Re: Serial Connection
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:30:49 -0400 (EDT), ow...@netptc.net wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:41:37 -0400 (EDT, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> That's true. But a properly-wired cross-over cable or null modem >> not only crosses over TD and RD but also crosses over DTR and DSR >> and also crosses over RTS and CTS. Ground, of course, is wired >> to Ground. CD is normally tied to DSR on the same side of the >> interface (on both sides). RI is usually left unconnected. >> >> See, for example, >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png > > Yes Stephen that's the "traditional approach". Unfortunately > there are at least half-a dozen non-standard configurations > (e.g. permanent RTS, connecting DSR to DTR) which drive RS-232 > people nuts. I agree that the place to start is with your > traditional cable or with a null modem adaptor (essentially a > black box that does all the interconnections for you, allowing > straight through cables from either side to the boxes) but beware > this may not work in all situations. I agree. Special situations may require special wiring. As I said in another post, the devil is in the details. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2019024296.1757667.1301273806216.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Serial Connection
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:27:08 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > For attaching a terminal all you need to connect are pins 2, 3, and 7 on > a DB25, or 2, 3, and 5 on a DB9. Reverse 2,3 on one end of each cable > to get your x-over. All the other pins are for modems only and are not > used for terminal connections. Serial printers only need 2, 3, 7 as well. That would be transmit data (TD), receive data (RD), and signal ground (SG), respectively. That is the minimum. But it may not be sufficient. If the terminal is set up for hardware flow control, for example, it won't be sufficient. Besides, the OP wants to cross-cable two servers together, it seems, and use a minicom session on one to open a terminal session on the other. minicom was written for use with a modem and probably expects more of these lines to be functional than just TD, RD, and SG. The devil is in the details. If he uses a full cross-over cable, as outlined in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png (or a standard serial cable with a similarly wired null modem), it should work with any DTE-to-DTE connection. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1560657861.1757468.1301273172399.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Serial Connection
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT), ow...@netptc.net wrote: > On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:52:23 -0400 (EDT, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> I haven't tried this, but one thing you want to make sure of is that >> you use a "cross-over" cable. The serial ports on PCs have what's known >> as a DTE interface (Data Terminal Equipment). The serial ports on >> modems have what's known as a DCE interface (Data Communications >> Equipment). A standard serial cable is designed to connect a DTE >> interface to a DCE interface (i.e. a computer to a modem). >> What you are trying to do is connect two DTE interfaces together. >> For that you need to use a special serial cable called a "cross-over" >> cable which is specifically designed to connect a DTE interface to >> another DTE interface. If you try to use a regular serial cable, >> one designed to connect a DTE interface to a DCE interface, it won't work. >> >> An alternative to using a cross-over cable is to use a device called >> a "null modem" on one end of your serial cable. A null modem attached >> to a standard serial cable effectively converts it into a cross-over >> cable. >> >> Connecting a serial printer to a computer also requires a cross-over >> cable or a standard cable plus a null modem, since both devices have >> a DTE interface. >> >> You also might have to use two cables and two serial ports. One serial >> port looks like a modem, with you as the terminal. minicom >> allocates it. The other serial port looks like a serial console, >> with you as the host. getty allocates it. The other server sees >> a similar pattern. > > There's usually more than crossing Transmit Data and Receive Data. > There are at least two control signals that are applicable. > Usually one "borrows" what is known as a break-out box to determine > which signals each side of the interface are active. There are > lots of good googles for RS-232 that will help. That's true. But a properly-wired cross-over cable or null modem not only crosses over TD and RD but also crosses over DTR and DSR and also crosses over RTS and CTS. Ground, of course, is wired to Ground. CD is normally tied to DSR on the same side of the interface (on both sides). RI is usually left unconnected. See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/835019430.1751010.1301251297388.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Cannot update wheezy
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT), Mark Fletcher wrote: > > For over a week now I've been unable to upgrade wheezy. I do aptitude > update as root, which is fine, then also as root do aptitude safe- > upgrade. When I do that, it says "resolving dependencies" and the open > and closed statistics start going up. Right now open is at about 34000 > and closed is at 29000. Defer is at 329 and conflict is at 62. It just > sits there with open and closed ticking steadily up, and never seems > to finish. > > This doesn't feel right to me. I am not sure what else to post in the > way of info as aptitude doesn't even get to the stage of producing > interesting output before going into this endless-looking process if > ostensibly resolving dependencies. Could my system's notion of package > relationships have got messed up somehow, and if so how can I clean it > up? Any help appreciated. > > Machine is self-built intel core i7 920 with 8Gb of Ram and an nVidia > GeForce 9800 GTX+ based graphics card. It's about 2 years old. I > originally installed squeeze which had recently gone into Testing at > the time, and upgraded using aptitude full-upgrade to wheezy shortly > after squeeze became stable. Since upgrading, for a few weeks, > everything was fine until about a week ago when I noticed I couldn't > update as described above. I left it for a week thinking it was a > package dependency prob that would fix itself eventually, but it > doesn't seem to be doing so. > > Any help appreciated. Mark, I had the same problem about a week ago. The solution is to do a full-upgrade instead of a safe-upgrade. The problem is caused by libre-office packages taking the place of open-office packages. full-upgrade allows packages to be deleted, safe-upgrade does not. With full-upgrade the dependencies can be resolved by giving permission to delete a couple of open office packages that are functionally replaced by a couple of libre office packages, IIRC. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/106426833.1750138.1301249543138.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [OT] compiled kernels do not boot
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:49:22 -0400 (EDT), Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 27/03/11 10:19, Stephen Powell wrote: >>http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm > > Unfortunately your page keeps timing out - not sure if the google cache > version:- > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6YOBkerJS1kJ:users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm+%22http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com.au > > is up-to-date. Nice info though and I've added it to my kernel bookmarks. As of now, yes. March 4, 2011 is my last revision date. I have no explanation as to why you can't get to it. I just tried to display it and it came right up. (It's not hosted on my computer.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1796909351.1741794.1301189061156.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [OT] compiled kernels do not boot
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:31:57 -0400 (EDT), Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 27/03/11 00:29, Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:19:11 -0400 (EDT), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >>> >>> I have tried 3 self-compiled kernels and they do not boot. They compile >>> w/o errors. >>> >>> They are compiled with 'make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -ck2 >>> --initrd kernel_image'. This is with an uptodate Sid. >>> > > Could your problem be the missing "=":- > make-kpkg --revision*=*1?? I can't speak for Hugo in general, but I can tell you that the equal sign is not required. It may have been required at one time, but it isn't anymore. My best guess at this point is that he is failing to initialize the .config file from the Debian stock kernel config file prior to running make menuconfig. But that's just a guess. There are many "gotchas" in kernel building, and just one mistake can be fatal. That's why I wrote my kernel building web page and why I recommend it to people having problems. I spend a lot of time keeping it up too, so it's fairly up-to-date. http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm > > From my notes for --append-to-version:- > "You may use alphanumeric characters, "+" and "." (period or full stop); > do not use underscore "_" or spaces, = is required" Obsolete. I never use "=". > > From my dodgy memory the same rules apply to --revision Also obsolete. > > Also you order the process differently, not sure if that matters, at a > minimum I'd use:- > make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers Most people don't need to build a kernel headers package, but if you really do need kernel headers and you include the kernel_headers target then you cannot use the "--rootcmd fakeroot" option. In this case you must run the entire make-kpkg command under fakeroot. I.e. fakeroot make-kpkg ... kernel_image kernel_headers Of course, if you are logged in as root then you don't need the fakeroot prefix command. > > I'd normally use something like:- > make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision=custom kernel_image > kernel_headers Again, use of the kernel_headers target requires that the entire command run under fakeroot. This is not documented, but it is true. I have verified it by trial-and-error experimentation. Also, I recommend that the --revision option be the same as the source package version and to include "custom" in --append-to-version. This is all covered in my web page. > > Perhaps someone else can tell whether the syntax (=), and/or the order > is important? The order of options is not important and the equal sign is not required. > > > > After the official Debian resources I use > http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_Kernel_Newbies (which better qualifies my > level of expertise!) > > Cheers All well and good, but my web page is Debian-specific and very detailed. It's not short but it is comprehensive. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1104953138.1740211.1301181571750.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Serial Connection
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 at 17:45:17 +0100, MAROUNI Abbass wrote: > > I have two servers with Debian Lenny installed. > > The two servers have a serial cable connected form Stty0 on Server0 > to Stty1 on Server1. I can use minicom to log into Server0, but when > I try to login to Server1 from Server0 using minicom I get some garbage > and I can't type anything with the keyboard. > > Any Ideas?? I haven't tried this, but one thing you want to make sure of is that you use a "cross-over" cable. The serial ports on PCs have what's known as a DTE interface (Data Terminal Equipment). The serial ports on modems have what's known as a DCE interface (Data Communications Equipment). A standard serial cable is designed to connect a DTE interface to a DCE interface (i.e. a computer to a modem). What you are trying to do is connect two DTE interfaces together. For that you need to use a special serial cable called a "cross-over" cable which is specifically designed to connect a DTE interface to another DTE interface. If you try to use a regular serial cable, one designed to connect a DTE interface to a DCE interface, it won't work. An alternative to using a cross-over cable is to use a device called a "null modem" on one end of your serial cable. A null modem attached to a standard serial cable effectively converts it into a cross-over cable. Connecting a serial printer to a computer also requires a cross-over cable or a standard cable plus a null modem, since both devices have a DTE interface. You also might have to use two cables and two serial ports. One serial port looks like a modem, with you as the terminal. minicom allocates it. The other serial port looks like a serial console, with you as the host. getty allocates it. The other server sees a similar pattern. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1489274790.1739751.1301179943578.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: recover partition table
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:42:15 -0400 (EDT), Geronimo wrote: > > I don't want to offend you, but all that you wrote I already > found from google and friends. > > What I did not find is some info about partman logging. > Searching debian MLs for partman has millions of hits, > so its the same like no hits - can't read all that. > > As partman is internal to d-i, where can I find some info > about the numbers shown around partition informations? Sorry. I guess I didn't understand what you were asking for. In answer to your question, probably nowhere. But I can make some educated guesses. For example, here's an excerpt from my /var/log/installer/partman file: - . . . /lib/partman/choose_partition/35crypto/choices: IN: PARTITIONS =dev=hda parted_server: Read command: PARTITIONS parted_server: command_partitions() parted_server: Opening outfifo parted_server: OUT: OK parted_server: OUT: 1 32256-526417919 526385664 primary linux-swap /dev/hda1 parted_server: OUT: 2 526417920-37523727359 36997309440 primary ext3 /dev/hda2 parted_server: OUT: 3 37523727360-3536639 2475809280 primary ext3 /dev/hda3 parted_server: Partitions printed . . . - The first number after "OUT" is probably the partition number. Next is two numbers separated by a hyphen. I'm guessing that that is the starting and ending sector numbers. Then comes a third number. I'm guessing that that is the total number of sectors in the partition. Next comes the partition type (primary) and the type of file system in the partition (ext3). Now if my guesses are correct, then the ending sector number minus the starting sector number plus one should equal the number of sectors in the partition. Let's see. Hmm. Yes, the math holds up in all the above examples. Let's double check that with the current output of "parted /dev/sda unit s print free". Hmm. No, these are not sector numbers, these are byte offsets. Converting them to sector numbers gives 1 63-1028159 1028097 primary linux-swap 2 1028160-73288529 72260370 primary ext3 3 73285530-78124094 4835565 primary ext3 And this agrees with the output of "parted /dev/sda unit s print free". (To convert the starting byte offset to the starting sector number, simply divide by 512. The same procedure works to convert the number of bytes to the number of sectors: simply divide by 512. To convert an ending byte offset to an ending sector number, the formula is a little more complicated: add 1, divide by 512, then subtract 1.) The corresponding commands to create these partitions would be: parted /dev/sda unit s mkpart primary linux-swap 63 1028159 parted /dev/sda unit s mkpart primary ext3 1028160 73288529 parted /dev/sda unit s mkpart primary ext3 73285530 78124094 It's a "seat of the pants" kind of thing. You won't likely find any official documentation on it. Hmm. I just discovered a "rescue" command in parted. It's description is "rescue a lost partition". The corresponding syntax for "rescue" is parted /dev/sda unit s rescue 63 1028159 parted /dev/sda unit s rescue 1028160 73288529 parted /dev/sda unit s rescue 73285530 78124094 I would think "rescue" would be safer to use than "mkpart". Obviously if you're going to rescue a partition, you wouldn't want any blocks of binary zeros written to the beginning, now would you? Of course, you only want to "rescue" partitions that are not already defined. And rescuing a partition may change the numbers of existing partitions, so watch out for that. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2146860404.1737077.1301167555714.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: recover partition table
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:36:08 -0400 (EDT), Geronimo wrote: > > I'm a bit confused. > > I tried to read partition info from hex-dump of first block and compare that > with the values from /var/log/installer/partman ... > > According to partition info from wiki the biggest number of chs is 0x3FF, > which is 1023 decimal - and partman output contains entries like: > (91201,0,0) (91201,80,62) > > So is there another way to interpret entries from partition table? The master boot record is the first sector of the disk (512 bytes). Its LBA value is 0 and its CHS value is 0:0:1 (cylinder 0, head 0, record 1). The partition table is contained within the master boot record. Assuming that your disk is partitioned using the standard MS-DOS disk partitioning scheme, the partition table is at offset 0x1be (decimal 446). The total size of the partition table is 64 bytes. It consists of four 16-byte entries. Each entry describes a primary partition or an extended partition. There can be a maximum of one (minimum of zero) extended partitions. Logical partitions, if any, are described in the extended partition table in the first sector of the extended partition. See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record for more details. Each partition table entry contains the starting sector of the partition in both CHS format and LBA format. It also contains the total number of sectors in the partition and the CHS address of the last sector in the partition. LBA values and CHS values can be converted back and forth to each other as long as (1) the disk geometry is known, and (2) the partition is completely contained within the portion of the disk which is addressable in CHS format. In the best case scenario, CHS values can address only the first 8.4G of the disk. The LBA values can address up to 2T (2 terabytes). Unfortunately, not all disk partitioning programs agree on the disk geometry; so what to use for LBA values depends on which program was used to partition the disk. I address this topic to some extent in my LILO web page http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm That's why I recommend that you concentrate on the sector numbers, which are essentially the same as LBA values. The sector information is further down in the file than the CHS information. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2008653358.1735863.1301160403861.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: System becomes very slow after update to squeeze 6.0.1
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT), Jackie Wang wrote: > > See below: > Qin:~# dmesg|grep -i firmware > [9.268193] platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: requesting radeon/RS690_cp.bin > [9.522472] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLS, Firmware-ID:FW13 > ] > [ 22.020133] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: requesting b43/ucode13.fw > [ 22.033362] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: requesting b43-open/ucode13.fw > [ 22.048527] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode13.fw" not found > [ 22.055643] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43-open/ucode13.fw" not found > [ 22.063020] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to > http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download > the correct > firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all > instructions on this website. > [ 22.824121] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: requesting b43/ucode13.fw > [ 22.834487] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: requesting b43-open/ucode13.fw > [ 22.846726] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode13.fw" not found > [ 22.853638] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43-open/ucode13.fw" not found > [ 22.860374] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to > http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download > the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all > instructions on this website. > > but RS690_cp.bin i've already installed : > ... > b43 is wireless adapter. (1) Please reply to the list, not to me (2) Please do not top-post Well, it's true that the missing firmware is not for your video hardware. But it could still be the cause of a process consuming excessive CPU cycles. Unfortunately, there does not appear to be a Debian package that contains this firmware. I would follow the instructions in the error messages and obtain the firmware if I were you. It couldn't hurt, and it might help. This is one of the major differences between Lenny and Squeeze: separately-loaded firmware. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1254969647.1733905.1301152614285.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: recover partition table
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT), Geronimo wrote: > > Not sure about fdisk. Does fdisk write partition table entry only? > > ... or does it have side effects on existing data - like wiping out > superblock > of existing fs, so you have to format the partition? > I don't want to increase the damage, therefore I ask before doing anything. That's an excellent point, Geronimo. Sometimes partitioning programs do stuff like that. I know the old FDISK command from MS-DOS used to write out a few blocks of binary zeros to each partition it allocated to avoid left-over data from causing problems. In the case of Linux fdisk, parted, etc. I don't know the answer to that question. One thing you can try is to allocate a small partition in an area that you know was free space, format it, put some data in it, delete the partition, then reallocate it exactly where it was before, and see if you can still read the data. Then delete the partition again. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/350791612.1732927.1301148600853.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: recover partition table
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:37:44 -0400 (EDT), Geronimo wrote: > > recently I wiped out all but one partition tables by stupidness and hasty > reading ... > > Thanks to testdisk, most of the damage is already fixed. > > There are 2 drives, that testdisk could not find the partion informations for. > Accidently I discovered "/var/log/installer/partman", which looks like being > from the time before my dumb Chuck-Norris-Roundhouse-Kick ;) > > That logfile looks like having reasonable partition informations of all > drives. > > Can anybody please shine me a light, how to patch the partition tables with > informations from that file, so it might be possible to gain access to data > ... I looked at my /var/log/installer/partman file, and it does indeed look as though the exact sector information for the partitions is there. I would suggest using the "parted" command from the package of the same name. It can allocate partitions and report on them at the sector level. For example, parted /dev/sda unit s print free parted /dev/sda unit s mkpart ... -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2015154596.1732737.1301148012639.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: System becomes very slow after update to squeeze 6.0.1
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:40:29 -0400 (EDT), Jackie Wang wrote: > > My laptop is HP 6515b, AMD Turion 64x2 CPU, 2G memory with dual system, > Debian and windows XP. First time I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.4 amd64 > on my laptop, DE is Gnome. Then upgrade to 5.0.6, then 6.0. Until 6.0 it > works very well. But recently after i updated to 6.0.1 the system > becomes very slow. I notice the process Xorg consume many CPU usage. > even i open a terminal window, it pop up very slow.today i fresh > installed my laptop,using netinst method > (debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso).but after installed the system still > very slow, Xorg still consume many CPU. but windows XP runs normal, so i > think 6.0.1 has some problem. does anybody encountered this situation? > > BTW,can i just install debian 6.0 not 6.0.1? i have 5.0.4 DVD and 6.0.1 > netinst CD. Have you checked for missing firmware? Issue dmesg|less and search for the character string "firmware". For example g /firmware n The "g" takes you to the top, "/firmware" searches for the string "firmware", and "n" repeats the last search. Use "n" as often as necessary. Look for evidence that the kernel tried to load firmware but was unsuccessful. Use "q" to exit, of course. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1471178425.1732538.1301147313367.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [OT] compiled kernels do not boot
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:19:11 -0400 (EDT), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > I have tried 3 self-compiled kernels and they do not boot. They compile > w/o errors. > > They are compiled with 'make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -ck2 > --initrd kernel_image'. This is with an uptodate Sid. > > I have looked at the initrd files with cpio and I see nothing wrong: the > 'init' file is there as it should be, etc. But what to look for? > > I use legacy-grub and that just sits there with 'boot' as the last > command, forever. > > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to try next? > > I have used make-kpkg many times, but not in the last 5 months, and this > has never happened to me. The first thing I would try is to configure a custom kernel exactly like a stock Debian kernel. Assuming a stock Debian kernel boots successfully, and assuming that you are using the Debian kernel source which corresponds to the stock Debian kernel, that will tell you if there's something wrong with your kernel configuration or if there's something wrong with the logistics of your compilation and installation. If I were to hazzard a guess, I would guess that you don't have a feature enabled that your hardware needs. But that's just a guess. The following resource may be helpful to you: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/965276153.1732196.1301146172005.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Your favorite version control software
On 2011-03-25 14:00:26 Gregory Seidman wrote: >Either I don't get it or I won't drink the Kool-Aid. It's hard to say >which. I understand the value of the decentralized approach for a >decentralized project. That includes many open source projects. I believe >that git is absolutely the best choice for the Linux kernel, for example. > >On the other hand, I *really* value a repository-wide, monotonically >increasing version number. When I'm setting up source control for a >project, I'll always go with subversion. Even if everyone working on the >project uses git through git-svn and pulls changesets from one another, I >want the central repository to have sequential revision numbers for >commits. I want to be able to identify a revision number in a release that >indicates all of the commits of which it is composed (i.e. any number less >than that revision number). The whole GUID thing is fine for passing >changes around, but it's meaningless for a release. git-describe provides friendlier descriptions of many trees. If you tag names sort well, then the output of git-describe sorts well for the majority of commits. Given a SHA and the repository, it is trivial to list all the commits that are ancestors of it. The output of git-describe provides enough context to usually get the whole SHA. Finally, if you just gotta have monotonically increasing numbers, it's relatively easy to trivial to have a hook on the central repository that generates tags automatically that use monotonically increasing numbers. The problem with monotonically increasing numbers is that they don't make sense for every commit in a non-linear history, because while there is a partial ordering of such commits, there is not a total ordering on such commits. The "trick" with the tags generated by a hook like I suggested is that it doesn't attempt to assign a number of *every* commit. Instead, it only assigns numbers to the synchronization points. Assuming the central repository is updated in a fast-forward manner (generally a good idea, and the default unless someone uses --force), then these synchronization points are a subset of commits in the non-linear history that DO have a total ordering. Bzr uses hashes/ids "behind the scenes" but generally recommends using something very close to numbers. Given a repository, each "synchronization point" is assigned a monotonically increasing number. Commits that aren't synchronization points, use a multiply-dotted syntax after the number that identifies the most recent "synchronization point". It gives a very SVN like feel; the HEAD/trunk/master branch in the central repository is always at something that can be called "revision N" where n is a natural number. It's not entirely the same though, a local commit might be called "304" until you synchronize with someone else (like the central repository) and it starts being called "300.1.4". That only (I think) happens to private commits though; there's some guarantee that when you and someone else share a commit, it will have the same name for both of you. Hg and Mtn might also have solutions in this area. I tend to doubt Darcs does. >So, yeah, git is great on the client side, but I want a central repository >that is more oriented toward points in time than changesets. I can have >both with git-svn. Git, Hg, and Mtn are not changeset oriented at all. Any diffs they present as part of a log are synthesized at that time. They (efficiently) store "snapshots" of the repository, and are not much concerned with how the repository got there. Darcs is very changeset oriented, it juggles patches not snapshots. It synthesizes the work tree as necessary, and understands patch dependencies enough to make that work tree deterministic. However, it doesn't fundamentally store states, be rather transitions between states. I think Bzr is similar to Git/Hg/Mtn, but I know it has some relationship with Arch so (like Arch) it might use changesets for some operations. So, with Git/Hg/Mtn a commit's hash/id *is* a unique identifier of a point in time, which is what you claim you are after. I tend to think that monotonically increasing natural numbers are a bit over-rated. However, if you want them you can get them without completely abandoning a non-linear history and some of the DVCS advantages that comes with. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Your favorite version control software
On 2011-03-25 11:39:17 Jason Hsu wrote: >Why do you prefer Subversion for the central repository and git for laptops? I can think of at least one reason: history. I haven't checked the default settings recently, but I seem to remember that git allowed "forced" pushes by default. This is great for your personal repositories, but not usually good for central repositories since a "forced" push can cause loss of history. Perhaps forced pushes are turned off when you create a shared / bare repository now; few central repositories are not created as one (or both) of these types. For laptops, or in any case where you may not have an active, reliable connection to the central repository, subversion just fails. You can't commit, branch, etc. All of the distributed VCSes support disconnected operations, even if they aren't the default. I prefer not-subversion for the central repository when developers are using a distributed VCS in practice. Subversion forces the history to be linearized, which often involves what git calls a "rebase". Whatever your DVCS calls it, it makes new "revisions/patches" that whose relationship with the original ones are not tracked. Requiring this process before getting changes into the central repository can limits some of the effectiveness of the DVCS model. (Last I heard though, PostgreSQL forces this behavior even though they are using a DVCS to manage their central repository; there were enough developers that found a linear history easier to work with that it became policy.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: libXm.so.3
On 2011-03-24 16:58:43 Joe Riel wrote: >Any idea where I can get a 64 bit version of libXm.so.3? >My understanding is that it is part of libmotif3, but >that isn't part of Debian. That true. However, it is made available in the non-free section. libmotif3 is in oldstable/non-free. In Squeeze, testing (Wheezy), and unstable (Sid), it has been replaced with libmotif4 which provides libXm.so.4. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Your favorite version control software
On 2011-03-24 15:33:44 Jason Hsu wrote: >What's your favorite version control software for software development? >Subversion? Git? Something else? Git. However, I'm willing to work with anything distributed, I just know Git a lot better than Hg, Bzr, Mtn, or Darcs. If something non-distributed is entrenched in the project / workplace, I'll end up using Git with occasional synchronization with the inferior solution. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze? OT question
On 2011-03-24 11:04:02 Paul E Condon wrote: >On 20110324_160327, Ken Heard wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Steven Sciame wrote: >> > This is confusing. There is 'backports.debian.org' and >> > 'mozilla.debian.net'. Both use squeeze-backports in sources.list. >> > >> > apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box, points to >> > backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my >> > sources yet as this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they >> > work together? > >What about iceweasel 4 in wheezy? Will that just happen in a few >days/weesk/months? Which? (days|weeks|months)? At this point, it is only in experimental. That doesn't establish a schedule for migration to testing. Since we are no longer under freeze, an upload to experimental indicates that the DD uploading the package has doubts about it's quality, and is seeking wider testing before even uploading to unstable. (This may be due to the quality of the upstream software OR packaging changes.) Once the package hits unstable, you can use <http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html> to watch the "testing migration" and watch it move to Wheezy. Normally, I think 15 days is the waiting period, but that can be controlled somewhat by the DD performing the upload to unstable. It can also get "hung" in other transitions. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?
On 2011-03-24 04:03:27 Ken Heard wrote: >Steven Sciame wrote: >> This is confusing. There is 'backports.debian.org' and >> 'mozilla.debian.net'. Both use squeeze-backports in sources.list. >> >> apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box, points to >> backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my sources >> yet as this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they work >> together? > >I am not sure about this, but I seem to remember fro somewhere that >which backports repository apt-get/aptitude will use to find a given >package depends on the order they are listed in sources.list. The ordering only matters when the same package name *and version* are available from multiple sources. In fact, it is more subtle than that, involving the priority system as well. But basically, ordering in the file is the sorting-of-last-resort. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: An interesting experiment
On 2011-03-23 14:25:02 Brad Alexander wrote: >I just found a box in my basement that I haven't touched in many years. I >checked sources.list, and it was built when woody was stable and sarge was >testing. The box was running sid. So I thought it would be an interesting >experiment to see what is involved to get it to a modern sid, or if it is >even possible. The box is a PII/667. 192mb ram, 6gb drive. Well, forget about pulling packages directly from current Sid. dpkg has grown too many new features. Update your sources.list to point to sarge from the archive, read the Sarge release notes, and follow the upgrade procedures, likely "ending" in a full- upgrade / dist-upgrade. Reboot, verify, and clean up.[1] Repeat that for Etch. Repeat for Lenny; remember that you will move back to your favorite mirror of the master repositories, instead of the archives. Repeat for Squeeze. Now, fix up your sources.list the way you prefer: Sid only, Sid+testing, Sid+experimental, something mixed, whatever. No release notes at this point, but this list will be able to help you out if you hit too many issues. Dist- upgrade, reboot, verify, and clean up. It should work, but it won't be automated at all, unless services are absolutely minimal and you weren't using a DE. Use the package manager recommended in each release notes document. Sometimes this is aptitude, sometimes it is apt-get, avoid using dselect if possible. [1] This might not upgrade all your packages. It's unlikely, but possible, that adding an appropriately date-versioned snapshot from snapshots.d.n of Sid to your sources.list will ease some of the dependency issues. Try and remove this snapshot as early as possible though, otherwise you might not realize that some obsolete packages need to be replaced/uninstalled. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?
On 2011-03-23 09:14:04 Geronimo wrote: >For me its a debian QA issue. > >grub may have bugs, as well as linux kernel - and of cause, each bug may >break a system or lead to fresh installation, which does not work. >That's no problem - if it happens at sid or testing. > >... but for me, its completely unacceptable having this happen to debian >stable. > >No other linux distribution has that QA-level of debian, so it may happen on >every other linux too. > >Debian stable is a synonym for really good (and unreached by others) QA - >and this has been broken now. Nothing really changed in this area around Squeeze release. RC bugs are tracked and resolved with new uploads, downgraded, ignored because they don't affect testing-that-will-soon-be-stable, or specifically tagged to be handled with an update to stable. If no one has issues with testing / sid, or they have issues and don't file bugs, then it won't be on the release team's radar. With things that are remarkably hardware specific (like GRUB2) it's not really possible for a DD to test your configuration unless they just happen to have it as well. With certain other things (like FTBFS issues) there are DDs that, as time permits, run through the entire archive and file bugs for such QA issues. There's usually plenty of time between freeze and release. If you want to make sure the release works for your configuration, test the upgrade / install during freeze and file bugs. Even if something won't be fixed (i.e. using kernel device names in /etc/fstab is fragile), it can be turned into information / documentation contained in the release notes. Also, Debian doesn't control upstream. When KDE decides to abandon KDE 3 or the GRUB developers decide to abandon GRUB1, Debian *has* to follow.[1] For the vast majority of programs in Debian, there are not enough DDs interested in that software to maintain it without support from upstream. [1] FWIW, GRUB2 and KDE SC 4 are both much more capable and featureful than their predecessors.[2] They do lack the "finishing" that KDE 3 and GRUB1 got through years of being deployed in production. Some of that "finishing" is missed; much of it really was "cruft" that just made it harder to improve the systems. [2] Let this not be interpreted as approval of the development process for either of these projects. As a maintenance programmer, there's plenty of code I've wanted to throw out and just re-implement from the ground up. But, the more I do it, the more I get the sense that that is rarely, if ever, the correct way forward. I would like liked to see the changes made in both these projects made more incrementally. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?
On 2011-03-23 07:01:21 Brad Alexander wrote: >I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided >against that for a squeeze system. Squeeze is released, which mean it will no longer receive new upstream versions. Updates will be limited to security issues and important bug fixes. I recommend a complex pinning setup like mine so you can pull individual packages from backports/testing/unstable/experimental and keep them up to date while having as many packages as possible sourced from "stable". -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?
On 2011-03-23 00:59:49 Geronimo wrote: >Hello, > >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> Now, moving between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1 shouldn't have been a problem, but I >> suspect you actually would have had issues rebooting your 6.0.0 system >> even without the 6.0.1 updates, since you didn't have your fstab in >> order. > >Grub can't be wrong, cause it is working in your system. I didn't say that. Grub2 barely works on my system. :P >On a complex system (yes, for me, linux is quite a complex system) the truth >may be somewhat different. May be, we both are wrong. How complex is your set up? I'm using mdadm RAID 1 for "/boot" and GRUB mbr, mdadm RAID 1 + mdadm RAID 5 inside a LVM2 volume group that provides separate LVs for /, /usr, /usr/local, /opt, /srv, /var, /var/cache, /var/tmp, and /home plus /tmp on tmpfs. Maybe we both a wrong is probably the most likely case. :( -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Mouse disappeared after update to squeeze 6.0.1
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:04:40 -0400 (EDT), Steven Sciame wrote: > > What is the easiest way to downgrade the kernel as a work around > for this problem? First of all, please do not top-post. If you installed Debian from a CD, there may be a back-level copy of the package file (.deb file) on the CD that you can use. If not, when a package is downloaded from the internet, a copy of the package file (.deb file) is placed in the package cache (/var/cache/apt/archives) and is installed from there. Sometimes, you can find a back-level package there. An "aptitude clean" or "apt-get clean" command erases all files from the package cache. If the first two options won't work for you, you can try http://snapshot.debian.org You can usually find back-level packages there. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/801876667.1646967.1300836642021.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Mouse disappeared after update to squeeze 6.0.1
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 04:44:58 -0400 (EDT), Christian Estelmann wrote: > > After installing all updates on the weekend the mouse pointer > disappeared. It was like the size of the pointer were set to 0px. > Klicking and moving was possible - but without seeing the pointer, it > was quite hard do know where you are. > > I downgraded package for package. Now I can say, that when doing this step: > [AKTUALISIERUNG] linux-base 2.6.32-30 -> 2.6.32-31 > [AKTUALISIERUNG] linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-30 -> 2.6.32-31 > [AKTUALISIERUNG] linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common 2.6.32-30 -> 2.6.32-31 > [AKTUALISIERUNG] linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-30 -> 2.6.32-31 > after a reboot the mouse pointer is not showed. After installing the > packages in version 2.6.32-30 it is back again. > > I am using kde and kdm. But I for testing I have installed gdm and xfce > - the mouse was not visible there, too. > While starting a program, the "jumping" icon is showed and can be moved > - like nothing is wrong. > > I'm not sure if this is the right list, but I thought I will try. > If you need more information just ask about it. I cannot reproduce your problem. I am running Wheezy with the exact same stock Debian kernel image: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, version 2.6.32-31, and my mouse pointer works fine. I am using GNOME and the nv driver. I also have gpm installed for using the mouse in a text console. My mouse is a standard 2-button PS/2 mouse connected to a standard PS/2 mouse port on the back of the machine (Intel 8042 keyboard/mouse controller chip). What kind of mouse are you using? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/91314.1628726.1300793157859.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: mouse pointer disappeared after upgrading to 6.0.1 in GNOME
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:52:37 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Topa wrote: > > The only off list message I sent was to inform the OP about the > Debian COC regarding sending me a copy. I guess I was confused by the multiple consecutive posts by the OP with no intervening replies. I was assuming that someone was replying off-list and the OP was posting requested information on-list. I guess I was a bit too hasty with my assumptions. Sorry. > > I am using a more then 10 year old Logitech Tracknam Vista. A ps2 > trackball. > > I don't run KDE or Gnome and am mainly a console user. As I pointed out > I know nothing about KDE/Gnome as such and never looked into what is > required for the mouse in them. > > I've always used gpm and didn't realize that KDE/Gnome don't. :-( > Old habits die hard. Strictly speaking, the mouse support is in the X server itself and not in any desktop environment that may run on top of it. But yes, if you are going to use the mouse in a text console then you need gpm. I use it too. > > I guess I should not try to help anyone who does so that I don't make > their problems worse. I don't think you did any harm, and I would hate to discourage anyone from attempting to help. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/453068037.1623473.1300754739298.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Squeeze
On 2011-03-21 13:06:44 Fibber McGee wrote: >Released before its time.. A most miserable upgrade. Odd. IIRC, the RC bug count was 0, so I'd say it was released right on time. Perhaps more people should have gotten involved in running (frozen) testing and filed more RC bugs. I ran squeeze basically since the freeze, and moved to KDE SC 4 as soon as 4.2 landed in Sid. I didn't find any RC issues on my 2 systems or I would have filed bugs. >KDE forgets settings and won't turn off without pulling the plug. Linux >changed all the drives and the Wifi. Software has degraded. KDE acts/looks >like MS-Windows 7 without the birds, flowers and ribbons; I get spaceships >instead. Run Windows and wear a skirt, run KDE and wear little boy pants. >And why is the Desktop in a window now? I grabbed them to copy to the real >Desktop and for some reason the "snap to grid" was turned off and all the >icons were in one spot, piled on top of each other. And, oh boy, we can >delete the entire desktop with just a click. Wunderful. > >The scientific calculator has been replaced with a toy. Where is >knewsticker? Its replacements are no joy either. > >For some reason, the various dropdown boxes here at Yahoo mail are all blank >now. This editor is white on a dark gray background; it was black on white. > >What have you guys done?! I may never get this all sorted out. Sounds like all your problems are the result of removing KDE 3 applications and shipping KDE SC 4 applications. Please complain to upstream; they are the ones that decided to stop supporting KDE 3 and focus all efforts on KDE SC 4. Debian simply does not have enough KDE/Qt contributors to support something in that area without upstream. You might also try using the unofficial Trinity packages for Squeeze, but keep in mind that they do NOT play well with with official KDE SC 4 packages. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened to debian - does "stable" keep having any meaning?
On 2011-03-21 10:15:37 Reinhard Mantey wrote: >I admit, my main problem is mostly ideologic, but isn't it a rule of debian >stable, that no update will break a running system? >The last update did break my system. While that is a good target, it is not possible to achieve. Before upgrading from oldstable to stable you must read the release notes and modify your configuration appropriately. Part of the release notes for Squeeze was migrating from device names to labels or uuids. While udev and other changes in the kernel have caused more systems to show the non-deterministic nature of the kernel device names, and thus forced Debian (among others) to use labels and uuids in the installer, it has been a problem on certain configurations for about a decade, maybe longer. Now, moving between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1 shouldn't have been a problem, but I suspect you actually would have had issues rebooting your 6.0.0 system even without the 6.0.1 updates, since you didn't have your fstab in order. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best network filesystem for a bleeding edge, pure linux environment?
In <20110319235133.aa4a79ae.cele...@gmail.com>, Celejar wrote: >On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:50:36 -0400 >shawn wilson wrote: >> about the same time as samba 4 and perl 6). As it is, I'd use nfs (add >> ddrd > >I can't figure out what ddrd is. I think they meant "drbd", which is a way to keep two block devices synchronized during use. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: mouse pointer disappeared after upgrading to 6.0.1 in GNOME
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:28:11 -0400 (EDT), Wayne Topa wrote: > > That seems to be your problem, gpm is not installed. > > As I do not use gnome this may not be required but the only way I can > get a mouse to work is by installing the gpm package and configuring it. It would seem that some of the discussion in this thread has been occuring in private e-mails and is therefore not visible on the list. That makes it hard for others to follow. To all parties, please keep everything on the list. As for gpm, it should be needed only if you want to use a mouse in a text console (i.e. vt1-vt6). If you only care about using a mouse in the X Window System Server on vt7, you shouldn't need gpm. There used to be a problem with sharing a mouse between gpm and X in 2.4 kernels, and to solve this problem gpm created a "repeater" function that would echo mouse events on /dev/gpmdata. The X server could then read mouse events from /dev/gpmdata with the effective result that the mouse was sharable between gpm and X. That actually can still be done, I think, but it should no longer be necessary. If X and gpm are configured properly (i.e. they both use /dev/input/mice), then the mouse sharing capabilities of the kernel are used and the use of gpm's repeater function should no longer be necessary. I don't want to hijack the OP's thread, but Wayne, I'm curious what kind of a mouse you use and why you think it is necessary to use gpm to get it to work in X. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/664597597.1599444.1300670955752.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Firewall rules to block unwanted protocolls on given ports
In <12ece38cdc9.930887499216092428.2266832439697170...@zoho.com>, johhny_at_poland77 wrote: >Does somebody has an idea, that what kind of iptables/pf rule must i use to >achieve this?: > >i only want to allow these connections [on the output chain]: > >on port 53 output only allow udp - dns >on port 80 output only allow tcp - http >on port 443 output only allow tcp - https >on port 993 output only allow tcp - imaps >on port 465 output only allow tcp - smtps >on port 22 output only allow tcp - ssh >on port 20-21 output only allow cp - ftp >on port 989-990 output only allow tcp - ftps >on port 1194 output only allow udp - OpenVPN > >So that e.g.: OpenVPN on port 443 would be blocked, because only HTTPS is >allowed on port 443 outbound. How do you expect iptables to tell the difference between an outbound HTTPS connection and on outbound OpenVPN connection? The IP protocol doesn't contain much more information than the IP address. The TCP and UDP protocols on top of it don't contain much more information than the port number. Virtually all iptables modules either act at IP protocol information or TCP/UDP protocol information. There was an "l7filter" or "l7protocol" iptables module maintained outside the iptables project that was supposed to scan the data passing over the virtual circuit to try and determine the higher layer protocols, but I don't know if it is still around, nor if it can tell HTTPS from OpenVPN. It is difficult to impossible to determine exactly what protocol is being used when good encryption is in play. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: need help with sed problem
On 2011-03-18 12:59:08 Andrej Kacian wrote: >To get result you want, try using different separator character than /, for >example the comma, or underscore: Colon is also a pretty good choice. While it is allowed in pathnames, it already causes problems. Try adding a directory containing colon to your PATH or MANPATH. :P -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: sum two disks using RAID or LVM?
On 2011-03-18 03:44:32 Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote: >The 'data safety' I mentioned gave the wrong impression. Let me >rephrase: I want to use the two disks aggregated (i.e. 1TB), and the >question is if one of the two solutions gives me better chances to get >some of my data back, in case of a full or partial failure of one of the >two disks... Neither is very good. If half your file systems "goes away" you'll probably end up losing more than half your data. LVM will, by default, not do striping and a non-stripped loss seems more likely to be recovered by an fsck. Software RAID (md) also seems to have a non-striped mode with should work just as well. I think the LVM approach is a little more flexible, but the md approach could perform a little better. Buy another 500GB disk and do software RAID 5 if you really need 1TB of space. It won't be great, but it'll be a LOT safer than what you are proposing. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best network filesystem for a bleeding edge, pure linux environment?
On 2011-03-17 14:53:37 Celejar wrote: >> Already using Kerberos everywhere? If not, don't bother with AFS. I'm >> not sure about Coda, but I think it is the same situation. > >Would you mind elaborating a bit? Are you talking about security, >authentication, encryption? Kerberos is primarily authentication. It provides some information to authorization systems built on top of it and has some small authorization conventions for managing the domain. It uses encryption to enable the authentication, but doesn't necessarily enforce any protocol-level encryption on applications using it for authentication. From what I understand, permissions on files under AFS are not really handled the way a "simple" UNIX filesystem is (uid/gid/perms in the inode, optional acl extensions). Instead, files are owned and permissions granted based on your Kerberos principal for the domain the AFS is in. Essentially, a Kerberos infrastructure is necessary to use AFS, at least a minimal one. And, with a truly minimal Kerberos configuration, I don't think it would be any more secure and probably more poorly performing than an equivalent NFS. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best network filesystem for a bleeding edge, pure linux environment?
On 2011-03-17 14:08:29 Celejar wrote: >I want to set up a network filesystem to share files between several >linux systems (Debian & OpenWrt). Judging from what I see on the list >and elsewhere, NFS stills seems to be the standard, but I am aware that >newer options are available, e.g. Coda and OpenAFS. Since I don't need >any legacy or non-linux support, should I try one of those, or just >stick with NFS? Already using Kerberos everywhere? If not, don't bother with AFS. I'm not sure about Coda, but I think it is the same situation. NFS (v4 if you can) is still the "go-to" for accessing a file system across a network connection. (NBD, iSCSI, and ATAoE all operate underneath a file system, you might be able to use them with a cluster-aware file system for sharing, but double-mounting a normal file system is a no-no.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: 建议中文字体包去掉prefer的设置
On 2011-03-17 07:55:16 cathayan wrote: >所以，提个建议，能否那这些字体包中相关的Conf去除？当然设定字体特殊的render/hinting这些 还是很必要的，只是不必再设prefer。用户装这 >个字体肯定是要用它，但怎么用还是让用户自己设，不需要直接把字体放到相关分类的前面。 > >现在Sid中的ttf-arphic-uming（64-ttf-arphic-uming.conf），ttf-wqy-zenhei（44-wqy- zenh >ei.conf）都还包含此类设置，xfonts-wqy也就是bitmap song好像已经没有了，但如果以前装的 话，系统里说不定还会留的有。 > >大家以为如何？ I'm guessing font issues. However, I don't speak the east asian language this is written in, nor do most of the participants on this list. debian-user is an English-language list, so you might be better served either reposting in English or using one of the language-specific variants of debian-user; I am not sure if one exists for your language. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: stop monitor going to black
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT), Charles Kroeger wrote: > > What is the command to end the monitor going dark after a few minutes > of inactivity of the mouse or keyboard? Well, for virtual consoles other than the X server (tty1-tty6) it is setterm -blank 0 The above command will prevent blanking of the screen for the current boot, or until a subsequent setterm overrides it. To disable it permanently (starting with the next boot), edit the file /etc/kbd/config and change the value of BLANK_TIME to 0. As for the X console, it probably depends on which desktop environment you use. For GNOME, try System -> Preferences -> Screensaver and uncheck the box which says "Activate the screensaver when computer is idle" Then click the Close button. The power management button contains additional settings which may come into play. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1275961091.1525280.1300331069841.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Canonical source for the new CD signing key's fingerprint?
On 2011-03-16 14:31:14 Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: >My signing this email simply says that a person who has access to the >associated GPG private key wrote it. Actually, it doesn't even guarantee that they *wrote* it. It guarantees the *read* it and were willing to sign it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Looking for a parallel log viewer
In , Malte Forkel wrote: >I'm looking for a tool that can display multiple log files and scroll >them based on their timestamps in a synchronized fashion. multitail? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: kde missing documentation
On 2011-03-15 15:36:34 Andreas Goesele wrote: >"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." writes: >> On 2011-03-15 11:48:48 Andreas Goesele wrote: >>>"Dr. Ed Morbius" writes: >>>> There's always 'auto-apt' or 'apt-file' to track down the package >>>> owner of a specific file. >>>> >>>> Since your attempt to invoke documentation turns up a reference to a >>>> specific missing file, I'd go that route. >>> >>>Just to clarify: The missing files are in the respective kde packages >>>(konqueror, okular ...). The problem is that they are not installed >>>using "apt-get install" or "aptitude install". They are installed using >>>"dpkg -i". I think they should be installed also by apt-get or aptitude >>>and I'm wondering why they are not. >>> >> That's probably wrong, since apt-get and aptitude invoke dpkg to do >> the install for each package. apt-get and aptitude are unable to >> install packages without using dpkg. > >Start-Date: 2011-03-15 21:13:54 >Commandline: apt-get --reinstall --no-install-recommends install konqueror >Install: konqueror:i386 (4.4.5-2) >End-Date: 2011-03-15 21:14:01 > >(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror remains empty) > >dpkg -i konqueror_4%3a4.4.5-2_i386.deb > >(/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror full of stuff) (I still don't believe you; I've never seen APT configured to do that, although it is possible, I think.) Please post the output of (apt-config dump | grep -i dpkg). Here's mine for reference: Dir::State::status "/var/lib/dpkg/status"; Dir::Bin::dpkg "/usr/bin/dpkg"; Dir::Ignore-Files-Silently:: "\.dpkg-[a-z]+$"; DPkg ""; DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs ""; DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs:: "/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10"; DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs:: "/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true"; DPkg::Tools ""; DPkg::Tools::Options ""; DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs ""; DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs::Version "2"; DPkg::Post-Invoke ""; DPkg::Post-Invoke:: "if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums -- generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi"; DPkg::Post-Invoke:: "if [ -d /var/lib/update-notifier ]; then touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp; fi; if [ -e /var/lib/update- notifier/updates-available ]; then echo > /var/lib/update-notifier/updates- available; fi "; -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: kde missing documentation
On 2011-03-15 11:48:48 Andreas Goesele wrote: >"Dr. Ed Morbius" writes: >> There's always 'auto-apt' or 'apt-file' to track down the package >> owner of a specific file. >> >> Since your attempt to invoke documentation turns up a reference to a >> specific missing file, I'd go that route. > >Just to clarify: The missing files are in the respective kde packages >(konqueror, okular ...). The problem is that they are not installed >using "apt-get install" or "aptitude install". They are installed using >"dpkg -i". I think they should be installed also by apt-get or aptitude >and I'm wondering why they are not. That's probably wrong, since apt-get and aptitude invoke dpkg to do the install for each package. apt-get and aptitude are unable to install packages without using dpkg. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Extending and releasing open source software
On 2011-03-15 09:45:51 Nick Douma wrote: >Basically for my own files: > > > Yes. >for the original authors files: > > > Yes. Although, you might also want to add the GPL header. It's not necessary until you start modifying the file; but doing it now does no harm other than making the diff against upstream bigger. >for modified files: > > > > These should definitely include the GPL header. The MIT header should be preceded with a note that earlier versions where under this license in their entirety but that current versions retain the notice only to satisfy the terms of the original license and redistribution of current versions has additional restrictions (the GPL, in specific). IIRC, there's a file or two in the Linux kernel source that went 2-clause BSD -> GPLv2+ that establish a good model for how to clearly mention them both in the source itself. Not including the GPL header could confuse the recipients into thinking that your changes to existing files are available under the MIT license. I'm assuming that you don't want that to be the case. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Extending and releasing open source software
On 2011-03-15 09:26:32 Nate Bargmann wrote: >My question upon reading the initial post was whether the MIT license >allows changing the licensing terms? Is it like the BSD no attribution >clause license in that respect? If so, then licensing under the GPL3 is >likely legal. If not, then that opens an entire can of legal worms. Overview from the FSF: " X11 License This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. Older versions of XFree86 used the same license, and some of the current variants of XFree86 also do. Later versions of XFree86 are distributed under the XFree86 1.1 license. This license is sometimes called the MIT license, but that term is misleading, since MIT has used many licenses for software. " " Modified BSD license This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. If you want a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, the modified BSD license is a reasonable choice. However, it is risky to recommend use of “the BSD license”, because confusion could easily occur and lead to use of the flawed original BSD license. To avoid this risk, you can suggest the X11 license instead. The X11 license and the revised BSD license are more or less equivalent. This license is sometimes referred to as the 3-clause BSD license. " Both allow re-licensing. The X11 license is explicit about this. The 3- clause (or 2-clause) BSD license is implicit about it. >I'm guessing here, but speaking only for myself, assuming the MIT >license is similar to the BSD no attribution clause license, unless the >modification is trivial, I don't wish to have my code used by a >proprietary interest without compensation. While I'm of the same mind in some respects, I think you must consider the value your contributions vs. the value of being able to "play well" with upstream. I'm sure there are non-trivial improvements to (e.g.) PostgreSQL that would be best released under a non-GPL's license so that they could be integrated and maintained along-side the core code. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Extending and releasing open source software
On 2011-03-15 07:22:50 Nick Douma wrote: >Hi, > >On 03/14/2011 06:15 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> On 2011-03-14 11:12:35 Nick Douma wrote: >>> I have a question about developing software and licenses. I have taken a >>> MIT-licensed library (https://github.com/peej/tonic), and modified and >>> extended it. The result is a REST library for PowerDNS, which I would >>> like to release under GPL. However, it is not clear to me how I should >>> do it. >> >> Why not keep the existing MIT license? > >Because the GPL license is a better match for the project. How so? Using the MIT license makes it easier for you to share changes with upstream. It also makes it easier for users to switch between your fork and upstream. It also gives your users the same freedoms 0-3 that the GPL does. I'm a big fan of the GPL, especially version 3, and it's variants. I just don't understand your exact motivations for breaking compatibility with the existing library. What are you trying to allow / prevent? >So basically I add two lines for source files that I modified, Two things: Your copyright attribution, and a reference to the license (GPL). This may take more or less than two lines. >and the >original MIT license after that? ??? Please clarify. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: this is just a test, please ignore it!
In , h...@lolfreak.net wrote: >this is just a test, please ignore it! ... From <http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct>: Code of conduct When using the Debian mailing lists, please follow these rules: [...] Do not send test messages to determine whether your mail client is working. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: this is a test
In <4aae918bdce72015c775bea7fa8b8...@mail.secure-mail.biz>, Secure-Mail User wrote: >this is just a test, >please ignore it! Please follow the Code of Conduct when posting to Debian mailing lists: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct Particularly, these points: * Do not send test messages to determine whether your mail client is working. * Never send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: test
In <056228cfda2b460ded65a04bcfbd6...@mail.secure-mail.biz>, Walkman@secure- mail.biz wrote: >test Please follow the Code of Conduct when posting to Debian mailing lists: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct Particularly, this point: Do not send test messages to determine whether your mail client is working. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Extending and releasing open source software
On 2011-03-14 11:12:35 Nick Douma wrote: >I have a question about developing software and licenses. I have taken a >MIT-licensed library (https://github.com/peej/tonic), and modified and >extended it. The result is a REST library for PowerDNS, which I would >like to release under GPL. However, it is not clear to me how I should >do it. Why not keep the existing MIT license? >I have already read most of the FAQ on >http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html. I have added a COPYING file to >the project with the GPLv3 license in it. I have also added a license >file with the "This file is part of XXX" text from >http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto, and added a reference to the >original author and license he released with. Finally, I have added the >same text (without reference to the original author) to all my >(modified) source files. IANAL; TINLA IANADD; TINASOODP Each file should contain a copyright notice for each entity that holds copyright on it. 'Copyright 2011 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." "' is a good example. New source files will just have your copyright, unmodified source files will just have the original authors copyright, modified source files will have both copyrights. For clarity, it is recommended you include at least a reference to the GPL in each file. The whole text of the GPL need not be reproduced in each file. If the only modifications you make to a file are the GPL reference and original author's copyright notice, you shouldn't add your copyright notice. >I am also not sure what to do with the original author's license. I would put it in the file COPYING.MIT, along with a note that this is the license of the original work by the original author and does not cover the derivative work that includes your additions. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [OT] You want embarrassing? (was "[SOLVED] Cannot use USB floppy drive in Squeeze")
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:54:02 -0500 (EST), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Stephen Powell put forth on 3/12/2011 8:30 AM: >> >> I have to admit that tops my story. But I think I can do better. >> I once tore up the wall of my living room trying to find an >> electrical problem, only to discover that the reason that the >> electrical outlet wouldn't work was that it was a switched outlet >> and the switch was off! That was bad enough. But to add insult >> to injury, I actually have a four-year college degree in electrical >> engineering! You'd think that an electrical engineer could figure >> out that the switch was off, wouldn't you? >> >> Now *that* was embarrassing! > > BS EE != journeyman electrician, nor apprentice electrician, not even > shade tree electrician > > A BS EE friend of mine asked myself and another friend to install a car > stereo for him as he had no clue how to go about it. That's true. We EEs get a lot of theory, but not much practical experience. Draw me a circuit diagram with a voltage source and a network of resistors and ask me what the current is through a particular resistor and I have a decent chance of being able to tell you -- eventually. But ask me what gauge of wire is required by the electrical code for a certain application and I would have absolutely no clue. They are different skill sets for different purposes. And yes, if I bought a car stereo, I would pay someone else to install it. Still, even a lowly EE should have thought of the possibility of a switched outlet. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1068252632.1418484.1299957619004.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?
TOFU Corrected. In <086801cbe0be$30b00080$92100180$@centurytel.net>, mike cutie and maia wrote: >-Original Message- >From: darkestkhan [mailto:darkestk...@gmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:43 AM > >>IMHO apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are something that everyone should >>have installed > >I tryied to do an apt-get install list-bugs and an apt-get install >apt-list-bugs and also a search and can't find the package how can I >install this and apt-listchanges? Spell the package name correctly. "darkestkhan" did: "apt-listbugs". -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[OT] You want embarrassing? (was "[SOLVED] Cannot use USB floppy drive in Squeeze")
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:11:49 -0500 (EST), Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/25/2011 06:49 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: >> ... >> I have found the culprit: it was a bad floppy disk! The media was >> physically defective and was causing I/O errors. Once I put a good >> floppy in it, everything worked fine. How embarrassing! Thanks to >> all who replied, and sorry for the noise. > > My wife's old computer (a tower sitting on the floor in a cabinet) > once wouldn't boot, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out > why. So I bought her a new PC. > > A year later, I looked at the old PC at just the correct angle and > saw a disk in the floppy drive... > > *That* was embarrassing! I have to admit that tops my story. But I think I can do better. I once tore up the wall of my living room trying to find an electrical problem, only to discover that the reason that the electrical outlet wouldn't work was that it was a switched outlet and the switch was off! That was bad enough. But to add insult to injury, I actually have a four-year college degree in electrical engineering! You'd think that an electrical engineer could figure out that the switch was off, wouldn't you? Now *that* was embarrassing! -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/107902408.1413263.1299940246721.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Upgrading the old OS vs. fresh installation of the new OS
In <20110309171317.41bb9188.jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com>, Jason Hsu wrote: >Which do you prefer: Upgrading the old OS or doing a fresh installation? I >learn towards a fresh installation. Upgrade. Always. I've heard others swear by "New install. Always." though. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re (2): [OT] US tax forms with acroread from debian-multimedia
In <87aah3hpf0@thumper.dhh.gt.org>, John Hasler wrote: >I wrote: >> No electronic transmission method can be as secure as walking into >> my CPA's office and handing him papers. In <201103091258.46708....@iguanasuicide.net>, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >Similarly, if you engage a tax professional you have to share your >information with them and they will likely store that information on media >they (or the entity they represent) owns. The same level of trust is >required in this case, though it may be easier to obtain. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re (2): [OT] US tax forms with acroread from debian-multimedia
On 2011-03-09 16:11:47 John Hasler wrote: >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes: >> ...are the most secure way to exchange information publicly available. > >That statement is certainly false on its face. No electronic >transmission method can be as secure as walking into my CPA's office and >handing him papers. PGP/GPG and TLS are *significantly* more secure than mailing your papers. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re (2): [OT] US tax forms with acroread from debian-multimedia
On 2011-03-09 13:44:32 John Hasler wrote: >I wrote: >> Sure, if you don't mind publishing your tax returns. > >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes: >> "Publishing" is perhaps a bit harsh. Most web-based tax services use >> end-to- end encryption to prevent the data from being intercepted both >> times it is "on the wire": from you to them and from them to the IRS. > >It's secure from them to the IRS but the Web is inherently insecure. Well, that statement is false on it's face. Properly implemented TLS trust chains are equivalent to the PGP/GPG web-of-trust and are the most secure way to exchange information publicly available. AES is aging well and the best attack against the full cipher is still brute-force. SHA-1 is much older and has some valid attacks against the full hash, but none that a feasible to crack a single TLS session, even if it would allow you to completely "pwn" the average citizen. Soon, it will be replaced with SHA-3; SHA-2 is already available and it would be relatively easy to switch to it if attacks against SHA-1 starting coming about more often. The Web, like many *many* technologies was not designed with security in mind so it is insecure by default. That doesn't prevent it from being secure. Ethernet, IPv4, and TCPv4 weren't built with security in mind. That doesn't make all your ssh connections "insecure". It is secure from the individual to them. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re (2): [OT] US tax forms with acroread from debian-multimedia
On 2011-03-09 11:10:39 John Hasler wrote: >Peter E. writes: >> Isn't a Web based tax calculation more efficient? > >Sure, if you don't mind publishing your tax returns. "Publishing" is perhaps a bit harsh. Most web-based tax services use end-to- end encryption to prevent the data from being intercepted both times it is "on the wire": from you to them and from them to the IRS. You *do* have to share your information with that entity and (implicitly) trust them not to disclose that information through malice or fault. It is likely they have terms that significantly limit their liability for such actions. Similarly, if you engage a tax professional you have to share your information with them and they will likely store that information on media they (or the entity they represent) owns. The same level of trust is required in this case, though it may be easier to obtain. "Publishing" has a connotation of "public", not neither of these sharing acts guarantees (or even significantly increases the chances) that the general public acquires access to your tax information. I've had a excellent experience using TaxAct's web-based software to file my personal taxes for at least the 5 past years. Even if you are capable and confident enough to file your own tax return, the normal method of filing "off-line" provides far fewer guarantees than the end- to-end security provided by a trusted TSL connection. As such, it is actually easier to subvert. I am not sure if the IRS supports direct electronic filing by individuals or if the tools to do so are available in Debian. I think not, which is one of the main reason I engage third-party in filing my U.S. taxes. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: what is the “Online Certificate Status Protocol”
In <12e99f41477.8900856560593359179.-8593987615458235...@zoho.com>, erikmccaskey64 wrote: >Is my redirection method with privoxy is secure? Security is not a boolean state. It is probably more secure now than it was previously. OCSP is used to verify that no certificate in the trust chain has been revoked, after the server certificate is confirmed to be part of a valid trust chain. It is likely a way to turn it off, but it is not normally a good idea. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: to which package should I file against the allocation bug described below?
On 2011-03-08 14:37:23 Enrico Bertocchi wrote: >- Debian Squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, used in SOHO like environment >- huge amount of committed memory, e.g. from /proc/meminfo > Committed_AS: 369822496 kB > see Appendix 1 below; >- huge amounts of memory allocated by many processes, e.g. firefox-bin @ >120GB, see Appendix 2 below >- confirmed by huge [anon] lines in pmap, eg. > 7fac3a1f7000 8388608K rw---[ anon ] > see Appendix 3 below >- problem pretty widespread amongst the main open graphical applications >(evince, gvfs-fuse-daemon, gnome-keyring...) Based on the output you sent, I don't see a bug. Could you please provide more detail into what you expect vs. what you observe? Also, you should keep in mind that RAM not is use is RAM wasted. The kernel will attempt to use all of it so you shouldn't expect much free RAM in a running system. Your output indicated a lot of 'Cached' memory. 'Cached' memory is effectively free, if needed the kernel can quickly repurpose those pages of memory since they are just cache. You can't prevent the kernel from growing 'Buffers' and 'Cache'. (Buffers are another type of almost-free memory.) However, you can encourage the kernel to always get rid of buffers/cache before swapping by setting vm.swapiness to 0. I run with it set at 1; there are a number of practical situations where swapping out some application memory provides significant increase in throughput over dropping buffer/cache so I don't want to completely forbid the kernel from doing that. I agree that the default vm.swapiness of 60 is rather high. >It's the machine I'm writing from, and everything seems to work unless I >change the VM parameter overcommit_memory to 2, which causes any new process >to fail its mallocs due to excessive overcommit. I run with overcommit_memory set to 2 all the time. I suggest you set it from /etc/sysctl.conf; the system is less likely be happy with it changing after it has satisfied some allocations. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Anyone ever tried a downgrade?
On 2011-03-07 10:42:27 Toni S wrote: >Hi folks, > >I have lenny running on a headless virtual server being hosted by a >small hosting provider and now I'd like to upgrade to squeeze. > >In case of any service failures after doing 'sudo aptitude safe- >upgrade' I'd like to know some methods to smoothly revert to my >current installation. >Best would probably be to ask my hosting provider to make a disk >snapshot / disk image, but I'd like to know if there are other >possibilities. What's your experience? Did you try out something of >these: Taking a full backup is recommended by the release notes, and that is the way I did it on the VPSes I administrate. >- Using undo mechanism of aptitude (how does this work?) Aptitude has undo? >- using 'dpkg-get-selections >currentstate.txt' and 'dpkg-set- >selections - making a tar backup and restore it afterwards while the system is >running, then reboot? At the very least, shut down everything that's not required for the restore. But, that could work well. It won't clean up newly created files though. >- making small incremental upgrades of individual packages with >aptitude instead of upgrading all packages at once / test the new >service / revert to old version if necessary This is a good way to go. After testing freezes I tend to do this on my desktop and laptop as time permits. >What's your recommendation / experience for downgrade? Don't do them. Take backups and restore from them if possible. Either that or soldier through the issues with the new version(s) and get them working "enough". The upgrade didn't take me 12 hours on any system, at least not all at once. There were a couple of short clean-up sessions over the next 2 days, but nothing critical. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Problem with Squeeze upgrade
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 08:33:56 -0500 (EST), Mark Grieveson wrote: > Then I rebooted, and proceeded to to "apt-get dist-upgrade". > Here began the problems. Hello, Mark. I don't know if this is your problem, but it's worth a try. I have had fits in Squeeze due to the udisks daemon. I'll mount a CD-ROM or floppy disk, and udisks will immediately unmount it. Or vice versa. I recommend that you shutdown and reboot, DO NOT LOGIN TO GNOME, switch to a text console via Ctrl+Alt+F1, login on the text console as root, and with luck, that pesky udisks daemon will not be running. Then try your upgrade. Maybe that's what you did, and if so, then I'm barking up the wrong tree. But you don't want that pesky udisks daemon running while doing CD mounts and umounts. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1370821584.1263432.1299442176532.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: download manager
In , ZHAO Lina wrote: >On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:00 PM, >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In , ZHAO >> Lina >> wrote: >>>http://www.springerlink.com.ezlibproxy1.ntu.edu.sg/content/23j63676550n0q45/fulltext.pdf >>>This is the link, >>>which need username and password. >>>when I use kget, it's just stopped. >> >> That link actually sends you a redirect. >> [...] uses HTTP authentication. >> >> Add your username and password to the redirect URL. > >I tried, it popped up saving as login.asp. What was in login.asp? KGet might not have been able to guess the file name correctly but could have still downloaded the file. Those two operations are not really dependent on one another. But, if it didn't work, like I said, I really probably can't help you much further. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: download manager
In , ZHAO Lina wrote: >On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:41 PM, >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> On 2011-03-04 02:40:35 ZHAO Lina wrote: >> >I tried the kget. >> > >> >can it be interactive. >> >> Yes. But, I think you might try being less terse (and consequently more >> verbose). Asking questions about specific interactions will probably get >> you >> more useful information. > >http://www.springerlink.com.ezlibproxy1.ntu.edu.sg/content/23j63676550n0q45/ >fulltext.pdf This is the link, >which need username and password. >when I use kget, it's just stopped. That link actually sends you a redirect. Then, the redirect URL <https://ezproxylogin1.ntu.edu.sg/restricted/login.asp?logup=false&url=http://www.springerlink.com/content/23j63676550n0q45/fulltext.pdf> uses HTTP authentication. Add your username and password to the redirect URL like: <https://username:passw...@ezproxylogin1.ntu.edu.sg/restricted/login.asp?logup=false&url=http://www.springerlink.com/content/23j63676550n0q45/fulltext.pdf> and give that URL to KGet, hopefully that will get you the file. AFAIK, KGet does not normally prompt for or store credentials, so you have to use the URL syntax. Unfortunately, I won't be much help with troubleshooting past that point ad I don't have credentials for the NTU library. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: proffer for web server in debian 6
In , hamed
hosseini wrote:
>i am web developer and work with php and i want some idea about debian web
>server for start
Debian Squeeze has the "top 3" web servers: Apache 2, Lighttpd, Nginx. For
PHP 5 + Apache 2, just install libapache2-mod-php5 and it'll put in what is
needed. For PHP 5 on the others, you probably need php5-cgi and the daemon
plus a little bit of configuration.
I recommend Apache 2, it's a good all-around web server with a lot of features
and Debian provides a pretty awesome configuration interface for it.
a2{en,dis}{mod,site}. Later, if you find good reason, you can always switch
another web server. Usually, the amount of PHP you need to change is fairly
small.
PHP 4 is not available in a supported version of Debian. PHP 6 is not yet
available in a supported version of Debian.
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Re: Resolved issue in 2.6.32-5-686 kernel using x windows.
In <4d71a670.4030...@gmail.com>, Ryan David Larrowe wrote: > I had filed a bug report about my system not booting properly and >was unable to file it against the Debian version I was using for that >reason( it wouldn't boot ). While bugs get discussed here, they don't get reported here, nor to the get updated or closed here. There are dedicated email addresses that handle the stuff at bugs.d.o -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Kernel-building web page updated; new LILO page
I have updated my kernel-building web page. The changes include the following: o new Squeeze banner o squeeze-updates instead of debian-volatile o LILO stuff moved to a separate web page o examples switched to i386 architecture and Squeeze (instead of s390 and Lenny) o using kernel module source packages with your custom kernel that are not designed to work with kernel-package I've had several requests in the past for information regarding that last bullet point. The new LILO page is expanded from what was on the old kernel page, with more introduction, history, and troubleshooting info Kernel building web page: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm LILO page: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm All comments welcome. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1920983108.1238412.1299295046657.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: download manager
On 2011-03-04 02:40:35 ZHAO Lina wrote: >I tried the kget. > >can it be interactive. Yes. But, I think you might try being less terse (and consequently more verbose). Asking questions about specific interactions will probably get you more useful information. >such as some webs needs username and passwd for authentication, > >how to set up this? If they are using HTTP authentication, then put your username/password in the URL you give to KGet. It's like http://username:password@host/path/to/file. If they are using HTML Forms + Cookies for authentication, just login to the site with Konqueror first. Konqueror and KGet use the same cookie jar. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Semi-OT] Advice on whether a C++ book is still adequate
On 2011-03-04 04:30:22 Nuno Magalhães wrote: >What's the latest "official" "release"? ISO/IEC 14882:2003 Programming Languages -- C++ >C++02? C++03? It's not official, but the above specification is also called "C++03". It includes "TR1", which was library extensions on top of the first C++ standard. The first C++ standard was informally called "C++98". (The full name was ISO/IEC 14882:1998 Programming Languages -- C++.) >Has Boost been >"officialized"? Parts of boost were included in ISO/IEC 14882:2003, but they were moved to the "std" or "std::tr1" namespace. Like most ISO working groups, the C++ standard developers survey existing implementations to determine the what directions to take the language. However, the standardized version does not always match the behavior of your favorite implementation, even if that implementation was the originator/innovator. It is likely that a new revision of ISO/IEC 14882 comes out this year. Last time I checked, it had standardized a number of features based on the boost implementation. The also extended the language syntax in a number of ways. >What about C#? I know it's not directly related, but >how do you figure fits the picture? C# doesn't compete with C++, it competes with Java. Both C# and Java are good languages for a number of purposes. However, their object model (in particular, their inheritance model) is not as rich as C++, so there may complex systems where C++ saves the developers significant work. Managed C++ (a.k.a. C++/CLI) is more interesting. I'm not sure if MS is actively maintaining it; I know that initially it was a non-conforming variant of C++. I think the working group is actually interested in making it possible to compile standard C++ onto the CLI. That might let you use all the power of C++ from within .Net containers (Moonlight or mod_mono). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: download manager
In , hamed hosseini wrote: >i need best download manager in linux ,like Internet Download Manager in >windows? Probably don't need one. I use KGet. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Please help
In <201103040022.02781@iguanasuicide.net>, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >There is no law or decision that supports >the assertion that "Windows" is a trademark or owned by Microsoft. s/or //. >Like I said, I'd give them that word. If they want it make them take it. Er, don't hit send without proofreading. I meant: Like I said, *don't* give them that word. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Please help
In <9a3c8437-2e1b-4f25-a3ea-2cd3d3c79...@halblog.com>, Hal Vaughan wrote: >On Mar 4, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> Please don't give Microsoft the word "windows". If you mean the MS >> Windows operating system say "MS Windows". If you mean the things used >> in a windowing system (like X11) or those transparent things built into >> walls, use "windows", or "Windows" is it is the first word of a sentence. > >I wish it were true, but if it were, then Lindows wouldn't have run into >trouble for infringing on the Windows trademark owned by Microsoft. You can bring suit for just about anything. MS brought suit against Lindows. The company behind Lindows settled, prior to a legal decision, and voluntarily changed their name. There is no law or decision that supports the assertion that "Windows" is a trademark or owned by Microsoft. >You and I may say this and it may be our opinion, but until it's made clear, >legally, that it's not a trademark, it's only our opinion, and we all know >there's a big difference between opinion and fact -- no matter how much we >want our opinion to be true. Phrases are not considered trademarks "by default". Instead, phrases are considered non-trademarked until the law or a legal decision establishes them as a trademark. Like I said, I'd give them that word. If they want it make them take it. (There is an established trademark for the phrase "Microsoft Windows", use it to be clear what is being discussed.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Semi-OT] Advice on whether a C++ book is still adequate
In <4d706e9f.9050...@cox.net>, Ron Johnson wrote: >I have the dusty book "Teach Yourself C++ 4th Ed" by Al Stevens, >from... 1995 and wonder that if I go thru it will I screw myself up >because of new language features. I would ignore C++0x for now. I'm not sure if it has been published yet, but many of the new features won't be available portably for a couple of years. Instead, focus on C++98 and C++03. Neither were available at the time that book was written, so I'd probably look for a more recent reference. Prior to C++98, there was no standard[1] for the C++ language. You might also be interested in the C99 specifications -- they are not directly related to C++, but C++ is built upon some C and C99 is must more well-specified than C89 (the basis of C++98). [1] Depending on what you consider a standard. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Please help
In <20110303230321.8e7ff15c.jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com>, Jason Hsu wrote: >I may get hate-mail for saying this, but I don't recommend Debian as your >first distro. Assuming you have enough RAM (at least 512 MB, preferably 1 >GB or more), I recommend Linux Mint. It's known for being user-friendly >and accomodating to Windows users. Wrong mailing list. This list is for Debian users, not MS Windows users. Please don't give Microsoft the word "windows". If you mean the MS Windows operating system say "MS Windows". If you mean the things used in a windowing system (like X11) or those transparent things built into walls, use "windows", or "Windows" is it is the first word of a sentence. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian 6 uninstallable?
In <4d6f198b.1080...@gmail.com>, Scott Ferguson wrote: >AMD - hmmm I've had a few problems with AMD boards - if the NIC requires >forcedeth I *always* disable it in the BIOS and replace it with a card >that GNU/Linux actually supports. forcedeth is crap - I defy anyone to >get them to continuously work properly. Mine (2 on this Tyan board) have been working as well for nearly 6 years now. I've heard other stories about forcedeth not working well, but I've never even had a hiccup from mine. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian 6 uninstallable?
On 2011-03-02 15:48:43 Jason Hsu wrote: >I tried adding acpi=off, then noapic, and then noacpi. I still got the >"Error reading release file" message. > >It looks like I'll be sticking with Debian Lenny. At least I have at least >a year or two to resolve this Squeeze issue or figure out how to properly >upgrade to Squeeze. Upgrading to Squeeze doesn't require release media at all. It requires reading the release notes, which will walk you through updating your source.list, doing an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade dance, and cleaning up afterward. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On 2011-03-02 09:04:20 Andrew McGlashan wrote: >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> I do believe a Free Software system should be as easy to use as MS Windows >> for "Joe Sixpack" and "Jane Boxwine". This might already be the case; it >> is really hard for me to judge. I've been programming since I was 5 and >> a fan of UNIX and UNIX-like systems since I first used one. > >Out of interest, how old are you now then? I'm nearing 31, but I mostly still act 25. :P My first exposure to UNIX-like systems wasn't until my early teens, but I didn't really get to dive in until I was 18. It still took me quite a while to move to Linux. My first adventure into Slackware was fun, but I eventually broke things beyond what I could fix and re-installed NT Workstation. We all experiment in college don't we... Toward the end of 2004, I was emboldened by finding a group of friends that had more Linux experience and did a Gentoo install (stage1!) on my already aging PII-450. I never looked back though. I've not licensed MS Windows since then, even for my laptop. I got a little disenchanted with Gentoo at some point; I decided I was spending too much time administrating my system and not enough time using it. (Possibly not Gentoo's fault, but it felt like a lot of that time was fighting with emerge / paludis.) I started Debian with Etch. My laptop has had a number of installs on it. I remember an adventure into Fedora before it had a two-digit version. I ran openSUSE to some joy for a little over a year. Ubuntu is what it shipped with. I still keep coming back to Debian, partially for consistency. What advantages the others have just never made up for the lack of familiarity. Ubuntu is definitely a close second; anything without the interactive resolver from aptitude is a lesser OS. However, I prefer the "It's done when it's done" attitude around Debian releases, rather than the time-based releases of Ubuntu. I've familiarized myself enough with APT to be able to get new software if stable doesn't meant my needs, but that's not often required except for -dev packages for my own projects. ...and evidently I like talking about myself. :( -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: NTP-Server no longer available in Squeeze?
In <4d6dbfcb.2030...@gmail.com>, Jimmy Johnson wrote: >John Hasler wrote: >> Jimmy Johnson writes: >>> Instead of the 'ntp' server what you probably want is 'ntpdate' >>> installed... >> >> Ntpdate is deprecated. > >I appreciate your post and it's not the first time mentioned, I've been >using ntpdate for many years and still do with KDE, so I don't >understand the problem, ntpdate gets the time from a Internet server and >sets my clock, I don't need to install a server to do that. So what is >the problem? Most computers have a decided skew in their clock speed, so that they need to be constantly adjusted to retain the correct time. Setting this time once only gives the perception of accuracy. VMs are even worse; if their clock doesn't run 3x as fast or 3x as slow it changes speed unpredictably. I use openntpd with the -s startup option. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On 2011-03-01 13:28:43 teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: >On an alternate point, I don't believe in ubuntu's bug number 1 mentality. > >I don't believe all windows users should be converted, if they are to lazy >to learn basic administration leave them on windows, don't dilute the linux >gene pool. Bug 1 isn't about converting *all* MS Windows users. It is about reducing the MS Windows marketshare to an acceptable level. In particular, making sure that Free Software is adequately represented in the market so that when I go to buy new gear I can actually find something acceptable in my local area. Currently, if I want a new desktop with Free Software pre-installed, I must seek out the Internet. (Or buy a recycled one from the local Free Geek; none of which meet my minimum specifications.) I do believe a Free Software system should be as easy to use as MS Windows for "Joe Sixpack" and "Jane Boxwine". This might already be the case; it is really hard for me to judge. I've been programming since I was 5 and a fan of UNIX and UNIX-like systems since I first used one. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Command line: How do you keep the output from scrolling out of sight?
On 2011-03-01 10:59:32 Jason Hsu wrote: >I know that I'm supposed to use the messages I see every time I enter a >command for troubleshooting purposes. But if the output is too long, then >the first messages scroll out of sight, and that makes it impossible to >properly troubleshoot when I don't know what I'm doing. Is there a way to >get the output to temporarily stop so I can read it all if I wish? less / more / pg for interactive viewing. redirection / tee for persisting output and reviewing both now and later. script for saving both input and output with the ability to reply the session. HTH -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: tc user mailing list?
On 2011-03-01 09:29:21 Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >I am looking for a mailing list to discuss about tc, to manage priority >and bandwidth. > >Would you the the best choice? I can't make any really good suggestions. You might find some people using it on this list; probably a few more (by %) than on a Fedora, OpenSUSE, or Ubuntu list, just because Debian "defaults" to have you manage devices more intimately than those distributions. Still, not many people use tc directly, they usually going for a traffic-shaping firewall application or whole distribution. Maybe the developer list for one of those firewall-only distributions? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: How do I get this dialog back?
On 2011-03-01 08:52:04 Igor Sverkos wrote: >http://f.666kb.com/i/breb9xzqa8abc1ls7.jpg > >I am asking myself, how do I get this dialog back again (for example, >when I want to add another service, which should be restarted, when libc >got updated...). It should actually prompt you next time as well. Its using the debconf interface, but I don't believe this actually gets persisted in the debconf database and reused on later installs. You could always try (dpkg-reconfigure libc6) as root, though. That should re-ask all the questions for values stored in the debconf database for that package. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
In <4d6cc452.8040...@cox.net>, Ron Johnson wrote: >That's even better than Debian Stable, which only fixes *security* bugs. Check release.d.o, again. Stable (and Oldstable) are updates with "important" bug fixes AND security updates. This is generally interpreted that RC bugs affecting stable/oldstable should be fixed. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
In <1826992189-1298976361-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-511436955- @bda023.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: >The problem with Ubuntu is [...] You clearly have issues with Ubuntu and are willing to abuse facts to make them look bad. LTS releases are every 18 months, which is faster than the majority of Debian releases. They are also supported longer after release (at least on the sever) than Debian stable. Ubuntu releases are derived from unstable, not testing. Their release are stable in the sense of "unchanging"; they don't wait for the RC bug count to get to 0, so on release day things can be quite... "half-baked"... yes, but they usually address issues quickly using the -updates mechanism which is like a "rolling" point release. I prefer Debian over Ubuntu, but I think that Ubuntu does good things for Free Software in general. I've not tried Mint, but I'm not interested in using anything that is less free than Debian main, and many "desktop-oriented" and "multimedia-centric" distributions in the past (including Ubuntu) have not paid quite as much attention to DFSG-freeness as I would like. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
In <1298971940.24313.59.ca...@denise.theartistscloset.com>, John A. Sullivan
III wrote:
>On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 11:23 +0200, Eero Volotinen wrote:
>> UBuntu lts is now very attractive to desktops, because of long support
>> and it is also possible to buy support from canonical.
>
>That's what we first thought but it may not be what you expect. We
>assumed that LTS meant that applications would be refreshed to the
>latest versions and new applications would be added.
That's not support. That's development.
>If I recall
>correctly, that is not true. LTS will patch bugs but will not introduce
>major applications updates or new applications.
Yes, just like the support in a Debian stable. Important bugs are fixed,
otherwise the software is unchanging ("stable") to prevent hidden
incompatibilities from causing problems to you of other users.
You can't introduce new upstream versions and not expect things to break.
Even well-tested security patches have introduced regressions before. Keeping
the software unchanging when possible is the first step toward preventing
breakage.
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Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
In , Eero Volotinen wrote: >UBuntu lts is now very attractive to desktops, because of long support >and it is also possible to buy support from canonical. An Ubuntu LTS gets 3 years of support on desktops. Etch had longer support. Lenny will have one week less. You can buy Debian support from a number of companies. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Sorting by date
On 2011-02-28 15:40:18 Ron Johnson wrote: >On 02/28/2011 03:25 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> On Monday 28 February 2011 14:35:26 erikmccaskey64 wrote: >>> Original: >>> Jan 23 2011 10:42 SOMETHING 2007.12.20.avi >>> Jun 26 2009 SOMETHING 2009.06.25.avi >>> Feb 12 2010 SOMETHING 2010.02.11.avi >>> Jan 29 2011 09:17 SOMETHING 2011.01.27.avi >>> Feb 11 2011 20:06 SOMETHING 2011.02.10.avi >>> Feb 27 2011 23:05 SOMETHING 2011.02.24.avi >>> >>> >>> Output: >>> Feb 27 2011 23:05 SOMETHING 2011.02.24.avi >>> Feb 11 2011 20:06 SOMETHING 2011.02.10.avi >>> Jan 29 2011 09:17 SOMETHING 2011.01.27.avi >>> Jan 23 2011 10:42 SOMETHING 2007.12.20.avi >>> Feb 12 2010 SOMETHING 2010.02.11.avi >>> Jun 26 2009 SOMETHING 2009.06.25.avi >>> >>> >>> How could I get the output where the newest file is at the top? >> >> First, pre-process the original to use ISO-standard date format: %Y-%m-%d. >> That's 4-digit year, dash, 2-digit month, dash, 2-digit day. >> >> Now, (LC_ALL=C sort< input.pp> output.pp) will give you things sorted. >> Reverse the pre-processing to have "pretty" dates if you like. > >That's an awful lot of effort when ls has a "sort by date" argument. Perhaps this isn't the output of ls? Perhaps instead this is copy-and-pasted output from the web interface of a video monitoring appliance that requires moonlight to use? If the OP just wanted the output for ls sorted, why not just ask for that instead of giving us examples that don't look like the output of ls. (Yeah, GNU ls can probably look like that with a command-line full of options, but it's not one of the few UNIX ls output styles.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.
On Monday 28 February 2011 15:02:51 shawn wilson wrote: > On Feb 28, 2011 3:37 PM, "Ron Johnson" wrote: > > On 02/28/2011 02:29 PM, Celejar wrote: > > [snip] > > > >> Shawn: I've noticed that all your emails seem to include the quoting > >> carat '>' on the first line of your response. Is your editor > >> misconfigured? > > > > gmail misconfigured?? > > Gmail any way it comes. All of my email has been in the cloud for the last > decade. > > But, just curious is there an 'ap guideline' for proper mailing list > submissions somewhere? I don't think I'm going to be able to change gmail > but I'd like to know when something is foobar all the same. There's only one standard that comes quoting rules. It is the RFC that covers the text/plain option format=flowed. Unfortunately, it doesn't really cover the practicalities of the issue, in particular spaces in between right-angle- brackets confuses the algorithm provided. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good article about posting styles. This mailing list doesn't have official policy. But, the majority seem to use and prefer trimmed, interleaved replies with trimmed, bottom-posted coming in second and trimmed, top-posting coming in third. TOFU (Top-posted Over Full- quoted Under), which seems to be a favorite in certain corporate environments is frowned upon. For mailing lists and back-and-forth exchanges, the trimmed, interleaved style makes a lot of sense. For other environments, it may not be correct. Note that a mailer that encourages trimmed, interleaved replies populates the message window with the full reply and starts you cursor at the *top* of it, so you can move down through the message trimming or inserting your reply as needed. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Sorting by date
On Monday 28 February 2011 14:35:26 erikmccaskey64 wrote: > Original: > Jan 23 2011 10:42 SOMETHING 2007.12.20.avi > Jun 26 2009 SOMETHING 2009.06.25.avi > Feb 12 2010 SOMETHING 2010.02.11.avi > Jan 29 2011 09:17 SOMETHING 2011.01.27.avi > Feb 11 2011 20:06 SOMETHING 2011.02.10.avi > Feb 27 2011 23:05 SOMETHING 2011.02.24.avi > > > Output: > Feb 27 2011 23:05 SOMETHING 2011.02.24.avi > Feb 11 2011 20:06 SOMETHING 2011.02.10.avi > Jan 29 2011 09:17 SOMETHING 2011.01.27.avi > Jan 23 2011 10:42 SOMETHING 2007.12.20.avi > Feb 12 2010 SOMETHING 2010.02.11.avi > Jun 26 2009 SOMETHING 2009.06.25.avi > > > How could I get the output where the newest file is at the top? First, pre-process the original to use ISO-standard date format: %Y-%m-%d. That's 4-digit year, dash, 2-digit month, dash, 2-digit day. Now, (LC_ALL=C sort < input.pp > output.pp) will give you things sorted. Reverse the pre-processing to have "pretty" dates if you like. (One of the big reasons I tell almost everything on my computer to use ISO standard date strings is because they string sort the same way they date sort.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Monday 28 February 2011 14:42:41 John A. Sullivan III wrote: > That is ultimately what led us to Debian. It has been our first major > experience with Debian and we have been quite pleased with it as the > best balance for a desktop OS thus far when we combine stable, > backports, and occasional bits from testing with a well designed > preferences file. Very, very interested in other thoughts - John I run multiple Debian systems that have stable/testing/unstable/experimental and all the add-ons volatile/backports/security/updates/proposed updates. I use a preference file that keeps me with stable+security+volatile/updates mostly and for the times when I want something out of one of the other repositories tracks upgrades so that I get security updates in a timely manner. I use unattanded-upgrades with a lightly massaged configuration, one custom one-line cronjob, logcheck plus a tiny bit of custom logcheck rules, and a good tripwire policy to keep them up-to-date and provide baseline reporting. It would take some effort, but not much, to extend this to 100 systems. At that point, a new stable release would take a lot of effort to manage. Throw in nagios and a bunch of custom rules, determine a process for managing the stable upgrade including more automation, tie all of that into a ticketing system that includes a mass of scripts to pre-analyze the reports and will reduce communication overhead (since you'll need more that 3 administrators at that point) and you can probably scale to 1000, maybe more depending on how similar the systems are. Administrators will be remote for virtually all of these systems, have a plan for accessing each system when it's primary network connectivity is down and going no-site if absolutely necessary. Beyond that point, the number of administrators gets too large, and you'll certainly start running to to too many slightly different configurations / configuration sets. Specialization and division of responsibility are key here, and SELinux or AppArmor should be added to the environment to enforce divisions of responsibility so no one team is stepping on another. Debian security is good, but your organization likely has quite a large vulnerability cross section; your own security team should be doing active penetration testing on your own systems, monitoring disclosures, and helping the Debian security team, particularly testing fixes to see if they introduce regressions and testing exploits to see if they affect (your) Debian systems. At all stages, particularly when using Debian, your administration staff needs to be encouraged to interact with the community around issues they encounter and to contribute as much as possible so that your system diverge as little as possible from the well-tested releases. Even if your business is software, it is unlikely to be providing a UNIX-like OS; whatever "IP" is produced by your administration stuff is not a competitive advantage in your market, so it is better to share and integrate it than it is to maintain it on your own. Many FLOSS projects are slightly averse to breaking someone's working setup if they know it exists and contributors will often provide backwards compatibility and/or detailed migration instructions if they know there's a need for it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
On Monday 28 February 2011 13:47:23 Jason Hsu wrote: > For those of you who have helped a company or organization migrate from > Windows to Linux or from one Linux distro to another, what is your > preference? The only time I've been involved in such a project it was from a hetrogenous AIX/HP-UX/NCR(legacy) environment to a hetrogenous AIX/HP-UX/NCR(legacy)/SLES environment. I would have recommended Debian instead, but I wasn't consulted. SLES allows them to mostly operate in the same manner, as they were previously, though. A shift to Debian would have required them to take a more active role in OS issue diagnosis and remediation, but they have sufficient technical staff to do so. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Migrate debian etch to virtual machine (vmware)
On Monday 28 February 2011 05:58:30 Márcio Luciano Donada wrote: > Hi People > Physically I'm running a debian server 4 for the e-mail, but I'm having > problems to use the tool to perform VM virtualization. I wonder if there > is another way to virtualize this machine, do some kind of backup so you > can import it in vmware. Does anyone have any tips that might help? Etch is likely to be growing a number of security issues, since it hasn't had support for about a year. I wonder if you are using a vulnerable version of exim that exposes you to direct "rooting" from anyone that can connect to your SMTP server. Your kernel (even if it is the Etch-and-half version) probably has some locale privilege escalation attacks, which could be important depending on who other service you provide or vulnerabilities you suffer. Don't do anything with this system until you upgrade it to Lenny, at least. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release
In <20110227153610.36fdb...@resin17.mta.everyone.net>,
pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
>2011-02-27 09:04:28 1Ptj6i-0004BD-8e failed to expand "<; ${if
>exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/e
>tc/exim/passwd.client{$host_address}}}{}}"while check
>ing a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for linear
>search: Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)
>2011-02-27 10:56:51 1PtkrT-gF-5a failed to expand "<; ${if
>exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}
>{${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}
>}}{}}"while checking a list: failed to open
>/etc/exim4/passwd.client for linear search: Permission denied
>(euid=102 egid=104)
"Permission denied". Check your permissions on /etc/exim4/passwd.client.
Make sure it is readable by the user or group that exim runs as.
If you can't figure it out, run these and post the output:
ps -ef | grep -i exim
ls -l /etc/exim4/passwd.client
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Re: How do I tel SSL to trust a certificate?
In <4d6ac759.1000...@gmail.com>, Marc Shapiro wrote: >I am trying to access my work computer from home using the Citrix >client. First, I connect to the companies web-site and log in. I >navigate from there to a link for remote login. On selecting that, I >should be presented with a login for my computer at work. This has >worked in the past, but I am now getting the following error: > >You have not chosen to trust "VeriSign 3 Public Primary Certification >Authority - G3", the issuer of the server's security certificate (SSL >error 61). ICA Client, despite having an unofficial Debian package, is not well- integrated into Debian. Instead of using the standard directory tree under /usr/share/ca-certificates, it has its own little certificate store. Install (or symlink) .crt files into /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts and complain to Citrix. I could probably fix their package, but I'd be unable to distribute it. I can certainly cover the common case without even seeing their source. (A simple GNU find command to symlink /usr/share/ca- certificates/**/*.crt under /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts.) HTH -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: bash variables
In <20110228004108.GA3922@playground>, Mike McClain wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:45:27PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20110225222127.GA1996@playground>, Mike McClain wrote:
>> >This only bites me once in a while but when it does it can be very
>> >frustrating so any hints / tips are welcome.
>>
>> FOO="stuff 'with' qu\"otes"
>> echo $FOO
>> echo stuff 'with' qu\"otes
>>
>> Yes, quote removal happens after parameter expansion, but it only removes
>> quotes that existed before expansion. So, your find and grep are choking
>> on quotes.
>
>Yes, I'm afraid you're right, they do choke on quotes,
>too many it appears.
>
>root@/deb40a:~> set -x
>root@/deb40a:~> VAR='boo "*"'; echo $VAR
>+ VAR=boo "*"
>+ echo boo '"*"'
>boo "*"
>
>root@/deb40a:~> VAR="boo '*'"; echo $VAR
>+ VAR=boo '*'
>+ echo boo ''\''*'\'''
>boo '*'
>
>Any idea why bash would put extra quotes around a quoted term
>in a variable upon expansion?
Bash is not adding quotes.[1] It is failing to remove them. If you really
want to understand what is happening, install the susv2 or susv3 packages
from contrib and read the section "Shell Command Language". Particularly the
expansions does by the shell at various times.
When you enter:
find -name "*"
at the bash prompt, it goes through a number of steps and then makes the C
call:
execv("/usr/bin/find", { "find", "-name", "*" });
It has removed the quotes around the asterisk before sending it to the
command. The quotes prevented bash from expanding the asterisk into a list
of (non-dot) files in the current directory.
When you enter:
FIND='find -name "*"'
at the bash prompt, it (almost) makes the C call:
setenv("FIND", "find -name \"*\"", 1);
Again it removed the (outer) quotes, which were preventing its normal
behavior of ending the variable value at the first blank. Then later when
you enter:
$FIND
it goes through the same steps and makes the C call:
execv("/usr/bin/find", { "find", "-name", "\"*\"" });
It did not remove the quotes because they were not originally present in the
input, instead the were the result of another expansion.
[1] Okay, bash is adding quotes in the trace output, but that's a visual
debugging aid, to help advanced users count the exact number of arguments
passed into the called command. The called command doesn't see them.
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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian
In , shawn wilson wrote: >On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In <4d685bbb.2010...@gmail.com>, Aaron Toponce wrote: >> >More garbage. There are _many_ good reasons to reboot a UNIX or >> >GNU/Linux server: >> > >> >* Forcing applications to use the new libraries. >> >> Poor reason; I've never found an application that needed a reboot to fix >> this. (Yes, you need to restart the application, but not the OS.) > >lets look at this for a second. lets look at the libraries that init uses: telinit u The exec* family of functions always opens a file based on path so they will get the new /sbin/init binary. Because of the way the linker works, this will also pick up new versions of dynamically linked libraries. >> >* Ensuring all hardware is still in good, working order. >> >> Good reason. >> >iirc, if the device was made properly, when you reload a driver, it will >reboot the device. Can the caps on my MB hold through another boot? What about the various devices between the kernel and RAM, the filesystem holding '/', and any swap devices? >> >* Even modifying partitions or filesystems to accommodate new storage >> >> needs. >> >> I've done quite a bit of this live. LVM is good stuff. Sound be in most >> environments. > >on a default debian install, there is no extra space to resize lvm. Shrink one of your file systems and use the extra space. I don't use default Debian paritioning anyway. / /home /opt /var /srv /usr /usr/local /tmp /var/tmp /var/cache are all separate file systems on non-VPS systems I control. Even with just /, swap, and /home, you can unmount and shrink home to grow /. Even "venerable" ext3 has the ability to grow while mounted. (btrfs and zfs can shirnk while mounted!) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release
In <20110227105102.36f21...@resin14.mta.everyone.net>, pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: >size="2">Some background [...] >file, http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian Wiki participation..?
In , Peter Tynan wrote: >I'm not signing up for another mailing list just to make a >single post Most Debian mailing lists do not require subscription in order to post. Most users of Debian mailing lists will honor a request to be CC'd on replies, as instructed in the code of conduct. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: bash variables
In <20110225222127.GA1996@playground>, Mike McClain wrote: >This only bites me once in a while but when it does it can be very >frustrating so any hints / tips are welcome. FOO="stuff 'with' qu\"otes" echo $FOO echo stuff 'with' qu\"otes Yes, quote removal happens after parameter expansion, but it only removes quotes that existed before expansion. So, your find and grep are choking on quotes. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian Squeeze Dovecot Sieve
In <1298740005.3781.4.camel@michael-laptop>, Michael wrote: >Anyone got any pointers on installing sieve on Squeeze? The sieve plugin to dovecot is included in the Debian packaging. I used cmusieve with dovecot in Lenny (through Debian packaging) and I upgrade that system to Squeeze and migrated to dovecot's native sieve earlier this month. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: dhcpd tftp boot server configuration
In <20110225224107.36ea4...@resin06.mta.everyone.net>, urpion urpion wrote: >Hello! I need [...] >declaration?here's what I got in >/etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf## Sample >configuration file for ISC dhcpd for >Debian### The I can't understand you through the HTML. Also, it is against list policy to post in HTML. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
