Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 07:18:27PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote:
 On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
 
 On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
 
  2.  To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so
  quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader.
 
 Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer.
 
 See what I mean
 
 Convenently left out is I would be maintaining packages, as well writing a 
 new 
 system package, if I was allowed to. I was also going to open a crypto 
 mirror, but 
 Bruce made it clear it to would not be recognized.

Because it is not legal, not because of you.


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Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Britton

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 07:18:27PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote:
  On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
  
  On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
  
   2.  To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so
   quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader.
  
  Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer.
  
  See what I mean
  
  Convenently left out is I would be maintaining packages, as well writing a 
  new 
  system package, if I was allowed to. I was also going to open a crypto 
  mirror, but 
  Bruce made it clear it to would not be recognized.
 
 Because it is not legal, not because of you.

Actually, the first test case has already been won, and I doubt there will
be a second, especially since the technology can alredy be had from many
international sites :)

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Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Actually, the first test case has already been won, and I doubt there will
 be a second

The first test case was not sufficiently general. There must be more of
them to overturn the law.

Thanks

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Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:

 2.  To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so
 quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader.

Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer. He does not
maintain a package and never did. He does work on a router project that uses
debian as a basis, and he did contribute to debian-user, asking questions of
other users.

But he is not official involved in Debian, if there isn't something I
don't know.

 As a user, I must laugh at some of the criticisms.  Spelling mistakes?
 Use of initials instead of the full name?  These are reasons for ignoring
 a complaint?  It is scary to find out that this type of group can decide
 who becomes a developer for debian and who doesn't.

It seems to me that you missed the long thread on debian-devel a while ago,
where dave has used uglier things than common four letter words to express
his opinion :( I can post you this thread, it is only slightly larger than
one megabyte...
 
 I should mention that this is not the first time there was disagreement in
 the Debian project.  I remember in the beginning that Bruce and RMS also
 had a disagreement.  Fortunately, that was resolved.  I hope this one gets
 resolved as well.  Unlike others, I do see some problems with the
 distribution and improvements can be made.  Dave, I don't know what kind

I use Debian since a year only, but I think the disagreement between the FSF
and Debian is in no way comparable to the rantings of dc.

 of contributions you make to debian.  But if it is in the dpkg program,
 then I hope you can continue to improve it.  If you do branch off into
 another distribution (great, yet another distribution), then dpkg is the
 first program you should improve.

As I stated above, dc is not a debian developer, and I doubt that he can
improve dpkg. As Ian(?) stated a while ago, everyone who has a small idea of
the way dpkg works, disappears from this world :)

For dpkg: Bruce is pretty sure that all distributions will use ANSI packages
soon.

Thank you,
Marcus


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Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:

On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:

 2.  To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so
 quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader.

Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer.

See what I mean

Convenently left out is I would be maintaining packages, as well writing a new 
system package, if I was allowed to. I was also going to open a crypto mirror, 
but 
Bruce made it clear it to would not be recognized.

It seems to me that you missed the long thread on debian-devel a while ago,
where dave has used uglier things than common four letter words to express
his opinion :( I can post you this thread, it is only slightly larger than
one megabyte...

Where the same lynching immedatly began, and I made the mistake of responding 
too. Many of the same people, including Marcus, started the fireworks back then 
as 
well.
 



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