Re: Kde: Dolphin file manager doesn't show comment content in the Details view mode?

[local10]

Jul 21, 2022, 11:46 by timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com:

> I tested it on Debian 11 and I am able to go to Properties/Details and add a 
> comment. The comment is then displayed. It looks like it might be a 
> regression. Are you running Bookworm or Sid?
>

Bookworm. Thanks

Re: Kde: Dolphin file manager doesn't show comment content in the Details view mode?

[tomas]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 01:18:38PM +0200, local10 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Tried adding comments to files (a useful feature in some cases) and the 
> comments are added and saved. A file comment can be seen by selecting the 
> file, doing a RMB click > Properties > Details > Comment. The comment is 
> there.
> 
> However, the Dolphin File Manager doesn't show the comment content in the 
> Details View Mode even though it shows the (empty) comment column. Am using 
> ext4.

File Comments aren't a standard OS feature; each file manager will
do its own thing [1] . Which file manager/desktop environment did
you use to add those comments?

Cheers

[1] And it's not as trivial as it looks at a first glance. I once
   fell into that rabbit hole trying to "fix" Gnome file emblems
   for somebody and I still carry the scars to show. Boy, am I
   glad for the command line ;-)

-- 
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Re: Kde: Dolphin file manager doesn't show comment content in the Details view mode?

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 7:19 AM local10  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Tried adding comments to files (a useful feature in some cases) and the
> comments are added and saved. A file comment can be seen by selecting the
> file, doing a RMB click > Properties > Details > Comment. The comment is
> there.
>
> However, the Dolphin File Manager doesn't show the comment content in the
> Details View Mode even though it shows the (empty) comment column. Am using
> ext4.
>
> Any ideas? Thanks
>
> I tested it on Debian 11 and I am able to go to Properties/Details and add
a comment. The comment is then displayed. It looks like it might be a
regression. Are you running Bookworm or Sid?


> # cat /etc/debian_version && uname -a
> bookworm/sid
> Linux tst 5.18.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 5.18.5-1
> (2022-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>
>
>

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Kde: Dolphin file manager doesn't show comment content in the Details view mode?

[local10]

Hi,

Tried adding comments to files (a useful feature in some cases) and the 
comments are added and saved. A file comment can be seen by selecting the file, 
doing a RMB click > Properties > Details > Comment. The comment is there.

However, the Dolphin File Manager doesn't show the comment content in the 
Details View Mode even though it shows the (empty) comment column. Am using 
ext4.

Any ideas? Thanks

# cat /etc/debian_version && uname -a
bookworm/sid
Linux tst 5.18.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 5.18.5-1 (2022-06-16) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

Re: Pedantic Comment (Was Re: Clarification Re: Displaying an arbitrary file in _both_ HEX and ASCII)

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/24/2020 07:47 AM, John Hasler wrote:

Richard writes:

I would prefer an actual GUI. But for a command line program it does
very well.


Text UI or interactive, not command line. ...


As I've said elsewhere --
  "If retirement not for learning - what use is it?"
 and thanks.

Pedantic Comment (Was Re: Clarification Re: Displaying an arbitrary file in _both_ HEX and ASCII)

[John Hasler]

Richard writes:
> I would prefer an actual GUI. But for a command line program it does
> very well.

Text UI or interactive, not command line.  With a command line program
you enter the program name, some options and some arguments at the shell
prompt and hit enter.  The program runs, sends its output (if any) to
the standard output and its error message (if any) to the standard
error.  The shell prompt then returns.  Grep is a command line program.
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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[Boyan Penkov]

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Richard Hector  wrote:
> On 30/01/18 03:35, Boyan Penkov wrote:
>> Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application
>> restarts on library updates, or only for daemons?
>
> apt-get install debian-goodies, actually. Yes, I think so. But for
> jessie onwards, I find needrestart (package: needrestart) much nicer. It
> tells you about kernel mismatches too, which checkrestart doesn't. Fewer
> false positives, too.

Yep, Richard is absolutely correct here -- I biffed up the package
names too early in the morning.

>
> Richard
>



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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[Richard Hector]

On 30/01/18 03:35, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application
> restarts on library updates, or only for daemons?

apt-get install debian-goodies, actually. Yes, I think so. But for
jessie onwards, I find needrestart (package: needrestart) much nicer. It
tells you about kernel mismatches too, which checkrestart doesn't. Fewer
false positives, too.

Richard



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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[Michael Lange]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, January 29, 2018 03:35:58 AM Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > On 29 January 2018 at 07:52, Dextin Jerafmel 
> > wrote:
> > > I tried to search for available Kernel images but there isn't any
> > > newer Kernel than 4.9.0.5
> 
> > ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid).  Then you need to get
> > the latest kernel from the kernel.org website.
> 
> I just want to emphasize that you don't need to upgrade to unstable
> (Debian Sid).
> 
> See the response in this thread from Bastien Durel.
> 
> Also, iiuc, the fixes for Spectre and Meltdown have been
> "backported" (probably not the right word) to Wheezy (which is my
> "everyday" machine).  If I'm wrong about that, somebody can let me know.

I think this is only true for the Meltdown fix ("page tables isolation"),
for the Spectre fix ("retpoline") work is apparently in progress.

Regards

Michael


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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[David Wright]

On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 13:43:20 (+), Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy.  I assume that
> > most of those don't take effect until I restart the application.  For
> > instance, a Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown
> > Firefox and restart it.
> > 
> > Correspondingly, I assume that a Linux kernel upgrade does not take
> > effect until I reboot the machine.
> 
> Yes, but it's a little more complicated. The modules used by the kernel
> (and the kernel file itself) *are* replaced during the process of
> upgrading the kernel, but the running code is not. There is a tiny
> chance of some kind of mismatch if new modules are loaded, so rebooting
> is recommended soon, and in the past I used to see a message to that
> effect, displayed during the upgrade.

For the benefit of the OP, who is unaware of the meaning of version
numbers, it's worth pointing out that during their upgrade, they got
a new set of modules along with the kernel because the new kernel was
in a new package with a new name.

However, it's not clear that, having searched for a new kernel and
found ("only") a 4.9.0-5 one, they have installed it. If they haven't,
they need to, or else they will not receive further upgrades.
Better still, install the most generic/least specific kernel metapackage
so that upgrades will be automatic (or more obvious, depending on
the tools used).

Cheers,
David.

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (side question)

[Neo]

Sorry for the hijack, but has this also to do with this newly enabled 
default kernel options?


grep STACKPROTECTOR /boot/config-3.16.0-5-amd64
CONFIG_HAVE_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y
CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y
# CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE is not set
CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR=y
# CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG is not set

because dkms now fails and so my geoip support in iptables is now 
broken, as the module is missing.


BR, Spacerat

Am 29.01.2018 um 15:15 schrieb Andy Smith:

Hi,

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

iiuc, the fixes for Spectre and Meltdown have been "backported"
(probably not the right word) to Wheezy (which is my "everyday"
machine).  If I'm wrong about that, somebody can let me know.

The confusion here is that "Spectre and Meltdown" comprise multiple
different (but related) vulnerabilities.

The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the
KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels.

Fixing one of the Spectre vulnerabilities requires new CPU
microcode, possibly a new BIOS, new kernel features and kernel to be
compiled with an as-yet unreleased version of GCC. For this you
would currently need to get a few things from sid and build your own
kernel. The risk/reward calculation for these actions requires some
thought because a suitable kernel update is likely to appear soon.

As for the other known Spectre vulnerability: no one has much of an
idea how to avoid yet, but probably will in the near future.

There are likely to be further vulnerabilities in this class that
are as-yet unknown at least to the public. There are also likely to
be new mitigations developed that get around known problems in less
expensive ways. So expect a lot more kernel updates in our near
future.

Cheers,
Andy

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[David Wright]

On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 09:17:14 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/29/2018 08:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> >On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >>On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>>I've seen comments such as that before.
> >>>But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".
> >>>
> >>KPTI - kernel page table isolation
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>The Wikipedia article on the subject is much more informative, if you
> >>want to go deeper.
> >
> >Indeed -- a visit to the Internet Library of Alexandria (aka Wikipedia)
> >should be mandatory these days (quick! before someone burns it down :-)
> >
> >   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KPTI
> >
> 
> Mea [not quite] culpa
> I quit reading before the last sentence as it was talking about
> implementation details without any evident interest in Joe End User.

Well, certain end users seem to be very impatient for a fix before the
true scale of the problem has been fully appreciated.

> And that last sentence was not really informative. IMHO

You never know these days. We may eventually look back at Wikipedia
with nostalgia. Remember Net Neutrality, Fairness Doctrine, …?

> There has been a similar tendency in this and related threads.

No idea of what is meant and in what.

Cheers,
David.

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/29/2018 08:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


[...]


I've seen comments such as that before.
But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".


KPTI - kernel page table isolation


[...]


The Wikipedia article on the subject is much more informative, if you
want to go deeper.


Indeed -- a visit to the Internet Library of Alexandria (aka Wikipedia)
should be mandatory these days (quick! before someone burns it down :-)

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KPTI



Mea [not quite] culpa
I quit reading before the last sentence as it was talking about 
implementation details without any evident interest in Joe End User.

And that last sentence was not really informative. IMHO

There has been a similar tendency in this and related threads.

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[tomas]

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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

> > I've seen comments such as that before.
> > But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".
> > 
> KPTI - kernel page table isolation

[...]

> The Wikipedia article on the subject is much more informative, if you
> want to go deeper.

Indeed -- a visit to the Internet Library of Alexandria (aka Wikipedia)
should be mandatory these days (quick! before someone burns it down :-)

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KPTI

Cheers
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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/29/2018 08:15 AM, Andy Smith wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the
> > KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels.
> > 
> 
> I've seen comments such as that before.
> But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".
> 
KPTI - kernel page table isolation

It basicall puts all kernel memory addresses in a completely different
address range than those of user processes.  You don't "use" it as the
kernel handles all of that for you.  All that is needed is to boot a
kernel that has the feature and then it will work automatically.  The
reason it protects against Meltdown is because accesses to kernel memory
under the new construct will force a context switch (meaning that stale
values are not left in machine registers that are accesible to user
code).

Also, there is a parameter you can pass to the kernel at boot time to
disable KPTI if you would rather not have it.

The Wikipedia article on the subject is much more informative, if you
want to go deeper.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[Boyan Penkov]

Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application
restarts on library updates, or only for daemons?

On Jan 29, 2018 08:43, "Joe"  wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy.  I assume that
> > most of those don't take effect until I restart the application.  For
> > instance, a Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown
> > Firefox and restart it.
> >
> > Correspondingly, I assume that a Linux kernel upgrade does not take
> > effect until I reboot the machine.
>
> Yes, but it's a little more complicated. The modules used by the kernel
> (and the kernel file itself) *are* replaced during the process of
> upgrading the kernel, but the running code is not. There is a tiny
> chance of some kind of mismatch if new modules are loaded, so rebooting
> is recommended soon, and in the past I used to see a message to that
> effect, displayed during the upgrade.
>
> Generally, user applications (e.g. Firefox) will not be restarted
> automatically, but most daemons will be e.g. mysql, exim4. Some
> important daemons may request your input as to whether to restart or
> not e.g. during a major upheaval such as a libc upgrade. Pretty much
> all software on a server is in the form of daemons, and generally
> rebooting a server is only necessary after a change of kernel.
>
> --
> Joe
>
>

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/29/2018 08:15 AM, Andy Smith wrote:

[snip]

The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the
KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels.



I've seen comments such as that before.
But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> iiuc, the fixes for Spectre and Meltdown have been "backported"
> (probably not the right word) to Wheezy (which is my "everyday"
> machine).  If I'm wrong about that, somebody can let me know.

The confusion here is that "Spectre and Meltdown" comprise multiple
different (but related) vulnerabilities.

The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the
KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels.

Fixing one of the Spectre vulnerabilities requires new CPU
microcode, possibly a new BIOS, new kernel features and kernel to be
compiled with an as-yet unreleased version of GCC. For this you
would currently need to get a few things from sid and build your own
kernel. The risk/reward calculation for these actions requires some
thought because a suitable kernel update is likely to appear soon.

As for the other known Spectre vulnerability: no one has much of an
idea how to avoid yet, but probably will in the near future.

There are likely to be further vulnerabilities in this class that
are as-yet unknown at least to the public. There are also likely to
be new mitigations developed that get around known problems in less
expensive ways. So expect a lot more kernel updates in our near
future.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy.  I assume that most of 
> those don't take effect until I restart the application.  For instance, a 
> Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown Firefox and restart it.
> 
That is correct.

> Correspondingly, I assume that a Linux kernel upgrade does not take effect 
> until I reboot the machine.
> 
Also correct.

You also need to be careful of library upgrades.  Fore xample, if there
is an update to libssl, then any application that uses it (i.e.,
dynamically links it or dlopens it) needs to be restarted.  If you run
Postfix and Apache (and have their SSL features configured and active)
you would need to restart them following a libssl upgade in order to
ensure that they are using the latest version.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[Joe]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


> 
> I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy.  I assume that
> most of those don't take effect until I restart the application.  For
> instance, a Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown
> Firefox and restart it.
> 
> Correspondingly, I assume that a Linux kernel upgrade does not take
> effect until I reboot the machine.

Yes, but it's a little more complicated. The modules used by the kernel
(and the kernel file itself) *are* replaced during the process of
upgrading the kernel, but the running code is not. There is a tiny
chance of some kind of mismatch if new modules are loaded, so rebooting
is recommended soon, and in the past I used to see a message to that
effect, displayed during the upgrade.

Generally, user applications (e.g. Firefox) will not be restarted
automatically, but most daemons will be e.g. mysql, exim4. Some
important daemons may request your input as to whether to restart or
not e.g. during a major upheaval such as a libc upgrade. Pretty much
all software on a server is in the form of daemons, and generally
rebooting a server is only necessary after a change of kernel.

-- 
Joe

comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 29, 2018 03:35:58 AM Michael Fothergill wrote:
> On 29 January 2018 at 07:52, Dextin Jerafmel  wrote:
> > I tried to search for available Kernel images but there isn't any newer
> > Kernel than 4.9.0.5

> ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid).  Then you need to get the
> latest kernel from the kernel.org website.

I just want to emphasize that you don't need to upgrade to unstable (Debian 
Sid).

See the response in this thread from Bastien Durel.

Also, iiuc, the fixes for Spectre and Meltdown have been "backported" (probably 
not the right word) to Wheezy (which is my "everyday" machine).  If I'm wrong 
about that, somebody can let me know.

Sort of a digression:

I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy.  I assume that most of 
those don't take effect until I restart the application.  For instance, a 
Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown Firefox and restart it.

Correspondingly, I assume that a Linux kernel upgrade does not take effect 
until I reboot the machine.

I guess I can confirm by watching version numbers next time I get a kernel 
upgrade, but if someone can respond now, that would (possibly) set my mind at 
ease.

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Re: comment diff files

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 22:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 18:14 +, Clive Standbridge wrote:
> > Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> > > Hello List:
> > > 
> > > Is there any way to comment a diff file ?
> > 
> > Interesting question.
> 
> ;D
> 
> Until now I'm only using, not writing patches.
> 
> What happens if we would write something at top of a diff or at the end
> of a diff file? In other words, before the first "diff" and behind the
> last "+" and "-" lines?
> 
> I suspect everybody experienced in writing patches knows the answer?!

Isn't it possible to add a comment that might be add to the patched file
and with the next step of your diff file, you'll remove this comment
from the patched file? So it just would be a comment for the diff
file???



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Re: comment diff files

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 18:14 +, Clive Standbridge wrote:
> Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> > Hello List:
> > 
> > Is there any way to comment a diff file ?
> 
> Interesting question.

;D

Until now I'm only using, not writing patches.

What happens if we would write something at top of a diff or at the end
of a diff file? In other words, before the first "diff" and behind the
last "+" and "-" lines?

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Re: comment diff files

[Jerome BENOIT]

Thanks !

On 25/11/11 19:14, Clive Standbridge wrote:

Jerome BENOIT wrote:

Hello List:

Is there any way to comment a diff file ?


Interesting question. I don't know, but perhaps this paragraph from
the patch(1) may help:

patch  tries to skip any leading garbage, apply the diff, and then skip
any trailing garbage.  Thus you could feed an article or message  con-
taining  a  diff  listing  to patch, and it should work.  If the entire
diff is indented by a consistent amount, or if a context diff contains
lines ending in CRLF or is encapsulated one or more times by prepending
"- " to lines starting with "-" as specified by Internet RFC 934,  this
is  taken  into  account.   After  removing indenting or encapsulation,
lines beginning with # are ignored, as they are considered to be  com-
ments.



Of course, I read `man diff' before sending the email to the list.

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Re: comment diff files

[Clive Standbridge]

Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Hello List:
> 
> Is there any way to comment a diff file ?

Interesting question. I don't know, but perhaps this paragraph from
the patch(1) may help:

patch  tries to skip any leading garbage, apply the diff, and then skip
any trailing garbage.  Thus you could feed an article or message  con-
taining  a  diff  listing  to patch, and it should work.  If the entire
diff is indented by a consistent amount, or if a context diff contains
lines ending in CRLF or is encapsulated one or more times by prepending
"- " to lines starting with "-" as specified by Internet RFC 934,  this
is  taken  into  account.   After  removing indenting or encapsulation,
lines beginning with # are ignored, as they are considered to be  com-
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Re: comment diff files

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From: Jerome BENOIT  rezozer.net>


Is there any way to comment a diff file ?


I don't think so - you apply the diff using patch, then you put comments 
into the modified file, then you run a diff against the original version 
to get the difference with comments included.



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[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello List:

Is there any way to comment a diff file ?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Vserver networking: to make a forward only. : a comment

[Paul E Condon]

On 2009-07-16_01:08:08, lee wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:57:36PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
> 
> > Meaning that all packets come to and back from - only for/from the
> > v-server.  That the home machine will not be processing the packets.
> 
> In a way, that isn't possible because there has to be at least one
> physical network card which would be installed on the physical host.
> 
> Logically, you need to give each OS that is running in a VM its own IP
> address. You could also install a physical network card for each VM
> and assign each VM its own card.
> 

I have no practical experience on VM, but it occurs to me that if one
can implement a virtual host, one can also implement virtual lan cards,
and a virtual '192.168.0.0-type' network entirely with the VM server.
Then use net-address-translation of the several virtual hosts, and have
one virtual host serve as the translator and actually manage the single
real network card for communication that is 'outside of the box' ;-)

I could not begin to advise you on how to actually DO this. I am just
playing with ideas. I can well imagine that actually doing this is vastly
more complicated than this quick note makes sound.

Hope this is at least a little amusing as in idea...



> With each VM having its own IP address, the host the VMs are running
> on isn't (logically) the recipient or sender of network traffic going
> to a VM. The traffic would go to the IP address of the VM, not to the
> IP address of the host.
> 
> I guess that's what you want --- but I don't know how secure that
> is. It is also what you need to do in order for the VMs to have a
> network connection. If they don't have each their own IP address,
> there is no (good) way to decide which of the VMs is supposed to get
> which network traffic.
> 
> > > > *filter  
> > > Which firewall script are you using? There are some, like shorewall ...
> > 
> > It is my hand made script. Is it wrong?
> 
> Does it work? If it doesn't, it's probably wrong.
> 
> You can make your own firewall script if you want to, but it's, hmm,
> tricky. I sort of did that once, but I was starting with an example
> script that was accompanied with documentation and adapted that to
> what was needed. This script and documentation were for learning how
> to set up a firewall, and that's how I learned it and how I got an
> understanding of what the firewall does and how it works.
> 
> But there are firewall scripts like shorewall and others that can make
> it very simple to set up a firewall.
> 
> > > The related packages are probably dropped, as you have set. But
> > > without more detailed information, I can only guess.
> > 
> > Which detailed info I should provide?
> 
> Like all the IP addresses and network interfaces involved, what ports
> and IPs are allowed to be used by which source IPs to which
> destinations.
> 
> Once you know that, you have done quite some of the work. If you write
> it down, you can as well use the notation iptables uses, and when you
> do that, you have most of your firewall.
> 
> However, I see two ways to make it easy:
> 
> 
> a.) If you run Linux in the VMs, use shorewall (or another script) on
> each VM and set the firewall up as is needed for that VM. Then
> you can use shorewall on the host itself and set it up there
> as needed.
> 
> b.) If you have another computer running Linux, you could use that as a
> firewall for all the others. That's probably safer anyway.
> 
> 
> In any case, if you have an internet connection via a router/firewall
> you want to use with your VMs, you can be somewhat limited in what you
> can do, depending on the capabilities of the router and the
> capabilities of the software to deal with NAT. If you have a good
> router, you can use that --- if you don't, connect the computer from
> option b.) instead of the router. Then you might want to use
> additional software to increase safety ...
> 
> > > It's probably because input and output are being accepted instead of
> > > dropped.
> > 
> > That's right, but my question was, Why do I need to set ACCEPT for 
> > INPUT/OUTPUT
> > chains while all I want is FORWARD? - Why FORWARD seems to not function with
> > dropped INPUT/OUTPUT?
> 
> Yeah, that is because there is nothing to forward when input and
> output are dropped: You don't get to forward anything because the
> traffic is dropped *before* you could forward it.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly how it worked --- the script I
> learned from created its own tables to drop all traffic and then to
> allow only the traffic that it wanted to allow. Hmmm ...
> 
> Yeah, I still have that:
> 
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 lee lee 760879 2003-03-15 05:17
> /home/lee/infos/firewall/iptables-tutorial.html.tgz
> 
> You might be able to find it when googling for it, but I can mail it
> to you if you want to. It might be somewhat out of date, but I found
> it very helpful and understandable.
> 
> > > Don't you need to assign a network card --- or at least an

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Re: Striping comment from configuration files on stdout

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Jean-Louis Crouzet:

#cat sip.conf | grep -v "^;"


That's a useless use of cat. :) You may instead just do

grep -v '^;' sip.conf

If you want to strip empty lines and lines beginning with whitespace
followed by a ';' as well, do

grep -E -v '(^\s*;)|^\s*$'

J.

OK thanks for the tip now running. I still need display line such as

bindport=5060   ; UDP Port to bind to (SIP standard 
port is 5060)


but not line such as
; Set this to your host name or domain 
name



Try this:
grep -v '^\s*;\|^\s*$'|sed -e 's/;.*$//'

The grep eliminates commented lines and blank lines. sed then strips 
away the comment from the remaining lines. You can even sed first and 
grep later like:


sed -e 's/;.*$//'|grep -v '^\s*$'

You can even eliminate grep altogether with

sed -e 's/;.*$//;/^\s*$/ d'



Raj,

looks like the sed only gave me by far the best results, many thanks for 
this.

Have a nice day.

Regards,
JL


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Re: Striping comment from configuration files on stdout

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Jean-Louis Crouzet:

#cat sip.conf | grep -v "^;"


That's a useless use of cat. :) You may instead just do

grep -v '^;' sip.conf

If you want to strip empty lines and lines beginning with whitespace
followed by a ';' as well, do

grep -E -v '(^\s*;)|^\s*$'

J.

OK thanks for the tip now running. I still need display line such as

bindport=5060   ; UDP Port to bind to (SIP standard port 
is 5060)


but not line such as
; Set this to your host name or domain name


Try this:
grep -v '^\s*;\|^\s*$'|sed -e 's/;.*$//'

The grep eliminates commented lines and blank lines. sed then strips 
away the comment from the remaining lines. You can even sed first and 
grep later like:


sed -e 's/;.*$//'|grep -v '^\s*$'

You can even eliminate grep altogether with

sed -e 's/;.*$//;/^\s*$/ d'


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Re: Striping comment from configuration files on stdout

[Jochen Schulz]

Jean-Louis Crouzet:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>>
>> If you want to strip empty lines and lines beginning with whitespace
>> followed by a ';' as well, do
>>
>> grep -E -v '(^\s*;)|^\s*$'
>>
> OK thanks for the tip now running. I still need display line such as
> 
> bindport=5060   ; UDP Port to bind to (SIP standard port is 
> 5060)

The pattern above should match only lines that either

- consist only of whitespace, or
- start with whitespace, followed directly by a semicolon

so it should do what you want. But I agree that the other one is easier
to memorize. Regular expressions are write-only -- it's easier to learn
how to write them than to read them without understanding them. ;-)

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Re: Striping comment from configuration files on stdout

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Jean-Louis Crouzet:

#cat sip.conf | grep -v "^;"


That's a useless use of cat. :) You may instead just do

grep -v '^;' sip.conf

If you want to strip empty lines and lines beginning with whitespace
followed by a ';' as well, do

grep -E -v '(^\s*;)|^\s*$'

J.

OK thanks for the tip now running. I still need display line such as

bindport=5060   ; UDP Port to bind to (SIP standard port 
is 5060)


but not line such as
; Set this to your host name or domain name

but I guess I'm fine with

grep -v '^;' sip.conf

Thanks,
JL


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[Jochen Schulz]

Jean-Louis Crouzet:
> 
> #cat sip.conf | grep -v "^;"

That's a useless use of cat. :) You may instead just do

grep -v '^;' sip.conf

If you want to strip empty lines and lines beginning with whitespace
followed by a ';' as well, do

grep -E -v '(^\s*;)|^\s*$'

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Re: Striping comment from configuration files on stdout

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Kevin Mark wrote:

On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:00:56AM +0100, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:

Hi all,

this is something I saw in the past in this NG but I can't retrieve it 
anywhere. I looked for it since a while without any luck. Then I decided to 
try here...


Goal is from bash command to strip command lines from a configuration file 
(i.e for asterisk sip.conf) and display the output on sdout or pipe it into 
a new file. I would like to keep only used lines...


Hoping this clear; many thanks in anticipation.

Regards,
JL

Many conf files use the '#' symbol to start comment line, so if a line
starts with '#', its a comment. 'grep -v "^#" filename' may be the
command to do it.
-K

Hi Kevin,

thanks for your reply, that's exactly what I was looking for and it 
works like a charm.


Regards,
JL

#cat sip.conf | grep -v "^;"


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Re: Striping comment from configuration files on stdout

[Kevin Mark]

On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:00:56AM +0100, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> this is something I saw in the past in this NG but I can't retrieve it 
> anywhere. I looked for it since a while without any luck. Then I decided to 
> try here...
>
> Goal is from bash command to strip command lines from a configuration file 
> (i.e for asterisk sip.conf) and display the output on sdout or pipe it into 
> a new file. I would like to keep only used lines...
>
> Hoping this clear; many thanks in anticipation.
>
> Regards,
> JL
Many conf files use the '#' symbol to start comment line, so if a line
starts with '#', its a comment. 'grep -v "^#" filename' may be the
command to do it.
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[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Hi all,

this is something I saw in the past in this NG but I can't retrieve it 
anywhere. I looked for it since a while without any luck. Then I decided 
to try here...


Goal is from bash command to strip command lines from a configuration 
file (i.e for asterisk sip.conf) and display the output on sdout or pipe 
it into a new file. I would like to keep only used lines...


Hoping this clear; many thanks in anticipation.

Regards,
JL


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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 01:27:58AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:56:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>  
> > > ... looking at the "Etch + USB Modem -- Supported?" thread I'm guessing 
> > > you guys (at least you and Ron) are also missing those.
> > 
> > yeah, sorry I spelled your name wrong there. But since Celejar has
> > logged my claim to be done with that thread, I can't properly issue a
> > correction. 
> 
> Don't worry about it, I'm used to it :) (though I usually get the Polish 
> spelling (Andrej) not the German one)
> 
> > I'm still up in the air about d-ot (heh. that's a good one, d.o.t.) as
> 
> ? I don't get this one (Department of Technology?)

Department of Transportation, that great American bastion of
bureaucratic efficiency 


> 
> > I don't think its actually practical to implement. For example, how
> > would one go about moving that USB^h^h^hVituperations thread over to
> > d.o.t. and then moving it back when it veers back on-topic.
> 
> Just get a list ethicist to do the police work :) "Hey guys, this is 
> off-topic on this off-topic list, take it to d-u/d-d/..."

where is joe anyway?

>  
> > its a difficult social problem for which there are few if any
> > technological solutions...
> 
> Joke aside, I understand your concern, but I don't see a better solution 
> to have offtopic threads without disturbing d-u. And if the posters are 
> careful enough to move it to offtopic, they can also move it back to d-u 
> if they feel what they are writing belongs there (too).
> 
> It may seem that I am pushing this too hard, but it's annoying not to 
> get a clear stance on this, especially when Holger Levsen from the 
> debian-community project seems to agree on hosting such a list if the 
> project won't (there's also googlegroups as a last resort).

I have no clear stance on it, and I suspect that is the case for a lot
of people, hence the lack of actual discussion in this thread. I
personally think it won't work, but see no harm in others trying it
out. HOw's that for a non-commital response. 

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:56:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 
> > ... looking at the "Etch + USB Modem -- Supported?" thread I'm guessing 
> > you guys (at least you and Ron) are also missing those.
> 
> yeah, sorry I spelled your name wrong there. But since Celejar has
> logged my claim to be done with that thread, I can't properly issue a
> correction. 

Don't worry about it, I'm used to it :) (though I usually get the Polish 
spelling (Andrej) not the German one)

> I'm still up in the air about d-ot (heh. that's a good one, d.o.t.) as

? I don't get this one (Department of Technology?)

> I don't think its actually practical to implement. For example, how
> would one go about moving that USB^h^h^hVituperations thread over to
> d.o.t. and then moving it back when it veers back on-topic.

Just get a list ethicist to do the police work :) "Hey guys, this is 
off-topic on this off-topic list, take it to d-u/d-d/..."
 
> its a difficult social problem for which there are few if any
> technological solutions...

Joke aside, I understand your concern, but I don't see a better solution 
to have offtopic threads without disturbing d-u. And if the posters are 
careful enough to move it to offtopic, they can also move it back to d-u 
if they feel what they are writing belongs there (too).

It may seem that I am pushing this too hard, but it's annoying not to 
get a clear stance on this, especially when Holger Levsen from the 
debian-community project seems to agree on hosting such a list if the 
project won't (there's also googlegroups as a last resort).

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:08:23PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> And all along I thought Slashdot was the proper place for off-topic
> subject matter.

I, for one, welcome our new slashdot posting debian users!

In soviet russia, debian users slashdot you!

I saw Natalie Portman's grits on debian-user!

You must be new here, what with your beowulf clusters of old korean
communist debian-using meme touters!

there. that should do it.

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Nate Bargmann]

And all along I thought Slashdot was the proper place for off-topic
subject matter.

;-)

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Celejar]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:56:23 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:32:57AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:17:57AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >  
> > > > I agree the list is much "cleaner" now, but, with a few exceptions, the 
> > > > big OT threads have been much fun.
> > > 
> > > so, with all due respect and being genuinely curious, you seem to be a
> > > proponent of debian-ot. Can I ask why? (note that I'm not diggin
> > > through the archives ATM, so if I've mischaracterised you, I
> > > apologise.)
> > 
> > You're right, I beat Joey Schulze (the other Joey) by 12 days at 
> > proposing a debian-offtopic list (#425439 and #427218).
> > 
> > As I just said above, I think (most of) the OT threads are fun and they 
> > are also bringing the community together. A debian-offtopic list would 
> > be the best way of having all those offtopic discussions inside the 
> > debian project, but without disturbing the "normal" d-u (or d-d, ... , 
> > whatever) traffic (and no, debian-curiosa is *not* suited).
> > 
> > ... looking at the "Etch + USB Modem -- Supported?" thread I'm guessing 
> > you guys (at least you and Ron) are also missing those.
> 
> yeah, sorry I spelled your name wrong there. But since Celejar has
> logged my claim to be done with that thread, I can't properly issue a
> correction. 

Don't worry, I won't hold you to it.

> I'm still up in the air about d-ot (heh. that's a good one, d.o.t.) as
> I don't think its actually practical to implement. For example, how
> would one go about moving that USB^h^h^hVituperations thread over to
> d.o.t. and then moving it back when it veers back on-topic. 

Well, I guess we'll just need to be very, very careful not to veer back
on topic.

> its a difficult social problem for which there are few if any
> technological solutions...
> 
> A

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:32:57AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:17:57AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>  
> > > I agree the list is much "cleaner" now, but, with a few exceptions, the 
> > > big OT threads have been much fun.
> > 
> > so, with all due respect and being genuinely curious, you seem to be a
> > proponent of debian-ot. Can I ask why? (note that I'm not diggin
> > through the archives ATM, so if I've mischaracterised you, I
> > apologise.)
> 
> You're right, I beat Joey Schulze (the other Joey) by 12 days at 
> proposing a debian-offtopic list (#425439 and #427218).
> 
> As I just said above, I think (most of) the OT threads are fun and they 
> are also bringing the community together. A debian-offtopic list would 
> be the best way of having all those offtopic discussions inside the 
> debian project, but without disturbing the "normal" d-u (or d-d, ... , 
> whatever) traffic (and no, debian-curiosa is *not* suited).
> 
> ... looking at the "Etch + USB Modem -- Supported?" thread I'm guessing 
> you guys (at least you and Ron) are also missing those.

yeah, sorry I spelled your name wrong there. But since Celejar has
logged my claim to be done with that thread, I can't properly issue a
correction. 

I'm still up in the air about d-ot (heh. that's a good one, d.o.t.) as
I don't think its actually practical to implement. For example, how
would one go about moving that USB^h^h^hVituperations thread over to
d.o.t. and then moving it back when it veers back on-topic. 

its a difficult social problem for which there are few if any
technological solutions...

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:17:57AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 
> > I agree the list is much "cleaner" now, but, with a few exceptions, the 
> > big OT threads have been much fun.
> 
> so, with all due respect and being genuinely curious, you seem to be a
> proponent of debian-ot. Can I ask why? (note that I'm not diggin
> through the archives ATM, so if I've mischaracterised you, I
> apologise.)

You're right, I beat Joey Schulze (the other Joey) by 12 days at 
proposing a debian-offtopic list (#425439 and #427218).

As I just said above, I think (most of) the OT threads are fun and they 
are also bringing the community together. A debian-offtopic list would 
be the best way of having all those offtopic discussions inside the 
debian project, but without disturbing the "normal" d-u (or d-d, ... , 
whatever) traffic (and no, debian-curiosa is *not* suited).

... looking at the "Etch + USB Modem -- Supported?" thread I'm guessing 
you guys (at least you and Ron) are also missing those.

Regards,
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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:44:01PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 09:24:15AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>  
> > I"ve stayed out of this discussion, and it doesn't really seem to be
> > going anywhere, but... I think the OT has gone *way* down in hte past
> > little while, and I know it fluctuates, but still its down. And I
> > notice that everyone has been much better about prefacing OT with
> > OT. I don't think one could ask for much more and I'm pretty happy
> > with the current state of the list. 
> 
> I agree the list is much "cleaner" now, but, with a few exceptions, the 
> big OT threads have been much fun.

so, with all due respect and being genuinely curious, you seem to be a
proponent of debian-ot. Can I ask why? (note that I'm not diggin
through the archives ATM, so if I've mischaracterised you, I
apologise.)

A


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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 09:24:15AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 
> I"ve stayed out of this discussion, and it doesn't really seem to be
> going anywhere, but... I think the OT has gone *way* down in hte past
> little while, and I know it fluctuates, but still its down. And I
> notice that everyone has been much better about prefacing OT with
> OT. I don't think one could ask for much more and I'm pretty happy
> with the current state of the list. 

I agree the list is much "cleaner" now, but, with a few exceptions, the 
big OT threads have been much fun.

Regards,
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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 10:28:55AM -0400, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 06:28:22AM +0100, Chris Lale wrote:
> Hi? Chris, 
> 
> > Would the existing [EMAIL PROTECTED] fit the bill?
> 
> Alas, most OT stuff would be too OT even for debian-curiosa. In an
> effort to cut down on unnecessary postings people need to remember there
> are other lists besides debian-user. mutt-user, vim-user, debian-laptop,
> come to mind.  A debian-off-topic list could possibly be handy for "Hey!
> take it to debian-off-topic you #@&^$$!!" when it becomes necessary.

I"ve stayed out of this discussion, and it doesn't really seem to be
going anywhere, but... I think the OT has gone *way* down in hte past
little while, and I know it fluctuates, but still its down. And I
notice that everyone has been much better about prefacing OT with
OT. I don't think one could ask for much more and I'm pretty happy
with the current state of the list. 

A


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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 06:28:22AM +0100, Chris Lale wrote:
Hi? Chris, 

> Would the existing [EMAIL PROTECTED] fit the bill?

Alas, most OT stuff would be too OT even for debian-curiosa. In an
effort to cut down on unnecessary postings people need to remember there
are other lists besides debian-user. mutt-user, vim-user, debian-laptop,
come to mind.  A debian-off-topic list could possibly be handy for "Hey!
take it to debian-off-topic you #@&^$$!!" when it becomes necessary.

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Chris Lale]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> If you are interested or totally against a debian-offtopic mailing list 
>> please send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>> If you just want to read other comments see bugs.debian.org/427218
> 
> ( Also posted to the bug database for posterity. )
> 
> No, check the archives on this discussion and why it has not been
> implemented in the past decade.  Putting it into the bug tracker is just
> trying to end run around that history and only goes to show that if people
> can't get their way in one method they will attempt to subvert a different
> method to suit their needs.  That rational in an of itself should be
> sufficient evidence that the bug filer be reprimanded on proper searching of
> the archives prior to posting frivolous bugs and the bug itself closed.
> 
> 

Would the existing [EMAIL PROTECTED] fit the bill?

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Re: Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Steve Lamb]

Andrei Popescu wrote:
> If you are interested or totally against a debian-offtopic mailing list 
> please send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> If you just want to read other comments see bugs.debian.org/427218

( Also posted to the bug database for posterity. )

No, check the archives on this discussion and why it has not been
implemented in the past decade.  Putting it into the bug tracker is just
trying to end run around that history and only goes to show that if people
can't get their way in one method they will attempt to subvert a different
method to suit their needs.  That rational in an of itself should be
sufficient evidence that the bug filer be reprimanded on proper searching of
the archives prior to posting frivolous bugs and the bug itself closed.


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Please comment on a debian-offtopic list

[Andrei Popescu]

Hello everybody,

If you are interested or totally against a debian-offtopic mailing list 
please send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you just want to read other comments see bugs.debian.org/427218

Thanks for reading.

Regards,
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Re: is this fair comment?????

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 12:16:01PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> 
> A more concise statement might be:  "Debian has many developers, with
> many disparate viewpoints, and there are always a few going on endlessly
> on about one thing or another.  Work continues apace."
> 
Of course, that does not sensationalize nearly as well :-)

Regards,

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Re: is this fair comment?????

[Miles Bader]

I don't doubt that there are few nutters out there who have
"deliberately slowed down their work," but it seems completely off the
mark to suggest any large number have (which I guess would be required
to slow down the release).  The article seems more like muck-raking than
anything else.

A more concise statement might be:  "Debian has many developers, with
many disparate viewpoints, and there are always a few going on endlessly
on about one thing or another.  Work continues apace."

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Re: is this fair comment?????

[M. Fioretti]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 09:41:32 AM +1100, M-L ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:

> When I went to the site, it did say "Spread the Word" So I assume
> you're moving off the subject for a reason?

I'm am not 100% sure I understand your answer, but I _believe_ you are
referring to the "spread the word - digg this story" little box in the
linux-watch.com page. If not, please explain what else you had in
mind.

If I guessed correctly, and you do refer to that box, it is absolutely
obvious (from common practice, common sense and the legal notices on
the page) that reposting to a public mailing list a whole article,
rather than spreading its URL and title / abstract is the WRONG way to
spread the word:

* it is clearly illegal because it violates the notice in the page
  itself.
* there is no need for it because the whole original article is
  readable for free with any browser
* reading it on the website rewards the author/editor through
  advertising, reading it here doesn't

* for subscribers with a metered connection, the less bytes they get
  through a mailing list the better.

As far as "moving off the subject for a reason" is concerned... well,
here's a piece discussing how to make Debian development more
financially substainable... announced in a way that makes less
financially substainable, for that website, to continue providing
information at no cost for readers.

I'm sure it was done in perfectly good faith and without intention to
harm anybody, but it just struck me as funny or weird, to put it this
way. That's it, really.

Ciao,
Marco

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Re: is this fair comment?????

[M-L]

On Monday 08 January 2007 09:38, M. Fioretti shared this with us all:
>--> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 21:45:48 PM +, Michael Fothergill
>--> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>-->
>--> > I found an article on a web site called linux-watch
>--> > (http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html)
>--> [...]
>--> >
>--> > Is this article accurate in its reporting?
>-->
>--> I have no idea yet, must still think about it. But there is no doubt
>--> that posting it in full to a mailing list (=redistribution) was a
>--> clear violation of the ToU and of copyright. Above all, an unnecessary
>--> one: why not just post the link and your comments? It would have even
>--> be better netiquette towards people with a metered connection,
>--> wouldn't it?
>-->
>--> Marco
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When I went to the site, it did say "Spread the Word" So I assume you're 
moving off the subject for a reason?

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Re: is this fair comment?????

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 09:45:48PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debianists,
> 
> I found an article on a web site called linux-watch 
> (http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html)
> 
[SNIP article text]
> 
> Is this article accurate in its reporting?
> 
That depends on how you define accurate.  They want everything to seem
all seedy and sensational.  That's what "sells papers" (or page views in
this case).  That is not something unique to any one news organization.
Even your average local conservative talk radio station does it and they
focus on news lots more than most other stations.

They are just doing to make money.  Good, bad or indifferent, that is
their ultimate goal as a business organization.

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Re: is this fair comment?????

[M. Fioretti]

On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 21:45:48 PM +, Michael Fothergill
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> I found an article on a web site called linux-watch 
> (http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html)
[...]
> 
> Is this article accurate in its reporting?

I have no idea yet, must still think about it. But there is no doubt
that posting it in full to a mailing list (=redistribution) was a
clear violation of the ToU and of copyright. Above all, an unnecessary
one: why not just post the link and your comments? It would have even
be better netiquette towards people with a metered connection,
wouldn't it?

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Re: is this fair comment?????

[Kevin Mark]

On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 09:45:48PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debianists,

> Is this article accurate in its reporting?
> 
> I am a bit puzzled by it.  For me, if I would buy CDs or DVDs from a vendor 
> or make a donation to Debian etc and some of the money was spent to pay 
> some of the developers I would not bother about it.
> 
> If most people have full time (often IT or academic) jobs and also make a 
> free contribution to Debian this is commendable.  But if the size of the 
> community grows to the point where it can pay some people to be full time 
> contributors to the project this is a sign of success to me.  Charitable 
> organizations pay some of their members and so do religions.  So do 
> political parties.
> 
> But most of them are not trying to make a profit.  I would say the 
> community is smart enough to see who is making a creative contribution 
> irrespective of whether they are being paid for it or not.
> 
> But what do I know...
> 
> Your comments are appreciated.
Hi Michael,
Debian like all FLOSS projects have volunteer contributions. Each person
contributes for a different reason. Some contribute time, money, code and
expect not to get recognition, some do. This recognition can be in the
form of money, notoriety, 'cred', reputation, responsibility, etc. So
when one person gets money for their contribution, someone else thought
that their contribution which did not get funded was less valued and
that they personally were less valued. Again, Debian has 1000+
developers and a million contributers. It depends upon what scale you
put your contribution as to whether you felt 'less valued' by Dunc-tank. 
If you consider that FLOSS is contributing to the digital commons, then
the digital commons always wins, and all people are the beneficiaries of
Debian's work.
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is this fair comment?????

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Debianists,

I found an article on a web site called linux-watch 
(http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html)


Here is the article:

***

Disgruntled Debian developers delay Etch
Dec. 18, 2006

Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, codenamed Etch, had been due to arrive by December 4, 
2006, but it's been delayed because some developers have deliberately slowed 
down their work.


Spread the word:
digg this story
According to a blog note by Andreas Barth, Debian developer and release 
manager, the delay has resulted because "Some people who used to do good 
work reduced their involvement drastically. There was nothing I could do 
about, and that happened way before I started full-time on release, but on 
the global picture that still counts."


It appears that these developers have pulled back from working on Debian 
because of their objections to Barth and fellow release manager, Steve 
Langasek, being paid to work on Debian by the Dunc-Tank.org.


Dunc-Tank.org is a group of Debian developers that set about raising funds 
to be used for "financially supporting the volunteers working on managing 
the release process, allowing them to devote their full attention to that 
task." Specifically, the group's goal was to raise enough funds to pay "both 
release managers enough to work exclusively on the release of etch for a 
month each, having Steve Langasek available full-time during October and 
Andreas Barth available full-time during November, with the release expected 
to follow soon after in the first week of December."


The group wanted to do this because Debian has a long history of being late. 
That, in fact, is one reason why the Debian-based Ubuntu distribution was 
started.


Dunc-Tank's membership includes Anthony Towns, the Debian Leader, Steve 
McIntyre, the assistant to the Debian Leader, prominent Debian developers 
Raphael Hertzog and Joey Hess, and well-known Debian and Linux kernel 
developer Ted Ts'o.


Many Debian developers denounced the Dunc-Tank proposal. Some even demanded 
that Towns be removed as leader because he supported Dunc-Tank. Their 
objection was that by financially supporting developers, Debian would become 
a two-class system and that, in turn, would be destructive to the Debian 
community.


When the matters came up for a vote in October, the Dunc-Tank plan won 
approval and the attempt to remove Towns failed.


That, however, did not turn out to be the end of the matter. Many 
developers, led by Joerg Jaspert, a well-known Debian maintainer and 
programmer, issued a position statement on October 26. In this statement, 
which was published on the Debian developers' announcement list, the 
developers spelled out why they objected to the Dunc-Tank initiative.


Jaspert also said that Dunc-Tank "has demotivated a lot of people who now 
either resigned, simply stopped doing (parts of their) Debian work or are 
doing a lot less than they did before DT was started. The freeze got delayed 
and getting the release out on schedule has become nearly impossible. We are 
unable to see any good virtue in this 'experiment.' "


"The heated discussion DT has consumed an incredible amount of time and 
energy that could also have been used in a much more productive way," 
Jaspert added. "This was probably expected from the DT initiators but didn't 
keep them from setting off this discussion at such an important time -- 
shortly before the release. Why they didn't introduce DT *after* the 
release, or much earlier in this release cycle, when there is/was time and a 
lengthy discussion would not have taken otherwise needed time is not 
understandable."


It's turned out that Jaspert was correct. The next release of Debian has 
been delayed because developers have stayed away from working on Debian 
because of their objections to two of the developers being paid.


As Barth wrote, "So, looking at the status changes during the time I spent 
full-time on release issues I think it worked well. Of course, not 
everything is perfect, but there is a clear improvement. On the other hand, 
there was a large disadvantage of the whole experiment."


Barth also announced that Etch is now fully frozen. He did not say, however, 
when Etch will finally be released.



-- Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

*


Is this article accurate in its reporting?

I am a bit puzzled by it.  For me, if I would buy CDs or DVDs from a vendor 
or make a donation to Debian etc and some of the money was spent to pay some 
of the developers I would not bother about it.


If most people have full time (often IT or academic) jobs and also make a 
free contribution to Debian this is commendable.  But if the size of the 
community grows to the point where it can pay some people to be full time 
contributors to the project this is a sign of success to me.  Charitable 
organisations p

Re: xmms alternative, please comment

[Anton Piatek]

On Saturday 25 November 2006 18:32, LeVA wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia
> keyboard's extra keys. (Now I am using xmms + itouch plugin)

I use hotkeys to get my multimedia keys working. Have been using it happily 
for ages!

Anton

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Re: xmms alternative, please comment

[Nate Bargmann]

* LeVA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 25 12:59 -0600]:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia 
> keyboard's extra keys. (Now I am using xmms + itouch plugin)

I don't know about keyboard usage, but I like Beep Media Player over
XMMS a bit.  Unfortunately, it's not being developed either anymore,
but I just like the way BMP and XXMS appear on screen and the theming
of Winamp they support.  Amarok just seems a bit heavy to me.

- Nate >>

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Re: xmms alternative, please comment

[Gabriel Parrondo]

2006/11/25, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Steve Kemp wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 07:32:28PM +0100, LeVA wrote:
>
>> I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia


And you can also use lineak, which (as far as I know) is the easiest
way to configure and use your multimedia keys.


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Re: xmms alternative, please comment

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Steve Kemp wrote:

On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 07:32:28PM +0100, LeVA wrote:

I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia 
keyboard's extra keys. (Now I am using xmms + itouch plugin)


ps.: please cc me


  You don't need to switch player to use the multimedia keys,
 simply use something like "xbindkeys" to bind the keys to
 "xmms --next", etc.

  See this brief guide:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/52

Steve


Good show. I did not know about that article.

Hugo


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Re: xmms alternative, please comment

[Steve Kemp]

On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 07:32:28PM +0100, LeVA wrote:

> I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia 
> keyboard's extra keys. (Now I am using xmms + itouch plugin)
> 
> ps.: please cc me

  You don't need to switch player to use the multimedia keys,
 simply use something like "xbindkeys" to bind the keys to
 "xmms --next", etc.

  See this brief guide:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/52

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Re: xmms alternative, please comment

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello.

LeVA, 25.11.2006 19:32:
> I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia 
> keyboard's extra keys. (Now I am using xmms + itouch plugin)

I recommend using Exaile[0]. It’s the greatest player I found so far. You dan’t
have to do much, just use your keys.


Regards, Mathias

[0] http://exaile.org/

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xmms alternative, please comment

[LeVA]

Hi!

I'm searching for an xmms alternative which can use a multimedia 
keyboard's extra keys. (Now I am using xmms + itouch plugin)

ps.: please cc me

Thanks!
Daniel

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Re: Any way to comment on bugs?

[Arthur Marsh]

Ron Johnson wrote:


Alec Berryman wrote:

Andrew Malcolmson on 2006-07-09 13:53:41 -0400:


Can anyone other than a package maintainer add comments to bug
reports?

Yes, send an email to @bugs.debian.org.  Additional
useful information is always welcome.


Better, I would say, would be to use reportbug, since it shows which
branch you are running, and displays installed dependencies.

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reportbug also has the advantages that it can be used from a console / 
serial terminal, provides fast searching of bugs for a given package and 
also searches dependencies of the given package for bugs.


I wish that the KDE bug tracker had such an interface.

Arthur.


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Re: Any way to comment on bugs?

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> Andrew Malcolmson on 2006-07-09 13:53:41 -0400:
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>> Can anyone other than a package maintainer add comments to bug
>> reports?
> 
> Yes, send an email to @bugs.debian.org.  Additional
> useful information is always welcome.

Better, I would say, would be to use reportbug, since it shows which
branch you are running, and displays installed dependencies.

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Re: Any way to comment on bugs?

[Alec Berryman]

Andrew Malcolmson on 2006-07-09 13:53:41 -0400:

> Can anyone other than a package maintainer add comments to bug reports?

Yes, send an email to @bugs.debian.org.  Additional useful
information is always welcome.

> Can I somehow 'vote' for a fix for a neglected bug?

In the Bugzilla sense of 'vote', no, you can't.  However, the more
good information you provide about a bug, the easier it is for the
maintainer to fix.  The easiest bugs to fix are the ones with patches;
those usually get done more quickly than the ones without!



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[Andrew Malcolmson]

Can anyone other than a package maintainer add comments to bug reports?

Can I somehow 'vote' for a fix for a neglected bug?

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Re: Looking for a comment editor

[Magnus Therning]

On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 11:57:01PM +1100, Star King of the Grape Trees wrote:
>Magnus Therning wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>I was aware of literate programming, and it's a great idea but
>>unfortunately not a solution that _I_ could introduce. I don't write
>>the code, I only read it. Basically I'd like a tool that does the
>>_opposite_ of *WEB. Whereas *WEB takes a single file and from it
>>extracts code or documentation, I want a tool that takes two files, a
>>source file and a comment file, and displays the two interleaved.
>>
>
>A possible solution could be to have your own branch in SVN or whatever
>vcs you use, which has the comments _in_ the file.
>
>Diff'ing this against the main branch should result in the "comment"
>files.  Ultimately, you must realise that if you have the comments in a
>separate file, you must somehow be able to realise where the comment
>comes from - the diff achieves this through a small amount of context.

Yes, I think that would work. It's an interesting idea. It should be
possible to do by (mis-)using 'quilt'. That would mean that I don't
need to use the rather quirky VCS system we're using at work. Thanks for
the idea!

/M

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Re: Looking for a comment editor

[Star King of the Grape Trees]

Magnus Therning wrote:




I was aware of literate programming, and it's a great idea but
unfortunately not a solution that _I_ could introduce. I don't write the
code, I only read it. Basically I'd like a tool that does the _opposite_
of *WEB. Whereas *WEB takes a single file and from it extracts code or
documentation, I want a tool that takes two files, a source file and a
comment file, and displays the two interleaved.



A possible solution could be to have your own branch in SVN or whatever 
vcs you use, which has the comments _in_ the file.


Diff'ing this against the main branch should result in the "comment" 
files.  Ultimately, you must realise that if you have the comments in a 
separate file, you must somehow be able to realise where the comment 
comes from - the diff achieves this through a small amount of context.


You are using a vcs, right? (Version Control System)

If your organization for some really wacked reason doesn't use a vcs, 
and refuses to install one, you could at the least install one on your 
own computer for this exact purpose.



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Re: Looking for a comment editor

[Magnus Therning]

On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 08:53:57PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
>on Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:12:57PM +, Magnus Therning ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
>> Maybe someone else has stumbled on this, either as a plugin to an editor
>> or as a stand-alone tool :-)
>> 
>> I do a fair bit of code auditing, and while trying to make sense of
>> other people's mess I take notes. So far I've done this in vi (my editor
>> of choice), but this means I always have to document where the code I'm
>> commenting is (location, filename, line number, function name, etc).
>> It'd be so much nicer if I could do the commenting right "in the
>> source". I've been looking for a tool that would "interleave" the
>> original source and my comments. Never modifying the source by saving my
>> comments separately (but still associating the comments with the source
>> in some way). Is there such a tool already?
>
>Not something I've had much direct experience with, but this sounds
>suspiciously close to Donald Knuth's "Literate Programming".  Which may
>be more an ideal than something useful, but might make a good starting
>point in your search.

I was aware of literate programming, and it's a great idea but
unfortunately not a solution that _I_ could introduce. I don't write the
code, I only read it. Basically I'd like a tool that does the _opposite_
of *WEB. Whereas *WEB takes a single file and from it extracts code or
documentation, I want a tool that takes two files, a source file and a
comment file, and displays the two interleaved.

/M

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Re: Looking for a comment editor

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:12:57PM +, Magnus Therning ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Maybe someone else has stumbled on this, either as a plugin to an editor
> or as a stand-alone tool :-)
> 
> I do a fair bit of code auditing, and while trying to make sense of
> other people's mess I take notes. So far I've done this in vi (my editor
> of choice), but this means I always have to document where the code I'm
> commenting is (location, filename, line number, function name, etc).
> It'd be so much nicer if I could do the commenting right "in the
> source". I've been looking for a tool that would "interleave" the
> original source and my comments. Never modifying the source by saving my
> comments separately (but still associating the comments with the source
> in some way). Is there such a tool already?

Not something I've had much direct experience with, but this sounds
suspiciously close to Donald Knuth's "Literate Programming".  Which may
be more an ideal than something useful, but might make a good starting
point in your search.

http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/lp.html

Literate Programming
by Donald E. Knuth (Stanford, California: Center for the Study of
Language and Information, 1992), xvi+368pp.
(CSLI Lecture Notes, no. 27.)
ISBN 0-937073-80-6
Japanese translation by Makoto Arisawa, Bungeiteki Programming
(Tokyo: ASCII Corporation, 1994), 463pp.

Literate programming is a methodology that combines a programming
language with a documentation language, thereby making programs more
robust, more portable, more easily maintained, and arguably more fun
to write than programs that are written only in a high-level
language. The main idea is to treat a program as a piece of
literature, addressed to human beings rather than to a computer. The
program is also viewed as a hypertext document, rather like the
World Wide Web. (Indeed, I used the word WEB for this purpose long
before CERN grabbed it!) This book is an anthology of essays
including my early papers on related topics such as structured
programming, as well as the article in The Computer Journal that
launched Literate Programming itself. The articles have been
revised, extended, and brought up to date. 


See also:

http://www.literateprogramming.com/
http://vasc.ri.cmu.edu/old_help/Programming/Literate/literate.html


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Looking for a comment editor

[Magnus Therning]

Maybe someone else has stumbled on this, either as a plugin to an editor
or as a stand-alone tool :-)

I do a fair bit of code auditing, and while trying to make sense of
other people's mess I take notes. So far I've done this in vi (my editor
of choice), but this means I always have to document where the code I'm
commenting is (location, filename, line number, function name, etc).
It'd be so much nicer if I could do the commenting right "in the
source". I've been looking for a tool that would "interleave" the
original source and my comments. Never modifying the source by saving my
comments separately (but still associating the comments with the source
in some way). Is there such a tool already?

/M

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Re: Mdadm not starting at boot [Comment And Solution]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 09 December 2005 10:28 pm, Andrew Cady wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 05:59:34AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > you know I had/have the same problem ...
> >
> > I finally broke down and wrote my own init script that I run in
> > runlevels 2-5 that basically has
> >
> > mdadm -A -s
>
> This is supposed to be run in /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid.  Check that this
> script exists, that appropriate rcS.d symlinks exist, that the script
> has not been edited to disable mdadm and that /etc/default/mdadm has not
> been set to disable mdadm.

That's one reason I did NOT want to write my own scripts for this.  I have one 
system where a RAID 5 in an almost identical configuration that works 
perfectly.  I set it up with a one line command, created the file system on 
it, and from then on it's acted like a single drive for me.  I figured if 
that isn't happening on this system, there is a reason for it, and 
considering that part of the data I am storing on this drive is everything 
I've ever written since I started using a computer, if there is a reason 
mdadm isn't working correctly, I wanted to fix the problem and NOT the 
symptoms.  (Yes, I have backups of my writing, but I'm paranoid.  I don't 
treat any copy as dispensable -- that's why it's on a RAID.)

As for the solution: This system has a KT7A motherboard, with onboard RAID.  I 
did NOT use the onboard RAID setup (it only did RAID 0 and 1)!  I simply used 
it as JBOD, so I had four drives hooked up on the 2 IDE channels it provided.  
According to the info I had, I should have been able to use the drives as 
JBOD, and when I initialized and tested them, they behaved properly.  I 
noticed, though, once I backed up the RAID and disassembled it, I had 
problems with the drives when I tested them.  I wiped all four disks, used 
parted and fdisk to create a partition on each drive.  When I rebooted, the 
partitions were gone.  I finally got 1 ext3 partition established on each 
drive, and when I rebooted, the motherboard didn't like the drive formats.  I 
have no idea why, but since this is a server, I decided to swap the 
motherboard with one not as powerful (it records sound from the radio at 
times, but otherwise, basically serves files and print jobs).

I replaced it, added an IDE card to the mobo, re-partitioned the drives, and 
set up mdadm like it should be set up.  Once I did that, I ran through 
something like 5 reboot tests, and each time it worked just fine -- the new 
RAID 5 came up like a regular drive, ready for use.

So it turned out that the extra 2 IDE channels on the mobo were funky, seemed 
to mess with the format of non-Windows drives, and, in at least one case, got 
nasty when I used drives with ext3 formatting.

Hal


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COMMENT GAGNEZ DE L'ARGENT AVEC PAYPAL

[Jian.Zhi]

Title: _ro _èo r_focoè_ègyokyho _ètr








INVESTISSEZ  
5   EUROS   POUR  
EN   GAGNER   DES  
CENTAINES   VOIR  DES  
MILLIERSEN   QUELQUES   
SEMAINES.

 

JE   RECOISREGULIEREMENT   DES  PAIEMENTS   DE  
5   EUROS   SUR  
MON   COMPTE  PAYPAL, 
J  EN  AI   GAGNE   DES  
CENTAINES   DEPUIS   QUE  
J AI   DECOUVERT   CE  
CONCEPT   ET   JE   
N   AI   VERSE   QUE   5 
EUROS   UNE   SEULE  
ET   UNIQUE   FOIS.

 

 

 

 

 

1-La méthode. (Prenez bien le temps de comprendre le concept avant de vous
lancer,

 il  n'y a absolument aucune arnaque).

 

 

Vous disposez d'une liste de 3 adresses emails : 

 

 

1- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

 

Commencez par ouvrir un compte paypal :

 

 

Vous ouvrez un compte Paypal, c'est gratuit et ça prend 2
minutes, qui vous permettra d'effectuer des paiements avec votre adresse email
et de recevoir des paiements par la même occasion (faites bien attention
d'ouvrir un compte premier
pour pouvoir recevoir les paiements).

 C'est une loi
indéniable de l'univers : «nous devons d'abord donner afin de recevoir».
Ainsi, la  chose à faire quand vous avez
votre compte PREMIER PayPal, est d'envoyer 5? depuis votre compte PayPal à la
PREMIERE adresse email situé dans la liste ci-dessus.

 


!(C'est le seul et unique paiement que vous effectuerez) !

 

 

 

Pour ouvrir un compte Paypal, allez  à l'adresse ci dessous :

 

 


 www.paypal.com/fr/mrb/pal=T8RVWPGKK2J2E

 

 

Puis
cliquez sur "utilisez Paypal", puis "inscrivez-vous" et là
choisissez "compte premier"et laissez vous guider.

 

 

Une
fois votre compte ouvert, voici les étapes à suivre :

 

 

1-
Approvisionnez votre compte Paypal de 5 euros: pour ceci, allez dans
"mon compte"

puis cliquez sur 
"approvisionner"  et
suivez les consignes pour créditer votre compte 

   de  5 Euros.

 

 

2- Une
fois votre compte crédité, cliquez sur l'icône en haut de page «PAIEMENT»




3- Dans
la case «Adresse email du destinataire» 
écrivez la PREMIERE adresse email de la 

 liste des 3 ci-dessus.




4- Dans
la case  «Montant»  inscrivez 5?.



    (Ca sera votre seul et unique paiement).



 

5- Dans la case 
«Catégorie de l´achat» 
choisissez «service» (bien qu'il n'importe pas vraiment ce que vous
mettez ici, c'est pour les propres références de PayPal).




6. Dans la grande case «Note» écrivez :"Please add
me to your mailing list."

Soyez sûr d'ajouter cette note, c'est ce qui 
MAINTIENT CE PROGRAMME LÉGAL.




7. Enfin, cliquer sur le bouton  «Continuer»  pour valider
le paiement. C'est tout!
   

 

  Visitez mon site Internet :   www.u-blog.net/gagnez1000euros

   (Pour une liste à 5 emails)

 

 

 

Copier et modifier ce document :

 

Ensuite, faites une copie de ce document (surlignez le texte
en entier, faites un clic droit sur le texte, puis sélectionnez  « copier » , ouvrez une page
blanche sur Word et sur cette page faites un clic droit puis sélectionnez  « coller » ).

 

Maintenant, vous allez modifier la liste d'emails pour y
placer votre email en 3ème position mais pas n'importe
comment :

 

Retirez l'email placé en position 1 de la liste et mettez à
sa place l'email de la position 2. 

Placez en position 2 
l'email n°3.

Et enfin placez en position 3 votre email à vous
(celui avec lequel vous avez ouvert le compte paypal).

 

 

2-Comment fonctionne le
système

 

 

Une fois votre nom en 3ème position de la
liste, vous allez diffuser ce document à un maximum de personnes pour avoir les
meilleures chances de recevoir un maximum de paiements.

 

 

Explications : 

 

 

En
imaginant que vous envoyez ce document à 40 personnes. Parmi ces 40
personnes, 6 sont  intéressés
et vont participées. 

Ces
personnes vont faire comme vous : ouvrir un compte paypal, versé 5 euros
et modifier la liste pour être en 3ème position, vous passerez donc
en 2ème position. 

 

 

En
supposant que chacune de ces 6 personnes envoie ce document à 40 personnes
et que 6 personnes participent, on peut faire le calcul : 6 x
6= 36  personnes possédant votre
email en 2ème position.

 

 

Ces 36
personnes vont faire la même chose, c'est-à-dire verser 5 euros et modifier la
liste (vous passerez donc en première position), et à ce moment-là, vous
pouvez estimer le nombre de personnes qui vont vous envoyer 5 euros.



 

Estimation pour 6
participants par niveau : (plus il y aura de participants, plus vous
gagnerez)

 

Niv 0 :   Vous.  

Niv 1 :   6  personnes r

Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[David Jardine]

On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 10:05:05AM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from David Jardine:
> > On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:08:02PM -0400, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > > David Jardine wrote:
> > > 
> > > >I've never had the courage to file a bug and wouldn't know where to 
> > > >start, but I'm sure someone else on the list can explain.
> > > 
> > >It is really easy to file a bug report. Just install reportbug 
> > 
> > Thanks for the explanation and encouragement, raju.  I've disovered 
> > that I did in fact install reportbug, but looking at the manpage I 
> > realise that I'm way out of my depth here.  When it comes to bugs 
> 
> See /etc/reportbug.conf.  There's lots of comments explaining things.
> Minus comments, mine is so:
> 
>   ---
> bts debian
> submit
> mua 'mutt -H'
> header "X-Silly-Header: I have edited my /etc/reportbug.conf"
> no-ldap
> query-bts
> cc
> config-files
> compress
> no-ldap
> mirror us
> mirror uk
> sign gpg
> email "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> realname "s. keeling"
> editor 'emacs -nw'
>   ---
> 
> When you run reportbug (as a user, not as root), it'll walk you
> through the whole process.  Prior to that, try to find out what Debian
> package it is that you're reporting a bug for (ie., "dpkg -S
> /some/relevant/file"); it'll ask for that.  Then it'll query the bts
> for you, displaying extant bugs, and ask you if your problem is
> mentioned in them.
> 
> If it's not already there, report it.  reportbug will ask questions,
> open an editor to compose mail where you can supply relevant details,
> etc.  That'll go out to the package's maintainer, who'll mail you for
> more details, an explanation of what's happening, or perhaps a
> solution.  Kinda fun, really, and can be quite educational.

You people are just unbelievably kind to take the trouble with 
people like me.  I really appreciate it.

Okay, bugs, here I come...


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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[s. keeling]

Incoming from David Jardine:
> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:08:02PM -0400, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > David Jardine wrote:
> > 
> > >I've never had the courage to file a bug and wouldn't know where to 
> > >start, but I'm sure someone else on the list can explain.
> > 
> >It is really easy to file a bug report. Just install reportbug 
> 
> Thanks for the explanation and encouragement, raju.  I've disovered 
> that I did in fact install reportbug, but looking at the manpage I 
> realise that I'm way out of my depth here.  When it comes to bugs 

See /etc/reportbug.conf.  There's lots of comments explaining things.
Minus comments, mine is so:

  ---
bts debian
submit
mua 'mutt -H'
header "X-Silly-Header: I have edited my /etc/reportbug.conf"
no-ldap
query-bts
cc
config-files
compress
no-ldap
mirror us
mirror uk
sign gpg
email "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
realname "s. keeling"
editor 'emacs -nw'
  ---

When you run reportbug (as a user, not as root), it'll walk you
through the whole process.  Prior to that, try to find out what Debian
package it is that you're reporting a bug for (ie., "dpkg -S
/some/relevant/file"); it'll ask for that.  Then it'll query the bts
for you, displaying extant bugs, and ask you if your problem is
mentioned in them.

If it's not already there, report it.  reportbug will ask questions,
open an editor to compose mail where you can supply relevant details,
etc.  That'll go out to the package's maintainer, who'll mail you for
more details, an explanation of what's happening, or perhaps a
solution.  Kinda fun, really, and can be quite educational.


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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[David Jardine]

On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:08:02PM -0400, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> David Jardine wrote:
> 
> >I've never had the courage to file a bug and wouldn't know where to 
> >start, but I'm sure someone else on the list can explain.
> >
> >
> 
> Hey,
> 
>It is really easy to file a bug report. Just install reportbug 
> package and it will do all the 'dirty' work. You need to have an active 
> connection to the internet. You need not have a mail server running 
> etc., if that is what you are worried about. reportbug is just great.
> 

Thanks for the explanation and encouragement, raju.  I've disovered 
that I did in fact install reportbug, but looking at the manpage I 
realise that I'm way out of my depth here.  When it comes to bugs 
versus my cluelessness, it's no contest!

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"Running Debian GNU/Linux and
loving every minute of it."  -L. von Sacher-M.(1835-1895)


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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

David Jardine wrote:

I've never had the courage to file a bug and wouldn't know where to 
start, but I'm sure someone else on the list can explain.





Hey,

   It is really easy to file a bug report. Just install reportbug 
package and it will do all the 'dirty' work. You need to have an active 
connection to the internet. You need not have a mail server running 
etc., if that is what you are worried about. reportbug is just great.


raju


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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[David Jardine]

On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 09:01:05AM -0400, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> On Sat 21 May 05,  8:30 AM, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 01:53:28PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:25:21AM +0200, Jacobo221 wrote:
> > > > In Debian Sarge, in /etc/modules out-of-the-box, the comments say that
> > > > nything after '#' is ingored. But this is wrong. Only lines which BEGIN
> > > > with '#' are ignored. This should be changed.
> > > 
> > > Hmm.  'Comments begin with a "#", and everything on the line after 
> > > them are ignored', says mine.
> > 
> > Yes, but in some languages the "start the comment here" string (for instance
> > "//") can come at any point in the line, say after an executed statement. 
> > Jacobo is saying that the "#" only works a the beginning of a line.
> 
> is that really true?   you mean I can't have a line in /etc/modules that
> looks like:
> 
>lego# device driver for the lego mindstorms USB tower
> 
> that's too bad if it's true.
> 

No, it's not true.  I've just tried it with:

ide-scsi # 8139too

and the first module is loaded but not the second.

With:

ide-scsi # just a comment
8139too # just a comment

both are loaded normally with no complaints about the comments. 

> pete
> 
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> that good is embodied and continued in the next theory. -- Albert Einstein
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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[Peter Jay Salzman]

On Sat 21 May 05,  8:30 AM, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 01:53:28PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:25:21AM +0200, Jacobo221 wrote:
> > > In Debian Sarge, in /etc/modules out-of-the-box, the comments say that
> > > nything after '#' is ingored. But this is wrong. Only lines which BEGIN
> > > with '#' are ignored. This should be changed.
> > 
> > Hmm.  'Comments begin with a "#", and everything on the line after 
> > them are ignored', says mine.
> 
> Yes, but in some languages the "start the comment here" string (for instance
> "//") can come at any point in the line, say after an executed statement. 
> Jacobo is saying that the "#" only works a the beginning of a line.

is that really true?   you mean I can't have a line in /etc/modules that
looks like:

   lego# device driver for the lego mindstorms USB tower

that's too bad if it's true.

pete

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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[Carl Fink]

On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 01:53:28PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:25:21AM +0200, Jacobo221 wrote:
> > In Debian Sarge, in /etc/modules out-of-the-box, the comments say that
> > nything after '#' is ingored. But this is wrong. Only lines which BEGIN
> > with '#' are ignored. This should be changed.
> 
> Hmm.  'Comments begin with a "#", and everything on the line after 
> them are ignored', says mine.

Yes, but in some languages the "start the comment here" string (for instance
"//") can come at any point in the line, say after an executed statement. 
Jacobo is saying that the "#" only works a the beginning of a line.
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Re: /etc/modules comment is wrong

[David Jardine]

On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 03:25:21AM +0200, Jacobo221 wrote:
> In Debian Sarge, in /etc/modules out-of-the-box, the comments say that 
> nything after '#' is ingored. But this is wrong. Only lines which BEGIN with 
> '#' are ignored. This should be changed.

Hmm.  'Comments begin with a "#", and everything on the line after 
them are ignored', says mine.

Most people know the principle and understand what is meant, but if 
you're coming across this for the first time, the statement, apart 
from being ungrammatical, could easily be interpreted as meaning that 
the line following a comment is ignored.

'Everything up to the end of the line is ignored,' would be clearer.

> Since /etc/modules appears to not be placed by any package but instead 
> dynamically created, I wonder where should I file this "bug".

I've never had the courage to file a bug and wouldn't know where to 
start, but I'm sure someone else on the list can explain.

> Therefore, I leave here the report, and hope it reaches the right people.

There's no harm in hoping, I suppose, but it won't achieve anything :).

Cheers,
David

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/etc/modules comment is wrong

[Jacobo221]

In Debian Sarge, in /etc/modules out-of-the-box, the comments say that nything 
after '#' is ingored. But this is wrong. Only lines which BEGIN with '#' are 
ignored. This should be changed.

Since /etc/modules appears to not be placed by any package but instead 
dynamically created, I wonder where should I file this "bug".

Therefore, I leave here the report, and hope it reaches the right people.

Greets!


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Re: Max size of data in C++ prog? Another comment

[Paul E Condon]

On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 11:31:13AM -0500, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:32:12 +1100 Sam Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >there are two different data segments for a C or C++ program,
> >the stack and the heap.
> >
> >stack space is (apparently) limited under Linux.
> >If you declare an array like this in a function:
> >
> >  char c[10*1024*1024];
> >
> >and write to it all, this will cause a segfault on Linux.
> 
> That was my problem.
> 
> >The heap can get much bigger, you can malloc as much as you want on the 
> >heap
> >(up to the limits of VM and process address space) and it won't segfault, 
> >e.g.
> >
> >  char *c = malloc(100*1024*1024);
> >  int i;
> >  for (i=0; i > c[i] = 'x';
> >  free(c);
> 
> Thanks, allocating space with malloc worked great.  I get my character 
> array with 6800 bytes (2000 x 34000) with no problems.
> 
> >
> >you need to:
> >
> >#include 
> >
> >to use malloc.
> 
> malloc.h must have been included by one of my other include files, as I 
> did not include it directly.
> 
> >C++ allocates data on the heap when you use "new", and the STL containers
> >allocate their elements on the heap.  For example these are ok:
> >
> >  char *c = new char[100*1024*1024];
> >  // ...
> >  delete[] c;
> >
> >  vector v;
> >  int i;
> >  for (i=0; i<1000; ++i)
> > v.push_back(i);
> 
> Vectors are single dimensional, I believe, so they wont work in this 
> case, but I will remember them for the future
> 

When one defines an STL vector with, for instance:

vector< int > v;

inside a routine, it has the appearance of being allocated on the stack.
This is true, but not really true. A small control block is on the stack,
but the data 'contained' in the vector is actually on the heap. C++
takes care of deallocating it when it runs its destructor on v. So C++
is more economical in use of stack space than C, and still safe against
mistakes that can happen when using globally allocated store.

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Re: swapping master & slave HDs: what to change? (solved - pls comment!)

[SpamHog]

Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> if of is the new target disk, it will wipe out your partition table of
> your new disk ( bs=446 or bs=448 is better ) if you want to preserve
> the partitions on the target disk

I'd never advocate if = source disk, of = destination disk with
bs=512!  That was in the BACKUP section, so that one could return to
the status quo ante in case of shit | fan.

Interesting point: what's in bytes 447 and 448?

BR from SpamHog


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Re: swapping master & slave HDs: what to change? (solved - pls comment!)

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya

On 2 Oct 2004, SpamHog wrote:

to swap disks ...
== make sure you have a boot floppy and a boot cd
== that can boot into that disk you are currently using

/dev/hda  --> /dev/hdb

change hda->hdb in /etc/fstab

change hda->hdb in /etc/lilo.conf
-- or --
change hd0 to hd1 in /boot/grub/menu.list

- boot the disk after its been physiclly swapped on the cables ...
lilo# vmlinuz root=/dev/hda ( the new hda -- was prev hdb )

same for editing the grub cmd line to chanage root=/dev/hda

- any mbr info ( including floppy, cd, .. ) can boot into the rootfs
  of the new swapped disk

- once its boot ... run lilo ...
- reboot again and now you dont need the other boot media
( cd, floppy or old hda to boot the new hda )

- or do it the hard way ..
chroot /mnt/new-swapped lilo --> leads to loads of fun

( you probably will still want a boot media to rescue
( the box if the new swapped disk doesnt boot

other stuff is too much work

> * MBR or whole boot sector:
> If you use Lilo, you just need the boot record (first 512 bytes).  If
> you use another bootloader like GRUB, you'd better backup the whoe 1st
> SECTOR, i.e. the first 64 records.  GRUB stores the so called "stage
> 1.5" in trat area.  GAG puts code there too.
> 
> * Just the MBR:
>   dd count=1 bs=512 if=/dev/hda of=

if of is the new target disk, it will wipe out your partition table of
your new disk ( bs=446 or bs=448 is better ) if you want to preserve
the partitions on the target disk

c ya
alvin


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swapping master & slave HDs: what to change? (solved - pls comment!)

[SpamHog]

*Thanks to John Summerfield for the pointers*

If you have multiple Linuces on a couple of drives,
and for whatever silly reason you want
to swap IDE master and slave drives,
here's what to look out for,
using GRUB as bootloader and GAG as boot selector.



1) PREPARE BOOT MEDIA
1.1) Make a GRUB-only boot floppy or CD, depending on what media your
comp can boot from.  GRUB understands several filesystems and can be
pointed to any kernel in any partition, and be instructed what
partition to use as "/".
1.2) Make a GAG boot diskette. There are both Lin & Win installers
that make multilingual boot/install diskettes.  Once GAG is on a
diskette, it can be installed to the MBR of the master disk, AND also
onto another (monolingual) diskette, which can be used to re-intall
onto HD and back on FD ad infinitum.
1.3) Also, have recovery CD's and FD's ready, just in case, although
the risk of messing up is rather modest.



2) GET INFO
2.1) Identify all the HDs and check on the manufacturers' websites if
they have any special jumpering needs: some HD's don't like having the
slave appear and disappear.  My master (an IBM 40GB) has extra jumpers
to "force slave present".
2.2) For each installed system get the _exact_ info about which kernel
is loaded.  Assuming each system is booted by its own,
default-installed bootloader (LILO or GRUB), the info is to found in
two possible places:  either in /etc/lilo.conf or in
/boot/grub/menu.lst.  If you find a reference to a generic "vmlinuz"
in / , make sure it's not a link - if it is, go find the target.



3) BACK UP BOOT CODE AND SETTINGS
3.1) For each installed system, backup /etc/fstab, /etc/lilo.conf or
/boot/grub/menu.lst.
3.2) Back up the boot sectors, both the MBR of the master disk and the
boot records of each partition, using dd.

* MBR or whole boot sector:
If you use Lilo, you just need the boot record (first 512 bytes).  If
you use another bootloader like GRUB, you'd better backup the whoe 1st
SECTOR, i.e. the first 64 records.  GRUB stores the so called "stage
1.5" in trat area.  GAG puts code there too.

* Just the MBR:
dd count=1 bs=512 if=/dev/hda of=
* Whole sector:
dd count=64 bs=512 if=/dev/hda of=

* Boot partitions' boot records:
dd count=1 bs=512 if=/dev/hd of=
* Boot partitions' whole sectors:
dd count=64 bs=512 if=/dev/hd of=



4) SWAP fstab REFERENCES
For each installed system, edit /etc/fstab to carefully swap all
references to hda and hdb.



5) SWAP CONNECTIONS
Physically swap the drives, including moving the jumpers as to match
the position on the IDE ribbon cable. The Master should be attached to
the plug at the end of the ribbon, the slave at the intermediate plug.



6) grub JARGON ALERT!
   6.1) Grub uses this numbering to identify drives and partitions:
- drives are always named between round brackets
- any numbering begins with zero
- primary IDE partitions are 0, 1, 2, 3
- logical IDE partitions are 4, 5, 6, ...
so translating from "fstabese" to "grubian" /dev/hda will become
(hd0), and /dev/hdb6  will become (hd1,5).
   6.2) Grub is deliciously ambiguous with the concept of "root". 
Within a couple of lines, root is used FIRST to indicate which
filesystem should be accessed to find the kernel, THEN to indicate
where the operating system's root is located, and the two should not
be confused.



7) REBOOT
Reboot using the GRUB boot media.  You'll get to the GRUB command line
interface that allows you to select kernel and root partition, bearing
in mind the dialect that grub speaks.  Under normal circumstances, you
will have to issue exactly three commands:
a) SET THE "BOOT" ROOT, specifying the partition where the kernel is.
b) IDENTIFY THE KERNEL with full path and exact filename, starting
from the "boot" root defined above, _AND_ SETTING THE "SYSTEM" ROOT
specifying the partition where the operating system root partition is.
 The two are accomplished in the same command line.
c) TELL GRUB TO BOOT.

An example:
the kernel is the file vmlinuz-2.8.39 sitting in /boot/,
where /dev/hda5 is mounted on /boot,
and hda1 is mounted on /.
(Don't ask, just an example).

Once you get to the grub prompt:

root (hd0,4)
kernel=/vmlinuz-2.8.39 root=(hd0,0)
boot

Interesting messages:

- If you select a "boot" root that grub does not understand,
  it will complain immediately.

- If you omit the "system" root but specify the kernel,
  and the "boot" root is the same as the "system" root,
  then it's OK, no error message.

- If you indicate a nonexistent kernel or a messy path,
  it will complain.

- If the two roots do not correspond,
  and you failed to enter the "system" root, you'll get something
  like:
"I have no root and I want to scream".

If all goes well, you'll boot into a fully functioning system, ready
to reinstall the bootloader(s).



8) INSTALL GRUB

Get grub on your system if not there already, as a Debian package. As
root:
apt-get install

Re: Comment on running Debian on AMD 64

[Johann Spies]

On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 11:17:08AM -0700, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:49:11AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I'm prepared to upgrade a PC to AMD 64.  Any comment in respect of
> > running Debian on AMD 64 will be appreciated.
> 
> Take a look at http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/amd64/
> 
> It is currently only supported in unstable, but it might be in the
> stable Sarge.
> 

You could also look at ubuntulinux (http://www.ubuntulinux.org) which
takes a snapshot from Debian Unstable to create their distribution and
which does support AMD 64.

Regards
Johann
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  he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which
  the Lord hath promised to them that love him."
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Re: Comment on running Debian on AMD 64

[Sven Hoexter]

On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 11:17:08AM -0700, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:49:11AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I'm prepared to upgrade a PC to AMD 64.  Any comment in respect of
> > running Debian on AMD 64 will be appreciated.
> 
> Take a look at http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/amd64/
> 
> It is currently only supported in unstable, but it might be in the
> stable Sarge.
Nope it will definetly not enter sarge! There will be an unoffical sarge
build for amd64 that's all.
http://release.debian.org/sarge.html

Sven
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Re: Comment on running Debian on AMD 64

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:49:11AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm prepared to upgrade a PC to AMD 64.  Any comment in respect of
> running Debian on AMD 64 will be appreciated.

Take a look at http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/amd64/

It is currently only supported in unstable, but it might be in the
stable Sarge.

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Comment on running Debian on AMD 64

[Stephen Liu]

Hi folks,

I'm prepared to upgrade a PC to AMD 64.  Any comment
in respect of running Debian on AMD 64 will be
appreciated.

TIA

B.R.
Stephen Liu


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Re: Comment on HP printer working on Debian 3.0

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Antonio Rodr wrote:
> I have a hp dj 5550, connected via parallel port, but can be connected
> via usb too. Works great, except printing pictures from gimp, I tried
> once 2 or 3 months ago, didn't work great, and since I print mostly
> documents I forgot about it until now trying to respond to your message.
> Docs (text, html, dvi, ps, pdf) are printed with high quality, using the
> hpijs from sourceforge.net

It will work quite well from gimp too, as long as you teach gimp NOT to try
to use anything other than lp (or xpp, or lpr) to print.  Set it to a
postscript printer, save the PPD somewhere gimp can use and point it to the
PPD file, and all will be well.

I have a DJ5550 printing from CUPS, and with a proper gimp setup, I can
print in full photo mode without any problems, using normal cartridges, or
the photo cartridge.

This printer is nice in that it does all detection of paper and print
quality automatically, but it _does waste ink_, and nothing we can do in the
hpijs driver will fix it, since the printer does internal colormap
processing on the data sent to it, and uses whatever ink it sees fit.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Comment on HP printer working on Debian 3.0

[Brad Sims]

On Saturday 20 December 2003 4:37 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just got a used HP Laserjet 6L on Ebay for $65+shipping.

I have a a HP LaserJet4+, with 50M of ram, Postscript, and JetDirect; I got
on ebay for ~$130USD /with/ shipping. Works a treat with CUPS, and 
gimp-print.

My inkspitter is a Epson C80 that works *better* under Linux than under 
Win98SE.

Unless you are intending to print photos (and with Wally-World doing it for 
something like 30 cents, why do it yourself), get a laser. I can print 80 sheets
per $40 dollar inkjet cartridge vs printing 3000 sheets for $50 with my laser



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Re: Comment on HP printer working on Debian 3.0

[Wayne Topa]

Antonio Rodr([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:44:38 +0800
> Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I am looking for an economical printer for printing documents. The
> > printer shall work on Debian 3.0 OS. Some shops recommend HP Deskjet
> > 3550 with USB plug.
> > 
> > Any folk has experience on the abovementioned printer. Any comment or
> > another suggestion are welcome.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Season's Greetings and B.R.
> > satimis
> 
> I have a hp dj 5550, connected via parallel port, but can be connected
> via usb too. Works great, except printing pictures from gimp, I tried
> once 2 or 3 months ago, didn't work great, and since I print mostly
> documents I forgot about it until now trying to respond to your message.
> Docs (text, html, dvi, ps, pdf) are printed with high quality, using the
> hpijs from sourceforge.net

Antonio

  I print pictures on my HP LJ6P good since I installed the
  gimp1.2-print package.  You might have good luck with
  
ijsgimpprint - Inkjet Server - Ghostscript driver for Gimp-Print

 This package contains the ijsgimpprint binary which provides
 Ghostscript with a Gimp-Print driver, including all printers
 supported by Gimp-Print.
 .
 This is Gimp-Print version 4.2.5, a stable release in
 the 4.2 line.
 .
 Gimp-Print is the print facility for the Gimp, and in addition a
 suite of drivers that may be used with common UNIX spooling systems
 using GhostScript or CUPS.  These drivers provide printing quality
 for UNIX/Linux on a par with proprietary vendor-supplied drivers in
 many cases, and can be used for many of the most demanding printing
 tasks.

Happy Holidays!

Wayne
-- 
Computer programmers do it byte by byte
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