Re: Debian question
> > > I am new to debian and trying to learn about its operating system. > > I am trying to learn how processor management techniques utilized and its > functions, quantum, interrupts and multiprocessor. I am confused and trying > to find particular resources related to these topics. > You need the book "Understanding Linux kernel", google for it)
Re: Debian question
jacky cheung wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to debian and trying to learn about its operating system. > > I am trying to learn how processor management techniques utilized and its > functions, quantum, interrupts and multiprocessor. I am confused and trying > to find particular resources related to these topics. What are the best > resources or communities that could help me find and research more about > these? please advise. These things are done by the Linux kernel, not specifically by Debian. You should see the kernel documentation: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/ -dsr-
Re: Debian question
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:27 AM jacky cheung wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to debian and trying to learn about its operating system. > > I am trying to learn how processor management techniques utilized and its > functions, quantum, interrupts and multiprocessor. I am confused and trying > to find particular resources related to these topics. What are the best > resources or communities that could help me find and research more about > these? please advise. > > First search "what Debian is?" > It's a software distribution for Gnu/linux and others Processor management, interrupts, SMP scheduling are handled by the kernels like linux kernel So if you want to research about them try searching for Linux internals, smp, scheduling, etc... >
Debian question
Hi, I am new to debian and trying to learn about its operating system. I am trying to learn how processor management techniques utilized and its functions, quantum, interrupts and multiprocessor. I am confused and trying to find particular resources related to these topics. What are the best resources or communities that could help me find and research more about these? please advise. Thank You
Re: Debian question
You probably want to direct your questions to the list instead of to individuals, because the list as a whole is generally more knowledgeable than any one individual (such as in this case; I know next to nothing about python), and because the exchange is archived and therefore available for future seekers of similar information. / Kent On 1/23/11 6:05 PM, Kimberly Harvey wrote: Thanks! I have a question, why is it that in the terminal, after I entered python manage. py syncdb, then there's a error which says that I haven't set the database ENGINE settings yet. I opened the settings.py file and the ENGINE says 'django/db/backends/sqlite3'. You know why?? On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Kent West we...@acu.edu mailto:we...@acu.edu wrote: On 1/22/11 7:03 PM, Kimberly Harvey wrote: I have installed the django into the linux-Debian on my machine. I ran the linux program, and a black screen pops up asking for the root password. I did that, then the next thing it shows is the Debian:~# What does that mean? I am trying to go into the Django site where it has the internet, the terminals, etc. So how can I access that?? (CCing the original poster, suspecting he may not be subscribed) I quickly googled for django; looks to be a python-based web-app development tool. Your question doesn't quite make sense; it sounds like you installed Debian for the first time in addition to django, and you're not familiar with Debian, or with GNU/Linux in general. It sounds like you want to have a graphical system running; currently, you just have a text-based system running on your Debian box. You may already have the X Windowing System installed (which will give you graphics), in which case you can just enter the command startx . If it's not installed, you'll have to install it; probably the quickest easiest way is to run tasksel and choose the option to install a graphical desktop environment, which should pretty much give you everything you'll be wanting. -- Kent
Re: Debian question
Question, after I entered python manage. py syncdb, then there's a error which says that I haven't set the database ENGINE settings yet. I opened the settings.py file and the ENGINE says 'django/db/backends/sqlite3'. You know why I'm facing this problem?? On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Kent West we...@acu.edu wrote: You probably want to direct your questions to the list instead of to individuals, because the list as a whole is generally more knowledgeable than any one individual (such as in this case; I know next to nothing about python), and because the exchange is archived and therefore available for future seekers of similar information. / Kent On 1/23/11 6:05 PM, Kimberly Harvey wrote: Thanks! I have a question, why is it that in the terminal, after I entered python manage. py syncdb, then there's a error which says that I haven't set the database ENGINE settings yet. I opened the settings.py file and the ENGINE says 'django/db/backends/sqlite3'. You know why?? On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Kent West we...@acu.edu wrote: On 1/22/11 7:03 PM, Kimberly Harvey wrote: I have installed the django into the linux-Debian on my machine. I ran the linux program, and a black screen pops up asking for the root password. I did that, then the next thing it shows is the Debian:~# What does that mean? I am trying to go into the Django site where it has the internet, the terminals, etc. So how can I access that?? (CCing the original poster, suspecting he may not be subscribed) I quickly googled for django; looks to be a python-based web-app development tool. Your question doesn't quite make sense; it sounds like you installed Debian for the first time in addition to django, and you're not familiar with Debian, or with GNU/Linux in general. It sounds like you want to have a graphical system running; currently, you just have a text-based system running on your Debian box. You may already have the X Windowing System installed (which will give you graphics), in which case you can just enter the command startx . If it's not installed, you'll have to install it; probably the quickest easiest way is to run tasksel and choose the option to install a graphical desktop environment, which should pretty much give you everything you'll be wanting. -- Kent
Re: Debian question
Kimberly Harvey kharve...@gmail.com writes: Question, after I entered python manage. py syncdb, then there's a error which says that I haven't set the database ENGINE settings yet. I opened the settings.py file and the ENGINE says 'django/db/backends/sqlite3'. You know why I'm facing this problem?? [This question is about Django, not about Debian, so it is more appropriate for the django-users list: http://groups.google.com/group/django-users] My guess is that even though you have configured the ENGINE variable, you have not specified various other properties that the sqlite3 engine requires. For example, with the sqlite3 backend, you need to specify a file path for the database (since sqlite stores databases in a single file). Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d3nnf3gz@berkeley.edu
Re: Debian question
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Richard Lawrence richard.lawre...@berkeley.edu wrote: Kimberly Harvey kharve...@gmail.com writes: Question, after I entered python manage. py syncdb, then there's a error which says that I haven't set the database ENGINE settings yet. I opened the settings.py file and the ENGINE says 'django/db/backends/sqlite3'. You know why I'm facing this problem?? [This question is about Django, not about Debian, so it is more appropriate for the django-users list: http://groups.google.com/group/django-users] yes, since this message is off topic and since the user doesn't seem to know much about the facilities he's using, i did a quick search in my bugtrac folder in gmail for django, and picked the first result on the list. this is what django is: == = Ubuntu Security Notice USN-1040-1 January 07, 2011 python-django vulnerabilities CVE-2010-4534, CVE-2010-4535 === ie, a security risk. unless you are running quick reports from within a dev machine that you don't really care about - look elsewhere. i would not think of this as a production product. however, i'm sure you can find tons of debian tutorials on getting a django environment running. you should also be able to find some django mailing lists and irc rooms. either way, take the advise of prior posts and do some homework before posting and you'll get more helpful responses.
Debian question
I have installed the django into the linux-Debian on my machine. I ran the linux program, and a black screen pops up asking for the root password. I did that, then the next thing it shows is the Debian:~# What does that mean? I am trying to go into the Django site where it has the internet, the terminals, etc. So how can I access that??
Re: Debian question
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 19:03 -0600, Kimberly Harvey wrote: I have installed the django into the linux-Debian on my machine. I ran the linux program, and a black screen pops up asking for the root password. I did that, then the next thing it shows is the Debian:~# What does that mean? The pound sign means you're logged in as root. Be careful what you do. I am trying to go into the Django site where it has the internet, the terminals, etc. So how can I access that?? I don't know...did you read the manual? Sometimes that helps. :) -- Petrus Validus petrus.vali...@gmail.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1295746192.18056.3.camel@Axon.8EEWS
Re: Debian question
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:03:57 -0600 Kimberly Harvey kharve...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed the django into the linux-Debian on my machine. I ran the linux program, and a black screen pops up asking for the root password. I did that, then the next thing it shows is the Debian:~# What does that mean? I am trying to go into the Django site where it has the internet, the terminals, etc. So how can I access that?? I hate to come off as a complete ass. If anything I hope you take this as a way to better understand both your system and the technical communities as a whole. You must remember when you post a question we have no idea what is going on in your head or what you have tried. You need to be very specific. I mean to the point of too much detail, believe me there is no such thing when it comes to systems. I mean no offense to you personally, but you should really consider the following guidelines. http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Good luck and bring back some details. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110122204337.22de1a09@t61.debian-linux
Re: Debian question
On 1/22/11 7:03 PM, Kimberly Harvey wrote: I have installed the django into the linux-Debian on my machine. I ran the linux program, and a black screen pops up asking for the root password. I did that, then the next thing it shows is the Debian:~# What does that mean? I am trying to go into the Django site where it has the internet, the terminals, etc. So how can I access that?? (CCing the original poster, suspecting he may not be subscribed) I quickly googled for django; looks to be a python-based web-app development tool. Your question doesn't quite make sense; it sounds like you installed Debian for the first time in addition to django, and you're not familiar with Debian, or with GNU/Linux in general. It sounds like you want to have a graphical system running; currently, you just have a text-based system running on your Debian box. You may already have the X Windowing System installed (which will give you graphics), in which case you can just enter the command startx . If it's not installed, you'll have to install it; probably the quickest easiest way is to run tasksel and choose the option to install a graphical desktop environment, which should pretty much give you everything you'll be wanting. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d3b981d.8060...@acu.edu
Re: ubuntu debian question
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:04 AM, George Phile persg...@swbell.net wrote: Sir/Madam, Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. I have spent the last hour or so trying to find Greeting Card Software for Ubuntu - Debianall to no avail. You can use * scribus * inkscape * glabels * openoffice.impress for greeting card creation All of the above mentioned packages are available in Debian/Ubuntu repos. Following 2 tutorials might help you to use openoffice.impress http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=153fromSeriesID=153 http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=1530010fromSeriesID=153 You might also find following link useful for printing purpose http://www.bolis.com/amillar/linux/printing-greeting-cards-linux Also check this for Scribus http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/135 Alternatively you can install Wine. Wine lets you install Windows programs on GNU/Linux systems. So, try installing American Greetings Create-A-Card using Wine. Please take into consideration that, I have not used any of the above softwares but Wine. Those are the google results. Hope that helps. I think you hit Reply button instead of Reply All, so you sent me a private mail rather than replying to the list. Please do take care next time when replying. :) -- With Regards Abhishek Amberkar Learn to appreciate a beauty within... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
ubuntu debian question
Sir/Madam, Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. I have spent the last hour or so trying to find Greeting Card Software for Ubuntu - Debianall to no avail. Is Ubuntu only for businesses? If so, that may be why I can't find anything. If not, maybe I just don't know what to search for. Sincerely, George Phile Email: persg...@swbell.net Email2: jo...@gphile.us
Re: ubuntu debian question
Hello, George Phile wrote: Sir/Madam, Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. I have spent the last hour or so trying to find Greeting Card Software for Ubuntu - Debianall to no avail. I am not sure I understand what you mean by this. If you can explain a bit what constitutes making a greeting card for your wife (does she do this online via a browser, or in a graphics application, etc.), you can get better feedback. Having said that, I have on various occasions made cards to be sent out to relatives using various graphics applications in Debian and Ubuntu, namely Gimp, Inkscape and Openoffice.org. Is Ubuntu only for businesses? If so, that may be why I can't find anything. Nope, it is not only for businesses. It is for the masses :) If not, maybe I just don't know what to search for. Just explain a bit what exactly you want to accomplish in steps. That is the best starting point, IMHO. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ubuntu debian question
On Wednesday 29 April 2009, George Phile wrote: Sir/Madam, Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. I have spent the last hour or so trying to find Greeting Card Software for Ubuntu - Debianall to no avail. Is Ubuntu only for businesses? If so, that may be why I can't find anything. If not, maybe I just don't know what to search for. Search on desktop publishing apps, Scribus is one, Klyx is a KDE app. -- Peace Greg Madden -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ubuntu debian question
George, I just set up a couple of systems running ubuntu. I really don't see much difference between ubuntu linux and other linux distributions. Just a quick suggestion, what I have done with my wife is to set up a computer running windows because she is only familiar with windows, and I have a couple of computers running linux. There is no way that I would be able to get her up to speed with linux. You might consider doing the same thing if you wife is already familiar with a particular OS/Web Browser/Greeting Card Software. Rob. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:34 PM, George Phile persg...@swbell.net wrote: Sir/Madam, Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. I have spent the last hour or so trying to find Greeting Card Software for Ubuntu - Debianall to no avail. Is Ubuntu only for businesses? If so, that may be why I can't find anything. If not, maybe I just don't know what to search for. Sincerely, George Phile Email: persg...@swbell.net Email2: jo...@gphile.us
Re: ubuntu debian question
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:04 AM, George Phile persg...@swbell.net wrote: Sir/Madam, Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. Please let us know what's the name of the Greeting Card Software your wife uses on M$ Windows. -- With Regards Abhishek Amberkar Learn to appreciate a beauty within... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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www.freshmeat.net would be a starting point. Is there any web site I can go to to search for Greeting Card Software which run on Ubuntu - Debian? A handfull of people have advised me to go to this platform and operating system but it is for my wife and the only thing she does is search the web, manage her email and make greeting cards. regards Thing
I have a Debian question, I think.
Well, I just got handed to me, a couple of HP p1130 monitors. Both with less than 300 hours on them. Just out of the box about two-three months ago. They are pretty big and heavy (67# and about 20x20x20). So, these things are VERY configurable. Display up to 2048x1536 at 75Hz. I am using 1600x1200 at 100Hz (damned DDC, wouldn't report anything but 75Hz for 1600x1200 and wouldn't do anything higher than 1920x1440 at 60Hz). That is the ground work of explanation. Now my question, setting convergence and doing screen color matching. From the menu there is a lot, contrast, brightness, all geometry, plus normal and expert color, moire, convergence (4 methods actually) and landing tuning. What methods or websites or references do you use to get it right. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I have a Debian question, I think.
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 11:03:30PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Well, I just got handed to me, Strong hands. a couple of HP p1130 monitors. Both with less than 300 hours on them. Just out of the box about two-three months ago. They are pretty big and heavy (67# and about 20x20x20). So, these things are VERY configurable. Display up to 2048x1536 at 75Hz. Nice. Do you have a video card that will do that? I am using 1600x1200 at 100Hz (damned DDC, wouldn't report anything but 75Hz for 1600x1200 and wouldn't do anything higher than 1920x1440 at 60Hz). That is the ground work of explanation. Now my question, setting convergence and doing screen color matching. From the menu there is a lot, contrast, brightness, all geometry, plus normal and expert color, moire, convergence (4 methods actually) and landing tuning. What methods or websites or references do you use to get it right. I have a 21 intergraph (Hitachi); similar. Set up the room lighting the way you will want to work. Start X and have a light background. Just open an xterm so you have something that is supposed to have straight lines, enlarged to almost full-screen (leave a 1 cm of the desktop showing. White background. If you can find a test-image on the net, display that instead of the xterm. Personally, I use _The_Sound_of_Music_ 40th aniversary DVD in VLC with deinterlace blend (hardware conversion). Adjust the screen size, positioning, and shape (e.g. pincusion), moving the xterm around and comparing its borders with a real straight edge. You'll probably end up with a 5 mm black border around the edge depending on the CRT. Likely, you can adjust your color temperature, which should probably match your lighting source (e.g. standard incandesent is lowest in the menu, full north blue sky through a window would be highest). Contrast and brightnes are somewhat subjective, but basically a full-contrast image (best with a test-pattern, otherwise a very good DVD movie) should have the blackest parts just as black as the border at the edge. The very whitest and brightest parts (e.g. the sun reflected off something) should be full bright with a full range inbetween. If the contrast is too high, medium dark will be as dark as full black and medium light will be as bright as full bright. If the contrast is too low, there'll be a haze over the image. Depending on your xorg driver, you may be able to tweak it. Check the docs for that driver. For any controls that you have that I haven't mentioned, try a google search. Enjoy the monitors. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I have a Debian question, I think.
Greg Folkert wrote: Well, I just got handed to me, a couple of HP p1130 monitors. Both with less than 300 hours on them. Just out of the box about two-three months ago. They are pretty big and heavy (67# and about 20x20x20). So, these things are VERY configurable. Display up to 2048x1536 at 75Hz. I am using 1600x1200 at 100Hz (damned DDC, wouldn't report anything but 75Hz for 1600x1200 and wouldn't do anything higher than 1920x1440 at 60Hz). That is the ground work of explanation. Now my question, setting convergence and doing screen color matching. From the menu there is a lot, contrast, brightness, all geometry, plus normal and expert color, moire, convergence (4 methods actually) and landing tuning. What methods or websites or references do you use to get it right. http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not a debian question, I apologize
Any of you has a clickandbuy account, like the one needed to buy a xrost prepaid card to use on allofmp3.com? Anyone who might be interested in helping me out in buying a pin number (as in you buy it and I pay you for it) please contact me by e-mail. I used the list because it is less likely someone would scam me. (Or I want to believe that) -- Luis All science is either physics or stamp collecting. - Ernest Rutherford
network configuring in debian question]
Thank you Sven for your consideration. All the machines, we have, are running with Debian GNU/Linux 2.6.x. The laptop we are going to move,in remote location, has /etc/network/interface file that looks like the following: auto lo eth0 ppp0 iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.xx iface ppp0 inet ppp provider yyy 'network/interfaces' file for our gateway looks like the following: auto lo eth0 eth1 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.xx iface eth1 inet static address 209.87.243.xxx netmask 255.255.255.224 gateway 209.87.243.xxx broadcast 209.87.243.xxx iface ppp0 inet ppp provider xxx-dialup We connect to the gateway by ssh gateway then to the remote laptop in order to have access to other remote machines. Please let me know if this information is enough to get help. I really appreciate your time and help. Regards, Jila Jila Zakizadeh wrote on 16/05/2006 16:14: We have two routers in different places that have own LANs. We are connected to the machines through the gateways of these routers. Now, I want to move one of these gateway to another place with different provider. I would like to know what are the requirements and How would I reconfigure network setting in order to have connection between machines as before. Actually I went through Debian reference, and I am in doubt to be able to configure properly and if I wont mix up whole system. Your timely response is highly appreciated. You are actually asking on the wrong mailinglist. Please direct your questions at debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-project is about the further development of the Debian project itself rather than technical issues with the use of Debian on your machines. However, to address your problem, I don't really understand your problem. Are you using Debian on the routers you talked about or on the machines connected to the given LAN? If the later is the case, you only have to check which providers are supported by the router you intend to move. If your question is about routers running Debian, there would be some details needed to actually answer your question: How do the two routers involved connect to each other? Do they have a common network on the outside of their respective LANs? If not: Do they connect using some VPN technique like OpenVPN or IPSec? Do they have a static IP each, or does at least one have a dynamic IP? Regards, Sven Thank you Sven for your consideration. All the machines, we have, are running with Debian GNU/Linux 2.6.x. The laptop we are going to move,in remote location, has /etc/network/interface file that looks like the following: auto lo eth0 ppp0 iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.xx iface ppp0 inet ppp provider yyy 'network/interfaces' file for our gateway looks like the following: auto lo eth0 eth1 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.xx iface eth1 inet static address 209.87.243.xxx netmask 255.255.255.224 gateway 209.87.243.xxx broadcast 209.87.243.xxx iface ppp0 inet ppp provider xxx-dialup We connect to the gateway by ssh gateway then to the remote laptop in order to have access to other remote machines. Please let me know if this information is enough to get help. I really appreciate your time and help. Regards, Jila -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network configuring in debian question
Jila Zakizadeh wrote on 16/05/2006 16:14: We have two routers in different places that have own LANs. We are connected to the machines through the gateways of these routers. Now, I want to move one of these gateway to another place with different provider. I would like to know what are the requirements and How would I reconfigure network setting in order to have connection between machines as before. Actually I went through Debian reference, and I am in doubt to be able to configure properly and if I wont mix up whole system. Your timely response is highly appreciated. You are actually asking on the wrong mailinglist. Please direct your questions at debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-project is about the further development of the Debian project itself rather than technical issues with the use of Debian on your machines. However, to address your problem, I don't really understand your problem. Are you using Debian on the routers you talked about or on the machines connected to the given LAN? If the later is the case, you only have to check which providers are supported by the router you intend to move. If your question is about routers running Debian, there would be some details needed to actually answer your question: How do the two routers involved connect to each other? Do they have a common network on the outside of their respective LANs? If not: Do they connect using some VPN technique like OpenVPN or IPSec? Do they have a static IP each, or does at least one have a dynamic IP? Regards, Sven Thank you Sven for your consideration. All the machines, we have, are running with Debian GNU/Linux 2.6.x. The laptop we are going to move,in remote location, has /etc/network/interface file that looks like the following: auto lo eth0 ppp0 iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.xx iface ppp0 inet ppp provider yyy 'network/interfaces' file for our gateway looks like the following: auto lo eth0 eth1 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.xx netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.xx iface eth1 inet static address 209.87.243.xxx netmask 255.255.255.224 gateway 209.87.243.xxx broadcast 209.87.243.xxx iface ppp0 inet ppp provider xxx-dialup We connect to the gateway by ssh gateway then to the remote laptop in order to have access to other remote machines. Please let me know if this information is enough to get help. I really appreciate your time and help. Regards, Jila -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network configuring in debian question
Jila Zakizadeh wrote on 16/05/2006 16:14: We have two routers in different places that have own LANs. We are connected to the machines through the gateways of these routers. Now, I want to move one of these gateway to another place with different provider. I would like to know what are the requirements and How would I reconfigure network setting in order to have connection between machines as before. Actually I went through Debian reference, and I am in doubt to be able to configure properly and if I wont mix up whole system. Your timely response is highly appreciated. You are actually asking on the wrong mailinglist. Please direct your questions at debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-project is about the further development of the Debian project itself rather than technical issues with the use of Debian on your machines. However, to address your problem, I don't really understand your problem. Are you using Debian on the routers you talked about or on the machines connected to the given LAN? If the later is the case, you only have to check which providers are supported by the router you intend to move. If your question is about routers running Debian, there would be some details needed to actually answer your question: How do the two routers involved connect to each other? Do they have a common network on the outside of their respective LANs? If not: Do they connect using some VPN technique like OpenVPN or IPSec? Do they have a static IP each, or does at least one have a dynamic IP? Regards, Sven signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Mike a écrit : Heu je ne pensais pas du tout avoir un /etc vide. /etc est laissé telle qu'elle sauf pour le service en question. Par exemple pour samba, je copie /etc/samba sur la partition DRBD et je fais un lien. Vu que c'est heartbeat qui controle le lancement du service, par de pb au boot. J'ai déjà monter un projet avec un PDC-BDC mais il fallait une meilleure HA des données de la société. De plus, la réplication LDAP est une bonne chose mais elle ne se fait que di maitre vers l'esclave. Si l'esclave prend le relais, aucune modif ne peut etre autorisé vu qu'elle ne sera pas automatiquement répercutée sur le maitre lors de son retour sur le réseau. Pour ce qui est de BIND, c'est que là aussi le tout est géré correctement sauf pour les mises à jour de DHCP auto. Dans le cas du projet, tous les services utilisent Heartbeat et DRBD (et bientot MON). Mais je voulais si je pouvais avoir des problèmes en travaillant avec des liens symboliques. Aucun problème avec les liens symboliques. En fait tu as plusieurs choix : - Laisser les fichiers dans /etc, et à chaque fois que tu faits une modif sur le maitre, tu penses à la scp sur l'esclave. - Faire des liens symboliques vers la partition drbd - Modifier tes scripts d'init pour que les logiciels cherchent directement leur config sur la partition drbd (à grand coup de -f par exemple) Y'a des avantages et des inconvénients à chaque fois, prends ce qui te parait le plus naturel. Cordialement, -- Nicolas Schmitz Centre de Ressources Informatiques Ecole Centrale de Nantes -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Heu je ne pensais pas du tout avoir un /etc vide. /etc est laissé telle qu'elle sauf pour le service en question. Par exemple pour samba, je copie /etc/samba sur la partition DRBD et je fais un lien. Vu que c'est heartbeat qui controle le lancement du service, par de pb au boot. J'ai déjà monter un projet avec un PDC-BDC mais il fallait une meilleure HA des données de la société. De plus, la réplication LDAP est une bonne chose mais elle ne se fait que di maitre vers l'esclave. Si l'esclave prend le relais, aucune modif ne peut etre autorisé vu qu'elle ne sera pas automatiquement répercutée sur le maitre lors de son retour sur le réseau. Pour ce qui est de BIND, c'est que là aussi le tout est géré correctement sauf pour les mises à jour de DHCP auto. Dans le cas du projet, tous les services utilisent Heartbeat et DRBD (et bientot MON). Mais je voulais si je pouvais avoir des problèmes en travaillant avec des liens symboliques. pourquoi ne pas faire des mount avec l'option bind? ci joint la sortie de mount sur une de mes machines sous drbd+ha mount /dev/md0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) /dev/drbd0 on /data type ext3 (rw) /data/var/lib/postgresql on /var/lib/postgresql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/lib/mysql on /var/lib/mysql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/www/virtual on /var/www/virtual type none (rw,bind) /data/var/spool/mail/virtual on /var/spool/mail/virtual type none (rw,bind) La conf peut alors être stockée sur ta partition drbd de la même maniere. Bin soit je suis pas réveillé, soit cette config ne règle pas le problème des fichiers de configs. Il faut encore faire des liens de /etc/xxx/ vers les partitions drbd, pour qu'elles sachent que leurs fichiers de config sont sur les partoches drbd. -- Nicolas Schmitz Centre de Ressources Informatiques Ecole Centrale de Nantes -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Nicolas Schmitz wrote: Mike a écrit : Heu je ne pensais pas du tout avoir un /etc vide. /etc est laissé telle qu'elle sauf pour le service en question. Par exemple pour samba, je copie /etc/samba sur la partition DRBD et je fais un lien. Vu que c'est heartbeat qui controle le lancement du service, par de pb au boot. J'ai déjà monter un projet avec un PDC-BDC mais il fallait une meilleure HA des données de la société. De plus, la réplication LDAP est une bonne chose mais elle ne se fait que di maitre vers l'esclave. Si l'esclave prend le relais, aucune modif ne peut etre autorisé vu qu'elle ne sera pas automatiquement répercutée sur le maitre lors de son retour sur le réseau. Pour ce qui est de BIND, c'est que là aussi le tout est géré correctement sauf pour les mises à jour de DHCP auto. Dans le cas du projet, tous les services utilisent Heartbeat et DRBD (et bientot MON). Mais je voulais si je pouvais avoir des problèmes en travaillant avec des liens symboliques. pourquoi ne pas faire des mount avec l'option bind? ci joint la sortie de mount sur une de mes machines sous drbd+ha mount /dev/md0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) /dev/drbd0 on /data type ext3 (rw) /data/var/lib/postgresql on /var/lib/postgresql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/lib/mysql on /var/lib/mysql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/www/virtual on /var/www/virtual type none (rw,bind) /data/var/spool/mail/virtual on /var/spool/mail/virtual type none (rw,bind) La conf peut alors être stockée sur ta partition drbd de la même maniere. -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Nicolas Schmitz wrote: Heu je ne pensais pas du tout avoir un /etc vide. /etc est laissé telle qu'elle sauf pour le service en question. Par exemple pour samba, je copie /etc/samba sur la partition DRBD et je fais un lien. Vu que c'est heartbeat qui controle le lancement du service, par de pb au boot. J'ai déjà monter un projet avec un PDC-BDC mais il fallait une meilleure HA des données de la société. De plus, la réplication LDAP est une bonne chose mais elle ne se fait que di maitre vers l'esclave. Si l'esclave prend le relais, aucune modif ne peut etre autorisé vu qu'elle ne sera pas automatiquement répercutée sur le maitre lors de son retour sur le réseau. Pour ce qui est de BIND, c'est que là aussi le tout est géré correctement sauf pour les mises à jour de DHCP auto. Dans le cas du projet, tous les services utilisent Heartbeat et DRBD (et bientot MON). Mais je voulais si je pouvais avoir des problèmes en travaillant avec des liens symboliques. pourquoi ne pas faire des mount avec l'option bind? ci joint la sortie de mount sur une de mes machines sous drbd+ha mount /dev/md0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) /dev/drbd0 on /data type ext3 (rw) /data/var/lib/postgresql on /var/lib/postgresql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/lib/mysql on /var/lib/mysql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/www/virtual on /var/www/virtual type none (rw,bind) /data/var/spool/mail/virtual on /var/spool/mail/virtual type none (rw,bind) La conf peut alors être stockée sur ta partition drbd de la même maniere. Bin soit je suis pas réveillé, soit cette config ne règle pas le problème des fichiers de configs. Il faut encore faire des liens de /etc/xxx/ vers les partitions drbd, pour qu'elles sachent que leurs fichiers de config sont sur les partoches drbd. c'était un exemple tu peux monter /data/etc/xxx/ sur /etc/xxx ... ? -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
pourquoi ne pas faire des mount avec l'option bind? ci joint la sortie de mount sur une de mes machines sous drbd+ha mount /dev/md0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) /dev/drbd0 on /data type ext3 (rw) /data/var/lib/postgresql on /var/lib/postgresql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/lib/mysql on /var/lib/mysql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/www/virtual on /var/www/virtual type none (rw,bind) /data/var/spool/mail/virtual on /var/spool/mail/virtual type none (rw,bind) La conf peut alors être stockée sur ta partition drbd de la même maniere. Bin soit je suis pas réveillé, soit cette config ne règle pas le problème des fichiers de configs. Il faut encore faire des liens de /etc/xxx/ vers les partitions drbd, pour qu'elles sachent que leurs fichiers de config sont sur les partoches drbd. c'était un exemple tu peux monter /data/etc/xxx/ sur /etc/xxx ... ? c'est vrai :-) et voilà donc une quatrième solution, assez élégante il est vrai :-) -- Nicolas Schmitz Centre de Ressources Informatiques Ecole Centrale de Nantes -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
En tout cas, merci pour vos réponses! Mon tuto sera bientot pret ; je tacherai de le faire profiter le plus rapidement possible ... meme si je ne suis pas convaincu que tout le monde soit vraiment interessé par un tel projet.. ;-) Bonne journée à tous, Mike - Original Message - From: Nicolas Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Sent: lundi, 27. mars 2006 10:57:56 Subject: Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD pourquoi ne pas faire des mount avec l'option bind? ci joint la sortie de mount sur une de mes machines sous drbd+ha mount /dev/md0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) /dev/drbd0 on /data type ext3 (rw) /data/var/lib/postgresql on /var/lib/postgresql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/lib/mysql on /var/lib/mysql type none (rw,bind) /data/var/www/virtual on /var/www/virtual type none (rw,bind) /data/var/spool/mail/virtual on /var/spool/mail/virtual type none (rw,bind) La conf peut alors être stockée sur ta partition drbd de la même maniere. Bin soit je suis pas réveillé, soit cette config ne règle pas le problème des fichiers de configs. Il faut encore faire des liens de /etc/xxx/ vers les partitions drbd, pour qu'elles sachent que leurs fichiers de config sont sur les partoches drbd. c'était un exemple tu peux monter /data/etc/xxx/ sur /etc/xxx ... ? c'est vrai :-) et voilà donc une quatrième solution, assez élégante il est vrai :-) -- Nicolas Schmitz Centre de Ressources Informatiques Ecole Centrale de Nantes -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Le Lundi 27 Mars 2006 10:57, Nicolas Schmitz a écrit : [...] c'est vrai :-) et voilà donc une quatrième solution, assez élégante il est vrai :-) Moi, pour ce genre de config, je préfère avoir du /etc/truc différents (par sur la partie commune). Je les synchronise en crontab avec du rsync et un fichier de config listant ce qui doit être synchronisé. Ce qu'on a fait aussi au boulot, est notamment avec du HP-UX et ServiceGuard, c'est de tout isoler dans un répertoire : - dans un /packtruc on a tout ce qui démarre sur packtruc (packtruc ayant une adresse IP et pouvant être vu comme un serveur). - les applis démarrant dans packtruc ont leur config dans /packtruc/appli1/etc, leurs logs dans /packtruc/appli1/logs, seuls les binaires sont partagés entre les pack* dans /usr/bin ou autre. Cette dernière solution est plus propre je trouve. On se raproche de chroot ou vservers, dans lesquels ont pourrait carrément installer les logiciels que l'on veut indépendament des autres (chroot ou vservers). Si on continu comme ça, après il y a les machines virtuelles avec Xen ou VMware gérées par heartbeat et contenant carrément un OS... pgpsAtBh3wLsE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Mike wrote: Bonjour à tous, Je voulais avoir un petit conseil concernant la mise en place d'un cluster Heartbeat et DRBD: Deux machines vont faire gérer les services suivants: - DNS avec maj par DHCP. - SAMBA+CUPS - LDAP Pour ce qui est de la configuration de chaque service, je pensais copier le répertoire /etc du service en question sur la partiton miroir DRBD et de faire un lien via ln. Et la machine boot comment avec un /etc/vide ? Exemple pour BIND: node1 - # mv /etc/bind /share/drbdX/etcbind node1 - # ln -s /share/drbdX/etcbind /etc/bind Le gros avantage pour moi: je n'ai à configurer qu'une seule machine le maitre et ensuite, une fois que le second à pris le controle du noeud, je n'ai qu'à faire des liens sur celui-ci: node2 - # mv /etc/bind /share/drbdX/bkpNode2 node2 - # ln -s /share/drbdX/etcbind /etc/bind LDAP gère nativement la réplication BIND gère nativement la réplication DHCP sait parler avec bind Pour samba et cups tu peux utiliser DRBD pour les données. Si c'est juste pour une authentification sur un domaine il est préférable d'utiliser une conf PDC/BDC. -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Heu je ne pensais pas du tout avoir un /etc vide. /etc est laissé telle qu'elle sauf pour le service en question. Par exemple pour samba, je copie /etc/samba sur la partition DRBD et je fais un lien. Vu que c'est heartbeat qui controle le lancement du service, par de pb au boot. J'ai déjà monter un projet avec un PDC-BDC mais il fallait une meilleure HA des données de la société. De plus, la réplication LDAP est une bonne chose mais elle ne se fait que di maitre vers l'esclave. Si l'esclave prend le relais, aucune modif ne peut etre autorisé vu qu'elle ne sera pas automatiquement répercutée sur le maitre lors de son retour sur le réseau. Pour ce qui est de BIND, c'est que là aussi le tout est géré correctement sauf pour les mises à jour de DHCP auto. Dans le cas du projet, tous les services utilisent Heartbeat et DRBD (et bientot MON). Mais je voulais si je pouvais avoir des problèmes en travaillant avec des liens symboliques. - Original Message - From: Laurent CARON [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user-french debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Sent: dimanche, 26. mars 2006 20:28:22 Subject: Re: [debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD Mike wrote: Bonjour à tous, Je voulais avoir un petit conseil concernant la mise en place d'un cluster Heartbeat et DRBD: Deux machines vont faire gérer les services suivants: - DNS avec maj par DHCP. - SAMBA+CUPS - LDAP Pour ce qui est de la configuration de chaque service, je pensais copier le répertoire /etc du service en question sur la partiton miroir DRBD et de faire un lien via ln. Et la machine boot comment avec un /etc/vide ? Exemple pour BIND: node1 - # mv /etc/bind /share/drbdX/etcbind node1 - # ln -s /share/drbdX/etcbind /etc/bind Le gros avantage pour moi: je n'ai à configurer qu'une seule machine le maitre et ensuite, une fois que le second à pris le controle du noeud, je n'ai qu'à faire des liens sur celui-ci: node2 - # mv /etc/bind /share/drbdX/bkpNode2 node2 - # ln -s /share/drbdX/etcbind /etc/bind LDAP gère nativement la réplication BIND gère nativement la réplication DHCP sait parler avec bind Pour samba et cups tu peux utiliser DRBD pour les données. Si c'est juste pour une authentification sur un domaine il est préférable d'utiliser une conf PDC/BDC. -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[debian] Question sur une configuration de Cluster HeartbeatDRBD
Bonjour à tous, Je voulais avoir un petit conseil concernant la mise en place d'un cluster Heartbeat et DRBD: Deux machines vont faire gérer les services suivants: - DNS avec maj par DHCP. - SAMBA+CUPS - LDAP Pour ce qui est de la configuration de chaque service, je pensais copier le répertoire /etc du service en question sur la partiton miroir DRBD et de faire un lien via ln. Exemple pour BIND: node1 - # mv /etc/bind /share/drbdX/etcbind node1 - # ln -s /share/drbdX/etcbind /etc/bind Le gros avantage pour moi: je n'ai à configurer qu'une seule machine le maitre et ensuite, une fois que le second à pris le controle du noeud, je n'ai qu'à faire des liens sur celui-ci: node2 - # mv /etc/bind /share/drbdX/bkpNode2 node2 - # ln -s /share/drbdX/etcbind /etc/bind Pensez-vous que ca pourrais poser des problèmes? D'avance merci pour vos réponses, Mike
Re: wrong RE: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I still providing entertainment of your sillyness .. #1: Edit your httpd.conf file. Find the line that reads listen :80 and replace it with the IP of website #1 followed by the port. Ie: listen 206.110.16.25:80 that is stupidity at work .. and not required #2: Copy your httpd.conf file and give it a new name like httpd#2.conf #3: Edit httpd#2.conf and edit the Listen command with the IP and Port of your second website. more silly stupidity on your part to have fake.com and real.com #4: Also Edit the DocumentRoot statement with a path to the root directory of your second website. (Obviously create this new directory) hey he got one right #7 In the command window, browse to the folder containing apache.exe #8 run apache -f C:\Progra~1\Apache~2\Apache2\conf\httpd#2.conf more silly stupidity at work ... - this is not debian related list Isn't it? - this is not apache related list Bingo! You have 2 instances of Apache server running on your box, each with it's own config file and it's own root directory. you have that by default if you know how to configure apache Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. you can run your own misconfigured files ... Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. you're proving your own incompetence i doubt anybody would do what you suggest to get virtual domains working and there may be more than one solution.. but yours is not it ... and will not pass the mustard test for our customers As somebody said ¿Why the rudeness? - thats all folks for late night entertainment c ya alvin -- Gabriel Parrondo Linux User #404138 In theory there's no difference between the theory and the practice. In the practice There is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Given the fact that Katipo and Alvin were the only ones to reply to this thread and nether proved to know anything about how to resolve my issue, I thought that I should post the resolution here so that others looking for the answer later would not have to bother the resident smart-asses on this board. Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. That being said, the Apache manual is a bit misleading in that it says that in order to accomplish what I needed, httpd would have to be installed multiple times. However, when running the installation program on the machine that already had it installed, you are confronted with a repair or uninstall options - installation of another instance is not an option. I felt rather thick-headed after 4+ hours of research into the problem. It seems that Virtual Hosts work for most people, so this issue is not discussed very much on the support forums. Unfortunately for me, the scripts that we run refer to paths in a way that does not allow them to work properly under Virtual Hosts. Cutting to the chaise, I should have thought of the solution sooner, but the idea eventually came to me. Instead of installing httpd multiple times, I wonder if the same installation can be executed multiple times with different variables. After reading the manual and messing around with the configuration script, I finally got it to work. #1: Edit your httpd.conf file. Find the line that reads listen :80 and replace it with the IP of website #1 followed by the port. Ie: listen 206.110.16.25:80 #2: Copy your httpd.conf file and give it a new name like httpd#2.conf #3: Edit httpd#2.conf and edit the Listen command with the IP and Port of your second website. #4: Also Edit the DocumentRoot statement with a path to the root directory of your second website. (Obviously create this new directory) #5 Save the file. #6 Click START, RUN, type in CMD and click OK. #7 In the command window, browse to the folder containing apache.exe #8 run apache -f C:\Progra~1\Apache~2\Apache2\conf\httpd#2.conf Bingo! You have 2 instances of Apache server running on your box, each with it's own config file and it's own root directory. Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. Being a Systems Admin for a multitude of customers ranging from Dental Clinics to 5000+ server Datacenters, I have not come into much contact with Apache. I thought you assholes, could serve to provide some help with this obvious error in the Apache documentation, but instead I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -Original Message- From: Katipo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:59 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff... Alvin Oga wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. ... I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 ... Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. ... no wonder :-) The only way out of that one is a lead aspro. Beyond hand slap material. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Tyson Varosyan wrote: Given the fact that Katipo and Alvin were the only ones to reply to this thread and nether proved to know anything about how to resolve my issue, I thought that I should post the resolution here so that others looking for the answer later would not have to bother the resident smart-asses on this board. Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. That being said, the Apache manual is a bit misleading in that it says that in order to accomplish what I needed, httpd would have to be installed multiple times. However, when running the installation program on the machine that already had it installed, you are confronted with a repair or uninstall options - installation of another instance is not an option. I felt rather thick-headed after 4+ hours of research into the problem. It seems that Virtual Hosts work for most people, so this issue is not discussed very much on the support forums. Unfortunately for me, the scripts that we run refer to paths in a way that does not allow them to work properly under Virtual Hosts. Cutting to the chaise, I should have thought of the solution sooner, but the idea eventually came to me. Instead of installing httpd multiple times, I wonder if the same installation can be executed multiple times with different variables. After reading the manual and messing around with the configuration script, I finally got it to work. #1: Edit your httpd.conf file. Find the line that reads listen :80 and replace it with the IP of website #1 followed by the port. Ie: listen 206.110.16.25:80 #2: Copy your httpd.conf file and give it a new name like httpd#2.conf #3: Edit httpd#2.conf and edit the Listen command with the IP and Port of your second website. #4: Also Edit the DocumentRoot statement with a path to the root directory of your second website. (Obviously create this new directory) #5 Save the file. #6 Click START, RUN, type in CMD and click OK. #7 In the command window, browse to the folder containing apache.exe #8 run apache -f C:\Progra~1\Apache~2\Apache2\conf\httpd#2.conf Bingo! You have 2 instances of Apache server running on your box, each with it's own config file and it's own root directory. Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. Being a Systems Admin for a multitude of customers ranging from Dental Clinics to 5000+ server Datacenters, I have not come into much contact with Apache. I thought you assholes, could serve to provide some help with this obvious error in the Apache documentation, but instead I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -Original Message- From: Katipo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:59 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff... Alvin Oga wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. ... I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 ... Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. ... no wonder :-) The only way out of that one is a lead aspro. Beyond hand slap material. On this newsgroup, people usually don't talk of assholes, or other things like you use in your posting. A good way to get help again, who knows..., would be to apologize to the people you insulted. Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I still providing entertainment of your sillyness .. #1: Edit your httpd.conf file. Find the line that reads listen :80 and replace it with the IP of website #1 followed by the port. Ie: listen 206.110.16.25:80 that is stupidity at work .. and not required #2: Copy your httpd.conf file and give it a new name like httpd#2.conf #3: Edit httpd#2.conf and edit the Listen command with the IP and Port of your second website. more silly stupidity on your part to have fake.com and real.com #4: Also Edit the DocumentRoot statement with a path to the root directory of your second website. (Obviously create this new directory) hey he got one right #7 In the command window, browse to the folder containing apache.exe #8 run apache -f C:\Progra~1\Apache~2\Apache2\conf\httpd#2.conf more silly stupidity at work ... - this is not debian related list - this is not apache related list Bingo! You have 2 instances of Apache server running on your box, each with it's own config file and it's own root directory. you have that by default if you know how to configure apache Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. you can run your own misconfigured files ... Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. you're proving your own incompetence i doubt anybody would do what you suggest to get virtual domains working and there may be more than one solution.. but yours is not it ... and will not pass the mustard test for our customers - thats all folks for late night entertainment c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Two wrongs may not make a right, but I don't particularly care, hence the tone of this reply. :P On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 12:15:02AM -0800, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Given the fact that Katipo and Alvin were the only ones to reply to this thread and nether proved to know anything about how to resolve my issue, While they may not have proved that they knew, why would you assume such? Acting like an asshat as you've done with the attempted insults is uncalled for (I say attempted because coming from the source, your insults don't mean squat). Actually there was a third, but who's counting? I thought that I should post the resolution here so that others looking for the answer later would not have to bother the resident smart-asses on this board. Eh...NO information is better than BAD information. Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. Wellthe *correct* place to ask would have been http://httpd.apache.org/lists.html#http-users. Ironically enough, that was easily found with GOOGLE or just by going to their web site and clicking the obvious mailing lists link. However, when running the installation program on the machine that already had it installed, you are confronted with a repair or uninstall options - installation of another instance is not an option. Yes, that's how MSI files work--something I would hope that a paid professional that is experienced with Windows would know. Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. This is a Debian list, not a Windows list. That's likely why no-one responded. This ML isn't for 1) Windows support 2) Apache support running on Windows. Also, as E.S. Raymond wrote: Choose your forum carefully Be sensitive in choosing where you ask your question. You are likely to be ignored, or written off as a loser, if you: * post your question to a forum where it's off topic * post a very elementary question to a forum where advanced technical questions are expected, or vice-versa Guess what you did? =) At least the assholes (Alvin Kapito: I don't mean that) didn't ignore you like I and everyone else did. They cared enough to give a short response while some of us were writing new Spamassassin rules to catch your future emails. OK, maybe just *I* was writing new rules...hehe. ;) Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. Being a Systems Admin for a multitude of customers ranging from Dental Clinics to 5000+ server Datacenters, I have not come into much contact with Apache. Wow11eleventyone!!1 Should we be impressed? For some reason I'm not. :/ I thought you assholes, There's no need for the name calling. could serve to provide some help with this obvious error in the Apache documentation, If you had a problem with the Apache documentation, wouldn't Apache's website be the *best* place to look for information? Definitely your initial message would have been better suited for *their* mailing lists. They support Windows users, we *don't*. but instead I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. I see. Is that why Apache is still the most used web server according to the Netcraft surveys? Reference http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html. Is that why *YOU* use Apache? I'd say the reason most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help (i.e., Windows) is because they're sheep or they don't know any better. Your resolution could have been found with 1) common sense 2) Google 3) asking on the proper forum, i.e., the Apache list(s). Side note: Per your website: No matter what the job calls for we will design your website in a timely and professional manner at a reasonable rate. I don't think web sites that do not validate look very professional. You may want to correct that... In the future, try to ask on the proper forum (in this case, Apache's MLs or a Windows-centric forum) and don't be so quick to refer to fellow list-members as assholes. It does't look very professional. ...then again neither does asking the wrong mailing list for information. ;) Please read this before asking more questions on mailing lists/web forums: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Tyson Varosyan wrote: Given the fact that Katipo and Alvin were the only ones to reply to this thread and nether proved to know anything about how to resolve my issue, I thought that I should post the resolution here so that others looking for the answer later would not have to bother the resident smart-asses on this board. Translation: having posted something wildly off-topic to a very high volume mailing list, and (unsurprisingly) having received no useful replies to my wildly off-topic post, I'm now going to post more off-topic material. Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. Translation: I apologized for doing something I'm not supposed to do -- but I didn't really mean it, since that guideline wasn't going to stop me. Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. Translation: since I got justifiably mocked for ignoring the mailing list guidelines, I'll now lash out at the people who mocked me. Being a Systems Admin for a multitude of customers ranging from Dental Clinics to 5000+ server Datacenters, Translation: I am so cool. I have not come into much contact with Apache. I thought you assholes, could serve to provide some help with this obvious error in the Apache documentation, but instead I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. Translation: Since some of you assholes reacted negatively when I treated you with discourtesy and disrespect, and none of you answered my wildly off-topic question in a high-volume mailing list (never mind that even *on-topic* questions routinely fall through the cracks here because of the volume of traffic), it must be a failing on your part. Not only that, it must say something fundamental about free and/or open source software (other than that its users may react negatively to expressions of discourtesy such as the posting of wildly off-topic questions to a high-volume mailing list). Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) You're not making your business look very good. -c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From How to Ask Questions the Smart Way (which you would do well to read in its entirety at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ): http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#forum : Be sensitive in choosing where you ask your question. You are likely to be ignored, or written off as a loser, if you [snip]: post your question to a forum where it's off topic [snip] Hackers blow off questions that are inappropriately targeted in order to try to protect their communications channels from being drowned in irrelevance. You don't want this to happen to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tyson Varosyan wrote: Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. Just to make it clear, your problem is with Apache and Windows, not with Debian. (Although I agree with you that the responses you got were offensive, even if they were technically appropriate.) (And I personally don't have an issue with the rare off-topic post on this list if there's a good chance that this list can provide the answer. Unfortunately, in your case, this list apparently could not provide the answer, and the response you should have gotten is silence or a polite redirection rather than the rudeness you received. (I now expect to get flamed, but that's okay; it happens.)) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. you're proving your own incompetence i doubt anybody would do what you suggest to get virtual domains working and there may be more than one solution.. but yours is not it ... and will not pass the mustard test for our customers - thats all folks for late night entertainment c ya alvin Alvin, you and I have both been on this list long enough that it's obvious to me that you're a smart guy with lots of valuable knowledge and skills. But why be rude? And if you know enough about Apache to know that the way he is doing it is wrong, then surely you know the right way to do it? Why not just provide the answer rather than poking fun and being rude? At the risk of seriously offending the atheists on this list and getting flamed, I'd suggest the world would be a better place if we'd listen to Leviticus 19:14: Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kent West wrote: At the risk of seriously offending the atheists on this list and getting flamed, I'd suggest the world would be a better place if we'd listen to Leviticus 19:14: Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind. This was originally written for the Jews only, but it should apply to any people, regardles of religion :-) Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Kent West wrote: At the risk of seriously offending the atheists on this list and getting flamed, I'd suggest the world would be a better place if we'd listen to Leviticus 19:14: Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind. This was originally written for the Jews only, but it should apply to any people, regardles of religion :-) Hell, as an Atheist on the list lemme give a hearty Amen to the sentiment. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped that says it all. He asked knowing he'd likely get slapped and he did. One should not be surprised by predictable results. And one should certainly not be offended and resort to name-calling when those predictable results are not what one hoped for. Frankly, he asked for it and got it. If he can'thandle it thats his problem. On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:39:26 -0600 Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to make it clear, your problem is with Apache and Windows, not with Debian. (Although I agree with you that the responses you got were offensive, even if they were technically appropriate.) I don't think they were offensive responses, but humorous. Maybe misguided. someone should have said this is a debian list, please point yourself to apache. but is it really worth the effort to bother to tell him what he should obviously already know? When faced with annoying posts from left field, levity is better than completely ignoring him. (And I personally don't have an issue with the rare off-topic post on this list if there's a good chance that this list can provide the answer. Unfortunately, in your case, this list apparently could not provide the answer, and the response you should have gotten is silence or a polite redirection rather than the rudeness you received. (I now expect to get flamed, but that's okay; it happens.)) engage flame-throwers. seriously though, I agree that occaisional off-topic posts are okay. We all benefit from learning. .02 A -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpt90p014HZ8.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Kent, I belong to about 10 other mailing lists. Various car clubs, sport tuners, cultural association, etc. I have never had my head torn off this bad for a marginally off-topic post. It's not like I posted here to ask how to troubleshoot the MAS to ECU link on my Mitsubishi 3000GT... Granted, the question was pretty basic, but given the verbiage in the manual install another copy of httpd, I hope that others can see why it was confusing. Being ignored is one thing. Seeing reply posts saying something to the effect of, Your post does not meet the guidelines, please do not post off-topic would be fine too. But getting smart-ass comments with cheap shots at my title, etc. is ridiculous. What's more shocking is seeing people here defend those actions. I will make a point to post on-topic from now on... Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -Original Message- From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:39 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff... Tyson Varosyan wrote: Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. Just to make it clear, your problem is with Apache and Windows, not with Debian. (Although I agree with you that the responses you got were offensive, even if they were technically appropriate.) (And I personally don't have an issue with the rare off-topic post on this list if there's a good chance that this list can provide the answer. Unfortunately, in your case, this list apparently could not provide the answer, and the response you should have gotten is silence or a polite redirection rather than the rudeness you received. (I now expect to get flamed, but that's okay; it happens.)) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:12:12AM -0800, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Yes, I did google and search forums before posting here. Please, feel free to post any google results that explain how to install multiple instances of httpd on a Windows machine (like the manual states.) A quick Google search yielded: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.servers.ms-windows/browse_thread/thread/e101a3e5b5ae9ed8/e2aabe3a06e72b1e#d2bd5018b0c6dca8 or http://tinyurl.com/bnc94 From the link I posted earlier, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Often, the person telling you to do a search has the manual or the web page with the information you need open, and is looking at it as he or she types. These replies mean that he thinks (a) the information you need is easy to find, and (b) you will learn more if you seek out the information than if you have it spoon-fed to you. You shouldn't be offended by this; by hacker standards, your respondent is showing you a rough kind of respect simply by not ignoring you. You should instead be thankful for this grandmotherly kindness. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:58:12 -0800 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Kent West wrote: At the risk of seriously offending the atheists on this list and getting flamed, I'd suggest the world would be a better place if we'd listen to Leviticus 19:14: Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind. This was originally written for the Jews only, but it should apply to any people, regardles of religion :-) Hell, as an Atheist on the list lemme give a hearty Amen to the sentiment. Ramen A -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpP3RbSKXOtZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Tyson Varosyan wrote: Thierry, did you read their posts to me? Assholes, is a gentle adjective used to describe people that respond in that manner to a request for help. Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -Original Message- From: thierry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:56 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff... Tyson Varosyan wrote: Given the fact that Katipo and Alvin were the only ones to reply to this thread and nether proved to know anything about how to resolve my issue, I thought that I should post the resolution here so that others looking for the answer later would not have to bother the resident smart-asses on this board. Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, but I did so with the assumption that there would be many Apache users here and that the more experienced ones may know how to help me in Windows and Linux. That being said, the Apache manual is a bit misleading in that it says that in order to accomplish what I needed, httpd would have to be installed multiple times. However, when running the installation program on the machine that already had it installed, you are confronted with a repair or uninstall options - installation of another instance is not an option. I felt rather thick-headed after 4+ hours of research into the problem. It seems that Virtual Hosts work for most people, so this issue is not discussed very much on the support forums. Unfortunately for me, the scripts that we run refer to paths in a way that does not allow them to work properly under Virtual Hosts. Cutting to the chaise, I should have thought of the solution sooner, but the idea eventually came to me. Instead of installing httpd multiple times, I wonder if the same installation can be executed multiple times with different variables. After reading the manual and messing around with the configuration script, I finally got it to work. #1: Edit your httpd.conf file. Find the line that reads listen :80 and replace it with the IP of website #1 followed by the port. Ie: listen 206.110.16.25:80 #2: Copy your httpd.conf file and give it a new name like httpd#2.conf #3: Edit httpd#2.conf and edit the Listen command with the IP and Port of your second website. #4: Also Edit the DocumentRoot statement with a path to the root directory of your second website. (Obviously create this new directory) #5 Save the file. #6 Click START, RUN, type in CMD and click OK. #7 In the command window, browse to the folder containing apache.exe #8 run apache -f C:\Progra~1\Apache~2\Apache2\conf\httpd#2.conf Bingo! You have 2 instances of Apache server running on your box, each with it's own config file and it's own root directory. Katipo and Alvin, feel free to read this procedure and pass it off as your own in the future. Sorry that I made you feel so incompetent. Being a Systems Admin for a multitude of customers ranging from Dental Clinics to 5000+ server Datacenters, I have not come into much contact with Apache. I thought you assholes, could serve to provide some help with this obvious error in the Apache documentation, but instead I reinforced my belief in the reasons why most people use software that has documentation and phone numbers to call for help. Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -Original Message- From: Katipo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:59 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff... Alvin Oga wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. ... I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 ... Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. ... no wonder :-) The only way out of that one is a lead aspro. Beyond hand slap material. On this newsgroup, people usually don't talk of assholes, or other things like you use in your posting. A good way to get help again, who knows..., would be to apologize to the people you insulted. Thierry True enough, I had not read the complete thread, and I must agree that the way you were answered to is not what we are used to on this list. Yet, when it happens, we just tell people that they went over the line of good behaviour. I wich to end this thread, as it is not doing anything good now, by telling you that, here we usually have rules, and that by sending me a reply without going thru the list, you broked them again
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According to Tyson Varosyan, Given the fact that Katipo and Alvin were the only ones to reply to this thread and nether proved to know anything about how to resolve my issue, I thought that I should post the resolution here so that others looking for the answer later would not have to bother the resident smart-asses on this board. Again, I apologize for posting a Windows-based problem on this board, ... Just a word to the wise (and especially the wise who have not yet posted). You'd get more people to read your question if you gave a subject line that's more relevant. You'd get more people to read your solution if you gave a subject line starting with SOLVED: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Hi Ed, Thanks for the response. However, I feel that you reverse-engineered the answer here. Instead of searching for how to install multiple instances of httpd (which is what the manual says to do), you already knew that answer was to run multiple instances of the same installation and googled for an article on that. I may be slow at times, but in my multi hour search online, I was still unable to find an article that instructs the user, as the manual says, to install multiple instances of httpd on Windows. Not saying that there is not a way to do it... Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -Original Message- From: Edward Shornock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:14 PM To: Debian User List Subject: Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff... On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 11:12:12AM -0800, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Yes, I did google and search forums before posting here. Please, feel free to post any google results that explain how to install multiple instances of httpd on a Windows machine (like the manual states.) A quick Google search yielded: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.servers.ms-windows/brows e_thread/thread/e101a3e5b5ae9ed8/e2aabe3a06e72b1e#d2bd5018b0c6dca8 or http://tinyurl.com/bnc94 From the link I posted earlier, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Often, the person telling you to do a search has the manual or the web page with the information you need open, and is looking at it as he or she types. These replies mean that he thinks (a) the information you need is easy to find, and (b) you will learn more if you seek out the information than if you have it spoon-fed to you. You shouldn't be offended by this; by hacker standards, your respondent is showing you a rough kind of respect simply by not ignoring you. You should instead be thankful for this grandmotherly kindness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 03:22:08PM -0800, Tyson Varosyan wrote: Hi Ed, Thanks for the response. However, I feel that you reverse-engineered the answer here. Instead of searching for how to install multiple instances of httpd (which is what the manual says to do), you already knew that answer was to run multiple instances of the same installation and googled for an article on that. No reverse engineering occurred. Sometimes less is more with search engines. This is the search I used: http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=UTF-8q=multiple+instances+of+apache+on+Windowsqt_s=Ser%C4%89u or http://tinyurl.com/b5xfs ...but if you try with the search string install multiple instances of apache on Windows (without the quotes), you'd find this post, which at this time of writing is also the first result from the initial search string tried: Brian K White wrote on April 7, 2003: I agree that you can start the same version of apache twice. But you can not INSTALL Apache twice. This is a function of the Windows installer technology (MSI). Apache will run from two separate locations in the file system if one of the installations was manually installed and configured. When you invoke the Windows installation it will only repair or uninstall an existing installation. It does not offer the option for a second parallel installation. Sorry for not being more clear. With that, you'd see that you cannot run the installer multiple times as MSI files don't give you that ability. Efficient use of Google would have saved you from a great deal of frustration (and a bit of getting bashed here). :) Perhaps the apache documentation is misleading; regardless, that'd be an issue better brought up with them. Open source software is made better by the community of users using it. If you feel that the documentation is unclear, tell them. Such projects love getting suggestions or patches sent in to improve the software or documentation. Perhaps it was written with the assumption that people running apache in Windows would understand what installing multiple copies meant. I can't say as I'm not a member of the Apache Software Foundation. Since this thread has toned down a bit with no one being referred to as assholes anymore, I'm bowing out of this discussion. As long as something was learned, this little excercise was worthwhile. I also am bowing out as I don't want to see this follow the trend of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@v3, 401 4rt f1l3z, or those damn [EMAIL PROTECTED] that fight with each other on the Debian lists continuing... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
fun Re: wrong RE: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
hi ya kent On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Kent West wrote: Alvin, you and I have both been on this list long enough that it's obvious to me that you're a smart guy with lots of valuable knowledge and skills. But why be rude? yeah... i guess it's easy to confuse rude with poking fun at um i'm a sucker for flamebait andpoking fun ... :-0 always fun if one doesn't emotional about it and hopefully learn a thing or 2 along the way.. some folks are defensive... i wonder why, while others just move on and have beer and figure it out And if you know enough about Apache to know that the way he is doing it is wrong, then surely you know the right way to do it? yup.. but since the thread got worst... no answers will be forthcoming however, it's all readily available in yahoo/google ... we all spent our time hrs,days,weeks to find the answers if nobody hands it to us on a platinum platter at the 'palace of pick-your-noun ' .. :-0 and after all of that hard r/d .. write a [atheist]damm howto so that nobody else needs to do that r/d searching again Why not just provide the answer rather than poking fun and being rude? to me... it was 100% in fun .. but i guess i can see how it can also be rude when one makes fun of somebody else at their expense there was say over a dozen things wrong with the thread before the 3rd post to the list .. :-) and inaccurate solution will be so stamped .. :-) or at least leave a cloud of uncertainty on the next reader to staumbles on this entertaining thread At the risk of seriously offending the atheists on this list and getting flamed, I'd suggest the world would be a better place if we'd listen to Leviticus 19:14: Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind. i saw what happend to that part of the thread .. more fun .. entertaining.. c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Em Ter, 2006-01-31 às 15:22 -0800, Tyson Varosyan escreveu: Hi Ed, Thanks for the response. However, I feel that you reverse-engineered the answer here. Instead of searching for how to install multiple instances of httpd (which is what the manual says to do), you already knew that answer was to run multiple instances of the same installation and googled for an article on that. I may be slow at times, but in my multi hour search online, I was still unable to find an article that instructs the user, as the manual says, to install multiple instances of httpd on Windows. Not saying that there is not a way to do it... Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime If you need more then 5mn to get this answer, I certainly would not employ you for anything, too much time. Michel.
Re: fun Re: wrong RE: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Alvin Oga wrote: i'm a sucker for flamebait andpoking fun ... :-0 always fun if one doesn't emotional about it and hopefully learn a thing or 2 along the way.. AKA Trolling. to me... it was 100% in fun .. but i guess i can see how it can also be rude when one makes fun of somebody else at their expense AKA Trolling. i saw what happend to that part of the thread .. more fun .. AKA Successful Troll Finally, Alvin admits why he is here. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Alvin Oga wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. ... I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 ... Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. ... no wonder :-) The only way out of that one is a lead aspro. Beyond hand slap material. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. I am trying to set up Multiple Daemons for my websites and through reading the instructions, I find a curious passage, Create a separate httpd installation for each virtual host. However, there is ABSOLUTELY no explanation on how to install a separate httpd installation. At least none that I have been able to find. Please help. I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 Thanks, Tyson Varosyan Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.up-times.com 206-715-TECH (8324) UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. I am trying to set up Multiple Daemons for my websites and through reading the instructions, I find a curious passage, Create a separate httpd installation for each virtual host. However, there is ABSOLUTELY no explanation on how to install a separate httpd installation. At least none that I have been able to find. Please help. I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 I was under the impression that Windows 2000 was not a recommended OS for Apache 2.0? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not a Debian question, but you guys know this stuff...
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Tyson Varosyan wrote: At the risk of having my hand slapped I will ask, since I bet there are quite a few Apache users on this board. ... I am using Windows 2000 and Apache 2.0.44 ... Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC. ... no wonder :-) c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Question - How to start a programm with rcS the task having root privileges
Hi there, I did a small programm with gambas. It is there to control an LCD panel for setting up display parameters of X11 and networking parameters of my debian sarge distribution. everything is fine, but the program needs root privileges to access the LCD panel (via /dev/lcd), the networking file interfaces, the ifup/ifdown/ifconfig commands and so on. Now my question is, what do I have to do to get the programm started at boot up (with rcS???) having root privileges??? Thanks, best regards, Michael. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Question - How to start a programm with rcS the task having root privileges
Michael Wuest wrote: Hi there, I did a small programm with gambas. It is there to control an LCD panel for setting up display parameters of X11 and networking parameters of my debian sarge distribution. everything is fine, but the program needs root privileges to access the LCD panel (via /dev/lcd), the networking file interfaces, the ifup/ifdown/ifconfig commands and so on. Now my question is, what do I have to do to get the programm started at boot up (with rcS???) having root privileges??? Thanks, best regards, Michael. Just put a link to the program in /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d, depending on when it must be executed. The name of the link must be sth like SnnLCDsetup with the value of nn controlling the execution order - lower value for nn means earlier execution. This way your program is automatically exectuded as root. HTH Heinrich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing Debian question.
Hi all folks, Just join this list I am going to install Debian with Disk-1 and Disk-7 on a 6G hard drive for test purpose. They were burnt from following Official CD images of the stable releases from Debian mirror sites; debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso debian-30r1-i386-binary-7.iso I have not downloaded other ISO CD images. Can I install a stardard Debian-Linux workstation only from these 2 CDs 2) Has any folk tried install Debian from Anaconda for Debian? Does it install Debian from Internet? If YES would it take lengthy to complete compiling from source code similar to Gentoo? Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen Liu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian question.
Hello Stephen Liu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I am going to install Debian with Disk-1 and Disk-7 on a 6G hard drive for test purpose. They were burnt from following Official CD images of the stable releases from Debian mirror sites; debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso debian-30r1-i386-binary-7.iso I have not downloaded other ISO CD images. Can I install a stardard Debian-Linux workstation only from these 2 CDs That depends strongly on what you call standard, and on your internet connection. You can install the base system from CD 1, as well as a working X environment, even with KDE. However, you very probably will want to install packages that are on the second CD. Generally, you can say that the most important packages are on CD 1, while the least important ones are on CD 7. But you can also install from CD 1 and get the rest of the packages you need over the net by adding some Debian mirror to your sources.list. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian question.
Hi Andreas, Thanks for your advice. What I need is the basic Debian-Linux system with GNOME environment. If I need additional software not available on those 2CDs, I will use 'apt-get install' to get them from Debian website or their tarball from their respective website. Thanks and B.R. Stephen On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 16:31, Andreas Janssen wrote: Hello Stephen Liu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I am going to install Debian with Disk-1 and Disk-7 on a 6G hard drive for test purpose. They were burnt from following Official CD images of the stable releases from Debian mirror sites; debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso debian-30r1-i386-binary-7.iso I have not downloaded other ISO CD images. Can I install a stardard Debian-Linux workstation only from these 2 CDs That depends strongly on what you call standard, and on your internet connection. You can install the base system from CD 1, as well as a working X environment, even with KDE. However, you very probably will want to install packages that are on the second CD. Generally, you can say that the most important packages are on CD 1, while the least important ones are on CD 7. But you can also install from CD 1 and get the rest of the packages you need over the net by adding some Debian mirror to your sources.list. best regards Andreas Janssen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian question.
Stephen Liu wrote: Hi all folks, Just join this list I am going to install Debian with Disk-1 and Disk-7 on a 6G hard drive for test purpose. They were burnt from following Official CD images of the stable releases from Debian mirror sites; debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso debian-30r1-i386-binary-7.iso I have not downloaded other ISO CD images. Can I install a stardard Debian-Linux workstation only from these 2 CDs 2) Has any folk tried install Debian from Anaconda for Debian? Does it install Debian from Internet? If YES would it take lengthy to complete compiling from source code similar to Gentoo? Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen Liu Just curious: why just 1+7 and not 1+2? The docs say that 1-7 in order of importance, although also that 1+4 is the default if started from 1. E.g: 1 = multiboot 2 = vanilla - kernel 2.2 + older HW and USB 3 = compact - kernel 2.2 + PCI + SCSI + IDE 4 = idepci - kernel 2.2 + for most machines 5 = bf2.4 - kernel 2.4 + ext3 + Reiser No word about 6+7. Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian question.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:30:48PM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote: I have not downloaded other ISO CD images. Can I install a stardard Debian-Linux workstation only from these 2 CDs RTFM. You only need the first one. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual Has any folk tried install Debian from Anaconda for Debian? Does it install Debian from Internet? If YES would it take lengthy to complete compiling from source code similar to Gentoo? Just use the official installer. I'm not sure the installer folks particularly care about Anaconda, I don't follow that group and they were already well on the way to making a better installer before RH opened Anaconda. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1oAMUzgNqloQMwcRAqtOAKDP4oB7HbJbWcQ5XsS7nfGZw/Bt1ACeOgwT vahbXv9i+OVH8F9n2hGpnqc= =DqzD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian question
I am a beginning Debian user, I',m installing it now. A friend of mine wants to help me. He lives in a different city. He asked me to make a SSH server on my linux machine and forward a portof myswitch, so he can configure my machine from his PC (over the internet). now my question is. How do I make a SSH server, and forward that port? please answer in dutch greetings in advance hans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian question
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 08:48:57PM +0200, Hans Ad wrote: How do I make a SSH server, and forward that port? apt-get install sshd but it should be installed by default. switch configuration depends on the type of switch you have. please answer in dutch that is forbid by the mailing list rules. from http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Send all of your e-mails in English. Only use other languages on mailing lists where that is explicitely allowed (e.g. French on debian-user-french). debian user mailing lists are available for the following langs: debian-user [english] debian-user-catalan debian-user-danish debian-user-de debian-user-french debian-user-german debian-user-indonesian debian-user-polish debian-user-portuguese debian-user-spanish debian-user-swedish debian-user-turkish hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian question
Hans == Hans Ad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hans I am a beginning Debian user, I',m installing it now. A Hans friend of mine wants to help me. He lives in a different Hans city. He asked me to make a SSH server on my linux machine Hans and forward a port of my switch, so he can configure my Hans machine from his PC (over the internet). now my question is. Hans How do I make a SSH server, and forward that port? ssh is installed when you install the base Debian system. If in doubt just do 'ssh localhost' to test, you should get a question about a unknown fingerprint, say yes, and you should get a login prompt from your system. If not, install the ssh package (apt-get install ssh). As far as forwarding goes, it depends on your switch/router. You need to forward port 22 to your machines IP from your switch. Hans please answer in dutch If only I could. /Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: david the gnome - with yet another non-Debian question?
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 04:11:11AM -0500, Will Trillich wrote: On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:27:32PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: ... this has nothing to do with Debian! Why aren't all these non-Debian specific questions filling my mailbox sent to where they ought to be sent? Why is debian-user full of Netscape bookmarks [snip] 4) with apt-get, you expect /debian/ users to have trouble? :) E? I don't know what that means. -3) debian-user still is unmoderated, so folks like s.lamb get through :) I didn't mean to single anyone out. His off-topic question was just another in a very long line of others just like it or worse. so maybe we need a new list [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd go for a debian-user_moderated in a heartbeat. My real complaint is that I don't have time to wade through ca. 200 mails a day from this group. I'm trying to learn something from comp.lang.perl.misc too, and fulfill a contract for a client. Hitting d 200 times just to pare down debian-user is a waste. I'd like to continue on the list, but the price is enormous considering my limited amount of free time. Most of these questions should be going to comp.os.linux.*, but everyone's terrified of spammers nowadays so they avoid Usenet. I take great joy in hunting down and reporting spammers (it's educational!), so I have no qualms about posting to Usenet. If your question is Debian specific, or even closely related to Debian or .deb packages or how Debian packages are configured, debian-user is the right place to be. If your problem is (eg.) that your mouse isn't detected correctly by XFree86 or gpm is clashing with X, then you shouldn't be posting to debian-user. That's not a Debian question, it's a generic Linux related question, hence comp.os.linux.* My C$0.02 ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen) TopQuark Software Serv. Enquire within. [sed 's/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/@/g'] Contract programmer, server bum. Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Re: david the gnome - with yet another non-Debian question?
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:27:32PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: ... this has nothing to do with Debian! Why aren't all these non-Debian specific questions filling my mailbox sent to where they ought to be sent? Why is debian-user full of Netscape bookmarks questions, and generic hardware questions, and generic load balancing questions (though that one was at least interesting)? I get close to 200 mails from debian-user *every* *day*, and precious few of them have anything to do with Debian. Why? because 1) debian-user is INFORMATIVE for folks who are looking for answers. 2) debian-user is chock-full of helpful people. 3) debian-user often gets questions answered in a matter of hours. 4) with apt-get, you expect /debian/ users to have trouble? :) despite -1) debian-user is flooded with all kinds of flotsam -2) debian-user occasionally sends a newbie to rtfm -3) debian-user still is unmoderated, so folks like s.lamb get through :) so maybe we need a new list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: david the gnome - with yet another non-Debian question?
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 04:11:11AM -0500, thus spake Will Trillich: On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:27:32PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: ... this has nothing to do with Debian! Why aren't all these non-Debian specific questions filling my mailbox sent to where they ought to be sent? Why is debian-user full of Netscape bookmarks questions, and generic hardware questions, and generic load balancing questions (though that one was at least interesting)? I get close to 200 mails from debian-user *every* *day*, and precious few of them have anything to do with Debian. Why? because 1) debian-user is INFORMATIVE for folks who are looking for answers. 2) debian-user is chock-full of helpful people. 3) debian-user often gets questions answered in a matter of hours. Sometimes it's minutes rather than hours! Wonderful people Many thanks for so much help Glyn M -- ** * The soul is greater than the hum of its parts. * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
Re: david the gnome - with yet another non-Debian question?
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:08:43PM -0500, Debian Ghost wrote: D Ghost here. Have a quickie. ^ That is becoming *very* irritating. How can I tell if I installed gnome or helix gnome? I can not remember which I installed. What does dpkg -l | grep gnome say? If you go to the gnome site and and compare version numbers, would that explain anything? And please do, as this has nothing to do with Debian! Why aren't all these non-Debian specific questions filling my mailbox sent to where they ought to be sent? Why is debian-user full of Netscape bookmarks questions, and generic hardware questions, and generic load balancing questions (though that one was at least interesting)? I get close to 200 mails from debian-user *every* *day*, and precious few of them have anything to do with Debian. Why? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen) TopQuark Software Serv. Enquire within. [sed 's/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/@/g'] Contract programmer, server bum. Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
debian question
Hi all, I installed Debian 2.1r4 on my sparc 1+. The installation is fine but I cant boot off the hdd, instead I boot of the cdrom then issue boot: linux root=/dev/sda1 then I am able to boot ok. Any ideas? I think that 'silo' is not configured correctly because I cant boot off the hdd. thanks, moe __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: debian question
Moe wrote: I installed Debian 2.1r4 on my sparc 1+. The installation is fine but I cant boot off the hdd, instead I boot of the cdrom then issue boot: linux root=/dev/sda1 then I am able to boot ok. Any ideas? I think that 'silo' is not configured correctly because I cant boot off the hdd. silo is probably fine. At the Sparc boot prompt you need to use the setenv command: setenv boot-device disk1:1 At least if you're having the same problem that I was having... You can read the debian-sparc thread on this at http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-sparc-0001/threads.html#00076 Fraser
Re: Sort of a Debian question
* John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need a recepie book template or data base to use on my Debian Linux box. I am embarking on setting up a collection of family recepies, Since some weeks there is the recipe style file for LaTeX on CTAN, which gives you the nicest output you can imagine. CTAN is http://www.tug.org, http://www.dante.de and ... oh, I always forget the name of the one in the UK. Just use the search function there and look for recipe. HTH, Colin -- Colin Marquardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sort of a Debian question
Martin Bialasinski wrote: John == John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John them. Any body have any suggestions? Please hold off on the John Gourmet GEEK jokes. I've heard them all. Hmm, never heared of such jokes. Dare to post two o three? :-) Ciao, Martin -- Hmmm,,, They may be a localized phenomen--say around my house. At any rate, I think not, they are really bad. -- John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173
Sort of a Debian question
OK please hold the laughter, this is serious business.. I need a recepie book template or data base to use on my Debian Linux box. I am embarking on setting up a collection of family recepies, there are hundreds, and want some method of cataloging and organizing them. Any body have any suggestions? Please hold off on the Gourmet GEEK jokes. I've heard them all. -- John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173
Re: Sort of a Debian question
Subject: Sort of a Debian question Date: Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 12:39:04AM -0500 In reply to:John Foster Quoting John Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]): OK please hold the laughter, this is serious business.. I need a recepie book template or data base to use on my Debian Linux box. I am embarking on setting up a collection of family recepies, there are hundreds, and want some method of cataloging and organizing them. Any body have any suggestions? Please hold off on the Gourmet GEEK jokes. I've heard them all. -- Thanks John, now I'm not the only one! My wife wanted one also, so I started working on an Mysql solution one for her. She ended up using an old dos pgm that came with a Win95 CD I got her for Christmas. She likes it so much, I'm off the hook! Want it? Wayne -- Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sort of a Debian question
Wayne Topa wrote: Subject: Sort of a Debian question Date: Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 12:39:04AM -0500 In reply to:John Foster Quoting John Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]): OK please hold the laughter, this is serious business.. I need a recepie book template or data base to use on my Debian Linux box. I am embarking on setting up a collection of family recepies, there are hundreds, and want some method of cataloging and organizing them. Any body have any suggestions? Please hold off on the Gourmet GEEK jokes. I've heard them all. -- Thanks John, now I'm not the only one! My wife wanted one also, so I started working on an Mysql solution one for her. She ended up using an old dos pgm that came with a Win95 CD I got her for Christmas. She likes it so much, I'm off the hook! Want it? Wayne - Yep, send it on. (Not to the list though) I'll stick it on an old 486 box that my wife uses for games. That'll fix the prob. Thanks!! -- John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173
Re: Sort of a Debian question
John Foster wrote: Wayne Topa wrote: Thanks John, now I'm not the only one! My wife wanted one also, so I started working on an Mysql solution one for her. __ Hey Wayne; if you had any luck with MySql for implementing it as a document storage system [i.e. full length text or even better html] I would very certainly be interested in some details on how. I need this type of ability on a shopping cart system that I am setting up. The cart is not XML compliant and may never be so I can not use that technology, besides the DB is much faster. Thanks! - John Foster AdVance-Computing Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 19460173
Re: Sort of a Debian question
John == John Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John them. Any body have any suggestions? Please hold off on the John Gourmet GEEK jokes. I've heard them all. Hmm, never heared of such jokes. Dare to post two o three? :-) Ciao, Martin
Re: New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts
On Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 11:39:38AM -0500, Adam Keys wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 01:33:29AM -0700, Chris Ulrich wrote:
I recently got tired of taking care of my own installation of linux
and decided to install debian. So far, I've been pretty happy with it.
I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I've got some questions
right now.
1: Is it necessary to have all the dead accounts that come in the
distribution password have /bin/sh as the shell? Some, like nobody
and the qmail daemons, aren't suppose to have a real shell, because
people aren't suppose to be able to log in with those IDs. Ever. I
changed my password file, but it seems odd that they would be there
in the first place.
What I do for accounts whose login should not be allowed is make the shell
/dev/null. Their connection will be dropped as soon as login exits.
Alternatively, you could write a shell script that says Go away, etc. and
then exec's /dev/null or just exits.
Actually...While this owrks...it is not the Standard way that
I have seen. It seems nmore common to make the shell
/bin/false
This is an executable (/dev/null is not and gives a permission denied error)
and is an executable which just exits (retuyrning a value nonetheless but
still just exiting)..or form the man page:
---man false---
FALSE(1) FALSE(1)
NAME
false - do nothing, unsuccessfully
SYNOPSIS
false
false {--help,--version}
---done---
this is wrong for debina tho...I just tried it...neither option works
of course...you could make their login shell /usr/bin/yes (or a wrapper that
runs /usr/bin/yes Go AWAY!
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Re: New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts
Am Wed, 29 Jul 1998 schrieb Stephen J. Carpenter:
> I have seen. It seems nmore common to make the shell
> /bin/false
> This is an executable (/dev/null is not and gives a permission denied
> error) and is an executable which just exits (retuyrning a value
> nonetheless but still just exiting)..or form the man page:
> ---man false---
> FALSE(1) FALSE(1)
>
> NAME
> false - do nothing, unsuccessfully
>
> SYNOPSIS
> false
> false {--help,--version}
> ---done---
> this is wrong for debina tho...I just tried it...neither option works
> of course...
Why of course? It works for me:
Zoppo>:~$ /bin/false --help
Usage: /bin/false [OPTION]...
Exit unsuccessfully.
--help display this help and exit
--version output version information and exit
Report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zoppo>:~$ /bin/false --version
false (GNU sh-utils) 1.16
I suppose you typed:
Zoppo>:~$ false --help
Zoppo>:~$ false --version
Zoppo>:~$ type false
false is a shell builtin
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New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts
I recently got tired of taking care of my own installation of linux and decided to install debian. So far, I've been pretty happy with it. I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I've got some questions right now. 1: Is it necessary to have all the dead accounts that come in the distribution password have /bin/sh as the shell? Some, like nobody and the qmail daemons, aren't suppose to have a real shell, because people aren't suppose to be able to log in with those IDs. Ever. I changed my password file, but it seems odd that they would be there in the first place. 2: This is a question arising from my ignorance of linux -- I run linux on a laptop, and I periodically see the message: apm_bios: set display standby: Power management disabled or apm_bios: set display ready: Power management disabled I've looked around apmd and apm but there don't sem to be any options for the display. I assume that it is suppose to be turning off the backlight when it spits that out. I'm sure I think of others -- like where did the fat filesystem files in the debian kernel sources for 2.0.34 go? And is the pdksh in the unstable/stable distributions the most up to date? The one I've got installed complains about break: can only break 2 level(s) where the version I had before never complained. I can't get to my backup, though, because I can't mount the filesystem that has my backup tarfile on it though... All in all, though, looks pretty good. thanks, chris -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts
On Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 01:33:29AM -0700, Chris Ulrich wrote: I recently got tired of taking care of my own installation of linux and decided to install debian. So far, I've been pretty happy with it. I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I've got some questions right now. 1: Is it necessary to have all the dead accounts that come in the distribution password have /bin/sh as the shell? Some, like nobody and the qmail daemons, aren't suppose to have a real shell, because people aren't suppose to be able to log in with those IDs. Ever. I changed my password file, but it seems odd that they would be there in the first place. They all have * in the password field by default, which means that they can't login. Sometimes you do need to switch to them (with su), so then they need a shell; as root, you can su to any account without a password, even if it's locked. From memory postgresql requires you to do all database admin work from its special account, not root, so you'd su to root, then su - postgres again. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts
-- On Jul 28, 10:33am, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Subject: Re: New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts On Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 01:33:29AM -0700, Chris Ulrich wrote: They all have * in the password field by default, which means that they can't login. Sometimes you do need to switch to them (with su), so then they need a shell; as root, you can su to any account without a password, even if it's locked. From memory postgresql requires you to do all database admin work from its special account, not root, so you'd su to root, then su - postgres again. Hamish -- End of excerpt from Hamish Moffatt -- Okay -- that's one account that needs a shell. A user can get authenticated in one of at least three ways that I can think of: 1: login (including xdm and ftp) - verified by password 2: file (ssh/rsh) - verified by checking file in home directory 3: magic (kerberos) - verified by asking someone else in a secure way Of these methods, only #1 actually looks at the second field of the shadow or passwd file. Because every dead account has it's own home directory, there are many more ways to get a shell by putting a .rhosts or .ssh/authorized key file into the account's home directory (either through broken suid programs, misconfigured programs, or NFS). Since the majority of these accounts are not suppose to be used it seems like a needless exposure to have them able to login at all. Because they have a shell, it is possible for an account to log onto the machine. I can think of only a very small class of programs that allow a user to login with a useless shell but a valid password: ftp (iff the useless shell is in /etc/shells) xdm (iff xdm has not been configured to look in /etc/shells) Anyhow, my point is just that no password is not a certain way to disable an account. No shell is also not a secure way to disable an account. To make sure an account exists only to make files owned by that UID look pretty, one needs to disable both. To be completely sure that even poorly configured debian machines remain as secure as possible, placeholder accounts ought to have their shells and passwords unusable unless there is a specific need otherwise. chris -- Chris Ulrich[EMAIL PROTECTED]530 754 4355 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New to debian -- question about shells unused accounts
On Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 01:33:29AM -0700, Chris Ulrich wrote: I recently got tired of taking care of my own installation of linux and decided to install debian. So far, I've been pretty happy with it. I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I've got some questions right now. 1: Is it necessary to have all the dead accounts that come in the distribution password have /bin/sh as the shell? Some, like nobody and the qmail daemons, aren't suppose to have a real shell, because people aren't suppose to be able to log in with those IDs. Ever. I changed my password file, but it seems odd that they would be there in the first place. What I do for accounts whose login should not be allowed is make the shell /dev/null. Their connection will be dropped as soon as login exits. Alternatively, you could write a shell script that says Go away, etc. and then exec's /dev/null or just exits. I'm sure I think of others -- like where did the fat filesystem files in the debian kernel sources for 2.0.34 go? fat, msdos, and vfat all work together. You will most likely want to compile your kernel with vfat as a module and make sure that msdos and fat are also compiled, as vfat depends on them. Adam Keys -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Not really a Debian question, Netscape bookmarks?
I just downloaded Netscape 4.04 for my Debian box. It looks interesting, but i have a pretty baci question. I have a *lot* of bookmarks. In Version 3 there was a window which gave you a scrolled list of the entries in your bookmark file. Where does this live in version 4? Thanks for the help on this. -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]770-996-6955 Factory Automation Systems Atlanta Ga. -- Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! Pay no attention to that cliff ahead...Henry Spencer (c) 1997 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DEBIAN QUESTION RE: INSTALLATION SONY CD-ROM
As it is getting very late for me here, I have a question, Since I'm a newbie, (no stones, please) I have followed the instructions using the DOS rawrite-2 tool, constructed all seven floppy images needed. My question involves installing the SONY CDU31A. I have the Debian Linux edition CDRom from the boot! magazine (Nov. '97) and I constructed my disks using the DOS rawrite-2 tool, and everything is fine there. However, since I'm a newbie, my question is regarding in the CD Rom installation. I have a SONY CDU31-A, and the prompt comes up during installation asking me for a command line argument. What?!?! What is it? (I have the port addresses in my Sound Blaster 16 manual, if that's what its talking about). What do I do with it? I type in the numbers for IRQ and whatever, and it starts looking for itand never stops, forcing me to CTRLALTDEL and having to start all over again. PLEASE HELP!!! I've tried everything I know, just as long as I don't get another RTFM again (I printed out the Debian Linux Installation and getting started manual by Boris Beletsky, by the way). Im following along, but I've tried 8 times just to get this thing going and as far as I have gotten is up to install CDRom inteface from the menu. P.S. Just in case something else goes wrong, I'm letting you know I bought Partition Magic so I could split my WIN 95 and Linux up (if I ever get it going...). Sincerely, [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-( -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEBIAN QUESTION RE: INSTALLATION SONY CD-ROM
Darren, I saved this message some time back. I don't have one of these myself, but the argument you need seems to be 0x340 cdu31a_irq=5 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 19 13:50:03 1997 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:32:59 +0100 (MET) From: Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: cdu31a Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:35:19 +0800 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 14 Nov 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend is trying to convert to Debian from Slakware. He's using buzz-fixed off an Info Magic cdrom, and can't get the installation boot disk to recognize his cdu31a. At the lilo prompt, he's type linux cdu31a=0x230,0 This lilo parameter worked fine under slakware. Any suggestions? This gave me the hardest time of installation too and i lost two days being without a reasonably working system trying to find this out and reinstalling numerous times until Bruce gave me the right advice: Try: modprobe cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5 If you use modconf (the module configuration menu) use the arguments cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5 Adapt as needed. It's all stated in the kernel documentation included with the sources which are not present upon the stage of the base system installation. And the information *present* during installation time is somewhat misleading because the old scheme of passing parameters to LILO doesn't work with the new 2.0.xx kernels. This should be revised in the setup configuration. Or is it already for Debian-1.2 release? P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep in touch via email if needed. Lindsay =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perth, Western Australia voice +61 8 9316 248632.0125S 115.8445Evk6lj =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, darren morin wrote: As it is getting very late for me here, I have a question, Since I'm a newbie, (no stones, please) I have followed the instructions using the DOS rawrite-2 tool, constructed all seven floppy images needed. My question involves installing the SONY CDU31A. I have the Debian Linux edition CDRom from the boot! magazine (Nov. '97) and I constructed my disks using the DOS rawrite-2 tool, and everything is fine there. However, since I'm a newbie, my question is regarding in the CD Rom installation. I have a SONY CDU31-A, and the prompt comes up during installation asking me for a command line argument. What?!?! What is it? (I have the port addresses in my Sound Blaster 16 manual, if that's what its talking about). What do I do with it? I type in the numbers for IRQ and whatever, and it starts looking for itand never stops, forcing me to CTRLALTDEL and having to start all over again. PLEASE HELP!!! I've tried everything I know, just as long as I don't get another RTFM again (I printed out the Debian Linux Installation and getting started manual by Boris Beletsky, by the way). Im following along, but I've tried 8 times just to get this thing going and as far as I have gotten is up to install CDRom inteface from the menu. P.S. Just in case something else goes wrong, I'm letting you know I bought Partition Magic so I could split my WIN 95 and Linux up (if I ever get it going...). Sincerely, [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-( -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
not a debian question
Hi people! This is not a Debian question, but I thought someone might know I have a pentium computer with a dual IDE controller, but BIOS can access only primary channel. Will Linux be able to 'see' both channels? (hope it is a yes...) And one more question. I have tried to install second HD on the primary channel and . Hard drive from Western Digital is not recognized at all, but BIOS can find a Seagate one. Nevertheless, when I turn on the computer BIOS says that the new HD did not pass POST, press F1 to continue and computer boots from my old Panasonic drive, but very slowly... After that if I warm reboot the computer, everything is fine. It is a bit inconvenient to wait for 3 min for an error message, slow boot and then reboot Quite a complicated boot sequence. ... IDE controller supports PIO 0,1,2,3,4 ; BIOS supports Large Block Addressing (LBA mode) Did anyone have the same type of problem? Does anyone know what to do? Maybe I have to change something in BIOS setup... People how manufactured BIOS ( Award ) and IDE claim that it should work. Thanks to everybody ZORO -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: not a debian question
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:46:42 MDT Lazar Fleysher ([EMAIL PROTECTED] .gov) wrote: I have a pentium computer with a dual IDE controller, but BIOS can access only primary channel. Will Linux be able to 'see' both channels? (hope it is a yes...) Yes. Of course :-) I have tried to install second HD on the primary channel and . Hard drive from Western Digital is not recognized at all, but BIOS can find a Seagate one. Nevertheless, when I turn on the computer BIOS says that the new HD did not pass POST, press F1 to continue and computer boots from my old Panasonic drive, but very slowly... After that if I warm reboot the computer, everything is fine. Is the second HD configured as slave and the first configured as master. It sometimes looks dumb to say this, but some HD come with three-way settings (alone, master, slave). Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
