Re: Grandma uses Logitech Vid, how to chat with her with Debian?
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:02:29 -0500, S. Fishpaste in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:59:40 -0500, Celejar in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:52:06 + Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 10:40:14AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: SF == S Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid writes: SF Check out Google's Talk - It can do video. Google Talk video doesn't seem to have a Linux version. The protocol it uses is Jingle. I'm not sure if either one of Empathy, Pidgin or Kopete support video in it. In fact, I'm not sure how well they support audio in it. Last time I tried, Pidgin wasn't working very well: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/10697 Ah sorry guys for the wrong direction. Replying to my own post; Have new information. Since GChat doesn't work on Linux, looks like this new product will; They claim that no plugin is required. http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/02/08/social-os-pipio-dropped-beta-tag-friends/ Perhaps you and your Grandma can sign up -- FWIU it's free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Grandma uses Logitech Vid, how to chat with her with Debian?
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:59:40 -0500, Celejar in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:52:06 + Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 10:40:14AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: SF == S Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid writes: SF Check out Google's Talk - It can do video. Google Talk video doesn't seem to have a Linux version. The protocol it uses is Jingle. I'm not sure if either one of Empathy, Pidgin or Kopete support video in it. In fact, I'm not sure how well they support audio in it. Last time I tried, Pidgin wasn't working very well: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/10697 Ah sorry guys for the wrong direction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Grandma uses Logitech Vid, how to chat with her with Debian?
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:11:55 -0400, Antonio Perez in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Sirs, Grandma says: I have a 2-way camera installation on my computer, It's called Logitech Video. (It only cost $28.00 on sale, and John installed it for me) The software was down-loaded free. Apparently the software she installed was Logitech® Vid™. Alas, on http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/584/6164%26cl=us,en?section=downloadsWT.ac=os| 5788||vidDL there is no Linux version of Logitech® Vid™. I have a EEEPC 702 (with its UVC webcam that works fine with luvcview). What Debian package can I install in order to be able to video chat with my super-old grandma? Check out Google's Talk - It can do video. Also check out Pidgin; it has video capability via plugins. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: PCMCIA wifi card
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:41:24 -0500, Christopher Judd in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, I just received a used laptop (Toshiba Satellite 135-S125) from a colleague. I intend to install Debian on it, and I had a couple of questions. 1. Any problems running Debian on this laptop? Sorry can't tell you that; But I have installed Debian Sid on a Toshiba Satellite 1800 without any problem. 2. Any recommendations for a dependable pcmcia wireless card? I'm happy with my D-Link AirPlus G (DWL-G630) at around $30 Canadian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to configure Mutt to ask before downloading attachments
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:30:04 + (UTC), Camaleón in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:18:32 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:22:45PM EST, Camaleón wrote: This bug is ancient but sounds like what you are reporting: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/663 (...) I also posted the question to mutt-users mailing list but still no reply. Or mutt-dev.. asking for a status.. :-) And so I did a day ago. Still no response neither from mutt-user nor mutt-dev :-( Try comp.mail.mutt (I beleive that's the right address, search for mutt if it isn't). The newsgroup has been active. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to configure Mutt to ask before downloading attachments
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:54:33 +, Tom Furie in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 06:49:34PM -0500, S. Fishpaste wrote: I'm pretty sure it has, (been taken care of) as my mutt (Sid) only downloads the headers on IMAP and downloads the message only when I open it. What does it do about attachements, though? The OP wants to download the body, but not any attachments until he chooses to. sigh Damn, going from memory isn't the best is it? I forgot completely about the attachment aspect. My bad. Excuse the noise, please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to configure Mutt to ask before downloading attachments
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:18:32 -0500, Chris Jones in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:22:45PM EST, Camaleón wrote: Thanks much for the advice. That is exactly what I wanted to achieve, but if the bug is really unresolved... mmm, I'm stuck. I also posted the question to mutt-users mailing list but still no reply. Or mutt-dev.. asking for a status.. :-) I'm not familiar with their bug tracking system, but I'm surprised this hasn't been take care of some way or other. Sounds like a legitimate request in the context of IMAP. I'm pretty sure it has, (been taken care of) as my mutt (Sid) only downloads the headers on IMAP and downloads the message only when I open it. Mutt 1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Copyright (C) 1996-2009 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.6.32-trunk-686 (i686) ncurses: ncurses 5.7.20090803 (compiled with 5.7) libidn: 1.15 (compiled with 1.15) hcache backend: GDBM version 1.8.3. 10/15/2002 (built Nov 21 2009 11:02:22) Compile options: -DOMAIN +DEBUG -HOMESPOOL +USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK +USE_POP +USE_IMAP +USE_SMTP -USE_SSL_OPENSSL +USE_SSL_GNUTLS +USE_SASL +USE_GSS +HAVE_GETADDRINFO +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_PGP +CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_SMIME +CRYPT_BACKEND_GPGME -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +COMPRESSED +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_LIBIDN +HAVE_GETSID +USE_HCACHE -ISPELL SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/mail PKGDATADIR=/usr/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh MIXMASTER=mixmaster To contact the developers, please mail to mutt-...@mutt.org. To report a bug, please visit http://bugs.mutt.org/. patch-1.5.13.cd.ifdef.2 exit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Gammu|Wammu with Motorola RZR V3
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:36:47 + (UTC), Camaleón in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:42:50 -0500, S. Fishpaste wrote: I'm attempting to get Gammu to read my Razor via USB data cable. The phone is mounted; I can see this by issuing 'lsusb | grep Motorola' which returns; Bus 001 Device 003: ID 22b8:4902 Motorola PCS Triplet GSM Phone (AT) My question is how do I get Wammu to see it. I used the manual config wizard as well as the guided one to no avail. It seems it expects a device listing in the form of; '/dev/ttyS0' which isn't applicable it seems anymore. Hopefully there are some folks around that have some experience with this software and can help me. I tested it once with my Motorola K1 and that time was detected under / dev/ttyACM0. The phone can be configured to act (to be detected) as usb flash drive or data connection (modem). To use it with wammu it has to be configured as the latter. Just plug the phone into usb port and type dmesg in a terminal (gnom- terminal, xterm...) to see what is going on. Dunno why I didn't think of dmesg myself; but you were right. The dev is listed at '/dev/ttyACMO'. It turned out to be a permission issue; although one would think the post-installation script might have configured it properly? Anyway I chowned it to the proper user group and voila it worked. Thanks to both of you for responding. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Gammu|Wammu with Motorola RZR V3
Greetings; I'm attempting to get Gammu to read my Razor via USB data cable. The phone is mounted; I can see this by issuing 'lsusb | grep Motorola' which returns; Bus 001 Device 003: ID 22b8:4902 Motorola PCS Triplet GSM Phone (AT) My question is how do I get Wammu to see it. I used the manual config wizard as well as the guided one to no avail. It seems it expects a device listing in the form of; '/dev/ttyS0' which isn't applicable it seems anymore. Hopefully there are some folks around that have some experience with this software and can help me. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Sound problem
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:57:48 +0100, Peter Ulrich Kruppa in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 18:37 -0500 schrieb S. Fishpaste: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:32:09 +0100 (CET), Peter Ulrich Kruppa in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Stephen Powell wrote: Have you checked the volume levels in the mixer application (e.g. alsamixer)? That's the first thing I would check. I use GNOME, not KDE, and have no experience with KDE; so if it's a KDE-related problem, I can't be of much help. I installed Lenny on an old laptop too (an IBM ThinkPad 600), and here's a link to my web page that shows how I got sound working (as well as a bunch of other stuff). I realize that you are using a different sound chip, but you may be able to glean some tidbits that are useful in your situation. http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm Thanks a lot, but that doesn't seem to help :-( As root run 'alsaconf' and follow the prompts. See if that helps. No good at all, now even KDE's startup tunes don't work anymore and /dev/audio ist gone :-( Did ALSA throw any errors when running alsaconf? What does your the log entries show at that time? Have you checked the mixer settings to ensure that volume isn't simply muted? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Sound problem
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:32:09 +0100 (CET), Peter Ulrich Kruppa in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Stephen Powell wrote: Have you checked the volume levels in the mixer application (e.g. alsamixer)? That's the first thing I would check. I use GNOME, not KDE, and have no experience with KDE; so if it's a KDE-related problem, I can't be of much help. I installed Lenny on an old laptop too (an IBM ThinkPad 600), and here's a link to my web page that shows how I got sound working (as well as a bunch of other stuff). I realize that you are using a different sound chip, but you may be able to glean some tidbits that are useful in your situation. http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm Thanks a lot, but that doesn't seem to help :-( As root run 'alsaconf' and follow the prompts. See if that helps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600, sys49...@hushmail.com in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? I use aptitude due to the fact that I received advice on this very list to use it as the preferred package manager several years ago. Supposedly it's better at resolving dependencies than apt-get. It works similarly from the console/term as apt-get. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unstable Update Caused Issue?
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:43:34 +0530, Hrishikesh Murali in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --000e0cd157eede9278047a580781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM, S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: Upon restart this morning the system doesn't accept either my root or user credentials. Any suggestions on fixing this? Thanks! Well, during boot up, in the grub menu : 1) Press 'e' in either of the options. 2) Go to the kernel menu item and again press 'e'. 3) Press 'end' and then remove 'ro single' or 'ro quiet splash' depending on the menu item you selected, and type 'rw init=/bin/bash'. 4) Now, press 'b' and let it boot. You will get a root shell. Now, type 'passwd' and change the password. These steps are clearly available if you go to google and type 'reset debian root password'. No offense, but next time please check upon the topic on the internet or atleast google and then ask a question in the mailing list. Yes I did and usually do; For some reason I was unable to find the correct query phrase (usually happens when one is in a panic lol) hence no useable results, unfortunately. 8-) I thank-you very much for your accurate answer, kind sir! Now I wonder if I was the only one hit with this occurence, after updating unstable recently ... -- Regards, S. Fishpaste -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Unstable Update Caused Issue?
Howdy; Running Debian Unstable; Updated my PC laptop last night before retiring, shut it down; Upon restart this morning the system doesn't accept either my root or user credentials. Any suggestions on fixing this? Thanks! -- Regards, S. Fishpaste -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Calendar/ reminder wanted - recommendations
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:09:22 +0200, Johann Spies in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:29:19AM +, Lisi wrote: Evolution is the best I've found so far. Bonus if you're using Google Calendar, as it interfaces nicely with it. One doesn't need to have Evolution running in order to be reminded of tasks/appts. It is a pity that Evolution does not have the ability to sync using caldav. I can do that on icedove using the server from the Chandler project as backend. Your attribution is wrong. ;-D Haven't used CALDAV in Evolution. If it doesn't sync what's it used for then? Sorry not being obtuse, a genuine question. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Calendar/ reminder wanted - recommendations
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:00:39 +0200, Johann Spies in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 07:35:00AM -0500, S. Fishpaste wrote: It is a pity that Evolution does not have the ability to sync using caldav. I can do that on icedove using the server from the Chandler project as backend. Your attribution is wrong. ;-D What is wrong about it? Haven't used CALDAV in Evolution. If it doesn't sync what's it used for then? Sorry not being obtuse, a genuine question. Please read the results of http://www.google.com/search?q=evolution+caldavie=utf-8 I took a look at 2 of the top URIs on that search page. They both were old bugs circa 2007. And a 3rd link had a write-up on how to get it working with a CalDEV server. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Chat Client
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:25:10 +0800, Niu Kun in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Roman Gelfand wrote: I am looking for a good web xmpp client that would is able to make server to server connection on port 5222. Would anyone know of such software? Thanks in advance Pidgin may be the most famous one. +1 Great client. Can use for Facebook,Yahoo,MSN GTalk in one session. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is Squeeze right for me? [Possible FAQ?]
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:29:51 +0200, Andrei Popescu in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sun,22.Nov.09, 19:01:38, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: =20 Herewith a couple of quick answers: if need be, can we work up an FAQ=20 Something like http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser ? ;) list to be posted here once a month or so in the same way that some very= long-established Usenet lists post multi-part FAQs? I doubt posting it here regularly will help, because people asking these=20 questions are usually not searching the archives or the web. Maybe putting a link in the footer appended by the list would have more=20 effect? Why not both? Isn't the point that if not read here at least it will show up on the search engines? More is better might be appropiate here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is Squeeze right for me? [Possible FAQ?]
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:01:38 +, Andrew M.A. Cater in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: This question is a Frequently Asked Question [FAQ] - answered elsewhere in places like the Debian Wiki - but something which comes up fairly regularly on this list. Thanks for your work; I've saved it to refer to. It helps and probably is a good idea to post this monthly. Someone mentioned the sheer volume of information that is often available to the Debian user. I can see how it's intimidating and confusing to the casual user as it is to even those of us that consider themselves perhaps a little more experienced but still learning non-the-less. So I guess with my blabbering what I'm trying to say is; It' nice to have short, concise information available in certain situations. 8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Custom Label Software
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:54:44 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --nextPart2035970.ymaEZfMocb Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to get some suggestions about what software is best for making cus= tom=20 labels. Well, not actually making labels, but inserts. Currently, I'm mak= ing=20 Haven't used it, but is glabels too simplistic for your needs? Description: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME gLabels is a lightweight program for creating labels, barcodes, business cards and media covers for the GNOME desktop environment. It is designed to work with various laser/ink-jet peel-off label and business card sheets that you'll find at most office supply stores. gLabels also supports mail merge from sources such as CSV files, vCards and Evolution data servers. Author: Jim Evins ev...@snaught.com Homepage: http://glabels.sourceforge.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Calendar/ reminder wanted - recommendations
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:19:36 +, AG in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: [ ...] Hmmm ... plus all of the additional overhead of a MS Outlook clone. I reckon that I'll stick with Orage thanks. Yeah, but that's not a bad thing necessarily, M$ Outlook is really the gold standard for calendaring/organizing. Let's give credit where it's due; I'm no M$FT apologist but it does, do *some* things quite well. I use XFce, and personally didn't care for Orage, but understand your point of the overhead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Window Maker
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:14 -0500, Allen in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Please excuse the additonal followup, but after posting I found this webpage which looks quite good; http://www.cs.mun.ca/~gstarkes/wmaker/themes/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:15:54 +0100, Javier Barroso in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: I think that a webapp can do the hard work of recollect all the data from people that doesn't dislike webapps and then a poor human can translate from email replies to the database and get stats from both. I don't like the mail chains ... :) and don't like to webapps ... so it would be useful to have a cli interface to such task ! :) Me neither. I didn't participate because there wasn't a web based app. It's not like there isn't any FOSS web based poll software available ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Window Maker
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:14 -0500, Allen in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, Am I the only one wondering where Window Maker's Themes went? If you google it, you're taken to a place on Freshmeat, which doesn't seem to have ANY Window Maker Themes. And if you try the Window Maker page, you are given the same link to nothing that you're looking for. I like Window Maker, and I like how many nice themes it had, The problem is that way back years ago when you could actually find the themes for it I never thought to save all of them on a disk or something so I could still use them! First hit on Google for me; http://wmthemes.jessanderson.org/ I didn't try to download any but they look like active URIs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Inquiry:What is the equivalent for the screen command?
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:31:20 -0600, John Hasler in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: AndyC writes: Please think seriously about upgrading this to at least Debian 4.0 However, don't skip major releases when upgrading. Go from Sarge to Etch to Lenny. Don't try to go directly to Lenny. Exactly, I learned this lesson the difficult way. LOL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:21:00 +, Avi Greenbury in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: S. Fishpaste wrote: Me neither. I didn't participate because there wasn't a web based app. It's not like there isn't any FOSS web based poll software available ... Out of interest, why? This seems to me like odd grounds on which to not participate. I don't post/read this list with e-mail software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Calendar/ reminder wanted - recommendations
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:27:35 +, AG in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: I used to use korganizer, but for whatever reason it no longer minimises to my notification area in Gnome, and when it does I cannot click it to open it to add new reminders. I want to have a reminder that can run in the background when I don't need it and minimises to the notification area (system tray?) in Gnome (the area near the clock on a default lay out), and when an appointment is due it pops up with a reminder. There are any number of calendars, etc., but I haven't been able to find something that I am looking for (such as something similar to korganizer). Can anyone make a recommendation please? I am running Testing. Evolution is the best I've found so far. Bonus if you're using Google Calendar, as it interfaces nicely with it. One doesn't need to have Evolution running in order to be reminded of tasks/appts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Old machine bsd vs. linux
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:51:04 -0500, Chris Jones in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: snip Does performance degrade over time? If you implement one of the slimmer desktops and turn off unnecessary bells and whistles in your applications, I can't see any good reason why a recent version of debian/linux could not provide a decent interactive experience on your hardware. Agreed. I'm using Sid on a Toshiba P3 550 Coppermine, with xfce as the GUI and 300+ Ram. Runs fine even with Firefox 3.5.x, which admittedly is a little slow to start; but once running, browsing is fine. Chrome starts up much faster. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: A laptop installation challenge
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:41:44 +, AG in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On a previous thread, I had polled some advice on the best way to install Debian on an old laptop that lacked a CD drive. A number of suggestions were made and I eventually went with the idea of changing the pre-existing /boot/lilo.conf and adding a newly downloaded vmlinuz and init.gz Then I copied a netinst *.iso image onto a USB stick and booted. All went well, and I was able to install a new Debian system. However, when I went to reboot into the system I received the EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage message. Googling this message throws back a number of suggested solutions which break down into one of two choices - changing the lilo.conf file (difficult since I cannot get into the lilo.conf due to the system having been locked at boot up) and using a rescue CD (difficult because it has no CD drive to work with). I cannot ssh into the laptop because it hasn't booted and so I am left with a laptop that cannot boot, cannot use a CD disk to boot and which is fundamentally useless. Can anyone suggest a way that I can get this thing to boot given the significant constraints described or has this now been reduced to a hunk of plastic for use as a doorstop? Does it have a floppy drive? If so, Etch should have some floppy install/rescue images. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Floppy Net Install Stable
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:58:54 -0500, Stan Hoeppner in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: S. Fishpaste put forth on 10/29/2009 3:41 PM: Does this default to installing Etch, and does one get a choice to switch the distro sources list before it's written to disk during the install? I don't remember ... I'm pretty sure all the boot floppy installs point to the stable directories on the mirrors. Lenny is the current stable, so you should end up with a Lenny system regardless of using Sarge or Etch net install floppies. It installed Etch unfortunately. Maybe the expert install allows one to select the various distro mirrors? Anyway now I'm running into circular dependency issues going from Etch -- Sid but that's covered in a separate post. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Floppy Net Install Stable
Hi; I'm attempting to install Debian Stable on an older desktop machine that doesn't support booting from an USB stick or CD. Therefore I'm looking for Debian net install floppy images. Damned if I can find any as everything I've found assumes one wants to use a USB stick or minimal CD image. Anyone know where I can find a floppy image for Debian net install? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Non-computer, quality text mailing lists ala Debian?
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:23:27 -0700, John Magolske in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: * Nick Lidakis nlida...@verizon.net [091025 20:15]: Are there quality text mailing lists for non-computer related topics? Do web forums dominate the internet landscape? If one is tired of asinine graphics and animated avitars, where do you find good lists? Recently I came across FreeLists. Haven't used any of their services, so can't say much beyond what's on their website: FreeLists provides free mailing list hosting to groups whose topics are related to technology, computers, communications, medicine, astronomy, etc. We provide a free service to help you keep in touch with your friends, customers, co-workers, research partners, and more. - http://www.freelists.org/ Looks interesting...somewhat computer-centric, but not entirely. As we know nothing is free; I'd be concerned about them harvesting e-mail addresses. They might not but how do they pay for bandwidth otherwise. I haven't visited the site so YMMV. Call me skeptic; That's OK. ;-D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re (4): Video on Demand, VoD
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:32:21 -0700, peasth...@shaw.ca in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:13:02 -0700 The plugin in the screenshot is totem-mozilla. I've removed VLC and installed Totem and now the VCR control panel appears. Progress. Thanks. This should warrant a bug report against Debian VLC. Not sure about that as I'm running Totem and VLC together without any issue (I'm the one that showed you the screen-shot with the controls). New problem: for about a week now in Squeeze, the VoD screen opens but there is no movie. The VCR panel reports Stopped 0:00/0:00 and the VoD panel reports Transferring data from www.learner.org Either I've removed a non-obvious package or something has become broken recently. Totem.man doesn't mention a log where a more specific error message might appear and I haven't had time to dig deeper into documentation. Hm I would look in '/var/log' and check the error log and some of the other logs; Grepping them for any instance of Totem might be faster. Will someone with a current Squeeze and Totem please try this movie. http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html?pop=yespid=615 I'd like to but the stream is too slow; Might be the time of day? Anyway I played the same stream before and showed you my screen-shot. I had VLC and Totem both installed then as I do know. Thanks, ... Peter E. You're quite welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: deadkeys with openoffice
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:32:16 -0400, Tony Baldwin in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: green wrote: Please reply to the list! doh...I hate this list sometimes. Why can't it function normally, like every other list on the gods' green earth? Grab the extension 'reply to list' or upgrade to Thunderbird 3.x which has the 'reply to list' built in natively. The list functions properly; Most mass market e-mail clients don't handle e-mail listserves properly thanks to MSFT leading the way in that regard. Also PLEASE take the time and trim your posts! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ffmpeg, h.264, and mpeg2video
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:22:14 -0500, lrhorer in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Have you tried getting packages from http://www.debian-multimedia.org/? On your advice, I just tried there. There are a ton of unmet dependencies, many of which I can't find at all. For example, the ffmpeg .deb package on the site depends on libavcodec52 (and about a dozen others) which is not loaded. When I try to load libavcodec52, it depends on libdirac-encoder0, which does not seem to be on the site, and indeed which I cannot find on any of the Debian distro sites I know. It's not the only one, by a long shot. Add Debian Multimedia to your sources list, rather than trying to install each *.deb manually. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Floppy Net Install Stable
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:14:00 -0400, Jaime Di Cristina in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: S. Fishpaste wrote: snip Anyone know where I can find a floppy image for Debian net install? There is no floppy images for Lenny, because they would not fit. Use the etch floppy images instead. Overlooked the obvious, guess I didn't have my thinking cap with me today. Installing now. Thanks Jaime! Does this default to installing Etch, and does one get a choice to switch the distro sources list before it's written to disk during the install? I don't remember ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: google chrome extensions
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:23:47 +0200, David Baron in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: I got the extensions at the link suggested! Get listed by chrome://extensions, not about://... Correct. I don't think I said otherwise though. LOL They work. Of course, is this whole thing contra to the whole idea behind chrome as a minimalist browser? Want bloat, get firefox? Chrome is minimalist in UI, not sold as being minimalist in resources. As anyone in web development knows; AJAXey websites suck up the resources, client side. That said webkit, runs quicker and uses less resources than Gecko/XUL based browsers like Firefox. I guess I will try some of these. Keep a few that are, indeed useful :-) Some are quite useful; especially if one is into any of the social type of networking sites. Chrome's use of extensions is considerably safer than the way Firefox handles them. That's supposed to be one of Chrome's strong points; make the web safer to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: google chrome extensions
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:30:57 -0400, Bogdan in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hey, Has anyone managed to get the extensions going for the latest chromium build ( 4.0.223.11)? They seem to install fine but they do not work, and also, are not getting listed when about://extensions/. I'm running Debian Unstable/KDE 4.3 I'm running the same version; What extensions are you having the problem with? I have XMarks, ADBLOCK+, FlashBlock and GMail default client working OK. Some extensions haven't been updated; Maybe that's the problem? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: google chrome extensions
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:08:55 +0200, David Baron in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 20:23:54 debian-user-digest- requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: Hey, Has anyone managed to get the extensions going for the latest chromium build ( 4.0.223.11)? They seem to install fine but they do not work, and also, are not getting listed when about://extensions/. I'm running Debian Unstable/KDE 4.3 I'm running the same version; What extensions are you having the problem with? I have XMarks, ADBLOCK+, FlashBlock and GMail default client working OK. Some extensions haven't been updated; Maybe that's the problem? Where does one install these extensions? Popups block messages do appear, but about://extensions simply talks about chrome, chromium, firefox, safari, etc. Yeah they're not publicized much because they're still a work in progress. There are several un-official sources but I only feel comfortable with the ones on Google's servers; http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-extensions/web/google-chrome-extensions-bookmarklets-userscripts-compilation And for official Themes; https://tools.google.com/chrome/intl/en/themes/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: google chrome extensions
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:08:55 +0200, David Baron in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: [ ...] Where does one install these extensions? Popups block messages do appear, but about://extensions simply talks about chrome, chromium, firefox, safari, etc. A little too hasty in my previous response to you. I think you're talking about how to install them rather then where to get them? The newer developer releases use *.crx files. Chrome should recognize them as such and offer to install them for you. Is that not working for you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian on board with intel X4500 chip
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:43:07 +0800, Kaicheng Zhang in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, Did any one try install debian lenny on a mother board with X4500 graphic chip? I have a gigabyte GA-EG41M mother board with such chip. And I failed to install debian with Gnome. I cannot start up the installation with GUI and only can proceed in text mode. When the install finished, I can only get into the text login too. I searched for it and it seems for the wrong driver debian select. Now the computer is using ubuntu 9.04 which can recognize this stuff. But I still want it running debian. Any advice? Thx! Hi Kaicheng; Don't know the answer to your query but Google has quite a few hits surrounding this Graphic CPU see; http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=Debian+install+X4500+Graphic HTH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] List policy - [Was: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?]
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:10:40 -0700, Consultores in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: El lun, 12-10-2009 a las 07:28 -0500, green escribió: Paul E Condon wrote at 2009-10-11 22:27 -0500: I think your position is analogous to that of an American tourist in Paris who gets all bent out of shape because everyone is talking in French and pretending to understand each other. ;-) Great analogy! Except by American, in Quebec, people speak French! : ) Absolutely, I should know living in the captial of Upper Canada. ;-D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: see ya
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:40:20 +0100, Liviu Andronic in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 10/11/09, deb...@waysoft.com deb...@waysoft.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:59:52 -0400 JoeHill joeh...@teksavvy.com wrote: I've been on here a year, and I've gotten *decent* help from exactly infantile name-calling flame fests I find in most Linux-related Regarding the latter, I don't think you want to check the mplayer: jumping around thread. Joe doesn't seem familiar with decency. Liviu He's a twit. Know him from TLUG. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] List policy - [Was: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?]
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:28:58 -0500, green in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --dXvu6+ixFx2ZffE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Paul E Condon wrote at 2009-10-11 22:27 -0500: I think your position is analogous to that of an American tourist in Paris who gets all bent out of shape because everyone is talking in French and pretending to understand each other. ;-) Great analogy! Indeed, made me nod my head in agreement. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: see ya
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:59:52 -0400, JoeHill in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: When half the list can't figure out how to use a goddamned e-mail client, and so insists on sending out double the number of e-mails just because they feel like it; when the other half seems to mostly enjoy posting links to LMGTFY so they feel like a big shot; when most of the answers have absolutely nothing to do with what was asked, but are instead what the person replying thinks _should_ be the question, it's really time to go. I've been on here a year, and I've gotten decent help from exactly _one_ person, and that was Florian, IIANM. Otherwise, this list just takes up space. Ah go back to TLUG you frickin twit. You were an arsehole there and are one here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Sound - handmade how?
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:10:56 -0700, Kelly Clowers in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Kelly, just wanted to say great write-up. Everything I wanted to know about Linux Audio, was succinctly covered! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Video on Demand, VoD
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:46:12 -0700, peasth...@shaw.ca in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: I've opened VoD streams on this page with two systems running up-to-date Squeeze and with Windows XP. http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html?pop=yespid=615 Applications including Skype and VLC work mostly as expected in both Squeezes. You mean they work good? Win XP provides a simulated VCR control panel at the bottom of the VoD video panel yet the control panel has never appeared in Squeeze. You mean like this? http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/ILSD92OavaYRqlD4CM7Ebw?feat=directlink BTW great resource the introduction video was excellent. Anyway back to the subject @ hand; Played smooth for me and I had a limited control panel at the bottom (don't know if that qualifies for what you wanted). This was in Google Chrome 4.x branch (past Friday's release). Not sure what plugins were involved if any. Might have used HTML Video? Is the control panel beyond the capabilities of Squeeze at this time? Is an additional package needed? Does a configuration parameter need adjustment? This was on Unstable BTW. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Gmail again
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:27:05 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Vinicius Massuchetto wrote: Another thing that really piss me off is when I want to reply a message to the list. Pressing `R` or clicking on `Reply` places the author of the current email on the `To:` field, not the list address. Let me know if anyone had a workaround for this in GMail. I've never found a solution (and I don't use Gmail anymore), but it has now occurred to me that a Greasemonkey might be able to add a Reply to list function. Try searching at www.userscripts.org . If there isn't one, perhaps an experienced JavaScript programmer could create one. Reply-To-List is built into Thunderbird now isn't it? I thought there had been some action on this front from the T-Bird developers. I had been watching this on Bugzilla. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Gmail again
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:42:30 +0300, Jari Fredriksson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Does not help the OP though, unless he reads the GMail with fetchmail into own machine. Well; There is a GMail IMAP option the OP could use with an external client. Far superior in my mind then pop3. Using mutt there is a reply-to list option. If one's e-mail client doesn't have it then perhaps one might want to use NNTP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Alternative to korganizer for gnome?
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:49:33 -0400, Tony Baldwin in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Claude Biver wrote: Hi AG, you may want to try Iceowl. Evolution would be the default calendar app thingy for gnome, to my knowledge. I just use google calendar and gcalcli, now. (iceowl, afaik, does not support the provider extension to get it to work with google calendar...at least, not the iceowl in the lenny repos. On previous ubu installs, I have used tbird with the provider ext. and synched it w/ my google cal. I'm not sure if evo works with a google cal...then again, you didn't ask about google cal, anyway.) Yes Evolution (at least in Testing/Unstable) works with Google web services. There's a menu for Google when setting up e-mail/calendar. That alone is was the clincher for me to switch to it from Outlook 2007. I'm quite impressed with Evolution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Suggestions for video/tv capture?
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:31:41 -0500, Dennis Wicks in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: snip Well, top-posted or bottom-posted doesn't make any difference. There don't seem to be any of these cards available at any of the usual places. Anybody have any other suggestions? Try Craigslist and the usual auction sites. I've seen capture cards listed from time to time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [Solved - kinda] XFce4 vs GNOME Desktop
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:06:31 +0200, Nyizsnyik Ferenc in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:32:36 -0400 S.D.A. marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:40:45PM +0100, Liviu Andronic uttered: Hello On 9/26/09, S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: But when I start up or switch to XFce4, I'm left without a desktop, just the application dock on a coloured background, which I can't seem to change. First, which version of Xfce are you using? If it's recent (4.6), look for Desktop settings and find the Icons tab. If it's 4.4 (older), it had a strange name, similar to desktop behaviour. Liviu Sorry had a brain fart, should have posted the relevant info earlier. Xfce 4 Desktop Environment version 4.6.1 (Xfce 4.6) Debian Unstable I don't understand why you want me to look for icons though. :) I have a desktop folder already and I can navigate to it via Thunar. So it seems to me that it's an issue of XFce starting up in the wrong directory. I'm not running Nautilas (It was installed previously and Xfce displayed the desktop IF I ran Nautilas). Nautilas was too heavy so I removed it. I would like the desktop back though as I found it handy to have shortcuts on it. snip Make sure that xfdesktop (or xfdesktop4) is running. Thanks for responding. While waiting, I did what is a workaround rather than fixing the problem, but I had other things to do. 8-) I enabled the 'selection' menu whenever one starts up Xfce4. The first time run I asked it to setup up a new Xfce session. This new session opened to my eye candy wallpaper and shortcuts I had created under Gnome. Next time I start Xorg I'll use the older session to check your suggestion out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: XFce4 vs GNOME Desktop
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:40:42 +0200, Micha Feigin in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:58:38 -0400 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: Hi All; I have a strange issue. When I run Gnome I have a nice desktop with my trash icon etc., on the desktop. Gnome is too heavy for my resource limited laptop so I much prefer to use a lighter window manager. But when I start up or switch to XFce4, I'm left without a desktop, just the application dock on a coloured background, which I can't seem to change. How do I get XFce to start-up with the desktop showing when the user logs in? The XFce settings panel has a configuration option, however when I use a desktop picture or change icons nothing shows. I'm thinking that XFce isn't starting up in the right directory, but I'm at a loss on how to change that. Any suggestions? Thanks. Check if you are running Thunar (the desktop/filesystem manager) Yes Thunar was always running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
XFce4 vs GNOME Desktop
Hi All; I have a strange issue. When I run Gnome I have a nice desktop with my trash icon etc., on the desktop. Gnome is too heavy for my resource limited laptop so I much prefer to use a lighter window manager. But when I start up or switch to XFce4, I'm left without a desktop, just the application dock on a coloured background, which I can't seem to change. How do I get XFce to start-up with the desktop showing when the user logs in? The XFce settings panel has a configuration option, however when I use a desktop picture or change icons nothing shows. I'm thinking that XFce isn't starting up in the right directory, but I'm at a loss on how to change that. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is there a truly offline feed reader?
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:43:20 +0200, Leonardo Canducci in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: 2009/9/11 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:25:49 +0200, Leonardo Canducci in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Liferea is not, at least when a feed shows only a few lines and links to the true article, and so other popular readers. AFAIK Straw was the only one truly offline reader but it's broken (in sid). Even google reader + gears can't fetch articles linked from a feed like that: http://osnews.com/story/22145/Linux_2_6_31_Released which has only a small part/abstract of the article. In such case you have to be online to read the full article even when all feeds are synced/refreshed. Am I missing something or there is no such software? Leafnode + (perferred newsreader) or slrnpull + slrn Isn't that NNTP stuff? I'm looking for an RSS feed reader. Yeah I guess being tired is my excuse; for some reason I keyed in on feed in the subject and completely missed your reference to GReader. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is there a truly offline feed reader?
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:25:49 +0200, Leonardo Canducci in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Liferea is not, at least when a feed shows only a few lines and links to the true article, and so other popular readers. AFAIK Straw was the only one truly offline reader but it's broken (in sid). Even google reader + gears can't fetch articles linked from a feed like that: http://osnews.com/story/22145/Linux_2_6_31_Released which has only a small part/abstract of the article. In such case you have to be online to read the full article even when all feeds are synced/refreshed. Am I missing something or there is no such software? Leafnode + (perferred newsreader) or slrnpull + slrn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: apache on debian
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 18:21:36 -0400, Rick Pasotto in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 03:54:52PM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:57:10 -0400, Rick Pasotto in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Where is the best place for me to ask questions about running apache on my debian system? For the most part everything is working fine but there are a few anomolies I'd like to get cleared up. Probably here. What's the issue(s) ? I thought I had but evidently I hit 'r' instead of 'L' so it didn't go to the list. There are three but maybe two of them are related. 1) Recently I've started to get a lot of this error: ALERT - canary mismatch on efree() - heap overflow detected (attacker Can't help you as I have no knowledge of that error. However Google has some results. You did look there right ?! http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=Apache+User:+ALERT+-+canary+mismatch+on+efree()+-+heap+overflow+detected -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Laptop getting so warm : (
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:52:16 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-09-06 19:27, Hashimoto wrote: [snip] Now my laptop is working around 48C, but I was forced to closed the several tabs opened. Using just one or just some few ones. I believe the problem is not the java/flash, the firefox doesn't work very well with many tabs. At least now it's in a good temperature. That's just *not* true. Find a site with static pages (even if there are lots of pictures) and open a hundred tabs. Once they're all open, Iceweasel's CPU usage will drop back down to 0. It's the animated junk that drives up CPU usage, and thus temperature. Yup. More so since recent Flash players are engineered to use the PC CPU extensively. Not as true in the recent past. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: apache on debian
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:57:10 -0400, Rick Pasotto in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Where is the best place for me to ask questions about running apache on my debian system? For the most part everything is working fine but there are a few anomolies I'd like to get cleared up. Probably here. What's the issue(s) ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny annoyance
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 07:25:48 -0500, David in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Ever since I upgraded from Etch to Lenny, I've been having problems. My PC is a Toshiba Satellite 1805-S274 with a Netgear PCMCIA wifi card (Atheros chipset). I'm using a stock kernel (2.6.26-2-686). My desktop is Xfce, although I've tried Gnome and KDE as well. On a regular basis, my system hangs for a few seconds. During this period, I can move the mouse pointer but that is all. It does not respond to any mouse clicks. Also, during this time the CPU load goes to zero (according to the System Load Monitor on the panel) and the Network load pulses about once a second. After a few seconds, the problem clears and everything goes back to normal. Also, when I open Skype, the network connection crashes immediately, every time. Pretty vague; what are the specs ? How much ram/swap etc. ? I have that happen every once and awhile on my Toshiba 1800 with 128 mb of ram; but that's expected when running a web browser on Xorg with such little ram. I'm going to upgrade once I can find some for my model. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:03:26 +, Tzafrir Cohen in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:42:11AM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote: Right. I'm aware of Picassa. What I'm looking for is a Gnome tool to do what recent distros of Windoze do out of the box. I'm attempting to sell Linux on the desktop to someone from the Windows world. Tools like this are needed if people are ever going to be convinced of GNU/Linux use on the desktop. I recently set up a system for someone that has a GNOME desktop but I still decided to use digikam there for managing pictures. Works well. Thanks for the input Tzafrir. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installed list of Apps
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:03:30 +0200, Oumar Niane in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:42:26PM -0400, Tim Tebbit wrote : Yeah that's it.. from the current install.. # dpkg --get-selections list.txt bring that file with you... new install.. # dpkg --set-selections list.txt # aptitude install With this method, you loose the flag for packages that were automatically installed. You can refer to my previous message for a another method that keeps those flags. Hope it helps It does indeed Oumar. I had saved your earlier message and had intended to thank-you after reading the entire thread. I've been away for a few days, hence my late response. :) Thanks for the help ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installed list of Apps
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:47:43 -0400, Tim Tebbit in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Tim Tebbit wrote: Yeah that's it.. from the current install.. # dpkg --get-selections list.txt bring that file with you... new install.. # dpkg --set-selections list.txt # aptitude install I forgot to add you need to make sure your sources.list match on both machines. If say you use debian-multimedia or perhaps virtualbox. Wouldn't hurt to bring that file with you as well. Of course. ;) Thanks very much for your assistance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thread hijacking (was: Install gcc)
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:33:57 -0500 (CDT), David Young in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Fri, August 28, 2009 9:14 am, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2009-08-28 16:07 +0200, David Young wrote: On Fri, August 28, 2009 8:52 am, Sven Joachim wrote: And please refrain from hijacking threads in the future. When you have a problem not already discussed here, write a new message instead of replying to an unrelated one. I appreciate your reply, but I don't believe I hijacked a thread. Install gcc is my original subject line that started the thread, yes? No, look at the References header in your message¹. When starting a new thread, this header does not exist, because there are no messages you are referring to. Hitting Reply all (or whatever you did) and changing subject does *not* start a new thread. I'm clearly too ill-informed to be here. Apologies for the intrusion. Don't be like that. You hijacked my thread by not starting a new message with a new subject. Rookie mistake; we've all done it. No need to get your nose out of joint -- that should be my reaction to your hijack. LOL Anyway what you probably did was just delete the subject and enter a new one. That's not the same as creating a completely new message. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installed list of Apps
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:35:52 +0200, Oumar Niane in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote : I don't think so Johan. It's a file that one can transfer to a fresh Debian install in order to install duplicate applications automatically when run with aptitude. Reading that forum page, I think that Johan's dpkg commands seem to be *exactly* what you are looking for. Unless you have inadequately described the problem. On the old box: $ aptitude -F %p search '~i!~M' package_list On the box : $ aptitude install package_list That's it ! Thanks to all who responded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:41:09 -0400, William Cooper in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --00151757497cda119e047214d287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2009/8/26 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid Hi; Wondering if anyone knows of a GUI for managing a digital camera for downloading pictures, etc ? There doesn't seem to be any such beast in testing, preferrably one that works with Gnome as opposed to KDE. Thanks. Steve, Toronto hello you can check the following - f-spot - gthumb - picasa from google (not in debian package system) Right. I'm aware of Picassa. What I'm looking for is a Gnome tool to do what recent distros of Windoze do out of the box. I'm attempting to sell Linux on the desktop to someone from the Windows world. Tools like this are needed if people are ever going to be convinced of GNU/Linux use on the desktop. I'll take a look at f-spot and gthumb. Thanks for those. you could have checked debian package search ( http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages) for a list of packages with the term photo to see what else is there. I did Bill nothing of use was there. There was mention of a gphoto but apparently it's strictly command line. bill --00151757497cda119e047214d287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable brbrdiv class=3Dgmail_quote2009/8/26 S. Fishpaste span dir=3Dltr= lt;s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalidgt;/spanbrblockquote class= =3Dgmail_quote style=3Dborder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin= : 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; Hi; Wondering if anyone knows of a GUI for managing a digital camera forbr= downloading pictures, etc ?br br There doesn#39;t seem to be any such beast in testing, preferrably one tha= tbr works with Gnome as opposed to KDE. Thanks.br br Steve,br Torontobr /blockquotedivbrhellobrbryou can check the followingbrullif= -spot/liligthumb/lilipicasa from google (not in debian package syst= em) /li/ulyou could have checked debian package search (a href=3Dhttp= ://www.debian.org/distrib/packageshttp://www.debian.org/distrib/packages= /a) for a list of packages with the term photo to see what else is there.= br brbrbillbr/div/div --00151757497cda119e047214d287-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:26:45 +0200, Klaus Wolf in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, I think that digikam is here the right way. best regards and a nice day klaus Klaus that is exactly the type of software I'm looking for; Unfortuantely I can't use KDE nor do I want to install it's libs. Does anyone know if there's anything similar in Gnome ? I've searched my archive but can't find anything but command line tools. This is for someone I'm attempting to introduce to Linux on the desktop from Windoze. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:28:48 -0700, Kevin Ross in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of S. Fishpaste Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:46 PM Hi; Wondering if anyone knows of a GUI for managing a digital camera for downloading pictures, etc ? There doesn't seem to be any such beast in testing, preferrably one that works with Gnome as opposed to KDE. Thanks. Steve, Toronto I don't know of any such program off the top of my head, but what I do is, I take the memory card from the camera and plug it into a card reader on my computer. The memory card just becomes part of your filesystem, and you can use whatever your normal means of moving files around is (Nautilus, command line cp and mv, tar, rsync, etc). Card readers are dirt cheap now, too. I got one for free included with the last SD card I bought. The reader is a tiny thing, barely bigger than an SD card. Right. Well before I'd buy that I'd probably manually remove them. I was looking for something that was more or less automatic much like what Windoze does out of the box. Thanks though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:51:35 -0400, Charles Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: - f-spot Watch out there you're packing in 21MB of gnome dependencies and esound that wipes out alsa, you know what I say to that. ew scratch that then. Just a card reader file manager and gimp for those creative moments. Ron Johnson said: jhead exif exiv2 metacam Thanks for these suggestions. All useful but not what I need for this project. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:05:49 +0530 (IST), Girish Kulkarni in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, S. Fishpaste wrote: There doesn't seem to be any such beast in testing, preferrably one that works with Gnome as opposed to KDE. Thanks. I've been using F-Spot for three years now (currently using it on Lenny). I've been happy with the way it painlessly imports photos from my Nikon D40 and sorts them hierarchically date-wise. F-Spot now also lets you use GIMP to edit photos, can upload to Flickr if you want and makes it easy to tag and search the collection. Looks great Girish. I wonder why it didn't show up when I searched aptitude via cli. I used 'photo'. Anyway thanks. Having GIMP support is even better. Cheers, Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GUI Digital Camera Application
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:12:30 -0400, Keith O'Brien in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of S. Fishpaste Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:39 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: GUI Digital Camera Application On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:26:45 +0200, Klaus Wolf in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, I think that digikam is here the right way. best regards and a nice day klaus Klaus that is exactly the type of software I'm looking for; Unfortuantely I can't use KDE nor do I want to install it's libs. Does anyone know if there's anything similar in Gnome ? I've searched my archive but can't find anything but command line tools. This is for someone I'm attempting to introduce to Linux on the desktop from Windoze. I have always used digikam on my linux box but picasa on OS X. You can give picasa a try, I'm not sure if you were looking for something strictly gnome or not. Keith. R/GA | 350 West 39 Street New York, NY 10018 This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are intended recipient (or authorized to receive this message for the intended recipient), you may not copy, disseminate or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail or forward the message to mailto:postmas...@rga.com and delete the message. Thank you very much. Thanks Keith, Picassa is a little heavy for what we're looking for. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Installed list of Apps
Howdy. I know there is a Debian app that's useful for duplicating installed applications from one box to another. For the life of me; I can't remember it's name. Anyone help ? Thanks. Steve, Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installed list of Apps
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:15:27 +0200, Johan Grönqvist in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: S. Fishpaste skrev: Howdy. I know there is a Debian app that's useful for duplicating installed applications from one box to another. For the life of me; I can't remember it's name. Anyone help ? Do you mean these? dpkg --get-selections dpkg --set-selections http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169062 I don't think so Johan. It's a file that one can transfer to a fresh Debian install in order to install duplicate applications automatically when run with aptitude. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
GUI Digital Camera Application
Hi; Wondering if anyone knows of a GUI for managing a digital camera for downloading pictures, etc ? There doesn't seem to be any such beast in testing, preferrably one that works with Gnome as opposed to KDE. Thanks. Steve, Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the preferred way to install packages from testing/unstable in stable?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:21:27 +0200, go...@dobosevic.com in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: So, I think the best solution is to ask developers to upload swfdec-mozilla to debian-volatile and to support it there too. What do you guys think? I'm think you are right. This days most of end user's can't live without this things (messenger, flash etc.)and they very often change. Web browsers to. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:37:30 +1200, Chris Bannister in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 05:44:47PM -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote: [snip] So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ? http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391 Thanks for your hard work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:35:56 -0400, Celejar in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:16:15 -0400 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: ... I agree Ron, that T-Bird and to some extent Slypheed-Claws, are good examples of GUI e-mail clients that are probably best of breed. I left And what, exactly, is wrong with plain Sylph? :/ Nothing, an error of omission. Thanks for mentioning it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:41:33 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-13 17:22:14 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote: Wow talk about copious output, only 4002 lines. 4002 is not very much, in particular for a complex application such as Firefox. This means that Firefox has done almost nothing and a problem occurred very early. O OK I have no idea what it all means. There are lots of 'no such file/directory' warnings. Most of them can be normal. snip Look at the clone and execve to know what programs are executed. Thanks for your interest in helping Vincent. I just used the Mephis source to get and install Firefox 3.5.x as a deb. Problem solved. Cheers, Steve Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:03:16 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-13 19:44, S. Fishpaste wrote: [snip] Yeah I have the preview pane set up similarly. You're quite right about being able to delete threads or mark them read, as being sweet. Tbird/IW has Mark Thread As Read. The threading is what's the bees knees for me. What do you mean? How is it's threading any better than Tbird's? (Unless, of course, you neglected to tell it to thread your folder using View-Sort by-Threaded.) It's been awhile since I have used T-Bird, but it's a great client. I'm not saying mutt is any better, just that for _me_ since using mutt, I haven't cared for any other e-mail client. I've tried, but keeping coming back. 8-D I agree Ron, that T-Bird and to some extent Slypheed-Claws, are good examples of GUI e-mail clients that are probably best of breed. I left T-Bird for good since it didn't have a proper reply to list function at the time, (b4 3rd party extension was available). At the time I was a regular reader/poster to this list and mutt just worked better out of the box at the time for list e-mail. FWIU the developers have recently been working on putting 'reply-to list' into T-Bird natively. Tis good, even if it took this long. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Problems with sound files for events
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:24:33 +0100, AG in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi Using GNOME, the volume control has greyed out all options for using a sound theme. The card is HDA NVidia using the ALSA mixer, but I am unable to access any sound files for alerts, etc. Is there an arcane trick to getting this sorted or is it a problem with the sound card. Other audio files play fine (*.ogg *.mp3 and audio CDs), but Kaffeine doesn't play sound either. Any ideas/ suggestions? If you're using ALSA, try 'alsaconf' as root. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:18:09 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-14 10:16, S. Fishpaste wrote: [snip] It's been awhile since I have used T-Bird, but it's a great client. I'm not saying mutt is any better, just that for _me_ since using mutt, I haven't cared for any other e-mail client. I've tried, but keeping coming back. 8-D And, of course, Mutt doesn't take 123m RES like my icedove-bin currently does... That's true forgot about that point. And, one doesn't need X-Windows to use mutt + vi(m). ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Problems with sound files for events
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:52:33 +0100, AG in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: snip What is that packaged as - there doesn't seem to be any candidate and I already have alsamixergui alsa-tools and alsa-utils installed. Using alsamixer doesn't even show up a device that I would associate with system sound events aside from beep. If you have alsa tools installed you should have it. Did you run it ? Does your kernel have the proper modules installed for your sound card ? That has to be done first before ALSA can configure it. It's pretty straight forward when one runs 'alsaconf' with prompts and all. FWIU ALSA is the preferred sound driver for Linux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:45:03 -0700, Jimmy Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: S. Fishpaste wrote: Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ? Mepis 8.0 is based on Lenny and has 3.5 compiled, you can get it using these repos if you want. deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-8.0 main Hey thanks for that; way cool ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:32:40 -0400, Charlie Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: For e-mail; mutt is my preferred MUA. Now there's a thread. Know of any clearly written logical progressive steps for setting up mutt or is it a life's work? Does it require an excessively high IQ fish? I always found following the sample commented muttrc was useful. Takes some time to go through it though. /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/ray.muttrc /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc-tlr.gz /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc.gz /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sidebar.muttrc /usr/share/man/man5/muttrc.5.gz Then when I ran into further questions, mutt-us...@mutt.org was always helpful. Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:41:35 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user
wrote:
On 2009-08-12 22:52:14 -0400, S. Fishpaste wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:21:00 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in
gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
Also, check that you don't have a firefox already running (maybe
hidden), otherwise when you run a second instance, it will send a
message to the old one and exit silently (IIRC).
Good point. Twas OK though.
If you still don't know the cause of the problem, I suggest something
like strace -f -o strace.out ./firefox. This may be very helpful,
in order to know what happens internally (in particular the files
that are read, what is executed and so on).
Wow talk about copious output, only 4002 lines. I have no idea what it all
means. There are lots of 'no such file/directory' warnings.
If you're interested in the tail;
4011 ... futex resumed ) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be
restarted)
4005 ... waitpid resumed [{WIFEXITED(s) WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1}], 0) = 4009
4005 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4005 --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
4005 waitpid(-1, 0xbfe68ff8, WNOHANG) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
4005 sigreturn() = ? (mask now [])
4005 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {0x807ef30, [], 0}, 8) = 0
4005 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4005 read(255, \nexit $exitcode\n..., 8176) = 16
4005 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4005 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4005 exit_group(1) = ?
4002 ... waitpid resumed [{WIFEXITED(s) WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1}], 0) = 4005
4002 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4002 --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
4002 waitpid(-1, 0xbfd7b5f8, WNOHANG) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
4002 sigreturn() = ? (mask now [])
4002 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {0x807ef30, [], 0}, 8) = 0
4002 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4002 read(255, exitcode=$?\n\nexit $exitcode\n# EOF..., 3883) = 35
4002 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4002 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
4002 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
4002 exit_group(1) = ?
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Re: Mutt [Was: Iceweasel 3.5]
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:38:31 -0500, Nate Bargmann in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: * S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid [2009 Aug 13 11:13 -0500]: Then when I ran into further questions, mutt-us...@mutt.org was always helpful. Once I got used to mutt; I found it hard to adjust to any other e-mail client. The power and flexibility is intoxicating. 8-D That and the maddening idea in all of the Mozilla mailers and Kamil as well that I have to display a message to delete it drove me largely away from them. My Mutt UI is set up so I can see the previous five or so messages above the one I'm reading. When I hit q the entire frame is the mailbox I'm browsing. Being able to wipe out entire threads with Ctl-D is the only way to keep one's sanity with busy mailing lists such as this one and Mythtv users. Yeah I have the preview pane set up similarly. You're quite right about being able to delete threads or mark them read, as being sweet. The threading is what's the bees knees for me. At present I'm torn between using vim or jed as my editor. I've used vim since I got into Linux, in the latter part of the ninties. But, since I use slrn for nntp, I thought I'd try out JED -- Just to be loyal initally to Jim E Davis whom is the developer of both slrn, slang and JED. I found out I actually liked JEDs simplicity, (to my surprise) so now I'm using JED in slrn and vim in mutt. LOL Cheers, Steve Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xserver-xorg won't start
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:37:04 +0200, Thomas Preud'homme in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Le lundi 10 août 2009 15:02:20, S. Fishpaste a écrit : On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:46:58 +0200, Thomas Preud'homme in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Le dimanche 09 août 2009 19:38:53, S. Fishpaste a écrit : On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:33:27 +0200, Thomas Preud'homme in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Le dimanche 09 août 2009 15:34:48, S. Fishpaste a écrit : I can't figure out what's wrong but from searching for a solution it's seems to have happened to others On a P3 Toshiba Laptop fresh install of Lenny -- I can't get the Xserver to start. It just says no screens found yadda, yadda. I don't have any xorg.conf file to dpkg-reconfigure either. Suggestions ? Copy here lines starting with (WW) and (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log egrep ^(\(WW\)|\(EE\)) /var/log/Xorg.0.log OK I managed to find the correct path for pcidata.so and now the Xorg.0.log looks like this; (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. (WW) The directory /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType does not exist. I did a search for Cyrillic and it's not on my system. I've found one in my sources list, so am installing that now, and will create the TrueType directory listed as well. Progress !a These are only warning. Your X installation seems ok. Don't you have any display when you start x server ? Nope it locks up after attempting to load X. It won't allow me a console prompt and I have to hit the power switch to escape. Ok so try installing packages x-ttcidfont-conf (for TrueType directory) and xfonts-cyrillic Yup that was all done. Actually the problem was solved by appending 'no DDC' (due to a bug in the video card that Toshiba used in this particular laptop) to my xorg.conf. The puzzling thing is that no error is thrown indicating such is a problem and I wouldn't have figured it out on my own without the help of another fella whom had the same model. I appreciate your time and everyone else's in helping me with this issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:26:47 +0200, Vincent Lefevre in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-12 10:35:07 +0200, Johan Grönqvist wrote: So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ? If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental and then disabling the repos. Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ? If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all apps, and installing a chroot environment to run the few unstable/experimental apps you want in a more sandboxed environment. IMHO, this is a bit complex. As Debian is always late, is there any reason to use Iceweasel instead of Firefox from Mozilla's site (assuming no XUL* errors)? That's the problem I'm running into Vincent; XUL libs with the binary I downloaded from Mozilla.org I just got Google Chrome going -- OK can't use Flash yet, but at least it's pretty fast on this old laptop; faster than on my dual core x64 workstation. Go figure. Maybe I can pass on Iceweasel all toghether now. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.org - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:35:07 +0200, Johan Grönqvist in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ? If I were you, I would temporarily enable testing, unstable and experimental repos, grab iceweasel and dependencies from experimental and then disabling the repos. Hm sounds like a plan. Do you know offhand which Debian distro has 3.5.x ? If the experimental version needs to update a lot of libraries (many experimental packages do), and you have a good reason to want to run stable, I would instead suggest keeping with stable for almost all apps, and installing a chroot environment to run the few unstable/experimental apps you want in a more sandboxed environment. As I understand it, I think that should be enough for your need. Later, when a proper backport of iceweasel 3.5 arrives, you can use it under stable. Right. I think I'd rather wait until either backports or volatile has it. Speaking of Volatile isn't this the purpose of it; For packages like web browsers which are updated frequently ? At least that has been my understanding of it. I have successfully used this method when I wanted to install stuff form experimental or form third party sources (that I do not trust). See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/566 for more info. Good luck. Thanks for the reply Johan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:52:27 -0400, Charlie Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: So how does one use the latest version of this web browser on Stable ? You could put these sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an #apt-get update deb http://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/ sid main contrib non-free If you have a GUI type package manager like smartpm it will show a list of all the available versions of Ice Weasel after the update. If not that then #apt-cache showpkg package will give a lot of verbose information regarding versions dependencies and anything with the word iceweasel in it including the versions in your package cache As a last resort if you have problems with the dependencies running lenny you can always go to /etc/apt/apt.conf and put in the line: APT::Default-Release sid; Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to use backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the latest versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of those 2 sources. Walk on the wild side. LOL I've done that enough. After the upgrade you will have iceweasel 3.5.1-1 Right. Thanks for the input. 8-D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:22:16 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-11 22:04, S. Fishpaste wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:24:44 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-11 16:44, S. Fishpaste wrote: [ ...] I have checked backports for stable and there doesn't appear to be a 3.5 version, so I got Mozilla's version. Only problem it depends on XUL* which wasn't available via my sources list for Lenny. That doesn't sound right. The Mozilla binary should come with the proper XUL. Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message. What *exactly* is the error message? Run it from an xterm (AFTER having removed Lenny's iceweasel and xulrunner), then paste the command invocation along with any messages. Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially; :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:45:46 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --nextPart1623703.JhhgrbnWO2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In slrnh85u4r.531@laptop.sweetpig.dyndns.org, S. Fishpaste wrote: Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to use backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the latest versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of those 2 sources. Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not update= d=20 much more often than stable, such as anti-virus and anti-spam. The browser= s=20 that are part of stable still function (I use them). I believe FF was in=20 volatile-sloppy for a while, and I would not object to it living there=20 again. Backports is for any software has been released since stable that can run i= n=20 the environment provided by stable (which generally means running on older= =20 libraries). The Mozilla products generally require a number of components= =20 to be incompatibly replaced with new versions, which can make them=20 unsuitable for Backports. Sometimes backports of the Mozilla products to=20 appear though. Sid is for software that the maintainer feels could be suitable for a Debia= n=20 release. Generally, this is not VCS snapshots, alphas, or betas. It might= =20 also exclude some RCs. For the KDE project, it even excluded two releases= =20 of KDE 4. The software should have a maintainable API/ABI and be usable (a= s=20 in, not crashy and contains enough features) for the majority of the users= =20 it targets. Experimental is for packages that are not suitable for Sid, for whatever=20 reason. The packaging could be undergoing complex changes and may not=20 install the majority of machines. The software itself might be unreleased= =20 by upstream, but upstream or the maintainer are eliciting feedback. Thanks for the detailed explanation. In all cases, packages are only available as the packagers have time to=20 build and upload them. Want more up-to-date packages? Get to work! Well I guess a start would be for me to read up on backports to see if I have the necssary expertise. ;-D Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,=3D ,-_-. =3D. b...@iguanasuicide.net((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/ --nextPart1623703.JhhgrbnWO2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. --nextPart1623703.JhhgrbnWO2-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:39:51 -0500, John Hasler in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: S. Fishpaste writes: Speaking of Volatile isn't this the purpose of it; For packages like web browsers which are updated frequently ? No. It is for packages such as antivirus programs that must be updated frequently to be useful. Upstream hyperactivity does not justify putting a package in volatile. Hi John, I respect your opinion as I've read your posts over the years, however; In my opinion Firefox updates are more than mere hyperactivity and are as useful as much as antivirus updates. shrug In a normal laptop/workstation GUI environment few applications are as important as a web browser (especially these days). A web worker for example relies on a web browser pretty heavily. Not everyone using Debian is using it on a server, you know. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:41:59 +0200, Sven Joachim in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-12 19:15 +0200, S. Fishpaste wrote: Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop and other than wanting an uptodate browser *always* I'd prefer to use backports. Wonder why either backports or volatile don't carry the latest versions of Iceweasel|Firefox. I thought that was the purpose of those 2 sources. Somebody has to provide them first. As a general rule, backports are only made for packages that are in testing, and Iceweasel 3.5 has not even hit unstable yet. OIC Given that the maintainers of Mozilla packages in Debian are totally overworked and understaffed, I don't think that backports will be made any time soon. Fair enough. 8-D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:53:56 -0500, Ron Johnson in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On 2009-08-12 12:27, S. Fishpaste wrote: [ ...] Yeah I know, nevertheless that's the error message. What *exactly* is the error message? Run it from an xterm (AFTER having removed Lenny's iceweasel and xulrunner), then paste the command invocation along with any messages. Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially; :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory That's... weird. I ran both 3.5 and 3.5.1 for a while on a Sid system with IW 3.0.12 and it ran perfectly. Next, I'd try locate libxul.so. Yup; I have it but it's version 1.9 which is probably too old ? It's in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so Anyway, now that I've got Xserver.Xorg running good in Lenny, I'll probably upgrade to Testing, since you had FF 3.5.x working there. Thanks ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:11:09 +0100, Graham in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:27:05 -0400 S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: Yup that was what I was doing to get the error message initially; :~/firefox-3.5.2$ ./firefox-bin ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You're not meant to run ./firefox-bin, you're meant to run ./firefox Try that and it should work. Really ?! I had tried that; didn't seem to do anything just exited without echoing any error message in xterm. Too tired to read /var/log just now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:31:25 +0100, Tim Beauregard in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Volatile is for software that fails to achieve its goal if it is not updated [snip] the contents of this post would make a good FAQ. Indeed it would. Is there a cite for it (I'm not saying it's NOT correct). Just crossing the T's and dotting the I's. I don't mind putting it on my KNOL which already has a writeup on getting Debian Lenny installed on Old World PPC Mac architecture. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:30:47 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: --nextPart4349252.rWh3h2apeg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In slrnh8683n.531@laptop.sweetpig.dyndns.org, S. Fishpaste wrote: In a normal laptop/workstation GUI environment few applications are as important as a web browser (especially these days). A web worker for example relies on a web browser pretty heavily. Not everyone using Debian is using it on a server, you know. ;-) I have been quite happy with the Konqueror in Squeeze along-side the=20 IceWeasel in Lenny and I use a web-browser for work every day. I can=20 understand the desire to update if IW fails to render some page you require= =20 for work. I think most users should be able to work with the Debian- supported version in Lenny. Well yes and no. There are *significant* speed increases in the FF 3.5 branch. Kongi is OK, it's using webkit now FWIU. So, it and Chrome should be similar. I have to admit to being partial to Chrome. I like it's minimalistic approach, extension support is coming along nicely and will be in the Linux version soon. I do have Google Chrome running excellent (it's quite faster than it was in Windoze XP-Pro which was on this laptop until just recently. I don't run Gnome or KDE as my laptop is rather ancient, circa 2001. So no Konqueror (It's my netbook). I'm using Icewm and finding it to be nice and light. I used XFce back in the day, now it seems bloated and slow on this P3. I've also heard it has a nasty memory leak; but Icewm has survived, as I remember it. Yeah, Iknow I could install some KDE libs to be able to use Kongi, but presently my system partition is 60% full (remember oldish laptop, smaller HDD) so I think it's full enough. ;-) If you find a bug in stable/testing/unstable/experimental (like a web page= =20 that doesn't render properly, or a plug-in that breaks), you should really= =20 file a bug so that Debian can backport a fix once the Mozilla team produces= =20 one. O OK. Cheers. Steve Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:57:19 -0300, Cassiano Leal in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, S. Fishpastes...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: [ ...] I just got Google Chrome going -- OK can't use Flash yet, but at least it's pretty fast on this old laptop; faster than on my dual core x64 workstation. Go figure. Maybe I can pass on Iceweasel all toghether now. You can use flash on it, actually. Assuming you have flash for Iceweasel installed from debian-multimedia, do: # cd /opt/google/chrome # mkdir plugins # cd plugins # ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so Then, start Chrome by issuing: $ google-chrome --enable-plugins and Flash works! nod I've heard that as I read chromium-users and chromium-develop. I understood itcauses 100% CPU load ? If that's the case, I can do without it on this older hardware. I'll use my Vista box which has HD video card/Widescreen if I want to view videos on YouTube. But good of you to post the instructions. Others may want to try that with Google Chrome ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:49:07 -0400, Charlie Kroeger in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Well I was primarily wanting to stay with stable as this is an older laptop Hummm..well you could try Opera. They have a lighter faster up-to-scratch browser. LOL Geez browser choice is almost religous with some people. 8-D snip Opera source list Can't hurt. If you're like me and don't use a desktop environment you can go fly weight with opera for mail and newsgroups that comes included. Opera isn't as manifold as iceweasel say, you wouldn't want to use it with tor for instance, as they don't do SOCKS but it doesn't bring a lot of baggage. I've never been a fan of Opera. I dunno what it is, but over the years I just couldn't get to like it or become comfortable with it -- Maybe it's the interface. I guess it's just one of those things. shrug For e-mail; mutt is my preferred MUA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
