Re: test for package dependencies without installing
-In response to your message- --received from Jimmy Johnson-- Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if there is a command I can run on a debian package that would test for whether all dependencies of that package are already installed on the system without actually installing the package if so. This mailing list thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/09/msg00292.html is on the exact topic and many suggestions are thrown out but none of which I can prove true. ...snip... Is there a script-friendly way to determine this before attempting to install? dpkg man page suggests that --no-act, --dry-run, --simulate should do this yet $ sudo dpkg -i --no-act texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb (Reading database ... 138033 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace texlive-base 2007.dfsg.1-2 (using texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... $ echo $? 0 tells me nothing about lacking dependencies. The point of this is for the purpose of an install script that includes such a package. If there are dependency issues, I want to point that out right at the beginning of the install. If there are not, I want to proceed but want to perform the package install later in the game. Thanks! Sounds like you may want to use # apt-get -u install, here's an example: # apt-get -u install lilo Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: cron debconf exim libident libopenldap-runtime libopenldap1 libpcre2 logrotate mailx The following packages will be REMOVED: debconf-tiny The following NEW packages will be installed: cron debconf exim libident libopenldap-runtime libopenldap1 libpcre2 logrotate mailx The following packages will be upgraded lilo 1 packages upgraded, 9 newly installed, 1 to remove and 31 not upgraded. Need to get 225kB/1179kB of archives. After unpacking 2659kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Thanks for the suggestion. It's not as script-friendly as I'd like but the real problem is that this is using the package manager. I want to perform the test on an arbitrary debian package file that may or may not be found on the mirrors. Thanks! Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: test for package dependencies without installing
-In response to your message- --received from Chris Burkhardt-- Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if there is a command I can run on a debian package that would test for whether all dependencies of that package are already installed on the system without actually installing the package if so. This mailing list thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/09/msg00292.html is on the exact topic and many suggestions are thrown out but none of which I can prove true. ...snip... Is there a script-friendly way to determine this before attempting to install? dpkg man page suggests that --no-act, --dry-run, --simulate should do this yet $ sudo dpkg -i --no-act texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb (Reading database ... 138033 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace texlive-base 2007.dfsg.1-2 (using texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... $ echo $? 0 tells me nothing about lacking dependencies. There is a note in the man page about putting the --no-act flag before the action: $ sudo dpkg --no-act -i texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb Does that make it behave as expected? I wish but sadly no: $ sudo dpkg --no-act -i texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package texlive-base. (Reading database ... 150341 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking texlive-base (from texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... pyeat...@pyeatman:~$ ...but I didn't catch that so thanks for pointing out! Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: test for package dependencies without installing
-In response to your message- --received from Michael M. Moore-- On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Paul Yeatman pyeat...@ucsd.edu wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if there is a command I can run on a debian package that would test for whether all dependencies of that package are already installed on the system without actually installing the package if so. This mailing list thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/09/msg00292.html is on the exact topic and many suggestions are thrown out but none of which I can prove true. You can simply look at the package detail in aptitude's ncurses interface and see at a glance which dependencies you already have installed (also, which recommends and suggests). Michael M. Thanks for the suggestion. If you are speaking of the interface when aptitude is run with no arguments, it's unfortunately not script-friendly yet the real problem is that this is using the package manager. I want to perform the test on an arbitrary debian package file that may or may not be found on the mirrors. Thanks! Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: test for package dependencies without installing
Paul Yeatman writes: $ sudo dpkg -i --no-act texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb (Reading database ... 138033 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace texlive-base 2007.dfsg.1-2 (using texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... $ echo $? 0 tells me nothing about lacking dependencies. Apparently, this has been observed and noted for a long time (at least since 2002) as these 3 merged bugs show. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=55364 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=134475 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=168499 Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: test for package dependencies without installing
-In response to your message- --received from Chris Burkhardt-- Paul Yeatman wrote: [...] There is a note in the man page about putting the --no-act flag before the action: $ sudo dpkg --no-act -i texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb Does that make it behave as expected? I wish but sadly no: $ sudo dpkg --no-act -i texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package texlive-base. (Reading database ... 150341 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking texlive-base (from texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... pyeat...@pyeatman:~$ ...but I didn't catch that so thanks for pointing out! Hmm. Take a look at this bug (especially message #19): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=128560 I guess a workaround for your script is to parse the 'Depends:' line from dpkg -I and test if each of those packages are installed. - Chris B Yes, I had considered this idea myself but, given that apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, etc. already perform this action, I wanted to tap into this and not reinvent the wheel. This doesn't seem possible at the time, however. Thanks again for the feedback and for pointing out the bug! Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: test for package dependencies without installing
-In response to your message-
--received from Ink Bottle--
I've found this little script around something
I've heared about recently; it's a command dedicated
to check dependencies.
I don't know it it can be of some use.
It's been hard to make it work (that's the bad part :) ).
$ export LANG=C; 2/dev/null apt-cache show $(dpkg-query -l *|grep ii|cut
-d' ' -f3) $(dpkg-query -l tetex-bin|cut -d' ' -f3)|2/dev/null
edos-debcheck -failures tetex-bin; 2/dev/null apt-cache show $(dpkg-query -l
*|grep ii|cut -d' ' -f3) $(dpkg-query -l tetex-bin|cut -d' '
-f3)|2/dev/null edos-debcheck -explain tetex-bin
tetex-bin (= 2007.dfsg.1-5): FAILED
tetex-bin (= 2007.dfsg.1-5): FAILED
The following constraints cannot be satisfied:
tetex-bin (= 2007.dfsg.1-5) depends on texlive (= 2007-11) {NOT AVAILABLE}
It is supposed to be fast at it (and probably other good properties).
$ apt-cache show $(dpkg-query -l *|grep ii|cut -d' ' -f3) $(dpkg-query -l
tetex-bin|cut -d' ' -f3)
The already installed packages, plus, the packages I want to install.
If ever could be of some use.
(man edos-debcheck)
Ink Bottle
Thanks Ink Bottle.
Very interesting. Never knew about edos-debcheck.
I see what you mean. It is an unusual command and thus a bit of
challenge for me to understand and use. Also, I'm not convinced that I
can run this on a debian package file, such as a debian package I
create and is not known by the package manager.
I think Chris' suggestion of dpkg -I is still my best option but I
appreciate all the ideas and will continue to look into them.
Thanks for the idea!
Paul
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test for package dependencies without installing
Hi, I'm wondering if there is a command I can run on a debian package that would test for whether all dependencies of that package are already installed on the system without actually installing the package if so. This mailing list thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/09/msg00292.html is on the exact topic and many suggestions are thrown out but none of which I can prove true. So, let's say I want to install texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb. $ dpkg -I texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb | grep Depend Depends: texlive-doc-base (= 2007), texlive-base-bin (= 2007-13), texlive-common (= 2007) I don't have any of these dependency packages installed $ sudo dpkg -i texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb (Reading database ... 138033 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace texlive-base 2007.dfsg.1-2 (using texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement texlive-base ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of texlive-base: texlive-base depends on texlive-doc-base (= 2007); however: Package texlive-doc-base is not installed. texlive-base depends on texlive-base-bin (= 2007-13); however: Package texlive-base-bin is not installed. texlive-base depends on texlive-common (= 2007); however: Package texlive-common is not installed. dpkg: error processing texlive-base (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: texlive-base Is there a script-friendly way to determine this before attempting to install? dpkg man page suggests that --no-act, --dry-run, --simulate should do this yet $ sudo dpkg -i --no-act texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb (Reading database ... 138033 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace texlive-base 2007.dfsg.1-2 (using texlive-base_2007.dfsg.1-2_all.deb) ... $ echo $? 0 tells me nothing about lacking dependencies. The point of this is for the purpose of an install script that includes such a package. If there are dependency issues, I want to point that out right at the beginning of the install. If there are not, I want to proceed but want to perform the package install later in the game. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
dist-upgrade removing current kernel
Hi, I did some searching on this in the archive and found some stuff but nothing that fully satisfies me. When a new minor 2.6 kernel revision, 2.6.17, was available for Etch, an aptitude dist-upgrade wanted to install this new kernel AND remove my 2.6.16 kernel revision (which understandably was my most recent kernel version and the one I was currently booted to). I tried a few things to get aptitude to just leave my 2.6.16 kernel alone such as aptitude hold linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 but a dist-upgrade seemed to ignore/override this. When I couldn't come up with a quick way to have it leave my 2.6.16 kernel alone, I eventually booted to a different kernel revision and let 'aptitude dist-upgrade' do as it wanted, ie. uninstall my 2.6.16 kernel revision. Now, I'm experiencing the identical situation with the recently released 2.6.18 kernel revision for Etch. I'm perfectly happy with the package manager leaving my currently installed kernels alone while simultaneously adding newer kernel versions and releases. If I want to remove old kernels at some point, I'll do so explicitely. Anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade removing current kernel
-In response to your message- --received from Andrew Sackville-West-- On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:24:44AM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote: I'm perfectly happy with the package manager leaving my currently installed kernels alone while simultaneously adding newer kernel versions and releases. If I want to remove old kernels at some point, I'll do so explicitely. Anyone have any ideas for me? there are many ways to do this, but the most intuitive to me is to use aptitude in the interactive mode and go to each of the currently installed kernels. you will see them tagged with an 'A' indicating that is was automatically installed to satisfy some dependency (in the case of kernels, you have probably installed a kernel meta-package which depends on the latest kernel image. as a new kernel image is released, of course, that dependency shifts to the new image and the 'A' kernels are marked for deletion.) So us 'm' to mark them as manually installed instead of automatically installed. Aptitude will then keep the package for you. this will come up with each new kernel image. Others will likely show you some slick, automatic way to do this, but that's how I do it. Yes, that is perfect and makes total sense. Thanks! I knew this shouldn't be hard but just couldn't come up with a solution. I was also trying to figure out why it was removing the latest kernel but leaving ones I had previously installed (manually) alone. I understand now. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 memory footprint
-In response to your message- --received from Roberto C. Sanchez-- On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 10:42:35AM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, I've recently noticed that two of the four apache2 processes I have running are consuming about 240Mb of memory each. I'm not doing anything fancy. A very basic, default web server. I'm running Etch which is using apache 2.2.3-3.1. I remember that new apache2 packages were recently released and I don't remember apache2 using this much memory previously. I tried stopping the apache service and restarting it should something have been awry. I am seeing tthe same memory usage, however, since restarting. Is anyone else getting this? What modules are loaded? Are you using mod_rewrite? If so, are your rules correct? It is very easy to get mod_rewrite rules mixed up to the point of having the server process chew up lots of memory. Thanks Robert! I've virtually performed no customizations other than commenting out RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default. It says that it still [has] / go to the right place but this doesn't always seem to be the case for me. Other than that, it is pretty much right out of the box. I assume the modules loaded are the ones in # ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ alias.loadauthz_user.load mime.load status.load auth_basic.load autoindex.load mod_python.load userdir.conf authn_file.load cgid.confnegotiation.load userdir.load authz_default.loadcgid.loadperl.conf authz_groupfile.load dir.load perl.load authz_host.load env.load setenvif.load Thanks again, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache2 memory footprint
Hi, I've recently noticed that two of the four apache2 processes I have running are consuming about 240Mb of memory each. I'm not doing anything fancy. A very basic, default web server. I'm running Etch which is using apache 2.2.3-3.1. I remember that new apache2 packages were recently released and I don't remember apache2 using this much memory previously. I tried stopping the apache service and restarting it should something have been awry. I am seeing tthe same memory usage, however, since restarting. Is anyone else getting this? Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get vs. dselect
Hi all. I should maybe spend more time in the archives but just looking for quick responses. I assume others running Etch noticed the large amount of updates today. When I run apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade I get a similar but different set of changes than if I use 'dselect'. Just curious about this. For instance, apt-get shows me 245 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 36 to remove and 1 not upgraded. whereas dselect yields 231 upgraded, 26 newly installed, 49 to remove and 3 not upgraded. I'm sure there may be as many opinions as colors in the rainbow but can't help to wonder which is better. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get vs. dselect
Hi and thanks for everyone's feedback and the suggestions/encouragement to use aptitude. I first learned dselect when starting with Debian several years ago. Due to discussions like this, people tipped me off to apt-get and I started making good use of that over the past couple years. I've been aware of aptitude for awhile and tried opening it a few times to see what it is about but was never grabbed by it. Due to this discussion and Fred's link below, I went ahead and gave it a try (the commandline version) to manage this large update. The link clearly points out advantages to aptitude so I'll have to give it more consideration. Thanks everyone! Paul -In response to your message- --received from Fred-- On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 11:44 -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi all. I should maybe spend more time in the archives but just looking for quick responses. I assume others running Etch noticed the large amount of updates today. When I run apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade I get a similar but different set of changes than if I use 'dselect'. Just curious about this. For instance, apt-get shows me 245 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 36 to remove and 1 not upgraded. whereas dselect yields 231 upgraded, 26 newly installed, 49 to remove and 3 not upgraded. I'm sure there may be as many opinions as colors in the rainbow but can't help to wonder which is better. You can start making your own opinion by reading this message: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg02135.html Fred. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SOLVED] hplip and its toolbox
Ahhh! I feel certain I had done this before (deleted the printer and re-added it with CUPS after installing hplip) but I now believe I was locked in to the old mind frame of knowing the printer is usb and always choosing the first usb printer--USB Printer #1--never looking up further in the list to notice the hp:/usb/Deskjet_3840?... entry. Thanks for giving me the encouragement to run through that one more time and for pointing out where to focus my attention. I had completely missed the hp:/usb/Deskjet_3840?... entry before and now see what the README means by the CUPS backend installed by hplip. This was not making any sense previously. 'toolbox' finds my printer now and I may have a much better idea of what is wrong with it when it is blinking and clearly unhappy with something. I can monitor ink levels and run maintenance operations on it to boot! Thanks!!! Paul -In response to your message- --received from Maurits van Rees-- On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:32:46PM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: Although I've already configured the printer with CUPS and the printer works fine, I'm not sure what ...and the hp: CUPS backend (installed by hplip) means. I would guess that when I pick the correct model of HP from the list within the CUPS web installation that the proper PPD will be used. Not sure about how to make sure the hp: CUPS backend [is] installed by hplip. Just last week I installed an new HP printer with hplip. In CUPS go to Printers. Then add a printer. Enter a name. You should now see a small list of possible devices, like parallel port. In my case at least: if my printer is off I see a device hp no_device_found. When my printer is on and I try this again... O dear, I see exactly the same. :( Well, that might be because the real device is already occupied by my printer so CUPS doesn't show it as available. On the Printers page I see hp:/usb/psc_1310_series... as the device URI. If you take the same route I guess you will see something similar. HTH, -- Maurits van Rees | http://maurits.vanrees.org/ [Dutch/Nederlands] Public GnuPG key: keyserver.net ID 0x1735C5C2 Let your advance worrying become advance thinking and planning. - Winston Churchill -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hplip and its toolbox
-In response to your message- --received from Henrique de Moraes Holschuh-- On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, anyone have much HPLIP experience? I do. Hi. Wow, I got the dude, didn't I!? Thanks! 3845 printer I have attached to the system via USB. I'm running Sarge by the way. Get the packages in unstable. The stuff in sarge is old, buggy, and my personal grievance with the arm buildd brokenness. I am using CUPS and have hpijs, hplip, foomatic, etc., etc. all that stuff. The printer is currently configured and working with cups. I restart CUPS. But I run /usr/lib/hplip/toolbox and the software starts with a pop-up box complaining that no HP printers are found. Really weird. Please test with the unstable packages, and file a bug if you still have issues with them. I tried installing the then unstable version of hplip (the now testing version). Still no go so may have to just file a bug report as suggested. Maybe you meant installing the unstable versions of other related packages such as hpijs, foomatic, etc, which I haven't done. This is what shows up in the log when I unsuccessfully probe (hp-probe) for the printer Jun 16 14:51:39 localhost python: hpssd [WARN] Inrecognized URI: ipp://cass159 Jun 16 14:51:39 localhost python: hpssd [WARN] Inrecognized URI: socket://cass35 Jun 16 14:51:39 localhost python: hpssd [WARN] Inrecognized URI: ipp://cass36 Jun 16 14:51:39 localhost python: hpssd [WARN] Inrecognized URI: usb://3845?serial=TH46T120QG040R Jun 16 14:51:39 localhost python: [WARN] No devices found. If this isn't the result you are expecting, Jun 16 14:51:39 localhost python: [WARN] check to make sure your devices are properly connected. I don't care about the remote printers (socket:,ipp:) but I don't see why it can't find the locally attached usb printer, usb://3845?serial=TH46T120QG040R. Here it is as clearly recognized in /proc/bus/usb/devices T: Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 3 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=03f0 ProdID=7504 Rev= 1.00 S: Manufacturer=HP S: Product=Deskjet 3840 S: SerialNumber=TH46T120QG040R C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 2mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usblp E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms In /usr/share/doc/hplip/README.Debian, it says for step three of the Quick Install 3. Setup your printer through CUPS, using the proper PPD (installed by foomatic-filters-ppds), and the hp: CUPS backend (installed by hplip). Although I've already configured the printer with CUPS and the printer works fine, I'm not sure what ...and the hp: CUPS backend (installed by hplip) means. I would guess that when I pick the correct model of HP from the list within the CUPS web installation that the proper PPD will be used. Not sure about how to make sure the hp: CUPS backend [is] installed by hplip. Thanks! Paul -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
esdsink
Hi, I'm running GNOME with Sarge. It seems GNOME is configured to use the esd sound driver by default yet some (GNOME?) sound applications--Music Player (a.k.a rhythmbox), Sound Recorder (a.k.a gnome-sound-recorder)--seem to be configured to use OSS (with no preference option to change it to esd). When trying to run some of these apps, I get a message complaining that the OSS device, /dev/dsp, is already in use by another program. Esd, for instance!? I've tried going to Desktop Preferences--Advanced--Multimedia Systems Selector to change the default audio output pipeline from osssink (for which the test fails) to esdsink (for which the test fails). This doesn't seem to work much less resolve the problem. As I'm just using default stuff, seems this would be a common problem unless others don't try making use of such audio apps. Not a big deal. Just curious what others may know/have to say concerning this. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MultiMedia keyboards and SID
Well, I'm running Sarge (gnome 2.6) but if I go to Applications--Desktop Preferences--Keyboard Shortcuts alot of this can be set up. Simply select the function you want, hit the key want to perform that function and whala! paul -In response to your message- --received from Chad Davis-- Greetings, I recently have started using a multimedia HP KB-0228 keyboard. It has the moon, camera, music note, etc keys on top. What is the best way to map these keys to programs or tasks such as closing apps, or window shading, etc. I am currently running Gnome 2.8 on Sid. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software RAID 0 and linux 2.6.8.1
Well, definitely sounds like you know what you want :) Seems like my confusion between you saying software and hardware controller is, as Paolo was saying, the Promise FastTrak isn't a true hardware controller apparently. It still requires some software, ie. kernel module, on the software side to operate. This is, however, coNSIDerably faster than using strictly software RAID where no card is needed at all. From the description of your system, however, this wouldn't appear to be a problem. I'll opt out of the conversation at this point because your proposed setup is different enough from mine that I can't really helpfully comment on it. As I mentioned (and I believe even tried), the partial source code from Promise for the FastTrak doesn't compile (or at least isn't written to compile) for the 2.6 kernel. If the drivers you know of are slow, maybe Paolo is right and you should go with either strictly a hardware RAID controller or strictly software RAID given that you have a slick system. As for the boot loader issue, I'm not sure how a large BIOS is a solution unless you can get your boot loader to use your BIOS which I've never heard of. Unless you are using a true hardware controller, I'm not sure where/how your boot loader will be read with no other disks other than the RAID 0'ed disks. Best wishes, Paul -In response to your message- --received from Niels-- I shall explain my choises. I really want to buy a RAID 0 (striping) controller, because my current harddisk is the bottleneck in my current system. I have a dual XP-M 2800+ with 1Gbit NIC and 1GB memory. I have read enough about RAID 0. I really want it! I know that it is not safe, but I can backup my data. I choose for a software RAID controller because it is cheap. An hardware controller would cost me six times more, but would be at most 10% faster. That's not worth it. Installing this RAID card is easy under Win XP, because I can just put a disk in my pc with the drivers at setup time and it will work. I know this will be another story for debian. I've read stories of people who got the Promise drivers working under 2.6.8, but those drivers are not fast. I use 2.6.8 because I have a SMP setup. I want no other drives than the two of my RAID setup in my pc because I hate noise. I buy a software RAID controller because the price difference between a software RAID SATA controller and a SATA controller is 10,- What are the troubles I will run into? I can load things in my BIOS, because I have 2MB BIOS memory (MPX2). The adress you gave me was wrong, http://www.1U-Raid5.net/HowTO/SW-Raid-HOWTO.txt this one is correct. Alvin Oga wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Niels wrote: I want to buy a Promise Fasttrack TX2 plus RAID 0 controller with two SATA hard disks. The controller is a software controller. I want no other hard disks than these two in my PC. Can I boot of this setup with the 2.6 kernel? yes... Is it possible to put Windows XP and Debian Linux on the same RAID 0 array? yes Is it difficult to install? no -- trick is to install windoze on the 1st partition so it thinks its C: --- bigger problem ... - why use 2 disks in raid0 ( aks stripping ) which might allow you to read faster but also makes 2 disks look like 1 bigger disk - if one disk dies... both disk are useless - i think you want to use (sw or hw ) raid1 ( mirror ) - if one disk dies ... all your data is still intact on the other disk - gazillion raid howtos urls http://1u_raid5.net/HowTo/SW-Raid-HOWTO.txt c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: raid barfs at startup with 2.6 kernel
-In response to your message- --received from Justin Guerin-- On Tuesday 14 September 2004 07:21, Blake Swadling wrote: OK, firstly i will say i know bugger all about the way raid works. however i have managed to set up, both running software raid (raid0). one uses 2 SATA drives and the other has 2 ATA drives When I upgrade to kernel 2.6.* the raid barfs on both machines with the following errors [snip error messages] If i manually start run mdadm and raid2 and then do mount -a on both machines the scripts after logging in then all is fine. mdadm-raid always fails hence the use of raidtools. All packages are up to date. It appears to me that the raid as trying to start before the modules are present. Has anyone seen this? how do i get it to load correctly now. Cheers Blake You don't indicate how you are upgrading the kernel, but if you're using the precompiled Debian kernels, you will need to make sure the raid drivers are included in the initial ram disk. man mkinitrd will help you here. I agree. Chances are you are using the Debian kernel-image packages. A simple mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-kernel_version with telling your boot loader to use this init image during boot should get you back up and running if indeed it is a problem with modules not getting loaded soon enough. If you have compiled your kernel yourself, did you either A) compile in all raid / filesystem support you need or B) add the modules you need to the initial ram disk? If you've done the above and are still seeing problems, check out the list archives for threads on moving the raid start back in the boot sequence. I'm sorry I don't have the link available. If none of this helps, please be more specific with your configuration, differences between what works and what doesn't, and what you've tried so far. Justin Guerin Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FAM causing device or resource busy errors when trying to smbumount
Hi, I've been having the same problem in Sarge. In my case it doesn't involve Samba but when a CD or even floppy is mounted by nautilus/fam (or whatever is going on when you click a CD device from the Computer icon), occasionally it will not unmount the filesystem on the device with an error that the device is busy. Once I've convinced myself there are no processes running involving the device and I'm not in any of its mounted directories, I'll try an 'lsof /dev/cdrom' and will get something like COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME famd 1135me 26r DIR 2,07168 1/media/cdrom As Rich said, until I kill famd, I am unable to umount the FS on the device. I wasn't aware I could stop and restart fam with a supplied init script as Rich mentioned although last time the problem occurred I tried stopping and restarting famd this way but things still were somewhat screwed up until I completely logged out or rebooted. Anyone know what it going on with this. Just a bug? Paul rich wrote on 28 Jul 2004: when I have an smb share mounted on a directory in my home directory, it refuses to unmount. This is new, it used to work without a problem. Perhaps something changed in the later releases of Sarge? (I apt-get dist-upgrade all the time) I used lsof and found the process that was holding the mount-point directory up, which was /usr/sbin/famd -T 0 I shut down fam with #/etc/init.d/fam stop and I could then umount the share cleanly. Can anyone shed any light on this? thanks, rich -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Software RAID 0 and linux 2.6.8.1
software controller: isn't the point of having a RAID card to use hardware RAID? I am doing virtually what you are asking about. I have a FastTrak TX2 card and am mirror two disks on which I have my Debian build. The biggest part I would question of your proposal is that it--hardware RAID'ing using Promise FastTrak--can be done on kernel 2.6 (I refer to this later). Alvin who also responded to this thread questioned your use/definition of RAID 0 but I am fairly certain this is good ol' fashion mirroring as it appears you are thinking of it as and as I know I am using. The differences between my setup and what you are asking is I don't have dual boot, I'm positively using hardware not software RAID and I have a small, non-raided drive (hda1) that is my boot disk, ie. what holds my boot loader and /boot partition. Although there is good possibility this small, unraided disk is not necessary, it does make things ALOT easier and safer. It has saved me a bunch. When a reboot fails because of a kernel change or whatever, I can always fall back to the IDE, unraided disk which has the same build of Debian (a minimal build of the same Debian version). I can always count on this to boot and from this, I can mount the other disks until I can correct the problem with the RAIDed build. Also, as your BIOS likely doesn't recognize the RAIDed drives, you need something your BIOS can read to hold your boot loader. As I said, this could likely be avoided but I personally don't know how. One more comment, the kernel module I compile for the FastTrak card is at http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productId=88category=Allos=100 Look for Partial Linux Source Code. The latest version I have found there is 1.03.0.2 which as I understand only supports kernel 2.4. For this reason, I am not using kernel 2.6 which is another difference I didn't mention earlier. Hope this helps, Paul -In response to your message- --received from Niels-- Hi, I want to buy a Promise Fasttrack TX2 plus RAID 0 controller with two SATA hard disks. The controller is a software controller. I want no other hard disks than these two in my PC. Can I boot of this setup with the 2.6 kernel? Is it possible to put Windows XP and Debian Linux on the same RAID 0 array? Is it difficult to install? Greets, Niels -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany) (SOLVED!)
SOLUTION: On my system to get Flash to play, the esd process needs to be running with the -as argument (set to 5 in my case) and the dsp wrapper value for Mozilla (or Firefox) needs to be none (as can be set by 'dpkg-reconfigure mozilla'). EMBELLISHMENT: I finally found a config that I'm really happy with and want to share it should it help anyone else. Thanks for everyone's replies and help in this thread. The first problem was that Flash would not play and would even crash my browser. I eventually found out that killing any esd processes would allow Flash to play. Cool! I was fairly happy with this solution being only disappointed in that, when killing the esd process(es), I would no long get any Gnome/system event sounds. The solution I'm currently using gives me it all, baby! :) Again, I'm running Sarge and using Gnome with esd for sound. So here's the deal. Before I login with gdm, I have to start esd myself with the -as argument (with a value of 5 in my case) and with no -terminate argument (thanks Carl!). If I let Gnome start esd for me upon login, it won't use the -as argument (anyone know how to change this?). Now I can log in to Gnome with gdm. The Gnome sound server will use the existing esd process so I get event sounds (and with no esd -terminate argument nor needing to kill esd to play Flash, I continue to get them). Audio apps work as expected and as long as I have the dsp wrapper value for Mozilla and Firefox set to none (instead of auto or esddsp), Flash works! This seems to be how it should have been all along. I think the real problem is that the whole dsp wrapper thing (asked by debconf with Mozilla or Firefox installation) doesn't work. If this worked as I believe it is supposed to, I don't think this ever would have been an issue. As I believe it doesn't work, I have to use -as with esd and no dsp wrapper with Mozilla as a work around. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Paul Yeatman-- Hi, so it appears that I cannot successfully play flash with my web browser anymore. This has begun since I upgraded to sarge. Mozilla (and firefox) using flashplugin-nonfree freezes when I go to common flash sites. The entire browser is then hosed until the processes are killed from another window. I bet I'm explaining something all too familiar for some (many?) of you, I'm guessing. Used to work fine with Mozilla before upgrading. I've experienced the same thing on a completely different computer running Red Hat 8. I'm not seeing much discussion about it, however. So, maybe I'm either wrong, need to accept it just doesn't work or am really behind in the discussion/solution :) Epiphany plays flash just fine. But just doesn't play the soundtrack. My flash life is really in the junk yard right now. Please save me from jumping to Windows just to see homestarrunner.com. Any help? Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Karl E. Jorgensen-- On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 02:49:24PM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, I tried taking -terminate out of my esd.conf. I logged out and back in. Indeed esd was started by Gnome (as I have sound for Gnome enabled) and without the -terminate argument but Flash would not play correctly in a browser until I killed the esd process. Have you tried $ esdctl off ? That should have the effect of making esd shut up, and free up /dev/dsp (might still need -as on esdctl though $ esdctl on should unmute esd again... Once I killed the process, I could play Flash and applications like xmms would start their own esd process for sound but system/event sounds (from Gnome and such) could no longer be heard. Because you killed the original esd, which the gnome panel (and others) were connected to... You are completely right. The real point I meant to make, rather, is that running esd without the -terminate commandline option did not allow non-esd applications to access /dev/dsp while esd was running and when esd apps where not being run (at least not in my case which admittedly seems to be a bit odd compared to others). My message was a response to Carl Johnson's message in this thread on July 23rd. If I understood him correctly, he was suggesting that removing the -terminate commandline option for esd would allow esd to continue running while unlocking the /dev/dsp when not being directly used by esd (by an esd app, I suppose). Yet, I didn't find this to be true in my case. Even when I removed the -terminate option when running esd (thus esd continued to run) I could not use a non-esd audio application, such as Flash appears to be. Apparently, such non-esd apps were still not allowed to access /dev/dsp while an esd process (without the -terminate commandline option) was running. The hope was that the esd process started by Gnome (without the -terminate option) would continue running (play event sounds) while releasing /dev/dsp when not being directly used by an esd app so that non-esd apps (like Flash) could also access /dev/dsp. Yet in my case, I couldn't successfully play Flash from a web browser until the esd process was entirely killed (and, thus, no more event sounds). Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Carl Johnson-- Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you tried the '-as' option of esd? I use 'esd -as 2' to require esd to release /dev/dsp 2 seconds after it finishes, so other devices can use it. That allows me to use programs with both esd and /dev/dsp output, but not at the same time. Yes, this is what makes things work for me now and is essentially how I'm running things although I'm currently using the default of 5 seconds (if I have any problem with this, I might try a shorter time as you are using). Thanks for offering the suggestion. The only bummer with this setup is that not all audio calls (that don't use /dev/dsp directly) starts the esd process automatically. I don't hear the general Gnome event sounds anymore, for instance, and I'm assuming that this is because esd is no longer running in the background and, apparently, they don't start the esd process on their own. Some people would likely say good to this. I kinda miss 'em. A very minor complaint. I'm happier to have Flash working :) Something seems to be different about your system, since my esd process doesn't exit, but simply closes its connection to /dev/dsp. It sounds like you might be using the '-terminate' option. If you are, try it without it, but still with the '-as' option. Of course, just because it satisfies my needs doesn't mean that it will satify yours. -- Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I tried taking -terminate out of my esd.conf. I logged out and back in. Indeed esd was started by Gnome (as I have sound for Gnome enabled) and without the -terminate argument but Flash would not play correctly in a browser until I killed the esd process. Once I killed the process, I could play Flash and applications like xmms would start their own esd process for sound but system/event sounds (from Gnome and such) could no longer be heard. Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox and Flash issues?
Does it end up freezing up your browser? paul -In response to your message- --received from Chad Davis-- I am having an issue with firefox and flash player. When I go to sites with flash the spot where the flash movie is is grey and it does not appear. I can right click on it to get the flash menu and it says play,etc. I can not confirm if sound does not work either as I have no sound card on this machine. Anyone experienced this? -- cd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Asking more about RSH on Linux
forgive me for asking but you do have an rsh server package installed? Paul -In response to your message- --received from Hai Nguyen-- Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED] I asked about RSH on Linux but it still has not OK yet. Some messages occur when I type as following: #ps -ax| grep portmap 355 ? S 0:00 portmap 766 tty1 S 0:00 grep portmap I have inserted 2 lines into /etc/hosts.allow file: portmap : 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 : allow portmap : ALL : deny But rsh still doesn't run ok: #rsh node5 node5: conection refused Trying krb4 rlogin... node5: conection refused trying normal rlogin (/usr/bin/rlogin)You noted me that: are you sure rsh is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf?I am very sorry, but I don't known how to make rsh is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf? What must I do to make rsh is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf? In /etc/inetd.conf file, I see 2 lines below: ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.ftpd -l -a telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnet I added a line as follows: rsh stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.rshd But RSH is not run OK. I hope you help me once again. Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing your answers.Nguyen Thanh HaiLe Qui Don University, Hanoi, Vietnam - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I now am convinced that the problem resides with the appearance that Flash accesses /dev/dsp directly creating a conflict anytime another application has already locked the dsp device first, such as esd. The Mozilla wrapper that seems to offer a way around this doesn't appear to work for me. My current solution is to change the default behavior of esd from auto_spawn being set to off to being on and, as I'm using gnome, either disabling sound in gnome altogether or killing the esd process that is started once I log in. This solution is satisfactory for the moment but took quite awhile to figure out. Have you tried the '-as' option of esd? I use 'esd -as 2' to require esd to release /dev/dsp 2 seconds after it finishes, so other devices can use it. That allows me to use programs with both esd and /dev/dsp output, but not at the same time. Yes, this is what makes things work for me now and is essentially how I'm running things although I'm currently using the default of 5 seconds (if I have any problem with this, I might try a shorter time as you are using). Thanks for offering the suggestion. The only bummer with this setup is that not all audio calls (that don't use /dev/dsp directly) starts the esd process automatically. I don't hear the general Gnome event sounds anymore, for instance, and I'm assuming that this is because esd is no longer running in the background and, apparently, they don't start the esd process on their own. Some people would likely say good to this. I kinda miss 'em. A very minor complaint. I'm happier to have Flash working :) -- Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Carl Johnson-- Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you tried the '-as' option of esd? I use 'esd -as 2' to require esd to release /dev/dsp 2 seconds after it finishes, so other devices can use it. That allows me to use programs with both esd and /dev/dsp output, but not at the same time. Yes, this is what makes things work for me now and is essentially how I'm running things although I'm currently using the default of 5 seconds (if I have any problem with this, I might try a shorter time as you are using). Thanks for offering the suggestion. The only bummer with this setup is that not all audio calls (that don't use /dev/dsp directly) starts the esd process automatically. I don't hear the general Gnome event sounds anymore, for instance, and I'm assuming that this is because esd is no longer running in the background and, apparently, they don't start the esd process on their own. Some people would likely say good to this. I kinda miss 'em. A very minor complaint. I'm happier to have Flash working :) Something seems to be different about your system, since my esd process doesn't exit, but simply closes its connection to /dev/dsp. It sounds like you might be using the '-terminate' option. If you are, try it without it, but still with the '-as' option. Of course, just because it satisfies my needs doesn't mean that it will satify yours. -- Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, yes I am. Here's what a ps gives /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 5 -spawnfd 40 Great, I'll take '-terminate' out, give that a try and see if that makes any difference. Thanks for the suggestion! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Wim De Smet-- On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:14:03 -0700, Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed something I didn't notice before. Since I have learned I need to kill esd before going to a flash-enabled web site to see the flash correctly (and not have my browser die), I assumed the flash was spawning its own esd process. Actually, I just noticed that, while flash is playing correctly--without freezing and with sound--no esd process is running. So flash must be accessing /dev/dsp directly which thus must be the problem when an esd process is already running. Sounds logical. Thus, the solution would seem to be (as Wim pointed out) the sound driver wrapper used by Mozilla. Unless I'm using it wrongly (again, I'm using Sarge), it doesn't appear to solve the problem. I'm assuming if I'm using esd that I want the value of esddsp for MOZILLA_DSP. Yet neither this nor the value auto seems to allow flash to play from a web browser while esd is running. In both cases, the flash animation and the browser itself hangs. Part of the strangeness is that this wasn't a problem in Woody. This has only been the case since I've upgraded to Sarge (which possibly is due to a later version of Mozilla?). It seems strange that it doesn't just work out of the box. Are you using the latest version of the flashplugin btw (installed with the deb package I presume?). You may want to file a bug report on this. I think it should just work... At the moment, I have Flash installed from a download from Macromedia itself. This is only because I could never get things to work with the Debian flashplugin-nonfree package nor a flash plugin package provided from another apt source site (both using version 7, I'm fairly confident). Now the value I was using for MOZILLA_DSP was espdsp the whole time (I never thought to try different values for this back then). I don't know if that has anything to do with why things were not working but seems to me to be the best setting given that I'm using esd. Due to the overall problem, I spent some time in the Macromedia Flash mailing list where I read someone commenting about how many problems would be avoided if people only read the instructions and followed advice/instructions given via the mailing list. This is when I downloaded the plugin, version 7.0 r25, directly from Macromedia and followed the instructions to the t (which, interestingly enough, places one of the two files in a different location). I hoped this may solve things but no dice. This is what I still have installed at the moment. I now am convinced that the problem resides with the appearance that Flash accesses /dev/dsp directly creating a conflict anytime another application has already locked the dsp device first, such as esd. The Mozilla wrapper that seems to offer a way around this doesn't appear to work for me. My current solution is to change the default behavior of esd from auto_spawn being set to off to being on and, as I'm using gnome, either disabling sound in gnome altogether or killing the esd process that is started once I log in. This solution is satisfactory for the moment but took quite awhile to figure out. Likewise, I find it strange that things didn't work right out of the box (and if I've had such a problem with it, why not many others?). Where do you suggest filing a bug report: with Debian, Mozilla, Macromedia, . . . ? Thanks to you and everyone else for the replies with insights and feedback. Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Ralph Katz-- I'm fairly sure the system is using esd with OSS drivers so this could be the difference. Well, actually, how do I confirm OSS drivers? While I'm no expert, I can see mine here on this stock kernel: ~$ grep -i oss /boot/config-2.4.25-1-686 CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m Ah, ok, and these are also marked as modules in my kernel and with some quick research the OSS module is sound.o. But sound is not a module currently loaded by my system which means I must not be using an OSS driver for my card. The modules I have loaded and which are related to sound are soundcore and cmpci. Just substitute your kernel image config filename. I have no idea what 'esdctl unlock' does but I did as you said (got a series of increasing pitch tones when I ran 'esd ') but got the same result: xmms et al. work fine, while the browser, trying to employ the flash plugin, incurably freezes. My flashplayer finally works w/ sound if I killall esd before visiting a flash-animated web page. The freezes are more rare. But I do not hear any sounds from other sources (gaim, for ex.) while the flash animation is playing, even with 'esdctl unlock'. Ah, this is exactly what I've discovered only recently! I'm sorry to know about the problem but its nice to finally hear someone else acknowledge the situation. I was using debian package mozilla/firefox with debian package flashplugin-nonfree and things didn't work. During a few days of off and on research, it didn't seem like anyone else was having the same problem which was really perplexing me. See the thread and my post of July 13 Subject: Re: Still no sound in Flash for more info. I did a fair amount of googling myself and searching/joining mail lists on macromedia, mozilla, and of course here. I never found the bugs as you did on bugzilla. This would have helped. As I said, from all my searching, it wasn't clear that this was a common problem. I obviously don't have a good technique for searching out known bugs yet. Bottom line, it doesn't look like an issue of oss vs. alsa. Than, what is the issue (I guess I need to go read the bug reports more carefully)? From the short summary, the one bug mentions that it is hard-to-fix code in Mozilla. It's strange that the problem seems to be with esd (when an esd process(es) is already running). I still can't help but wonder if some other sound setup would resolve the problem although I have no idea even what that could be :) Oh, esd -nobeeps will be easier on your ears! Ah, so that's what the -nobeeps is about :) Here's my config file if it's any help: $ cat /etc/esound/esd.conf [esd] auto_spawn=1 spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5 spawn_wait_ms=100 Regards, Ralph Thanks, alot. I really appreciate the feedback and input. Having an understanding of the problem is already much better. I can play my favorite flash sites once again. I suppose if anyone comes up with a more slick solution, it will be shared with all those having trouble getting to their favorite flash sites. Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Jacob S.-- On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:20:20 -0400 Ralph Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/20/04 18:40, Paul Yeatman wrote: I'm fairly sure the system is using esd with OSS drivers so this could be the difference. Well, actually, how do I confirm OSS drivers? While I'm no expert, I can see mine here on this stock kernel: ~$ grep -i oss /boot/config-2.4.25-1-686 CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m Just substitute your kernel image config filename. If you didn't install/compile alsa, and you're not using a 2.6 kernel, you can pretty much guarantee you're using OSS drivers. I have no idea what 'esdctl unlock' does but I did as you said (got a series of increasing pitch tones when I ran 'esd ') but got the same result: xmms et al. work fine, while the browser, trying to employ the flash plugin, incurably freezes. esdctl unlock allows foreign clients to use esd, according to /usr/share/doc/esound/html/x119.html. My flashplayer finally works w/ sound if I killall esd before visiting a flash-animated web page. The freezes are more rare. But I do not hear any sounds from other sources (gaim, for ex.) while the flash animation is playing, even with 'esdctl unlock'. These symptoms are why I thought esdctl unlock might help. Evideintly I was wrong though. See the thread and my post of July 13 Subject: Re: Still no sound in Flash for more info. Bottom line, it doesn't look like an issue of oss vs. alsa. Right. I tried to avoid saying it was an issue of the drivers, but must not have done a good enough job. I was running Woody with OSS drivers, then upgraded to Sarge with OSS drivers and am now using Sarge with Alsa drivers. In all 3 configurations, I have been able to hear sounds from xmms, gaim flash animations at the same time using esd. That's really amazing. It's good to know though so I don't waste a bunch of time trying different sound configs and kernel versions to only get the same result. Could the difference be the sound card itself? Oh, esd -nobeeps will be easier on your ears! True. I prefer hearing that esd did really start and can talk to the sound card properly, rather than just thinking it started properly and seeing that there's some kind of esd thing running when I do ps ax. So, I usually leave off the -nobeeps. Just my preference. I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas. I don't know of any way to configure where flash outputs sound, or I would think that would be it. No kidding. Really strange. Yes, looking for some kind of output driver selection from within Flash was my first thought in solving things. No such configuration option found, however. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Wim De Smet-- On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:04:27 -0700, Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again. I'm responding to my own post. It wasn't until today, weeks after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system. The problem appears to be with esd. Esd (appears to be ) used by default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in. This works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc. The only case in which it doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web browser. The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast. I feel fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without sound. If auto_spawn=0 is changed to 1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf and any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5 seconds in my case). This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it? Can anyone help me out with what is going on here? As all other audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the inital esd process started by gnome, why can't flash? Should I force gnome to use something other than esd? This is, actually, a known problem. Do dpk-reconfigure -plow mozilla-browser and you will get an option asking you to choose a wrapper for esd. It is explained there that the plugin locks /dev/dsp which causes esd to hang. So choose a wrapper here and the problem *should* be resolved. H. Thanks for the suggestion. I did as you said and changed my initial selection esddsp to auto. Start esd, 'esd '. Start mozilla. Go to a flash site; Freezes. I then set it back to esddsp just to test it again. Same thing. I also tried artdsp and flash runs and without killing my browser but no sound. Same thing with none as would be expected. So . . . not sure what to say :) -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Still no sound in Flash
Are you running esd? I'm guessing no. If not, I wonder if using esd with ALSA would help (package libesd-alsa0?). I'm dealing with a similar problem but where accessing a flash kills my browser if esd is already running. If esd is not running (and isn't automatically started by the flash plugin), flash plays normally but without sound. As this is your case, I'm wondering if you set things up so that esd is started by flash, you might get sound! Don't know if this will help you at all. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Marc Shapiro-- None of the suggestions are working for me: `fuser -v /dev/dsp` returns nothing. `killall esd` says no process killed. I have tried restarting the browser (both opera and firefox) with no success I have tried restarting fvwm2 with no success I have tried restarting X with no success Does anyone have any other ideas? -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Jacob S.-- On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:58:50 -0700 Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. Thanks for the suggestion. I did as you said and changed my initial selection esddsp to auto. Start esd, 'esd '. Start mozilla. Go to a flash site; Freezes. I then set it back to esddsp just to test it again. Same thing. I also tried artdsp and flash runs and without killing my browser but no sound. Same thing with none as would be expected. So . . . not sure what to say :) hmm... I would think it shouldn't work at all if this were the case, but - what happens if you do a whereis esddsp? Do you have the package esound-clients installed? What more specifically is the case in your case above :) whereis esddsp gives ~$ whereis esddsp esddsp: /usr/bin/esddsp /usr/share/man/man1/esddsp.1.gz Yes, esound-clients is installed. For grins you might also try setting it back to artdsp and then go to the KDE Control Center and tell it to have artsd use esd for sound output. (Probably need to do this part as root.) Hmmm, I'm currently running gnome and don't have kde installed to any degree at this point. Would possibly running kde over gnome offer a solution? HTH, Jacob -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
-In response to your message- --received from Wim De Smet-- On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:58:50 -0700, Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -In response to your message- --received from Wim De Smet-- On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:04:27 -0700, Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again. I'm responding to my own post. It wasn't until today, weeks after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system. The problem appears to be with esd. Esd (appears to be ) used by default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in. This works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc. The only case in which it doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web browser. The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast. I feel fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without sound. If auto_spawn=0 is changed to 1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf and any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5 seconds in my case). This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it? Can anyone help me out with what is going on here? As all other audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the inital esd process started by gnome, why can't flash? Should I force gnome to use something other than esd? This is, actually, a known problem. Do dpk-reconfigure -plow mozilla-browser and you will get an option asking you to choose a wrapper for esd. It is explained there that the plugin locks /dev/dsp which causes esd to hang. So choose a wrapper here and the problem *should* be resolved. H. Thanks for the suggestion. I did as you said and changed my initial selection esddsp to auto. Start esd, 'esd '. Start mozilla. Go to a flash site; Freezes. I then set it back to esddsp just to test it again. Same thing. I also tried artdsp and flash runs and without killing my browser but no sound. Same thing with none as would be expected. So . . . not sure what to say :) Strange thing. There might be a bug there. I haven't got this problem for a long time now though, but I'm currently not running esd apparently (did this go away in 2.6? I don't remember disabling it) and I use alsa with OSS emulation. Maybe I should be doing the same thing. Do you think this would solve anything? If you are not running esd, can you use more than one audio/video application at the same time and, if so, what enables this? Are ALSA drives more sophisticated than OSS ones? Oh yeah, and why alsa with OSS emulation. What's the point/advantage of the emulation. Since Jacob S. has had the same configuration at one time that I do now and without a problem, could the difference be the sound card itself? The only difference between my config and one of the configs Jacob has mentioned is using esd with a non-OSS driver. From what I can tell, the module for my card, cmpci, is not part of the OSS suite. Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
I just noticed something I didn't notice before. Since I have learned I need to kill esd before going to a flash-enabled web site to see the flash correctly (and not have my browser die), I assumed the flash was spawning its own esd process. Actually, I just noticed that, while flash is playing correctly--without freezing and with sound--no esd process is running. So flash must be accessing /dev/dsp directly which thus must be the problem when an esd process is already running. Thus, the solution would seem to be (as Wim pointed out) the sound driver wrapper used by Mozilla. Unless I'm using it wrongly (again, I'm using Sarge), it doesn't appear to solve the problem. I'm assuming if I'm using esd that I want the value of esddsp for MOZILLA_DSP. Yet neither this nor the value auto seems to allow flash to play from a web browser while esd is running. In both cases, the flash animation and the browser itself hangs. Part of the strangeness is that this wasn't a problem in Woody. This has only been the case since I've upgraded to Sarge (which possibly is due to a later version of Mozilla?). paul -In response to your message- --received from Paul Yeatman-- Hi, so it appears that I cannot successfully play flash with my web browser anymore. This has begun since I upgraded to sarge. Mozilla (and firefox) using flashplugin-nonfree freezes when I go to common flash sites. The entire browser is then hosed until the processes are killed from another window. I bet I'm explaining something all too familiar for some (many?) of you, I'm guessing. Used to work fine with Mozilla before upgrading. I've experienced the same thing on a completely different computer running Red Hat 8. I'm not seeing much discussion about it, however. So, maybe I'm either wrong, need to accept it just doesn't work or am really behind in the discussion/solution :) Epiphany plays flash just fine. But just doesn't play the soundtrack. My flash life is really in the junk yard right now. Please save me from jumping to Windows just to see homestarrunner.com. Any help? Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
Hi again. I'm responding to my own post. It wasn't until today, weeks after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system. The problem appears to be with esd. Esd (appears to be ) used by default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in. This works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc. The only case in which it doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web browser. The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast. I feel fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without sound. If auto_spawn=0 is changed to 1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf and any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5 seconds in my case). This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it? Can anyone help me out with what is going on here? As all other audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the inital esd process started by gnome, why can't flash? Should I force gnome to use something other than esd? Thanks, Paul -In response to your message- --received from Paul Yeatman-- Hi, so it appears that I cannot successfully play flash with my web browser anymore. This has begun since I upgraded to sarge. Mozilla (and firefox) using flashplugin-nonfree freezes when I go to common flash sites. The entire browser is then hosed until the processes are killed from another window. I bet I'm explaining something all too familiar for some (many?) of you, I'm guessing. Used to work fine with Mozilla before upgrading. I've experienced the same thing on a completely different computer running Red Hat 8. I'm not seeing much discussion about it, however. So, maybe I'm either wrong, need to accept it just doesn't work or am really behind in the discussion/solution :) Epiphany plays flash just fine. But just doesn't play the soundtrack. My flash life is really in the junk yard right now. Please save me from jumping to Windows just to see homestarrunner.com. Any help? Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
Hi and thanks so much for the reply. -In response to your message- --received from Jacob S.-- That's odd. I'm using esd on my system (previously with OSS drivers, now with Alsa) and I can hear sound from flash just fine; as well as play xmms at the same time, etc. I'm fairly sure the system is using esd with OSS drivers so this could be the difference. Well, actually, how do I confirm OSS drivers? The correct sound module, cmpci, is getting loaded. That's typically what I think of as the driver. Where/how does OSS come in. I for sure don't have ALSA installed. I didn't do any sound configuration myself. The build correctly identified the sound card and loads the correct module with no configuration/help needed on my part (a nice difference from previous builds of Debian :) What happens if you kill any existing esd instances, run esd from a terminal in X (assuming you're logged in as a user, not root) and then run esdctl unlock? Are you able to play both xmms and flash sounds? Also, you are using the esd output plugin in xmms, aren't you? I have no idea what 'esdctl unlock' does but I did as you said (got a series of increasing pitch tones when I ran 'esd ') but got the same result: xmms et al. work fine, while the browser, trying to employ the flash plugin, incurably freezes. Maybe I should try esd employing ALSA drivers? Paul On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:04:27 -0700 Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again. I'm responding to my own post. It wasn't until today, weeks after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system. The problem appears to be with esd. Esd (appears to be ) used by default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in. This works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc. The only case in which it doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web browser. The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast. I feel fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without sound. If auto_spawn=0 is changed to 1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf and any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5 seconds in my case). This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it? Can anyone help me out with what is going on here? As all other audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the initial esd process started by gnome, why can't flash? Should I force gnome to use something other than esd? That's odd. I'm using esd on my system (previously with OSS drivers, now with Alsa) and I can hear sound from flash just fine; as well as play xmms at the same time, etc. What happens if you kill any existing esd instances, run esd from a terminal in X (assuming you're logged in as a user, not root) and then run esdctl unlock? Are you able to play both xmms and flash sounds? Also, you are using the esd output plugin in xmms, aren't you? HTH, Jacob -- GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 Random .signature #43: Q: How many Microsoft Programmers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: It cannot be done. You will need to upgrade your house. Q: How many Linux users does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Two. One to write the HOWTO-LIGHTBULB-CRONJOB, and another to read it. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
acme
Hi, for anyone running Sarge, the acme package was a cool new feature to me that allowed you to set up multimedia keys on whatever keyboard one has. Starting with updates a couple weeks ago, acme now conflicts with gnome and other foundational gnome packages. Eventhough initially gnome and acme were installed together, apparently now they can't be. Just curious if anyone knows anything about this? Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acme
Hmmm, interesting. Well, now I don't know. This is what I'm basing my message on # apt-get -u install acme Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: capplets gnome gnome-applets gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment gnome-office gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-terminal The following NEW packages will be installed: acme 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 10 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 217kB of archives. After unpacking 18.4MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. I assumed given this that acme conflicted with gnome et al. A 'dpkg -p acme' yeilds . . . Conflicts: pbbuttonsd . . . however. Your tip seems to show the problem. 'apt-get install acme gnome' yeilds . . . The following packages have unmet dependencies: capplets: Conflicts: acme but 2.4.3-2 is to be installed . . . Apparently capplets is what gives you tools to configure Gnome2 so I guess you can have one or the other. Too bad but I guess that's the deal. Thanks! Paul -In response to your message- --received from Chris Metzler-- On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:29:50 -0700 Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, for anyone running Sarge, the acme package was a cool new feature to me that allowed you to set up multimedia keys on whatever keyboard one has. Starting with updates a couple weeks ago, acme now conflicts with gnome and other foundational gnome packages. Eventhough initially gnome and acme were installed together, apparently now they can't be. Just curious if anyone knows anything about this? You can usually figure this out yourself with a little iterative use of apt-get. e.g. if you try apt-get install foo and it tries to remove bar, following that up with apt-get install foo bar will tell you where the conflict is. Sometimes you have to go a few times in, e.g. apt-get foo bar responds by trying to remove baz, so you have to do a apt-get foo bar baz. But eventually you can see what the complaint is. You failed to include a transcript of your attempt at installation, but a qucick look at acme on packages.debian.org shows that it appears to depend on GNOME-ish libraries that are all present in current-enough versions on sarge. Are you sure it's conflicting with GNOME? Or is it simply trying to remove meta-packages that don't have any actual contents, like the packages gnome and gnome-desktop-environment? -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acme
Ah, thanks. I'll give hotkeys a look. Ok, so I'm not the only one who was surprised to find out my gnome and other gnome-essential packages were removed after an update one day? Paul -In response to your message- --received from Jacob S.-- On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:29:50 -0700 Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, for anyone running Sarge, the acme package was a cool new feature to me that allowed you to set up multimedia keys on whatever keyboard one has. Starting with updates a couple weeks ago, acme now conflicts with gnome and other foundational gnome packages. Eventhough initially gnome and acme were installed together, apparently now they can't be. Just curious if anyone knows anything about this? I've never used acme, but it sounds similar to hotkeys. Unlike acme, however, hotkeys can be installed and run simultaneously with gnome. Unfortunately I'm not sure why apt wants to remove gnome when installing acme. HTH, Jacob -- GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 Random .signature #21: In a world without fences, who needs Gates? -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lost disks option in nautilus menu
Hi, I'm running Gnome in Sarge (thus Gnome2) which I believe also implies nautilus. I believe it is nautilus that provides a desktop menu when one uses a right, mouse click on the desktop. There used to be an opion in this menu that read 'disks' with an arrow implying a sub-menu (maybe it said 'devices', not sure now). I believe using /etc/fstab it would show which removable disks were available and if you selected one, such as a cdrom, it would attempt to mount it and display the contents. This menu option disappeared from the menu a couple weeks ago (about the same time gnome et al were automatically removed during an update). Can anyone explain this and suggest how to get it back? Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acme (solved, more of less)
Travis points out that Applications - Desktop Preferences - Keyboard Shortcuts essentially provides what acme does. I can find the shortcuts I want here and am happy with this. Thanks much for everyone's input. I agree that something is not quite right in the package inter-relations between acme and gnome, Jacob. Paul On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 13:13, Travis Crump wrote: Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, for anyone running Sarge, the acme package was a cool new feature to me that allowed you to set up multimedia keys on whatever keyboard one has. Starting with updates a couple weeks ago, acme now conflicts with gnome and other foundational gnome packages. Eventhough initially gnome and acme were installed together, apparently now they can't be. Just curious if anyone knows anything about this? Paul the changelog entries suggested that acme was incorporated into gnome-control-center, and indeed there is something which resembles acme in the new control center though it is missing a couple commands. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)
Hi, so it appears that I cannot successfully play flash with my web browser anymore. This has begun since I upgraded to sarge. Mozilla (and firefox) using flashplugin-nonfree freezes when I go to common flash sites. The entire browser is then hosed until the processes are killed from another window. I bet I'm explaining something all too familiar for some (many?) of you, I'm guessing. Used to work fine with Mozilla before upgrading. I've experienced the same thing on a completely different computer running Red Hat 8. I'm not seeing much discussion about it, however. So, maybe I'm either wrong, need to accept it just doesn't work or am really behind in the discussion/solution :) Epiphany plays flash just fine. But just doesn't play the soundtrack. My flash life is really in the junk yard right now. Please save me from jumping to Windows just to see homestarrunner.com. Any help? Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gnome 2.6 and keybindings
Hi, sorry for such a basic question but can't seem to find (what seems should be) a quick answer. How do I switch key bindings in Gnome 2.6 (for Sarge)? I like to switch Caps Lock and Control and have done this for the console but it gets unswitched when Gnome (gdm) is started. How do I switch it within Gnome, too? Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome 2.6 and keybindings
I've checked this 10 or so times. I must be missing something. How do I remap the keys? When I go to Applications/Desktop Preferences/Keyboard, a window labeled Keyboard Preferences emerges. There are two tabs, Keyboard and Typing Break. Neither seem to offer key remapping. Clicking Accessibility didn't do much for me either. Am I being an idiot and missing something here :) paul -In response to your message- --received from Patrick Lane-- Menu/Applications/Desktop Preferences/Keyboard On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 14:02, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, sorry for such a basic question but can't seem to find (what seems should be) a quick answer. How do I switch key bindings in Gnome 2.6 (for Sarge)? I like to switch Caps Lock and Control and have done this for the console but it gets unswitched when Gnome (gdm) is started. How do I switch it within Gnome, too? Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome 2.6 and keybindings
Thanks! I'm using Sarge and I only have two tabs in the keyboard preferences window. Thus still not sure how to remap my keys. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Nicholas Lativy-- On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 02:38:42PM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: I've checked this 10 or so times. I must be missing something. How do I remap the keys? When I go to Applications/Desktop Preferences/Keyboard, a window labeled Keyboard Preferences emerges. There are two tabs, Keyboard and Typing Break. Neither seem to offer key remapping. Very strange I have 4 tabs in the Keyboard Prefernces window, one of which is Layout Options and under this several keys can be swapped around etc. I'm running Sid BTW. -- Nicholas Lativy http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lativy -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome 2.6 and keybindings
Those are great, thank! I may try the first and I completely forgot about the second. You reminded me that this is how I used to do this in the past. Thanks! Paul -In response to your message- --received from Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corsetti Dutra-- Em Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:10:22 +0200, Paul Yeatman escreveu: I like to switch Caps Lock and Control and have done this for the console but it gets unswitched when Gnome (gdm) is started. You have at least four options: You can disable the XKB extension of X so that it uses the same keyboard map as the console does. You can use Option XkbOptionsctrl:swapcaps in /etc/X11/XF86Config or something the like. You can use an ~/.xmodmap file, probably created with xkeycaps. You can use the Gnome 2.6 Control Panel. I would prefer the first, but as I never got around configuring my console as I wish I ended up with the second. I think the fourth sucks, and I use the third too for both user-specific – as opposed to system-wide – configurations and for fancy AltGr characters. -- Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (11) 5685 2219 Av Sgto Geraldo Santana, 1100 6/71[EMAIL PROTECTED] 04.674-000 São Paulo, SPBRASIL http://br.geocities.com./lgcdutra/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
package search
Hi, is it possible to search for more than one word with the online Debian package search (for searching package descriptions)? If so, I wasn't able to figure out how. Bonus question (and the reason I'm trying to search for more than one word in Debian package descriptions): is there any tool that someone knows of to convert a PDF to an image. According to one of the users here, the Windows version of acroreader has this option but it doesn't appear that the linux version does. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPD files
In cleaning up my desk, I ran across a sheet of old notes that somewhat answers my own question. 'defoma-psfont-installer' is the command I was trying to recall that requested PPD files. Still not sure what this is all about, however. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Paul Yeatman-- -In response to your message- --received from [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Paul Yeatman wrote: I'm trying to figure out exactly what the PPD file thing is about. Hi Paul, These files define the capabilities of a printer. You can download the appropriate ppd file from linuxprinting.org or (sometimes) from the vendor's site. They are just plain text files, so if you want to know what's in them just fire up vim and take a look. One of the packages using ppd files is cups, might that be the one you're thinking about? Grx HdV Yes, I've definitely noticed the correlation between CUPS and PPD files but I don't have CUPS installed on any of my machines. Thanks for the explanation of PPD files yet I should have been more explicit. I realize a PPD file provides information regarding Postscript commands/capabilities? of a particular printer but, I guess, my question is more . . . how, when and why would one use it? And what package could it have been that encouraged me to provide PPD files (knowing I don't have CUPS installed I'm assuming it is a common Debian package)? I currently use lprng with the ifhp package (hp print filters) for printing. I noticed recently when trying to get a PCL only printer working that the foomatic config script put a line :ppdfile=path in the printcap. Is there any advantage with using this with my ordinary entries (or is this essentially what the ifhp filter is doing through another means)? Yesterday, I found a package called hp-ppd. I installed this (not knowing exactly what it was getting me) and apparently it provides PPD files for HP printers. But then what . . . unless you use the ppdfile= entry in printcap but . . . what does that get you? I also noticed a package called lpr-ppd. How does this compare with lprng and when/why would one choose to use this for his print spooler? This is more along the line of my inquiry(ies). Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PPD files
Hi, I'm trying to figure out exactly what the PPD file thing is about. This is new to me. I remember way back when, either when upgrading to Woody or sometime thereafter, some software (my best guess is the defoma package) got installed that had a debconf window that explicitely encouraged something about getting the PPD files for any printers used. I had no idea what these were at the time and, as printing seemed to work fine, I left things alone. Now I'm getting more exposed to printing and PPD files and am again wondering what all this is about. If I remember correctly, the debconf message added that a program/command was to run once the correct PPD file(s) were acquired. I tried running 'dpkg-reconfigure defoma' but apparently there is no debconf interaction with this package. Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPD files
-In response to your message- --received from [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Paul Yeatman wrote: I'm trying to figure out exactly what the PPD file thing is about. Hi Paul, These files define the capabilities of a printer. You can download the appropriate ppd file from linuxprinting.org or (sometimes) from the vendor's site. They are just plain text files, so if you want to know what's in them just fire up vim and take a look. One of the packages using ppd files is cups, might that be the one you're thinking about? Grx HdV Yes, I've definitely noticed the correlation between CUPS and PPD files but I don't have CUPS installed on any of my machines. Thanks for the explanation of PPD files yet I should have been more explicit. I realize a PPD file provides information regarding Postscript commands/capabilities? of a particular printer but, I guess, my question is more . . . how, when and why would one use it? And what package could it have been that encouraged me to provide PPD files (knowing I don't have CUPS installed I'm assuming it is a common Debian package)? I currently use lprng with the ifhp package (hp print filters) for printing. I noticed recently when trying to get a PCL only printer working that the foomatic config script put a line :ppdfile=path in the printcap. Is there any advantage with using this with my ordinary entries (or is this essentially what the ifhp filter is doing through another means)? Yesterday, I found a package called hp-ppd. I installed this (not knowing exactly what it was getting me) and apparently it provides PPD files for HP printers. But then what . . . unless you use the ppdfile= entry in printcap but . . . what does that get you? I also noticed a package called lpr-ppd. How does this compare with lprng and when/why would one choose to use this for his print spooler? This is more along the line of my inquiry(ies). Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCL only printer
-In response to your message- --received from Marc Wilson-- On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:39:23PM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote: The main problem now is that almost everything prints in red or shades of red. When postscripts were not printing correctly before, what was being printed was in black. Now what should be black prints as red. Yes, I've seen that before. For me, that's what happens if I ask the 932C to print in less than Photo mode... darks come out very red while lighter colors seem to be fine. That's why the script explicitly sets the quality when printing to the 932C vs the 1120C. Well, in waiting for a reply about this, I decided to work more with the stable packages which I had already downloaded: foomatic-bin, hpijs and packages on which they depend/recommend. Foomatic-bin didn't support my exact printer exactly so I decided to try to use as close a DeskJet ###C xml file as possible (not knowing if it really works this way but seems reasonable). Using the xml file from foomatic-bin for an HP DeskJet 920C seems to work fine, normal colors and all. If there is any consequence of not using the exact printer file from foomatic-bin for my printer, I don't know what it would be yet. My printcap entry for the HP 932C (or HP 920C, however you look at it), once the appropriate stable packages are installed and using foomatic-configure to make the entry, ended up looking like this: # Entry edited Fri Feb 27 13:04:23 2004 by foomatic-configure. # Additional configuration atop /etc/foomatic/lpd/jelly.lom jelly|here|:\ :cm=desktop printer -- HP DeskJet 920C :sd=/var/spool/lpd/jelly:\ :ppdfile=/etc/foomatic/jelly.ppd:\ :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\ :filter_options= --lprng $J $Z /etc/foomatic/lpd/jelly.lom:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:\ :if=/usr/sbin/lpdomatic:\ :force_localhost:\ :sh:\ :mx#0 Not sure if this is due to earlier versions of software than you are using. I am using the (stable) versions of the following hpijs 1.0.4-1 gs 6.53-3 ii hpijs 1.5-1 HP Inkjet Server - Ghostscript driver for HP ii gs 7.07-1 The Ghostscript Postscript interpreter I don't know what the capabilities of hpijs 1.0.4 are, but it's VERY dated. The 1.5 version should be easy enough to build, if you feel the need. You can probably build both of them from source on a Woody box... hpijs only deps on debhelper, and gs itself isn't much more extensive. *Other* things dep on gs, though, so make sure you know what you're doing if you're going to build that. I looked into building things myself but thought I'd try the above first and since this seems to work I am happy with that for now. The first thing I ran into from trying to build Debian packages using the testing source code was that things depended on po-debconf which doesn't exist at all in Woody. Not that this couldn't be built too but it was enough to make me consider whether it was worth it and if I was going to end up being knee deep in building packages just to get newer versions of hpijs, foomatic-bin and/or gs. Along that line, I haven't been able to figure out from the HP page yet how to print a test page from the printer itself so that I can see what colors are correctly printing. Press and hold the Page Eject while the printer is turned on. Let go after it loads a page. Great to know. Thanks and thanks for all the help in general, particularly, encouragement that things could work using Debian and the new printer. Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCL only printer
You rock the linux/DeskJet 932C world! I don't care what you say about your scripting skills! :) That's mostly initial excitement over the fact that this is the first time I sent a print job to my 932C and got what I hoped instead of %!PS-Adobe-1.0 . . . . This doesn't mean I'm completely in the clear, however, but oh so much closer than 30 minutes ago when I was downloading foomatic-bin and libwww- perl and etc. and then running 'foomatic-configure' only to find out it doesn't support 932C's (at least not with the stable version). The main problem now is that almost everything prints in red or shades of red. When postscripts were not printing correctly before, what was being printed was in black. Now what should be black prints as red. Not sure if this is due to earlier versions of software than you are using. I am using the (stable) versions of the following hpijs 1.0.4-1 gs 6.53-3 Along that line, I haven't been able to figure out from the HP page yet how to print a test page from the printer itself so that I can see what colors are correctly printing. One doc I read said to hold the power button while hitting cancel twice to clean the heads. It said after the cleaning it would print one page to give the results. The cleaning appears to happen but no page is ever printed. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Marc Wilson-- On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 02:20:28PM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, I recently inherited an HP Deskjet 932C printer. Apparently this only uses the PCL printer language. As I need to be able to print postscript for this to be of much use to me, I've been struggling to make this happen. I love my 932C. Works great. Cartridges are a little expensive, like all HP inkjets, but it prints well. much ado about ifhp deleted Well, ifhp is smart enough to use ghostscript in order to get from PostScript to PCL when it has to, but I don't think it can do what you want directly. It has to be aware that it should be producing the color superset of PCL 3 that the 932C speaks, and I'm not sure it can. I beat on it for a while, then gave up and wrote a shell script to support the 932C. I reproduce it below. * /etc/printcap: * # /etc/printcap # for rei # the simplest solutions are the best... no apsfilter, no magicfilter, # just ifhp and one, count 'em, ONE shell script for talking to the # deskjets. # whyinhell do people mess with all the other crap? lp|laser|pro630|LaserWriter: :ifhp=model=apple,letter,status@ :filter=/usr/lib/ifhp/ifhp :lp=jetdirect2%9100 :mx#0 :sh :rg=printers dj932c|DeskJet_932C_Color: :lp=/dev/usb/lp0 :if=/usr/local/bin/deskjetfilter 932 :mx#0 :sh :rg=printers dj1120c|DeskJet_1120C_Color: :lp=jetdirect1%9100 :if=/usr/local/bin/deskjetfilter 1120 :mx#0 :sh :rg=printers # below here are special-purpose printers pdf|pdfwriter|PDF_Writer :lp=/dev/null :if=/usr/local/bin/pdffilter :mx#0 :sh :rg=printers # end of /etc/printcap # $Id: printcap,v 1.8 2004/02/24 06:34:18 root Exp root $ * /usr/local/bin/deskjetfilter * #!/bin/bash # deskjetfilter - take in postscript, output PCL via GhostScript/HPIJS # Marc Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) # uncomment the following line to enable entirely too much output... #DEBUG=yes GS='/usr/bin/gs' HPIJS='/usr/bin/hpijs' # I'd like to run them both at 600 dpi, but the 1120C weirds out # so set it for the 932C specifically down below... # GSOPTS='-q -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -sBATCH -r600x600' GSOPTS='-q -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -sBATCH' IJSOPTS1='-sDEVICE=ijs -sIjsServer=hpijs -dIjsUseOutputFD -sDeviceManufacturer=HEWLETT-PACKARD' IJSOPTS2='-sDeviceModel=DESKJET 1120' LOGGER='/usr/bin/logger' ENSCRIPT='/usr/bin/enscript' ENSCRIPTOPTS='-Bh -M letter -p -' FACILITY=lpr.debug TEMPORARY=`mktemp /tmp/deskjet_` if [ ! -x $GS ] || [ ! -x $HPIJS ]; then exit 1 ; fi case $1 in 932) if [ $DEBUG ]; then $LOGGER -p $FACILITY deskjetfilter: Specified printer is 932C ; fi # 932C is a PITA, you get crap unless you push it into Photo mode IJSOPTS2='-sDeviceModel=DESKJET 932 -sIjsParams=Quality:Quality=2,Quality:ColorMode=2,Quality:MediaType=2' PAPER=-sPAPERSIZE=letter GSOPTS=$GSOPTS -r600x600 ;; 1120) if [ $DEBUG ]; then $LOGGER -p $FACILITY deskjetfilter: Specified printer is 1120C ; fi # 1120C seems to do quite well at a lower quality setting IJSOPTS2='-sDeviceModel=DESKJET 1120' # 1120C can do letter, but that's what the 932C is here for, after all PAPER=-sPAPERSIZE=11x17 ;; *) if [ $DEBUG ]; then $LOGGER -p $FACILITY deskjetfilter: Printer type was not specified ; fi exit 1 ;; esac # save the input stream cat
Re: PCL only printer
snip
Do you have the hpijs package installed?
Yes. I was [mindlessly?] following the documentation for 'gs' first
telling me where to get the source code for hpijs. I retrieved it,
built it, installed it, tried it but no dice. When you asked this
question, I realized there is likely a Debian package for hpijs . . .
which there is! :) So I uninstalled the one I built in /usr/local and
installed the Debian package instead. Still no dice, however. I call
hpijs using the following line in the printcap (using lprng and ifhp):
:ifhp=pcl_ps,hpijs
Hpijs clearly seems to provide a driver for an HP deskjet 932C but I
still can't get it to work as a postscript printer yet. By the way,
when I try the 'gs -sDEVICE=hpijs file.ps' command with Debian's
packaging of hpijs, I get the same error message given in my initial
message.
snip
of that another job has [/dev/lpi] open. First off, what is
/dev/lpi? This didn't exist for me so I made it a link to /dev/lp0 to
try to cover my bases. Still no success.
I think the i must refer to a subscript as in lp[i], i={0,1,2..}
Ah.
BTW I usually struggle through the printing stuff too (no guru here).
HTH
Well, thanks so much for the response. I appreciate any ideas/help I
can get.
Paul
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Re: PCL only printer
-In response to your message- --received from Vineet Kumar-- * Jack Carroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040219 19:02]: As far as I could tell, the only file that needed to be configured after installing lpd was /etc/printcap. Unfortunately, there's some stuff in there that isn't well-documented, so I had to let printtool do the job. You could probably download it from Red Hat, or there might even be a .deb for all I know. Yup; it's called lprngtool. Thanks. I gave this a shot to configure the local HP deskjet 932C. It doesn't seem to do anything particular concerning a PCL only printer and, with no real surprise, fails just the same as the printcap I've come up with on my own. Thanks for the suggestion. Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCL only printer
-In response to your message- --received from Ralph Katz-- As an end user, I found much confusion in setting up my printer. This page will reassure you that your printer is good for linux, but you may only need to do apt-get install hpijs cups to get it running. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_932C HP DeskJet 932C Color inkjet printer, max. 2400x1200 dpi, works Perfectly Recommended driver: hpijs Setup instructions for: CUPS, LPD, LPRng, GNUlpr, PPR, PDQ, no spooler The page also has debian specific suggestions. Good luck! Great. Thanks for the hope! I could try to convert to CUPS although I've never used it. I'm currently using LPRng. I'll take a look at the page and see if I can get it to work with my current software which appears to be supported. If I can't get anywhere with that, I'll see what CUPS can do for me. Thanks so much for the suggested web site, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCL only printer
-In response to your message- --received from CW Harris-- On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:03:24PM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote: snip installed the Debian package instead. Still no dice, however. I call hpijs using the following line in the printcap (using lprng and ifhp): :ifhp=pcl_ps,hpijs Hpijs clearly seems to provide a driver for an HP deskjet 932C but I still can't get it to work as a postscript printer yet. By the way, when I try the 'gs -sDEVICE=hpijs file.ps' command with Debian's packaging of hpijs, I get the same error message given in my initial message. Take another look at the /usr/share/doc/hpijs/hpijs_readme.html Specifically, 4. Now run the gs -h command, you should see the ijs device name. I haven't used ifhp, but perhaps all you need is to use the ijs driver (it is /not/ called hpijs). Actually on mine it is. And my hpijs doc is only in /usr/doc. Sounds like you might be using a version of Debian other than stable. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PCL only printer
Hi, I recently inherited an HP Deskjet 932C printer. Apparently this only uses the PCL printer language. As I need to be able to print postscript for this to be of much use to me, I've been struggling to make this happen. I'm running stable Debian using lprng and ifhp as printer software. According to ifhp documentation, I need to us ghostscript to convert a postscript to (I suppose) PCL so that it can be printed on a printer like mine. Ultimately, this can be setup in the ifhp config file but I'm trying to successfully show that I can do this with ghostscript, 'gs', alone first. This is where I am stopped (I can't get it to work with ifhp right off the bat so I'm going one step at a time: get it to work with 'gs' first). According to 'man gs', I should be able to run something like 'gs -sDEVICE=hpijs file.ps' to have file.ps print directly to the printer for which hpijs is a driver. Having experimented with many drivers, one of which should definitely work with my printer, I continue to get: GNU Ghostscript 6.53 (2002-02-13) Copyright (C) 2002 artofcode LLC, Benicia, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file COPYING for details. Error: /invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage-- blah blah blah If I look up this error in the gs documentation, it seems to address it perfectly: Since /dev/lpi can be opened only for exclusive use, if another job has it open (engine_ctl_sparc or another Ghostscript are the most likely candidates), Ghostscript stops with Error: /invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage-- In case of common printer problems like being out of paper, a warning describing the reason is printed to stdout. The driver tries access again each five seconds. Due to a problem with the device driver (in the kernel) the reason for printer failure isn't always reported correctly to the program. This is the case, for instance, if you open the top cover (error E5 on the printer's display). Look at the display on the printer itself if a Printer problem with unknown reason is reported. Fatal errors cause the print job to be terminated. The only problem is that my printer is sitting there ready (it has no problem printing a simple text file) and there is no reason I can think of that another job has [/dev/lpi] open. First off, what is /dev/lpi? This didn't exist for me so I made it a link to /dev/lp0 to try to cover my bases. Still no success. I get the same result with any reasonable driver name I try with 'gs'. Any help? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
installing new kernel packages
I'm curious what are other peoples' practices when installing a new kernel package for a kernel version already installed (and the one you are likely already booted to). The new package may be for the same kernel version but for a different release(?) of that version as with the newly released package(s) for kernel-image-2.4.18-1-*. When one attempts this, s/he is confronted with an alarming message that is not very clear. Because of this, I play it very safe and usually boot to a different kernel version, 'rm -rf' the /lib/modules of the kernel I'm replacing and then install the new package before booting back into the kernel of the new package. I'm questioning whether this is really necessary. I know that with Red Hat, new kernel packages are simply installed, no questions asked (if they are not on the packages to skip list). -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
root ext3 filesystem being mounted as ext2
Hi, I have a problem I've never run into before with a system: the root partition is undesirably and inexplicably being mounted as ext2 during bootup. I'm using kernel 2.4.20-20.8 (sorry this happens to be a Red Hat machine although I wish it weren't--it's outside of my control) and all other partitions get normally mounted as ext3 as expected. The fstab for / reads, as so typical, LABEL=/ / ext3defaults1 1 and the filesystem appears to be attempted to be mounted as ext3 but then defers to ext2 with the following message: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,1)): ext2_read_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 I've looked into this quite a bit both with trying different things with the computer and doing searches for the above message in Google. Neither have paid off. I'm getting desperate. Any help? Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: root ext3 filesystem being mounted as ext2
Hi, Thanks for this. I am familiar with initrd images but never understood their purpose. Now I do :) This indeed was the problem: apparently the kernel did not have ext3 compiled into it nor did this particular system have an initrd to load the ext3 module before mounting the root file system. A mkinitrd initrd-2.4.20-20.8 2.4.20-20.8 solved the problem. Thanks alot! Paul -In response to your message- --received from Alexander Rink-- I remember that i had the same problem when using ext3fs as a module and no initrd. This is because the kernel can only load the ext3 module AFTER the root partition is mounted and the only way to mount it is using ext2 (compatibility). Without the compabilitiy you wouldnt be able to mount your root partition in this case. Just compile ext3fs into your kernel (doesnt make sense to make a initrd just containing a module u need for your root partition). Hope this helps... Greetings Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- Determining which true type font package to install myself isn't so obvious. Looks like any package starting with ttf- are true type font packages. The only three that don't seem to be for another language are the non-free larabie packages. ttf-bitstream-vera is in sarge and sid and is quite Free. I even gave the full URL to the .deb :) As well as msttcorefonts, which is an installer package which downloads the MS corefonts and sets them up for you. Yes, I appreciated and downloaded the ttf-bitstream-vera for my stable distribution while reading your guide. I held off on installing it until I was sure that that is what I wanted to do. I did check the contents of the package and was thrown off by the issue mentioned below, that the fonts didn't install into /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ which, at the time, didn't seem to get me anywhere. Looking at the list of files, these seem to unpack into /usr/X11R6/X11/fonts/TrueType/ and /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ instead of into /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/. Yes, x-ttcidfont symlinks the fonts into /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/, they still get installed somewhere else. Ok, I'll go ahead and install the ttf-bitstream-vera mentioned above and see where that gets me. Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promise Fasttrak 100 PDC20267 on Debian
Hmmm, I don't even have this directory under my /dev/ (with the stable distribution). Does this get added with the testing distribution or some other way? ... you can get a script to create the device files from there: http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/pdcraid/MAKEDEV by the way: the device nodes are included if you install from a more recent bf2.4 boot floppy with woody do (the first few did or did only partly support the promise raid chips and so i had to make the floppy myself but as i remember at least the device nodes are included now since i was able to install directly on the pdc20265r array last time, though i dropped the board with the onbpard raid a while back, but i dont think they removed it?) [I reformatted it for you, Albert :)] Very cool! Thanks so much. The script for creating the /dev/ataraid device files is very appreciated. This makes me think I should clarify something here, however: I'm wanting to do hardware RAID, not software RAID. I'm assuming because we are talking about RAID cards (vs. IDE cards) that this is assumed but possibly it is not. On the Red Hat machine that I set up to do hardware RAID'ing with a Promise card (using Promise's instructions and driver), the system isn't RAID'ing at all. It simply sees the RAID array as a scsi device. I wanting to do the same on a Debian system if possible. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05:21PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said So, for the sake of clarification as some conflicting statements have been made, as long as the FontPath to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType is given in XF86Config-4, the order of the FontPaths doesn't matter, ie. even if the path to Type1 fonts is given first, X will put it last it? Er, I more meant that the default config that *new* installs of X creates puts the Type1 line at the bottom. As far as I know, it will still cause problems if it's not at the bottom. Got it, thanks! The debconf message for defoma told me to put /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType as a FontPath in XF86Config-4 but my /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfon t-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ directory contains nothing but the file, fonts.dir, at the moment. This doesn't seem correct. Have you installed any truetype font packages from Debian? Apparently not :) I wasn't even aware I needed to (this is the level of font understanding I'm coming from :). If defoma uses true type fonts, why doesn't it suggest/recommend any true type font packages to install? Determining which true type font package to install myself isn't so obvious. Looks like any package starting with ttf- are true type font packages. The only three that don't seem to be for another language are the non-free larabie packages. Looking at the list of files, these seem to unpack into /usr/X11R6/X11/fonts/TrueType/ and /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ instead of into /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/. Thanks of all your other comments. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promise Fasttrak 100 PDC20267 on Debian
-In response to your message- --received from Albert Dengg-- ... if you want to use the promise scsi emulation drivers in debian you find instrutions/drivers here: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/ (goto the preload floppy) But i never tried it (i gave up using the promise raid controller after the MB tied (it was an onboard controller), but I would recommend to stick to the opensource driver. One warning though: it is _not_ included in the 2.5/2.6 kernel Thanks again! I followed the links from above to the Promise web site http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productId=88category=Allos=100 grabbed the Partial Linux Source Code, compiled it as instructed, loaded the new module and can now see the mirrored RAID array as /dev/sda just like on the Red Hat machine. Thanks so much! The new scsi disk is now formatted and mounted under Debian! Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: downgrading libc6
-In response to your message- --received from Travis Crump-- How much of an idiot do you think the former admin was? It seems insane that anyone would upgrade libc6 for no good reason. I have a feeling that downgrading libc6 is going to break something in /usr/local/... I realized after the fact: he wanted gcc|g77|g++3.2. So far, nothing seems broken (well, actually I've been trying to figure out why AMANDA isn't work currently so maybe that isn't completely true). Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just point X at /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, and leave it alone. Without defoma, you'd have to point X at wherever fonts installed themselves, and update the various fonts.* files that live next to the fonts. The only really neccessary step seems to be adding that one line to XF86Config-4. fontconfig seems to come setup correctly out of the box, X will put Type1 done the bottom all by itself, and the unscaled thing doesn't seem to have any effect anymore. So, for the sake of clarification as some conflicting statements have been made, as long as the FontPath to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType is given in XF86Config-4, the order of the FontPaths doesn't matter, ie. even if the path to Type1 fonts is given first, X will put it last it? Also, Rob's guide assumes that fontconfig is installed. As I use only the stable distribution at the moment, defoma is installed but not fontconfig. The debconf message for defoma told me to put /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType as a FontPath in XF86Config-4 but my /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfon t-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ directory contains nothing but the file, fonts.dir, at the moment. This doesn't seem correct. Is this bunk until fontconfig is installed? -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt: exporting and importing list of installed packages
It is not quite clear to me from the man-page what would happen to already installed packages. I suppose that set-selections only affects those packages that are actually in the list. Yes, I believe it only changes the packages listed in the file. All others are unaffected. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: downgrading libc6
Well, for the record, with not getting anyone else's opinion on this, I finally gave things a try and ran dpkg -i libc6_2.2.5-11.5_i386.deb libc6-dev_2.2.5-11.5_i386.deb and the only warning (other than the obvious fact that I was downgrading packages) was that such a downgrade would require overwriting another package's files, libdb1-compat. This package is required by libc6 = 2.2.5-13 which applied to the higher version of libc6 I was coming from but not going to. So, with a fair amount of looking over manual pages for dpkg and such, I came up with: dpkg -i -B --force-overwrite libc6*2.2.5*.deb which I tried with a bit of concern. The -B is supposed to deconfigure any packages which depend on a package(s) you are removing. The --force-overwrite tells dpkg to go ahead and write over another package's files. This worked great! Once libc6 and libc6-dev where downgraded, I was able to remove libdb1-compat without trouble (again, worried a bit that removal of the package might remove files required by libc6-2.2.5-11.5 but it thankfully did not). Paul -In response to your message- --received from Paul Yeatman-- Hi, I've inherited a Debian system that primarily uses the stable distribution and yet on which the previous manager must have upgraded libc6, libc6-dev and locales to, likely, the testing distribution as they are higher versions than available from stable. Now that it is in my hands, I'd prefer it use the versions current with the stable dist. From doing some research, I feel fairly confident that only the packages above where upgraded (using 'dpkg -l', going through 'dselect', looking through /var/lib/dpkg/available, etc) yet realize these are less than perfect checks and that I could easily be missing something. I'm tempted to downgrade with a: dpkg -i libc6_2.2.5-11.5_i386 libc6-dev_2.2.5-11.5_i386 locales_2.2.5-11.5_i386 I'm I asking for a lot of trouble Is there a safer more sure way to do this? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promise Fasttrak 100 PDC20267 on Debian
-In response to your message- --received from Ron Johnson-- On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 00:27, Greg Vickers wrote: Hi all, Just wondering if there is a person or group working on supporting the mirror features of the Promise Fasttrak 100 PDC20267 on Debian? Have you tried moving to a newer kernel? According to 'grep -r PDC20267 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.19', that chip is supported by Debian-packaged kernels. You will probably have to grab the deb directly from the web page, though. Hi, similarly, I have an onboard Promise RAID chip but with chipset PDC20276 which, however so close, doesn't seem to be offered the same support by the 2.4.18(-19) kernel (at least it doesn't explicitely say it supports it as it does the PDC202067 chipset). The device is called MBFastTrak133 and I'm having no luck having the system acknowledge the mirrored hard drive array. I've used FastTrak 100 on a Red Hat machine before. I was instructed by Promise to use the following kernel options at boot: ide0=0x1f0,0x3f6,14 ide1=0x170,0x376,15 ide2=0 ide3=0 ide4=0 ide5=0 ide6=0 i de7=0 ide8=0 ide9=0 with installing the Promise FastTrak 100 driver, a kernel module appropriately named FastTrak which gets put in with the other kernel modules for specifically kernel 2.4.18-14 and which gets inserted with the following alias in /etc/module.conf alias scsi_hostadapter FastTrak ft This works great, causing the mirrored RAID array to show up as a scsi device, for me, /dev/sda. I can't tell that these same kernel options have any effect on my Debian system and I can't use the same FastTrak, Red Hat driver as Debian doesn't offer exactly kernel 2.4.18-14 (although with trouble I suppose I could build this kernel version if this is the only way to go). Verifying that the Block Device for PDC202XX is indeed built into the Debian 2.4.18-ll kernel, I was hoping things might just work. Using the same kernel boot options, I was hoping the mirrored devices might magically show up as /dev/sda or at least individually or otherwise under some ide device name. No such success. Any ideas, tips, thoughts out there? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promise Fasttrak 100 PDC20267 on Debian
Thanks for the reply! -In response to your message- --received from Roberto Sanchez-- I had to get a 2.4.21 kernel to get support for the 20276 chipset. I suppose you are using the testing distribution? Do you know that previous kernels such as 2.4.18 didn't support this specific chip or just that at least 2.4.21 one does? With the kernel driver mine shows up as /dev/ataraid/d0 Hmmm, I don't even have this directory under my /dev/ (with the stable distribution). Does this get added with the testing distribution or some other way? Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
and add this dir/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/dir just after the fontconfig line. Fontconfig should pick these up immediately, and fc-list should list your new fonts. Another neat feature of fontconfig is that you can just drop fonts in ~/.fonts/ and all your fontconfigified programs will have access to them immediately. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: Ft. Knox arrangements beanpole UOP Legion of Doom Echelon Hi, VeriSign! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt
What kind of error messages are you getting? Paul -In response to your message- --received from Davi Leal-- dselect has forced me to remove a lot of packages and I can not install them now. I can not install apache, perl, ... This Debian GNU/Linux host has been executing (sid, unstable) since more than two years ago, being updated each week. # apt-cache policy apache apache: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Package Pin: (not found) Version Table: 1.3.28-3 1000 500 ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/main Packages # # apt-cache policy perl-modules perl-modules: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Package Pin: (not found) Version Table: 5.8.1-2 1000 500 ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/main Packages # -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt: exporting and importing list of installed packages
Is there a way to dump my current selection to a file and read it back later? I didn't find such an option in aptitude or any of the other tools. I use this: grep -E ^Package|Status:.+$ /var/lib/dpkg/status | \ sed s/Package:/\tPackage:/ | tr \\n \\t | sed s/\t\t/\n/g | \ grep install ok installed | \ sed s/Package: \(.*\)\tStatus: install ok installed/\1/ | sort Even easier, run dpkg --get-selections filename run dpkg --set-selections filename to get it back. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
downgrading libc6
Hi, I've inherited a Debian system that primarily uses the stable distribution and yet on which the previous manager must have upgraded libc6, libc6-dev and locales to, likely, the testing distribution as they are higher versions than available from stable. Now that it is in my hands, I'd prefer it use the versions current with the stable dist. From doing some research, I feel fairly confident that only the packages above where upgraded (using 'dpkg -l', going through 'dselect', looking through /var/lib/dpkg/available, etc) yet realize these are less than perfect checks and that I could easily be missing something. I'm tempted to downgrade with a: dpkg -i libc6_2.2.5-11.5_i386 libc6-dev_2.2.5-11.5_i386 locales_2.2.5-11.5_i386 I'm I asking for a lot of trouble Is there a safer more sure way to do this? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: verifying a Debian package
Ah, thanks so much! I wasn't aware of 'debsums'. Not having checked
it out yet, it sounds like what I am inquiring about. I'm installing
it now. I'm more interested in the corruption case than the hacker one
so I believe debsums is the answer. Thanks to both of you for imputs.
Paul
-In response to your message-
--received from Karsten M. Self--
on Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 04:20:40PM -0700, Paul Yeatman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hi, just curious if anyone knows how to verify a package with
Debian. This has proved to be useful with some Red Hat machines I
administer (rpm {-V|--verify} package name). Such a command will
check that all the files and their attributes are as expected for that
package. I've check the manual page for dpkg a few times but have
not come up with an equivalent command for Debian yet.
Debian packages aren't signed. There are authentication requirements
for uplaoding packages to distribution servers.
There are various reasons for this. Joey Hess is probably closest to
the authoritative source.
Many files within many debian packages _do_ have MD5 sums. The debsums
package allows you to validate installed files against an md5sum
database. Think through what it is you're trusting when you do this.
There's some interestign online discussion of this issue. See:
FROM: Anthony Towns
DATE: 04/04/2000 01:59:57
SUBJECT: Packages and Signatures, a summary
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/216/2000/4/1550/3549735/
Subject: Re: ITP: mini-dinstall -- daemon for updating Debian
packages in a repository
From: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:37:11 -0400
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200208/msg01172.html
Subject: Checking Signatures and Checksums
From: Aurelio Turco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 07:18:08 +
http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/user/2002/09/msg00339.html
There's also a debsig-verify package, which I just learned about
researching this question ;-)
This is a FAQ, but I'm not coming up with a definitive answer at the
Debian FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/
Peace.
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verifying a Debian package
Hi, just curious if anyone knows how to verify a package with
Debian. This has proved to be useful with some Red Hat machines I
administer (rpm {-V|--verify} package name). Such a command will
check that all the files and their attributes are as expected for that
package. I've check the manual page for dpkg a few times but have
not come up with an equivalent command for Debian yet.
Thanks,
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Re: Keyboard detection failure during installation of debian unstable.
It's been awhile since I've done a Debian install so I'm not sure what you mean by trying to detect the keyboard layout but I'd certainly give a generic keyboard choice, ie. 104 key keyboard, a try. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Harley Peters-- I am new to debian and have been trying to install the unstable version. But everytime i try i get the following error when trying to detect the keyboard layout. Segmentation fault kbd-chooser's postinst exited with the status 35584. There is nothing special about my keyboard and i also tried another keyboard (both PS2) with the same results. This doesn't happen with Woody but i would rather try the unstable Sid version. Motherboard = MSI k7t266 pro2 (Via kt266a chipset) Tried both a Microsoft and Acer keyboards. Harley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gv
Hi, there's been a strange and sudden decline in the capability of 'gv' in correctly displaying postscript files for the Debian computers I maintain here at my work. One of the Debian users here first complained of this to me a couple weeks ago. He claimed that a postscript file he had viewed many times previously with 'gv' would now not suddenly view correctly (it showed only a very small portion of the postscript). Being somewhat suspicious of his machine, I first tried viewing the problematic postscript file on my machine running the same stable version of Debian and in my shell environment. I got the same strange result. I have to admit that I was still skeptical of there being a problem with 'gv' thinking something must be wrong with his file although he claimed the same thing for several other postscript files he has. Knowing that 'gv' is just an interface for 'gs', I tried running 'gs' alone and it works fine. Well, today, I ran across a postscript file in my home dir that I have used across many different platforms and versions of 'gv' anytime I need a postscript file to test an application (it's a simple postscript level 1 file). Sure enough, 'gv' comes up blank even though 'gs' will show it normally. Summary: 'gv' is suddenly not viewing postscript files correctly on my Debian machines although it used to. I make regular security updates on all machines. Can the recent changes in kernel have anything to do with this or can anyone come up with a better guess? Thanks to anyone and all who read! Paul -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gv
Hi, -In response to your message- --received from JG-- Hi, Paul Yeatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Summary: 'gv' is suddenly not viewing postscript files correctly on my Debian machines although it used to. I make regular security updates on all machines. Can the recent changes in kernel have anything to do with this or can anyone come up with a better guess? Don't know if this is a recent change, but I find that certain files can not be seen using antialising mode. Turning off antialiasing (press a, or uncheck the option State-Antialias) shows the file correctly. Very cool. No idea what is going on here but your suggestion works like a charm. It appears you can unselect aliasing with a commandline argument or in (on my system) the system wide startup file, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/GV. Thanks so much for the tip, Jaume. Paul Hope this helps, Jaume -- Please answer to the group/list. Don't CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cannot clean filesystem
Hi, I've run into a completely unusual situation. I have a system on which I started getting complaints during nightly backups regarding the / partition. There is also a /usr partition and I've now noticed that both report not clean for filesystem state: with a 'tune2fs -l devicename'. Also using 'tune2fs' to set each partition to its maximum mount count, I have rebooted the system and forced fsck to be run on both partitions (actually I've repeated this at least once on the / partition alone). The fsck runs fine with no fixes or complaints for both partitions. Yet they continue to report not clean with a tune2fs listing and I still get backup errors complaining of a dirty file system in my backups. What might be going on here? Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel penguin logo?
Hi, I believe this is not established by the kernel but by the boot loader. I quickly looked over documentation for both lilo and grub and couldn't find info regarding this for either (this is made particularly difficult by the fact that each hit for a word search on image always referred to a kernel image, not a graphical image) . . . so I'm completely unable to substantiate my claim but I'm still fairly certain this is the case. That's my two cents, anyway. Best wishes seeing the lucky penguin each wonderful boot. Paul -In response to your message- --received from Joel Konkle-Parker-- How do I get a nice little penguin logo during kernel boot? Is that a kernel option that must be set at compile time? I noticed kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 has it, while kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 doesn't. -- Joel Konkle-Parker Webmaster [Ballsome.com] Phone [662-518-1636] E-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
creating .deb from .dsc and .tar.gz
Hi, due to the recent ssh security message, I'm in a new position as far as compiling and creating a debian package out of source code. Given the location of the source code on the security server, I don't see how I can list it as a deb-src in my sources.list file. I can however download the source code for ssh from the security server and the accompanying .dsc file. But then how do I use these to create the debian package? Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: creating .deb from .dsc and .tar.gz
Correction: How do I create a debian package out of the following? openssh_3.3p1-0.0woody1.diff.gz openssh_3.3p1.orig.tar.gz Or where is this described? Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: creating .deb from .dsc and .tar.gz
-In response to your message- --received from Colin Watson-- On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:12:43PM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: How do I create a debian package out of the following? openssh_3.3p1-0.0woody1.diff.gz openssh_3.3p1.orig.tar.gz Or where is this described? It's in the Debian FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.html#s-sourcebuild Ah, an FAQ no doubt. I thought I'd done more research than that. Much thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message is frozin
Hi, a want to quickly check the list here to see if anyone knows anything about the following. I came in today and had 4 or 5 messages with subject line Message frozen and contents as such: Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Message frozen Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:02:05 -0700 Message 17KGkP-0001AK-01 has been frozen. The sender is . The following address(es) have yet to be delivered: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown local-part deliver.pyeatman in +domain genesis.ucsd.edu When I check /var/log/exim/maillog, there are lots of Message is frozen messages from multiple message ID's. Each half hour, it complains about the same set of messages. For instance, if I grep for the message ID of the above message in the maillog, a new Message is frozen message is repeated each half hour: 2002-06-18 06:38:02 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 07:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 07:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 08:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 08:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 09:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 09:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 10:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 10:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen Anyone have any idea what is going on, what to do about it or how to stop it? Is it an attack? Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Message is frozin
A, thanks so much for the help. I had no idea what was going on. The commands as offered helped me get one of the messages delivered so that I could begin determining what was going on. I crossed-mounted my home directory from a Debian linux box to a Red Hat box. This home directory has a .forward which is an Exim filter file (used by Debian) but completely not understood by sendmail on the Red Hat box. Thus the problem. Thanks for the help! Paul On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 02:21:21PM -0400, Erik Mathisen wrote: I had this happen to me not too long ago. What was happening to me someone was sending email to my system to an alias that was not properly configured. What I did, a tail on the /var/log/exim/mainlog and found the message ID's that were frozen. I then ran a : exim -M message id message id . That causeed exim to try to deliver the messages again (in my case I fixed the alias, and it delivered a few messages then). I then waited for exim to run through its queue again (I think it set a 15 minutes on my system. Once it ran thru the queue again (you can use tail -f /var/log/exim/mainlog to watch it), I issued a : exim -Mrm message id for all of the messages left frozen in the queue. This cleared everything up, and I have not had any frozen messages since. I believe there is an option to mail the frozen files to a user, but I can not remember the command. Do a man exim if you are interested. I hope this helps, Erik -- Erik Mathisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://erik.mathisen.us I was walking down the street and all of a sudden the prescription for my eye-glasses ran out --Steven Wright On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:07:13AM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, a want to quickly check the list here to see if anyone knows anything about the following. I came in today and had 4 or 5 messages with subject line Message frozen and contents as such: Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Message frozen Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:02:05 -0700 Message 17KGkP-0001AK-01 has been frozen. The sender is . The following address(es) have yet to be delivered: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown local-part deliver.pyeatman in +domain genesis.ucsd.edu When I check /var/log/exim/maillog, there are lots of Message is frozen messages from multiple message ID's. Each half hour, it complains about the same set of messages. For instance, if I grep for the message ID of the above message in the maillog, a new Message is frozen message is repeated each half hour: 2002-06-18 06:38:02 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 07:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 07:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 08:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 08:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 09:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 09:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 10:08:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen 2002-06-18 10:38:01 17KGkP-0001AK-01 Message is frozen Anyone have any idea what is going on, what to do about it or how to stop it? Is it an attack? Thanks! -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dh_help
Thanks for the help. I like the 'auto-apt' solution although it appears to be only available for Woody. I can do a source build with apt-get, however, for my Potato builds. The problem with trying to find a particular command using the Debian web site package search is that the commands are not exhaustively listed in the package's description (naturally). Thanks, again, Paul -In response to your message- --received from Colin Watson-- On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:51:58PM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, excuse me, everyone. I read it too quickly. dh_dhelp is what is attempting to be executed and it is found in package dhelp. My question about the easiest way to find which package supplies a certain command still stands if anyone has input on this. Install auto-apt, then 'sudo auto-apt update' and 'auto-apt search filename'. (Alternatively, s/auto-apt/apt-file/g.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -In response to your message- --received from Andy Saxena-- On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:51:58PM -0700, Paul Yeatman wrote: Hi, excuse me, everyone. I read it too quickly. dh_dhelp is what is attempting to be executed and it is found in package dhelp. My question about the easiest way to find which package supplies a certain command still stands if anyone has input on this. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == If you have the package, which contains the command/file, installed, try $dpkg -S searchthisfile Otherwise, the debian website has a search facility to search through the contents of all packages. -Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dh_help
Hi, I'm trying to compile some source code using 'apt-get' and it nearly finishes before trying to execute dh_help which apparently I don't have installed on my system and can't seem to locate which Debian package supplies it. Any help with this? I couldn't find any help from the list archives going back a year. In general, is there a straightforward way to ever check which package supplies a single command? -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dh_help
Hi, excuse me, everyone. I read it too quickly. dh_dhelp is what is attempting to be executed and it is found in package dhelp. My question about the easiest way to find which package supplies a certain command still stands if anyone has input on this. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896[EMAIL PROTECTED] == ==Proudly brought to you by Mutt== == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mounting a RAID array
Hi, I recently installed a RAID controller on a pc and set up within the controller's BIOS an array out of two disks using RAID level 1. This all went well. Then I booted the system. The system sees the two drives I RAID'd as individual IDE drives. I'm completely new to RAID and am having problems find documentation to answer my questions. How do I mount the array (vs. either of the individual drives)? Sorry, this is a general linux question more than a Debian question but if anyone has a quick answer for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- Paul Yeatman (858) 534-9896 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emacs 20.3 registered but not installed
Hi, I get the following daily message: From root Tue Dec 11 07:41:11 2001 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:41:11 -0800 From: root (Anacron) To: root Subject: Anacron job 'cron.daily' /etc/cron.daily/suidmanager: suidregister: /usr/lib/emacs/20.3/i386-debian-linux-gnu/movemail registered but not installed Can anyone please inform me what to do about this (especially given that the current emacs version is 20.7 and installed). Thanks, Paul
