equipment” includes hardware and software that is vital for allowing instant print-braille compatibility in all subjects, including math, science, and foreign languages, and that permits text entry from both a QWERTY and a braille keyboard, simultaneously if so desired. “Additional equipment recommended” further enhances the student's integration, both at home and at school. -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and references. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Curt wrote: That is not what is conventionally meant by a screenshot, which is a digital image of a computer display. Maybe we should ask Karen what she wants and what she means, specifically, by 'screenshot' before launch. Because if all she wants and needs is a text dump, the goose chase has been unnecessarily wild. Indeed, what i do need is a screenshot. I am documenting something presented when attempting to access a secured area of a site, for that site's owner. They did not realize a username is still required. So, just the text will not show them what the display presents. Jude seems to have provided a method, via screen, to produce such a screenshot. Karen
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:03AM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Jude, > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > It's possible to run: > > screen links http://site.com > > on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot. > > > > > Hi there, > Just to confirm, > I can run the screen links site.com command on a single line, navigate to > the problem, then run the screen shot command? > How do I name the screenshot for sharing? OK. Let's go through this step by step. I have installed links, and I already had screen installed. I ran "screen". Inside that, I ran "links http://www.google.com/";. Once the main page of Google loaded, I pressed Ctrl-A h Screen prompted me for something like a filename, but it seemed to remove the prompt within a couple seconds, before I could copy it for email documentation purposes. (I *hate* it when things don't give me time to read and ponder a question or an error message.) Because I didn't respond quickly enough to the prompt, screen assumed an answer, and generated a file named "hardcopy.0" in the current working directory. unicorn:~$ ls -l hardcopy.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 532 Sep 17 11:39 hardcopy.0 If I cat this file, I see a copy of the text that's visible in the screen window, minus the boldface, reverse video and so on. It's just the characters. Finally, I exited from links, and then from screen.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Brad Rogers wrote: Hello David, Since a whois query comes back with "redacted for privacy" about almost everything, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is the domain's owner. You would lose that bet. Shellworld is a hosting service where I have both a personal shell account, and have my site hosted. I imagine that the actual owner, simply has privacy protection on their registration...I certainly do for all of my domains. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais - The Clash
Re: question for seasoned links users?
Hi again, On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: Screen can be used more effectively than a photo I think. If the hardcopy is successful search for a file called hardcopy.n where n is a number and it should be a larger size than 0. wc -c hardcopy.1 if hardcopy.1 exists would give the number of characters in that file and if that number is greater than 0, you have some or all of your hardcopy available to send. And here is the answer to my finding the file question. would ls -l work as well? thanks, Kare Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote: On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote: Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring. As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I experience using links, the browser. If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that. mick
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote: If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that. mick I supposed you missed the I am using a screen reader memo? smiles, Kare
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On 2022-09-17, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: >> >> http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subsubch-save_as > > But if you try it, you'll see that saves the page as HTML, not as a > snapshot of the displayed text. What 'displayed text'? She asked for a *screenshot*. >> Save as >> Stores the currently displayed page into a file. A dialog for >> entering the filename will appear after calling this function. The >> page will be saved under this filename. If the file already exists, >> it will be overwritten. >> >> Save URL as >> Works like the previous function, with the difference that you will >> be first asked for the URL of a page to download, and then for a >> filename to store the page into. After both have been entered, the >> page will be downloaded and saved. >> >> Then, of course, there's the man page: >> >> -dump [0|1] (default: 0) >> Print formatted plain-text versions of given URLs to stdout. >> -dump-charset (alias for document.dump.codepage) >> Codepage used when formatting dump output. >> -dump-color-mode (alias for document.dump.color_mode) >> Color mode used with -dump. >> -dump-width (alias for document.dump.width) >> Width of the dump output. >> >> https://linux.die.net/man/1/links > > And that of course helpfully points out at the top that its describing > the behaviour of elinks rather than link itself. So what? >> Good luck. >> > > --
Re: question for seasoned links users?
Jude, On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: It's possible to run: screen links http://site.com on a single line then control+a-h to get the screen shot. Hi there, Just to confirm, I can run the screen links site.com command on a single line, navigate to the problem, then run the screen shot command? How do I name the screenshot for sharing? Thanks so much, Karen On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote: Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring. As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I experience using links, the browser. I know a great deal about running this browser, but have never needed to capture information for someone else, who relies on sight, instead of speech. If there is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them. On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote: Hi Karen When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser documented at: http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21. Is that what you are asking about? If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots, but they look like they are all created outside of links itself. When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did not notice any mention of screenshots. It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of exactly what you are asking. For example... The 'links' software can be run either: 1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface) 2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI 3) in a Linux console using a text UI Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are using. If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current window to a file", although I have not tested it. 'screen' is packaged for Debian. Are you using Debian? Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as I asked in my opening question. Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you provide the information requested. I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
> On 2022-09-17, David wrote: > > > > The documentation website for 'links' is at: > > http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html > > > > and says: > > "You will find here a complete guide for using the Links web > > browser" > > > > and it contains nothing at all about a '-dump' option. > > http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subsubch-save_as But if you try it, you'll see that saves the page as HTML, not as a snapshot of the displayed text. > Save as > Stores the currently displayed page into a file. A dialog for > entering the filename will appear after calling this function. The > page will be saved under this filename. If the file already exists, > it will be overwritten. > > Save URL as > Works like the previous function, with the difference that you will > be first asked for the URL of a page to download, and then for a > filename to store the page into. After both have been entered, the > page will be downloaded and saved. > > Then, of course, there's the man page: > > -dump [0|1] (default: 0) > Print formatted plain-text versions of given URLs to stdout. > -dump-charset (alias for document.dump.codepage) > Codepage used when formatting dump output. > -dump-color-mode (alias for document.dump.color_mode) > Color mode used with -dump. > -dump-width (alias for document.dump.width) > Width of the dump output. > > https://linux.die.net/man/1/links And that of course helpfully points out at the top that its describing the behaviour of elinks rather than link itself. > Good luck. >
Re: Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please?
Hi Andy, Thank you for your reply. Below are the names of packages that need to be backported for Debian's Bullseye: firmware-amd-graphics firmware-intel-sound firmware-iwlwifi firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree firmware-realtek Many Debian users have machines that sport the latest Intel 12th generation CPUs with Intel Iris Xe graphics and Intel AX211 wireless chipsets that are capable of WiFi 6e. The current backported versions for Bullseye are more than 18 months' old. Now is the time for maintainers to backport the latest non-free drivers in preparation for the soft freeze of Debian 12, codenamed Bookworm. Best regards. Leroy From: Andy Smith Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 9:43 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please? Hi Leroy, On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 07:43:45AM +, Leroy McFarland wrote: > The non-free drivers in Bullseye's repos are dated 20210315, more than a year > ago. What is the package name that you are looking at within non-free? Once you've worked that out, the next step is probably to report a bug against the package with "wishlist" severity. Unless the lack of a newer version is causing something to break, rather than just resulting in newer functionality being missing, in which case a higher severity might be appropriate. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please?
Hi Leroy, On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 07:43:45AM +, Leroy McFarland wrote: > The non-free drivers in Bullseye's repos are dated 20210315, more than a year > ago. What is the package name that you are looking at within non-free? Once you've worked that out, the next step is probably to report a bug against the package with "wishlist" severity. Unless the lack of a newer version is causing something to break, rather than just resulting in newer functionality being missing, in which case a higher severity might be appropriate. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On 2022-09-17, David wrote: > > The documentation website for 'links' is at: > http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html > > and says: > "You will find here a complete guide for using the Links web browser" > > and it contains nothing at all about a '-dump' option. http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html#subsubch-save_as Save as Stores the currently displayed page into a file. A dialog for entering the filename will appear after calling this function. The page will be saved under this filename. If the file already exists, it will be overwritten. Save URL as Works like the previous function, with the difference that you will be first asked for the URL of a page to download, and then for a filename to store the page into. After both have been entered, the page will be downloaded and saved. Then, of course, there's the man page: -dump [0|1] (default: 0) Print formatted plain-text versions of given URLs to stdout. -dump-charset (alias for document.dump.codepage) Codepage used when formatting dump output. -dump-color-mode (alias for document.dump.color_mode) Color mode used with -dump. -dump-width (alias for document.dump.width) Width of the dump output. https://linux.die.net/man/1/links Good luck.
shellworld.net (for visually impaired users), (was: Re: question for seasoned links users?)
On Saturday, September 17, 2022 04:28:40 AM David wrote: > On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 16:07, Karen Lewellen > Every other time when you have asked questions here, I have tried but > been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net. A google search for shellworld.net provides hints (I haven't seen a direct description) that shellworld.net does something for blind / visually impaired users. Several hits talk about something named Cobra, and here is the first paragraph describing some of the (braille related) equipment needed to cuse Cobra. from: http://www.shellworld.net/~cobra/equipment.html Equipment Recommended for Use With COBRA There are two types of recommended equipment for use with COBRA. “Essential equipment” includes hardware and software that is vital for allowing instant print-braille compatibility in all subjects, including math, science, and foreign languages, and that permits text entry from both a QWERTY and a braille keyboard, simultaneously if so desired. “Additional equipment recommended” further enhances the student's integration, both at home and at school. -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and references. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 04:03:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > I do not understand why you do not simply use the button on your computer > keyboard; if you cannot easily use a Take Screenshot application within > whatever operating system you are using to view the web page, on a standard > 101 key USA format keyboard, in the top row of keys, above the arrow keys, > is a key with ""PrtScr" on it. Press that, and see what happens, and, reply, > stating whether that produces the result that you want. She would have to be in a Desktop Environment (e.g. GNOME or LXDE), or something similar, in order for that to work. She refuses to tell us *what* her local operating environment is. We don't even know whether she's using Debian at any point in the chain, either locally or remotely. For all we know, she might be running Windows locally and using PuTTY to ssh to her "shell service", where she runs links. Or she could be using the Linux console, without X or Wayland, locally. Or anything else. I don't know why she won't just tell us. It would greatly simplify everything.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 21:38, Curt wrote: > On 2022-09-17, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > links does have the facility to dump the text to an output file. > > That is not what is conventionally meant by a screenshot, which is a > digital image of a computer display. Maybe we should ask Karen what she wants > and what she means, specifically, by 'screenshot' before launch. > > Because if all she wants and needs is a text dump, the goose chase has > been unnecessarily wild. Guessing games are hard. Regarding "unnecessarily" ... The documentation website for 'links' is at: http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html and says: "You will find here a complete guide for using the Links web browser" and it contains nothing at all about a '-dump' option. In the absence of Karen advising what OS her Links is running in, I doubted the wisdom of relying on a Linux manpage. In the absence of Karen advising what OS her screen output device is running in, we're not able to advise how she could use that to screen capture, either. I sincerely hope she can dump to a file on her shell account. And then we can go back to talking about Debian.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
Karen Lewellen wrote: > I suppose you are suggesting that links, the browser I am actually using, > works like Firefox, the browser to which I have no access whatsoever? No, I'm missing the context of your subject line in your message body. My mistake. -dsr-
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On 2022-09-17, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > links does have the facility to dump the text to an output file. That is not what is conventionally meant by a screenshot, which is a digital image of a computer display. Maybe we should ask Karen what she wants and what she means, specifically, by 'screenshot' before launch. Because if all she wants and needs is a text dump, the goose chase has been unnecessarily wild.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:51:16PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > Does the browser have the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion? > Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even if > my screen reader presents it differently. > Thanks, > Karen > > Hi Karen, If I'm right, you have a visual impairment and you're relying on a screen reader: you're the person who was also asking about reverse engineering a DOS program a couple of weeks back, who is using WordPerfect and a Kurzweil screen reading program? I don't use links, though I have installed it to check. I normally use elinks which is similarly capable. There's also lynx and w3m available all of which will work in a console. I'm assuming you don't have a GUI, have no use for a graphical browser - much of the advice from sighted users may not be exactly relevant. links does have the facility to dump the text to an output file. You can force a dump of the page source, of the page as text (which is close to what the screen reader will parse and includes alt-text for images) I'll use the BBC home page as an example because it should be well-formed HTML, should have alt-text and be semantically correct : links https://www.bbc.co.uk -dump > BBCfile The -dump writes it to stdout (the output device, normally the screen) The > character redirects the output to a filename, here BBCfile This command produces the formatted text output. links https://www.bbc.co.uk -dump -force-html > BBChtml This is the HTML - it may not include alt-text comments and some styling links https://www.bbc.co.uk -source > BBCsource This is the whole thing, HTML, CSS, no formatting just a stream of data. [It reads like robot vomit]. The first one should give a text file output of the web page which should be readily understandable. As far as the other browsers go, elinks is a later version forked from links which seems to have more advanced document dumping commands. I only really read the man page but could try more for you if you wish, since I often use elinks to test pages in text mode. If you run any of these commands to output to a file, then you can just mail the file to someone. I hope this helps - happy to help with more if I can (my day job involves me in accessibility and screen reader compatibility is very much in my future :) ) With every good wish, as ever, Andy Cater
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 19:21, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 18:28:40 +1000 David wrote: > >been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net. > >If you could provide a link to any documentation or information > >about shellworld.net, > > Since a whois query comes back with "redacted for privacy" about almost > everything, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is the domain's > owner. Hi Brad A ddg search for '@shellworld.net' reveals what look like multiple user names. In fact a couple of names I even recognise as Debian users who participate here. So perhaps one of those folks might be able to give us a technical description of exactly what shellworld.net is, and what facilities it offers to its users.
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 18:28:40 +1000 David wrote: Hello David, >been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net. >If you could provide a link to any documentation or information >about shellworld.net, Since a whois query comes back with "redacted for privacy" about almost everything, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the OP is the domain's owner. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais - The Clash pgpCywPAIQEIT.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 16:07, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi Karen > While I respect those questions, they are not relevant to my question, This belief of yours is incorrect. > as > It am asking specifically for a command associated with the Links browser. We understand that. The Links browser does not appear to have such a command, either in the documentation or in versions that we have access to. So we are attempting to think of other ways to achieve your goal. > I am using a shell service, I cannot use Debian directly. One big obstacle is that we don't know what you mean by the words 'shell service'. Every other time when you have asked questions here, I have tried but been unable to find any information at all about shellworld.net. If you could provide a link to any documentation or information about shellworld.net, that would be helpful. We just don't know what you are talking about, until you give us more information. If by 'shell service' you mean that you can run only sotware provided by a third party, why don't you direct your question to them? Because we don't know anything about what they provide. Another alternative approach would be for you to describe your problem, so that one of us could use links to visit the website that you are having trouble with, and make a screenshot for you, and email it to you. We are helpful people. But, you have to help us to help you. > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 12:51, Karen Lewellen > > wrote: > > > >> Does the browser have the ability to create a screenshot after a fashion? > >> Need to document something for a site owner that will show for them, even > >> if my screen reader presents it differently. > > > > Hi Karen, > > > > So that we can help you effectively, please tell us exactly what > > hardware and software you are using. > > What version of Debian are you using? > > If you are you using any software that is not provided by Debian > > then please tell us exactly what that is too. > > > > Thanks.
Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?
On Friday, 16 September 2022 13:25:06 CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: I did find this paragraph in systemd.exec(5): me, too. if i run into a problem, the first thing i do is to read. and, yes: i do read even man pages! ;) Maybe you can find a workaround there, and/or contribute your workaround when you file your bug report. i did, see my initial post. and since the issue is known, as it seems to be fixed in bookworm, i don't see any reason to file a bug. Personally, I've never configured sshd to use socket activation, nor do I see any advantage in doing so. me neither, hence my irritation. and i now deactivated socket activation and went back to the good old daemon. yes, we all have our daemons! ;) i just had a problem with ssh(d), and i wanted to know what caused it. now that i know, i can sleep a lot better. :) Back in the old days, [...] yeah, i miss them, too... sometimes... greetings...
Re: sshd package systemd misconfiguration?
On Friday, 16 September 2022 14:10:01 CEST, Frank wrote: Apparently this has already been 'fixed' for bookworm. [...] so, this issue is known and 'they' did something about it. Maybe file a bug report to have this added for bullseye? since this issue is known, 'they' should be aware of it, too... greetings...
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On 17/9/22 14:20, Karen Lewellen wrote: Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring. As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I experience using links, the browser. I know a great deal about running this browser, but have never needed to capture information for someone else, who relies on sight, instead of speech. If there is not a clear screenshot command, then perhaps the trace file generated by lynx the cat, another browser, will help them. On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, David wrote: Hi Karen When you refer to 'links' in the subject, do you mean the browser documented at: http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html The version of this browser in Debian stable is 2.21. Is that what you are asking about? If I look at the website of that project, it does have some screenshots, but they look like they are all created outside of links itself. When I read through the above documentation trying to help you, I did not notice any mention of screenshots. It is difficult to help you further without a more specific description of exactly what you are asking. For example... The 'links' software can be run either: 1) natively in a GUI (graphical user interface) 2) in a virtual terminal running in a GUI 3) in a Linux console using a text UI Screenshots can be made in any of those situations, but the method of taking a screenshot will depend on which of those user interfaces you are using. If using #3, I would try running 'links' inside 'screen', which according to its manpage offers a keystroke to "write a hardcopy of the current window to a file", although I have not tested it. 'screen' is packaged for Debian. Are you using Debian? Similar comments might apply if you mean something different by 'links', as I asked in my opening question. Further assistance or more specific guidance might be possible if you provide the information requested. I remain hopeful that you will reply to my previous message. I do not understand why you do not simply use the button on your computer keyboard; if you cannot easily use a Take Screenshot application within whatever operating system you are using to view the web page, on a standard 101 key USA format keyboard, in the top row of keys, above the arrow keys, is a key with ""PrtScr" on it. Press that, and see what happens, and, reply, stating whether that produces the result that you want. If you are not using a standard 101 key USA format keyboard, examine the keys on your keyboard, and look for a key that has the label "PrtScr" or "Print Screen", and, try that. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: question for seasoned links users?
Screen can be used more effectively than a photo I think. If the hardcopy is successful search for a file called hardcopy.n where n is a number and it should be a larger size than 0. wc -c hardcopy.1 if hardcopy.1 exists would give the number of characters in that file and if that number is greater than 0, you have some or all of your hardcopy available to send. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, mick.crane wrote: > On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring. > > As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, > > that I experience using links, the browser. > > If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that. > > mick > >
Request: Could the maintainers update the non-free drivers please?
Hi The non-free drivers in Bullseye's repos are dated 20210315, more than a year ago. Could the maintainers build a backport that contains 20220815 or 20220913 drivers please? Thanks. Leroy
Re: question for seasoned links users?
On 2022-09-17 07:20, Karen Lewellen wrote: Yes, links is the browser to which I am referring. As stated, I am attempting to help a site owner troubleshoot an issue, that I experience using links, the browser. If it's a one off thing take a photo and send that. mick
