Re: can't connect to server from outside LAN
On 6/13/2024 10:26, Darac Marjal wrote: On 12/06/2024 23:54, Greg Marks wrote: The problem began a couple weeks ago; previously (and for many years) I had been able to ssh to my server without issue. The first time it failed, I was using free wireless at an airport; I was able to ssh to my server from the hotel that morning, and maybe, the first time I tried, from the airport, but then subsequent ssh attempts from the airport failed to connect. I mention this only because nothing had changed in my server's configuration when this problem began. This is a real problem for me, as a lot of my work involves sending files via scp between work and home. Any suggestions about how to troubleshoot and hopefully fix the problem will be greatly appreciated. Have you contacted your ISP? It's possible they're blocking SSH access on (questionable) security grounds. As a workaround, you could look at https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/sslh, which allows you to "multiplex" HTTPS, SSH and various other protocols all on the same port (the idea being that you can do "ssh -p 443 gmarks.org" as well as browsing to https://gmarks.org:443). It might be worth trying something like Tailscale... with a free personal account, you can set it up on your home server, and if your work allows, on there as well. It'll establish essentially a private vpn between the devices, without having to mess with any kind of port forwarding on your router, and bypassing any shenanigans on the part of your ISP. Tailscale also has some 'fancier' SSH options, if you need them, but just establishing a 'direct' connection between the hosts without any other crap in between helps simplify things a lot.
Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps
On 5/29/24 07:58, Curt wrote: I travel to https://pairdrop.net/ on both devices on the LAN for the occasional file transfer. There is an Android app, although you don't need one (merely a browser). Thanks for that... I may have to set that up with my wife's iPhone. Getting her to use SyncThing - or any app outside the Apple ecosystem - has been a struggle. This should make it easier for us to share the occasional photo or video!
Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps
SyncThing On 5/29/24 07:07, Carter Zhang wrote: Are there any free apps for GNU/Linux and Android to share files over LAN? There have already been LocalSend, LanXchange, LANDrop, NitroShare, Sharik, Warpinator, TrebleShot, but they have respective problems.
Re: "Repeaters", etc.
On 5/28/24 11:03, rtnetz...@windstream.net wrote: - Original Message - From: "Paul M Foster" I've never see a 3 phase in a house. Quite some years ago my father inquired about getting 3 phase power to his house to power a rather husky lathe. The answers were distributed between "impossible" and "prohibitively expensive". Phase converters are usually the answer for that sort of thing. Whether old electro-mechanical (rotary), or newer static inverter designs, there are solutions out there that will get the job done a lot cheaper than convincing the utility to run a three-phase service drop to a residence. Ironically, used three-phase equipment like lathes, milling machines, large band saws, planers, etc. are relatively 'cheap as chips' on the second-hand market.
Re: "Repeaters", etc.
On 5/28/24 10:11, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2024 11:31:29 +0100 "mick.crane" wrote: Hello mick.crane, Is there not some system that runs ethernet over the mains wiring or did I misunderstand it. Yes, there is. I believe you're thinking of powerline adaptors. They do require everything be on the same circuit, however. I have a powerline adapter (Devolo units). There's no such restriction, as far as I know. My powerline transmitter and receiver are certainly on different circuits. The way electrical wiring is done in the UK often means separate floors are on different circuits, and in larger properties, each floor might be on two (or more) circuits, making it difficult, at best, to get the whole building networked this way. And that's assuming ring circuits, if everything is on a radial, you're stymied. Most houses in the UK are wired to a single phase, so everything is connected together at the consumer unit and powerline works just fine. If you have a specific problem, then there are DIN rail powerline units designed specifically to be mounted in the CU to spread the signal better over ALL the circuits. Yes and no. Most houses in the US are wired 'single phase as well... but they tap off 240vac, and then split that to two 120v 'legs'. As long as all the powerline ethernet devices are plugged into circuits on the same 120v leg, they'll talk together just fine. If they are spread across both legs... not so much. There's literally a coil of the xfmr up on the pole (or padmount) between those two sections, and it blocks HF comm waves pretty effectively. Although... in theory... i.e. it occurs to me but i haven't tried it personally... you *might* be able to have plugs in both 'legs' connected to a switch, and be able to bridge them that way. Might be some overarching electrical/grounding considerations worth thinking about further, though. More likely the immediate 'problem' is finding two circuits conveniently close to one another physically, yet on the separate legs of the mains. Not extremely likely, and it'd probably be far easier to pursue other solutions.
Re: Yast for debian
On 12/17/2012 08:03 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote: I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides installation/removal of software, it does at least account management, service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). What about Web YaST? http://webyast.github.com/webyast/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50cfef56.4010...@gmail.com
Re: external drive enclosures / esata / port multipliers?
On 1/19/11 10:23 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: You're talking about 8TB of raw data. How much is all that data worth to you? Depends. 8TB of disks, but using raid 5 I figured it was more like 6 TB of data. Some of that is movies, music, tv episodes etc. (back up of iTunes libraries, so a lot of it cannot just be ripped again from the original media, because it was purchased digitally). Some more of it will probably be backup images from clonezilla of several machines on the network. And some will be backuppc snapshots from other machines, if I ever get that setup again. Backups don't protect you well from slow, insiduous corruption (chances are you will NOT have a backup from before the corruption when you finally notice it) unless you have a strong retention policy, which I have never seen anyone do at home. Probably not. That would require even more media (and $$$) than most people are willing to throw at the problem. I'd go with the SAS setup. The Arecca cards have very good reputation (although I haven't checked that specific card). I can't say anything about the enclosure or the cable, other than that you should be careful with that cable, and don't treat it harshly. That particular Areca card seems to have very mixed reviews, on further investigation. It has Linux drivers, but not many reviews had much good to say about them. Finding a non-RAID SAS HBA card that supports Linux, has an external port or two to connect to an external drive array, and doesn't cost more than the bloody drive enclosure (or the enclosure and a drive) and that works 'out of the box' that someone will recommend via first-hand experience (judging by reviews and such, support for cards among any one brand or product line apparently varies wildly) is apparently asking too much. I'm somewhat inclined to go with option 'C': an HP Proliant Microserver N36L - comes without OS (certified for RHEL5), 1GB ECC memory + 160gb SATA drive. Move the OEM drive to the optical drive bay, stuff the four HDD bays with 2TB drives and call it a day. A little more expensive than the eSATA 4-bay drive enclosure, still a good bit cheaper than the SAS/SATA 4-bay enclosure + SAS HBA card. Replaces the old desktop PC 'server' entirely. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ihb73k$j4h$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: external drive enclosures / esata / port multipliers?
On 1/17/11 5:57 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011, Monte Milanuk wrote: My big question is... most of these external drive boxes seem to claim support for JBOD, RAID 0, 1, 10, 5, etc. - should I presume that is simply fake RAID like many commodity mobos have, and not Either that, or worse: data-eating crap like many low-cost PCI-SATA host bridges (such as some of the sil3xxx chips). Interesting... any particular examples? It seems that a lot of the SATA external drive enclosures I was looking at come with an eSATA card using a sil3xxx chipset, but no mention of data corruption in the user reviews, FWIW. really usable in Linux? In that case, with all the drives hanging off the one eSATA connection, will Linux (specifically Debian Squeeze) see all four drives, or just the first one? Will I be able to configure them in a RAID5 array as desired? It will see all disks, yes. But if the port-multiplier chip is buggy crap, your data is toast. It is best to avoid SATA port multipliers like the plague because of that, since it is extremely difficult to shop for an external bay with a particular chipset... Look for a specific hardware product that has been in the market for at least two years, and with many happy *Linux* users (Windows drivers might be working around chip errata unknown to Linux libata). Sorry, I can't personally recommend any. Or get a SAS HBA, and a SAS-attached enclosure. Far more expensive, but at least you can be sure it will work very well (yes, it will take SATA disks as well as the more expensive (and better) SAS disks). In other words '...avoid anything except the most expensive enterprise-grade equipment for a home backup storage solution' While good advice I'm sure, it kind of blows the budget out of the water and nixes the whole project. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ih4bdj$fj3$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: external drive enclosures / esata / port multipliers?
Okay... since this is not something I can go to the local office supply store (around here its either that or mail order) and pick up and look at it and see that tab A goes in slot B (i.e. how things physically fit/work together)... how exactly would I set this up, and what would I need? Lets say that I want to go with a four-bay enclosure as mentioned before. Something like this is what I had been looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132029 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145298 4-bay enclosure w/ eSATA card + cable: $130 Hitachi 2TB SATA HDD ($120x4): $480 Grand total:$610 vs... http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_cables_enclosures/sas4bay.asp Then I would need a SAS HBA card like this: http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_hba/arc-1300-4x.asp Plus a cable like this: http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_cables_adapters/-1M.asp Which if I get it all 'bundled' from that place, prices out like this: 4-bay enclosure:$279 Areca 1300x4 card + cable: $197 Hitachi 2TB SATAII HDD ($130x4):$520 Grand total:$996 Is it really 50% mo betta? If so, is the SAS setup I listed a good, basic choice? I'd rather this stuff last a long, long time if possible. TIA, Monte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ih5i8d$6vj$1...@dough.gmane.org
external drive enclosures / esata / port multipliers?
Hello all, I have two older PCs on my LAN posing as 'servers'... one running FreeNAS off a USB stick using three 500GB hdds in a ZFS RAID-Z pool serving as storage for the LAN and one running Debian Lenny with an 80GB drive used as a general purpose 'tinker' box that I can ssh into, etc. Problem is that the SMART report for one of those 500GB drives in the FreeNAS box is showing some pre-failure attributes, and the whole array is a little small anyways. Rather than simply replace one 500GB drive with another 500GB drive, and still have no backup of the file server, I'd like to upgrade all the drives to 2TB ones - but I have no where to store that much data in the mean while. As such, I started looking at getting a 4-bay external drive enclosure with an eSATA card for the Debian box, with the hopes of creating a RAID5 + LVM setup using those drives and backing the data up to that external drive enclosure. After the backup is done, replace the drives in the FreeNAS box and rebuild the array there and mirror the data back. Then, I'd have both the primary storage (on the FreeNAS box) and a backup (which I don't have currently) using the external drive enclosure on the Debian box. My big question is... most of these external drive boxes seem to claim support for JBOD, RAID 0, 1, 10, 5, etc. - should I presume that is simply fake RAID like many commodity mobos have, and not really usable in Linux? In that case, with all the drives hanging off the one eSATA connection, will Linux (specifically Debian Squeeze) see all four drives, or just the first one? Will I be able to configure them in a RAID5 array as desired? Thanks, Monte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ih2jj4$pd6$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Bad Debian (L.A.H.)
It appears to me that throughout the book, the authors call a spade a spade as they see it. Debian got called on this one; trust me, RedHat gets larted far more specifically and often, and SuSE gets thwocked a time or two as well. Just because a given distribution is your favorite doesn't mean it's 100% perfect all the time, to all people. Perhaps someone who has a copy at hand can post the URL for the errata site for the book, or dig up some email addresses for the authors. Then the people who take exception w/ their comments regarding the Debian way of doing things can discuss this w/ the authors and see what exactly, in their opinion, is wrong w/ the init scripts, etc. Here's the *rest* of the comments from that particular section in the book: At each run level, init invokes the script /etc/init.d/rc with the new run level as an argument. Each script is responsible for finding its own configuration information, which may be in the form of other files in /etc, a subdirectory of /etc, or somwhere in the script itself. If you're looking for the hostname of the system, it's stored in /etc/hostname, which is read by the /etc/init.d/hostname.sh script. Network interface and default gateway parameters are stored in /etc/network/interfaces, which is read by the ifup command called from /etc/init.d/networking Some network options can also be set in /etc/network options. Good luck. The section that the OP included goes immediately in front of the portion I've included. What I get from the *context* of the whole thing is that the authors, being experienced system administrators, would rather the system configuration information be kept in one location, whether it's in one file, such as /etc/rc.config or /etc/rc.config.d under SuSE, or /etc/sysconfig/ under RedHat. I don't think any distro has *all* of it's config information in one place, probably due mainly to compatibility w/ various software that's not necessarily written w/ that one distro in mind. Does the Debian method work? Obviously, yes. Is it perfect? Probably not. Is it better or worse than SuSE or RedHat, I think that's a personal preference. For those of you who seem to take such offense to the notion, here's the email addresses listed in the book for the authors: Evi Nemeth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Garth Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trent R. Hein[EMAIL PROTECTED] The website for the books is at www.admin.com Enjoy, Monte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie administrator
Phil wrote: Is there a good book for beginner adimin's like me? Try the Linux Administration Handbook by Nemeth, Snyder, and Hein. Same authors of the famous Unix Administration Handbook, same style, but more specific to Linux. Deals w/ RedHat 7.2, SuSE 7.3, and Debian 3.0 specifically, but most of the stuff is applicable to a lot of distributions. They do comment on oddities specific to one distro or another, and covers most every basic topic a new administrator needs. Look for it at Amazon or Barnes Noble. HTH, Monte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Complaint
Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Okay. I take that back. It appears that I can customize my filters. Just noticed that. Still, there is no reason to BCC the list. Not everyone has the ability to customize what their filters filter on (I'm sure there are more then a few Evolution and OE users on the list). Glad you found that you can customize the filters. I'm using 1.2.x on OS X, and have been filtering based on the mailing list headers for a while now. What I'm waiting for Mozilla to finally get straightened out is a decent Reply-to-List feature. I think that might be why you get CC/BCC'd a lot. I have to either do a 'Reply', and delete the senders address, and insert the list's address, or do a 'Reply to All', and cut the list address from the CC box and replace the senders address in the To box. Relatively simple, but kind of a PITA that modern 'mainstream' mail clients lack this sort of functionality. Monte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
funky hardware problem
A while back I 'rescued' an old P5-133 w/ 16MB of RAM to be a firewall machine. The original CDROM didn't work, so I replaced it w/ another, and replaced the HD w/ a WD 3.2GB HD. Everything seemed to work ok for a while, but then the CD started acting up, i.e. whenever I inserted a disk, it would sit there blinking non-stop, unable to access the CD. I robbed a CD drive out of another machine, same thing?!!? Played musical chairs w/ the drives on the ide cables, the whole nine yards. Nothing helped. Suddenly, the HD started 'clunking' ominously. Went and got a 'new' 1.2GB HD from the local computer shack for about $10-15, and magically everything worked perfectly. Played around w/ it for a while, messed w/ RH 6.2 on the system. Now trying Debian 2.2r2 on it, and it worked ok, other than it took literally a day or so for it to crunch it's way thru the secondary install. Ended up rebooting and installing the packages from dselect. But, again, one CD wouldn't be recognized. It was an extra, so I wasn't too worried. Now I'm to the point where ~50% of my CD's aren't recognized in the drive, regardless of whether they are Debian install CD's, RedHat, CDRW's, music CD's, whatever. Anyone w/ a good idea of WTF is going on her please let me know. I'm at the end of my rope on this one. This box is about one hop from the trash dumpster if it doesn't get fixed soon. I've already expended far more in time/effort/material than what the stupid thing is worth. Right now the only thing keeping me working on it is a grudge match sort of thing ;) TIA, Monte
Re: funky hardware problem
- Original Message - From: Stefan Srdic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Monte Milanuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: funky hardware problem Well, your running an Pentium class system so that rules out improper jumper settings on the hard drive controller :-D Try to put the CD-ROM on its own IDE channel and configure it as the master device. If that doesn't work try to diable the CD-ROM in the system BIOS and then let Linux try to detect the device. Try passing a few arguments to LILO at boot time (ex: ide1=autotune hdc=cdrom) and see what happens. Stef I haven't tried passing any arguments to LILO (yet); I may have to try that when I get home from work. But as far as which drive is where: hda -- 1.2GB HD hdb -- nothing hdc -- 24X CDROM hdd -- ZIP 100 I have played around w/ every conceivable variation, and fiddled w/ the bios as well. This is the only 'pattern' that boots w/i 2-3 hours ;) Thanks, Monte
Re: Aaaarrrgggghhh!!!!
Eric G . Miller wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 10:37:17PM -0700, Monte Milanuk wrote: Eric G . Miller wrote: # Card 1: (serial identifier b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e) # Vendor Id CSC6835, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0xB6. # Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.1 # ANSI string --CS4236B-- This would indicate the accelerated cs4232. I think I have more/less the same thing... Whoops! Sorry. I searched for 'cs4236' and forgot to try 'CS4236'. My bad. Ummm... didn't see anything in xconfig for a cs4236 driver... course, it's been one of those weeks :( Maybe need to enable experimental drivers? Ahh, just looking and was thinking of Crystal Soundfusion (CS4280/CS461x). It came up in my head because there's some connection with the CS4611 PCI audio accelerator (which I have, but doesn't work with that driver). Whee! It says: modprobe sound, insmod ad1848, insmod uart401, insmod cs4232 io=* irq=* dma=* dma2=* and it gives nominal values, same as you gave. (about the only thing that is tickling my brain at this point is it refers to the io=0x534 being the same as the 'Windows Sound System' -- do I need to compile in the Microsoft Sound system module to kick this thing in gear?). Tried that. Still didn't work. Same document No you don't want generic WSS (only 8-bit I think). says if this doesnt work, need to use Linux PnP. So, I look in xconfig. Yes, I enabled Plug-n-Pray. It says to check out pnpdump, isapnp, and isapnp.conf. So, I dug a bit thru the manpages for those PNP shouldn't be required (though I've done it with both with no difference -- 'cept some isapnp settings will make the sound worse like in WSS mode). Whoohoo! Looking good! So I do a quick rmmod to remove my still uninitialized cs4232 module, and then do another 'insmod cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0'. And this is what I got for my troubles: ishamael:/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound# insmod cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 Using /lib/modules/2.2.18/misc/cs4232.o I ended up (as before) having to do a Cntrl+'c' to kill it to get my computer back. I tried io=0x220 as well, hoping(praying) for SB compatibility, something. Nada. /bash head against desk Any idea's suggestions, I'm open to 'em. Ugh, this is almost like work!! Maybe consider forking over a couple bucks for a couple SB LIVE soundcards? I understand they're dirt cheap and work well for what they do. I don't understand why your machine would get stuck. Do you have your BIOS set to PNP OS? If so, turn it off. Think I've told you 'bout all I could think of. Well, I _have_ a Soundblaster AWE64, and a Soundblaster16(dunno if this one works -- I 'inherited' it). I'd tried the AWE64 awhile back, and it seemed like things didn't want to play nicely, even w/ the onboard sound disabled in the BIOS. The main reasons I've been trying to get the onboard sound working is a) the principle of the thing, and b) I've had it working under RH w/ sndconfig (though w/ that damn 'pop'), and flawlessly under SuSE 6.4 w/ the OSS/commercial drivers and SuSE 7.0/Mandrake 7.2 w/ whatever drivers they use. Unfortunately, I never dug around to see 'how', since things just 'worked'. Thanks for all your help, Eric. I really appreciate it. Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Aaaarrrgggghhh!!!!
--- Peter Hugosson-Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you still have them, why don't you try to see if those OSS/commercial drivers work together with Debian? I for one would be _very_ interested to know if that works - it would probably be cheaper to buy commercial drivers for the card I have than to buy a new card (what do they charge BTW?). Oh, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't work w/ the current kernel. You see, part of the reason I used SuSE for so long was the _excellent_ sound support. But, on SuSE 6.4, when the kernel was updated ( when the 2.2 kernel had that nasty vulnerability in it a while back), my sound stopped working. Two things: a) SuSE was shipping a slightly dated version of the OSS drivers (something like 3.7.x vs 3.9.x which was current at the time) b) the drivers were compiled for a specific kernel (2.2.13, I think). So when the updated kernel came out from SuSE, guess what. My sound broke. Their (SuSE) answer? Tough. Either stay w/ the old (vulnerable) kernel, or use the newer kernel drivers (like I'm trying to now), or try out ALSA, which didn't work for me at the time, but that may have been entirely due to my own incompetency. I ended up buying the drivers from OSS for the new kernel. I think it costs like $20. You can get free download versions that are limited to a couple hours at a time, i.e. load the module, and two hours later, it auto-unloads, or something like that. That way you can make sure the driver works on your system. I'm just not sure I like the idea of the driver being tied that closely to a specific kernel revision. I could understand a driver for the 2.2.x series not working on a 2.4.x kernel, but one for 2.2.13 not working on 2.2.15 was a bit hard to swallow. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Aaaarrrgggghhh!!!!
Oh, hell. I hate it when I have to retract a statement like this. Looks like I was _very_ wrong (big surprise there, huh?) about the OSS drivers. Either I didn't find this page before, or the info wasn't as _blatantly_ obvious as it is now (possibility). But, in any event, here it is: http://www.4front-tech.com/linux-x86.html It discusses how to deal w/ kernel version incompatibilities by enabling mod_versions during kernel config. One curiosity, though, is the section where it talks about the drivers tendency to not like things like the 'ac-xx) patch modifications, in that it looks at the name and only looks for the base kernel release, and doesn't recognize stuff like Alan Cox's patches. Wonder how it does w/ Debians make-kpkg and the naming conventions. May have to leave off the '--revision=custom.x.x) bit. I may d/l and try this tonite. Figure it can't be any worse than what I've gone thru already. Monte = Here, catch! Don't worry, it won't bite...BBPPP!!!...much snicker What an unsuspecting mechanic hears as he learns to never, ever, play 'Catch' with a bored electrician ;) Monte Milanuk __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Aaaarrrgggghhh!!!!
Phillip Deackes wrote: I bought a motherboard with the KT133 chipset and AC97 on-board sound. Since I only had an old SoundBlaster ISA card, and I needed to use the one ISA slot on the new board for a SCSI scanner card, I decided to give the AC97 chip a chance. Basically I read what I could on the 'net, and found I was spending so much time looking for the right way to do it, that I decided to go ahead and buy the commercial OSS drivers. I must say, the process was so easy - filled in the info on the web site, received the license file within a couple of minutes and had the whole thing installed inside of 5 minutes. The sound quality is better than my old SounBlaster 16 card too. Excellent! They charge for the basic OSS utility then you pay extra for the module for your particular sound card/chipset. The cost was 15 USD for each, 30 USD total. AS you say, probably cheaper than buying a new card. I recently upgraded to the 2.4 kernel, and was able to download the 2.4-compatible driver from their website at no charge. I'd be interested in knowing _how_ you got it to work on a Debian box? Did you recompile your kernel? According to the OSS docs, - Debian Linux (most versions) The kernel image shipped with many Debian releases differs from the standard kernels. For this reason OSS will need the sndshield module to be rebuilt in your system. Unfortunately this may fail because the directory structure of Debian differes from all other Linux distributions. It goes on to refer to how to deal with this under 'Solving sndshield version incompatibilities', but never really addresses the Debian situation. I'm thinking that the Soundblaster AWE64 is getting awfully close to ending up in this machine. Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Aaaarrrgggghhh!!!!
Eric G . Miller wrote:
# Card 1: (serial identifier b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e)
# Vendor Id CSC6835, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0xB6.
# Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.1
# ANSI string --CS4236B--
This would indicate the accelerated cs4232.
I think I have more/less the same thing...
Whoops! Sorry. I searched for 'cs4236' and forgot to try 'CS4236'. My
bad.
So, I think you want to stick with the cs4232 module, but perhaps you
weren't getting some modules loaded correctly. Try:
1) Edit /etc/modutils/aliases to have:
alias char-major-14 soundcore
alias sound-slot-0 cs4232
alias sound-service-0-0 cs4232 # mixer
alias sound-service-0-3 cs4232 # /dev/dsp /dev/audio
alias sound-service-0-4 cs4232 # ditto
alias sound-service-0-6 sound # /dev/sndstat
options sound dmabuf=1
options cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0
2) Run update-modules
3) Run modprobe cs4232
If that doesn't do it, try the cs4236 driver with more or less the same
configuration s/cs4232/cs4236/.
Ummm... didn't see anything in xconfig for a cs4236 driver... course,
it's been one of those weeks :(
bash head against desk
Okay. This is getting silly. I've been doing all this module loading,
probing, removing, tweaking, kernel compiling, etc. And while it looks
pretty straight forward, I don't feel a whole heck of a lot closer to a
functional sound system here. I downloaded the 2.2.18 kernel in the
hopes of better support for my sound chip. I set things up during
xconfig to compile cs4232 support as a module (can't find anything like
cs4236). Did the whole make-kpkg thing (veeerrry nice!). Made a boot
disk, took a deep breath, and rebooted. No sound. Crap. I go back to
/usr/src/linux (soft-linked to linux-2.2.18), run 'make xconfig' again.
_doublechecked_ for cs4236. Looked at cs4232 a little closer. Found
the reference to look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/cs4232.
Whee! It says: modprobe sound, insmod ad1848, insmod uart401, insmod
cs4232 io=* irq=* dma=* dma2=* and it gives nominal values, same as you
gave. (about the only thing that is tickling my brain at this point is
it refers to the io=0x534 being the same as the 'Windows Sound System'
-- do I need to compile in the Microsoft Sound system module to kick
this thing in gear?). Tried that. Still didn't work. Same document
says if this doesnt work, need to use Linux PnP. So, I look in
xconfig. Yes, I enabled Plug-n-Pray. It says to check out pnpdump,
isapnp, and isapnp.conf. So, I dug a bit thru the manpages for those
three items. I ended up doing: 'pnpdump -c' to load the data that
pnpdump gleaned into the /etc/isapnp.conf file. Then I did: 'isapnp
/etc/isapnp.conf' and got this encouraging message:
ishamael:/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound# isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf
Board 1 has Identity b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e: CSC6835 Serial No -1
[checksum b6]
CSC6835/-1[0]{WSS/SB }: Ports 0x534 0x388 0x220; IRQ5 DMA1
DMA0 --- Enabled OK
CSC6835/-1[1]{Game}: Port 0x3A0; --- Enabled OK
CSC6835/-1[2]{Ctrl}: Port 0xF00; --- Enabled OK
CSC6835/-1[3]{MPU }: Port 0x330; --- Enabled OK
ishamael:/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound#
Whoohoo! Looking good! So I do a quick rmmod to remove my still
uninitialized cs4232 module, and then do another 'insmod cs4232 io=0x534
irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0'. And this is what I got for my troubles:
ishamael:/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound# insmod cs4232 io=0x534
irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0
Using /lib/modules/2.2.18/misc/cs4232.o
I ended up (as before) having to do a Cntrl+'c' to kill it to get my
computer back. I tried io=0x220 as well, hoping(praying) for SB
compatibility, something. Nada.
/bash head against desk
Any idea's suggestions, I'm open to 'em. Ugh, this is almost like
work!!
TIA,
Monte
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Help! Wrecking my system trying to get sound
Help! That said, here's the scenario: I've been back and forth btwn distros a bit in the last few months. I've finally settled on Debian for now, and I really need to get sound up and working. I have previously used sndconfig in RedHat, so I pointed my sources.list to unstable and installed sndconfig, which proceeded to lock my system up hard. I put my sources.list back to stable, and I've dug thru the Sound-HOWTO and what not, but everything seems to assume that I know the hardware addresses for the sound card. This is on a Dell OptiPlex GX1 w/ onboard Crystal CS4236B sound chip. I've tried using sample hardware settings that I've found here, and on Deja, but nothing works, and about half the time, I lock the system up hard again. I need some kind of assistance soon. If anyone has any ideas or is willing to walk me thru this, I'd greatly appreciated it. Monte Help! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Help! Wrecking my system trying to get sound
--- Eric G . Miller egm2@jps.net wrote: You might try the new cs4236 driver in 2.2.17/2.2.18 kernels. I can't say if it's built by default in the Debian kernel images. You can probably find out most of the info you need for the driver by using lspci (probably need to know I/O port, IRQ, and the two dma channels). If that driver doesn't work, the cs4232 one might. I've been trying the cs4232.o module because of what I'd read various places. But I keep getting errors like (not at that box right now): /lib/modules/2.2.18pre1/cs4232.o device or resource busy /lib/modules/2.2.18pre1/cs4232.o failed to install module And when I _did_ try sndconfig, it spit out some message about needing to set synthio and sythirq using the wavefront facility. I found a wavefront.o module, but I also read somewhere on Deja that the synthio business was just for some Turtle Beach sound boards? So... I need to go get the latest 2.2.x kernel, compile it, and during config look for either a cs4236(preferably) or cs4232 module to install. Do I still need the hardware parameters to feed to it? I take it this 'lspci' is what I'd use to interrogate the motherboard for the needed info? Would you recommend compiling the driver as a module, or straight into the kernel? Thanks for the help, Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Help! Wrecking my system trying to get sound
--- Eric G . Miller egm2@jps.net wrote: Yea I'd grab a copy of 2.2.18 from ftp.kernel.org (or suitable mirror) and try the cs4226 module (I recall it showed up in 2.2.17 and is for these newer mobo/soundcard jobs). You still probably want to try lspci to get I/O, IRQ and DMA parameters. It's easier to test different parameters if you compile as a module. To make it easier, you might compile sound support directly into the kernel, but just make the cs4236 module separate. Then maybe something like: $ insmod cs4236 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1,0 Check the documentation in kernel/Documentation/sound for some hints. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any info on this module specifically. The best source for the module parameters would be the MoBo documentation (but I'm sure Dell didn't provide it...). Luck, -- Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net Thanks! I'll start on that when I get home tonite. The kernel download is going to take a _long_ while, as I have a slow phone line. Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Help! Wrecking my system trying to get sound
Eric G . Miller wrote: Yea I'd grab a copy of 2.2.18 from ftp.kernel.org (or suitable mirror) and try the cs4226 module (I recall it showed up in 2.2.17 and is for these newer mobo/soundcard jobs). You still probably want to try lspci to get I/O, IRQ and DMA parameters. It's easier to test different parameters if you compile as a module. To make it easier, you might compile sound support directly into the kernel, but just make the cs4236 module separate. Then maybe something like: $ insmod cs4236 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1,0 Check the documentation in kernel/Documentation/sound for some hints. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any info on this module specifically. The best source for the module parameters would be the MoBo documentation (but I'm sure Dell didn't provide it...). Umm... this is making me nervous... lspci shows my NIC and my video adapter (both onboard) but not the sound. Any ideas? ishamael:/home/monte# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) 00:0f.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21152 (rev 03) 00:11.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Help! Wrecking my system trying to get sound
Eric G . Miller wrote:
I don't know. Maybe it'll show up as an ISAPNP device (mine shows up
under both, though only the controller shows up as a PCI device). These
on board things are a little weird. Try pnpdump.
Here is the output of pnpdump. It is kinda long, but no mention of a
CS4236 anywhere. I'd turn off the stupid onboard sound and just stick
in a spare Sounblaster AWE64, but the kids machine upstairs has the same
video and sound setup (ATI Rage Pro and CS4236) so I'd like to get it
hammered out here before I convert his box from RH 6.2 to Debian 2.2r2.
Still downloading the kernel...
Monte
# $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.21 1999/12/09 22:28:33 fox Exp $
# Release isapnptools-1.21 (library isapnptools-1.21)
#
# This is free software, see the sources for details.
# This software has NO WARRANTY, use at your OWN RISK
#
# For details of the output file format, see isapnp.conf(5)
#
# For latest information and FAQ on isapnp and pnpdump see:
# http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/
#
# Compiler flags: -DREALTIME -DNEEDSETSCHEDULER -DABORT_ONRESERR
# (for library: -DREALTIME -DNEEDSETSCHEDULER -DABORT_ONRESERR)
#
# Trying port address 0273
# Board 1 has serial identifier b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e
# (DEBUG)
(READPORT 0x0273)
(ISOLATE PRESERVE)
(IDENTIFY *)
(VERBOSITY 2)
(CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING
# Card 1: (serial identifier b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e)
# Vendor Id CSC6835, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0xB6.
# Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.1
# ANSI string --CS4236B--
#
# Logical device id CSC
# Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3b
# Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3c
# Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3e
# Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3f
#
# Edit the entries below to uncomment out the configuration required.
# Note that only the first value of any range is given, this may be
changed if required
# Don't forget to uncomment the activate (ACT Y) when happy
(CONFIGURE CSC6835/-1 (LD 0
# ANSI string --WSS/SB--
# Multiple choice time, choose one only !
# Start dependent functions: priority preferred
# First DMA channel 1 or 3.
# 8 bit DMA only
# Logical device is a bus master
# DMA may execute in count by byte mode
# DMA may not execute in count by word mode
# DMA channel speed type A
# (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1))
# Next DMA channel 0, 1 or 3.
# 8 bit DMA only
# Logical device is a bus master
# DMA may execute in count by byte mode
# DMA may not execute in count by word mode
# DMA channel speed type A
# (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 0))
# IRQ 5, 7 or 9.
# High true, edge sensitive interrupt (by default)
# (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E)))
# Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
# Minimum IO base address 0x0534
# Maximum IO base address 0x0608
# IO base alignment 212 bytes
# Number of IO addresses required: 4
# (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0534))
# Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
# Minimum IO base address 0x0388
# Maximum IO base address 0x0388
# IO base alignment 8 bytes
# Number of IO addresses required: 4
# (IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388))
# Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
# Minimum IO base address 0x0220
# Maximum IO base address 0x0240
# IO base alignment 32 bytes
# Number of IO addresses required: 16
# (IO 2 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
# Start dependent functions: priority acceptable
# First DMA channel 0, 1 or 3.
# 8 bit DMA only
# Logical device is a bus master
# DMA may execute in count by byte mode
# DMA may not execute in count by word mode
# DMA channel speed type A
# (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 0))
# IRQ 5, 7, 9, 11, 12 or 15.
# High true, edge sensitive interrupt (by default)
# (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E)))
# Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
# Minimum IO base address 0x0534
# Maximum IO base address 0x0ffc
# IO base alignment 4 bytes
# Number of IO addresses required: 4
# (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0534))
# Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
# Minimum IO base address 0x0388
# Maximum IO base address 0x03f0
# IO base alignment 8 bytes
# Number of IO addresses required: 4
# (IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388))
# Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
# Minimum IO base address 0x0220
# Maximum IO base address 0x0260
# IO base alignment 16 bytes
# Number of IO addresses required: 16
# (IO 2 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
# End dependent functions
(NAME CSC6835/-1[0]{WSS/SB })
# (ACT Y)
))
Re: why use Debian?
Martin J . Hillyer wrote: Well, these geezer reminscences have probably put everyone to sleep; now back to your usual programming... Hey, it's nice to know that at least some of the people I talk to aren't half my age (and able to run circles around me on Linux :( ). Some of these stories get interesting. I'm waiting for someone to pipe up that has been computing so long that they had to bang two rocks together to get a '1'! There's one in every crowd! ;p Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Why choose Debian?
Steve R. Hastings wrote: I am interested in why people prefer Debian to other Linux distributions. Please explain the top few reasons why you chose Debian rather than something else. It's almost embarrasing. I've been putzing around w/ Linux since around '95 or so, and I still haven't done many of the things I need/want to do with it (like Samba/DNS/DHCP/NIS, etc). Back in 1994 or so, I had a P90 that came w/ Win 3.11 on it, and a friend (I use the term loosely here) told me he had this great program, neatest thing he'd ever seen. I'd love it, he assured me. Plus, he knew that even then, I kinda liked messing w/ beta software, since they usually had enough functionality and were free. The hell he unleashed on my computer was a beta of Win95!! It was kinda pretty, at least compared to Win 3.11 (never used OS/2 or a Mac), but it didn't like my games, so how do we get rid of it? What, I have to wipe the hard drive?!!? Ok. Turns out I lost all the cool 'meet your computer' thingies GW2K put on there. After that, I got pretty good at reformatting and rebuilding my computer. Windows games are good at messing up a running system. Later, a friend of mine heard me talking about how I'd like to learn C/C++, but couldn't afford M$ Visual C++. So he started telling me about Linux. Sounded too good to be true. I eventually found a copy of Slackware at a mom-n-pop computer store (this place carried about everything that Walnut Creek put out, including FreeBSD). The earliest kernel I remember was something like 1.2.13 or so. But X didn't like my then-bleeding-edge Matrox Millenium, and fvwm was butt-ugly (fast, but ugly). So I stayed w/ Windows. I started doing more and more stuff w/ Linux, and I've tried Slackware, RedHat, SuSE, Caldera, Mandrake, TurboLinux, and maybe a few others. SuSE is nice, but getting kind of snobby towards the small home user base, IMHO. RedHat is fine for me. Has always worked pretty good. Caldera just didn't turn me on, for some reason. Same for TurboLinux. Mandrake makes me feel like I've lost control of the system. Slackware is just too much work, w/ the old *.tgz files ;) I'm making a go of Debian for a while, since the apt-get system makes the most sense. RedHat (or SuSE) w/ the rpm apt-get would be _very_ tempting for me, but I don't see them doing it initially, anyway, because it would eat into RHN, and SuSE seems to be trying to get away from yast1 (which works) for yast2 (which doesn't work). Mandrake would have to scrap it's time invested in urpmi, but it may happen. Until then, Debian's apt-get seems the best idea for the moment. I was told that Debian is always out of date, slow to adapt. And it seemed true: here the Linux 2.4 kernel was just around the corner, and Debian had only just released Potato, with 2.2! But as I kept reading the web, I began to realize that with the apt-get tools, anyone who had wanted 2.2 had been running it for a long time, and in fact it was easy to stay updated with current stuff. I can run stable for servers and testing for my desktop. Debian isn't behind the times! I too, had a lot of internal debate over the state of most of the apps in the debian stable tree. And I've had terrible luck w/ woody when it was unstable, so I'm probably going to wait til it's 'frozen'. But one thing I did realize: Once I get a given linux box roughly where I want it, I don't update a whole lot just for the sake of updating (christ, it was hard enough to get set up in the first place ;p ) unless it is a serious bug/security hole. And setting apt-get to track the security update tree covers that, at least for software that isn't in /usr/local. So I jumped in, and I'm still trying to get things working, but I'm convinced that Debian is for me. Sounds oh-so familiar ;) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Problems w/ adduser... says user 'root' doesn't exist!
I'm a bit confused here... I used dselect to install CUPS and it's dependent packages, but no config program, which seemed odd. I used links to browse the documentation in /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian. It said that cups was almost setup, but due to a bug in adduser, it hadn't added root to the necessary group lpadmin yet, and I had to do it manually. I checked the manpage for adduser, and it says that when adduser is called w/ two non-option parameters, it will try to add the first paramater (username) to the second (group name). So I tried the following: ishamael:/# adduser root lpadmin adduser: The user `root' doesn't exist. ishamael:/# Now it seems odd that 'root' doesn't exist, especially since I'm trying to do this as root!! Any suggestions are very welcome TIA, Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Problems w/ adduser... says user 'root' doesn't exist!
Ethan Benson wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 06:38:21PM -0700, Monte Milanuk wrote: I'm a bit confused here... I used dselect to install CUPS and it's dependent packages, but no config program, which seemed odd. I used links to browse the documentation in /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian. It said that cups was almost setup, but due to a bug in adduser, it hadn't added root to the necessary group lpadmin yet, and I had to do it manually. I checked the manpage for adduser, and it says that when adduser is called w/ two non-option parameters, it will try to add the first paramater (username) to the second (group name). So I tried the following: ishamael:/# adduser root lpadmin adduser: The user `root' doesn't exist. ishamael:/# Now it seems odd that 'root' doesn't exist, especially since I'm trying to do this as root!! adduser gets confused about root for some reason. why do you need to add root to this group? root can read/write anything anyway so there really isn't much of a reason to... if there is though: gpasswd -a root lpadmin Good point... I was just being silly and following the CUPS documents. After reading your post, I just did: adduser monte lpadmin which works just fine ;) Thanks, Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Stupid question
On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:21:02PM +0100, Gary Jones wrote: Okay, stupid question time. What is the best way of connecting to the 'net? I don't mean the mechanicals, which connection type to use, that sort of thing, but rather which account(s) should do so. Preferably I don't want to connect as root, but some things (e.g. collecting mail or news) might be better done as root or might /need/ to be done as root, or at least some specific user with the right permissions which might be different for the different tasks. What's the best thing to do? I've never really seen a decent discussion about this, since I started fiddling about with Linux (on and off, about 2 years). -- Well, I think you should just continue doing things as a regular user. I get my mail via fetchmail --run as a regular user. It delivers my mail via procmail using the 'mda' keyword in the config file. I use sendmail to get my mail, kindly configured by the install-sendmail script, and run 'postconnect /usr/sbin/sendmail -q' from the tail end of my .fetchmailrc. So all my mail is fetched and sent in one fell swoop. News may be a bit different; I don't know if ordinary users can run the 'fetchnews' command from leafnode. In any event, you should be able to either run these periodically from a cron script as root for news or if you are doing multidrop fetchmail, or from the ppp up and down scripts. What user you connect to the net with otherwise shouldn't matter, I think. Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: apt-get sources.list
Well... This is what I have in my /etc/apt/sources.list file. FWIW, I wonder why you ar adding anything to the file. The first section in the file already has the necessary entries already made, just commented out. Just delete the '#' and save the file, and do an 'apt-get update'. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free HTH, Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: MY SQL
Either dselect, and from the package selection screen, do a search for mysql, and note the package name, and any other related ones you may want (documentation, frontends, whatever), then exit back to the command line. Do 'apt-get install package name 1 package name 2' and sit back and relax while it installs. The version on the Potato CD's is 3.22, not the most recent, but I think more so than the v6.5 for PostgreSQL :( Monte --- James Preece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK start from scratch. I have installed it I think, just need some help. Is there a way to get this installed using dselect or apt-get (CAPT) I have ad a look at the www.mysql.org pages but these do not seem to be specifically for debian. Could you point me to the doc's for debian or add your two pence's worth. Cheers James. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
De-selecting tasks?
Hello, all. I have a basic ( I hope) question on the 'task's that are available in Debian. Doing an 'apt-get install task-kde' installs KDE2 and all the dependencies (provided the sources.list is set up). But 'apt-get remove task-kde' seems to just remove the relatively small package 'task-kde', not all the packages installed by the task, which is what I want it to do. Is there a simple way of doing this? I read thru the apt-get man page; but it's entirely possible I may have missed something. If it's in a specific man page, please let me know. TIA, Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: Resolve.conf
Well, just a guess, but I might check your /etc/inetd.conf, and your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files. Might be something awry there. Monte James Preece wrote: OK I have got that back in now Thanks. I can not seem to get remote access to my box, seems like no telnet, no ping answers. access from the box is fine. any ideas please anyone ?? Cheers _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: X over the network was: Re: 386 install
Check out www.ltsp.org for the Linux Terminal Server Project Monte --- Pap Tibor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Daniel Reuter wrote: uwm). If you have a network connection, you could run X over the network and use the machine as terminal. How can you do that? I thought X server must run on the same machine where the display and keyboard is, and you can run X programs on any other machine using your X server. But in this case the X server uses your local machine's memory which is so low. --Tibor Pap -.Sig e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null = Here, catch! Don't worry, it won't bite...BBPPP!!!...much snicker What an unsuspecting mechanic hears as he learns to never, ever, play 'Catch' with a bored electrician ;) Monte Milanuk __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
bad task-x-window-system-core in Woody?
Hello, I am trying to get an up-to-date Woody system running, and I basically did a bare minimum install of 2.2r0, then did an apt-get dist-upgrade to Woody, and now I'm trying to install X, but when I do 'apt-get install task-x-window-system-core' I get an error about how the task depends on xbase-clients, but it's not getting installed, so apt stops. The complete x window task doesn't have this problem, so I would guess the issue lies w/ the x-window-system-core task? I set the system to downloading the complete x-window task during work today, but anyother ideas would be welcome? How do I check and see if a bug report has already been submitted on this? Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
'Stable' tracks 2.2r0, 2.2r1,...?
Hello, A simple question here: If I have a machine that is using apt-get to stay in sync w/ the security updates and bug fixes in stable, does this automatically keep it up w/ the latest stable version? i.e., my install cd's were 2.2r0. Now 2.2r1 is out. Soon (hopefully) 2.2r2 will be out. Will apt-get automatically keep up w/ the latest stable release, using the default settings for stable in /etc/apt/sources.list, or do I need to change something? I would hope/think that it would, I am just looking for a confirmation from someone who knows. Thanks, Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
Simple apt-get question
Hello, I've installed Debian 2.2r0, and did all the steps (I think) to get the necessary security updates and what not. I installed PostgreSQL to work with, and I noticed that it said that it was version 6.5 or so, and to just grab the newer package from the unstable tree. So my question is, how do I go about grabbing just _one_ package, and of course, any dependencies (as few as possible, I hope. I have a very slow dial-up connection) from the unstable branch when my /etc/apt.sources.list is set up for the stable tree? Monte __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
need quick pointer for sound config
Hello, all. I am getting to that point where I need to get the sound running on one of my boxes. It is running Debian 2.2, updated against the stable tree. The machine in question is a Dell OptiPlex GX1 w/ onboard sound (CS4236), video, and nic. I was able to get the sound originally to work in SuSE 6.4 using OSS. Once SuSE updated their kernel for 6.4 to 2.2.16, the version of OSS that came w/ the boxed set no longer worked. Alsa didn't seem to want to work properly, even downloading some of the more recent versions, so I am somewhat leery of trying alsa again. I got the sound working in RedHat 6.2, but it gave a really annoying pop at the start of every new sound. What specifically do I need to do to get sound for this box working? Is everything in the Sound-HOWTO? As far as some of the irq's and dma addresses, how do I figure those out if I don't have windows on a given machine? Thanks for your time, Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Some minor mail problems w/ Debian 2.2
Glyn Millington wrote: On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 01:29:38PM +0400, thus spake Rino Mardo: hmm, fetchmail uses ETRN and not SMTP (port 25). debian 2.2 with exim works fine out of the box so why compound the problem? what is it your trying to accomplish? yes by default SMTP uses port 25. um, what's the problem anyway? Well there appear to be two problems! One is answered here #man fetchmail . fetches mail from remote mailservers and forwards it to your local (client) machine's delivery system. The fetchmail program can gather mail from servers sup porting any of the common mail-retrieval protocols: POP2, POP3, IMAP2bis, IMAP4, and IMAPrev1. It can also use the ESMTP ETRN extension. (The RFCs describing all these pro tocols are listed at the end of this manual page.) While fetchmail is primarily intended to be used over on- demand TCP/IP links (such as SLIP or PPP connections), it may also be useful as a message transfer agent for sites which refuse for security reasons to permit (sender-initi ated) SMTP transactions with sendmail. As each message is retrieved fetchmail normally delivers it via SMTP to port 25 on the machine it is running on (localhost), just as though it were being passed in over a normal TCP/IP link. The mail will then be delivered locally via your system's MDA (Mail Delivery Agent, usu ally sendmail(8) but your system may use a different one such as smail, mmdf, exim, or qmail). All the delivery- control mechanisms (such as .forward files) normally available through your system MDA and local delivery agents will therefore work. The other problem is with the question - what is he trying to acheive?? A bit like life really.. Peace! Glyn M -- ** * The soul is greater than the hum of its parts. * * Douglas Hoftstatder* ** -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Well, sorry folks, for being tardy on getting back with you. I found out the hard way that the Debian Install Guide wasn't kidding about /etc (among other things) being pretty much the property of dselect/apt/dpkg, etc. I had been farting around w/ exim, sendmail, masqmail, postfix, etc., and noticed that when I had masqmail installed, there were a _lot_ of files in /etc/ and /var/ that belonged to postfix and exim, even when they weren't installed. Well, I'll just rm those suckers. Whoops. Not a good idea. I later reinstalled postfix, and debconf errored out, cause those files weren't there. Same w/ exim. Well, rather than dink around trying to figure out what package _did_ install those files, since the MTA they went to obviously didn't, and since I didn't have a lot of time and effort sunk into my system yet, I opted to take another tour thru the lovely Debian installation program ;). Except I forgot that I actually had some useful stuff on my /home partition, and wiped it. :( So I am pretty much lost my whole archive of messages from all the mailing lists I follow. Talk about getting your fingers rapped! Ouch!! Well, now that I have my mail kinda sorta operational again, using Communicator, here is some answers to some of the issues/questions you kind folks have asked: I used to use sendmail plus a script called install-sendmail to set up sendmail fetchmail, to retrieve my mail from Yahoo!, and send new mail w/ the headers written properly as being from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Netscape by itself, even w/ '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in the From: field in Preferences, would pop up '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in one of the mail fields, which would cause someone's spam filter on the SuSE list to kick in, and some other people just plain got irate. So I used the script, sendmail, and fetchmail instead. Quick, simple, painless). Unfortunately, the Debian install of sendmail doesn't seem to jive w/ the install-sendmail script, so that rules out sendmail, as I am _not_ masochistic enough to want to configure that critter otherwise. Exim would work fine, I guess, but I was initially having a bit of trouble (I guess I still am) figuring out _exactly_ what I need to change where, for my situation: essentially a home dialup system, w/ a local username different from the username on my mail account. Postfix does seem to have a fair bit of documentation that addresses that specifically, so I'll probably pursue that next. The problem I think I had w/ fetchmail not being able to deliver to the localhost smtp port was w/ masqmail, not exim. Masqmail is the other finalist for my situation, at least as I currently see it: it is a simple,
Some minor mail problems w/ Debian 2.2
Hello all, I've recently started using Debian 2.2, and I'm having a few weird mail issues popping up. If anyone could provide some assistance, or nudge me in the direction of some specific spot in the documentation, I'd appreciate it greatly. 1) Added the sources for the online repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list, did the apt-get upgrade thing, and am happily using Netscape 4.75 -- w/ one exception. When I enter the information for the pop/smtp server that I receive/send mail from, I cannot get any new mail. When I click on the 'Get Messages' icon, it(Netscape) tells me that I have no new messages. Like heck I don't! At the time I had something like 200+ messages on my Yahoo! account. I've set this up in the past on other systems (Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat), and I'd be interested on why it doesn't seem to be functional on Debian. 2) I have exim installed currently. I tried sendmail, as my previous setup had been sendmail + install-sendmail (a perl setup script), which had been pretty painless, and had gotten everything delivered w/ the right addresses and whatnot, plus setup fetchmail easily. I tried doing the same setup on Debian, and it doesn't seem to get along real well w/ the install-sendmail script. Since I'm not masochistic enought to want to edit sendmail for my simple home setup, I was looking towards masqmail, but I need to know what I need to do to get it to accept mails from fetchmail. I read thru the docs, but something wasn't working right, because fetchmail couldn't get a response on port 25. 3) After setting up fetchmail, and running it, I seem to be getting a bunch of mails (so far over a dozen) which show up in Netscape as having no title, being from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (me), and the header is displayed as part of the message. As such, the Netscape filters don't move them to the appropriate folders correctly. What could be causing this? Thanks for your time, and any help is greatly appreciated, Monte _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
