[OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote:
>
>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface,
>
> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite
> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my
> password was rejected.
I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine
from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been
using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long
time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my
getmailrc-gmail
[retriever]
type = SimpleIMAPRetriever
server = imap.google.com
username = bahuroopi
password = mypassword
[destination]
type = MDA_external
path = /usr/bin/procmail
arguments = ("-f", "%(sender)", "-m", "$HOME/.procmailrc")
However i get the following error:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.getmail$ getmail -n -r getmailrc-gmail
getmail version 4.7.8
Copyright (C) 1998-2007 Charles Cazabon. Licensed under the GNU GPL version 2.
SimpleIMAPRetriever:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:143:
getmailrc-gmail: error resolving name ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
0 messages (0 bytes) retrieved, 0 skipped
If i change to SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever, i get the error:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.getmail$ getmail -n -r getmailrc-gmail
getmail version 4.7.8
Copyright (C) 1998-2007 Charles Cazabon. Licensed under the GNU GPL version 2.
SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:993:
getmailrc-gmail: error resolving name ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
0 messages (0 bytes) retrieved, 0 skipped
Any pointers appreciated.
TIA.
Arvind
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Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote:
>>
>>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface,
>>
>> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite
>> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my
>> password was rejected.
>
> I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine
> from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been
> using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long
> time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my
> getmailrc-gmail
>
> [retriever]
> type = SimpleIMAPRetriever
> server = imap.google.com
> username = bahuroopi
> password = mypassword
>
> [destination]
> type = MDA_external
> path = /usr/bin/procmail
> arguments = ("-f", "%(sender)", "-m", "$HOME/.procmailrc")
oops! It should have been "imap.gmail.com" and not "imap.google.com" -
sorry for the noise.
Arvind
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Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: >> >> >>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, >>> >> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite >> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my >> password was rejected. >> > > I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine > from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been > using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long > time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my > getmailrc-gmail > > [retriever] > type = SimpleIMAPRetriever > server = imap.google.com > username = bahuroopi > Besides the server problem which you have already noted, the login should be the full e-mail '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. -- Mencken and Nathan's Fifteenth Law of The Average American: The worst actress in the company is always the manager's wife. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:03:41AM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, > >>> > >> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite > >> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my > >> password was rejected. > >> > > > > I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine > > from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been > > using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long > > time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my > > getmailrc-gmail > > > > [retriever] > > type = SimpleIMAPRetriever > > server = imap.google.com > > username = bahuroopi > > > > Besides the server problem which you have already noted, the login > should be the full e-mail '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Doesn't seem to make a difference either way. Arvind ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. No, you won't Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > No, you won't But i did get it. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:28 +0530 "Arvind Marathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine > from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been Have you tried POP? > Arvind Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > No, you won't > > But i did get it. That's strange. Maybe because you use IMAP? I will have to investigate. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > No, you won't > > But i did get it. Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:01:03AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > But i did get it. > > That's strange. Maybe because you use IMAP? I will have to investigate. Yes, i have "type = SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever" in my getmailrc file. But i do not know if that is the cause for the difference in behaviour. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 04:42:19PM +0530, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:18:29AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > > > But i did get it. > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > No. Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:18:29AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > But i did get it. > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? No. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 04:48:00PM +0530, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 04:42:19PM +0530, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:18:29AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to > > > > > > get > > > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > > > > > But i did get it. > > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > No. > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > Arvind > I am a bit late to this thread...I have getmail, procmail, msmpt, mutt I have setup the pop in the gmail. This is what I have in getmail [options] verbose = 1 delete = false [retriever] type = SimplePOP3SSLRetriever server = pop.gmail.com username = [EMAIL PROTECTED] password = yourpassword port = 995 [destination] type = MDA_external path = /usr/bin/procmail unixfrom = True I have no problems getting my mail. Change the "delete=true" if you don't want to keep messages on gmail. -- Alexander J.M. Linux 2.6.18-6-686 i686 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
[Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > No. > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how often you pull the mail from gmail. I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To]
>
> On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote:
>
> > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else.
> > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers.
>
> I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc
> (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how
> often you pull the mail from gmail.
Here is the entire file. Nothing is changed except the password.
[retriever]
type = SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever
server = imap.gmail.com
username = bahuroopi
password = mypassword
move_on_delete = mail.deleted
mailboxes = ("INBOX", \
"Debian-users", \
"Mutt-users", \
"AMBER-users", \
"TeX-users",\
"TUGIndia")
[destination]
type = MDA_external
path = /usr/bin/procmail
arguments = ("-f", "%(sender)", "-m", "$HOME/.procmailrc")
I haven't specified "delete" or "delete_after", so it keeps it on the
server by default. Also i haven't specified "read_all", but my getmail
cron job runs as 'getmail -n', so it pulls only the new mail. The
getmail cron job runs every 10 minutes.
>
> I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first.
Do share it after testing.
Arvind
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Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > > > No. > > > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc > (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how > often you pull the mail from gmail. > > I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. Also i hope you realised exactly why i said "No" to the list-header question in my first reply. I saw your mail, checked the headers for that mail. It had my id as "cc", so did not have the list headers. So i replied "No". Next i checked few other mails and found that mails that did not have my address as "cc" did have the list headers. Hence my second reply above. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:07:31, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > > > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > > > I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc > > (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how > > often you pull the mail from gmail. > > > > I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. > > Also i hope you realised exactly why i said "No" to the list-header > question in my first reply. I saw your mail, checked the headers for > that mail. It had my id as "cc", so did not have the list headers. So > i replied "No". Next i checked few other mails and found that mails > that did not have my address as "cc" did have the list headers. Hence > my second reply above. I'm still not 100% sure you understood what I was asking. What I would like to know is if you receive *your own postings* and if these postings have the mailing list headers. Regards, Andrei P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:07:31, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] > > > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > > > > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > > > > > I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc > > > (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how > > > often you pull the mail from gmail. > > > > > > I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. > > > > Also i hope you realised exactly why i said "No" to the list-header > > question in my first reply. I saw your mail, checked the headers for > > that mail. It had my id as "cc", so did not have the list headers. So > > i replied "No". Next i checked few other mails and found that mails > > that did not have my address as "cc" did have the list headers. Hence > > my second reply above. > > I'm still not 100% sure you understood what I was asking. What I would > like to know is if you receive *your own postings* and if these postings > have the mailing list headers. Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > Regards, > Andrei > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam" ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems of my spam filter. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:58:28, Arvind Marathe wrote: > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to > correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread > "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam" > ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems > of my spam filter. This has nothing to do with your spam filter. Check the settings in your .muttrc (see my other mail as well). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > No i'm not. You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this line in your headers: Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org I have manually cancelled the cc in this posting. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > No i'm not. > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > line in your headers: > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > debian-user@lists.debian.org Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:15:56, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > line in your headers: > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be something that you did :) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 01:03:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:58:28, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? No. > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to > > correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread > > "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam" > > ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems > > of my spam filter. > > This has nothing to do with your spam filter. Check the settings in your > .muttrc (see my other mail as well). Corrected (I hope). See my other mail. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
The Monday 28 July 2008 15:45:56 Arvind Marathe, you wrote : > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > line in your headers: > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Arvind > > -- > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so you made the good manipulation. Regards -- Thomas Preud'homme Why debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 19:15:56 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > line in your headers: > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. Yes, that has fixed it. As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] but no separate mailing-lists file. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:46:47, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > No. Well, this explains it all :) gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it lets you have it. Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'. I think (haven't tested) it might be possible to trick gmail by deleting all trace of the sent message before it returns via the list. Whether this is feasible or even possible (they might have a database with mail-ids) I don't know. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:39:55PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:15:56, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > > line in your headers: > > > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > something that you did :) The education continues ;) Well i had my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should disappear now. Anything else? :) Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:01:19PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:46:47, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > > > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > > > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > > > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > > > No. > > Well, this explains it all :) gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it > lets you have it. > > Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not > receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for > sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail > address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'. I think i understand what you are saying. Just for curiosity, would there be any advantage for me in having gmail for sending mail? I use a desktop, not a laptop, which will always be sitting at my workplace. I have configured exim right now to use my departments mail server as smarthost for outgoing mail. That works both for my gmail and my workplace mail. I don't know whether one can configure separate outgoing hosts for different profiles in mutt, and as i said above, whether there would be any advantage in doing that, in my case. > > I think (haven't tested) it might be possible to trick gmail by deleting > all trace of the sent message before it returns via the list. Whether > this is feasible or even possible (they might have a database with > mail-ids) I don't know. In my case, perhaps the current situation is desirable. I get my own mail as part of the mailing list thread (ofcourse that happens even when i send through the web interface, only when i send through mutt, it saves no copy in gmail's sent-mail), and the mail also gets through getmail into my local machine. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 14:58:58, Bob Cox wrote: > As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc > > lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > but no separate mailing-lists file. That's irrelevant: $ ls .mutt/*muttrc alias_muttrc bind_muttrc color_muttrc folders_muttrc muttrc You can have as many files as you like and with whatever name (I'm using _muttrc scheme in order to take advantage on vim's syntax) as long as you 'source' them in either ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/muttrc: $ grep source .mutt/muttrc source ~/.mutt/folders_muttrc source ~/.mutt/bind_muttrc source ~/.mutt/alias_muttrc source ~/.mutt/color_muttrc This is useful if your muttrc is getting big: $ grep -v '^$\|^#' .mutt/*muttrc | wc -l 98 Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:58:58PM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 19:15:56 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > > line in your headers: > > > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Yes, that has fixed it. > > As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc > > lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > but no separate mailing-lists file. Hmm. So why does sourcing a mailing-lists file with only the first line above cause mutt to add the Mail-Followup-To header? There is nothing else in my .muttrc that seems relevant for this. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > The Monday 28 July 2008 15:45:56 Arvind Marathe, you wrote : > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > > line in your headers: > > > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > Arvind > > > > -- > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this > email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so > you made the good manipulation. Thanks :-) -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so >> you made the good manipulation. >> > > Thanks :-) While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the future. :-) -- If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. -- Linus Torvalds Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as > > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > > something that you did :) > > The education continues ;) Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs. > Well i had > my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should > disappear now. It did. > Anything else? :) Well, there is... just kidding :) I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is good for. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:22:36, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > > > > > No. > > > > Well, this explains it all :) gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it > > lets you have it. > > > > Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not > > receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for > > sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail > > address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'. > > I think i understand what you are saying. Just for curiosity, would > there be any advantage for me in having gmail for sending mail? I use > a desktop, not a laptop, which will always be sitting at my workplace. > I have configured exim right now to use my departments mail server as > smarthost for outgoing mail. That works both for my gmail and my > workplace mail. I don't know whether one can configure separate > outgoing hosts for different profiles in mutt, and as i said above, > whether there would be any advantage in doing that, in my case. I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't want to use that address). For receiving I switched to my ISP's server because it was faster than gmail. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 11:28:40, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > > > >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with > >> this > >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't > >> so > >> you made the good manipulation. > >> > > > > Thanks :-) > > While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The > date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the > future. :-) Heh, I missed that one :P Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
The Monday 28 July 2008 16:31:20 Andrei Popescu, you wrote : > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it > > > as a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > > > something that you did :) > > > > The education continues ;) > > Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs. > > > Well i had > > my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should > > disappear now. > > It did. > > > Anything else? :) > > Well, there is... just kidding :) > > I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with > the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane > defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to > make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there > are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of > comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is > good for. > > Regards, > Andrei I do exactly the opposite when I know what I want because defaults can change. When I don't know for an option I let the default set but when I do want one behaviour and not another I set the option even if it's already the default value. Regards -- Thomas Preud'homme Why debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:28:40AM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > > > >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with > >> this > >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't > >> so > >> you made the good manipulation. > >> > > > > Thanks :-) > > While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The > date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the > future. :-) I am aware of that. Long back, i tried to change that using tzselect and found that the 'Asia/Kolkata' timezone, which i ought to use, is ~30 min in the future. I tested it again right now, and the problem persists. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:31:20PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as > > > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > > > something that you did :) > > > > The education continues ;) > > Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs. > > > Well i had > > my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should > > disappear now. > > It did. > > > Anything else? :) > > Well, there is... just kidding :) > > I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with > the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane > defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to > make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there > are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of > comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is > good for. I too try to stick with the defaults mostly. I didn't have any my_hdr Rely-to: before. Two days back, when i tried to configure gmail in mutt, along with my workplace email id, i tried to cook up two profiles - some online helpfile had these header, so i added it. Also IIRC, some online help had instruction to 'tell' mutt about the mailing lists, hence i added the mailing-lists file and sourced it in .muttrc. While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of your own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you have a hook) and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know Andrei does not have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy for him but what about the others?) Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:27:33, Arvind Marathe wrote: > While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of your > own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you have a hook) > and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know Andrei does not > have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy for him but what > about the others?) Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:33:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:27:33, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of your > > own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you have a hook) > > and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know Andrei does not > > have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy for him but what > > about the others?) > > Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different > address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? Perhaps i was not clear. When i write a mail to d-u, (say this mail for example), the copy obviously gets stored in "sent-mail" by default. After some time, i get another copy of the same mail, since i am subscribed to d-u. (In your case, gmail does not send you copies of your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies of my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:45:54, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different > > address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? > > Perhaps i was not clear. When i write a mail to d-u, (say this mail > for example), the copy obviously gets stored in "sent-mail" by > default. After some time, i get another copy of the same mail, since i > am subscribed to d-u. (In your case, gmail does not send you copies of > your own mails to d-u). But my gmail address is *not subscribed* to this list. I have *another* address where I receive all list mail. > I don't see the point in having two copies of > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. I think 'unset copy' in your muttrc will do what you want. Personally I don't mind having another copy in the sent folder. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:24:18PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:45:54, Arvind Marathe wrote: [...snip...] > > I don't see the point in having two copies of > > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > I think 'unset copy' in your muttrc will do what you want. Personally I > don't mind having another copy in the sent folder. Thanks - will investigate. I was under the impression it does not save copy of any email i sent. I was thinking more in terms of auto-deleting mails sent specifically to mailing lists, i am subscribed to - some sort of hook. Or more sophisticatedly, deleting the sent-mail copy, once the mailing list copy arrives. One thing i can think of is to save the "sent-mail" copy in the debian-user folder and write a script to do a periodic 'D ~='. Will try it sometime, unless somebody has a better suggestion. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:45:54 +0530 Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Arvind, > your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies of > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. Some ML software (Mailman, for example) allows you to set whether or not you receive copies of your own posts. Unfortunately, d-u doesn't appear to be run on such software so you'll have to work out a method of quietly deleting copies of your posts to d-u when they get echoed back to you. Some sort of filter(0) that matches From & To , for example. (0) That's what they're called in Claws-Mail, I don't know whether Mutt uses the same terminology. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Keep your drink just give em the money U & Ur Hand - Pink signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 23:50:39 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:24:18PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:45:54, Arvind Marathe wrote: > [...snip...] > > > I don't see the point in having two copies of > > > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > > > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > > > I think 'unset copy' in your muttrc will do what you want. Personally I > > don't mind having another copy in the sent folder. > > Thanks - will investigate. I was under the impression it does not save > copy of any email i sent. I was thinking more in terms of auto-deleting > mails sent specifically to mailing lists, i am subscribed to - some > sort of hook. Or more sophisticatedly, deleting the sent-mail copy, > once the mailing list copy arrives. One thing i can think of is to > save the "sent-mail" copy in the debian-user folder and write a script > to do a periodic 'D ~='. Will try it sometime, unless somebody has a > better suggestion. Depending on what sort of threading you use, it seems to make sense to see your own posts in context in the thread. folder-hook "debian-user" set sort=threads -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 06:40:50PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:45:54 +0530 > Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Arvind, > > > your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies of > > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > Some ML software (Mailman, for example) allows you to set whether or > not you receive copies of your own posts. Unfortunately, d-u doesn't > appear to be run on such software so you'll have to work out a method > of quietly deleting copies of your posts to d-u when they get echoed > back to you. Some sort of filter(0) that matches From & > To , for example. I would prefer to save the copy echoed by d-u, and delete the one saved as "sent-mail". The copy echoed by d-u would have the list headers, so if i ever use some search criteria using list headers, my mails would also be detected. As i said in my previous mail, to be on the safer side, maybe one should delete the copy only after receiving the d-u copy. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:17:25 +0530 Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Arvind, > I would prefer to save the copy echoed by d-u, and delete the one > saved as "sent-mail". The copy echoed by d-u would have the list I don't know anything about Mutt's capabilities for this sort of thing, but how about using the criteria I suggested to locate the incoming copy from d-u, then grabbing the Message-Id: from it and scanning the messages in sent-mail for a match, and deleting the relevant mail, when found. > headers, so if i ever use some search criteria using list headers, my > mails would also be detected. As i said in my previous mail, to be on > the safer side, maybe one should delete the copy only after receiving > the d-u copy. So I read, but only after I sent my post. :-* -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Loaded like a freight train flyin' like an aeroplane Nightrain - Guns 'N' Roses signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue Jul 29 2008 @ 12:17, Arvind Marathe wrote: > I would prefer to save the copy echoed by d-u, and delete the one > saved as "sent-mail". The copy echoed by d-u would have the list > headers, so if i ever use some search criteria using list headers, my > mails would also be detected. As i said in my previous mail, to be on > the safer side, maybe one should delete the copy only after receiving > the d-u copy. Andrei's method with the send-hook would work if you don't want a copy saved when you mail to debian-user. However, if you want the copy saved, & then deleted, but only after you receive the copy from the mailing list, that's more complicated. That will require a script, I think, or to make it even more complicated, you can set up procmail so that when it sees a message from you to debian-user it runs a script (Bash, Perl, whatever) that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and deletes it. This is sounding more complicated than it's worth. :) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:33:36 -0400 Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Telemachus, > that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a thread, checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the message being deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested M-ID: which is unique. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - The Buzzcocks signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon Jul 28 2008 @ 8:48, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:33:36 -0400 > Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Telemachus, > > > that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and > > That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a thread, > checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the message being > deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested M-ID: which is > unique. You are absolutely right. I was hand-waving rather than giving a proper solution. To really do it right, given Arvind's specific requests (keep the sent copy, wait for the mail to be received, then clean the corresponding copy from the Sent folder) really is more complicated than it seems at first. Sorry if I was glib. I don't believe that Mutt by itself can do what you described. It sounds more to me like a multi-part problem: (1) Have procmail scan for messages that are from Arvind himself & to this user list. (2) When such a mail is found, execute a script (let's go with Perl). (3) The Perl script receives the ID from procmail (maybe as an argument?), then it runs through the mails in the Sent folder. If it finds a matching ID on a mail, it deletes that item. I'll be curious to know if anyone has a way to do this just with Mutt, but it strikes me that Mutt doesn't have "received-hooks" quite like what this would need. T (Apologies if this is sent twice; my email froze up and died the first time I tried to send.) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:32:54 -0400 Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Telemachus, > On Mon Jul 28 2008 @ 8:48, Brad Rogers wrote: > > That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a > > thread, checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the > > message being deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested > > M-ID: which is unique. > You are absolutely right. I was hand-waving rather than giving a > proper solution. To really do it right, given Arvind's specific Sorry, I mis-interpreted your intention. > I don't believe that Mutt by itself can do what you described. It I don't think any of them could, can they? Although some would get darned close. > sounds more to me like a multi-part problem: Indeed. Sadly, my scripting ability is nowhere near good enough to write the necessary "magic". > (Apologies if this is sent twice; my email froze up and died the > first time I tried to send.) So far, not to the list, just the one, plus the Cc: to me. I'm never entirely sure why people do that. I mean, I'm subbed to the list, so why the need for a copy? I'm not complaining, I'm just curious as to why people do it, since I don't set a Reply-To: header with my addy in. If anyone feels like answering that last bit, I suggest it's done off-list since it's not a Debian issue at all. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" It's becoming an obsession Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
Le lundi 28 juillet 2008, Arvind Marathe a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:33:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:27:33, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of > > > your own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you > > > have a hook) and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know > > > Andrei does not have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy > > > for him but what about the others?) > > > > Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different > > address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? > > Perhaps i was not clear. When i write a mail to d-u, (say this mail > for example), the copy obviously gets stored in "sent-mail" by > default. After some time, i get another copy of the same mail, since > i am subscribed to d-u. (In your case, gmail does not send you copies > of your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies > of my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > Arvind > > -- > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. No automatic settings. I usually delete sent mail from time to time. And I usually regrets some days after to have deleted all mails and not only the oldest. Thomas Preud'homme -- Why Debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:58:58PM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc > > lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bob, According to the mutt docs you don't need the "subscribe" *and* the "lists" command, i.e.: More precisely, Mutt maintains lists of patterns for the addresses of known and subscribed mailing lists. Every subscribed mailing list is known. To mark a mailing list as known, use the ``lists'' command. To mark it as subscribed, use ``subscribe''. I suppose it doesn't really matter but it keeps your .muttrc a bit leaner. :-) -- Chris. == "One, with God, is always a majority, but many a martyr has been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted." -- Thomas B. Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:39:58 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow > sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't > want to use that address). I just posted about this, several minutes ago, on the Debian Exim list: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-users/2008-July/001440.html > Andrei Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:32:54PM -0400, Telemachus wrote: > On Mon Jul 28 2008 @ 8:48, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:33:36 -0400 > > Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Telemachus, > > > > > that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and > > > > That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a thread, > > checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the message being > > deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested M-ID: which is > > unique. > > You are absolutely right. I was hand-waving rather than giving a proper > solution. To really do it right, given Arvind's specific requests (keep the > sent copy, wait for the mail to be received, then clean the corresponding > copy from the Sent folder) really is more complicated than it seems at > first. Sorry if I was glib. > > I don't believe that Mutt by itself can do what you described. It sounds > more to me like a multi-part problem: > > (1) Have procmail scan for messages that are from Arvind himself & to this > user list. > (2) When such a mail is found, execute a script (let's go with Perl). > (3) The Perl script receives the ID from procmail (maybe as an argument?), > then it runs through the mails in the Sent folder. If it finds a matching > ID on a mail, it deletes that item. > > I'll be curious to know if anyone has a way to do this just with Mutt, but > it strikes me that Mutt doesn't have "received-hooks" quite like what this > would need. That is why procmail has formail and maildrop has reformail. -- Chris. == "One, with God, is always a majority, but many a martyr has been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted." -- Thomas B. Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue,29.Jul.08, 20:17:52, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:39:58 +0300 > Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > > I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow > > sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't > > want to use that address). > > I just posted about this, several minutes ago, on the Debian Exim list: > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-users/2008-July/001440.html I can answer the second question: gmail doesn't care what you use in From and Envelope-From because it will rewrite it to your gmail address. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
