Re: Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer
far, thanks again for all the infos sent to me. Nicola On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 10:52:50AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:47:25AM +0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Thanks a lot for helping, Hubert and Joachim and Oliver. I wish they were still producing those Kyocera :-( (I'll try some phone calls anyway tomorrow err... this morning.) It's starting to be a bit painful to make a choice, I'd like to just go and get it tomorrow morning... maybe. I just noticed that groff default output is Adobe Postscrip 3, so common tools used in Linux assume PS3 (and I still have slink here, so it's been a while so far), which may be one more reason to renounce buying the Lexmark which has PS2... Man grops says that there is an option to get PS2. I have seldom seen PS3 output, in fact, there are many programs that use PS (original); I just don't see this as a problem. The only problem I have seen with the Lexmark is that they are not very good at all with envelopes. For a light duty printer, I like the NEC Superscript. Jim
Re: Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer
Thanks a lot for helping, Hubert and Joachim and Oliver. I wish they were still producing those Kyocera :-( (I'll try some phone calls anyway tomorrow err... this morning.) It's starting to be a bit painful to make a choice, I'd like to just go and get it tomorrow morning... maybe. I just noticed that groff default output is Adobe Postscrip 3, so common tools used in Linux assume PS3 (and I still have slink here, so it's been a while so far), which may be one more reason to renounce buying the Lexmark which has PS2... Yet Oliver Elphick seems to have no probls with PS2 and Linux: On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:02:10AM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: HP LaserJet 6MP has 2Mb standard Postscript 2014.108 (according to the test page). In normal terms that is PostScript 2. A new printer may support a later version - this one was made in 1996. Joachim either (quoted below) says no probls with the Kyocera 680FS which is unlike to be PS3. So the Lexmark may do. Well I confess that I was tempted by the PS3 option of the Epson EPL-5800 (which includes 16 more Megs RAM bringing it to 32)... but it is really 50% the price of the whole printer without it :-( sorrow So what about the just-PCL6 version of it?, 1200dpi 16Megs RAM 133MHz RISC (the Lexmark has a 67MHz one), at least I won't have to add ram to it. Ghostscript seems to have a PCL XL driver which is not just going to send a bitmap of the whole page to the printer in the gdi style. I could not just put a ...2ps filter... well I know nothing about printing with Linux, so far, I'll have to read docs and try. If I really don't get out, I could by the PS3 option later (possibly annoying, though, and a bit more expensive than starting with it). I'm thinking about the Epson _even_if_ :-/ this evening a friend of mine has told me that he had an Epson inkjet - Stylus Photo 500C or the like - which broke very soon and after being repaired _never_ worked fine :-O I wouldn't like that! so after bringing it for fixing again and again he renounced, he has just bought an HP 840C for at work they have HPs and they never break, my brother too has one and he's glad about it... _but_ the characteristics of the Laserjet 1100 are far below those of the Epson EPL-5800, practically at the same price (and exactly the same price of the Lexmark Optra E312, which seems to be superior anyway). On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:48:51AM +0200, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote: Try to get a Kyocera 680FS with PS option, they used to be quite cheap nowadays (Kyocera don't produce them any more). I've got one, and it (M... I have the catalog of a great hardware/software shop where lots of brandnames have their own guys... kind of a permanent expo... actually kyocera isn't mentioned... If they don't produce it anymore, are they going to maintain servicing?) works great here (using the CUPS packages from woody, but lpr/lprng worked too). I put some EDO-RAM from an older PC in to increase the memory. The Lexmark too accepts just standard EDO, don't know Brother, HP, Epson [guess not].) On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 11:37:23AM -0600, Hubert Chan wrote: I don't know if I'd recommend the HL-730. The construction isn't the greatest (I broke part of the output tray), it is meant to be a Windows printer (though the Ghostscript guys made a filter for it), and it seems to run out of toner rather quickly (at least compared to my old IBM laser printer, which we never had to replace the toner in the over 5 years that we had it). (Toner hungry compared to IBM [and Lexmark I'm told it's IBM], Ok, that Brother is definitely out.) For myself, I found that for text documents, 2MB was fine at 600dpi. I survived with 512KB at 300dpi. Usually, printers support some sort of compression, so you don't quite need as much RAM as you would think. About your other e-mail: I have 2MB of RAM on my printer. It doesn't support PostScript, so I filter using Ghostscript (well, actually apsfilter, which uses Ghostscript). HTH Ah ok, 2megs but _no_ PS... I guess interpreting PS may involve need of some more ram, actually the dépliant of the Lexmark shows a (tiny nearly invisible) warning about the fact that depending on the complexity of the documents to be printed some more ram may become indispensible. So far I'm for Epson. PCL6 (agh). Of course I'll check if anybody is selling/supporting Kyoceras (or if any equivalent still exists.) Thanks a lot again, Nicola
Re: Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer
Ooops, I forgot to ask both of you: 1) how much RAM do your respective printers have? 2) what Postscript version do they support? woud Postscript2 lack features that are supposed to be supported for currently-common Postscript docs/tools? Thanks a lot, Nicola -- If one day you find out that the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't working any more, (some)one of the following ones should be surviving: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer
Thanks a lot for replying, I'll check out what equivalents/evolutions have the Brother HL-730 and the HP LaserJet 6MP, I'll also investigate more on the Lexmark warranty and characteristic... but frankly speaking I'm seriously turning towards the 1200dpi Epson, crossed fingers for it not to break (to soon) and for the Epson service to be correct. Nicola (Below I'm just thinking aloud, just in case anybody has anything to add.) On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 04:25:46PM -0600, Hubert Chan wrote: Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] I guess a PCL-only printer would also do, maybe via Ghostscript as a translator, but what would it miss compared to a Postscript printer? I don't think you'd miss much. Setting up a PCL printer is a bit more work (at least until I discovered the apsfilter package), but you should be able to print anything out on it. It may be slower, because (AFAIK - so don't quote me on this) Ghostscript would print each page as a large bitmap. So Ghostscript (I'll check its docs and the ones of apsfilter) does _not_ translate to PCL, I see, kind of gdi at last :-( But it's not gdi, could it be worse, may that imply need of more RAM on the printer? And complex pages will be processed by your CPU instead of the printer, which may cause a bit of problems on a high-load machine, but you probably don't have to worry about that for normal text/music work. I have a Brother HL-730, and I haven't had any problems with it. It took some digging before I found out the right configuration to make it print at 600dpi, though. A general warning about printers: some claim to have PCL support, but only support PCL through a Windows software driver. Some (like my HL-730) will support PCL4 in hardware, and some higher level of PCL through software, which is annoying because PCL4 only allows up to 300dpi. :-O I have discarded the really-entry-level laser 600dpi printers for they are gdi-only (I don't have any idea of the state of the gdi driver on Linux but of course a printer with a language would do _much_ better), and their price is about 2/3 the price of the three printers I mentioned, so there are chances that these ones have the emulations builtin (why call them emulation and not just claim they support those languages? ah, maybe that's just as the matrix printer emulation, I mean just one among the possibilities, not _the_one_), this is pretty sure for the Epson but _not_so_sure_ for the other two, for which I couldn't get detailed specifications. _And_ I was thinking about the replacement warranty... I'll ask about it, but I guess that the contract does not say ... with a brandnew one, so I think that this option may be better for an office which is really using it heavily, I mean: if it gets replaced with another not-new one there aren't many chances that it has been working more than the replaced one. To me it would be frustrating to have - say after a few months - a printer that has been working hard for years and that already needed being repaired! _And_ if Epson gives the Adobe Postscript 3 option with additional 16Mbytes RAM and with such a high price... chances are that the Lexmark Postscript 2 could be a software emulation running on Mac and PC with PC=Windows. On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 10:36:09AM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: I have a Postscript printer, which is a HP LaserJet 6MP. I have been using it for 3 years with absolutely no trouble, or servicing! It will accept either Postscript or PCL, and produces excellent output. At the time I bought it it was as cheap as any other laser printer of similar capabilities.
Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer
Hello, Please CC to me any answer for I'm just on debian-laptop at the moment, but I have renounced buying a portable printer so I may get flamed if I ask there ;-) (not true of course, I've seen very nice hints on formatting and printing ascii files recently on debian-laptop). I am to buy an entry level monochrome laser printer (it seems as when it comes to text and music scores a 600dpi laser is better than any inkjet) and of course I'm looking for one that works with Debian. (I'll add some details just in case anybody else is interested in the matter, I'm in Paris, France, so I guess the prices are not so interesting on the list, anyway the three printers mentioned here are more or less the same price.) The Lexmark Optra E312 (600x600dpi, 4Mbytes RAM, 10ppm, 3 years replacement-at-home warranty, relatively cheap toner cartridge [5000 pages] with builtin photoconductor) claims Postscript2+pcl6 emulations. Could I just send to it the Postscript files produced with the tools commonly used in Linux? (It is not marked Adobe Postscript [and evidently not Adobe Postscript 3], is it some dialect from IBM?) I guess a PCL-only printer would also do, maybe via Ghostscript as a translator, but what would it miss compared to a Postscript printer? Actually, other candidates with PCL but no Postscript are: - Brother HL-P2500, 600x600dpi, 4Mbytes, 12ppm, 600dpi builtin scanner but of course just for sheets and in good health, relatively cheap toner cartridge (6000 pages) with no builtin photoconductor (2 pages), 1 year no replacement and of course not home serviced warranty; - Epson EPL-5800, 1200x1200dpi, 16Mbytes, more expensive fine grain toner (6000 pages) with no builtin photoconductor (2 pages), 1 year no replacement and of course not home serviced warranty, among the options there is Adobe Postscript 3.0 but the price is nearly 60% of the price without it! Thanks for any advice, Nicola Bernardelli
Re: smail, not open email relay
:-) Done, and with the new version the attrib you suggested is exactly what I needed :-) I put this link in /usr/lib: /usr/lib/libnsl.a - libident.a Compilation of smail-3.2.0.102-1 needed libnsl, none of the packages in the Debian1.3.1 binary CD contained such file, but I started thinking it could belong to a more recent bind/libident/libident-devel package... if none of the Debian1.3.1 packages had that library, maybe the required functions were already in some other libraries... I could eliminate -lnsl everywhere from the smail source tree, or just put that link. Notice: I had this warning at compile time (but it was not the only one): domain.c: In function nslookup': domain.c:119: warning: passing arg 7 of res_mkquery' from incompatible pointer type _THANK_YOU_ Martin (I would be going mad on the docs of the old smail version without your clue, assuming that smail, conceived for the uni*es and adopted by Debian, sure has been offering that feature since its very first versions). Nicola On 25 Apr 1999, Martin Bialasinski wrote: NB == Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NB Alas I fear that the version string Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2 NB means _before_ that feature was added, sendmail does not work any NB more, the above line is what I got when I tried to send out mail NB as a user of the box. You said you hae Debian 1.3, so yes, the smail package is too old for that. You can recompile smail. Get the new sources from the current Debian stable tree (dists/stable/main/source), that is all three packages (.diff.gz. .dsc .tar.gz - use a ftp programm, Netscape will decompress them). Then run dpkg-source -x smail*.dsc cd into the created smail directory fakeroot debian/rules binary From the dependencies, you need at least libident-dev to build it. Check the INSTALL/README file. Ciao, Martin
Re: smail, not open email relay
:-) Nice to meet you, I was no more expecting to have a reply.
On 24 Apr 1999, Martin Bialasinski wrote:
NB == Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
NB the problem is far from here on a Debian box permanently connected to the
NB Internet and I would not like to update the mail agent from here.
The new standard MTA is exim. You don't have to switch, if your
current setup is working OK. I have a box running unstable and I have
smail, because I didn't have time to switch. When it doesn't break,
don't touch it :-)
Yep, apart that about 1000 km... it would be annoying to make some
disaster, the main task of that system ends out with sending mail.
NB but I'd have to configure smail on it for it not to act as an open
NB email relay, that is for it not to accept and forward email
NB messages coming from other boxes.
I have smtp_remote_allow=localnet in smail's config, so only connects
from localnet may specify a non-local destination address.
I use smail 3.2.0.102-1, but I believe relay control has been added in
3.2.0.100 or such some.
send-mail: /etc/smail/config: unknown attribute: smtp_remote_allow
Alas I fear that the version string Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2 means
_before_ that feature was added, sendmail does not work any more, the
above line is what I got when I tried to send out mail as a user of the
box.
I have ftp'ed the smail docs and man pages from that 1.3.1 box and have
just started reading (I've also looked for the attribute smtp_remote_allow
with no success so far). See attachment: tried a quick test with no
results, I mean smail was still working but still acting as an open email
relay. I'll have to read more... well I could also look for an old smail
package, just less old than the one running there, enough to support the
attribute you suggested but not enough to be incompatible with libraries
on Debian 1.3.1, will give a look at the Debian site...(?)
Ciao,
Martin
Yes, ciao Martin and _thanks_ a lot again (these nights are going to
finish soon I hope, looking forward to have that problem fixed and the
laptop used by Linux at its best possibilities, I think we don't have the
APM and modem drivers yet, a pity, windog's telnet is a disaster with
emacs... why does it work with pico/pine instead?).
Pant, going to sleep, tomorrow will be short damn :-(
Nicola
--- transports-openRelaySun Apr 4 02:45:47 1999
+++ noOpenRelay/transports-noOpenRelay Sun Apr 25 07:16:22 1999
@@ -14,8 +14,11 @@
append_as_user, check_user, file=/var/spool/mail/${lc:strip:user},
group=mail, mode=0660, notify_comsat, suffix=\n
+# smtp: driver=tcpsmtp, max_addrs=100, -max_chars, inet;
+# use_bind, defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames
+
smtp: driver=tcpsmtp, max_addrs=100, -max_chars, inet;
- use_bind, defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames
+use_bind, defer_no_connect, defnames
uux: driver=pipe, uucp, from, max_addrs=5, max_chars=200;
cmd=/usr/bin/uux - -r $host!rmail $(($user)$),
--- routers-alone-openRelay Sun Apr 4 02:45:47 1999
+++ noOpenRelay/routers-alone-noOpenRelay Sun Apr 25 07:10:15 1999
@@ -10,8 +10,13 @@
driver=gethostbyaddr, transport=smtp;
check_for_local, fail_if_error
+# inet_hosts:
+# driver=bind, transport=smtp;
+# defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames,
+# gateways=uu.net:uucp:+:cunyvm.cuny.edu:bitnet
+
inet_hosts:
driver=bind, transport=smtp;
- defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames,
+ defer_no_connect, defnames,
gateways=uu.net:uucp:+:cunyvm.cuny.edu:bitnet
Re: smail, not open email relay
Sorry, I realize that the diff file I sent was unreadable, here's a not-context one which seems to be much more clear. Anyway, I just got smail_3.2.0.102-1 sources and am going to try compiling+installing and using the attribute you suggested for /etc/smail/config :-) Nicola Output of diff -B transports-openRelay noOpenRelay/transports-noOpenRelay 16a17,19 # smtp: driver=tcpsmtp, max_addrs=100, -max_chars, inet; # use_bind, defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames 18c21 use_bind, defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames --- use_bind, defer_no_connect, defnames Output of diff -B routers-alone-openRelay noOpenRelay/routers-alone-noOpenRelay 12a13,17 # inet_hosts: # driver=bind, transport=smtp; # defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames, # gateways=uu.net:uucp:+:cunyvm.cuny.edu:bitnet 15c20 defer_no_connect, -local_mx_okay, defnames, --- defer_no_connect, defnames,
Re: smail, not open email relay
Ph, installed jed which survives much better than emacs the awful Windog telnet. Also, had to install bind and libident for smail wanted them... now it asks about libnsl, I'm afraid I don't have any package containing it on the cdrom which is in the machine there... building list of packages and contents... will know later... maybe that will be another item to look at into the debian ftp site... *pause* Nicola On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Sorry, I realize that the diff file I sent was unreadable, here's a not-context one which seems to be much more clear. Anyway, I just got smail_3.2.0.102-1 sources and am going to try compiling+installing and using the attribute you suggested for /etc/smail/config :-) Nicola
smail, not open email relay
Hello, I think that Debian now installs a different mail agent as the default or at least I remember that the configure script asked me explicitly about this topic when I recently put Debian 2.1 on this laptop, but the problem is far from here on a Debian box permanently connected to the Internet and I would not like to update the mail agent from here. Not that the box is not doing a _great_ job, rock steady for almost an year by now, but I'd have to configure smail on it for it not to act as an open email relay, that is for it not to accept and forward email messages coming from other boxes. Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2 Debian 1.3.1 _Thanks_, Nicola Bernardelli
Re: Stop rc5v2 client, Bovine team won 56 bit secret key challenge!
On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Ok dear Britton, I'm not running the new client. Best wishes to them. BTW: your idea of a Linux team is great... I think there was one here in debian-user who was pretty expert of cryptography, but that doesn't mean there are time-resources to dig into the problem and prepare well and fast running code. (A Debian team! That would be great!) A-ehm, I meant... maybe Debian-originated... but of course only the whole Linux community can adequately compete. Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stop rc5v2 client, Bovine team won 56 bit secret key challenge!
On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Britton wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Hello, nice to meet you after so long. Well... did they mention Linux in Same to you Nicola. I have finally given up and dropped one of my classes, and I immediately took steps to make sure this didn't artificially inflate my GPA by downloading the AWE Howto that you and Marcus put together :) _Marcus_, really, _he_'s the only author of that fine work. their press pages on the WEB? It didn't jump to my eye indeed... nor to Netscrape find text command anyway... And if it is definitely confirmed they didn't, then I won't run their client anymore (apart that I also had notified them a bug for which some of them told it may had been causing some hundreds blocks lost per day). Nor mine, though I didn't look that carefully. There was some hoopla from the guy who ran the client that found the key saying he wished it had been a Mac (it was found by an NT machine), but I don't recall anything about Linux. In fact. I have been meaning to look at some of the other efforts that were floating around and see if they started in on 64 (I kind of doubt it since they didn't have anywhere near the participation bovine did). In particular I know there was one place that would give the winner $8000/$1, and that might be a good place to start a linux team, if they have a provision for it and are still around. What bug was it that you found? I have the source to the 56 bit client but havn't gotten around to looking at it. Just interaction with the proxys... flush complete when it had simply aborted due to the very first net problem occurring (anyway, _my_ opinion was that those blocks would be sent, sooner or later, not lost... of course if _any_ time a slow connection causes that thing and nobody is really watching at the client's output then they are actually lost). Ok dear Britton, I'm not running the new client. Best wishes to them. BTW: your idea of a Linux team is great... I think there was one here in debian-user who was pretty expert of cryptography, but that doesn't mean there are time-resources to dig into the problem and prepare well and fast running code. (A Debian team! That would be great!) Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stop rc5v2 client, Bovine team won 56 bit secret key challenge!
On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Britton wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: I don't think it has already been reported on this mailing list, anyway, just for who is letting the rc5v2 client run: www.distributed.net gives details. Ok, maybe the Linux community started late and we were not the greatest contributors, but we _did_ contribute to that 47% keyspace exploration. Team linux did quite well, I think coming in second only to the Mac team (which consists mostly of 64 bit RISC procs, and even then, when that client is running the machine is bogged, ie click... wait 3 secs... ah now my window is in working on coming into the foreground:) Hello, nice to meet you after so long. Well... did they mention Linux in their press pages on the WEB? It didn't jump to my eye indeed... nor to Netscrape find text command anyway... And if it is definitely confirmed they didn't, then I won't run their client anymore (apart that I also had notified them a bug for which some of them told it may had been causing some hundreds blocks lost per day). Nicola Anyway, the bovine team has plunged straight into the 64 bit effort! Since involvement has really exploded lately, they figure they may be able to slove it almost as fast if they get the same participation. I already have the new client, rc564, running. If anyone wants to get involved, I would be happy to help with the few questions that may come up as yo uinstall and configure the very straightforward client. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
Ok, congrats for you nice keyboard. I heard a PSR-don'tRememberWhichNow
years ago and the sounds were nice. Don't get slave to gadgets though!
get Mark E. Boling, The jazz theory workbook, Advance Music... other
books if you want, one especially good for pianists. If you learn jazz you
can face anything.
Back to Debian now.
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It supports a sustain pedal, but I did not get one yet. When I get
more $$$ and I am more advanced I'll get one. I think they go for
about $20-$50US.
As soon as you can, I suppose you have better learn _with_ it.
I think games are very nice for an OS to be more widely used, and Linux
could support both the _very_powerful_solid_graphics kind of games and
the abstract_fast_X_fascinating_graphics kind, of course both with
astonishing sounds :-) maybe in part math-generated and graphics-related
(I still have to give a look at software such as kandinsky). Maybe one day
some Debian-original ultra-eye_ear_MIND-catching game...?
Hopefully some day...
Where do you play Doom, Linux or DOS? If Linux, does it need anything else
but a properly configured kernel in order to send to the external MIDI
synth?... Maybe a doom-specific sound server does anything? Is there a
Debian package?... I can't find one on the 1.3.1. CD... I had it on my
very first Linux install years ago (or the second one...) and will give a
look at some more recent CDs I have here. I tried abuse yesterday from the
Debian package [not the one with 1.2.4, sound broken to me {but SVGA}, the
one with 1.3.1 {but only X, not SVGA it seems}] and it looks very
interesting (more than recent demos I saw in (Win)DOG with sophisticated
3d-like graphics), and sounds give a _very_ interesting taste; it seems
they chose to have no music in it.
Right now, I play it in dos, but that is only because I haven't
actually gotten the chance to install Linux yet...hehe. In the dos
version, I was just able to change the doom configuration from SB16
to Midi Out. As for Debian packages, I am not sure. I know Doom and
Wolfenstein3D are both out for Linux, though.
Yes, no Debian packages almost on 1.3.1., will give a look at the ftp site
but think not. (This won't interest you, anyway I saw a couple of hours
ago that at Takashi Iwai's home page there is also stuff for Doom with
Linux, sound server and patches to use awe synth with it... A Debian
package of doom should put all that stuff together.)
Cheers,
Nicola
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Re: Stop rc5v2 client, Bovine team won 56 bit secret key challenge!
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Greg Vence wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote: I don't think it has already been reported on this mailing list, anyway, just for who is letting the rc5v2 client run: www.distributed.net gives details. Ok, maybe the Linux community started late and we were not the greatest contributors, but we _did_ contribute to that 47% keyspace exploration. If you care to run it, they've released a rc5 64 bit client... :) Enjoy -- Greg. M... a new challenge you mean? But do you also mean you are not interested at all? Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Stop rc5v2 client, Bovine team won 56 bit secret key challenge!
I don't think it has already been reported on this mailing list, anyway, just for who is letting the rc5v2 client run: www.distributed.net gives details. Ok, maybe the Linux community started late and we were not the greatest contributors, but we _did_ contribute to that 47% keyspace exploration. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Try using mutt. It is good (very good) and I have no problems reading my backlog of debian bug reports (23 Megabyte so far - in one singel folder, maybe a few thousand messages). And I have only 16MB of memory. THANK YOU, I _will_ try it... (faster if a Debian package exists of course). Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
it seems, levels editing... Ok, I would buy that instead of - say - MDK for DOS, though I don't dig into games usually, I listen to sounds and taste the look of graphics, cut of scenes, points of view... One exception is a quite different one, I only flied ACM-4.7 (Air Combat Maneuver) quite a lot in order to learn to land safe (compiled with REAL_DELTA_T=no for my P90), but I would not call it a game, lots of math and software engineering skills are in it. I also sent patches to just be able to compile 4.8 under Linux (the Cessna 172 remaining unstable... but who wants it instead of a MiG-29 or F-16C?), I sent them to the author and an assistent of him, alas with no answer. BTW I have to discover whether or not Network Audio Ssystem and Netaudio are the same, and if not that's why I can't have audio from neither of ACM-4.7 and ACM-4.8.. - Is there any piece of code ready to test full-duplex support given by the kernel sound driver? I've sent a report on some minor problems with 2.1.59 to the linux-kernel mailing list and also asked this at the end (please read it here as not specifically related to kernel 2.1.59): I went to 2.1.59 to be able to test SLab-1.0 (born in 2.1.24 says the readme file). Please, is there any piece of code ready to test the full-duplex support given by the sound driver (OSS-3.8b5 or newer) coming with 2.1.59? I have voicechat-0.40-beta compiled both for half-duplex and full-duplex here, but didn't want to bore out there and ask for a sked on the Internet to test it (though it could be of some interest itself). Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stop rc5v2 client, Bovine team won 56 bit secret key challenge!
On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Britton wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Team linux did quite well, I think coming in second only to the Mac team M... they could mention Linux on that page, then! BTW, the cover of the last issue of a weekly addendum Computer Valley to one of the main newspapers in Italy carries an interview with Linus Torvaldt (Torvalds inside the article), inventor of Linux. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly detects size of memory on soundcard: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k) I tried installing it on top of the AWE support coming with kernel 2.1.55... it works! (So far I tried with pnp handled by isapnp and not by the kernel, but will try that too.) PNP handled by the kernel doesn't work. Anyway redoing it with isapnp succeeds, not that anything is stuck unreacheable. I've just ftp'ed and applied the small :-) patch files bringing from 2.1.55 to 2.1.59, pub/Linux/kernel/v2.1/patch-2.1.5[6-9].gz on a mirror of sunsite.unc.edu, less than 200k total. Good that I didn't rm that big linux-2.1.55.tar.gz! _Tomorrow_ I will configure 2.1.59, build and test PNP and use 2.1.59 to continue looking at SLab. As with 2.1.55, 2.1.59 PNP handling does not initialize properly the AWE64 Gold, nothing works, not only awe synth but also /dev/audio. Again, running isapnp both during boot or after boot_with_kernel_PNP_mis-handle results in anything working fine. Anyway I recompiled 2.1.59 without PNP (is it possible that the two zImage files have the same _identical_ size?!). I installed the 0.4.2c awe driver on top of 2.1.59, of course. Before reporting to the kernel mailing list the PNP problem I'll look for docs on PNP handling done by the kernel, maybe some config file is needed as well...? I read _nothing_ on the matter as that wasn't my main goal. (I could also try putting an #error directive in some PNP .c file and see whether that goes compiled or not.) On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: BTW2: I am just testing 2.0.30 last rebuild, I had to see some OSS/xmixer relations, and while writing this message I was also zcatting a 2552707 bytes .gz file to less -i doing a pattern search in it... and suddenly this error line started to appear 6-7 times per second on any console I went to look at: Unable to load interpreter. Typing ctrl-c where the zcat ... | less -i processes had been started allowed recover, and I'm finishing this message and going to send it without rebooting (but good that you suggested to switch back my default to 2.0.29 as the latest stable kernel). 2.1.59 has that problem too, 2.0.29 too... it is just out of memory (I recently reduced swap partition from 33Mb to 8Mb as it nearly never worked - 32 Mb ram BTW - and when it worked it was 2-3 megs and I needed to collect disk space), better run zgrep on that high-compression-ratio .gz file or almost :-) not load at the same time the debian-user mail folder (currently it is very big and is soon going to become another gzipped month-or-little-more debian-upTo97mmdd.gz file). Ah, about that cheap MIDI (possibly mute) keyboard, I saw that [EMAIL PROTECTED] was talking about it too, he was looking for midi software packages and mainly for software synthesis. Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:15:12 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: SB AWE 64 versus Soft. Syns. for making midi... Also, midi keybo Cheers. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote:
As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly
detects size of memory on soundcard:
AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k)
I tried installing it on top of the AWE support coming with kernel
2.1.55... it works! (So far I tried with pnp handled by isapnp and not by
the kernel, but will try that too.)
Why did I retake up 2.1.55? Because I had it handy here...
(I'm too tired these days to wake up at 4-5 and watch a 3 hours ftp to
get 2.1.57 or newer [?]... hard life in Italy with our monopolist
telephone company! Great hopes for next years.)
... to test SLab with it.
I understand from SLab doc release.notes that it needs OSS/Free (nee:
VoxWare) drivers reved to something like 3.5.X., and this is what the AWE
install.sh script reports when fired...
...on 2.0.29 and 2.0.30 ...on 2.1.55
AWE 0.3.3e OSS/Free-3.5.0 (aka USS/Lite) OSS/Free-3.8b5 or newer
AWE 0.4.2c USS OSS-3.8b5 or newer
(Where does it get it? SOUND_INTERNAL_VERSION is defined in the kernel
header file /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/soundvers.h, and the awe driver
install.sh script translates it in what it needs, which is not the mere
SOUND_VERSION_STRING also defined in that header.)
BTW: SLab starts quite fine now, the error message about SHMEM was
misdirecting investigation toward that point, but instead it was an
absolutely trivial environment problem, I attach a tiny patch for the
startup script not to be error prone in case of SLAB_HOME different than
the default, if anybody is interested (but I'm currently using another
script which eventually stops the Network Audio System before starting
SLab and restarts it after SLab exits, running on sh instead of csh just
because I'm not familiar to the latter). I'm also writing anything I find
in a report I'll mail to the author when I'm sure of the contents. I have
_just_ started trying with it and with the sound driver coming with 2.1.55
somethings seems to happen.
BTW2: I am just testing 2.0.30 last rebuild, I had to see some
OSS/xmixer relations, and while writing this message I was also
zcatting a 2552707 bytes .gz file to less -i doing a pattern search in
it... and suddenly this error line started to appear 6-7 times per
second on any console I went to look at: Unable to load interpreter.
Typing ctrl-c where the zcat ... | less -i processes had been started
allowed recover, and I'm finishing this message and going to send
it without rebooting (but good that you suggested to switch back my
default to 2.0.29 as the latest stable kernel).
--
xmixer: a channel with an ear icon appears when fired under 2.1.55, not
clear to me what that is (microphone monitoring volume?) and what the
igain/ogain (also appearing under 2.0.29 and 2.0.30) are when compared to
each source volume and to the master volume and to the ear cursor itself
(the Creative Mixer doesn't have any of these ear/igain/ogain...).
Marcus, alas I hadn't time to look at all those other mixers you mentioned
yet, so far I only saw those two, xmix and xmixer.
I am _very_ tired. Too may times went to sleep at 2-4 in the morning.
Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- startSLab.orig Sat May 3 18:14:48 1997
+++ startSLab Tue Oct 21 09:49:38 1997
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
setenv TCL_LIBRARY ${SLAB_HOME}/tcl.files
setenv TK_LIBRARY ${SLAB_HOME}/tcl.files
-set path = ( /usr/slab/bin /usr/slab/effects $path )
+set path = ( ${SLAB_HOME}/bin ${SLAB_HOME}/effects $path )
exec mixslab | cat /dev/null
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported? (fwd)
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 1997 at 12:41:36AM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly detects size of memory on soundcard: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k) I'm lucky to hear this. So there was no need to put the information in the header file? Good. I'll include this in my HOWTO. Install was trivial, identical to 0.3.3e in the awe-drv package, just an install.sh script to call and then rebuild the kernel (of course every step is explained). Well I put the 600/3200 MAX_INFOS/MAX_SAMPLES (or the like) values by hand as the 0.4.2c install.sh does not ask for them as the 0.3.3e did. A minute anyway. I removed the Debian packages and I got and installed by hand everything I found in the binaries directory at Takashi Iwai's web/ftp site. Really Did you try to compile the sources? It don't work for me... maybe I should take a look at the debian patches. Yes, actually I fired somthing and had some errors (some macroes not previously defined, a matter of headers suppose) and _immediately_ turned to try the prebuilt binaries (as I'm already testing a lot of stuff), which work. nice, everything seems to work _very_ fine (expect that I'm not able to test the Netscape plugin yet... not that I'm suffering about it anyway). NOW (while I pop/send mail, but also tried a fly with ACM!... and was able to land safe of course) drvmidi is playing without any delay some of those sf2demo files... sending by itself the additional soundfont banks to bank1 once I've told it to. We must ask Takashi Iwai to put his photo in his homepage :-) ^ :-) , And about the MIDI keyboard: have to dig in my email backlog... I got a few tips, but please ask Britton, too (or is he CC'ed?) Yes he is. Maybe the tips were from him, some Roland... II, but I would go on a mute keyoard instead (and use the AWE synth)... if not, me too I can scan in the folder :-)... Of course I think the opposite than Britton, that is a weighted keys keyboard would be better to me, though I don't absolutely have any pianistic technique... it's just that I type on a computer keyboard already too much each day and don't look forward to take that taste with me when playing... Was it you or Toersten speaking of enjoying really making music... buy a guitar instead Yes, my trumpet is quite another thing that what comes out of the soundcard, not only the valves I mean but the sound!... and the control I have on it, on each note attack... it is a true instrument compared to a pseudo one. Anyway, back to the keyboard: in case I decide, the budget point will be quite relevant, + room + weight of the thing being that I have no room and I'll have to move it here and there. Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly detects size of memory on soundcard: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k) I tried installing it on top of the AWE support coming with kernel 2.1.55... it works! (So far I tried with pnp handled by isapnp and not by the kernel, but will try that too.) PNP handled by the kernel doesn't work. Anyway redoing it with isapnp succeeds, not that anything is stuck unreacheable. I've just ftp'ed and applied the small :-) patch files bringing from 2.1.55 to 2.1.59, pub/Linux/kernel/v2.1/patch-2.1.5[6-9].gz on a mirror of sunsite.unc.edu, less than 200k total. Good that I didn't rm that big linux-2.1.55.tar.gz! _Tomorrow_ I will configure 2.1.59, build and test PNP and use 2.1.59 to continue looking at SLab. Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly detects size of memory on soundcard: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k) Install was trivial, identical to 0.3.3e in the awe-drv package, just an install.sh script to call and then rebuild the kernel (of course every step is explained). - I removed the Debian packages and I got and installed by hand everything I found in the binaries directory at Takashi Iwai's web/ftp site. Really nice, everything seems to work _very_ fine (expect that I'm not able to test the Netscape plugin yet... not that I'm suffering about it anyway). NOW (while I pop/send mail, but also tried a fly with ACM!... and was able to land safe of course) drvmidi is playing without any delay some of those sf2demo files... sending by itself the additional soundfont banks to bank1 once I've told it to. We must ask Takashi Iwai to put his photo in his homepage :-) - BTW, I gave a look at old messages... have you and Britton selected a cheap midi keyboard then? As you know, me too I think I'll have to get one soon... Nicola On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 1997 at 09:04:14PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: #define AWE_DEFAULT_BASE_ADDR 0x620 /* base port address */ #define AWE_DEFAULT_MEM_SIZE 4096 /* kbytes */ Then it should work. Done, but I still get this with kernel 2.0.30: AWE32 Sound Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 28672k) This is awkward. You should test it with the new version, too. awe-drv is actually at 0.4.2c (you can find the location in my HOWTO). Note that the sources coming with kernel 2.1.55 in the lowlevel directory are version 0.3.1! This is very old, and everything can break. Oh, one more: 0.4.2c does support dynamically loaded sample fonts, so you can use the 4 Megabyte bank with 2 Megabyte RAM on the card. Obviously, you can try the 8 MB with 4MB on card,... Ok, I'll get the latest awe-drv at a Debian mirror. Thank you Marcus! I would be surprised if you could find a debian package newer that 0.3.3c (I filed a bug report against this old version). get the 0.4.2c at: http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I would be surprised if you could find a debian package newer that 0.3.3c (I filed a bug report against this old version). get the 0.4.2c at: http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/ Oh, nice of you, so I won't go arowing in hamm directories! Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: #define AWE_DEFAULT_BASE_ADDR 0x620 /* base port address */ #define AWE_DEFAULT_MEM_SIZE 4096 /* kbytes */ Then it should work. Done, but I still get this with kernel 2.0.30: AWE32 Sound Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 28672k) This is awkward. You should test it with the new version, too. awe-drv is actually at 0.4.2c (you can find the location in my HOWTO). Note that the sources coming with kernel 2.1.55 in the lowlevel directory are version 0.3.1! This is very old, and everything can break. Oh, one more: 0.4.2c does support dynamically loaded sample fonts, so you can use the 4 Megabyte bank with 2 Megabyte RAM on the card. Obviously, you can try the 8 MB with 4MB on card,... Ok, I'll get the latest awe-drv at a Debian mirror. Thank you Marcus! Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
Tons of e-mail and attached files passed... Marcus and I spared those things to others, here's what survives of the message I had started writing for the list... On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 10:14:40PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: BTW, why does the sound module say what follows at each startup, when I have the default 4megs on the soundcard? (Sure, on some readme...) AWE32 Sound Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 28672k) Mmmh. Because it can't detect your soundcard correctly :) From /usr/src/INSTALL.awe: * Manual Installation... ... ok, I wait a moment... (it will be the last thing in this message). before you do it, could you test what happens if you load a lot of samples with sfxload (more than four meg)? You can load the same big samples in different banks with: sfxload -b1 name sfxload -b2 name ... I would be interested in the error message (if any). -- nick:~$ sfxload -i /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/gm35revc.sf2 nick:~$ sfxload -b1 /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/2gmgsmt.sf2 [Loading Data 144] Error in loading data: No space left on device nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/2gmgsmt.sf2 [Loading Data 144] Error in loading data: No space left on device nick:~$ sfxload -b1 /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/2gmgsmt.sf2 [Loading Data 0] Error in loading data: No space left on device nick:~$ sfxload -b2 /mnt/fat1/sb16/samples/voiperpn.sf2 [Loading Data 0] Error in loading data: No space left on device nick:~$ then I restart from scratch... After all the tweakle-hours of this days/nights I want to listen to those demo files with drvmidi... while recompiling 2.1.55 (done it a lot of times these last days) nick:~$ sfxload -i /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/gm35revc.sf2 ^^ cleans any fonts in any bank and send this to the default bank, which is 0 nick:~$ sfxload -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/flight.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/flight.mid nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/radiatn.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/radiatn.mid this one has nice use of guitar samples!... Niko Boese... Let's cut the standard fonts and isolate the peculiar ones... nick:~$ sfxload -i -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/radiatn.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/radiatn.mid Very interesting groove (though not one of my favourite genres). And... Linux is always great, no delays at all, while recompilation of kernel 2.1.55 doesn't seem to slow down, and I have the rc5v2 client in the background too, though it has a lower priority I think... This isn't but a P90 single CPU. Linux is so robust and efficient that it may well catch more and more the artists' attention in the future, say professional hd recording + MIDI + CD mastering... maybe even AudioVideo offline editing one day. And you can bet on Debian I believe. nick:~$ sfxload -i /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/gm35revc.sf2 nick:~$ sfxload -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/letmesay.sbk nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/letmesay.mid nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/surprise.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/surprise.mid nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/riffmia.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/riffmia.mid nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/htonight.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/htonight.mid nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/awedigph.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/awedigph.mid nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/aweblown.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/aweblown.mid not a MIDI file - broken also for Windog sequencers nick:~$ sfxload -x -b1 /cdrom/sf2demo/awegathr.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /cdrom/sf2demo/awegathr.mid Anything seems OK here! -- On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 10:14:40PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: [snip] Each time I did these steps (staying inside /etc and after 'mount -r -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/fat1' and after '/etc/init.d/nas stop'): rmmod sound modify isapnp.conf-poke and save it isapnp isapnp.conf-poke insmod sound sfxload -i /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/gm35revc.sf2 saytime drvmidi /mnt/fat1/sb16/samples/awe64/*.mid Please, could you also try the following: sfxload -b1 your-path/sample.sbk drvmidi your-path/sfx.midi If you don't have those files, I would be happy to mail them to you (and I hope I would not violate any copyrights :( ). It is important for me, because it didn't worked for me the day before, but now after recompiling with awedrv 0.4.2c it works. (sfx.midi uses some samples in bank 1) I have sample.sbk but not sfx.mid* Oh, there is another example like this coming with vienna: sfxload -b1 voiperpn.sf2 drvmidi zebraper.mid (you shouldn't hear any piano with this, but I do) Try replacing any previously loaded soundfonts and putting the new one in bank 0: nick:~$ sfxload -i /mnt/fat1/sb16/samples/voiperpn.sf2 nick:~$ drvmidi /mnt/fat1/sb16/samples/zebraper.mid I don't hear any piano
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 10:14:40PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: BTW, why does the sound module say what follows at each startup, when I have the default 4megs on the soundcard? (Sure, on some readme...) AWE32 Sound Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 28672k) Mmmh. Because it can't detect your soundcard correctly :) From /usr/src/INSTALL.awe: [snip] Then it should work. Done, but I still get this with kernel 2.0.30: AWE32 Sound Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 28672k) _Now_ done also 2.0.29 and it is the same. - (BTW, forgot this: Steinberg Italy gave some advice about CubasisAudio and Windog 3.1, but that didn't work, so I'm enquiring Creative UK and hope _they_ will eventually contact Steinberg Germany, or I will.) Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
In my previous posting, I forgot to attach the isapnp.conf file with the solution suggested by Marcus Brinkmann, here it is. Also, I mentioned kernel 2.1.55 - err... I _have_ problems building it at the moment - but forgot to say that I wanted to test it more for the IPC SHMEM kernel feature needed by SLab-1.0 than for pnp/awe I currently have running via isapnp/awe-debian-packages. SLab seems to be a very interesting package, as for the description... I'm attaching two small files about it, the .lsm file and the system requirements from the readme. Did anybody test this software with Debian (and possibly with an AWE 64 Gold)? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- # $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.8 1997/01/14 21:05:35 fox Exp $ # This is free software, see the sources for details. # This software has NO WARRANTY, use at your OWN RISK # # For details of this file format, see isapnp.conf(5) # # Compiler flags: -DREALTIME -DNEEDSETSCHEDULER # # Trying port address 0203 # Board 1 has serial identifier 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e # (DEBUG) (READPORT 0x0203) (ISOLATE) (IDENTIFY *) # Card 1: (serial identifier 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e) # CTL009e Serial No 138029808 [checksum 7f] # Version 1.0, Vendor version 2.0 # ANSI string --Creative SB AWE64 Gold-- # # Logical device id CTL0044 # (CONFIGURE CTL009e/138029808 (LD 0 # ANSI string --Audio-- (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E))) (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1)) (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 5)) (IO 0 (BASE 0x0220)) (IO 1 (BASE 0x0330)) (IO 2 (BASE 0x0388)) (ACT Y) (REG 7 (POKE 1) (PEEK)) # Set logical device 1, but no check # Logical device id CTL7002 # Compatible device id PNPb02f # ANSI string --Game-- (IO 0 (BASE 0x0200)) (ACT Y) (REG 7 (POKE 2) (PEEK)) # Set logical device 2, but no check # Logical device id CTL0023 # ANSI string --WaveTable-- (IO 0 (BASE 0x0620)) (IO 1 (BASE 0x0A20)) (IO 2 (BASE 0x0E20)) (ACT Y) )) # End tag... Checksum 0x00 (OK)Begin3 Title: SLab Recording Studio Software Version:1.0 Entered-date: May 12, 1997 Description:SLab Direct to Disk Recording Studio. Mixer 64-16-8-4-2 stereo/quadraphonic outputs. Includes WaveEditing, effects send busses, stereo bus groupings, dynamic digital filters (per track), TCL/TK based drag and drop user interface, stereo effects API, VU metering, DSP - echo, chorus, flange, phase, reverb, rotary, limitor, et al, Continuous controller recording (mixdown sessions). MultiProcessing/shared memory mix engine. Kernel requires: 2.1.24, OSS/FREE 3.5.X, SYSV_IPC. System requires: TCL_7.5/TK_4.1, at least the header files. Keywords: audio, mixer, DSP, effects, multitrack, TCL, TK, Linux direct-to-disk recording Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Copeland) Maintained-by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Copeland) Primary-site: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/apps/sound/mixers 2553 kb SLab-1.0.tgz 2 kb SLab-1.0.lsm Alternate-site: Original-site: Platform: Linux - static ELF, binary distribution only. Copying-policy: Shareware End SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS --- This runs and was developed on a P133 16 MB system. Get gobs of disk space if you want to do some real recording, 16 tracks CD quality requires about 80MB a minute. Compression is not going to be available for a while, although if new songs are created with a minimum of predefined run time (5 or 10 seconds) then autoextension on the Linux filesystem will only write new track sections. The consequence is, if you define 16 track, but only ever use 8 simultaneously then the disk space requirements will only be half of the total (and processing capacity is spared). Session recording will allow you to fade tracks in and out as you need them. Linux: IPC SHMEM required in kernel. Software was compiled on a 2.1.24 kernel, and full duplex may require this kernel. OSS/Free 3.5-10b.
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 1997 at 05:25:56PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Ok, for you HOWTO, I have isapnp working fine now. I find it *really* odd that you have to rearrange the order of the entrys in the isapnp.conf. A *quick* and *dirty* hack, and I can't even think of including it i my HOWTO (I see lots of emails complaining about such an unsure statement :). I can give a hint about it (and I will do), but could you check if the PEEK thing from the faq works for you? Please do it for me, because the faq states, that the standard does not clearly specifiy if it should work without the PEEKS, means, that it is fully legitimate that you have to include the PEEKS. Please try it, thank you! Good news to you Marcus, your POKE way works fine here with the AWE64 Gold, I tried the devices in any of the following sequences always with success: 0 1 2 1 0 2 1 2 0 0 2 1 2 0 1 2 1 0 Each time I did these steps (staying inside /etc and after 'mount -r -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/fat1' and after '/etc/init.d/nas stop'): rmmod sound modify isapnp.conf-poke and save it isapnp isapnp.conf-poke insmod sound sfxload -i /mnt/fat1/sb16/sfbank/gm35revc.sf2 saytime drvmidi /mnt/fat1/sb16/samples/awe64/*.mid BTW, why does the sound module say what follows at each startup, when I have the default 4megs on the soundcard? (Sure, on some readme...) AWE32 Sound Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 28672k) - As for the quick and dirty way I had found of just changing the order of the LDs (0 2 1 works fine as I told, and I didn't try any other), it was a mistake what I said of it working fine only once at boot time, in fact it works any time you recall isapnp, just with the steps above, and the AWE synth part always works fine: I was simply forgetting to reload the soundfonts. - I'm currently trying to build the 2.1.55 kernel, it should handle pnp and AWE (but I may have problems here with Debian 1.2.4... so far I just had to replace genksyms with the one from the 1.3.1 CD for the -k option to be accepted). Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Perhaps there is a newer isapnp out there, that could help you? Did you read the isapnp-faq? Ah, by the time I was popping this message and the one you CCed to the list I was also sending you the workaround I found... OK I'm going to reply you also forwarding that very simple workaround (simple but not digging into problems of the isapnp version I'm using here... anyway those problems are probably solved with the version _you_ mentioned). On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: This problem is described in the isapnp-faq (it should really be included in the debian package). I quote it here (Nicola, does it work for you? Please tell me, for the HOWTO) - What does `Error occurred executing request 'LD 2' on or around line...'' mean ? This means that attempting to read back the logical device number failed. The specification is rather unclear on whether this is guaranteed to work, and in any event, it doesn't appear to work with some devices. There are two solutions: 1. Get isapnp version 1.10 or later which supports VERIFYLD. 2. Use direct register access to select the logical device. So instead of configuring each logical device as normal: [snip] The first looks prettier :-) than all those PEEKs, and the following too. another tip: --- The configuration file must end in WAITFORKEY. --- This is the most important hint: Make sure that your isapnp.con contains the two lines i marked with (CONFIGURE CTL0043/54664 (LD 2 # ANSI string --WaveTable-- (IO 0 (BASE 0x0620)) (IO 1 (BASE 0x0A20)) # (IO 2 (BASE 0x0E20)) # # End dependent functions (ACT Y) )) --- Yes, I took them from Toersten's postings (see also attachments to forwarded message where I found those addresses being correct also for the Gold), he was that suggested to go and look at the AWE driver homepage. Very nice thing to come for everybody your HOWTO, good idea Marcus! Below I forward that message with the workaround, bringing the attachments with itself. Nicola -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:25:56 -0200 (GMT+2) From: Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported? Ok, for your HOWTO, I have isapnp working fine now. - you may skip - - I gave a look in my DOS partion at \CTCM\CTPNP.CFG and found that the wavetable addresses (there they are!) that I was trying are correct, so I could forget worries about them and concentrate on isapnp. - I noticed that with an isapnp.conf containing only the wavetable section the MIDI internal synth worked fine; doing a two issues isapnp.conf-allButWaveTable + isapnp.conf-waveTable resulted in AWE synth working but not dsp anymore, so I had to succeed with an only call to isapnp. - I tried the sections in another order, first attempt succeeded, see 3rd attachment. Just curious: trying to redo it after it is succesfully done at boot results in AWE synth no more working (/etc/init.d/nas stop ; rmmod sound ; isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf ; insmod sound ; test with drvmidi). Maybe some other order... - As for Cubasis, I've found something I got ftp (didn't even remember, at what time in the morning did I that?), a multimedia driver... maybe it is already installed though... I'm just sending this then I'm going to Windog to check about that driver. Cheers. Nicola [PNP] ReadPort=20b BypassPnPOS=0 [EXCLUDE] Exclude_Port= Exclude_Irq= Exclude_Dma= Exclude_32Mem= [SB16] Disable=0 Csn=1 CardId=CTL009e Serial=083a2af0 LogDev=0 Port0=220 Port1=330 Port2=388 Irq0=5 Dma0=1 Dma1=5 [GAMEPORT] Disable=0 Csn=1 CardId=CTL009e Serial=083a2af0 LogDev=1 Port0=200 [AWE] Disable=0 Csn=1 CardId=CTL009e Serial=083a2af0 LogDev=2 Port0=620 Port1=a20 Port2=e20 # $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.8 1997/01/14 21:05:35 fox Exp $ # This is free software, see the sources for details. # This software has NO WARRANTY, use at your OWN RISK # # For details of this file format, see isapnp.conf(5) # # Compiler flags: -DREALTIME -DNEEDSETSCHEDULER # # Trying port address 0203 # Board 1 has serial identifier 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e # (DEBUG) (READPORT 0x0203) (ISOLATE) (IDENTIFY *) # Card 1: (serial identifier 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e) # CTL009e Serial No 138029808 [checksum 7f] # Version 1.0, Vendor version 2.0 # ANSI string --Creative SB AWE64 Gold-- # # Logical device id CTL0044 # (CONFIGURE CTL009e/138029808 (LD 0 # ANSI string --Audio
Parallel multi-destination deliver (possible with smail?)
Ok, I should read _more_ docs, but I already spent sime time looking for this. Delivery of my previous posting took a lifetime, most with the modem leds off. Isn't it possible to tell smail (or any other substitute for it) to start contacting simultaneously ALL of the e-mail addresses in the TO: and CC: fields of outgoing messages instead of doing them one after the previous delivery is _completed_? Currently at the first address giving timeout problems [dns I suppose] smail stops delivery, it doesn't go on trying with the following addresses. Issuing things like 'runq m0xJl8X-000A8aC' results in things like this line in /var/log/smail/logfile (and ps -ax says no sendmail is running): 10/10/1997 18:08:28: open_spool: /var/spool/smail/input/0xJl8X-000A8aC: lock_fd() failed: Try again THANK YOU! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
professional version I mean... of course it shouldn't assume a Windog GDI printer is available!!! I'm also curious about a package I found out there for Linux, SLab-1.0, it could be _VERY_ powerful, as a Un*x platform allows. It requires a kernel with IPC_SHMEM on for the different sound processes to share sound data most efficiently. I hope that flag _is_ in the .config options of Debian 1.3.1 kernel, I have the CDs and could try putting that kernel here in Debian 1.2.4 (yes, time to upgrade the whole system... but _this_ is working really _OK_ and I'd like to keep it safe and do an install from scratch on other partitions, as I always did when moving from one install to another... but then it's time to buy a new hard disk too :-( and maybe use it to try some takes with the trumpet, too :-)). Well, after weeks following the threads on the AWEs and midi keyboards, this turned out to be a pretty long message. I confess that I already have the temptation to forward something to the Creative people themselves, but of course I don't want to assume that everybody here agrees on this move... mmmphh could remove the quotings and speak for myself... Cheers, Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- Board 1 has Identity 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e: CTL009e Serial No 138029808 [checksum 7f] Error occurred executing request 'LD 2' on or around line 60 --- further action aborted # $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.8 1997/01/14 21:05:35 fox Exp $ # This is free software, see the sources for details. # This software has NO WARRANTY, use at your OWN RISK # # For details of this file format, see isapnp.conf(5) # # Compiler flags: -DREALTIME -DNEEDSETSCHEDULER # # Trying port address 0203 # Board 1 has serial identifier 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e # (DEBUG) (READPORT 0x0203) (ISOLATE) (IDENTIFY *) # Card 1: (serial identifier 7f 08 3a 2a f0 9e 00 8c 0e) # CTL009e Serial No 138029808 [checksum 7f] # Version 1.0, Vendor version 2.0 # ANSI string --Creative SB AWE64 Gold-- # # Logical device id CTL0044 # # Edit the entries below to uncomment out the configuration required. # Note that only the first value of any range is given, this may be changed if required # Don't forget to uncomment the activate (ACT Y) when happy (CONFIGURE CTL009e/138029808 (LD 0 # ANSI string --Audio-- (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E))) (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1)) (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 5)) (IO 0 (BASE 0x0220)) (IO 1 (BASE 0x0330)) (IO 2 (BASE 0x0388)) (ACT Y) )) # # Logical device id CTL7002 # # Edit the entries below to uncomment out the configuration required. # Note that only the first value of any range is given, this may be changed if required # Don't forget to uncomment the activate (ACT Y) when happy (CONFIGURE CTL009e/138029808 (LD 1 # Compatible device id PNPb02f # ANSI string --Game-- (IO 0 (BASE 0x0200)) (ACT Y) )) # # Logical device id CTL0023 # # Edit the entries below to uncomment out the configuration required. # Note that only the first value of any range is given, this may be changed if required # Don't forget to uncomment the activate (ACT Y) when happy (CONFIGURE CTL009e/138029808 (LD 2 # ANSI string --WaveTable-- (IO 0 (BASE 0x0620)) (IO 1 (BASE 0x0A20)) (IO 2 (BASE 0x0E20)) (ACT Y) )) # End tag... Checksum 0x00 (OK)
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Other MIDI files seem OK, drvmidi works very fine and so does xmixer (from the multimedia package; I find it more suitable than xmix, but I think the midi synth volume should go on it instead than on the drvmidi panel...) Sorry, didn't think AWE synth is equivalent to FM (it isn't as to the Creative doc files)... anyway there it goes on xmixer. Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: switching from ide to scsi
On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I decided to go the right way with one of my server and use scsi disk instead
of ide. That machine has already got a scsi controller (aha2940) that drives
a dat tape, so I only need to buy a scsi disk.
That machine is using debian 1.1 on ide and will probably use 1.2 on scsi.
What would be the best way to move data (and all) from the old ide disk to the
new scsi one?
Since that machine is a main server and need maximum uptime, downtime has to
be as low as possible. These are my questions:
- installing debian on scsi before moving data is not a problem, if I can plug
in the scsi disk, install debian on it, move data and then unplug ide, but
I don't know if this is doable (I read about having problems with ide+scsi
disks in the same machine). Can I test the new installation without removing
the old ide disk (just in case ..)?
Hi Marco, I had missed this message before, sorry. You are much more an
expert sysadmin than I am, anyway here I am: I have _no_problems_ here on
a P90 with:
o a small IDE disk taken away from an old 286 and connected to one of
two (ISA + PCI) on-board IDE controllers (what a waste on this Intel
Premiere motherboard), the PCI one (but with the ISA one it works the
same)
+
o SCSI disk connected to an Adaptec 2940.
The only thing is that the bios does not allow me to say SCSI
_before_ IDE, so LILO has to stay on the IDE disk.
- I know I could back up all the ide disk (maybe with tar? to cope with device
files?) and then untar, but I know I should at least be careful with:
- changing mounts (hda? to sda?)
- rerunning lilo on scsi after changing lilo.conf
- anything else?
Yes, you have to change some characters in /etc/fstab on the destination
root, possibly not only hda to sda but also some number may change of
partitions you use to mount and you have moved to the SCSI disk.
BTW, I usually avoid to spread links to mount points with name reflecting
the actual location of the device, and in case I really want things such
as /mnt/ide1/ or /mnt/ext2_2/ then I put symbolic links in /mnt/ with a
more generical name to use in links, e.g.:
nick:~# ls -la /mnt
total 8
drwxr-x--- 8 root users1024 Jun 15 20:04 ./
drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 1024 Aug 15 20:34 ../
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Jun 15 18:55 ext2_2/
drwx-- 2 root root 1024 Apr 11 20:04 fat1/
drwx-- 2 root root 1024 Apr 11 20:04 fat2/
drwx-- 2 root floppy 1024 Apr 11 20:04 floppy/
drwx-- 2 root root 1024 Apr 11 20:04 hpfs1/
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Jun 15 20:05 ide1/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root6 Jun 15 19:31 linuxAux1 - ext2_2/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root4 Jun 15 20:04 linuxAux2 - ide1/
nick:~#
A few months ago I used to keep 2-3 Linux distributions working, and
moving from one to a more recent version I used to put such symbolic links
with names such as /mnt/linuxOld and - the other way - /mnt/linuxNew; then
after deciding I could definitely drop the older installation I just
checked that anything previously shared - home dirs with mail, development
stuff, ... - had been moved, e.g.:
find / -lname *linuxOld* -exec ls -l -d {} \;
Any advice is welcome.
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Help, delivery errors connected to debian-user?
I'm sorry to get bandwith with a pretty big attachment, but this thing really deserves the gurus' attention. These days I get quite a lot of delivery errors about messages usually reaching their goal: I see them regularly come back, resent from the mailing list server. I was thinking of Joey Hess address but it is absolutely _OK_, it seems instead that it is something in the path to the debian-user server (so I will get errors for this message too), I even got back an e-mail message which was sent to the list NOT by me (Subject: Re: Debian and win95)! I put (hopefully all) that stuff in a mail folder, gzipped and attached it to this message, all is there but the last message, arrived this evening, which finally made me decide not to wait and ask for help as I see that I'm not the only one getting garbage; that message is forwarded here immediately readable as flat text. Ah, Joey, when I wrote The domain kolluk.schaminee was not resolved, so I retry @schaminee.nl maybe with better luck. I was optimistically wrong, afterwards I got errors about that domain too... but I wonder: where was that rubbish coming from then...?!? :-) Not _really_ the guys at Taiwan edu I think :-) ! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:41:12 +0800 From: anny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t HELLO, Somebody use this system to illegal damage my e-mail by large quantity transmit letter, Please stop that immediately. It must be somebody in Taiwan edu. doing this illegaly crime every day, to my e-mail. But is all under your computer's name. I will sent you some sample. Thank you for your reply anny - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ±H¥óªÌ: Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¦¬¥óªÌ: A. Paul Heely Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] °Æ¥»§Û°e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org ¥D¦®: Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t ¤é´Á: 1997¦~9¤ë15¤é PM 11:56 On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, A. Paul Heely Jr. wrote: What ports are these devices connected to? These all connect through device, I don't know exactly what it is, that is itself connected to a serial port. One device only... the Wyse's have _two_ serial ports, but maybe to just switch from one host to another, don't know whether or not the second port can just be used as auxiliary input... but why not keybord emulation as done by most barcode scanners I saw? Do credit card scanners have more complex or interactive tasks...? (To Joey: your address always gives me back delivery errors! The list is the only way to reach you and tell you, give me a sane address to send the error files to if you want.) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . My answer to her: On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Hello, I think there is some mail server in bad conditions out there, I'm getting lots of delivery errors but my messages arrive where I send them, most of the error messages came from a domain which root I tried to contact with no success!!! I'm definitely going to send that stuff to the gurus on the debian-user mailing list and ask for help. It must be somebody in Taiwan edu. doing this illegaly crime every day, to my e-mail. M... if you are right I don't really know what those gurus can do... I hope it is NOT tricks from Taiwan edu! Cheers. deliveryErrs.gz Description: Here's a mail folder with the whole story.
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, A. Paul Heely Jr. wrote: What ports are these devices connected to? These all connect through device, I don't know exactly what it is, that is itself connected to a serial port. One device only... the Wyse's have _two_ serial ports, but maybe to just switch from one host to another, don't know whether or not the second port can just be used as auxiliary input... but why not keybord emulation as done by most barcode scanners I saw? Do credit card scanners have more complex or interactive tasks...? (To Joey: your address always gives me back delivery errors! The list is the only way to reach you and tell you, give me a sane address to send the error files to if you want.) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Re[4]: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text d
On 15 Sep 1997, TENCC01.LEWIS01 wrote: My experience is with hp terminals using enq-ack protocol. When you send stuff to one of the devices (screen, printer port, mini-tape, etc.) (does each of those terminals have that lot of ports?) the keyboard gets locked for the duration of that transfer. Usually, this is not very long. If the line is fast, you don't have much time to do anything between transfers. Yes, apart from what's been added on the topic... draw open, change being done, nothing but wait for the receipt to give away. The program I wrote used binary transfers so we could dump raster graphics to the terminal printer. [snip] If you limit the data to simple ascii print, you have a much better chance. If the stuff you write is really short (less than 2k) then the time you can't type is going to be pretty short. (I suppose it would really just be simple ascii print.) You have to know a *LOT* about the terminal you are going to use. There are always some tricks that you have to learn that aren't in the manuals. (These days, there isn't much in manuals anyway.) jim lewis M, about those Wyse terminals, I really hope the job could be done with just the documented control codes :-) Thank you so much for nice info. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Re[2]: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t
On 12 Sep 1997, TENCC01.LEWIS01 wrote: It probably doesn't work the way you want. Usually the terminal keyboard is locked until the print is finished. Making the terminal useful for input at the same time is generally not possible. It would require a very clever terminal and an extremely clever driver. jim ... Or just a larger RAM buffer in the printer and hopefully a fast line, after all I don't think that in a POS system anyone would need to print large reports at one of the terminals, most likely just a few lines on a page for each sell or incoming materials. I would choose to connect a printer to the port _on_the_main_computer for large reports. But it would be interesting just to know more about that keybord lock during prints. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, RHS Linux User wrote: I don't know how big a problem having the keyboard locked during printing would actually be. My part-time job is in a hardware store that uses a POS system similar to the one you are describing. All of our registers are 386's networked to a backroom server. Each register has its own dot matrix printer, but while it is actualy printing the keyboard is locked. This has never been any problem. While the keyboard is locked we are waiting for the invoice to print and/or the cash draw is open and we are making change. I should note that the invoice only prints after the sale is finalized. Yes I agree, I think that serialized input+print that would require use of the keyboard while the previous print is still being done is rather unlike to be the job of a POS terminal... such heavy data entry could require less frequent print operation, or could probably be designed for not printing after each keyboard entry, or, last, could send the prints to a printer connected directly to one of the LPTs on the Linux box. Actually the very first version of this POS system used WYSE terminal and there pass through printing feature. Why did you move to networked 386's? What's running on them? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t
On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, A. Paul Heely Jr. wrote: Why did you move to networked 386's? What's running on them? The system that we use is provided to us by True Value. The backroom system is a SCO 3.2V4.2 box. There where a couple of reasons for getting rid of the WYSE terminals. There were emulation problems with the terminals, SCO uses an odd ball emulation. :-) I put my hands on some SCO systems at some customers' and I think Linux is quite _another_planet_ (and among every distribution Debian, also used Yggdrasil, Slackware and RedHat). The system now uses the backroom for transaction processing, credit card approval, house charge accounts, etc. While the 386's actually run the data entry software. One of the big advantages to this is if the backroom system should go down for any reasons, each register contains its own mini database, enough to still ring transactions. Yes but a terminal does NOT go down unless broken, while some of those 386 could go down... ok you may say we have not only one while the main box is only one... why should it crash (provided you put a power supply backup of course), I mean why more likely than those 386's? Because it does that lot of things? Then I would have it just handle the sessions on the terminals and the dbase and would connect _another_ box via ethernet for the other tasks. What do you think? This seems to be getting a little Debian un-specific, so if no one else is interested in this why don't we use e-mail, instead of cluttering the list? Yes, not wrong (though I see you resent the posting without this note :-)), but I collected help from very high quality people here (some big one via private e-mail), and there could be some Debian package I'm not aware of, and some of the original questions involved Debian-tested hardware. On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: 1) What serial devices allow longer cables than RS232 without use of modems (say 10-100-200 meters)? 2) Are there multi port cards of that kind which run well with Debian? Any brandname + model? 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? Thanks to anyone willing to give a clue. And thanks a lot to you too! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb terminal + printer)
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote: If you were willing to go with 386 class PC's, you could strip them down to a special ethernet card with the kernel in ROM (or, a normal ethernet card and a floppy disk drive), a video card, a printer port, and 2 to 4 MB of memory (plus keyboard, screen, and printer, of course). That can boot linux over the network, and then you could write the POS app in linux. What ethernet cards are suitable for a 8088 or 80286? Will the people for which I will be building the application find good-looking one-year-warranty such outdated machines? Well, it's possible thay you will be able to find all the parts you need new. I'm not sure if unused 286 or 386 chips are still being sold - everything else can be bought new, though. All this stuff just to have a console + printer? Maybe you have more energies than I do (as I noticed... it was SO KIND of you answering all my postings, thanks once again)... I mean, it must not run any piece of application, that's just the job that _terminals_ have to do, and I could more well concentrate on what's to be done on the main computer, a nice powerful Linux box, maybe a 2 CPU motherboard... with just a line to init for each terminal, as you first suggested; no machines booting via ethernet, no megs ram around, no video cards + displays (maybe not even all the couple the same models - different max hor/ver scan frequencies to deal with) to eventually configure SVGAText for... M... Joey, I'm hearing of $500 terminals (see the WYSE web page) with a centronics port and just control codes to send output to the display or the printer... It sounds more clean to me! In case one of them gets burned, you haven't but to get another and connect it (and chances are that the broken one can be repaired). I will keep looking for infos in that direction. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb t
On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, A. Paul Heely Jr. wrote: The backroom system has never gone down from a hardware failure. It has crashed/locked up for who knows what reason. I know that it should not happen but it can. The registers also have been known to lock up, more so than the backroom. If a register locks up there are other registers that can be used while the other is being re-booted. If the backroom system goes down and you are using just terminals then the whole operation is at a stand still until the system comes back up. You may say, but it only takes 5 minutes to do a complete shutdown and reboot, but this is 5 minutes that our customers have been standing around waiting for us. To them it seems like forever, and does not promote a very professional image. My main thought in favor of the 386's is that even if the backroom goes down, however remote, the operation that the customer sees is still functioning. On 14 Sep 1997 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but a terminal does NOT go down unless broken,... In my experience terminals are no more reliable than pc's (pc's running Linux, that is). ...while some of those 386 could go down. If one of the 386's goes down then only one of your lines is down. If you use terminals and your central machine goes down it takes all your lines with it. ...why should it crash (provided you put a power supply backup of course), I mean why more likely than those 386's? No more likely. I repeat: if the machine driving your terminals goes down, your whole system goes with it. If one of the 386's goes down, you've still got your other lines. John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI Yes, that's not a bad point, surviving machines in case of a crash... provided the software on the 386's is designed not to necessarily send everything immediately to the main dbase... ... but also PROVIDED there is no need to consult the main dbase, which is much likely necessary if you have to translate a barcode into a price + description to print + what else, or even before doing the sell maybe just to look for something the customer wants and see if it is available before walking some hundred meters looking for it... I think nobody would think about replicating data on each of the 386's! Having for sure surviving machines... would we have them in the end? I mean, what scares me is all that ethernet running here and there, it sounds more critical than a serial line (short or with a couple modems at worst for the longest paths). What happens if it is the ethernet connection that falls? (By the way, do _your_ 386's boot via ethernet or do they have Linux on their own hard disk?) Isn't it much a weaker point than only having to take care of one (or a few) Debian box(es) with strong software? (What geometrical configuration have you ethernet points, a bus?) On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, A. Paul Heely Jr. wrote: I think the 386's offer more capabilities than a terminal alone. Our machines use a bar code reader, a credit card scanner, control when the cash drawer opens, print to a receipt only printer, and print to the invoice printer. I don't see how you would get this much functionality out of just a terminal. What ports are these devices connected to? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb terminal + printer)
Thank you once again, you are so kind to me, but after sending _I_ realized that I may have been cryptic, I'm so sorry... I don't want to use the same output that I send to the display in order to drive the printer, just the opposite thing: I wonder whether or not I can have a Linux box talk SEPARATELY though via ONE ONLY SERIAL LINE with a console AND a printer; or do I need two serial lines and two separate serial ports? I my previous two messages I was meaning: sending output to the screen and getting input from the console - from the point of view of the code of the application running - does not change anything if the session is on a dumb terminal rather than on the main console (*), so now: 1) what about sending output TO A PRINTER which is NOT ON A PARALLEL PORT (lpt1, lpt2, ...) but is instead on a serial line? (Maybe I just need to write software which sends output to its stdout instead of stdprn, and that output is merely redirected to a com port... maybe such multiuser environments have typical and by now traditional solutions to my question... that's why I said I lack the basics.) 2) (already reproposed above) could that serial line be the same that goes to the dumb terminal? If yes, would the OS menage the distinction between the two devices or should _my_application_ (or some wrapper) be aware of the hardware each session runs on and eventually take care of sending special characters to say this goes to the display, this goes to the printer or should I just have two distinct cables run from the Linux box to the place where the dumb terminal and the printer are? ( (*) Nothing changes both if your application just appends output at the bottom of the screen using stdout/stderr and if you use curses to have full screen text output and input (curses uses infos from termcap or terminfo, say to drive a VT100 or much probably also a Wyse like the ones you have or plenty of other types...; if curses can handle the type of terminal you have connected, _your_ software won't need worry about what terminal the session is actually on. ) I suppose your energies are exhausted by now... but I still hope that someone will give me a clue. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: 1) What serial devices allow longer cables than RS232 without use of modems (say 10-100-200 meters)? 2) Are there multi port cards of that kind which run well with Debian? Any brandname + model? 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? Thanks to anyone willing to give a clue. On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote: 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? I have 2 old wyse 75 terminals, which have a Aux port. I think everything received by the terminal also goes out this port, though I've never tried it. On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Thank you for replying... sure I'm putting one question that involves just _the_basics_ of multi-user environments... I stopped making software for Windog an year ago, I really had enough of Microsoft and Borland, I bring lot of intensive C/C++ days and nights with me, I'm learning quite a lot on Linux which I had been using for about three years before deciding that IT IS greener grass, great tools, great minds searching QUALITY, greener grass indeed... I still lack the basics but now I need them, as I plan to build an application based on PostgreSQL running on a Debain GNU/Linux box with text dumb terminals. So I add one more question: from a software point of view, how would such a terminal+printer couple (if possible) get managed? Just something to say to the OS? On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote: So I add one more question: from a software point of view, how would such a terminal+printer couple (if possible) get managed? Just something to say to the OS? The way you set it up is you edit /etc/inittab and add a line similar to: S:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 19200 ttyS3 ZThis has init run a login program on the serial port. From that point on, it's as if you were
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb terminal + printer)
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote: 1) what about sending output TO A PRINTER which is NOT ON A PARALLEL PORT (lpt1, lpt2, ...) but is instead on a serial line? (Maybe I just need to write software which sends output to its stdout instead of stdprn, and that output is merely redirected to a com port... maybe such multiuser environments have typical and by now traditional solutions to my question... that's why I said I lack the basics.) I think you need 2 lines. Assumming you want your software to be able to direct some output to the printer and some output to the serial port, as it wishes without human intervention to flip a switch, you need a separate line for each. Also, while it's possible to have a device that prints out what comes to it on a serial line, a PC's printer port works quite differenlty than it's serial port, (you can't just plug a printer up to it), and so it will be more economical to use a standard printer. But I never heard of PC's with 8 or 16 LPTs, while I hear of multi serial IO cards with that number of ports. If yes, would the OS menage the distinction between the two devices or should _my_application_ (or some wrapper) be aware of the hardware each session runs on and eventually take care of sending special characters to say this goes to the display, this goes to the printer I've never heard of anything that did this. If you actually manage to find a serial terminal + printer combo that is switchable from terminal to printer mode via some escape sequence, then yes, linux could send the sigals. But I think that's unlikly. or should I just have two distinct cables run from the Linux box to the place where the dumb terminal and the printer are? probably. 1) What serial devices allow longer cables than RS232 without use of modems (say 10-100-200 meters)? 2) Are there multi port cards of that kind which run well with Debian? Any brandname + model? 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? I'll bet you're setting up a point of sale system. Bingo. I don't feel like doing it so much, but I should _hope_ to instead. If I were you, I would set up an ethernet network, (I wouldn't like so much to have that possibly pretty high number of ethernet points, I wouldn't like to be called once in a while and have to go looking for bad connectors and so on... maybe some CPU-intensive task deserves another complete powerful Debian box, maybe even more in future, but using ethernet just to have terminal+printer...) with a linux server, and POS systems that were 286 or 8088 machines with printers attached. Then you would set up software for the POS systems, to let them function as terminals, and/or output what data they receive to their printers. This fixes your cable length problem, you only run one cable, and the price is probably not much larger (unless you get them for free, dumb terminals cost more than you would expect). What is a POS system? What software runs on it? What does such a PC need to boot at startup? What ethernet cards are suitable for a 8088 or 80286? (And - ignoring noise from the fan and need to boot some software - will the people for which I will be building the application find good-looking one-year-warranty such outdated machines? And, last, I will most probably be stuck at 80x25... ok, I shall anyway _not_ be making assumptions on that point...). Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb terminal + printer)
Ah OK, _thank_you_ again... I do this once in a while with an old 286 PC... my last question was related mainly to the 'printer' side of the couple... I mean: _supposing_ that it is possible to have terminal+printer on the same serial line (I still hope to get answers to the original 3 questions here), would your software - C programs, perl script... - still manage a bare printer as they do for stdout/curses or would one have to open a peculiar _serial_ device and send escape codes to switch from the display to the printer or do other such ugly things? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: 1) What serial devices allow longer cables than RS232 without use of modems (say 10-100-200 meters)? 2) Are there multi port cards of that kind which run well with Debian? Any brandname + model? 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? Thanks to anyone willing to give a clue. On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote: So I add one more question: from a software point of view, how would such a terminal+printer couple (if possible) get managed? Just something to say to the OS? The way you set it up is you edit /etc/inittab and add a line similar to: S:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 19200 ttyS3 ZThis has init run a login program on the serial port. From that point on, it's as if you were sitting in front of the main machine, you can do all the things you'd expect to be able to do at a shell prompt. -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Where can I find pftp?
On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Luka Pravica wrote: Hi, I am using ppp to conect to my uni-server. I can connect and WWW is working fine. But because of some problems with the server the only way to use ftp is by using a linux program pftp (win users can't use no ftp programs at all :) :) ... can't resist... Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
su - user $CMD_OPTS_ARG
GNU bash, version 1.14.7(1) su - GNU sh-utils 1.12 (Debian 1.2.4, going to get room for 1.3.1 soon.) VAR=command options arg ; export VAR Calling su like this echo $VAR | su - user gives a stdin: is not a tty message but does a fine job. Calling su in this other way su - user -c $VAR results in ANYTHING AFTER THE FIRST SPACE CHARACTER to be executed, that is only command. No problems if I _write_ on the command line what had to be taken from $VAR: su - user -c command options arg -- EXAMPLE -- nick:~/test# ls -l total 3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 Sep 10 16:26 file1.cat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30 Sep 10 16:27 file2.cat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46 Sep 10 16:27 file3.cat nick:~/test# COMMAND='ls -l /root/test' ; export COMMAND nick:~/test# echo $COMMAND | su - nbern stdin: is not a ttytotal 3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 Sep 10 16:26 file1.cat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30 Sep 10 16:27 file2.cat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46 Sep 10 16:27 file3.cat nick:~/test# su - nbern -c $COMMAND --cut-- --cut-- ^ Here I get the same as from 'ls' done inside /home/nbern, that is COMMAND has been truncated to ls; it does not happen if I explicitly copy the content of $COMMAND to the command line: nick:~/test# su - nbern -c 'ls -l /root/test' total 3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 Sep 10 16:26 file1.cat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30 Sep 10 16:27 file2.cat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46 Sep 10 16:27 file3.cat nick:~/test# - Am i missing something? Cheers. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb terminal + printer)
1) What serial devices allow longer cables than RS232 without use of modems (say 10-100-200 meters)? 2) Are there multi port cards of that kind which run well with Debian? Any brandname + model? 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? Thanks to anyone willing to give a clue. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Can 2 CPU motherboard run not-SMP kernel?
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:50:02 -0700 From: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2 CPU servers -cut-- 2.0.31-pre7 seems to be working ok (no deadlocks). 2.0.30 or 2.0.29 with the deadlock-patch 6 works fine too. --cut-- Suppose that after buying a 2 CPU motherboard you find that with some I/O intensive application there are deadlocks, would a kernel compiled with no SMP run on that motherboard? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Force smail immediately retry mail delivery.
Which is the correct way to force smail immediately retry sending e-mail for which there was an error? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: su - user $CMD_OPTS_ARG
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: su - user -c $VAR GREAT! THANK YOU, fool I am, I had tried to put quotes _INSIDE_ $VAR, like in VAR='ls -l'!!! Thank you! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian + PC with multi RS... port - n x (text dumb terminal + printer)
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote: 3) What if the text dumb terminals connected to a Linux Box also need a printer each (or almost any of them)? Is it possible that data is sent to the printer and terminal via the same line? Brandname + model? I have 2 old wyse 75 terminals, which have a Aux port. I think everything received by the terminal also goes out this port, though I've never tried it. -- see shy jo Thank you for replying... sure I'm putting one question that involves just _the_basics_ of multi-user environments... I stopped making software for Windog an year ago, I really had enough of Microsoft and Borland, I bring lot of intensive C/C++ days and nights with me, I'm learning quite a lot on Linux which I had been using for about three years before deciding that IT IS greener grass, great tools, great minds searching QUALITY, greener grass indeed... I still lack the basics but now I need them, as I plan to build an application based on PostgreSQL running on a Debain GNU/Linux box with text dumb terminals. So I add one more question: from a software point of view, how would such a terminal+printer couple (if possible) get managed? Just something to say to the OS? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Can 2 CPU motherboard run not-SMP kernel?
Thanks to you all for answering! Good news then, it seems as SMP is not that critical... LINUX is really GREAT! Please, let me know if any of you remembers of motherboards that it is better stay far from. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jeff Noxon wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 05:18:10PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:50:02 -0700 From: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2 CPU servers -cut-- 2.0.31-pre7 seems to be working ok (no deadlocks). 2.0.30 or 2.0.29 with the deadlock-patch 6 works fine too. --cut-- Suppose that after buying a 2 CPU motherboard you find that with some I/O intensive application there are deadlocks, would a kernel compiled with no SMP run on that motherboard? Yes. In that case you just have an idle CPU. On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote: Yes, no problem with that. I still have the old Debian kernel image as a backup in my lilo.conf, all other kernels here are SMP (even the second single CPU machine I had ran the SMP kernel, so I could use the identical kernel image on both machines -- by now both machines here are DualPPros working fine). On 10 Sep 1997, Dale Martin wrote: That will work fine. I have had a vary stable SMP system, doing heavy I/O, using 2.0.14. It was in 2.0.15 that there was some reorganization of the interrupt code that started the deadlock problems. (2.0.30 with no patches would deadlock on me after less than an hour with my normal workload running, just as a datapoint. With deadlock patch 5 I had one lockup in a few weeks.) I have also heard that 2.1.51 is stable under SMP, but only from one person, and I have not tried it myself yet. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Colors in the prompt like in slackware ?
To also have .gz and .tgz in read quite like in slackware, you may also try putting in /etc the file I send as attachment and in /etc/profile these lines: # set up the color-ls environment variables: if [ $SHELL = /bin/zsh ]; then eval `dircolors -z` elif [ $SHELL = /bin/ash ]; then eval `dircolors -s` else eval `dircolors -b` fi I confess that I copied everything pretty monkeyshly from an old Slackware I removed long ago (when I noticed that for a veeery long time I had been booting and using Debian only), maybe those tests on $SHELL are unuseful with Debian... Actually I left them to set up the prompt too, if [ $SHELL = /bin/pdksh -o $SHELL = /bin/ksh ]; then PS1=! $ elif [ $SHELL = /bin/zsh ]; then PS1=%m:%~%# elif [ $SHELL = /bin/ash ]; then PS1=$ else PS1='\h:\w\$ ' fi PS2=' ' export PS1 PS2 though in this mailing list *MUCH* simpler commands appeared for that aim quite recently. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: See /usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz which describes how to get colors in the directory listings. The quick answer is: ls --color or alias ls='ls --color=auto' in sh type shells. I hope this helps. // Heikki -- Heikki Vatiainen * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tampere University of Technology * Tampere, Finland -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . # Configuration file for the color ls utility # This file goes in the /etc directory, and must be world readable. # You can copy this file to .dir_colors in your $HOME directory to override # the system defaults. # COLOR needs one of these arguments: 'tty' colorizes output to ttys, but not # pipes. 'all' adds color characters to all output. 'none' shuts colorization # off. COLOR tty # Extra command line options for ls go here. # Basically these ones are: # -F = show '/' for dirs, '*' for executables, etc. # -T 0 = don't trust tab spacing when formatting ls output. OPTIONS -F -T 0 # Below, there should be one TERM entry for each termtype that is colorizable TERM console TERM con132x25 TERM con132x30 TERM con132x43 TERM con132x60 TERM con80x25 TERM con80x28 TERM con80x30 TERM con80x43 TERM con80x50 TERM con80x60 TERM xterm TERM vt100 # EIGHTBIT, followed by '1' for on, '0' for off. (8-bit output) EIGHTBIT 1 # Below are the color init strings for the basic file types. A color init # string consists of one or more of the following numeric codes: # Attribute codes: # 00=none 01=bold 04=underscore 05=blink 07=reverse 08=concealed # Text color codes: # 30=black 31=red 32=green 33=yellow 34=blue 35=magenta 36=cyan 37=white # Background color codes: # 40=black 41=red 42=green 43=yellow 44=blue 45=magenta 46=cyan 47=white NORMAL 00 # global default, although everything should be something. FILE 00 # normal file DIR 01;34 # directory LINK 01;36 # symbolic link FIFO 40;33 # pipe SOCK 01;35 # socket BLK 40;33;01# block device driver CHR 40;33;01# character device driver # This is for files with execute permission: EXEC 01;32 # List any file extensions like '.gz' or '.tar' that you would like ls # to colorize below. Put the extension, a space, and the color init string. # (and any comments you want to add after a '#') .cmd 01;32 # executables (bright green) .exe 01;32 .com 01;32 .btm 01;32 .bat 01;32 .tar 01;31 # archives or compressed (bright red) .tgz 01;31 .arj 01;31 .taz 01;31 .lzh 01;31 .zip 01;31 .z 01;31 .Z 01;31 .gz 01;31 .jpg 01;35 # image formats .gif 01;35 .bmp 01;35 .xbm 01;35 .xpm 01;35 .tif 01;35
Re: Colors in the prompt like in slackware ?
To also have .gz and .tgz in read In red of course, sorry ^ Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Colors in the prompt like in slackware ?
Ah... yes, I read `man ls` and I have the 'auto' option on, actually I have this alias: alias ls='ls --color=auto -F -T 0' instead of using the $LS_OPTIONS environment variable, which by the way was quite different in that old Slackware: --8bit --color=tty -F -T 0 so I _had_ to look at the man page. In the previous posting I was just ADDING to the previous quoted answer... but YOUR one-line essential color-settings is quite cool! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, W Paul Mills wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: To also have .gz and .tgz in read In red of course, sorry ^ Besides the --color=auto option also set your LS_COLORS environment variable - I use: export LS_COLORS=:*.gz=31\;1:*.zip=31\;1:*.c=35:*.h=36: SEE: man ls : http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ -: : W. Paul Mills : Bill, I was there several years ago. : : Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. : Why would I want to go back tomorrow?: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Where were you! : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Linux: Tomorrow's operating system, : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] :here, today. : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : compuserve 70023,1750 : #define MY_TRUE_LOVE computer: :-- http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ -: -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SCSI Host Adapter (+ Re: 2 CPU servers)
BusLogic supports free software and is well supported under Linux? Very well. Probably I'll have one customer of mine buy new machines very soon, they will buy what I say. (Maybe me too - going to buy a new harddisk - will replace my Adaptec 2940 with a BusLogic instead of a 2940UW or 3940W or anything else from Adaptec.) Even the low-end BusLogic cards are pretty good. They just lack an onboard CPU to process SCSI requests. But thanks to BusLogic, the SCSI manager code was GPL'd and is integrated into the Linux driver. There was mention of a specific model, Buslogic BT-948: is it such a low-end card or one with that CPU onboard? Better question: what do you think is a medium-high level BusLogic card with good price/performance ratio and - most important - well performing (reliable and fast) with Debian GNU/Linux? And what about 2 CPU usage? I read on this list recently that the kernel is getting mature for Linux with such motherboards: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:50:02 -0700 From: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2 CPU servers [snip] 2.0.31-pre7 seems to be working ok (no deadlocks). 2.0.30 or 2.0.29 with the deadlock-patch 6 works fine too. [snip] Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SCSI Host Adapter (+ Re: 2 CPU servers)
THANK YOU SO MUCH for all infos, I won't miss the doc and WEB site you suggested (I also think they will deal with possible/real transfer rates, of course related to the kind of hard disk or other device you connect to the card). Cheers. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] RC5 challenge Config Performance
Just a P90 here, dial in PPP 2-6 times a day. It has been doing that only task this night (and so will in the next ones) and in about 7 hours it seems it has done 12 blocks and 50% of another. In these days I have to read tons of docs, debian and PostgreSQL, and do a very few things computationally expensive. Before I used my idle time running pov to build up some stereoscopic sequences from xaero and test some kind of decoupage when assembling different points of view. But this challenge is exciting, it may be won by the Linux community indeed, I think, if even a relatively small part of us gives some CPU-time. Bedises, the RC5 client does not really appear to affect what is being done in non-idle time, it must be practically stopped when anything else is being done. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] RC5 challenge Config Performance
GREAT! I wish *I* had that power to pump in too :-) (and to play with, myself). Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Tan Wee Yeh wrote: Nicola Bernardelli wrote, : Just a P90 here, dial in PPP 2-6 times a day. [snip] I'm pumping in 1 alpha500 + 2 PPro 200 + 1 P200mmx. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] RC5 challenge Config Performance
Ok :-) when I saw a small part of us I was still referring to the Linux community as a whole, not this mailing list :-) Anyway I confess that I hadn't saw on the WEB that 6:1 ratio apples/Linux. Ok, nice that we have guys like Tan Wee Yeh then! Worked out blocks coming...! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Tommy Lakofski wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Tan Wee Yeh wrote: Indeed it does but we have a lot of catching up to do... Apple's rate is currently 6 time that of ours... pls refer to: http://rc5stats.distributed.net/emtop100.idc I'm pumping in 1 alpha500 + 2 PPro 200 + 1 P200mmx. Looks like we probably can't do this without about 4000 pentium 100 class machines. Can someone post something about this to comp.os.linux.*? My news server doesn't seem to want to let me post (@%$^ PSI corporate internet). Thanks in advance, TL -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: problems with Adaptec AHA2x4x at installation
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, schaffer wrote: I have tried unsuccessfully tried several versions of Debian on machines with Adaptec 2x4x SCSI adapters. I haven't gotten around yet to see how the kernel is actually configured, but on bootup it recognizes the adapter and tries to initialise it ending in a kernel panic situation long before it tries to install the device drivers from the drv disk. I suspect that this is the cause of the problem. I have tried to fix the situation by building a custom kernel with the AIC7xxx driver compiled in, but I didn't manage to find a configuration wher the kernel fit on the resq floppy and still is functional. Does anybody have some suggestions. I really want to get Debian up on my main machine. Would it be possible to build a boot kernel that uses only floppy and ram-disk before loading the necessary device drivers from the drv disk? Somebody mentioned that the SuSe distribution uses this approach. This certainly would go a long way to solv my problem. Please reply by email: my newsfeed seems to carry this group only spuriously. Hartmann Schaffer Couldn't the problem come from other hardware? I have a Pentium 90 with Adaptec 2940, not the Wide one. Debian 1.1 needed a prebuilt kernel from the special ones in order to menage the Adaptec 2940, but sometimes later this was no more necessary... ...I think I'm not daydreaming when I say that while installing the Debian 1.2.4 base system the default prebuilt kernel immediately saw the adapter correctly. Later of course I built a 'customized' kernel, its compressed image is 357164 bytes. I could gzip and send the .config file to you if you want to give a look. (Linux has been running very fine on this system since the very first time I installed it on it, in Fall-Winter '95; I tried Yggdrasil, various Slackware versions, RedHat, and Debian is now definitely my choice and I have recently removed any distribution other than Debian.) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Message for Dale Scheetz and sendmail question for list
On Sun, 11 May 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. smtp-server= I've left it blank. So I think sendmail is where my problem lies. (I think I'm not giving any help... anyway:) I've left it blank but it uses smail (pine 3.95q, Debian 1.2.4), not sendmail... or better: 1) I have smail installed and not sendmail, 2) that field in pine configuration is blank, 3) changing configuration of smail DOES change the results, both for local delivery and for mail to be sent over the Internet via dialup PPP to my ISP. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. ---
Re: chmod 640 and not 644 /var/log/messages*
In the global /etc/profile or in the personal ~/.bash_profile put (or change its arg from the usual 022 value) the command: umask 027 Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Fri, 9 May 1997, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: How can I configure my box to chmod o-r the files: /var/log/messages* ? Thanks in advance. Andrea Arcangeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] HomePage: http://www.imola.queen.it/user/arcangeli/ Debian Mirror: ftp://dida43.deis.unibo.it/pub/debian/ Debian GNU _ _ _ | |(_)| | | | _ _ __ _ ___ _| | | || | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | | || | | | | |_| | |_| |__|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_(_) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Nicola == Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rather than commenting out the -ltermcap, you could replace it with -lncurses, and it will link fine. Ncurses has termcap emulation. GREAT! Actually, I was wondering about that... good that you gave a look at the diff file, thank you! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
Yes, compilation was possible also with -ltermcap just commented out, but _maybe_ (I haven't done a serious test) that the server log file was not exactly the same as with -lncurses after the intense regress test (wasn't it bigger without -lncurses?). Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Thu, 8 May 1997, Maarten Boekhold wrote: Rather than commenting out the -ltermcap, you could replace it with -lncurses, and it will link fine. Ncurses has termcap emulation. GREAT! Actually, I was wondering about that... good that you gave a look at the diff file, thank you! Ah, at my system this was resolved automagically because somewhere in the Makefile.global (I think) -lncurses was added somewhere. Maarten _ | Maarten Boekhold, Faculty of Electrical Engineering TU Delft, NL| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
I assume you tried building it from the debian sources? ie. postgres95 1.09? I have looked at your make-output, and am puzzled. I have build postgres95 version 1.08, 1.09 6.0 and 6.1beta several times on my system from the original sources, and never had any problems, certainly not like these. The only thing I consistently have to change is removing linking with -ltermcap in src/bin/psql/Makefile (Postgres thinks that all linux-systems have libtermcap...). I'll try... My guess is that the debian-sources are screwed up. Try grabbing a .tgz from ftp.postgresql.org Maarten ... And I was actually lookin on a Debian mirror for the source tree NOW: the same as on the CD where I had it already. So *THANKS A LOT* to you too, I'll take the source from ftp.postgresql.org. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ideas about moving Debian to another hard drive
This is more rude then that nice 'find' usage, anyway I moved an old Slackaware from the partition where I originally installed it to another partition just doing this: tar -cSpf- . | (cd /mnt/.; tar -xvSpf-) Then I replaced two characters in /etc/fstab and everything was working absolutely fine, so I could LATER decide to remove it from the original place. (Actually, I had already splitted before that old Slackware to more then one partition, with symbolic links for dirs NOT needed BEFORE mounting takes place during boot, links to dirs in partitions that were not involved, by the way, so it was all right after the above command just copied the symbolic links.) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Tue, 6 May 1997, Brian N. Borg wrote: find . -mount -depth -print|cpio -pdmv /newtempmount I have used this under Dgux, Sunos, Solaris and Hpux, and it has always worked correctly (although under Sunos and Hpux the switches are slightly different). I have used it to move root /usr and Oracle database volumes under Solaris. Time stamps, owner, group, permissions and hard and symbolic links are preserved. Sparse, database files done grow either. I have done it so often I could do it in my sleep, and probably have. Ken Gaugler wrote: Yeah, that time is here again, when I need more disk space. I have been thinking about moving my Debian to a larger drive, so I can take out the smallest drive to make room for a big one. This is a heartwrenching decision; It has taken a long time to get my system working like I want it; including up to 1.2 level. It seems really impractical to try to copy the data from one disk to another (correct me if I am wrong, please) because symlinks tend to get lost or messed up. Seems to me the most direct way to move the system is make new boot disks, install a base system from my old CD (1.1), upgrade in place to 1.2 using ftp, and then restore my favorite configuration files. Anyone have a better idea? Thanks! -- Key fingerprint = D6 A7 D7 8C 92 CB 42 FD 60 D5 62 1C D7 B9 EA 8E Ken Gaugler N6OSK Hybrid Networks, Inc. Cupertino, Calif. URL: http://www.hybrid.com (personal: keng at wco dot com URL: http://www.wco.com/~keng) The life of a Repo Man is ALWAYS INTENSE... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Really good looking screen savers....
So far Windogs screesavers aren't but a pain when compared to the ones I see in Linux, to me. I don't hate CPU-time consuming screensavers, just I use blank if anything has keep running or simply when actuall I'm not here... But I *like* things like hyper or bouboule or simply laser... And mystique flames, forest... Or drawings recalling some nice theory... or just performing interesting mathematics. It's just a nice place to show those things, instead of looking (where and why) for a peculiar package... when maybe I didn't know before of that theory... No, definitely my *thanks* to people implementing those stimulating graphics. By the way, I will upgrade from xlockmore-3.11 via ftp to see if that rotor mode has been fixed from being that slow. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Wed, 7 May 1997, Fredrik Ax wrote: On Wed, 7 May 1997, Sam Ockman wrote: Anyone know of any really good looking screen-savers...something like xlock, but that looks more like something Microsoft will have in Windows 97? Hmmm, screen-savers should be activated when there is no activity, in other words when no one is near the screen, hence there is no meaning for a screen-saver to be good looking. Imho a blank screen or even better a shut off monitor is the best screen-saver. In most xservers this is built in. I can see one reason to have a good looking screen saver in a lock program, that is if you are showing computers to a public audience which is allowed to walk around freely among the computers. I'm sorry but this doesn't really answer your question, but I so irritated of all cool cpu-time-eating screen-savers... Thanks, Sam /fax -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
On Tue, 6 May 1997, Maarten Boekhold wrote: I have looked at your make-output, and am puzzled. I have build postgres95 version 1.08, 1.09 6.0 and 6.1beta several times on my system from the original sources, and never had any problems, certainly not like these. The only thing I consistently have to change is removing linking with -ltermcap in src/bin/psql/Makefile (Postgres thinks that all linux-systems have libtermcap...). My guess is that the debian-sources are screwed up. Try grabbing a .tgz from ftp.postgresql.org DONE: 2197371 May 7 05:22 postgresql-v6.0.tar.gz Again, thanks to you all, thank you Maarten! NOW EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE QUITE * F I N E * both rebuilding and running it, no problems about any libbsd. I decided to leave the postgres95 destination directories as the default is (besides I plan to reinstall only the Debian _doc_ package later). What I simply did (type by hand, not from history, errors maybe in): - I had dselect purge the Debian packages (both packages: binaries and doc, and before also the two 1.09 packages mentioned below); this also removes postgres entries from files in /etc/: aliases, group, passwd, services. - ~/installing$ mkdir postgres95 cd postgres95 tar -zxvf ~/ftpdown/postgresql-v6.0.tar.gz cd .. patch -p0 postgres95-diff-v6.0 (- first attachment) cd postgres95/src make A ready to install message appears when everything is well done. as root: mkdir /usr/local/pgsql make install - I added to profile what is in the second attachment (and made sure that lines were active in the shell used afterwards); - as I wanted to have the original doc files too: cd /usr/local/pgsql mv ~/installing/postgres95/doc . cd doc/ cp ~/installing/postgres95/what else you want saved . - followed the first steps in the INSTALL text file in order to do startup and run an extensive test (which comes to take 20-30 megabytes on disk while running). There are some WARN: messages in the server log but I think they HAVE to be there after those tests as the output seems to be quite similar to what is expected, as you can see: ~/installing/dbase/postgres95/rebuild/postgres95/src/test/regress$ diff -b expected.out regress.out | less - before removing the tree ~/installing/postgres95, there seem to be a tutorial inside for postgres95 newbies, and I *AM*. - - - - About the debian source tree: I assume you tried building it from the debian sources? ie. postgres95 1.09? It was 1.01-1 and tonight I was (maybe blind at 4:30-5:30 a.m) not able to find via ftp but these two files (the first of which seems to override some postgres95 include files when installed): 21682 May 7 04:17 postgres95-dev_1.09-1.deb 128646 May 7 04:20 postgres95-doc_1.09-1.deb AND the same files I already have on the Debian 1.2.4 cdrom 356268 Aug 7 1996 postgres95-docs_1.01-1.deb 547906 Aug 7 1996 postgres95_1.01-1.deb I still get that source-code-level errors. Screwed up... maybe the Makefile's? Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- --- postgres95/src/bin/psql/Makefile.orig Wed May 7 12:28:42 1997 +++ postgres95/src/bin/psql/MakefileWed May 7 12:29:20 1997 @@ -29,17 +29,17 @@ ifeq ($(PORTNAME), ultrix4) LD_ADD+= -ltermcap else ifeq ($(PORTNAME), sparc) LD_ADD+= -ltermcap else ifeq ($(PORTNAME), linux) - LD_ADD+= -ltermcap +#LD_ADD+= -ltermcap else ifeq ($(PORTNAME), next) LD_ADD+= -ltermcap else ifeq ($(PORTNAME), bsdi) LD_ADD+= -ltermcap else ifeq ($(PORTNAME), BSD44_derived) --- postgres95/src/Makefile.global.orig Tue Jan 28 15:00:13 1997 +++ postgres95/src/Makefile.global Wed May 7 12:33:09 1997 @@ -61,17 +61,17 @@ # svr4 Intel x86 on Intel SVR4 # ultrix4DEC MIPS on Ultrix 4.4 # # Note that portname is defined here to be UNDEFINED to remind you # to change it in Makefile.custom. # # make sure that you have no whitespaces after the PORTNAME setting # or the makefiles can get confused -PORTNAME= UNDEFINED +PORTNAME=linux # Ignore LINUX_ELF if you're not using Linux. But if you are, and you're # compiling to a.out (which means you're using the dld dynamic loading # library), set LINUX_ELF to null
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
THANK YOU *SO MUCH* Karl Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Mon, 5 May 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Nicola == Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nicola Sad to say I don't give you a solution. Running the Nicola postmaster daemon actually results in a complain that it [...] I had the same problem, if I remember right. What I did was upgrade to the newer package on the ftp site, which has the libbsd bug fixed. -- Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg Portland, OR USA Debian GNU 1.2 Linux 2.0.30t -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
Do you mean you can't install or use it? Here with Debian 1.2.4 installation was quite cool a few days ago, then I had a rpc/rpcgen topic to understand... I haven't run Postgres95 yet... tomorrow morning I will try. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Sun, 4 May 1997, David Nowak wrote: 'lo I tried to install the package postgres95 but it needs the shared library libbsd.so. libbsd.so should be in the package libc5 but there is only libbsd.a :-( So how can I install the package postgres95 ? (I use Debian 1.2) -- David E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.mygale.org/06/nowak/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres95 / libbsd.so
Sad to say I don't give you a solution. Running the postmaster daemon actually results in a complain that it needs that library file and I don't have it in Debian 1.2.4 nor it was in 1.1 and it isn't in none of the 6 CD of InfoMagic Linux Developers' resource September 96. I tried to rebuild the Postgres95 binaries, just wanted to link the static library, but I get plenty of source-code-related errors (see gzipped attachment). I'm going to give a closer look to see what #ifdef ... may cause that mess of errors. PLEASE let me know if YOU find a solution (that is: library file or correct environment settings to rebuild the binaries or both or what else). THANK YOU, see you again. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Sun, 4 May 1997, David Nowak wrote: 'lo I tried to install the package postgres95 but it needs the shared library libbsd.so. libbsd.so should be in the package libc5 but there is only libbsd.a :-( So how can I install the package postgres95 ? (I use Debian 1.2) -- David E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.mygale.org/06/nowak/ postgres95-make-errs.gz Description: make - errors (gzipped)
Have diff to build ACM 4.8 in Linux
Last night I sent to the author a diff file that allows rebuilding (not with the DIS protocol disabled yet) in Debian Linux (1.2.4) of ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ra/rainey/acm/acm-4.8.tar.gz All but one of the changes were inside #ifdef __linux__ tests but the author will probably be aware of more appropriate macros to test, as some of those changes may be good for some other systems too, so I don't broadcast that diff file unless explicitly wanted by some ACM pilot looking forward to it. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: FAST ACM! But broken timer? Gurus needed. Was: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
There is a chance that THE ACM DEBIAN PACKAGE IS WORTH BEING RE-PREAPARED INCLUDING BINARIES BUILT WITH THE REAL_DELTA_T=no SETTING, that is the binaries given by the self-applying workaround I posted yesterday under the same subject (besides, they are compiled with more optimization than the original Makefile's do) and, say, almost the first and tiniest patch, labeled A, the one to be able to successfully run the 'configure' script and rebuild the binaries (actually the only one I prepared that is not so dirty to act on Makefile's produced by the 'configure' script itself, as the other patches do instead on going back to Imakefile's). I still think so about the binaries... as for the patch, it is not a damage but it could be avoided: after purging and re-installing the libelf0-dev package the tests done by the configure script run well without any change (also the ACM 4.8 configure tests find -lelf, yet other problems arise afterwards there, I'm looking at it just now), so in order to be able to rebuild the binaries there isn't but to put that symbolic link inside the directory /usr/include/sys: 'ln -s file.h filio.h'. END of _monologue_ about ACM 4.7 :-) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: FAST ACM! But broken timer? Gurus needed. Was: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
END of _monologue_ about ACM 4.7 :-) VERY last, I forgot: in order to make it easy to read with Ghostview, I also prepared (quite a lot of time ago) a version of acmdoc.ps with page order reversed than in the original (that is lower to higher, but yet no page numbers, I mean nothing else has been changed). That could be added to the Debian package (currently valid both for 4.7 and 4.8). (Maybe I can put it to that ftp site...) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PACKAGE CHANGE proposal, who should I submit?
Ok, I have it fast, but I would like other Debian users (including Linux newbies) to have it too. Who could I send my immediately following posting? I fear there's NOT a maintainer for that package at the moment. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: FAST ACM! But broken timer? Gurus needed. Was: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
SUMMARY: - I dare advance the proposal to slightly change the Debian acm-4.7 package (but Ian Murdock is not the maintainer of the package any more, so who should I say?). - I wonder (though I suppose not) whether gettimeofday() gives different values than in Linux in some non-Linux Unix boxes (say Sun, Sparc and the like). - I suppose there's something to see also with 'xlock -mode rotor', it is VERY slow here (Debian 1.2.4). 1) ACM 4.7 slow. -- There is a chance that THE ACM DEBIAN PACKAGE IS WORTH BEING RE-PREAPARED INCLUDING BINARIES BUILT WITH THE REAL_DELTA_T=no SETTING, that is the binaries given by the self-applying workaround I posted yesterday under the same subject (besides, they are compiled with more optimization than the original Makefile's do) and, say, almost the first and tiniest patch, labeled A, the one to be able to successfully run the 'configure' script and rebuild the binaries (actually the only one I prepared that is not so dirty to act on Makefile's produced by the 'configure' script itself, as the other patches do instead on going back to Imakefile's). Maybe in the past rebuilding of the binaries done in order to just switch to elf has not considered that the original a.out binaries distributed with Slackware may have been compiled with the REAL_DELTA_T=no setting. ( Actually, a more complete work could be done (*) to understand whether a (Pentium 90) PC is just slow enough to justify the REAL_DELTA_T=no setting. Well, a good job would also be that of getting able to rebuild ACM 4.8 under Linux and then prepare a Debian package! Not to start a competition [also because I think there is _already_ a winner :-)], but I see that RedHat (4.1) still has acm-4.7-5... while the 4.8 package brings a great IEEE standard for distributed computing, a spheroidal world... ftp.netcom.com/pub/ra/rainey/acm/ ) -- Why I say this? I looked at acm-4.7/src/manifest.h and acm-4.7/src/update.c and then prepared a small test to see if that gettimeofday(...) is working differently when compiled and used under that old Slackware August '95 and under Debian 1.2(.4)... it isn't, it's quite the same. I rebuilt acm-4.7 under that old Slackware both with and without the REAL_DELTA_T=no environment variable. AND THE FORMER IS FAST, THE LATTER IS SLOW, BOTH THERE UNDER SLACKWARE AUGUST '95 AND HERE UNDER DEBIAN 1.2.4, so: THE BINARIES GIVEN WITH SLACKWARE *MUST* HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT REAL_DELTA_T=no, AND ACTUALLY THEY ARE FAST HERE UNDER DEBIAN TOO! THE BINARIES GIVEN WITH DEBIAN (and RedHat 3.0.3, didn't test 4.1 yet) MUST HAVE BEEN BUILT WITHOUT THAT SETTING and the result (almost here) is very slow motion... ... by the way, why? (*) Maybe that gettimeofday(...) function works differently on systems others than Linux? Nevertheless, acms says about 31 fps: the src/manifest.h header has a compile switch that allows watching frame rate, WATCH_FRAME_RATE actually. Then you also have to change the related printf(...) output in src/update.c to fprintf(stderr, ...) to really have it. Someone owning a non-Linux Unix box, say Sun or Sparc or AIX, should compile and run timetest.c, 1st attachment, and compare the kind of numbers given with the ones in sample-result.cat, 2nd attachment... but I suppose that's *NOT* the point, err. I can't understand how the return values of that daily function can be so great yet, but probably tons of software born on various non-Linux Unix boxes and relating on that function are working quite well once rebuilt and run under Linux, so the true point is that the src/update.c function should be well understood. -- -- -- 2) xlockmore-3.11 about 'xlock -mode rotor' being that slow: no news, still to do. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Thu, 1 May 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Sad to say, I'm not replying to my own question about Air Combat Maneuvers under Debian 1.2.4... Not yet... ... And not yet, but I can rebuild
Re: Audio, Printer queue and Mouse button
Just answering N. 1 (I hope this URLs still exist, it is a long I don't visit them). If it is an AWE 32 (I don't have it, so didn't test that driver): http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/ There is probably no need to go to the following: http://xfactor.wpi.edu/private/witek/awe/ Maybe these can be useful in future: http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html http://www.dandelion.com/Linux/ (It was a pleasure to answer copying the addresses with gpm paste capacity, from one virtual console to another.) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Daniel Karlsson wrote: Hi! I've got three questions: 1) I have no sound on my computer. I guess I don't have a proper module installed, but I don't seem to have one. Could anyone tell me its name if this is the fault? I have a Soundblaster 32 sound card. It works fine with Windows so there's no wrong with the card. 2) How do I empty the printer queue? 3) How can I make my middle mouse button work. I've tried all options in the configuration, but none of them works. Thank you, _ __ __ | _ \ | |/ / | E-post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | ' / | WWW : http://www-und.ida.liu.se/~c95danka/ | | | | | | | Tel : 013 - 17 82 76 | | |_| | | . \ | Adress: Rydsvägen 246 C:21 584 34 LINKÖPING | |/ aniel |_|\_\ arlsson |__| -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
FAST ACM! But broken timer? Gurus needed. Was: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Sad to say, I'm not replying to my own question about Air Combat Maneuvers under Debian 1.2.4... Not yet... ... And not yet, but I can rebuild the binaries now... I notice that with a workaround ACM runs fast. But it is not a clean solution, and together with 'xlock -mode rotor' being that slow it makes me wonder about possible changes to some timers (?) behaviour under Debian. PLEASE, give a look at the script I put as first text attachment, I've been working some time to write those remarks, there is a section in great evidence focusing the problem. The script is replicated in the tgz I put as second attachment, also containing the patch files used by the script. (Last night I also got ACM 4.8 from ftp.netcom.com/pub/ra/rainey/acm/ and it is even a greater package to learn from, but I can't rebuild it for Linux yet, this time :-) it seems it is not enough going to /usr/include/sys/ and typing 'ln -s file.h filio.h', nor I can fix the -lelf test done by the configure script just with -L/usr/lib/elf.) Thanks to anybody getting curious about this (so far) misterious timing topic. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- #!/bin/bash # Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Debian 1.2.4 # May 1st 1997. Dirty workaround (a few tiny patches) to rebuild ACM # and have it run fast. # I'm a newbie to Debian Linux so please consider just READING this # script, checking that nothing here is going to put your system in a # mess, and possibly running each step typing it by hand (don't forget # the environment variable) and checking what the result is before # proceeding (of course everything is fine HERE with the acm-4.7-3 # source tree found in the Debian 1.2.4 CD from CheapBytes [that is # ftp'ed from the Debian site]). # As you can see, the Debian 1.2(.4) CD is assumed to be mounted under # /cdrom but you will most probably comment out that line and untar # the acm source tree by yourself. Anyway you should be in the parent # of the acm-4.7/ directory where the source tree starts. # patch A could be avoided: # # 1) if -lelf was working in the test performed by the configure #script (which is not, almost here, I have to say -L/usr/lib/elf #to ld, though that library appears in the result of 'ldconfig -v' #or 'ldconfig -D'); # 2) if you put a symbolic link inside /usr/include/sys: #ln -s file.h filio.h # The other patches are rather brutal as they act AFTER the configure # script to modify the produced Makefiles. Like this (and with context # diff files!) if any peculiarity of the system leads to slightly # different Makefiles then automatic application of the patches is # most likely going to fail. THAT'S WHY I SUGGEST TO PROCEED MANUALLY # STEP BY STEP. And if any patch fails, then it should be rather easy # to read the patch file yourself and modify the destination file with # an editor. Of course, a clean job would be going back to the # Imakefile's and act BEFORE the configure script. # - #I M P O R T A N T # # Everything is configured and compiled with REAL_DELTA_T=no but it # should *NOT* be necessary: old binaries working well under other # Linux installations I tested/I still have here on the same machine # are VERY slow with Debian 1.2.4, just like if I rebuild the binaries # without that environment variable set to no. I was trying to do # some profiling (*) (just add -pg to the optimization flags turned on # by patch B1, or proceed A-configure-B-C instead of A-configure-B1-C1 # in order to do profiling on the binaries built without the # REAL_DELTA_T=no environment setting) but I have not investigated # that much so far... maybe USE OF A TIMER... maybe some system guru # has the answer immediately (but none answered so far on the mailing # list debian-user@lists.debian.org). # # # Also (but don't know whether it is related or not) # 'xlock -mode rotor' # is very slow and is worth some profile session. In the patches/ # directory there is a patch I applied HERE to the source tree got # as # /cdrom/rex-fixed/source/x11/xlockmore_3.11.orig.tar.gz # + # /cdrom/rex-fixed/source/x11/xlockmore_3.11-3.diff.gz # # in order to be able to rebuild the executeable and to switch on # profiling (**). What about that sub_timers(...) function? # # # (*) (**) See 'man gprof
Re: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Sad to say, I'm not replying to my own question about Air Combat Maneuvers under Debian 1.2.4... Not yet... ... And not yet, but I can rebuild the binaries now. I found that the configure script did not actually complain for lack of any random generator, instead silently it was getting an error from ld, unable to link -lelf; afterwards, src/server.c was trying to include filio.h, which seem to be well represented by file.h; so here are two very small patch files, see attachments (of course, the first one may not be necessary... I tried reconfiguring ld but I still HAD to do that change to the configure script; and for the second, you could avoid it just creating inside /usr/include/sys/ a symbolic link filio.h - file.h). Now, inside the acm-4.7 dir: ./configure ./make cd src ./acms (now under an xterm session of course) ./acm -geometry 320x200 Everything still slw. Maybe the keyboard or the mouse configuration? What's so heavy? Or is it some timer that works in a different way under Debian (1.2.4) than under Slackware (almost up to 3.1 December '96)? I mean, today it is ACM, tomorrow may be a cad or mathematics package or whatelse. Why is it so slow under Debian? Is the rotor mode of xlock slower than elsewhere too? A-ehm, I was forgetting... About that complain, it was something like can't load libX11.so...: saw ld documentation, incompatible binary types... Damn, just installed xcompat and that was ok. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- 585c585,586 LIBS=$LIBS -lelf --- # LIBS=$LIBS -lelf LIBS=$LIBS -L/usr/lib/elf 20c20,24 #include sys/filio.h --- #if defined(__linux__) #include sys/file.h #else #include sys/filio.h #endif current-kernel-config.gz Description: Current kernel config.
Re: Amiga Filesystem mounting bother.
I couldn't try anything with FFS yet (anything but some floppies I could not mount, see my question below), but I think there is a chance that you should try mounting each single partition on a single mount point, as you do with any partitioned disk, that is: NOT /dev/hdd but /dev/hdd1, /dev/hdd2, /dev/hdd3, /dev/hdd4. For instance, supposing you have a /mnt directory: rmdir /AMIGA mkdir /mnt/amiga1 mkdir /mnt/amiga2 mkdir /mnt/amiga3 mkdir /mnt/amiga4 mount -t affs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/amiga1 mount -t affs /dev/hdd2 /mnt/amiga2 mount -t affs /dev/hdd3 /mnt/amiga3 mount -t affs /dev/hdd4 /mnt/amiga4 Try also without the '-t affs' parameter. And let me know! QUESTION: which filesystem is on Amiga FLOPPIES? Now your question made me curious and I tried mounting some Amiga 600 floppies, say just the Workbench ones and not games, to be sure not to be dealing with strange filesystems. (Actually, I have a communication package for Amiga here on the PC, I got it from a BBS, and it would be nice to give it to my brother's Amiga just via floppy.) I tried both the following: mount -t affs /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy With any of the above commands I get (to whatever virtual console I switch to) 16 times the line floppy0: probe failed... and then this one end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00, sector 0 then again 16+1 16+1 and so on, until I kill the mount process. This is the result of 'cat /proc/filesystems' with the kernel I used to do the test: ext2 minix msdos nodev proc iso9660 affs hpfs xenix sysv coherent ufs vfat Actually, the affs filesystem support here is currently configured as a module, but this works quite fine for hpfs and msdos (and a lot of other things such as PPP). Just to be sure, after I send this message I immediately try rebuilding the kernel with affs support 'Y' and not just 'M'odule. But the answer is probably that floppies do have another kind of filesystem and you won't see any appendix to this message with it works inside. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Brian Skreeg wrote: Hi there, After some very successful tests with UAE I`ve decided to strip my A1200 drive out and shove it in my PC. I`ve recompiled my kernel with both affs and loop device support (not moduled, compiled straight in). But I`m still unable to mount this drive. The drive is a 420 Conner drive. It`s configured correctly in the BIOS as Secondary slave (/dev/hdd?). The drive is split into 4 partitions all formatted on the amiga using standard FastFileSystem. SYS: DH0: DH1: DH2: I`ve created a mountpoint called /AMIGA. Doing... mount /dev/hdd /AMIGA -t affs produces the following; # mount /dev/hdd /AMIGA -t affs mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, or too many mounted file systems # Here`s the bootup log from /var/log/messages. Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: loop: registered device at major 7 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL1080A, 1039MB w/83kB Cache, LBA, CHS=528/64/63 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hdb: WEARNES CDD-120, ATAPI CDROM drive Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hdc: ST3660A, 520MB w/120kB Cache, LBA, CHS=1057/16/63 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hdd: Conner Peripherals 420MB - CFS420A, 406MB w/64kB Cache, CHS=826/16/63 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: Partition check: Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hda: hda1 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hdc: hdc1 hdc2 Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: hdd:Dev 16:40 Sun disklabel: bad magic Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: Dev 5696: RDB in block 0 has bad checksum Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: unknown partition table Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Apr 17 20:21:21 scorch kernel: Adding Swap: 41324k swap-space Apr 17 20:21: Judging by this the kernel isn`t understanding the partition table for some reason. 2 of the partitions used to be AFS (another new miggie file system) but have now been formatted to FFS. Am I on the right track? The drive is fine in the amiga but linux just can`t seem to mount it. The drive I`m
Re: Amiga Filesystem mounting bother.
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: QUESTION: which filesystem is on Amiga FLOPPIES? Ok, just noticed this in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Configure.help: Amiga FFS filesystem support (EXPERIMENTAL) CONFIG_AFFS_FS The Fast File System (FFS) is the common filesystem used on harddisks by Amiga (tm) Systems since AmigaOS Version 1.3 (34.20)... ... Amiga floppies however cannot be read with this driver due to an incompatibility of the floppy controller used in an Amiga and the standard floppy controller in PCs and workstations. Read Documentation/filesystems/affs.txt. ... Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: Sad to say, I'm not replying to my own question about Air Combat Maneuvers under Debian 1.2.4... Not yet. Just have done some cleanup on my kernel configuration, with no change - in any of many steps taken - to the behaviour of Air Combat Maneuvers in Debian Linux (nor, whether it is related or not, to the speed of the rotor mode of the xlock screensaver). I attach the diff file which goes from the kernel .config I had included to the current one, so maybe someone willing to investigate can waste less time than I did. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- 20c20 CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION=y --- # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set 24c24 # CONFIG_PCI_OPTIMIZE is not set --- CONFIG_PCI_OPTIMIZE=y 26c26 CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=m --- CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y 51c51 # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRITON is not set --- CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRITON=y 57,62c57,59 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=y CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m CONFIG_MD_STRIPED=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y --- # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set 72c69 CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y --- # CONFIG_IP_FORWARD is not set 75,77d71 # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m CONFIG_ARPD=y 83c77 CONFIG_INET_RARP=m --- # CONFIG_INET_RARP is not set 91,92c85 CONFIG_IPX=m # CONFIG_IPX_INTERN is not set --- # CONFIG_IPX is not set 96,97c89 CONFIG_NETLINK=y CONFIG_RTNETLINK=y --- # CONFIG_NETLINK is not set 115,116c107,108 CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y --- # CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS is not set 152,153c144,145 CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_EQUALIZER=m --- # CONFIG_DUMMY is not set # CONFIG_EQUALIZER is not set 169,171c161 CONFIG_ARCNET=m CONFIG_ARCNET_ETH=y CONFIG_ARCNET_1051=y --- # CONFIG_ARCNET is not set 192,193c182,183 CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y --- CONFIG_FAT_FS=m CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=m 198,200c188 CONFIG_SMB_FS=m CONFIG_SMB_WIN95=y CONFIG_NCP_FS=m --- # CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set 207,208c195,196 CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL=y CONFIG_SMD_DISKLABEL=y --- # CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL is not set # CONFIG_SMD_DISKLABEL is not set 220c208 CONFIG_UMISC=y --- # CONFIG_UMISC is not set 224,229c212,213 CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y # CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT is not set CONFIG_WDT=m # CONFIG_WDT_501 is not set CONFIG_PCWATCHDOG=m CONFIG_RTC=y --- # CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set # CONFIG_RTC is not set
Re: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4 // xlock -mode rotor ???
Sad to say, I'm not replying to my own question about Air Combat Maneuvers under Debian 1.2.4. And I'm not forwarding it again unless required, and possibly by private e-mail, being that a rather big message. I just have to point out a couple of things. 1) Ian Murdock is not the maintainer of the package anymore. On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Ian Murdock wrote: I had previously sent this to Ian Murdock, who maintains the package (and who invited me to post the question to the list): Actually, I don't maintain the package anymore; that's why I pointed you to debian-user. :) I'm so sorry, excuse me, of course I couldn't know! 2) I'll add the minimum quick-start hints to give anybody willing to dig into the problem but NOT using a well running ACM before the chance to distinguish what VEEERY SLOW means: - Pentium 90 running both the acms server and the acm graphics frontend. - 320x200 window (not everything is readable but it's rather fast even at low altitude maneuvers over the airport; inside a larger desktop run acm -geometry 320x200, otherwise write a simple script, say ~/goacm, which you run from text console and which puts in action a XF86Config file - see attachment - limiting the X desktop to that low resolution, then calls starx, then reputs in action the all-modes XF86Config; a similar limit to 1024x768 could work e.g. for Battle Zone). - Mouse cursor centered in the head-up display. - Press h twice: flaps down. With a slower machine eventually press r twice: radar off. - Immediately one after the other press 4 and a: full throttle and afterburner. In a well running ACM: IN 3-4 SECONDS the left vertical rudder should reach 150 (knots) - Here if you find it interesting you can smoothly pull back the mouse and take off, keep the small circle (flight path marker) on the 20 degrees up line, at 200-250 knots press y twice (flaps up), at 400-450 knots press a (toggle afterburner to off)... you'll enter the clouds and exit soon, press n and shake the mouse a little, then press n again... you have better read the postscript documents if you really decide to fly ACM, and train quite a lot to land safe (if you're not a pilot, I mean), which is to me the most beautiful thins, especially with a broken engine or unbalanced plane or at least with minimum throttle (20%, which is anyway less difficult than with broken engine or with no fuel). BY THE WAY, the rotor mode of xlock seems very slow too, isn't it? I mean, under an old Slackware '95 (and 3.1 December 9.6 and other distributions I gave a look at) I saw it so fast that full geometric shapes appeared quickly changing, and not a running point. I find Debian great under many aspects, pon/poff, mgetty, I've well understood and configured the /etc/X11/fvwm2/.fvwm2 hooks and noticed that the install-deinstall procedures for some packages automatically update the /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook (I'm thinking about posting a couple of messages after this, one to help ex-Slackware users with a minimum fvwm2 menu setup and one for the Italian users to fix correspondence of a few keys). I was really hoping to be able to rebuild not only ACM version 4.7 but also that (still beta?) 4.8 with that IEEE standard for networked distributed computation... I find fast X graphics fascinating since I was a kid (what a surprise it was to have Battle Zone, cbzone, under my first Linux install). Nothing you can find under Windogs... as A LOT of other goodies anyway. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- # The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514, P9000, AGX, W32, Mach64) Section Screen Driver accel Device California Graphics ST2000p Monitor Sony Multiscan 17se Subsection Display Depth 8 Modes 320x200 # Modes 1024x768 1280x1024 1504x1128 1600x1200 1600x1280 320x200 400x300 640x480 800x600 ViewPort0 0 #Virtual 1024 768 #Virtual 1280 1024 #Virtual 1600 1280 EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 16 Modes 320x200 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 320x200 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 32 Modes 320x200 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection
Some minor post-install TUNINGs
As I told in my previous posting, I think Debian is great. But this does not imply that only _gurus_ may want to use it. It took some time to me to find out how to do some tunings after installing from scratch, nothing so important but anything unuseful I think. Here I give four attachments. Probably most readers on this mailing list can do better, but here I am. 1) Some lines which I decide to let survive both from the Debian default /etc/profile and from the one I have in an old Slackware (August '95); they provide setup - to show the current dir path in the shell prompt, - to have colors (red for gzipped) in files lists from ls (if going directly to a terminal, not e.g. to less or grep or a file) plus the eventual symbol for the file type (@ link, * executeable... so it is already ok also for a monochrome terminal), - to have less as a pager for man and to have ascii output from man (good - almost here - both in text mode console and in xterm sessions, otherwise in the former some strange characters are shown). 2) ls colors, to be set up be a call done by the previously attached sample /etc/profile script. It comes from Slackware August '95. 3) Done here under Debian 1.2.4, performs some tuning of X and fvwm2 OVERWRITING FILES, so please create some dir such as /looking/ and untar staying in it, and give a look comparing what YOU have and what is going to overwrite it, not only links to null.hook (nothing-doers, predispositions for plug-ins) but also Debian default files which you might already have modified, e.g. you may want to save your own /etc/X11/Xresources file and then overwrite mine, which is the Debian 1.2.4 default + lines I also copied to added-to-Xresources.cat, and finally add those lines to YOUR file with a command such as 'cat added-to-Xresources.cat Xresources'. Colors are rather dark and with not much contrast to minimize eyestrain (almost here with this pretty good display, otherwise if they are too dark to well read then take it as a hint on where to change those colors). - The desktop background color and a first xterm instance have been left to each user's ~/.xsession file (NOT ~/.xinitrc, which should take care of ANY of the actions otherwise performed by the global xinitrc file, which is /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, actually a link to /etc/X11/Xsession; that clever script looks both at the system-wide and at the user's Xresources and Xmodmap files, and at the user's ~/.xsession file, and takes care of resources merge). - Xresources has been added default colors for emacs (grey on black instead of black on white) and default colors and font for xterm (grey background, 7x14 font). Notice that some xterm settings such as scrollbar presence are left to the invocation done by ~/.xsession or via the fvwm2 menu and will not be automatically inherited by xterm instances eventually coming from typing 'xterm ' in a scrollbar-fournished xterm session. - The fvwm2 mouse-button-1 menu has been added shell and screensaver+screenlock popups. This has been done using the hooks in /etc/X11/fvwm2/.fvwm2, not modifying what is in /etc/X11/fvwm2 (notice that /etc/X11/fvwm2/menudefs.hook is maintained by the Debian install/deinstall procedures; great Debian, great idea those hooks). The screensaver/screenlock modes are the ones currently (Debian 1.2.4) mentioned in the help given by xlock. 4) The last attachment is only useful (if not as a [bad?] hint) to PC users with an Italian keyboard. I had to fix correspondence of a few keys and I just used the Xmodmap way because could not find what to change after reading this in XF86Config: Section Keyboard Protocol Standard AutoRepeat500 5 Xkbkeycodes xfree86 XkbTypes default XkbCompat default XkbSymbolsen_US(pc102)+it -- XkbGeometry pc EndSection If I've put any mistakes before posting the files please don't miss to notify to me! Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for bash(1). PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: # PS1=\\$ # export PATH PS1 ulimit -c unlimited umask 022 if [ $SHELL = /bin/pdksh -o $SHELL = /bin/ksh ]; then PS1=! $ elif [ $SHELL = /bin/zsh ]; then PS1=%m:%~%# elif [ $SHELL = /bin/ash
ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4
SUMMARY: I find problems with Air Combat Maneuvers coming as Debian (1.2.4) package, both trying to run it (can't load libX11.so.6 and once that is done with a workaround there is very slow motion) and trying to rebuild the binaries (random number generators, a portability problem which the man page says has been fixed). The problems may not just involve the (networked) ACM simulator itself, so I think some other Debian users may be interested. Slackware and RedHat are also mentioned. As I will be away and so not able to read incoming messages since tomorrow Thursday 24th until Monday 28th, I'll try to do an exhaustive report with this unique posting, though bandwith-intensive, I beg everybody's pardon in advance. I had previously sent this to Ian Murdock, who maintains the package (and who invited me to post the question to the list): --- Forwarded message --- Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:47:28 -0200 (GMT+2) From: Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ACM 4.7-3 with Debian Linux 1.2.4 I can't run ACM 4.7 under Debian Linux 1.2.4, from which CD I had dselect install it. It's not a problem of my P90 system, I have by now some hundred hours ACM flight under and old Slackware installation (and some with a quite recent Slackware and RedHat). Here is what I get when I run acms. I tried putting symbolic links in /usr/lib and even /lib to have libX11.so.6 appear there (actually, inside /usr/X11R6/lib/ the libX11.so.6 itself is a symbolic link to libX11.so.6.1), but the result does not change: acms: can't load library '/usr/lib/libX11.so.6' Unknown error acms: can't load library '/lib/libX11.so.6' Unknown error acms: can't find library 'libX11.so.6' Here is my /etc/ld.so.conf file (I ran ldconfig after adding the last line, and I did it also with the X11 files already installed): /usr/local/lib /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout /usr/X11R6/lib I tried rebuilding with the environment variables x_includes and x_libraries initialized as the README explains (respectively /usr/X11R6/include and /usr/X11R6/lib) but when I run ./configure I get complains about the random number generators: checking for gcc checking for a BSD compatible install checking for ranlib checking how to run the C preprocessor checking for ANSI C header files checking for stdlib.h checking for malloc.h checking for unistd.h checking for elf.h checking for return type of signal handlers checking for X include and library files with xmkmf checking for X include and library files directly checking for -lXt checking for -laudio checking for AuCloseServer checking for ACloseAudio checking for -lnsl checking for -lsocket checking for -ldnet_stub checking for -lbsd checking for -lm checking for strdup checking for gettimeofday checking for setsid checking for rand checking for random Hmm. Your system does not support either random() or rand(). ACM needs one of the random number generators to operate. (Actually, I was also hoping to be able to rebuild with some Pentium optimization switched on, and by the way I wonder if the XF86_W32 server also exists in [possibly prebuilt binary] Pentium-optimized version.) The diff file on the CD seems to have already been applied. Please, can you help me? Enf of Forwarded message --- Of course I also tried putting a symbolic link in /usr/lib and even in /lib to /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6, but it didn't work. Why not try with THE OLD library file? So I have put a link to the same file I have in an old Slackware, August '95: libX11.so.6 - /mnt/linuxOld/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 NOW acms, the server process, succesfully starts and so does the frontend acm, but everything is VERY slow, also with another X server binary, an alfa (3.2A) I got a few months ago via ftp (...the one coming with Slackware 3.1 December '96 had no ics5341 ramdac awareness yet, while I was using _one_year_before_ that improvement done by Koen Gadeyne...). With that same X server, acms was running very fast (just thanks to the Pentium optimized kernel I suppose) under Slackware 3.1 and also under RedHat 3.03 (for the latter, PROVIDED I FIRED THE *OLD* acms binary and *NOT* the one coming with the RedHat package, which gave a similar slow motion too!!! but unfortunately with Debian 1.2.4 this makes no difference). I put some few attachments that _may_ (or may not) be involved: - result of startx with the two X servers I tried (--- those PEX and XIE complains reveal that also OTHER libraries are NOT loaded - maybe ANY - which ARE currently installed in /usr/X11R6/lib ---) - result of 'ldconfig -D' - result of 'ps -aux' - kernel configuration... Could it be the loopback device the cause of such slow motion? battle zone (cbzone), not a Debian package (yet, as I know) and not a networked game, has
pon/poff not as root, like this?
Running pon/poff as root is quite straightforward, otherwise... On my Linux box with Debian 1.2.4 I created a pppusers group, I let user nbern (born as member of group users) be a member of it (and also a member of dialout, which is the group of /dev/ttyS1), and I set the following files as belonging to the pppusers group: /etc/ppp.chatscript with r-- permission for the group /etc/ppp.options_out /etc/ppp/options (no pap and no chap is currently used, the whole login sequence is done by chat... my previous ISP had pap but that is not crypted either [and this provider is much more efficient for the rest than our national monopolyst]) /usr/sbin/pppd with r-x permission for the group /etc/ppp/ip-up /etc/ppp/ip-down /etc/connect-errors with rw- permission for the group /var/log/ppp.log- It seems to make no difference I could go up to this point, where I was stuck: Apr 22 11:04:41 nick pppd[2036]: pppd 2.2.0 started by nbern, uid 1000 Apr 22 11:05:01 nick pppd[2036]: Serial connection established. Apr 22 11:05:02 nick pppd[2036]: ioctl(PPPIOCGUNIT): Operation not permitted Apr 22 11:05:02 nick pppd[2036]: ioctl(PPPIOCGDEBUG): Operation not permitted Apr 22 11:05:02 nick pppd[2036]: Exit. I could run pon as nbern only after typing this as root: - chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd --- Notice, no difference with g+s or g-s (g+s alone does not work). But I _have_ to give pppd to the pppusers group, otherwise I get this complain again: /usr/bin/pon: /usr/sbin/pppd: Permission denied Here I am. IS ALL THIS CORRECT OR AM I MISSING SOME SECURITY ISSUE? I'll be away since tomorrow Thursday 24th and won't be able to read incoming messages until Monday 28th, so please don't think I'm not polite if I don't answer immediately. Anyway, thank you in advance. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: pon/poff not as root, like this?
On 23 Apr 1997, James LewisMoss wrote: Nicola I'll be away since tomorrow Thursday 24th and won't be Nicola able to read Nicola incoming messages until Monday 28th, so please don't think Nicola I'm not polite if I don't answer immediately. Nicola Anyway, thank you in advance. I'm here... damn... :-( food intoxication the doctors say... nice pink spots this morning when I woke up, though nearly none in my face. chown root.pppuser /usr/sbin/pppd chmod 4750 /usr/sbin/pppd YES, I had included and then cut away these lines: # ls -l /usr/sbin/ppp* -rwsr-x--- 1 root pppusers75944 Dec 7 23:54 /usr/sbin/pppd* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7796 Dec 7 23:54 /usr/sbin/pppstats* Ok, THANK YOU a lot Jim for parsing my actions, so I can say I have it now. Nicola -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 1.2.4 list of known problems
I have just noticed that this message was not correctly delivered on Thursday 17 April, I'm sorry, I send it again now. - Original message follows - [ Part 2: Included Message ] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:34:21 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: 1.2.4 list of known problems On 16 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote: If I understood right, this is known bug on which order the packages are installed and has being worked. You can solve this by choosing 'install' again in dselect. BTW, put /usr/X11R6/lib in yout /etc/ld.conf and run ldconfig if you have not done it. Thank you very much. I had also another reply via private e-mail, Marco Frattola [EMAIL PROTECTED] kindly sent the following to me (pointing out that it may not be up to date): Subject: List of installation problems for 1.2 The following list was composed from reports of those who have already installed Debian GNU/Linux 1.2. If you are having any trouble with your installation, consult this list for possible solutions. 1. Already reported as a bug: Can't find xlib6 so file. Add /usr/X11R6/lib to ld.so.conf and run ldconfig. 2. Dselect fails to satisfy pre-depends for perl (libdl1) Installing ldso by hand solves the problem. 3. Bug#5659: dpkg-gencontrol fails in chown new files listfile. Possible patch. 4. New sendmail fails to use old .cf file One report indicates re-installation fixes the problem. 5. Cron dies. (actually never starts) Run update-rc.d cron defaults 6. Gcc depends on cpp, but cpp conflicts with gcc. Retag gcc and re-run deselect. 7. Modconf messes up screen display on some lines. Possible dialog problem? 8. /bin/perl disapears and reappears during installation. Replace link by hand: ln -s /usr/bin/perl /bin/perl 9. Bug#5479 dpkg fails to preserve set id bits when copying files. No fix reported (possible patch) 10. gpm preinstall can't remove old gpm Remove by hand using dpkg --purge. 11. xbase can't remove xdm and xfs Remove by hand using dpkg --purge. 12. libg++ and libg++-dev conflict. Re-running the installation fixes it. 13. dependent packages bomb because libc5 is not installed first Upgrade base first. 14. no /dev/sr0 from MAKEDEV New version fixes this. 15. Gimp fails because there is no .gimprc file Create an empty .gimprc 16. Base-files should Provide: base Was: Smartlist and possibly other programs as well, depend on base. Fixed in the next version. 17. Adduser depends on perl-suid, not in base. Install by hand using --force-depends 18. Mc fails to declare it's dependence on libgpm. Should declare dpendence on libgpm. Install the gpm package. See you again. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages not coming from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address some autoresponse messages may return when I'm not at home. --- Potete utilizzare [EMAIL PROTECTED] per messaggi non provenienti da sistemi automatici di qualunque tipo, per esempio mailing list. Da quell'indirizzo potranno venire risposte automatiche quando sono fuori citta`. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 1.2.4 list of known problems
On 16 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote: If I understood right, this is known bug on which order the packages are installed and has being worked. You can solve this by choosing 'install' again in dselect. BTW, put /usr/X11R6/lib in yout /etc/ld.conf and run ldconfig if you have not done it. Thank you very much. I had also another reply via private e-mail, Marco Frattola [EMAIL PROTECTED] kindly sent the following to me (pointing out that it may not be up to date): Subject: List of installation problems for 1.2 The following list was composed from reports of those who have already installed Debian GNU/Linux 1.2. If you are having any trouble with your installation, consult this list for possible solutions. 1. Already reported as a bug: Can't find xlib6 so file. Add /usr/X11R6/lib to ld.so.conf and run ldconfig. 2. Dselect fails to satisfy pre-depends for perl (libdl1) Installing ldso by hand solves the problem. 3. Bug#5659: dpkg-gencontrol fails in chown new files listfile. Possible patch. 4. New sendmail fails to use old .cf file One report indicates re-installation fixes the problem. 5. Cron dies. (actually never starts) Run update-rc.d cron defaults 6. Gcc depends on cpp, but cpp conflicts with gcc. Retag gcc and re-run deselect. 7. Modconf messes up screen display on some lines. Possible dialog problem? 8. /bin/perl disapears and reappears during installation. Replace link by hand: ln -s /usr/bin/perl /bin/perl 9. Bug#5479 dpkg fails to preserve set id bits when copying files. No fix reported (possible patch) 10. gpm preinstall can't remove old gpm Remove by hand using dpkg --purge. 11. xbase can't remove xdm and xfs Remove by hand using dpkg --purge. 12. libg++ and libg++-dev conflict. Re-running the installation fixes it. 13. dependent packages bomb because libc5 is not installed first Upgrade base first. 14. no /dev/sr0 from MAKEDEV New version fixes this. 15. Gimp fails because there is no .gimprc file Create an empty .gimprc 16. Base-files should Provide: base Was: Smartlist and possibly other programs as well, depend on base. Fixed in the next version. 17. Adduser depends on perl-suid, not in base. Install by hand using --force-depends 18. Mc fails to declare it's dependence on libgpm. Should declare dpendence on libgpm. Install the gpm package. See you again. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages not coming from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address some autoresponse messages may return when I'm not at home. --- Potete utilizzare [EMAIL PROTECTED] per messaggi non provenienti da sistemi automatici di qualunque tipo, per esempio mailing list. Da quell'indirizzo potranno venire risposte automatiche quando sono fuori citta`. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X-Windows
On 13 Apr 1997, Rob Browning wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim O'Brien) writes: ... ... Is this at all the kind of info you wanted? Feel free to ask more questions, but we should probably continue in private email. -- Rob Well, I would be glad to hear those info too. So maybe you could continue on the mailing list (or at least send a copy to me, but other guys on the list may be interested). Thank you in advance. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages not coming from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address some autoresponse messages may return when I'm not at home. ---
Re: dselect replacement project (deity)y
I'm new to Debian, so please tell me if newbie opinions are not welcome. I think that after spending possibly half an hour or an hour selecting packages it would be very nice to have the chance to _save_ the desired state (installed/not installed/...?) of each package to a file, which we could put to floppy and _read_ in case later we decide to restart from scratch. There should be put enough info (package name and version and ...?) for the install procedure to be able to warn in case the file is used with a different suite of packages, e.g. a wider suite with new entries for which we didn't make any decision (but what if just packages of NEW version with different dependencies have come? to simplify we could decide this is misuse and link the file to the suite of packages for which it was saved [the Debian release number?]). Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages not coming from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address some autoresponse messages may return when I'm not at home. --- On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Douglas L Stewart wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, P.A.M. van Dam wrote: It would be really nice to have some highlever package order, like some commercial UNIX vendors have. For example one might have the choice to install everything as it suits himself or choose some highlevel packages like a KDE environment using Dutch locales or a OpenLook environent or just good old non-graphic install. It makes it much easier for newbies. We need some hierarchy in the package structures. I very much agree with this. Redhat has something like this. While I don't agree with their package choices for the various setups, the concept is sound. You would think this would be configured as the interface to dselect is redesigned. (which I'm very glad is happening!) -douglas
1.2.4 list of known problems
I'm new to Debian. I've been waiting for one month to receive the 1.2.4 CD from Cheap Bytes (sent March 3rd arrived April 4th) and I'm trying with it these days... I would not start waiting for another month NOW to get a more recent release (and the WEB says they're still selling 1.2.4 CDs). I tried installing anything just already marked at first entry in dselect (just had to de-select perl-base), but I read overriding messages during install and afterwards I had complains about configuration of some packages, which I type here by hand: ./base/libc5_5.4.20-1.deb ./dev/perl_5.003.07-6.deb ./editors/ed_0.2-11.deb ./misc/gpm_1.10-2.deb libc5-dev libdb1-dev libg++2.7-dev libgdbm1-dev texbin latex psnfss I didn't see any message at install-time saying that the release may have such problems, so I was thinking that if anybody had tried it before releasing it I should have anything working clean. - - Please, is there a list of known problems and related behaviours (that is consider it unusable/do this and this to fix/ignore safely this message)? - Thanks in advance. I'll be more concise afterwards when I'll put some more (minor) questions/wishes later, just hope not to get flames for silly questions. I'm learning on some books and I'm reading docs, but it takes time, I haven't arrived at goal yet but still would like to have Debian well setup and running on my system. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages not coming from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address some autoresponse messages may return when I'm not at home. ---
Re: dselect replacement project (deity)y
On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Britton wrote: I used to run slackware... Me too, and also tried RedHat recently, but not for a long time. I think individual package selectin on install is something we should keep, at least as a perfectly accesable option. I would like to see the energy go into that rather than a more general packaging scheme. I think more new users like it than you think. That's why I'm here, quite new to Debian. Ok, there are some problems with dselect (going to be replaced anyway I see), but the chance of knowing about dependencies and not only installing but also removing or upgrading *each* package is of great importance to me. It is just a very good thing which needs a great design effort (and possibly some debugging), as for instance any C++ ambitious class hierarchy. The taste it gives to me is of a great quality Linux distribution. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages not coming from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address some autoresponse messages may return when I'm not at home. ---
Re: ppp redial problem
On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: A weird thing is happening to my pppd. (version 2.2.0f-19) I added the persist option to /etc/ppp/options so that if the connection went down, it would immediately be brought back up again. However what happens is it attempts to dial and then stops short. It does this about three times and then stops. I thought maybe the modem wasn't re-initializing properly (It's a rather old ATT DataExpress 28.8) so I went to my chat script and added ath,atf before the dial string. ath should hang up my modem and atf should reinitialize it. I have checked these commands with the modem manual. This didn't work either. In fact I was unable to use pppd until I rebooted. (yes even stopping it and starting it again didn't work.) The odd thing was I could redial with minicom. So there is something wrong with pppd or my setup of it. The immediate emergency is gone. I have found a small program called pppupd which can watch the connection and bring it back up again if needed. This seems to be able to redial without any problems. Still I'd like to get to the bottom of the ppp problem if anyone has any ideas. -- Jaldhar I noticed something similar with pppd. I'm new to Debian, I'm just trying to install and configure it these days. At the moment I'm writing from and old Slackware, under which (pppd 2.1.2) I left the following lines as a remark in my ppp-connect file: # pppd connect 'chat -v \ #ATZ \ # OK ATFE1V1Q0L0C1D2K3S11=55S38=0S95=2 \ # OK ATL2X3DT220792 CONNECT' # # Without the long second string to the modem, re-connection succeeds, # otherwise pppd fails for any re-connection after the first, waiting for # answer from the modem and then claiming something about SIGHUP, till # reboot. I can't dial and connect but the first time if I also want to send the longer string ATFE1V1Q0L0C1D2K3S11=55S38=0S95=2 as modem initialization beside ATZ. (Here /dev/modem is a symbolic link to /dev/cua1.) Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will return even when I'm not at home. ---
