Re: FYI: LFS Thread On GRUB non-boots, e2fsprogs, & mke2fs

[tomas]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:06:30PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

[...]

> All my installations that use a separate filesystem for /boot/ use EXT2. It 
> still
> works as good as ever for such an infrequent use environment, with no way to 
> get
> ahead of Grub evolution. :)

There are more reasons for that: you don't necessarily want a journal there (you
can disable the journal on ext4, though. I've done this for read-mostly images 
for
SD cards built into RPis and their ilk).

Cheers
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Re: FYI: LFS Thread On GRUB non-boots, e2fsprogs, & mke2fs

[Felix Miata]

Cindy Sue Causey composed on 2023-02-19 15:30 (UTC-0500):

> Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

>> Hi.. This is just regurgitating something related to my coincidentally
>> referencing several years of GRUB non-boots yesterday. The latest on
>> this Linux From Scratch thread came into my inbox this morning, and it
>> just sounds like it might help some Users having booting problems
>> similar to what I've experienced.

>> The Linux From Scratch thread is here:

>> https://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/sympa/arc/lfs-dev/2023-02/msg00018.html

>> Today's entry referenced this from Launchpad from 2019:

>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1844012

> Also from Debian on 2023.02.15.

> https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1895219.html

> Playing with this has been.. fun.. I guess. I found a
> "metadata_csum_seed" culprit in /etc/mke2fs(.)conf. It's in the line
> for ext4 which is what I use.

> Saw a mention of a patch online. While trying to track that down so
> that this is approached in a Linux-defined methodical way, I found
> Debian's bugs entry there. Their expressed knowledge of this situation
> is why the installer's installation booted on my end a few days ago.
> Their mention of debootstrap installs NOT booting for some of us is
> exactly what I'm personally experiencing right now.

All my installations that use a separate filesystem for /boot/ use EXT2. It 
still
works as good as ever for such an infrequent use environment, with no way to get
ahead of Grub evolution. :)
-- 
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based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

Re: FYI: LFS Thread On GRUB non-boots, e2fsprogs, & mke2fs

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 03:30:52PM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> Found a brand new 2023.02.15 Debian bugs reference for this..
> 
> 
> On 2/19/23, Cindy Sue Causey  wrote:
> > Hi.. This is just regurgitating something related to my coincidentally
> > referencing several years of GRUB non-boots yesterday. The latest on
> > this Linux From Scratch thread came into my inbox this morning, and it
> > just sounds like it might help some Users having booting problems
> > similar to what I've experienced.
> >
> > The Linux From Scratch thread is here:
> >
> > https://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/sympa/arc/lfs-dev/2023-02/msg00018.html
> >
> > Today's entry referenced this from Launchpad from 2019:
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1844012
> 
> 
> Also from Debian on 2023.02.15.
> 
> https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1895219.html
> 
> Playing with this has been.. fun.. I guess. I found a
> "metadata_csum_seed" culprit in /etc/mke2fs(.)conf. It's in the line
> for ext4 which is what I use.
> 
> Saw a mention of a patch online. While trying to track that down so
> that this is approached in a Linux-defined methodical way, I found
> Debian's bugs entry there. Their expressed knowledge of this situation
> is why the installer's installation booted on my end a few days ago.
> Their mention of debootstrap installs NOT booting for some of us is
> exactly what I'm personally experiencing right now.
> 

Cindy,

You might want to try with the .iso file from Bookworm Alpha 2 released
last night / this morning. And by that I mean a fresh install / a 
fresh upgrade to testing.

I've just installed several machines with it (and spent a bunch of time
testing it last night)

The ext4 problem there has been fixed now, for example, and was down
to a new version of e2fsprogs

All the very best, sa ever,

Andy Cater
> However this works out, thank you, Developers!
> 
> Cindy :)
> -- 
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> * gettin' giddy about the next new unstable! *
> 

Re: FYI: LFS Thread On GRUB non-boots, e2fsprogs, & mke2fs

[Cindy Sue Causey]

Found a brand new 2023.02.15 Debian bugs reference for this..


On 2/19/23, Cindy Sue Causey  wrote:
> Hi.. This is just regurgitating something related to my coincidentally
> referencing several years of GRUB non-boots yesterday. The latest on
> this Linux From Scratch thread came into my inbox this morning, and it
> just sounds like it might help some Users having booting problems
> similar to what I've experienced.
>
> The Linux From Scratch thread is here:
>
> https://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/sympa/arc/lfs-dev/2023-02/msg00018.html
>
> Today's entry referenced this from Launchpad from 2019:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1844012


Also from Debian on 2023.02.15.

https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1895219.html

Playing with this has been.. fun.. I guess. I found a
"metadata_csum_seed" culprit in /etc/mke2fs(.)conf. It's in the line
for ext4 which is what I use.

Saw a mention of a patch online. While trying to track that down so
that this is approached in a Linux-defined methodical way, I found
Debian's bugs entry there. Their expressed knowledge of this situation
is why the installer's installation booted on my end a few days ago.
Their mention of debootstrap installs NOT booting for some of us is
exactly what I'm personally experiencing right now.

However this works out, thank you, Developers!

Cindy :)
-- 
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* gettin' giddy about the next new unstable! *

FYI: LFS Thread On GRUB non-boots, e2fsprogs, & mke2fs

[Cindy Sue Causey]

Hi.. This is just regurgitating something related to my coincidentally
referencing several years of GRUB non-boots yesterday. The latest on
this Linux From Scratch thread came into my inbox this morning, and it
just sounds like it might help some Users having booting problems
similar to what I've experienced.

The Linux From Scratch thread is here:

https://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/sympa/arc/lfs-dev/2023-02/msg00018.html

Today's entry referenced this from Launchpad from 2019:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1844012

The first response says three years. That's about how long I've had
horrific issues in attempting to boot via GRUB/GRUB2. My time today
will be spent reading what they're saying AGAIN to then try to match
it up with my Debian debootstrap. If it eventually makes sense, I'm
going to check the same variable, etc, for the various other operating
systems' LiveDVDs that have successfully booted up the last few
months.

An issue like this makes sense with respect to how I duplicated all of
Mint's installed GRUB files via Debian's own counterparts a couple
days ago... and it still did NOT boot on Debian. I HOPE it turns out
to be that one or more of Debian's various GRUB files have a feature
toggled on that the successfully booting operating systems have
toggled off.

That would include that one Debian installer I tried recently, by the
way. A lot has happened since then so I've forgotten the minor
details. That instance of Debian obviously had to have booted because
I encountered some other showstopper issue once it got loaded up. I
was working with it off of the partition, not a DVD at the time. I'm
back into debootstrap, and I'm not touching installers again... well,
unless it somehow ultimately benefits Testing/Unstable's developers.
:)

See you all out here..

Cindy :)
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* gettin' giddy about the next new unstable! *

An FYI Re: AppArmor permissions to create a specific directory

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/11/2018 12:56 PM, André Rodier wrote:
[snip] 
I reached a point I am satisfied, but I have an issue with AppArmor some

experts may know how to solve.
[snip]


There is also an AppArmor mailing list 



In April 2016 I had sent an email to apparmor-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com on 
an administrative issue


The answer I received said in part:>

It's both for user questions and developer discussion. Traffic is
sometimes bursty. That said, just because you are not a developer, does
NOT mean that you can't and don't have useful things to contribute. Bug
reports, finding unclear or missing documentation and suggesting
improvements, testing, answering others' questions are all valuable
contributions that do not require being a developer to do. 


HTH

Re: FYI

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FYI

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Re: FYI: systemd session logging - no solution

[Reco]

Hi.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 04:52:33PM +0200, Václav Ovsík wrote:
> Lately I found this:
> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1291
> so no nice solution unfortunately :(.

So you're saying that rsyslog filtering is not nice somehow.
Care to elaborate?

Reco

Re: FYI: systemd session logging - no solution

[Joel Rees]

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Václav Ovsík  wrote:
> Lately I found this:
> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1291
> so no nice solution unfortunately :(.
> --
> Zito
>

I want to show that to Poettering's manager.

-- 
Joel Rees

One of these days I'll get someone to pay me
to design a language that combines the best of Forth and C.
Then I'll be able to leap wide instruction sets with a single #ifdef,
run faster than a speeding infinite loop with a #define,
and stop all integer size bugs with my bare cast.
http://defining-computers.blogspot.com/2017/06/reinventing-computers.html

More of my delusions:
http://reiisi.blogspot.com/2017/05/do-not-pay-modern-danegeld-ransomware.html
http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/p/novels-i-am-writing.html

FYI: systemd session logging - no solution

[Václav Ovsík]

Lately I found this:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1291
so no nice solution unfortunately :(.
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FYI: Stretch release party zaterdag 18 juni

[Geert Stappers]

Nu ook op deze mailinglist.

Vertel het ook verder.


On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 10:56:38PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
> 
> Hoi,
> 
> Mensen achter het e-mail adres ontmoeten is altijd goed.
> 
> Deze keer gebruiken we de release van Stretch als reden  :-)
> 
> 
>  
> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch#ReleasePartyStretch.2FNetherlands.2FAmsterdam.The_Netherlands:_Amsterdam
>  https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/Debian_Release_Party
> 
> 
> Dus als je wat met "Debian" hebt, in de breedste zin,
> kom dan zaterdag 17 juni naar Technologia Incognita.
> 
> 
> Groeten
> Geert Stappers
> 
> - Forwarded and edited message from Chris Lamb -
> 
> Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:16:16 +0100
> From: Chris Lamb
> To: debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Bits from the DPL (May 2017)
> 
> 
> Dear fellow developers,
> 
> 
> Upcoming «stretch» release
> ==
> 
> In case you have missed it, the tireless Release Team have announced
> they plan to release «stretch» on June 17th![7]  Do re-read over
> their announcement as it contains some important deadlines.
> 
> We should celebrate all our effort however; please check the release
> party page[8] on the Debian Wiki for an event near you. If there are
> none currently arranged for your area, please jump in and arrange one.
> 
>   [7] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg2.html
>   [8] https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch
> 
> 
> 
> See you next month!
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - -- 
>   ,''`.
>  : :'  : Chris Lamb
>  `. `'`  la...@debian.org / chris-lamb.co.uk
>`-
> 
> - End edited message -
> 
> -- 
> Groeten
> Geert Stappers
> -- 
> Leven en laten leven
> 

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Sid Unstable FYI: New libreoffice Depends Upgrade Fails

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

Good morning! Just an FYI (for your information) tickler about fails
reported for the newest Sid unstable upgrades:

+ + +

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libreoffice : Depends: libreoffice-java-common (= 1:5.0.1~rc2~) but
1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
 libreoffice-core : Depends: libreoffice-common ( 1:5.0.1~rc2) but
1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
Depends: libclucene-contribs1v5 (= 2.3.3.4) but
it is not going to be installed
Depends: libclucene-core1v5 (= 2.3.3.4) but it is
not going to be installed
 libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb : Depends: libreoffice-java-common (=
1:5.0.1~rc2~) but 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

+ + +

Python-uno failed for similar:

+ + +

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 python3-uno : Depends: libreoffice-core (= 1:5.0.1~rc2-1) but
1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

+ + +

Figured maybe posting it would help someone in development get a
chance to address it before any bug reports start coming in

Or not. :D

Happy Debian'ing-ing out there!

Cindy :)

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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* If I could figure out how to fix it, I surely would. :D *

Re: Sid Unstable FYI: New libreoffice Depends Upgrade Fails

[Riley Baird]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:05:07 -0400
Cindy-Sue Causey butterflyby...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good morning! Just an FYI (for your information) tickler about fails
 reported for the newest Sid unstable upgrades:
 
 + + +
 
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libreoffice : Depends: libreoffice-java-common (= 1:5.0.1~rc2~) but
 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
  libreoffice-core : Depends: libreoffice-common ( 1:5.0.1~rc2) but
 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
 Depends: libclucene-contribs1v5 (= 2.3.3.4) but
 it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libclucene-core1v5 (= 2.3.3.4) but it is
 not going to be installed
  libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb : Depends: libreoffice-java-common (=
 1:5.0.1~rc2~) but 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
 
 + + +
 
 Python-uno failed for similar:
 
 + + +
 
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  python3-uno : Depends: libreoffice-core (= 1:5.0.1~rc2-1) but
 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 is to be installed
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
 
 + + +
 
 Figured maybe posting it would help someone in development get a
 chance to address it before any bug reports start coming in
 
 Or not. :D
 
 Happy Debian'ing-ing out there!
 
 Cindy :)

Thanks for the report! Debian is currently going through a transition
to use GCC5 to build all packages. In the process, packages are being
renamed (for example, libclucene-core1 will become libclucene-core1v5),
and this means that some packages are going to be uninstallable in the
meantime. apt-get update in a couple of days and it *should* be fixed.


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Re: FYI NVidia guide to improve performance and stability on Debian

[Jarth Berilcosm]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 03:57:19 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Because i've had my share of 'blues' with NVidia on Debian i've compiled
 a guide which documents what i believe to be a permanent fix for many
 issues.
 
 http://www.oxitech.info/helpdesk/nvidia.html
 
 Basically, the below resolves most if not all troubles.
 
   1. set nomodeset as a boot parameter in /etc/default/grub 2. do 
not
   initialise your screen into a graphical mode ( no vga=
 option ) at boot
 
 There is a somewhat detailed and hopefully correct explanation on the
 page.
 
 I have the impression the latest driver from NVidia is more performant
 and stable as well. So i've installed that one. I'm not motivated to
 stick with the current version as right now my machine works like a
 dream since the past few hours.
 
 
 Let me know if the guide works for you.
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 J.

This is apparently not a win-all situation as, apparently, for more 
modern graphics cards these issue do not come into play.


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FYI NVidia guide to improve performance and stability on Debian

[Jarth Berilcosm]

Hi,

Because i've had my share of 'blues' with NVidia on Debian i've compiled 
a guide which documents what i believe to be a permanent fix for many 
issues.

http://www.oxitech.info/helpdesk/nvidia.html

Basically, the below resolves most if not all troubles.

1. set nomodeset as a boot parameter in /etc/default/grub
2. do not initialise your screen into a graphical mode ( no vga= 
option ) at boot

There is a somewhat detailed and hopefully correct explanation on the 
page.

I have the impression the latest driver from NVidia is more performant 
and stable as well. So i've installed that one. I'm not motivated to 
stick with the current version as right now my machine works like a dream 
since the past few hours.


Let me know if the guide works for you.


Best Regards,

J.


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Nautilus-dropbox license (was: FYI: nautilus-dropbox works with Xfce's file manager, Thunar)

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:21:01 -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 OTOH, do you know -by any chance- why is that package at the non-free
 section? I thought it was released under a GPL license :-?
 
 I guess because it downloads the Dropbox binary, which is not FOSS?

Mmm... let's dig a bit more into the current package status. I've found 
this:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610300

But it's not clear whether the current client is freely distributable or 
not because it seems to be released using a GPL license :-?

Ah, okay, the real reason was commented here:

***
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613788

* The package goes in non-free because the pictures are non-free (CC-SA-
ND) even if the code is GPL. Otherwise it could have gone into contrib 
since it needs the proprietary dropbox binary to work.
***

 (Sorry for sending private reply, that's Gmail's annoying default
 behavior.)

Don't worry, I didn't even notice because of a filter I've set that sends 
to the trash the duplicated posts :-P

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FYI: nautilus-dropbox works with Xfce's file manager, Thunar

[Patrick Wiseman]

Hello, all:

I recently installed a new testing system, using the xfce
installation, so as to avoid the new GNOME. I wanted to install
DropBox, which comes in a package called nautilus-dropbox. I feared
that I was going to have to install Nautilus, but it turns out that's
not so. When I first opened the DropBox folder, I was prompted to
choose my file manager of choice, Thunar.

I found that interesting, and pleasing, and thought others might be
relieved to hear it too!

Patrick


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Re: FYI: nautilus-dropbox works with Xfce's file manager, Thunar

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:26:18 -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

 I recently installed a new testing system, using the xfce installation,
 so as to avoid the new GNOME. I wanted to install DropBox, which comes
 in a package called nautilus-dropbox. I feared that I was going to have
 to install Nautilus, but it turns out that's not so. When I first opened
 the DropBox folder, I was prompted to choose my file manager of choice,
 Thunar.

It seems that nautilus is suggested but not required. Good :-)
 
 I found that interesting, and pleasing, and thought others might be
 relieved to hear it too!

Thanks for sharing the info.

OTOH, do you know -by any chance- why is that package at the non-free 
section? I thought it was released under a GPL license :-?

Greetings,

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Re: FYI: nautilus-dropbox works with Xfce's file manager, Thunar

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:26:18 -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

 I recently installed a new testing system, using the xfce installation,
 so as to avoid the new GNOME. I wanted to install DropBox, which comes
 in a package called nautilus-dropbox. I feared that I was going to have
 to install Nautilus, but it turns out that's not so. When I first opened
 the DropBox folder, I was prompted to choose my file manager of choice,
 Thunar.

 It seems that nautilus is suggested but not required. Good :-)

 I found that interesting, and pleasing, and thought others might be
 relieved to hear it too!

 Thanks for sharing the info.

 OTOH, do you know -by any chance- why is that package at the non-free
 section? I thought it was released under a GPL license :-?

I guess because it downloads the Dropbox binary, which is not FOSS?
(Sorry for sending private reply, that's Gmail's annoying default
behavior.)


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FYI ελληνικό άρθρο για το Debian (shameless plug)

[Serafeim Zanikolas]

http://people.debian.org/~sez/debian-community-article.el.pdf


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Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:31:20PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote:
 If you boot up a fresh install of Debian  after you boot up, plug in your 
 Ethernet cable  try to add software, 
 Debian asks for the install disk. If you plug in Ethernet BEFORE you boot up 
 it will look online for software. 
 

Think :) - This is by design, particularly if you consider the use of network 
install media.

1. Rare case now - you have no network at all. All installation must be done 
from CDs / DVDs. The apt sources
list points to the DVD install media by default (You have nothing else, right?).

2. You boot from the netinst / business card CDs [PXE boot optional]. 
There is only enough on the disk to find a network,bootstrap a kernel and carry 
on [business card/PXE]
or to install a bare bones base system in addition [netinst - at about 
100-150MB] If your network
isn't connected, you lose (and should get an error message somewhere).

3. You boot from the DVD _and_ a network cable is found. At this point, you're 
asked whether you want to use 
the network. In Testing at the moment, I think the message is even something 
along the lines of You're currently 
installing from a CD/DVD - do you want to use netwrok repositories?

If you're on an isolated network / behind a firewall which doesn't allow 
Internet access / at a friend's house
and don't want their router to configure your DHCP - you might want to carry on 
using the CD/DVD. If you say No
to the network, you should still get the DVD as your primary apt source.

If you say yes, then the DVD entry in /etc/apt/sources.list should be commented 
out with a # as part of the final 
clean up process.

If all else fails _ALWAYS_ check the /etc/apt/sources.list file, as that should 
tell you what's what.
It is human editable and is read in order from top to bottom.

Hope this helps,

AndyC

 
 
   
 
 
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Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[Steven]

On Thu, June 10, 2010 08:25, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

[snip...]
 3. You boot from the DVD _and_ a network cable is found. At this point,
 you're asked whether you want to use
 the network. In Testing at the moment, I think the message is even
 something along the lines of You're currently
 installing from a CD/DVD - do you want to use netwrok repositories?

I installed squeeze (this is still testing, right? :) ) a couple of times
recently, but haven't seen this message, is it only in the full CD/DVD? Or
has it to do with the GUI install, I used the debian installer (text mode)
on a netinstall.

[snip...]


 Hope this helps,

 AndyC


Kind regards,
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Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 06/10/2010 04:57 AM, Steven wrote:

On Thu, June 10, 2010 08:25, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
   

3. You boot from the DVD _and_ a network cable is found. At this point,
you're asked whether you want to use
the network. In Testing at the moment, I think the message is even
something along the lines of You're currently
installing from a CD/DVD - do you want to use netwrok repositories?
 

I installed squeeze (this is still testing, right? :) ) a couple of times
recently, but haven't seen this message, is it only in the full CD/DVD? Or
has it to do with the GUI install, I used the debian installer (text mode)
on a netinstall.
   


The netinstall only has the essential packages for a bare-bones system, 
so it cannot offer installation from the CD/DVD - packages must be 
fetched from the network.


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Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[ABSDoug]

You misunderstood my post here... or more likely never actually read it? FYI 
means, For Your Information. I was pointing out what was confusing the hell out 
of me that I SOLVED. I saw a post that had SOLVED in the subject, I should ( 
will) do that in the future. 

Here it is again:

 ABSDoug wrote:

If you boot up a fresh install of Debian  after you boot up, plug in your 
Ethernet cable  try to add software, Debian asks for the install disk. If you 
plug in Ethernet BEFORE you boot up it will look online for software.
 
Alexander Batischev answered:
 You already have an answer, it appeared in one of your (numerous) threads 
few days ago:

 On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:32:09 -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
When adding packages, your system needs to know where to look. To find out, it 
looks at the list in /etc/apt/sources.list. Take a look at that. You'll 
probably see that the first item(s) in the list refer to the install disk.  So, 
until you get internet connection, you're gonna need to use some other means . 
. . like the install disk to get packages.

I read this post, but before I went  made any changes, I hooked up the 
Ethernet cord *BEFORE* booting up Debian. Update  Package Manager stopped 
asking for the install disk  downloaded from the Internet. Problem SOLVED, 
MYSELF, above post irrelevant to my situation. I did not edit anything in 
sources.list. Like I said, FYI if someone is ever having this issue again.

Alexander Batischev answered:
 Well, usually people want to learn, not just do what they're told to do. If 
you have no willing to solve your problems by yourself (or at least *try* to do 
so), Linux (probably) is not for you. That's my opinion, anyway.

I guess you were wrong this time, cause I did solve it myself. AND when I tried 
to SHARE my solution, you jumped all over me. Maybe read what someone wrote 
before you jump all over them.

Also, I'm confused... why would I rather NOT have an Internet connection? Why 
would it be better to do my research from another OS, then reboot, then... well 
I'm not sure what since the problem WAS getting on the Internet. Kinda 
difficult to do reaseach on the Internet about your Internet connection not 
working. Maybe you like difficult... or being difficult. Not me, I'll ask if 
there is an easy way EVERY time. 

ANYWAY, I'm on the Internet, I'm researching all these changes  hopefully, I 
can even start installing dual boot MS  Linux on some friend's computers. The 
only thing 1 of my friends seems to be able to do with her computer is screw up 
XP.





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SOLVED Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[ABSDoug]

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Think :) - This is by design, particularly if you consider
 the use of network install media.

Yep, that's what got me thinking... if I plug the Ethernet cord in BEFORE 
booting up, what happens then? Problem solved!
 
 1. Rare case now - you have no network at all. All
 installation must be done from CDs / DVDs. The apt sources
 list points to the DVD install media by default (You have
 nothing else, right?).
 
No. As I wrote: (bold added)

If you boot up a fresh install of Debian  AFTER you boot up, plug in your 
Ethernet cable  try to add software, Debian asks for the install disk. -- IF 
YOU PLUG IN ETHERNET *BEFORE* YOU BOOT UP IT (Package Manager) WILL LOOK ONLINE 
FOR SOFTWARE --

Don't mean to shout, but I was clearly not clear! A few people didn't 
understand what I meant.


  


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Re: SOLVED Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[Mark]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:35 PM, ABSDoug absd...@yahoo.com wrote:


 If you boot up a fresh install of Debian  AFTER you boot up, plug in your
 Ethernet cable  try to add software, Debian asks for the install disk. --
 IF YOU PLUG IN ETHERNET *BEFORE* YOU BOOT UP IT (Package Manager) WILL LOOK
 ONLINE FOR SOFTWARE --

 Don't mean to shout, but I was clearly not clear! A few people didn't
 understand what I meant.


All modifiable in under 1 minute via /etc/apt/sources.list, for future
reference.

Re: SOLVED Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[ABSDoug]

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Mark mamar...@gmail.com wrote:

All modifiable in under 1 minute via /etc/apt/sources.list, for future 
reference. 
+++

That is what I read, was on my way to doing that  said to myself, I wonder if 
I put the Ethernet cord in 1st... yeah sources.list, been reading it's the same 
as adding to Software Sources, but faster if you know what you're doing.





  


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Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[ABSDoug]

If you boot up a fresh install of Debian  after you boot up, plug in your 
Ethernet cable  try to add software, Debian asks for the install disk. If you 
plug in Ethernet BEFORE you boot up it will look online for software. WOW, that 
was frustrating! I'm FINALLY online with Debian on my Acer Aspire One. Special 
thanks to Hugo Vanwoerkom. Instead of telling me to look it up, requiring me to 
reboot into another OS to get online, he just told me exactly what I needed to 
do. Now I can do all the learning  testing of Debian from INSIDE Debian. 
Thanks again Hugo! Ok I'm off the install Skype  see how to auto-mount ntfs 
partitions... if anyone has some advice on the the ntfs auto-mount, I'm gunna 
start a new thread. I was using ntfs-config in Ubuntu 9.10, but I don't see 
that in Debian Synaptic Package Manager.



  


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Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[Alexander Batischev]

On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:31:20PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote:
 If you boot up a fresh install of Debian  after you boot up, plug in your
 Ethernet cable  try to add software, Debian asks for the install disk. If
 you plug in Ethernet BEFORE you boot up it will look online for software.

You already have an answer, it appeared in one of your (numerous) threads
few days ago:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:32:09 -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
 When adding packages, your system needs to know where to look. To find
 out, it looks at the list in /etc/apt/sources.list. Take a look at
 that. You'll probably see that the first item(s) in the list refer to
 the install disk.  So, until you get internet connection, you're gonna
 need to use some other means . . . like the install disk to get
 packages.

 Once you get connected, DO SOME HOMEWORK and figure out how to edit
 that file so that the system does not want to look at the install disk
 all of the time, but rather looks out at the web.

So it's time to do homework!

 Instead of telling me to look it up, requiring me to reboot into another OS
 to get online, he just told me exactly what I needed to do. Now I can do all
 the learning  testing of Debian from INSIDE Debian. Thanks again Hugo!

Well, usually people want to learn, not just do what they're told to do. If you
have no willing to solve your problems by yourself (or at least *try* to do
so), Linux (probably) is not for you. That's my opinion, anyway.

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Re: Debian asking for DVD... (FYI)

[Lisi]

On Thursday 10 June 2010 03:31:20 ABSDoug wrote:
 Instead of telling me to look it up, requiring me to reboot into another OS
 to get online

How are you getting your emails if you cannot get online?  And if you can get 
online to read your emails, why can you not do some work for yourself?

Lisi


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FYI: No X ... oops

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

(CCing Carlos Carrero Gutierrez since it may be his problem too)

I did some minor system tweaks and rebooted...  alas, X does not start on 
lenny.  
Careful reading of error message pointed me to missing /dev/agpgart.  My
dual boot system function works OK.  So this is software issue.

 # modprobe intel-agp

Hmmm... does not work. 

I did 

# depmod -a

Then system reboot OK.

I do not have time to find which package or action caused this trouble
but if you find similar problem, recreating  modules.dep and map files
may be good idea.

Osamu


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Re: FYI: Severe Vulnerability in Opera 9.22

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 09:25:33PM +, andy wrote:
 Mathias Brodala wrote:
 Hi Manon.

 Manon Metten, 15.08.2007 20:42:
   
 I just read in the papers that there's a severe vulnerability discovered 
 in
 Opera 9.22, although the article did not say what. It is fixed in 9.23.
 

 See the changelog[0].


 Regards, Mathias

 [0] http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/923/

   
 Thanks for the note.

 The update isn't yet in Lenny, but is available at the Opera site  a quick 
 dpkg -i and in it goes.

$grep opera /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera unstable non-free

(replace unstable with testing/lenny etc.)

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Re: FYI: Severe Vulnerability in Opera 9.22

[Mathias Brodala]

Hi Andrei.

Andrei Popescu, 17.08.2007 21:35:
 On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 09:25:33PM +, andy wrote:
 Mathias Brodala wrote:
 Hi Manon.

 Manon Metten, 15.08.2007 20:42:
   
 I just read in the papers that there's a severe vulnerability discovered 
 in
 Opera 9.22, although the article did not say what. It is fixed in 9.23.
 
 See the changelog[0].


 Regards, Mathias

 [0] http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/923/

   
 Thanks for the note.

 The update isn't yet in Lenny, but is available at the Opera site  a quick 
 dpkg -i and in it goes.
 
 $grep opera /etc/apt/sources.list
 
 deb http://deb.opera.com/opera unstable non-free
 
 (replace unstable with testing/lenny etc.)

Unfortunately this repo is slowly managed. The update is at the download section
of opera.com days before the deb reaches their repo. I always get new releases
from ftp.opera.com.


Regards, Mathias

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FYI: Severe Vulnerability in Opera 9.22

[Manon Metten]

Hi,

I just read in the papers that there's a severe vulnerability discovered in
Opera 9.22, although the article did not say what. It is fixed in 9.23.

Manon.

Re: FYI: Severe Vulnerability in Opera 9.22

[Mathias Brodala]

Hi Manon.

Manon Metten, 15.08.2007 20:42:
 I just read in the papers that there's a severe vulnerability discovered in
 Opera 9.22, although the article did not say what. It is fixed in 9.23.

See the changelog[0].


Regards, Mathias

[0] http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/923/

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Re: FYI: Severe Vulnerability in Opera 9.22

[andy]

Mathias Brodala wrote:

Hi Manon.

Manon Metten, 15.08.2007 20:42:
  

I just read in the papers that there's a severe vulnerability discovered in
Opera 9.22, although the article did not say what. It is fixed in 9.23.



See the changelog[0].


Regards, Mathias

[0] http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/923/

  

Thanks for the note.

The update isn't yet in Lenny, but is available at the Opera site  a 
quick dpkg -i and in it goes.


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Re: FYI: Debian as a desktop system

[Paul Johnson]

Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote in Article
[EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:

 Interesting read?
 
 Very positive review of Debian Etch.
 
 Conclusion:
 I feel that Debian Etch is as good on the desktop as it is on the
 server. It has a long rich history, a strong community, is amazingly
 stable and is a great fit for both my servers and my laptop. I urge
 everyone to give it a go on the desktop.
 
 http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/article/debian_as_a_desktop_system

Interesting read, but I'm not sure I agree with their suggestion of
relatively inexperienced users using testing/unstable in any capacity.

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FYI: Debian as a desktop system

[Sjoerd Hiemstra]

Interesting read?

Very positive review of Debian Etch.

Conclusion:
I feel that Debian Etch is as good on the desktop as it is on the
server. It has a long rich history, a strong community, is amazingly
stable and is a great fit for both my servers and my laptop. I urge
everyone to give it a go on the desktop.

http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/article/debian_as_a_desktop_system


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cdrecord / xcdroast on Sarge / 2.6.8-3 as user - FYI

[Uwe Dippel]

Call this redundant (and soon - with Etch - outdated).

The archive is full of posts on this topic, but none seems to wrap it up.
Instead of you having to to sort it out, try this:

1. All this 'ATAPI' is logically correct, but not technically. Use 'ATA'.

2. 'cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus' is the way to go.

3. Then use the result of 2 above for your commands for cdrecord; as in
cdrecord -v blank=fast dev=ATA:1,1,0 (whatever 2 came up with).

4. Delete the found device in xcdroast, add [ATA:1,1,0] manually in the
setup, wait for it to recognize the drive. Save.

Enjoy either of the two as user. Instead of sudo, root or set-uid:

# ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root133 2005-01-10 00:55 /usr/bin/cdrecord
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 348556 2005-01-10 00:55 /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 351404 2005-01-10 00:55 /usr/bin/cdrecord.shm

# ls -l /dev/hdd
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 64 2004-04-30 08:27 /dev/hdd

The only thing needed is that your user is member of group 'disk'. The
latter shows why.

Have fun,

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Re: cdrecord / xcdroast on Sarge / 2.6.8-3 as user - FYI

[Stephan Seitz]

On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:22:47AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote:

# ls -l /dev/hdd
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 64 2004-04-30 08:27 /dev/hdd
The only thing needed is that your user is member of group 'disk'. The
latter shows why.


Don’t use the group disk, use group cdrom instead. Anyone in group disk 
can read and write direct to the disks (e.g deleting partitions). You 
don’t want this.


Shade and sweet water!

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Re: cdrecord / xcdroast on Sarge / 2.6.8-3 as user - FYI

[Uwe Dippel]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:04:21 +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote:

 Don't use the group disk, use group cdrom instead. Anyone in group disk
 can read and write direct to the disks (e.g deleting partitions). You
 don't want this.

Ah, sure ! - I think now it is perfect.

Thanks,

Uwe



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Re: catch-22 upgrade (FYI)

[Mark Grieveson]

Mark Grieveson wrote:
 


Hello.  Just some info for those considering upgrading from Sarge to
Etch (or Sid).  I just upgraded my system from Debian Sarge, to Debian
Sid.  I initially set out to upgrade to Etch, but circumstances drove me
to Sid. I changed the repositories in my sources.list from sarge to
etch, and proceded.  After a while it gave an error reading, claiming
that to upgrade udev, the kernel image had to be greater than 2.6.12 (I
was using 2.6.8).  When trying to install the 2.6.15 kernel image, it
complained that a newer version of udev was required.  The xserver
protested, committing hare-kare, and I was left using Lynx, and Pico
(not the cutting edge software I had been anticipating, needless to
say.)  Running apt-get -f install did nothing. I then altered the
sources from Etch, to Sid, and, giving me hope, various changes
occurred.  However, it left me with the same message, that the new udev
was required.  I rebooted using the 2.4.27 kernel image, and ran
apt-get -f install, and, strangely enough, it worked.  The new kernel
installed, udev installed, the xserver came back to life, and I ended up
in an XFCE desktop, with my home directory in tact.  An unexpected
surprise, to be sure, though I'm quite happy to have salvaged my system.
I'm hoping one day that I'll be samrt and actually make a back-up of my
system before trying stuff like upgrading again.  My OpenOffice.org 2.0
(converted from alien) seems to have vanished.  I think my gnome desktop
environment is a casualty as well, but at least my home directory still
exists.
   



The solution to this is to uninstall the initrd-tools package and to
install yaird and then install the new kernel.
 

Uhg!  I had it working reasonably well, and then THIS EMAIL CAME, and 
buggered everything up once again!  I am going to sentence myself to 
write, a thousand times over, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  
Anyway, after removing initrd-tools, installing yaird, and reinstalling 
the new kernel image, it broke.  Thankfully, I've got my system half 
working again by reinstalling initrd-tools.  My web-server is still not 
working however, and there's still oodles of errors.  Yikes.



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Re: catch-22 upgrade (FYI)

[Colin]

Mark Grieveson wrote:
 Hello.  Just some info for those considering upgrading from Sarge to
 Etch (or Sid).  I just upgraded my system from Debian Sarge, to Debian
 Sid.  I initially set out to upgrade to Etch, but circumstances drove me
 to Sid. I changed the repositories in my sources.list from sarge to
 etch, and proceded.  After a while it gave an error reading, claiming
 that to upgrade udev, the kernel image had to be greater than 2.6.12 (I
 was using 2.6.8).  When trying to install the 2.6.15 kernel image, it
 complained that a newer version of udev was required.  The xserver
 protested, committing hare-kare, and I was left using Lynx, and Pico
 (not the cutting edge software I had been anticipating, needless to
 say.)  Running apt-get -f install did nothing. I then altered the
 sources from Etch, to Sid, and, giving me hope, various changes
 occurred.  However, it left me with the same message, that the new udev
 was required.  I rebooted using the 2.4.27 kernel image, and ran
 apt-get -f install, and, strangely enough, it worked.  The new kernel
 installed, udev installed, the xserver came back to life, and I ended up
 in an XFCE desktop, with my home directory in tact.  An unexpected
 surprise, to be sure, though I'm quite happy to have salvaged my system.
 I'm hoping one day that I'll be samrt and actually make a back-up of my
 system before trying stuff like upgrading again.  My OpenOffice.org 2.0
 (converted from alien) seems to have vanished.  I think my gnome desktop
 environment is a casualty as well, but at least my home directory still
 exists.

The solution to this is to uninstall the initrd-tools package and to
install yaird and then install the new kernel.


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catch-22 upgrade (FYI)

[Mark Grieveson]

Hello.  Just some info for those considering upgrading from Sarge to 
Etch (or Sid).  I just upgraded my system from Debian Sarge, to Debian 
Sid.  I initially set out to upgrade to Etch, but circumstances drove me 
to Sid. 
I changed the repositories in my sources.list from sarge to etch, and 
proceded.  After a while it gave an error reading, claiming that to 
upgrade udev, the kernel image had to be greater than 2.6.12 (I was 
using 2.6.8).  When trying to install the 2.6.15 kernel image, it 
complained that a newer version of udev was required.  The xserver 
protested, committing hare-kare, and I was left using Lynx, and Pico 
(not the cutting edge software I had been anticipating, needless to 
say.)  Running apt-get -f install did nothing. 
I then altered the sources from Etch, to Sid, and, giving me hope, 
various changes occurred.  However, it left me with the same message, 
that the new udev was required.  I rebooted using the 2.4.27 kernel 
image, and ran apt-get -f install, and, strangely enough, it worked.  
The new kernel installed, udev installed, the xserver came back to life, 
and I ended up in an XFCE desktop, with my home directory in tact.  An 
unexpected surprise, to be sure, though I'm quite happy to have salvaged 
my system.
I'm hoping one day that I'll be samrt and actually make a back-up of my 
system before trying stuff like upgrading again.  My OpenOffice.org 2.0 
(converted from alien) seems to have vanished.  I think my gnome desktop 
environment is a casualty as well, but at least my home directory still 
exists.



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Re: catch-22 upgrade (FYI)

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Mark Grieveson wrote:

I'm hoping one day that I'll be samrt and actually make a back-up of 
my system before trying stuff like upgrading again.


You should always have backups. If you are running unstable, you should 
make the backups NOW. You never know what is going to happen in the next 
upgrade. Better be paranoid and have backups ready than loosing 
months/years of work.



My OpenOffice.org 2.0 (converted from alien) seems to have vanished.


Why not just install them from unstable repositories (instead of alien)? 
It is as simple as running


apt-get install openoffice.org

Unstable currently has openoffice 2.0.1-2 .

Also before upgrading from stable to testing or unstable, I think it is 
a good idea to check


http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting

http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable


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[Mark Grieveson]

I'm hoping one day that I'll be samrt and actually make a back-up of 
my system before trying stuff like upgrading again.



You should always have backups. If you are running unstable, you 
should make the backups NOW. You never know what is going to happen in 
the next upgrade. Better be paranoid and have backups ready than 
loosing months/years of work.



My OpenOffice.org 2.0 (converted from alien) seems to have vanished.



Why not just install them from unstable repositories (instead of 
alien)? It is as simple as running


apt-get install openoffice.org

Unstable currently has openoffice 2.0.1-2 .

Also before upgrading from stable to testing or unstable, I think it 
is a good idea to check


http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting

http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable


hth
raju


Thanks for the tips.  I did install OpenOffice.org 2.0, and it works 
well.  My main point was how irritating the udev/kernel image catch-22 
was.  I know others have dealt with this quandary too.



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Re: catch-22 upgrade (FYI)

[Alex Nordstrom]

Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:21, Mark Grieveson wrote:
 Thanks for the tips.  I did install OpenOffice.org 2.0, and it works
 well.  My main point was how irritating the udev/kernel image
 catch-22 was.  I know others have dealt with this quandary too.

In my experience, aptitude is quite, eh, apt at resolving that sort of 
situation, much more so than apt-get.

Sometimes, it also helps the resolver in situations like this if you 
tell it to install both packages at the same time, rather than one 
after the other.

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Re: FYI: no video overlay support on recent Nvidia chips.

[khurram]

Is there a workaround for this issue or has it been fixed?  It still  
exists in Ubuntu breezy at least.


Thx.


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Re: FYI: no video overlay support on recent Nvidia chips.

[Bruno Hertz]

khurram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Is there a workaround for this issue or has it been fixed?  It still  
 exists in Ubuntu breezy at least.

 Thx.

Not that I know of, but I didn't follow this issue recently. AFAIK,
it's related to chip design, so it probably can't be fixed. Except,
maybe, emulating hardware overlay support via the driver, which
apparently again would involve CPU cycles.

The best place for Nvidia/Linux related issues is btw the
corresponding forum
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=forumid=14

Here the thread I originally posted in July
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=54336

and two more recent threads with complaints about the same issue
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=54992
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=53984

So my guess is no, this isn't/can't/won't be fixed.

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FYI: Kunden- / Produkt- und Auftragsverwaltung

[Markus Plessing]

Hallo Liste,

vor ca. 7 Wochen habe ich hier auf der Liste [1] versprochen
die von mir firmenintern mit Java entwickelte Software zur
Kunden-/Produkt- und Auftragsverwaltung als OpenSource-Projekt
auf Sourceforge [2] zur Verfügung zu stellen. Dies habe ich
Ende letzter Woche nachdem das Projekt zugelassen wurde in
die Tat umgesetzt.

Die Software wird firmenintern bereits erfolgreich eingesetzt,
ist jedoch aufgrund von statischen Bereichen in der Software
noch nicht ganz systemunabhängig einsetzbar, weshalb ich sie
im Moment auch nur als Source und Pre-Alpha gekennzeichnet zum
Download anbiete.
Es werden aber Shellscripts (*nix) zum Erstellen der Klassen, sowie
eine Beispieldatenbank mitgeliefert um die Software relativ schnell
mal angucken zu können.

Zur Generierung der Dokumente wird OpenOffice in 1.1.x - Versionen
verwendet.

Ich hoffe, dass jemand mit meiner Arbeit was anfangen kann und dass ich
noch ein paar Interessierte zur Weiterentwicklung finde. Diese wird wohl
ausschließlich in meiner Freizeit stattfinden, da ich während meiner
Arbeitszeit nur die Verwaltung des Projektes erledigen darf.

Ich hänge einfach ein kleines freches TODO an, vielleicht wecke ich ja
Interesse  ;-)  :

* Integration von OpenOffice.org 2.0, evtl. als extra Zweig
* Umsetzung eines mehrsprachigen Interfaces
* Übersetzung (D-E) von Installationsanleitung und Dokumentation
* Erweiterung der Dokumentation, Webseite usw.
* Verbesserung der Ansteuerung von OpenOffice.org 1.x
* Lösung von spezifischer Plattform (z.B. werden Startscripts verwendet)
* Erweiterung des UPS Shipment Tools (Rechtsfragen sind noch zu klären)
* Verfeinerung der Datenbankstruktur (PostgreSQL)
* Generierung von Installern ( z.B. mit IzPack )
* Hilfe mit der CVS-Verwaltung
* und natürlich die Umsetzung der firmenbezogenen Teile in unabhängig
  einzusetzende Software.

Danke für die Aufmerksamkeit  :-)

Markus Plessing

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FYI: kein Video Overlay Support auf modernen Nvidia Chips.

[Bruno Hertz]

Für alle die es interessiert, und weil es z.B. für xawtv Anwender
die Hardware Scaling haben möchten eine Rolle spielt:

mindestens auf dem 6600 Nvidia Grafik Chip, vermutlich aber auch
auf allen neueren gibt es keinen Xvideo Overlay Support mehr wie
auf früheren Geforce Chips. Auf dem 6800er soll es aber noch
gehen, da das eine ältere Architektur ist (NV40 vs. NV41 beim 6600).

Siehe dazu auch die Diskussionen hier
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=665114
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=54336
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43619

D.h. Anwender die Hardware Skalierung (oder sogenannte YUV
Acceleration) haben möchten werden sie auf diesen Chips nicht
finden.

Erkennbar ist das u.a. an den Xvideo ports die xvinfo listet.
Auf meiner Ti4600 waren das z.B.

 Xvideo: video4linux: input video, ports 139-139
 Xvideo: NV17 Video Overlay: input image, ports 140-140
 Xvideo: NV17 Video Texture: input image, ports 141-141
 Xvideo: NV05 Video Blitter: input image, ports 142-173
 Xvideo: NVIDIA Video Interface Port: input video, ports 174-174

und auf dem 6600GT sind es nur noch

 Xvideo: video4linux: input video, ports 270-270
 Xvideo: NV17 Video Texture: input image, ports 271-271
 Xvideo: NV05 Video Blitter: input image, ports 272-303

Insbesondere ist der Video Overlay Port weggefallen.

Auch findet sich im XFree86.0.log folgende Zeile nicht mehr

 (II) NVIDIA(0): v4l[/dev/video0]: using hw video scaling [YUY2]

Wer also z.B. xawtv ohne schwarze Ränder im Xvideo Modus haben
will sollte daher von neuen Nvidia Karten absehen.

Gruss, Bruno.





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FYI: no video overlay support on recent Nvidia chips.

[Bruno Hertz]

For those interested, and since it's of importance e.g. for
xawtv users looking for hardware scaling:

at least on the 6600 chip, and presumably on all newer ones,
Nvidia has dropped the Xvideo overlay support available on
earlier chips. The 6800 chip should still be OK though, being
an older architecture (NV40 vs. NV41 for the 6600).

See also the discussions here
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=665114
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=54336
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43619

That is, users looking for video hardware scaling (or so
called YUV acceleration) won't find them on those chips.

This can be recognized e.g. by the ports xvinfo lists. On
my Ti4600 they were

 Xvideo: video4linux: input video, ports 139-139
 Xvideo: NV17 Video Overlay: input image, ports 140-140
 Xvideo: NV17 Video Texture: input image, ports 141-141
 Xvideo: NV05 Video Blitter: input image, ports 142-173
 Xvideo: NVIDIA Video Interface Port: input video, ports 174-174

and on the 6600GT the only left are

 Xvideo: video4linux: input video, ports 270-270
 Xvideo: NV17 Video Texture: input image, ports 271-271
 Xvideo: NV05 Video Blitter: input image, ports 272-303

Especially, the video overlay port is missing.

Also, the following line is now missing in XFree86.0.log:

 (II) NVIDIA(0): v4l[/dev/video0]: using hw video scaling [YUY2]

Consequently, users e.g. looking for xawtv to run in Xvideo mode
without black borders should avoid at least the 6600 chip resp.
corresponding cards.

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intel graphics driver - FYI

[Uwe Dippel]

Tried the Intel Graphics driver; i915Graphics.tar.gz; on a DELL D400; with
:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated 
Graphics Device (rev 02)
:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics 
Device (rev 02)

Not much success, though.
During install it pointed out that it would support 2.4-kernels only; but
went through.
After reboot, X didn't come up automatically any longer (I use kdm, no
idea why), but startx would do the trick.
glxgears *are* faster at around 340 fps compared to 220 fps of the
Debian-native-i810 driver.
ppracer however hoovered around 1 fps compared to 12 fps of the native
install. I couldn't find / insmod 830.
Since I am no X-expert and don't really need it, I tried the uninstall
part of the ./install in dripkg and it worked like a charm; bringing back
kdm at boot and the previous values for fps.

As the subject says: FYI

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Re: vmware 4.5.2 strangeness -FYI

[Thorsten Strusch]

Hi Mats,

mats schrieb:

hallo,
ich habe sarge und vmware 4.5.2. 

 [snip]

Dein Problem hatte ich auch, die Lösung wurde ja schon gepostet.

Wenn du dir die 4.5.2 nach Dezember gekauft hast, hast du Anspruch
auf ein kostenloses Update auf die 5er Version!

Da sind einige sehr interessante Features bei - speziell was cloning
und snapshots betrifft.

HTH
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[FYI] zeit.de

[Heino Tiedemann]

Keine Ahnung, 

ob das schon bekannt ist, aber www.zeit.de setzt
ein 'ZOPE-basiertes Redaktionssystem' auf debian ein. 

http://www.zeit.de/software/index

Schön zu hören.

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[klaus zerwes]

Heino Tiedemann schrieb:
Keine Ahnung, 


ob das schon bekannt ist, aber www.zeit.de setzt
ein 'ZOPE-basiertes Redaktionssystem' auf debian ein. 


http://www.zeit.de/software/index

Schön zu hören.


jope ;-)
Und fast noch schöner: das eingesetzte CMS ist unter der GPL verfügbar. 
Das nenne ich Konsequenz. We use GPL Software - we distribute GPL software.



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FYI: Mouse cursor problem due to wrong VideoRam value

[James Sinnamon]

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:34 pm, James Sinnamon wrote:
 Dear Mark and everyone else,
snip/
 However ...

 Cursor now gets blocked out with ugly black stripes
 --

 One problem, which is more than a little irritating, is that a
 pair of two groups of ugly black stripes, which look similar to
 barcodes, and which, together, occupy a rectangle 45 pixels across
 and 60 pixels high blocks out the mouse cursor, whenever it is
 located on an icon or a border region.  The top right corner of
 this region is located right on top of where the mouse cursor
  would be visible.  This happens for screens of 1280x1024, 800x600,
 but NOT 640x480.  On a 800x600 screen it has the appearance of a
 pair of bar codes.

 I was not able to capture these stripes with KSnapshot.  Has anyone
 had this problem?

I had incorrectly entered a VideoRAM value of 33008 (wrongly 
calculated in my head : 32 x 1024) instead of 32768 for the 
VideoRAM value of the Device section for the Matrox G550
Video Driver Card.

When I corrected this the ugly black stripes disappeared.

Apologies for any unnecessary concern.

regards,

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Fwd: Re: (fyi) pr 1254 (ssh not properly closing)

[Zenaan Harkness]

FYI, in follow up to my previous email:


-Forwarded Message- 
 Apparently this is known behaviour: the openssh faq lists it as such
 at http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.10.
 
 Damian, I recommend using the workaround mentioned in the faq.
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 03:13:42PM +1000, Garth Mollett wrote:
  fyi:
  
  After causing several bruises to my head (and gaining a much better
  understanding of the ssh/sshd internals), I've finnally figured whats going
  on, the bug isn't really in ssh/sshd as such but more in the way linux and
  solaris (bash?, although it happens with tcsh and pdksh, need to test futher,
  but I couldn't reproduce it on openbsd box (that only had bourne,korn and csh))
  handle things:
  
  when the shell forks() a background proccess, it inherits the file 
  descriptors from it's parrent attached to (the tty/pty) stdin/out/err 
  and they are never closed, so if the parent (the shell) exits, the backgrounded
  child still has the tty/pty open, so the sshd proccess won't get an eof from 
  the fd and  select() won't get woken up as the other end of the pipe is still 
  open (in the child). 
  
  Demo:
  
  $ ssh nestor
  [nestor:~]$ sleep 7249823 
  [1] 9838
  [nestor:~]$ exit
  logout
  
  connection hangs untill sleep exits
  
  --
  
  $ ssh nestor
  [nestor:~]$ cat test2.c
  #include sys/types.h
  #include unistd.h
  
  void
  main()
  {
  close(0);
  close(1);
  close(2);
  close(3);
  
  for (;;)
  sleep(22344);
  }
  
  [nestor:~]$ ./test2 
  [1] 9852
  [nestor:~]$ exit
  logout
  Connection to nestor closed.
  
  connection closes straight away
  
  Not sure if this is really a bug or a feature (as you can just explicitly
  kill the connection with the client), I'll reaserch it a little futher
  before I propose any possable solutions, at first I though if the child
  exits the connection should be dropped, but ssh isn't just used for running
  interactive shells and this could lead to unexpected results.
  
  I also though that this might be a way to snoop on other users, ie.
  you login start a background proccess and kill the connection, and the 
  background process can still still read/write to the tty, however linux
  at least won't give the tty to another user untill nothing has any connections
  to it anymore.


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RV: [Assl] Software libre en TVE2 FYI

[Jordi Valverde]

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Enviado el: jueves, 03 de junio de 2004 12:34
Para: assl
Asunto: [Assl] Software libre en TVE2

Estimados amigos

El próximo Domingo 6 de Junio a las 9:00 a.m en la 2º de TVE se emitirá un
programa sobre el software libre en el que saldrá partes de las
conferencias que impartío Richard STALLMAN en la facultad de informática
de la UPM los pasados 4 y 5 de Mayo.

Este programa ha sido realizado por la televión de la UNED que grabó por
completo las dos conferencias.

Mas información
http://www.rtve.es/tve/programo/avan2/tv2s0606.htm

La grabación completa de audio de las dos conferencias en formato libre
ogg, realizada por alumnos de esta facultad, están disponibles ya en la
página web
http://laurel.datsi.fi.upm.es/~fsanchez/rms/

Pronto estará también las grabaciones de video.

Por favor, difundir este mensaje entre quienes creais que puedan estar
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FYI: Debian on Dell servers

[Matthew Joyce]

I have been researching using a Dell poweredge server with debian, and
found some useful links I thought I'd share.

Dell's own Linux on Poweredge servers list
http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge

From that list I was put onto the following, by some pretty encouraging
posts.
http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/


Also of interest was a list of debian Installers...
http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html



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FYI: Branden's Response to DPL Platform Question

[Joel Konkle-Parker]

I asked Branden Robinson a question about his DPL platform, and got a 
pretty good response, so I thought I'd post it here.

Question:

While I am in no 'official' position to request this (I'm just a random 
interested user), I'd really appreciate you guys including some stuff 
about the current release cycle, the ongoing delays in releasing Sarge, 
and possible ideas on how to improve the situation in future releases.

Reply:

I do mention the issue in my platform, but I have no specific
recommendations to make at this time.  If elected, I will work with
Anthony Towns, Colin Watson, and Steve Langasek as best I can to
identify the problems they perceive, and collaboratively come up with
solutions.
There are several hard problems that work together to make releasing
Debian difficult.  Also, the rewrite of our installer technology has put
a unique load on this release cycle.
It's worth reviewing Anthony's mail to debian-devel-announce in
December, and Colin's last week, to get an idea of some of the
challenges they've had to face.  The fact that approximately 6% of our
archive fails to meet bare minimum expectations leads me to believe that
we may want to inaugurate a special process for orphaning such packages.
Feel free to repost this reply publicly.

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Re: FYI: Branden's Response to DPL Platform Question

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Joel Konkle-Parker:
 
 challenges they've had to face.  The fact that approximately 6% of our
 archive fails to meet bare minimum expectations leads me to believe that
 we may want to inaugurate a special process for orphaning such packages.

'Sounds to me like a job for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That might be a great way to draw in potential maintainers (hey, I'd
read it!), and with %96 good vs. %6 bad, the numbers are promising.


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Re: FYI: Branden's Response to DPL Platform Question

[Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka]

On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 22:11, s. keeling wrote:
--snip --
 That might be a great way to draw in potential maintainers (hey, I'd
 read it!), and with %96 good vs. %6 bad, the numbers are promising.
 ^^^
You mean from at least 102 % of Debian packages? -:))
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Re: FYI: Branden's Response to DPL Platform Question

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka:
 On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 22:11, s. keeling wrote:
  That might be a great way to draw in potential maintainers (hey, I'd
  read it!), and with %96 good vs. %6 bad, the numbers are promising.
  ^^^
 You mean from at least 102 % of Debian packages? -:))

Didn't anyone ever tell you that arithmetic flames are just above
spelling flames?  Argh!  :-)


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Re: FYI: Branden's Response to DPL Platform Question

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On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:11:27PM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
 Incoming from Joel Konkle-Parker:
  challenges they've had to face.  The fact that approximately 6% of our
  archive fails to meet bare minimum expectations leads me to believe that
  we may want to inaugurate a special process for orphaning such packages.
 
 'Sounds to me like a job for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 That might be a great way to draw in potential maintainers (hey, I'd
 read it!), and with %96 good vs. %6 bad, the numbers are promising.

More -qa, really, although a bit of both. Working on such broken
packages is most certainly an activity that does happen at the moment,
but could sometimes do with better organization.

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FYI, non-gl xscreensavers are CPU intensive too

[Nano Nano]

A few of the non-opengl xscreensavers are heat-generators as well -- 
e.g., XFlame.  Most are not.

I looked at /etc/cron*, nothing in there is going to generate much heat.

I'm going to file a bug against xscreensaver: it should be split into 
low-usage and high-usage packages.  I expect laptop users as well as 
overclockers would want to install only the low-usage ones.


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Re: info grub missing on testing / unstable - FYI

[Bill Marcum]

On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 11:37:33AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote:
 grub is somewhat particular and in order to use it successfully, you
 better know about its preferences.
 All this comes natively in info grub on (m)any distros, here are the core
 concepts:
 
The grub info file is found in the grub-doc package, which is separate
from the grub package, I believe for reasons related to the GNU Free 
Documentation License.

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Re: info grub missing on testing / unstable - FYI

[Uwe Dippel]

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:11:50 -0500, Bill Marcum wrote:

 The grub info file is found in the grub-doc package, which is separate
 from the grub package, I believe for reasons related to the GNU Free 
 Documentation License.

Thanks for the info ! It is there, works, everything !


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info grub missing on testing / unstable - FYI

[Uwe Dippel]

grub is somewhat particular and in order to use it successfully, you
better know about its preferences.
All this comes natively in info grub on (m)any distros, here are the core
concepts:

1. How to create a grub boot floppy:


# cd /usr/share/grub/i386-pc
# dd if=stage1 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
# dd if=stage2 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 seek=1
153+1 records in
153+1 records out
#


2. How to install grub (grub discourages the harddisk install as adopted
by debian, b.t.w.):

[Boot from that floppy and]

First, set the GRUB's root device(4) to the boot directory, like this:

grub root (hd0,0)

If you are not sure which partition actually holds these files, use the
command find [..] like this:

grub find /boot/grub/stage1

This will search for the file name `/boot/grub/stage1' [use '/grub/stage1'
in case of a separate boot partition] and show the devices which contain
the file.

Once you've set the root device correctly, run the command setup [..]:

grub setup (hd0)

This command will install GRUB on the MBR in the first drive. 
If you want to install GRUB into the boot sector of a partition instead of
the MBR, specify a partition into which you want to install GRUB:

grub setup (hd0,0)




http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_mono/grub.html
gives you all of grub's goodies !


There is a very nice Debian-splash screen available as background for
the grub menu:
http://debian.newswriter.org/



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Re: [FYI] Binäres XML - Verlust an direkter Lesbarkeit für den menschlichen Konsumenten.

[Jan Luehr]

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ja hallo erstmal,...

Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 23:40 schrieb Jan Luehr:
 ja hallo erstmal,...

 Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 21:49 schrieb Axel H Horns:
  http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Offices/Germany/Events/2003/membermeetin
  g.html#XML
 
  - CUT --
 
  [...]
 
  [Während einige sich von einer Binärfassung eine kompaktere
  Datendarstellung erhoffen, rücken andere einen vermeintlichen
  inhärenten Sicherungsaspekt, der durch den Verlust an direkter
  Lesbarkeit für den menschlichen Konsumenten begründet wird, in den
  Vordergrund. Oh mannoman. --AHH]
 
 
  Binäres XML - Fortsetzung oder Ende der REvolution?

 klassicher Fall von Sec-by-Obs. Einiges lernen is nie...


sorry, KMail ist wohl durchgeknallt. Hatte auf Antworten geklickt. Ignoriert 
es bitte einfach...

Keep smiling
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Re: [FYI] Binäres XML - Verlust an direkter Lesbarkeit für den menschlichen Konsumenten.

[Jan Luehr]

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ja hallo erstmal,... 
Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 21:49 schrieb Axel H Horns:
 http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Offices/Germany/Events/2003/membermeetin
 g.html#XML

 - CUT --

 [...]

 [Während einige sich von einer Binärfassung eine kompaktere
 Datendarstellung erhoffen, rücken andere einen vermeintlichen
 inhärenten Sicherungsaspekt, der durch den Verlust an direkter
 Lesbarkeit für den menschlichen Konsumenten begründet wird, in den
 Vordergrund. Oh mannoman. --AHH]


 Binäres XML - Fortsetzung oder Ende der REvolution?

klassicher Fall von Sec-by-Obs. Einiges lernen is nie...

Keep smiling
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Re: FYI: IBM DB2 installation on Woody

[John Stevenson]

I succeeded today in installing IBM DB2 7.1 on Debian Woody. Since I

have found many unanswered questions in the WWW I think that somebody
might be interested.
Regards
Holger
   

Are you going to provide us with any more details of what you did? 
Problems that you came accross and solved?  It would be appreciated.

Thanks
Johnny.
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FYI: IBM DB2 installation on Woody

[Holger Marzen]

I succeeded today in installing IBM DB2 7.1 on Debian Woody. Since I
have found many unanswered questions in the WWW I think that somebody
might be interested.

Regards
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Re: FYI: IBM DB2 installation on Woody

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 11:20, Holger Marzen wrote:
 I succeeded today in installing IBM DB2 7.1 on Debian Woody. Since I
 have found many unanswered questions in the WWW I think that somebody
 might be interested.

Could you write up a little HOWTO or lessons learned, and post
it here?

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was continuing while we were there, and I'm sure it continues, 
says Mr. Taylor, now head of the Washington 
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Re: FYI

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On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 07:33:38PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote:
 Well, you can't do that. And I can sign up again under a different identity
 and come to my own defense on these issues :-)

Looks like you're the one attempting harassment.  You know, you
*really* need to clean up your act before you start calling other
people for everything you do.

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FYI

[Alan Connor]

Just to let the bullies here who keep bouncing off me and just can't take
it, and who apparently have no ethics at all:

I post here under another identity and confine myself there to strictly
Debian matters.

I have no doubt that a few folks here will abuse their power and have
this identity banned from the list.

Well, you can't do that. And I can sign up again under a different identity
and come to my own defense on these issues :-)

No problem at all.

And thanks for teaching me that I have to killfile people from my personal
mailbox whom I killfile from Usenet. Shoulda thought of that earlier.

Alan

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Re: FYI

[Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl]

*please* grow up...


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Re: FYI

[Aaron]

On -1783-Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 07:33:38PM -0700, Alan Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake 
thus,
 
 Just to let the bullies here who keep bouncing off me and just can't take
 it, and who apparently have no ethics at all:
 
 I post here under another identity and confine myself there to strictly
 Debian matters.
 

I'm glad, because I can filter by this identity to find all the most
amusing rants. You'd fit in well at kuro5hin.org, where the MO is to
have seven accounts, each of which with its own unique personality, and
then argue with yourself on other's diary threads.

Have you argued with yourself? I wouldn't be surprised if you started
some of these CR debates among your own identities just to get the
pot boiling.

Also, yelling killfile! killfile! isn't the mark of a gentleman.
Verbose blacklisting is superfluous and generally considered to be an
attempt to start another fight. You're the guy on IRC with the script
that sends multicolored private messages to people that you put on
domain-level ignore. Keep it on IRC.

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Re: FYI

[Alex Malinovich]

On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 21:33, Alan Connor wrote:
 Just to let the bullies here who keep bouncing off me and just can't take
 it, and who apparently have no ethics at all:
 
 I post here under another identity and confine myself there to strictly
 Debian matters.
 
 I have no doubt that a few folks here will abuse their power and have
 this identity banned from the list.
 
 Well, you can't do that. And I can sign up again under a different identity
 and come to my own defense on these issues :-)
 
 No problem at all.
 
 And thanks for teaching me that I have to killfile people from my personal
 mailbox whom I killfile from Usenet. Shoulda thought of that earlier.

Just to get one thing straight from the beginning, I have no problem
with Alan nor anyone who has been participating in/getting sucked into
the recent flame-wars. I have not, and do not intend to start,
participating in the C-R thread or any of these other things.

My only request is that if people are going to killfile each other and
throw accusations and insults back and forth at each other, please do it
in private.

I have great respect for all of the members of this list, lurkers and
regulars alike, and that is not diminished in any way by recent events.
I'm just suggesting that personal arguments be taken elsewhere. Doing
things like that here is about as silly as coming here to argue with
your spouse. :)

p.s. I don't want anyone to think that I'm singling anyone out here,
specifically Alan. This just happened to be the most recent post that I
saw about this issue and was a convenient one to reply to.
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FYI REISERFS: still with problems

[Abdul Latip]

Hi,

Sometime ago, I wrote here about my problems with reiserfs.
Someone replied that it was possible that there is a problem
with my hardware.

However, since the problems happen randomly but fortunately
seldom on MANY different disk hardwares, I guess that it may
be more than just a hardware problem. Most of the problems
occurs on very large files.

Eg. 1: it happen once on a 650 MByte ISO file -- it went
   corrupt.
Eg. 2: it happen a couple of times when uncompressing bzip2
   megafiles. Bzip2 reports that the file is corrupted.
   But, it went OK after I rebooted the PC (Hey, is not
   this the Redmond[TM] way ? :)
Eg. 3: it has corrupted an INN archive TWICE on different servers.

Again, it happen very seldom and random, so that it is still
worth to use reiserfs for non critical mission applications.
BTW, I am using pentium IIIs dan IVs with debian kernel 
2.4.20-686

Any clue?



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FYI: gnome2.2, galeon, junkbuster

[M G Berberich]

Hallo,

nachdem ich gnome-2.2 installiert hatte, hat der neue galeon (mit
neuem mozilla) nicht mehr mit junkbuster zusammengearbeitet, Grund ist
ein neu hinzugekommene Konfigurationsoption des mozilla.

Junkbuster arbeitet nicht mit HTTP/1.0. Schon früher konnte man die
http-version zwischen 1.0 und 1.1 umstellen, jetzt geht dies aber für
proxy und ohne-proxy getrennt (galeon/mozilla/galeon/prefs.js)

  user_pref(network.http.version, 1.0);
  user_pref(network.http.proxy.version, 1.0);

galeon setzt offenbar nur network.http.version.

MfG
bmg

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Re: FYI: Linksys router vulnerability

[Craig Dickson]

Josh Rehman wrote:

 It's interesting, the advisory claims that this can be exploited even
 when remote admin is disabled. I tried to break my own router with their
 advice, but it didn't work. (Maybe a kind soul has already cracked my
 router and updated my firmware for me? :-)
 
 Presumably you can reset the password with this:
 http://192.168.1.1/Gozila.cgi?setPasswd=holaRemoteManagement=1.xml=1
 
 (replace the ip with the ip of your router's local interface) but this
 didn't do nuttin for me...
 
 That's good news. 
 
 I think.

If that worked from the LAN side, it would be bad but not catastrophic.
If that worked from the WAN side, it would be catastrophic.

Of course, even from the LAN side, if someone can get into your system
through a forwarded port (say, cracking your web or mail server, or
getting into a shell via ssh), then it trivially becomes remotely
exploitable.

Craig



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Re: FYI: Linksys router vulnerability

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 07:54:39AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
| Josh Rehman wrote:
| 
|  It's interesting, the advisory claims that this can be exploited even
|  when remote admin is disabled. I tried to break my own router with their
|  advice, but it didn't work. (Maybe a kind soul has already cracked my
|  router and updated my firmware for me? :-)
|  
|  Presumably you can reset the password with this:
|  http://192.168.1.1/Gozila.cgi?setPasswd=holaRemoteManagement=1.xml=1
|  
|  (replace the ip with the ip of your router's local interface) but this
|  didn't do nuttin for me...
|  
|  That's good news. 
|  
|  I think.
| 
| If that worked from the LAN side, it would be bad but not catastrophic.
| If that worked from the WAN side, it would be catastrophic.
| 
| Of course, even from the LAN side, if someone can get into your system
| through a forwarded port (say, cracking your web or mail server, or
| getting into a shell via ssh), then it trivially becomes remotely
| exploitable.

They don't even need to do that.  All that is needed is for you to
view a maliciously crafted HTML page.  If you don't have javascript
enabled then you would need to click on a link or submit a form as
well.

I just found out about the vulnerability yesterday.  My router is
debian on a 486, but I know some places that use Linksys devices.

-D

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Re: FYI: Linksys router vulnerability

[Craig Dickson]

Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:

 They don't even need to do that.  All that is needed is for you to
 view a maliciously crafted HTML page.  If you don't have javascript
 enabled then you would need to click on a link or submit a form as
 well.

Okay. So that's an argument for changing the router's address from the
default 192.168.1.1.

 I just found out about the vulnerability yesterday.

It first appeared on bugtraq on 18 Nov 2002. Whether that counts as
old news or not is a matter of opinion, I suppose.

Craig



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FYI: Linksys router vulnerability

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

While this isn't about debian, there are probably a good number of
debian users who have Linksys router devices on their home network.
Well, that router may be insecure :
http://www.corest.com/common/showdoc.php?idx=263idxseccion=10

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Re: FYI: Linksys router vulnerability

[Craig Dickson]

Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:

 While this isn't about debian, there are probably a good number of
 debian users who have Linksys router devices on their home network.
 Well, that router may be insecure :
 http://www.corest.com/common/showdoc.php?idx=263idxseccion=10

Old news, and these bugs are only remotely exploitable if you have
Remote Administration enabled. RA is turned off by default, and most
people have no reason to have ever turned it on.

Craig


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RE: FYI: Linksys router vulnerability

[Josh Rehman]

It's interesting, the advisory claims that this can be exploited even
when remote admin is disabled. I tried to break my own router with their
advice, but it didn't work. (Maybe a kind soul has already cracked my
router and updated my firmware for me? :-)

Presumably you can reset the password with this:
http://192.168.1.1/Gozila.cgi?setPasswd=holaRemoteManagement=1.xml=1

(replace the ip with the ip of your router's local interface) but this
didn't do nuttin for me...

That's good news. 

I think.
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Derrick 'dman' Hudson
 Subject: Re: FYI: Linksys router vulnerability
 
 Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
 
  While this isn't about debian, there are probably a good number of
  debian users who have Linksys router devices on their home network.
  Well, that router may be insecure :
  http://www.corest.com/common/showdoc.php?idx=263idxseccion=10
 
 Old news, and these bugs are only remotely exploitable if you have
 Remote Administration enabled. RA is turned off by default, and most
 people have no reason to have ever turned it on.
 
 Craig
 
 
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fyi: keysigning

[martin f krafft]

http://www.biglumber.com

it's similar to debian's feature of keeping a database who's willing
to sign keys in different places on this planet, but it's not-debian
specific. thought i'd share...

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FYI Cyrus IMAPd 2.1.3 CVS uploaded and installed into Debian unstable

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

You are receiving this email because you have contacted me about the Cyrus 2
packages. I apologise if I included any of you in the recipient list by
mistake, I had about 100 mails on Cyrus2 in my inbox...

Due to the unusual high number of people interested in this upload, Debian
Weekly News and Debian User are being bcc'ed as well.

Cyrus 2.1 has been installed in Debian. I will block the packages from
entering Woody because I feel they are not mature enough for Debian stable
yet.  They are working, though (as long as you get SASL2 to do what you want,
that is).


Changes: cyrus21-imapd (2.1.3CVS20020403-1) unstable; urgency=low
  * New CVS source, fixes a few bad bugs in sieve and lmtp
  * Improve ext3 handling in cyrus-makedirs, now request journaled data since
that improves performance a lot. Your ext3 spool partitions should have a
large journal, btw.
  * Make sure to tag the vendor string with Debian (unstable). It will
change to something else when I start thinking of this package as a
more stable 'for production use' (i.e. not tracking CVS blindly)
  * Move imtest and pop3test to a new cyrus21-clients package, as requested
by GNUS users.  Also move them from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin since they are
apparently to be regarded as regular user tools...

Changes: cyrus21-imapd (2.1.3CVS20020331-1) unstable; urgency=low
  * Initial Debian Release, codenamed The Higgs Bogons Are Out There, based
on the cyrus-imapd packaging by Michael-John Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
work done by David Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thanks to David D. Kilzer
for help with libcom-err, finding missing build dependencies, and lots of
testing and suggestions, especially the upgrade from old cyrus packages
guide.
  * THERE IS NO AUTOMATED UPGRADE PATH FROM THE OLD CYRUS 1.5 PACKAGE.
Read the upstream docs for the manual upgrade procedure, and the
Debian upgrade docs in /usr/share/doc/cyrus21-common/.
  * Initial set of changes to upstream:
 - Use non-ancient config.sub, config.guess and others
 - Log to MAIL facility, instead of LOCAL6, LOCAL7
 - Rename reconstruct, master, deliver, quota to cyrreconstruct,
   cyrmaster, cyrdeliver, cyrquota (to avoid namespace polution)
 - Fix annoying minor bugs (sent upstream)
 - Move all files that must not be run directly to /usr/lib/cyrus (such
   as imapd, pop3d, lmtpd, timsieved)
 - daemonized cyrmaster, added proper pidfile cron-style locking
  * Removed semi-broken INN support. If someone is willing to install it, test
and help packaging it properly, it will be readded to the package.
  * Tracking CVS until we reach 2.1.4. Breakage may occur.

-- 
  One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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[Gary Turner]

Today, I received at least 3 pieces from the list that look as if the
headers got mangled along the way.  I include them without the usual
quote indicators so that you can see them raw.  I will quote my
comments.

I still have 146 pieces to go, so I don't know how many more, if any,
there are like this.

As you will see, it looks like there was a mix and match thing going on,
and match lost.

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FYI: Installing the Intel C++ compiler on Debian SID

[Douglas Eck]

Hello All,

I wanted to play around with the free (as in beer) Intel C++ compiler.
It was a bit of work to get it going on Sid. I thought I'd post
my experiences to debian-user. These instructions might be invalid
in a week. I'm not a glibc pro so I can't say

PS Please don't flame me about using the Intel compiler. I'm not
advocating it, and I think the GNU compiler is great. I just
wanted to play around with it.

Anyway, here goes.

1) Go to http://www.intel.com/software/products/compilers/c50/linux/
and create a Premier Support Account. It's free.

2) Log in.

3) Download the latest version of the compiler
for RedHat 7.1 As of the writing of this email, the file is
cc_rh71_020201.tar.

4) Download the file LinuxOtherOSSupport5_0_1.tar.

5) Untar cc_rh71_020201.tar

6) Run alien --to-tgz on all .rpms  (making .debs failed for me)

7) Run tar -xzf on all resulting .tgz files.
This yields an /opt directory

8) The install is self-contained and you can put it where you want (that is,
it writes nothing to system dirs like /usr/include. I like /usr/local for stuff
like this (when there is no .deb file) so I did this:

cp -a opt/intel /usr/local

9) Edit /usr/local/intel/compiler50/ia32/bin/iccvars.sh and iccvars.csh, 
replacing
INSTALLDIR with /usr/local/intel. I don't have a 64 bit machine so I ignored
the ia64 directory.

10)Untar LinuxOtherOSSupport_5_0_1.tar

11) Follow the instructions in LinuxOtherOSSupport5_0_1.htm for installing the 
replacement
libs.

12) Do *not* (stress *not*) install the new substitute_header files... only the 
new libs.
This differs from the instructions for SuSE or Caldera.

All done. As far as I can tell, this works great.

Cheers,
Doug
--
Dr. Douglas Eck, http://www.idsia.ch/~doug
Istituto Dalle Molle di Studi sull'Intelligenza Artificiale (IDSIA)
Neural Networks, Rhythm Perception and Production, Dynamical Systems

FYI: 2.4.19pre1 good for Yamaha opl3sax soundcards

[DvB]

I couldn't help but notice the opl3sa2 update in the changelog for
2.4.19pre1 and decided to try it out. I'm pleased to report that, after
getting rid of my manual config info in modules.conf, the card is
detected and the driver loaded without any trouble... sounds better,
too :-)

FYI: RFC-822 is obsolete

[Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim]

 I'd suggest a massive response (that is, many people, not one person
 replying many times) to the postmaster address, or other WHOIS contacts
 listed if postmaster is invalid (an RFC 822 violation, FWIW).

FYI,

- RFC-822 has been replaced with RFC-2822 (Internet Message 
  Format) http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt
- See also RFC-2142 (MAILBOX NAMES FOR COMMON SERVICES, 
  ROLES AND FUNCTIONS), for suggested names like 
  info, marketing, sales, support, abuse, noc,
  security, postmaster, hostmaster, et. al.
  http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2142.txt
- See also RFC-3013 (Recommended Internet Service Provider 
  Security Services and Procedures) 
  http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3013.txt

regards,

-- 
Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim - VLSM-TJT - http://rms46.vlsm.org
PMPO net user count:  Pathetic Meaningless Pillory Outcome

fyi: howto set up bind chroot()ed on debian

[Robert Waldner]

Hi!

This is what I had to do to get bind chroot()ed on my debian (mostly) 
 stable box, maybe it´ll be useful for others.

This is as is, your setup might differ, expect troubles, yadda, yadda.

mkdir /var/local/bind
mkdir /var/local/bind/etc
mkdir /var/local/bind/etc/bind
(cd /etc/bind; tar cv *) | (cd /var/local/bind/etc/bind; tar xv)
mkdir /var/local/bind/var
mkdir /var/local/bind/var/run
mkdir /var/local/bind/var/cache
mkdir /var/local/bind/var/cache/bind
mkdir /var/local/bind/usr
mkdir /var/local/bind/usr/sbin
mkdir /var/local/bind/lib
cp /usr/sbin/named-xfer !$/
cp /lib/libc.so.6 !$
cp /lib/ld-linux.so.2 !$
mkdir /var/local/bin/dev
cd !$
mknod null c 1 3

named.conf changes, only thing for me to do was logging, since there is 
 no syslogging out of the chroot:
.-.-.
logging { channel logdefault { severity info;
   file /named.log;
 };
  category default  { logdefault; };
  category config   { logdefault; };
  category panic{ logdefault; };
  category update   { logdefault; };
  category xfer-in  { logdefault; };
  category xfer-out { logdefault; };
  category notify   { logdefault; };
  category security { logdefault; };
  category insist   { logdefault; };
  category load { logdefault; };
  category response-checks  { null; };
  category maintenance  { null; };
  category os   { null; };
  category cname{ null; };
  category packet   { null; };
  category eventlib { null; };
  category db   { null; };
  category ncache   { null; };
  category parser   { null; };
  category queries  { null; };
  category lame-servers { null; };
  category statistics   { null; };
};
.-.-.

/etc/init.d/bind changes, taking the easy way:
.-.-.
...
start)
echo -n Starting domain name service: named
/usr/sbin/named -t /var/local/bind/
...
stop)
echo -n Stopping domain name service: named
killall /usr/sbin/named || killall -9 /usr/sbin/named
...
restart)
sh $0 stop
sh $0 start
;;

reload)
sh $0 restart
;;

force-reload)
sh $0 restart
.-.-.

If you spot errors, please let me know.

cheers,
rw
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-- you can do it alone and no one is going to make fun of you.
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Re: FYI

[Jordi S . Bunster]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 08:59:39PM -0400, Jeff Reed wrote:

 i'm enjoying it immenseley.

We all do ... every single day. :)

 -- Jordi

FYI

[Jeff Reed]

just wanted to give a BIG shout out to the Debian folks...the code 
monkeys, the QA peeps, EVERYONE.

Debian is SO nice and VERY solid.

i'm enjoying it immenseley.

god job. good work. more power to yayou rock, you kick 
arse, you are da bomb, you rock my linux world, you make everything 
happy.

my story is one of success...it has to do with simple home networking 
and DSL. much fun.

email me if ya wanna know about hookin' up an ADSL connection to share 
with your whole house using Debian/ADSL.

gd stuff. happy day.

blah blah blah.

-- 

//--  Jeff Reed
//--  Metro West Boston Linux User Group
//--  Co-founder / Odd (Job) Guy
//--  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

//--  http://www.linuxbusca.com/
//--  http://www.blu.org/
//--  http://www.wlug.org/

Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions 
and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch 
to an 8 bit operating system originally 
coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written 
by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 
bit of competition!

Re: FYI : LINUX Users Tutorial and Exposition

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

Yes, I noted that license too. Esp since it's the first page you see. The 
site however looks like a real solid collection of data - it's now bookmarked 
:)

tatah

On Wednesday 06 June 2001 16:36, Cameron Matheson wrote:
 Sadistic license tho, why can't I make a hard copy?

 Cameron Matheson

 On 06 Jun 2001 15:34:19 -0500, will trillich wrote:
  On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 06:17:59AM +0200, Lambrecht, Joris wrote:
   To those who are looking for some tutorial-reference-resource on the
   Linux Operating System, have a look at ...
  
http://rute.sourceforge.net
LINUX Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition.url
 
-- 

Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls/TELE: USA-707-442-6579\/A GNU-Debian linux user
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls ICQ: 12741145
If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. SHOUT JUST FOR FUN.
Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom!

Re: FYI : LINUX Users Tutorial and Exposition

[Peter S Galbraith]

I thought the project had to be free to be hosted by SF?
This is clearly non-free...

Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:

 Yes, I noted that license too. Esp since it's the first page you see. The 
 site however looks like a real solid collection of data - it's now bookmarked
  
 :)
 
 tatah
 
 On Wednesday 06 June 2001 16:36, Cameron Matheson wrote:
  Sadistic license tho, why can't I make a hard copy?
 
  Cameron Matheson
 
  On 06 Jun 2001 15:34:19 -0500, will trillich wrote:
   On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 06:17:59AM +0200, Lambrecht, Joris wrote:
To those who are looking for some tutorial-reference-resource on the
Linux Operating System, have a look at ...
   
 http://rute.sourceforge.net
 LINUX Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition.url
  
 -- 
 
 Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls/TELE: USA-707-442-6579\/A GNU-Debian linux user
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls ICQ: 12741145
 If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. SHOUT JUST FOR FUN.
 Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom!
 
 
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Re: FYI : LINUX Users Tutorial and Exposition

[Bud Rogers]

On Wednesday 06 June 2001 15:34, will trillich wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 06:17:59AM +0200, Lambrecht, Joris wrote:
  To those who are looking for some tutorial-reference-resource on the
  Linux Operating System, have a look at ...
 
   http://rute.sourceforge.net
   LINUX Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition.url

 okay, what the heck does RUTE stand for? :)

 awesome project, by the way. nice job!

Looks like another one of those recursive acronyms like GNU's Not Unix... 

-- 
Bud Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.sirinet.net/~budr
All things in moderation.  And not too much moderation either.