Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 02/12/2023 02:24, gene heskett wrote: On 12/1/23 10:27, Max Nikulin wrote: so I have to repeat it. You *do* *not* have NetworkManager installed hence it can not overwrite files. What particular *evidences* do you have that namely NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces? I am not interested in you *speculations*. [...] I do not know the mechanism by which my addition and deletions were done during boot, I had added the correct data to put eth0 at 192.168.71.100 in /e/n/i, and had deleted the line saying it was managed by networkmanager. The evidence I have is that the original file was restored, has only lo and the line giving credit to networkmanager was restored, my additions were gone. Based on the evidence I can see, what else am I supposed to think? The only problem is that neither upstream sources nor debian patches in buster or bookworm contain the "Network is managed" text as in (from an earlier message): root@mkspi:/# cat /etc/network/interfaces source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* # Network is managed by Network manager<-this line I had removed auto lo iface lo inet loopback So ask the 3d printer vendor why you see this misleading line and why ifupdown and NetworkManager are broken. I had a hope that you would at least check list of processes, systemd units, init scripts for something suspicious. Instead I still see speculations again and attempts to blame NetworkManager developers for no reason. Have you tried some online translator to guess meaning of the following? Jan 02 02:56:20 mkspi bash[1443]: 已获取到了扫描的结果 Jan 02 02:56:20 mkspi bash[1443]: [Dec 10 2022][15:22:28] /root/xindi/src/mks_wpa_cli.cpp: 416 Jan 02 02:56:20 mkspi bash[1443]: 收到wpa回调信息: Jan 02 02:56:20 mkspi bash[1443]: WPS-AP-AVAILABLE Have you find files containing these messages?
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
On 12/2/23, Tom Furie wrote:
> 'apt depends ' would list the direct dependencies without
> recursion.
Thank you, I think I got what I needed (at least for now).
$ apt depends wget
wget
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.28)
Depends: libgnutls30 (>= 3.7.0)
Depends: libidn2-0 (>= 0.6)
Depends: libnettle8
Depends: libpcre2-8-0 (>= 10.22)
Depends: libpsl5 (>= 0.16.0)
Depends: libuuid1 (>= 2.16)
Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
Conflicts:
Recommends: ca-certificates
$
$ apt depends wget 2>&1 | grep " Depends: " | awk '{ print $2}'
libc6
libgnutls30
libidn2-0
libnettle8
libpcre2-8-0
libpsl5
libuuid1
zlib1g
$
On 12/2/23, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 10:01:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
>> That requires you to be online, aka "exposed mode". The OP only
>> exposes a live USB to the outside world, not their "real" system.
>
> If the OP doesn't have a same-release, same-architecture connected
> system to use for this purpose, then I don't have an answer. I don't
> deal with this stone-age crap any longer, and I am unable to express
> how *happy* I am that this is the case.
At times *being* and *keeping moving* is entirely fine, you don't
have to be *happy* and I am not sure if I am living in the stone-age
or the brave new world in which we are living these days. One thing is
sure, I can't be naive about any of it.
I do have the "same-release, same-architecture connected system" I
just want to make as sure (among other things meaning -on a hardware
level-), as I possibly could that, by simply rebooting a live DVD you
can "switch" (as it were) from one to the other.
As a simple matter of economy (I use almost exclusively amd64 based
hardware), I am trying to streamline a way of:
a) booting a live Deb Linux from a DVD (which, physically, you can't
write onto)
b) running a short script with an array of utility packages which are
not part of §a's install base preferably from a pen drive or a
subdirectory of a hard drive you could mount
then you would:
1) boot up
2) (from the USB pen drive) run §b's dpkg-based script
3) install the extra stuff you need including Selenium-automation
versions of firefox (gecko) and brave (chromium)
~
4) go into "exposed mode": setup networking, macchanger (I know in my
case it is silly, but I do it anyway), ...
...
after going about the exposed-mode tests you need to and all
etceteras you had to check out online
~
(n-2)) disconnect yourself from the internet (software + hardware by
removing the wifi USB dongle or cable) ...
(n-1)) optionally, run script to check which files were changed
during your run and how
n) shutdown
Some of you have suggested using apt-clone and apt-move, but I think
this is a simpler way to solve what you see as an XY problem and it
doesn't really matter if you use a "different", "newer" version of Deb
Linux. Most probably all of this is plain nonsense to all of you, but
I have no other way to work. They are even using "AI" to mess with
people they target and it doesn't matter if they know well (which they
have actually told me) that you are not a criminally minded dude, a
threat to society, ... and they are quite literally
watching/monitoring you 24x7.
lbrtchx
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > install. I need to download those packages. > These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. > lbrtchx I /think/ this hack might involve iterations until you hit a fixed point. See -- package dependencies are listed in the package itself, so you know your original package's direct dependencies. Off you go, download those, look into those packages, find the dependencies... and off you go, download the dependencies's dependencies. Until you reach the fixed point. There's one package, apt-cache, which can look at a pre-made complete dependencies's network. But to update that database you have to be online... Sounds like quite the fun. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing List
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:39:51PM +, piorunz wrote: > On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) > > > > Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have > > the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header). > > > > Cheers > > Oh, ok, I didn't know that. That's why the group receives so much spam > lol -_- I think this is unfair: given the list's volume (~3k members, ~0.5k posts per month) I find spam ratio to be no less than stellar. I'm sure there is quite a bit of quiet work behind the scenes to keep things running *that* smoothly. Keeping the list open to non-subscribers goes a long way of making Debian itself open, so I understand and support that decision. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:47PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:18:13PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines: > > > > > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private > > > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following > > > > > > Have a nice day :) > > > > Thomas > > > > OK, you know how it is when you only notice the mistake *after* you've > posted it ... I'm unsure whether to republish this with an additional > line > > * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes > and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. :-) Thanks you both (& so many others!) for shining steady lights here. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Non-delivery reports from postmas...@ewetel.de
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:21 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > Is anyone else receiving non-delivery report emails from > postmas...@ewetel.de for every email they post to debian-user? They > look like this: > > From: postmas...@ewetel.de > To: a...@strugglers.net > Subject: E-Mail Abweisungsbenachrichtigung / email bounce notification > > It goes on to state that the message wasn't delivered because the > recipient's mailbox is full. > > I've received one for every email I've sent to debian-user over the > last 4 days. Anyone else? If so, can you let > listmas...@lists.debian.org know? > > Naturally, ewetel.de should be rejecting these messages inside the > SMTP connection if they can't be delivered to their user. > > Failing that, they should be sending NDRs to the envelope sender, > which is the Debian mailing list software, which would then take > care of unsubscribing the undeliverable address. > > It seems to have done the very broken thing of sending an NDR to the > from address. If that assessment is correct, Debian listmasters will > need to disable delivery to this subscriber manually. > > But, possibly whatever problem it was has fixed itself by now. If > ewetel were ALSO sending an NDR to the envelope sender then the > subscriber would have been disabled eventually. I have not received a NDR for this user. I think I have used debian-user recently enough that I might encounter one. When I receive multiple NDRs like that, I forward it to the mailing list administrator (along with the original message), and ask the user to be removed from the list. The user can re-subscribe once they clear up their issues. The list administrator can be reached via . Jeff
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 10:01:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 21:55:42 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > apt install ./myfile.deb > > That requires you to be online, aka "exposed mode". The OP only > exposes a live USB to the outside world, not their "real" system. > > I dimly recollect something called apt-move, but I never needed > to use it. Back in the days of dial-up, when I had a real job, > I would upgrade my desk's tower, copy the (uncleaned) archives/ > directory onto a Zip drive, take it home and install the .debs > onto my home desktop, configured identically, with dpkg. In that case, use apt-get instead of apt. That way the downloaded .deb files will not be removed afterward. Then you can just sweep 'em up from /var/cache/apt/archives, copy them to a stack of floppies, put the floppies in a box, tie the box to a trained ferret, send the ferret across town If the OP doesn't have a same-release, same-architecture connected system to use for this purpose, then I don't have an answer. I don't deal with this stone-age crap any longer, and I am unable to express how *happy* I am that this is the case.
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 21:55:42 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > > install. I need to download those packages. > > These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. > > I'm still struggling to figure out what the X is in this gigantic X-Y > problem. > > Do you have a .deb file, and you want to install it, along with all of > its dependencies? If that's the X, then you do this: > > apt install ./myfile.deb > > That's it. [In view of the time of day:] That requires you to be online, aka "exposed mode". The OP only exposes a live USB to the outside world, not their "real" system. I dimly recollect something called apt-move, but I never needed to use it. Back in the days of dial-up, when I had a real job, I would upgrade my desk's tower, copy the (uncleaned) archives/ directory onto a Zip drive, take it home and install the .debs onto my home desktop, configured identically, with dpkg. Cheers, David.
Re: Could/should you set Dir::Cache::{pkgcache, srcpkgcache} = ""; if all you are doing is locally downloading dependencies of an installation package?
On Sat 02 Dec 2023 at 02:10:48 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> On 11/30/23, David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 30 Nov 2023 at 21:05:38 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> >> I also notice repeated copies of {src-, pkgcache}.bin files for each
> >> downloaded package even though I am downloading them to specific
> >> subdirectories in order to then install them using dpkg.
> >> Do you really need those binaries and cache instructions if you are
> >> just downloading the installation dependencies? How do you remove,
> >> disregard those kinds of caching strategies in a graceful way?
> >
> > Perhaps you could elaborate on the commands you're running.
>
> I am using apt-rdepends --follow=Depends
>
> to download all dependencies into a subdirectory for each package
> then I notice the same files: srcpkgcache.bin et pkgcache.bin in every
> subdirectory.
Obviously I'm trying to replicate what you do. In case it matters,
my bullseye system has package acl installed, but not acl2. (Despite
their names, they're unrelated.)
$ mkdir temp/rdepends ; cd $_
~/temp/rdepends$ apt-rdepends --follow=Depends acl
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
acl
Depends: libacl1 (= 2.2.53-10)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
libacl1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
libc6
Depends: libcrypt1
Depends: libgcc-s1
libcrypt1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.25)
libgcc-s1
Depends: gcc-10-base (= 10.2.1-6)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
gcc-10-base
~/temp/rdepends$ apt-rdepends --follow=Depends acl2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
acl2
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.29)
Depends: libgmp10
Depends: libreadline8 (>= 6.0)
Depends: libx11-6
libc6
Depends: libcrypt1
Depends: libgcc-s1
libcrypt1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.25)
libgcc-s1
Depends: gcc-10-base (= 10.2.1-6)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
gcc-10-base
libgmp10
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
libreadline8
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15)
Depends: libtinfo6 (>= 6)
Depends: readline-common
libtinfo6
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.16)
readline-common
Depends: dpkg (>= 1.15.4)
Depends: install-info
dpkg
Depends: tar (>= 1.28-1)
PreDepends: libbz2-1.0
PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.15)
PreDepends: liblzma5 (>= 5.2.2)
PreDepends: libselinux1 (>= 3.1~)
PreDepends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
tar
PreDepends: libacl1 (>= 2.2.23)
PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.28)
PreDepends: libselinux1 (>= 3.1~)
install-info
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
PreDepends: dpkg (>= 1.16.1)
libx11-6
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.26)
Depends: libx11-data
Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.11.1)
libx11-data
libxcb1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
Depends: libxau6 (>= 1:1.0.9)
Depends: libxdmcp6
libxau6
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4)
libxdmcp6
Depends: libbsd0 (>= 0.2.0)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4)
libbsd0
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.25)
Depends: libmd0 (>= 1.0.3-2)
libmd0
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
~/temp/rdepends$ ls -l
total 0
~/temp/rdepends$ ls -lR /var/cache/apt
/var/cache/apt:
total 69352
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root57344 Dec 1 19:46 archives
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35492253 Dec 1 21:00 pkgcache.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35451043 Dec 1 21:00 srcpkgcache.bin
/var/cache/apt/archives:
total 4
-rw-r- 1 root root0 Apr 16 2022 lock
drwx-- 2 _apt root 4096 Dec 1 15:00 partial
ls: cannot open directory '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial': Permission denied
~/temp/rdepends$
/var/cache/apt/archives/partial was used at 3pm when libnghttp2-14
was downloaded. The {src,}pkgcache.bin files were created when the
9pm update took place. I see no extra .bin files.
Presumably you're running more commands than you revealed above?
Cheers,
David.
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
Albretch Mueller writes: > How can you list just the direct dependencies? and how safe is it > downloading and installing only those via dpkg? 'apt depends ' would list the direct dependencies without recursion. Why do you want to download them individually and install directly with dpkg when apt can handle it all cleanly? Whatever it is you're trying to do, this feels like the wrong way to go about it... Cheers, Tom
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 02:52:25AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, > install. I need to download those packages. > These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. I'm still struggling to figure out what the X is in this gigantic X-Y problem. Do you have a .deb file, and you want to install it, along with all of its dependencies? If that's the X, then you do this: apt install ./myfile.deb That's it.
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
direct dependencies of packages which haven't been downloaded, install. I need to download those packages. These should be a straightforward way to do that or an easy hack. lbrtchx
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
On 12/2/23, Tom Furie wrote: ... > This is a recursive search, also showing dependencies of dependencies, > etc. How can you list just the direct dependencies? and how safe is it downloading and installing only those via dpkg? lbrtchx
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > Like I said, boring. Not boring at all. I assume that you also have a desktop or laptop on that network? If I was running it I would *definitely* be using DHCP. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
Albretch Mueller writes: > https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/wget > > shows 8 packages as "depends" > > dep: libc6 (>= 2.28) > dep: libgnutls30 (>= 3.7.0) > dep: libidn2-0 (>= 0.6) > dep: libnettle8 > dep: libpcre2-8-0 (>= 10.22) > dep: libpsl5 (>= 0.16.0) > dep: libuuid1 (>= 2.16) > dep: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) These are direct dependencies. > vs. 17 using apt-rdepends --follow=Depends: > > $ apt-rdepends --follow=Depends "wget" | grep --invert-match ^\ > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > Reading state information... Done > wget > libc6 > libcrypt1 > libgcc-s1 > gcc-10-base > libgnutls30 > libgmp10 > libhogweed6 > libnettle8 > libidn2-0 > libunistring2 > libp11-kit0 > libffi7 > libtasn1-6 > libpcre2-8-0 > libpsl5 > libuuid1 > zlib1g This is a recursive search, also showing dependencies of dependencies, etc. Cheers, Tom
Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4
On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote: When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to download the file, or play it with an external application. ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date. Can it be made to work? I have not exactly the same problem but video related. 115.3.0 esr can play videos mostly OK but after an extended period of time (say a day or so) the video controls become sluggish and the CPU goes through the roof. I have to completely kill all processes including the video container processes before it can be restarted and run normally.
Re: Could/should you set Dir::Cache::{pkgcache, srcpkgcache} = ""; if all you are doing is locally downloading dependencies of an installation package?
On 11/30/23, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 30 Nov 2023 at 21:05:38 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote:
>> I also notice repeated copies of {src-, pkgcache}.bin files for each
>> downloaded package even though I am downloading them to specific
>> subdirectories in order to then install them using dpkg.
>> Do you really need those binaries and cache instructions if you are
>> just downloading the installation dependencies? How do you remove,
>> disregard those kinds of caching strategies in a graceful way?
>
> Perhaps you could elaborate on the commands you're running.
I am using apt-rdepends --follow=Depends
to download all dependencies into a subdirectory for each package
then I notice the same files: srcpkgcache.bin et pkgcache.bin in every
subdirectory.
> BTW could you not write part of your post in the Subject line
I understand, It won't happen again
lbrtchx
packages listed vs. apt-rdepends --follow=Depends ...
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/wget shows 8 packages as "depends" dep: libc6 (>= 2.28) dep: libgnutls30 (>= 3.7.0) dep: libidn2-0 (>= 0.6) dep: libnettle8 dep: libpcre2-8-0 (>= 10.22) dep: libpsl5 (>= 0.16.0) dep: libuuid1 (>= 2.16) dep: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) ~ vs. 17 using apt-rdepends --follow=Depends: $ apt-rdepends --follow=Depends "wget" | grep --invert-match ^\ Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done wget libc6 libcrypt1 libgcc-s1 gcc-10-base libgnutls30 libgmp10 libhogweed6 libnettle8 libidn2-0 libunistring2 libp11-kit0 libffi7 libtasn1-6 libpcre2-8-0 libpsl5 libuuid1 zlib1g ~ these packages weren't listed on packages.debian.org: libcrypt1 libgcc-s1 gcc-10-base libgmp10 libhogweed6 libunistring2 libp11-kit0 libffi7 libtasn1-6 ~ why? and which list should one trust (more)? lbrtchx
Stuck in signing modules - DKSM
Hello everyone, I am trying to follow the Debian's wiki about Secure Boot: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot I've been able to carry out most of this one, from generating modules to enrolling in the MOK cert, but it doesn't work the signing of the modules as per the steps. The only irregular scenario is when I run the command line: $ sudo update-initramfs -k all -u Wherein it shows multiple outputs as follows: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/.../FileName.bin for module nouveau I've googled the multiple scenarios, but I don't find any hint that can help me with my issue. It seems that the modules cannot be signed because of that reason. My motivation to work with it is to install the firmware for wifi module RTL8821AU for a tp-link Archer T2U Plus that I found in the following github repository: https://github.com/morrownr/8821au-20210708 As an observation, entering in the following folder: MODULES_DIR=/lib/modules/$VERSION I can't find the following folder $MODULES_DIR/updates/dkms that tutorial says DKMS puts the signed modules in that folder. Also, I can see the following: $ sudo dkms status rtl8821au, 5.12.5.2: added $ sudo modinfo rtl8821au modinfo: ERROR: Module rtl8821au not found. That doesn't make sense for me, why the module is added but it's not registered by the command modinfo. I would like to ask you what I can do to solve my issue. Do you have any hint to let me solve it?
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 23:21:05 +0700 Max Nikulin wrote: > As to a GPS receiver, it should be doable and 169.254.x.y addresses > will not be an issue any more. Be careful with cables when connecting > it however: https://www.wired.com/2012/02/neutrinos-faulty-cable/ And there is plenty of expertise on the gpsd email list. But I would start with the web site, including the how-to on setting up a time server. https://gpsd.io https://gpsd.io/gpsd-time-service-howto.html -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Non-delivery reports from postmas...@ewetel.de
Hi, Is anyone else receiving non-delivery report emails from postmas...@ewetel.de for every email they post to debian-user? They look like this: From: postmas...@ewetel.de To: a...@strugglers.net Subject: E-Mail Abweisungsbenachrichtigung / email bounce notification It goes on to state that the message wasn't delivered because the recipient's mailbox is full. I've received one for every email I've sent to debian-user over the last 4 days. Anyone else? If so, can you let listmas...@lists.debian.org know? Naturally, ewetel.de should be rejecting these messages inside the SMTP connection if they can't be delivered to their user. Failing that, they should be sending NDRs to the envelope sender, which is the Debian mailing list software, which would then take care of unsubscribing the undeliverable address. It seems to have done the very broken thing of sending an NDR to the from address. If that assessment is correct, Debian listmasters will need to disable delivery to this subscriber manually. But, possibly whatever problem it was has fixed itself by now. If ewetel were ALSO sending an NDR to the envelope sender then the subscriber would have been disabled eventually. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4
On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote: When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to download the file, or play it with an external application. ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date. Can it be made to work? Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on the way t6o describing the problem... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 04:57:25PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > root@mkspi:/etc# ls -ld /etc/network/interfaces > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 106 Jul 24 19:10 /etc/network/interfaces OK. Now we have something to work with, at least. > date > Tue 03 Jan 2023 06:44:56 AM PST > The clock is apparently restarted from midnight 12/1/2022 at every reboot. > This overwrite was done that way as soon as I could login at the old address > with ssh so I have to say it was done by network start time in the bootup > from a 10 second power down. All right, then. Let's see if I have everything straight. At some point in the recent past, you edited /e/n/i. Then you rebooted, an undetermined amount of time later, and after the reboot, the file had been restored to the state shown above. Yes? If we assume the file wasn't changed *prior* to the reboot, then something in the operating system startup must be overwriting this file. If your assertion about the clock being set to 2022-12-01 each boot is correct, then the timestamp on the file is *not* coming from the system clock. It's probably coming from whatever "gold copy" of the file is being restored during startup. There are *lots* of ways a file could be copied and retain the mtime of the original file. "cp -a" is one of them. unicorn:~$ cp -a .bashrc copy-of-bashrc; ls -lad .bashrc copy-of-bashrc; date -rwxr-xr-x 1 greg greg 3329 Nov 12 08:28 .bashrc* -rwxr-xr-x 1 greg greg 3329 Nov 12 08:28 copy-of-bashrc* Fri Dec 1 17:05:52 EST 2023 unicorn:~$ Of course there are many others. Extracting a .tar.gz archive, for example, is another way to do it. You could look through the system startup stuff, wherever that is on this operating system, and see if you find anything about restoring factory default configuration files. If you can't find it, the people who support this operating system might be able to tell you exactly what's happening, and why. You really ought to talk to them. As a side note, copying a "gold standard" /e/n/i file which happens to contain a comment *saying* that it's from Network Manager would retain that comment, possibly leading to some confusion. One might argue that the OS vendor should have replaced the comment with something more accurate. (E.g. "This interfaces file is copied from to /etc/network at boot time. Do not edit this file in /etc/network. If you need to modify it, edit it in instead, but you do so at your own risk.") That's another thing you could talk to the OS support people about, assuming my guesswork holds up. *** Now let's talk about NTP. Originally you asked about installing and configuring an NTP service on this printer. And you had some concerns because you didn't know how to assign a static IP address to it. However, you've stated a few times now that you *are* able to ssh into it, from some other host on your network. The fact that you can ssh into it means that it's got a working IP address (either v4 or v6), and that your ssh client is able to determine that IP address and connect to it. So, either it's already got a static address, or your ssh client configuration is very clever, and knows how to determine the printer's dynamic address. In either case, the static-ness or dynamic-ness of the address is much less important than the fact that the address *works*. You are able to communicate with the printer, using your network. This means the printer should be able to communicate *back*, and specifically, it should be able to contact an NTP server on your network to synchronize its system clock. So all you should have to do is: 1) Determine which host on your network will act as your NTP server. Get an NTP package installed and running on that host, and configure it to allow connections from your LAN. You may select more than one if you like. 2) Make sure the NTP server(s) are getting their time synced correctly, most likely from public NTP sources on the Internet. 3) Install an NTP package on the printer, and configure it to use your designated local NTP server(s). 4) Ensure that the NTP services all start at boot time, and don't get their configuration files overwritten or anything like that. If some part of this doesn't work, then please report the exact nature of the failure, with details (commands and their output). Example commands that would be useful in debugging might include: date ntpq -p systemctl status ntp# or some sysv-rc equivalent ls -ld /etc/ntp.conf cat /etc/ntp.conf journalctl -u ntp # if it's systemd-based; otherwise: grep ntpd /var/log/syslog | tail -n20 You get the idea, I hope. Your logs might be in some other location. Find them. Read them.
Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4
When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to download the file, or play it with an external application. ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date. Can it be made to work?
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 14:42, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 02:24:20PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: root@mkspi:/etc# nmcli -bash: nmcli: command not found I do not know the mechanism by which my addition and deletions were done during boot, I had added the correct data to put eth0 at 192.168.71.100 in /e/n/i, and had deleted the line saying it was managed by networkmanager. The evidence I have is that the original file was restored, has only lo and the line giving credit to networkmanager was restored, my additions were gone. Based on the evidence I can see, what else am I supposed to think? What you showed us above, where you tried to run nmcli, was perfect. It contains your shell prompt (which tells us your username and hostname and current working directory), the command you ran, and its output. Hell, we even learned you're in a bash login shell, which is not immediately relevant, but is a nice detail to have. What we need is more of that. ls -ld /etc/network/interfaces root@mkspi:/etc# ls -ld /etc/network/interfaces -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 106 Jul 24 19:10 /etc/network/interfaces The rest of the files mentioned here have an mtime about a day later but 7 months newer than the actual time it has ATM, date Tue 03 Jan 2023 06:44:56 AM PST would be an excellent starting point. It would tell us whether your /e/n/i is a regular file or a symbolic link. If it's a regular file, we would get the last modified time, so we'd know *when* it was altered, if your system clock is accurate (which it might not be, given the thread's original subject). The clock is apparently restarted from midnight 12/1/2022 at every reboot. And I don't know if the rockchip64 has a clock. Most of the pi's don't. Since this is 12/1/2023, saying it about a year out of date is a pretty accurate statement. The mtime might not be useful to us, but it might be more useful to *you*, as you might know what time the system clock had the last time you ran that 'kiauh' script or whatever it was. Maybe that's what undoes your changes? If it turns out the modification took place in the wee hours of the morning, then it's more likely a cron job or systemd timer kicks off the process that undoes the changes. This overwrite was done that way as soon as I could login at the old address with ssh so I have to say it was done by network start time in the bootup from a 10 second power down. If /e/n/i turns out to be a symbolic link on your system, then its target may give us some hints about which program is messing with it. . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Mailing List
piorunz writes: > On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >>> Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) >> >> Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have >> the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header). >> >> Cheers > > Oh, ok, I didn't know that. That's why the group receives so much spam No. This group does not has a lot of spam. KJ
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 13:27, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:35AM +, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:24:35PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: Gene, Please do us *all* a favour to try and help you. Write us out a list of all your machines - and if a printer has an embedded SBC, it's a machine in this context - and the OS and versions they are running. List the functions you want each to have. As others have noted, it's REALLY hard to work out what you're doing. If machines and printers expect DHCP, then you're going to have to amend files. Do back up the files you change. 1. There is nothing in Debian that ever overwrites the /etc/network/interfaces file. But you aren't running Debian on this machine, so we are all having difficulty helping you. Because this is DEBIAN-user. I'm well aware of that Andy, but TBH, this list may be the deepest pool of knowledgeable people on the planet, most of my machines are running debian. Those that are running buster have been stuck as the switch to python 3 with bullseye broke linuxcnc. Thats now been fixed and has been for a while but I've had my own projects that took priority. There will not be any spinning rust here when I do update to bookworm or trixie. As ever, our collective expertise here is primarily Debian - we have no clue what a derived distribution may or may not do. There is also an overtone of NIH here. These programs are tools and one does his (or her) best thinking well outside the box at times. 2. All you've described is a line in a file which says, "Network is managed by NetworkManager". There is NO indication WHICH piece of software put that line there, it really could be anything. Because you aren't running Debian. Since NetworkManager can be set up to run arbitrary commands, it certainly COULD be YOUR setup of NetworkManager. Or something else entirely different. It's nothing in Debian, though. Then you are incompatible with software you are trying to run. Your options: - do not allow scripts coming with klipper or its installer to touch network configuration They never have, they just use it. And I've used up my patience in explaining that and being mostly ignored. - setup a DHCP server in your network and provide to 3d wizards environment they expect. "Su and say" is not great: running third party scripts on non-Debian systems and you get to keep both pieces unless you undersand what kiauh and Klipper are doing, be careful. Again, Max, its your way or the hiway. I'd be willing to guess that my network experience goes back at least a decade before your first class in cs 101. /etc/hosts files worked in 1990 then as now, we just have to get the dhcp crap out of the way. And you and your insistence on using dhcp which has never given me a stable address are definitely NOT helping. This like some sort of farce. You have an operating system hard-coded to use DHCP, but you won't use DHCP, so it doesn't work. You can't work out how to make it not want DHCP; you won't ask the people who made it how; instead you ask us completely uninvolved folks how to do it. When we tell you to configure it for static networking you say you can't because it wants DHCP. When we say use DHCP then, you say, "oh I see it's your way or the hiway, I'll have you know I was crafting IP packets from raw bean sprouts before you kids ever drew breath!" So would I be correct in saying that you want US to work out how to do this thing in software we don't use and that's off-topic here, and that's the only answer you'll accept? Or have I misunderstood and there is some other direction you would like to go with this? Thanks, Andy It does seem to be a problem on this list that we can't always get clear explanations of what has *actually* been done. Andy That list of machines is long Andy, and possibly boring. 1. The 2nd machine I converted, affectionately known as tlm.coyote.den, ( The Little Monster ), a 7x12 lathe running buster with a real time kernel and linuxcnc, all uptdate. uname -a= Linux TLM 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.289-2 (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux Running on an off-lease Dell Optiplex computer. 2. A 4 axis mill sold by grizzly as the G0704 running on another off-lease Dell, named go704, using an uptodate buster, uname -a= Linux GO704 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.289-2 (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux also using linuxcnc. 3. Another 4 axis gantry style mill sold as the 6040, also running buster with a rt kernel and linuxcnc on another off-lease Dell. uname -a= Linux sixty40 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.289-2 (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux 4. Another lathe, a bigger Sheldon from the mid WW-II time, running on a raspberry pi 4b, bookworm, uname -a= Linux rpi4.coyote.den 6.1.54-rt15 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Wed Sep 20 20:36:44 AEST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux and linuxcnc=LinuxCNC/AXIS vers
Re: Mailing List
On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 16:32:44 (+), Joe wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100 > Marco Moock wrote: > > Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe: > > > > > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the > > > next three were on 29th at > > > 08:39 > > > 13:14 > > > 15:55 > > > then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50 messages > > > per day. > > > > > > So yes, there was a problem. > > > Times UTC by the way. > > > > IIRC the amount of messages varies depending on how much people take > > part in discussions. > > > > I don't think the current behavior is unusual. > > > > No, it's fine now, but there definitely was a blockage on the 29th. It > returned to normal about 16:00 UTC and has been OK since then. I can certainly see the gap you mention—I got nothing from the list between 2023-11-28 22:34:58+00:00 (arrived in ~Manchester 2023-11-28T22:35:24+00:00) and 2023-11-29 17:49:37+00:00 (arrived 2023-11-29T17:50:03+00:00) /unless/ I just happen to have deleted everything in that period (unlikely as I have the entirety of gene's thread). Looking at everything I still have from the list over 28th/29th (in Central time), I only see two trivial delays between posting and delivery here: Felix M (~5 min) and Dan R (15 min). What I don't see is any posts sent during that gap but delivered afterwards. PS Your clock is ahead, Dan P. Cheers, David.
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Hello, On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 11:21:05PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 30/11/2023 23:12, Andy Smith wrote: > > Unless you have a dedicated time source (e.g. GPS receiver, atomic > > decay source, …) > > A nitpick. I am puzzled by the word "decay" in this context. Electron > transition between energy states in atomic clocks is not decay. I'm sure you're right; I don't really know anything about atomic clocks other than that they exist. > As to a GPS receiver, it should be doable and 169.254.x.y addresses will not > be an issue any more. Sure, all of these things are readily available to buy online and compatible with Linux. It's just so far down the list of what Gene should probably try first that it's kind of comical to have the conversation, though! The ntppool.org forum is a good place for amateur builders of "real" clocks attached to Linux/BSD. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Mailing List
On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header). Cheers Oh, ok, I didn't know that. That's why the group receives so much spam lol -_- -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
Hi, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes > and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. Some wisdom cannot be repeated enough. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: didn't can use "fdisk"!
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:46:28PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > My first guess is that you may have done "su" which results in you > not having /sbin in your path. So you need to execute it as > /sbin/fdisk, or "su -", or become root by some other means. At this point, we no longer need to guess. It's immediately clear. Using "su -" is an acceptable solution, though not my preferred one if this is your own system, as opposed to one where you are a "guest admin". I'd rather fix the problem permanently, by putting appropriate content into the /etc/default/su file. unicorn:~$ cat /etc/default/su ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes unicorn:~$ su Password: root@unicorn:/home/greg# declare -p PATH declare -x PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" root@unicorn:/home/greg#
Re: didn't can use "fdisk"!
Hi, On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:06:58PM +, fuf wrote: > root@debian:/sbin# fdisk -l > bash: fdisk: command not found > > whereas: > root@debian:/sbin# ls -al > . > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root169520 Mar 23 2023 fdisk > > why? My first guess is that you may have done "su" which results in you not having /sbin in your path. So you need to execute it as /sbin/fdisk, or "su -", or become root by some other means. https://sources.debian.org/src/util-linux/2.33.1-0.1/debian/util-linux.NEWS/ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833256#80 This has been the case since the release of Debian 10 (buster). If it's not that, please state Debian version, how you became root, and $ ls -la /sbin/fdisk Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 02:24:20PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > root@mkspi:/etc# nmcli > > > -bash: nmcli: command not found > I do not know the mechanism by which my addition and deletions were done > during boot, I had added the correct data to put eth0 at 192.168.71.100 in > /e/n/i, and had deleted the line saying it was managed by networkmanager. > The evidence I have is that the original file was restored, has only lo and > the line giving credit to networkmanager was restored, my additions were > gone. Based on the evidence I can see, what else am I supposed to think? What you showed us above, where you tried to run nmcli, was perfect. It contains your shell prompt (which tells us your username and hostname and current working directory), the command you ran, and its output. Hell, we even learned you're in a bash login shell, which is not immediately relevant, but is a nice detail to have. What we need is more of that. ls -ld /etc/network/interfaces would be an excellent starting point. It would tell us whether your /e/n/i is a regular file or a symbolic link. If it's a regular file, we would get the last modified time, so we'd know *when* it was altered, if your system clock is accurate (which it might not be, given the thread's original subject). The mtime might not be useful to us, but it might be more useful to *you*, as you might know what time the system clock had the last time you ran that 'kiauh' script or whatever it was. Maybe that's what undoes your changes? If it turns out the modification took place in the wee hours of the morning, then it's more likely a cron job or systemd timer kicks off the process that undoes the changes. If /e/n/i turns out to be a symbolic link on your system, then its target may give us some hints about which program is messing with it.
Re: didn't can use "fdisk"!
fuf writes: > Hello all. > I'm embarrassed because didn't can use "fdisk"! > I work as normal user, open the terminal, switch to "root" user but > get: > root@debian:/sbin# fdisk -l > bash: fdisk: command not found > > whereas: > root@debian:/sbin# ls -al > . > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169520 Mar 23 2023 fdisk It would seem that /sbin isn't in your $PATH. What method did you use to become root? Cheers, Tom
Re: didn't can use "fdisk"!
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:06:58PM +, fuf wrote: > I'm embarrassed because didn't can use "fdisk"! > I work as normal user, open the terminal, switch to "root" user but get: > root@debian:/sbin# fdisk -l > bash: fdisk: command not found https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes Or the tl;dr version: echo 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' >> /etc/default/su After this, exit from your root shell, and "su" again, and this time the PATH will be correctly set.
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:18:13PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines: > > > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private > > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > OK, you know how it is when you only notice the mistake *after* you've posted it ... I'm unsure whether to republish this with an additional line * Before posting, it may be useful to check your post for spelling mistakes and scan it for redundancy, duplicate words and redundancy. With every good wish, as ever, Andy [amaca...@debian.org]
didn't can use "fdisk"!
Hello all. I'm embarrassed because didn't can use "fdisk"! I work as normal user, open the terminal, switch to "root" user but get: root@debian:/sbin# fdisk -l bash: fdisk: command not found whereas: root@debian:/sbin# ls -al . -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root169520 Mar 23 2023 fdisk why? I reinstalled "util-linux" and "fdisk" by "Synaptic" but nothing varied. What is matter?, give me any advice, please. --fuf
Re: time question, as in ntp?
tomas writes: > Oh, oh... my first "Internet" (not in the sense of IP, obviously!) > connection was via UUCP. Likewise. -- John Hasler ihnp4!stolaf!bungia!foundln!john j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 10:27, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 17:42, gene heskett wrote: On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote: Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that namely "networkmangler" overwrites "/e/n/i". =NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces. Sheesh, part of the "slang-guage" for decades. MetworkManager has well earned that alias. I have made it a habit to remove the x attribute of that headache. I asked it because earlier you posted root@mkspi:/etc# nmcli -bash: nmcli: command not found so I have to repeat it. You *do* *not* have NetworkManager installed hence it can not overwrite files. What particular *evidences* do you have that namely NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces? I am not interested in you *speculations*. In a previous episode you blamed NetworkManager in breaking of /etc/resolv.conf. Actually it was you who put incorrect info into NetworkManager configuration: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/zt-gj6fkycbnz...@wooledge.org I do not know the mechanism by which my addition and deletions were done during boot, I had added the correct data to put eth0 at 192.168.71.100 in /e/n/i, and had deleted the line saying it was managed by networkmanager. The evidence I have is that the original file was restored, has only lo and the line giving credit to networkmanager was restored, my additions were gone. Based on the evidence I can see, what else am I supposed to think? Maybe something in armbian-config overwrote it. IDK, but thats the clues I have. But I have NOT found ambian-config yet. . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December2023)
Hi, there is a new surplus word "private" in these lines: > * Please post answers back to the list so others can benefit: private > private conversations don't benefit people who may only be following Have a nice day :) Thomas
Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (modified 1st December 2023)
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Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 04:55:01PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2023-12-01, John Hasler wrote: > > > > BTW my network experience goes back to bang paths. I'm currently using > > both hosts files and DHCP. > > In addition to legacy use, in 2021 new and innovative UUCP uses are > growing [...] Oh, oh... my first "Internet" (not in the sense of IP, obviously!) connection was via UUCP. Mail and Usenet. 14.4K modem. Ftpmail to "download" stuff. Times, those. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 08:42, Dan Purgert wrote: On Dec 01, 2023, gene heskett wrote: [lotsa snipping ... ] You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16 addresses, say from 192.168.71.100 to 192.168.71.115, what do I uncomment and fill in, in dhcpd.conf? Sent you a mail off-list with greater detail (hopefully it'll get through). Came in fine, than you Dan. Simple approach --> look for the stanza beginning "subnet". It should already be uncommented (as I recall), and probably setup for the "pretty standard default RFC1919 range" of 192.168.1.0/24. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 08:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:20:57AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16 addresses, say from 192.168.71.100 to 192.168.71.115, what do I uncomment and fill in, in dhcpd.conf? If I'm going to have to do this, I want it done the approved way. I want the server to only respond to the MAC address of that printer, no response to any other MAC that might come calling. The pool is for "anyone who comes calling". Your reserved addresses should be outside the pool. Good to know, thanks Greg. . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:35AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:24:35PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Gene, Please do us *all* a favour to try and help you. Write us out a list of all your machines - and if a printer has an embedded SBC, it's a machine in this context - and the OS and versions they are running. List the functions you want each to have. As others have noted, it's REALLY hard to work out what you're doing. If machines and printers expect DHCP, then you're going to have to amend files. Do back up the files you change. > 1. There is nothing in Debian that ever overwrites the >/etc/network/interfaces file. But you aren't running Debian on >this machine, so we are all having difficulty helping you. >Because this is DEBIAN-user. > As ever, our collective expertise here is primarily Debian - we have no clue what a derived distribution may or may not do. > 2. All you've described is a line in a file which says, "Network is >managed by NetworkManager". There is NO indication WHICH piece of >software put that line there, it really could be anything. >Because you aren't running Debian. Since NetworkManager can be >set up to run arbitrary commands, it certainly COULD be YOUR >setup of NetworkManager. Or something else entirely different. >It's nothing in Debian, though. > > > > Then you are incompatible with software you are trying to run. Your > > > options: > > > - do not allow scripts coming with klipper or its installer to touch > > > network configuration > > > - setup a DHCP server in your network and provide to 3d wizards > > > environment they expect. > > > "Su and say" is not great: running third party scripts on non-Debian systems and you get to keep both pieces unless you undersand what kiauh and Klipper are doing, be careful. > > Again, Max, its your way or the hiway. I'd be willing to guess that my > > network experience goes back at least a decade before your first class in cs > > 101. /etc/hosts files worked in 1990 then as now, we just have to get the > > dhcp crap out of the way. And you and your insistence on using dhcp which > > has never given me a stable address are definitely NOT helping. > > This like some sort of farce. > > You have an operating system hard-coded to use DHCP, but you won't > use DHCP, so it doesn't work. You can't work out how to make it not > want DHCP; you won't ask the people who made it how; instead you ask > us completely uninvolved folks how to do it. When we tell you to > configure it for static networking you say you can't because it > wants DHCP. When we say use DHCP then, you say, "oh I see it's your > way or the hiway, I'll have you know I was crafting IP packets from > raw bean sprouts before you kids ever drew breath!" > > So would I be correct in saying that you want US to work out how to > do this thing in software we don't use and that's off-topic here, > and that's the only answer you'll accept? > > Or have I misunderstood and there is some other direction you would > like to go with this? > > Thanks, > Andy > It does seem to be a problem on this list that we can't always get clear explanations of what has *actually* been done. Andy >
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 2023-12-01, John Hasler wrote: > > BTW my network experience goes back to bang paths. I'm currently using > both hosts files and DHCP. In addition to legacy use, in 2021 new and innovative UUCP uses are growing, especially for telecommunications in the HF band, for example, for communities in the Amazon rainforest for email exchange and other uses. A patch to Ian's UUCP was contributed to UUCP Debian Linux package[17] to adapt for the HERMES (High-Frequency Emergency and Rural Multimedia Exchange System) project, which provides UUCP HF connectivity.[18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUCP It's experiencing a comeback, it seems!
Re: Mailing List
Pocket wrote: > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? > > Have received any messages since Nov 30 > > I can not tell if I am still subscribed > > I get > > Error: Overload > > On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html page Your message made it to the list. Various people commented and you can see them in the archive as well as your own post at: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/14a3f8ab-8475-45c2-ae1c-b05ab135c...@columbus.rr.com FWIW, I haven't noticed anything strange but I haven't been observing closely.
Re: Mailing List
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: > Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe: > > > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the > > next three were on 29th at > > 08:39 > > 13:14 > > 15:55 > > then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50 messages > > per day. > > > > So yes, there was a problem. > > Times UTC by the way. > > IIRC the amount of messages varies depending on how much people take > part in discussions. > > I don't think the current behavior is unusual. > No, it's fine now, but there definitely was a blockage on the 29th. It returned to normal about 16:00 UTC and has been OK since then. -- Joe
Re: Mailing List
Hi, > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? I got your message via the list. > Have received any messages since Nov 30 Normal traffic yesterday and today, i'd say. > I can not tell if I am still subscribed The "From:" address poc...@columbus.rr.com seems not to be recognized as being subscribed. The message to which i reply bears no "LDOSUBSCRIBER": X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,HTML_MESSAGE, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS,LDO_WHITELIST,META_ATTENDEES_DBSPAM1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Unlike examples of other messages from other sender to the list: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.7 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, FOURLA,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,WORD_WITHOUT_VOWELS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.7 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2,FOURLA,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.5 required=4.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,LDOSUBSCRIBER, LDO_WHITELIST,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 > I get > Error: Overload > On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html [lists.debian.org] page That's quite a long page. Try https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/12/threads.html and your message at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/12/msg00028.html Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 30/11/2023 23:12, Andy Smith wrote: Unless you have a dedicated time source (e.g. GPS receiver, atomic decay source, …) A nitpick. I am puzzled by the word "decay" in this context. Electron transition between energy states in atomic clocks is not decay. Nuclear decay is hardly related to clocks as well. Observation of photon frequency change due to propagation in gravitational field of the Earth was a really impressive experiment. However radioactive decay was just a means to get excited nuclei. Emission and absorption of gamma rays is still a transition between energy states, not a decay. Anyway I am unaware of *clocks* based on Mössbauer effect. Despite extreme precision in respect to frequency change, difficulties with implementation make it impractical. As to a GPS receiver, it should be doable and 169.254.x.y addresses will not be an issue any more. Be careful with cables when connecting it however: https://www.wired.com/2012/02/neutrinos-faulty-cable/
Re: Mailing List
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 03:24:33PM +, piorunz wrote: > On 01/12/2023 15:05, Pocket wrote: > > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? > > > > Have received any messages since Nov 30 > > > > I can not tell if I am still subscribed > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header). Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing List
Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe: > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the next > three were on 29th at > 08:39 > 13:14 > 15:55 > then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50 messages per > day. > > So yes, there was a problem. > Times UTC by the way. IIRC the amount of messages varies depending on how much people take part in discussions. I don't think the current behavior is unusual.
Re: used vs. unused packages installed
For this sort of thing I prefer the aptitude TUI. Highlight the package in question and hit 'r' and the list of reverse dependencies appears. Installed packages will be in bold (also bright white with my terminal settings). One can continue up the chain by highlighting one of the installed reverse dependencies and pressing 'r' again, and so on. Another trick I have used is to use 'M' to mark the package as automatically installed, if nothing depends on it then it will be marked for removal. Be careful here as a manually installed top level package you might want to keep such as vim will be marked for removal and all packages that were automatically installed with it. To reverse the proposed removal action, use 'Ctrl-u'. While I often use apt at the command line, I've been using aptitude since early 2001 and often prefer its TUI for doing drastic things! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 01/12/2023 17:42, gene heskett wrote: On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote: Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that namely "networkmangler" overwrites "/e/n/i". =NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces. Sheesh, part of the "slang-guage" for decades. MetworkManager has well earned that alias. I have made it a habit to remove the x attribute of that headache. I asked it because earlier you posted root@mkspi:/etc# nmcli -bash: nmcli: command not found so I have to repeat it. You *do* *not* have NetworkManager installed hence it can not overwrite files. What particular *evidences* do you have that namely NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces? I am not interested in you *speculations*. In a previous episode you blamed NetworkManager in breaking of /etc/resolv.conf. Actually it was you who put incorrect info into NetworkManager configuration: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/zt-gj6fkycbnz...@wooledge.org
Re: Mailing List
Am 01.12.2023 um 10:05:02 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > I get > > > Error: Overload > > On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html page Works perfectly fine for me.
Re: Mailing List
On 01/12/2023 15:05, Pocket wrote: Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? Have received any messages since Nov 30 I can not tell if I am still subscribed Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
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Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Dec 01, 2023, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:20:57AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I
> > installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which looks
> > as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16 addresses, say from
> > 192.168.71.100 to 192.168.71.115, what do I uncomment and fill in, in
> > dhcpd.conf?
> >
> > If I'm going to have to do this, I want it done the approved way.
> >
> > I want the server to only respond to the MAC address of that printer, no
> > response to any other MAC that might come calling.
>
> The pool is for "anyone who comes calling".
>
> Your reserved addresses should be outside the pool.
At one time (or I'm just conflating isc-dhcp-server with some other
dhcp server option), it was required that a host's "fixed-address" was
within the defined range ("address pool"). Looking at a manpage dated
2021 (or well at least /usr/share/man/man8/dhcpd.8.gz is dated 2021), it
doesn't specify one way or the other.
It does, however, note that if you do set a host's fixed-address that
falls in the range, it just gets skipped when a client that doesn't
match the defined host-identifier (e.g. MAC Address) is requesting an
IP.
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Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Dec 01, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > [lotsa snipping ... ] > > You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I > installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which > looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16 > addresses, say from 192.168.71.100 to 192.168.71.115, what do I > uncomment and fill in, in dhcpd.conf? Sent you a mail off-list with greater detail (hopefully it'll get through). Simple approach --> look for the stanza beginning "subnet". It should already be uncommented (as I recall), and probably setup for the "pretty standard default RFC1919 range" of 192.168.1.0/24. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:20:57AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I > installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which looks > as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16 addresses, say from > 192.168.71.100 to 192.168.71.115, what do I uncomment and fill in, in > dhcpd.conf? > > If I'm going to have to do this, I want it done the approved way. > > I want the server to only respond to the MAC address of that printer, no > response to any other MAC that might come calling. The pool is for "anyone who comes calling". Your reserved addresses should be outside the pool.
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 05:59, gene heskett wrote:
On 12/1/23 05:41, Dan Purgert wrote:
On Nov 30, 2023, gene heskett wrote:
On 11/30/23 22:07, John Hasler wrote:
Gene writes:
let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT
have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp.
I'm sure it's running dhclient. do
ls /etc/dhcp
and
ps ax | grep dhc
You don't need to do anything on that machine. Just install a dhcp
server somewhere on your network (on the router is conventional) and it
will give that machine an ip number.
At risk of repeating myself forever, I don't need an unstable address, I
don't want whatever the heck is left in the pool. Hosts files do
that, dhcp
doesn't. It just hands out the next number in the pool. hosts files are
static. A forveer lease.
DHCP will only hand out the "next" ('unstable') address to a host that
currently has no valid lease AND does not have a reservation set on the
DHCP server. Reservations are based on host MAC address.
Any host that has a valid lease will renew that lease indefinitely, at
lease half-life (and if the DHCP server happens to be missing at
half-life, retry at 7/8ths ).
Assuming I install a dhcp SERVER on this machine, how do I edit the
client.conf on that machine to query this one?, and how to I enable this
"reservation" on this SERVER so it hands out a stable address ONLY if
the reservation matches? Point me at the docs please and I'll go away.
You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I
installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which
looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16
addresses, say from 192.168.71.100 to 192.168.71.115, what do I
uncomment and fill in, in dhcpd.conf?
If I'm going to have to do this, I want it done the approved way.
I want the server to only respond to the MAC address of that printer, no
response to any other MAC that might come calling.
Thanks all.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Dec 01, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote: > > [...] > > What I see in your messages are false claims, e.g. that DHCP addresses > > are unstable. DHCP servers *may* be configured to assign fixed addresses > > to particular clients. > > > My ISP does that, so my exterior net address has been stable for over a > decade, but I've tried it 2-3 times in the 2000's and got unstable > addresses from the distro versions of dhcp every time. Your router just renews its lease within the renewal window. If you had no power for a week, then your router would lose its lease, and the IP address would change. That is -- no, your ISP does not reserve your IP address at all. Likewise, a Debian box running isc-dhcp-server (or any of the other myriad of options) will hand out the same address to the same machine forever, provided that machine asks to renew before the lease expires. Note that if we're talking about devices that leave your network, this somewhat goes out the window; because if they happened to join a remote network that happens to share the same subnet, AND that network tells them to use a different IP address (e.g. home was 192.168.1.100, starbucks told your laptop '100' wasn't available), then the laptop MAY request the IP address Starbucks gave when you get back home. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Dec 01, 2023, gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/1/23 05:41, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On Nov 30, 2023, gene heskett wrote:
> > > On 11/30/23 22:07, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Gene writes:
> > > > > let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT
> > > > > have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure it's running dhclient. do
> > > >
> > > > ls /etc/dhcp
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > ps ax | grep dhc
> > > >
> > > > You don't need to do anything on that machine. Just install a dhcp
> > > > server somewhere on your network (on the router is conventional) and it
> > > > will give that machine an ip number.
> > >
> > > At risk of repeating myself forever, I don't need an unstable address, I
> > > don't want whatever the heck is left in the pool. Hosts files do that,
> > > dhcp
> > > doesn't. It just hands out the next number in the pool. hosts files are
> > > static. A forveer lease.
> >
> > DHCP will only hand out the "next" ('unstable') address to a host that
> > currently has no valid lease AND does not have a reservation set on the
> > DHCP server. Reservations are based on host MAC address.
> >
> > Any host that has a valid lease will renew that lease indefinitely, at
> > lease half-life (and if the DHCP server happens to be missing at
> > half-life, retry at 7/8ths ).
>
> Assuming I install a dhcp SERVER on this machine, how do I edit the
> client.conf on that machine to query this one?, and how to I enable this
> "reservation" on this SERVER so it hands out a stable address ONLY if the
> reservation matches? Point me at the docs please and I'll go away.
You don't tell the client anything. DHCP is initiated by a broadcast
from a client looking for an IP address.
Reservation syntax depends on which DHCP server you're using. If it's
isc-dhcp-server (predecessor to kea; though I've not yet migrated to
kea), then, in the 'subnet' directive, you add a "host" directive.
The isc-dhcp-server example config file (and html manual) cover the
syntax in greater detail, but here's a short example:
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.199;
[... DNS, default gateway, etc ...]
host thePrinter {
hardware ethernet 00:12:34:56:78:9A;
fixed-address 192.168.1.120;
}
}
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Re: used vs. unused packages installed
On 2023-11-30, David Wright wrote: > deborphan -Ps or orphaner Perhaps deborphan -Ps --ignore-suggests Or even deborphan -Ps --ignore-suggests --ignore-recommends
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 12/1/23 05:41, Dan Purgert wrote:
On Nov 30, 2023, gene heskett wrote:
On 11/30/23 22:07, John Hasler wrote:
Gene writes:
let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT
have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp.
I'm sure it's running dhclient. do
ls /etc/dhcp
and
ps ax | grep dhc
You don't need to do anything on that machine. Just install a dhcp
server somewhere on your network (on the router is conventional) and it
will give that machine an ip number.
At risk of repeating myself forever, I don't need an unstable address, I
don't want whatever the heck is left in the pool. Hosts files do that, dhcp
doesn't. It just hands out the next number in the pool. hosts files are
static. A forveer lease.
DHCP will only hand out the "next" ('unstable') address to a host that
currently has no valid lease AND does not have a reservation set on the
DHCP server. Reservations are based on host MAC address.
Any host that has a valid lease will renew that lease indefinitely, at
lease half-life (and if the DHCP server happens to be missing at
half-life, retry at 7/8ths ).
Assuming I install a dhcp SERVER on this machine, how do I edit the
client.conf on that machine to query this one?, and how to I enable this
"reservation" on this SERVER so it hands out a stable address ONLY if
the reservation matches? Point me at the docs please and I'll go away.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote: If you would bother to read what I posted, you would have seen that networkmangler claimed credit for that overwritten /e/n/i file. Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that namely "networkmangler" overwrites "/e/n/i". =NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces. Sheesh, part of the "slang-guage" for decades. MetworkManager has well earned that alias. I have made it a habit to remove the x attribute of that headache. Funny thing, even as far back as wheezy, absolutely nothing had the chutzpah to log it wasn't executable. Its gradually been made remove-able but early on removing it tore down the system to where it could only be re-installed from the install cd's. It was a solution to a problem we never had unless you were carrying a lappy into ever library on the planet. I am not familiar with QIDI, kiauth.sh, and similar 3rd party stuff. What I see in your messages are false claims, e.g. that DHCP addresses are unstable. DHCP servers *may* be configured to assign fixed addresses to particular clients. My ISP does that, so my exterior net address has been stable for over a decade, but I've tried it 2-3 times in the 2000's and got unstable addresses from the distro versions of dhcp every time. My ISP gives the router a stable address because its linked to the MAC of the router, so while I have 2 interchangeable routers, the backup has cloned its MAC to match, so my net cost to run a web page on this machine is the namecheap 5 year fee of $20 the last time I paid it. But the whole, several gigabyte page was lost a year ago when two quite new, 2T seagates went tits down in the night within 2 days of each other, one was my boot drive, the other vtapes from Amanda. That was the last straw and today 8 machines here have only 2 spinning rust drives remaining. They will be replaced with SSD's when I bring those buster machines up to bookworm or Trixie. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: time question, as in ntp?
On Nov 30, 2023, gene heskett wrote:
> On 11/30/23 22:07, John Hasler wrote:
> > Gene writes:
> > > let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT
> > > have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp.
> >
> > I'm sure it's running dhclient. do
> >
> > ls /etc/dhcp
> >
> > and
> >
> > ps ax | grep dhc
> >
> > You don't need to do anything on that machine. Just install a dhcp
> > server somewhere on your network (on the router is conventional) and it
> > will give that machine an ip number.
>
> At risk of repeating myself forever, I don't need an unstable address, I
> don't want whatever the heck is left in the pool. Hosts files do that, dhcp
> doesn't. It just hands out the next number in the pool. hosts files are
> static. A forveer lease.
DHCP will only hand out the "next" ('unstable') address to a host that
currently has no valid lease AND does not have a reservation set on the
DHCP server. Reservations are based on host MAC address.
Any host that has a valid lease will renew that lease indefinitely, at
lease half-life (and if the DHCP server happens to be missing at
half-life, retry at 7/8ths ).
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Re: time question, as in ntp?
On 11/30/23 23:04, John Hasler wrote: Klipper runs on OctoPi, a customized Linux distribution. As installed it is set up to use DHCP. You can either install a DHCP server on your network and it will just work, or you can figure out how to modify OctoPi to do things your way. You seem to be banging your head against a wall trying to do the latter. klipper runs on anything armhf or better. OctoPi isn't even on the property here. It only has one address, USB-like from the output of /dev/serial/by-id. Not supported by every controller card maker, but if present, that is a unique string derived from chipid which the stm family of micro's supports. klipper is actually two parts, the controller is reflashed, and the rest of it runs on the pi clone. Mostly python, the housekeeping might run on wintel for all I know. BTW my network experience goes back to bang paths. I'm currently using both hosts files and DHCP. I'm not surprised John, I've seen your name here and there for decades. OT: We had some of the bang paths at WDTV, where I was the CE from 1984 to mid 2002. Then we bought a block of 16 addresses. We had a web page online to dialup folks, served by am amiga, writing the code in ARexx long before PHP came out, months before any other tv station in the country had a web page. I wrote much of that ARexx. A do anything language that had hooks into everything in amigados. Bill Hawes, who wrote ARexx was stiffed by commode door, making less than 500$ from sales of the language book he sold himself. We were upset that a very talented coder was screwed so badly and I don't think he ever wrote another byte for free, but he had an empty account on vger for a long time. One thing amigados never had was a cron, so Jim Hines and I wrote EZCron which we published on an amigados list. Instant world wide use. Fun and games and fond memories from 30+ years ago. /OT: Take care and stay well John. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: used vs. unused packages installed
On 2023-11-30, Greg Wooledge wrote: > My first thought is that popularity-contest should be able to tell you > this, because it's able to tell *Debian* which packages are "old" I should live on the "old" but mandatory edge :) 20 tk 20 tcl 14 g++
