Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
> On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Erv Walter wrote: > > > [...] > > Let me clairfy. non-free contains packages that have some sort of > restriction either on use or on distribution or on modification. Not > all of the packages in non-free can be put on the Official CD although > some of them can. debian-cd leaves out non-free completely from the > Official CD because it (aparently) was easier than manualloy deciding > which packages to include and which packages not to include. Wouldn't it be nice to split up non-free in, say, a non-free and a non-dist directory? Then you could put in non-free all packages that have restrictions but could be distributed with debian releases, and in non-dist you would put packages that cannot be distributed with debian releases. Then the package maintainers can decide where a package belongs, and CD-pressers don't need to check out each package in non-free themselves. Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > > Is there anything excluded from bo or contrib on the Official Debian CD? > > No. > > > I hope so, because I use a lot of it for my (commercial) operations. > > We intend them to be OK for this. Good. That means things haven't changed since I first viewed the readme files and switched to Debian. I (and probably many of us) have likely used restricted software unwittingly in our work and thus violated the terms and conditions of usage. I noticed early on that whenever someone thought a Debian package should be moved to/from non-free it was discussed in this list. Another reason Debian is the best Linux. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the free SCO limited to personal use? I check the restrictions on anything in non-free before I use it. I don't want my equipment confiscated - something that could really happen to the business that runs on unlicensed software. > > Although I provide a free LDP mirror at wtop.com, I haven't included it on > > CD because I am not sure if I can. > > I don't know the LDP's licensing policy, but I think the HOWTOS and stuff > are in a Debian package. They are. If they aren't in the dwww menu, they should be. I really mentioned LDP as an example. I mirror it because the maintainer made it clear I may do so and provided a username/password for the master ftp site. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
( I took out all the extra cc's on this thread. You're welcome. ) On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > Be very careful here. You have made the common blunder when thinking about > non-free. It has absolutely nothing to do with money! The fact that you > are not intending to sell the CD does not mean that you are not liable for > infringing a copyright. The reason these packages are in this directory is > because they have distribution restrictions. These restrictions may > include media restrictions, distribution with other types of software > restrictions, etc... In fact the most dangerous packages in non-free are > the ones without any copyright notice at all. Under copyright law these > packages are assumed to have THE most restrictive copyright possible, > and unless you have the expressed permission of the author you may be open > to suit for copyright infringement if you include them on your "cost free" > CD. I will look again. I can't seem to find the ones that are OK to put up for anonymous ftp at multiple mirrors, but can't be placed on other media for free. Some of the mirror sites are commercial organizations, so any license that is restricted to educational and non-profit organizations is violated by that. If you read the Netscape license, you will see that all you have to do is start a 'religious organization' and you can provide it to your 'members'. I think that rather than start a phony church or school, it is better to try to follow the intentions of the author. I am willing to actually lose money because some people were very concerned that Infomagic, Walnut Creek CD-ROM and others would get rich from the work of the poor. They have a valid point, especially when it comes to CD-ROM's included with magazines and books. Many of the publications are a total waste of paper. The 'free' software makes it sell and the authors want a small royalty for that. I suppose that if there really was a big problem here, there wouldn't be any complete mirrors of ftp.debian.org because you would need a lawyer to configure your mirror software. If that's the case, it would be better to delete anything from non-free that can't be freely mirrored now. Nobody wants to provide a mirror with such complications and nobody wants to use a partial mirror for upgrades/installs. Try advising mirror sites to check all the copyrights before mirroring and debian.org will need a T-3 because there won't be anymore mirrors. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I understand that you can't make guarantees and put SPI in a position of > potential liability. Right. > Is there anything excluded from bo or contrib on the Official Debian CD? No. > Is everything in main and contrib under GPL? There are a variety of licenses - GPL, BSD, Artistic, and roll-your-own. However, they all meet our standards for free software, to the best of our knowledge, so they should not be a problem for your commercial operations and for sales. > I hope so, because I use a lot of it for my (commercial) operations. We intend them to be OK for this. > Although I provide a free LDP mirror at wtop.com, I haven't included it on > CD because I am not sure if I can. I don't know the LDP's licensing policy, but I think the HOWTOS and stuff are in a Debian package. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Paul Wade wrote: > Re: stupid non-free restrictions > > Is there anything in non-free that can't be given away? If you buy a CD-R > from me, I can put the non-free software on it. Why? Because I will put it > on a CD-R that you don't buy from me at no charge. The CD-ROM vendors > can't do that with their media. Of course, I expect a postpaid, > preaddressed mailer with the blank CD-R, but I don't charge for labor, > electricity and machine usage. If there is anything in non-free that can't > be copied onto media at no charge, then it probably should be in a new > directory called do_not_mirror at the ftp site. > Be very careful here. You have made the common blunder when thinking about non-free. It has absolutely nothing to do with money! The fact that you are not intending to sell the CD does not mean that you are not liable for infringing a copyright. The reason these packages are in this directory is because they have distribution restrictions. These restrictions may include media restrictions, distribution with other types of software restrictions, etc... In fact the most dangerous packages in non-free are the ones without any copyright notice at all. Under copyright law these packages are assumed to have THE most restrictive copyright possible, and unless you have the expressed permission of the author you may be open to suit for copyright infringement if you include them on your "cost free" CD. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Re: stupid non-free restrictions > > > > Is there anything in non-free that can't be given away? > > I'd suggest you read the licenses in there really carefully. We don't > make any guarantees about the way we have interpreted the software > licenses, _even_for_programs_in_the_main_distribution_. Someone could > pop up after you burn 1000 CDs and say that a certain package is non-free. I understand that you can't make guarantees and put SPI in a position of potential liability. Is there anything excluded from bo or contrib on the Official Debian CD? Someone could pop up and claim that UNC, MIT, Georgia Tech, Debian, and Greenbush owe royalties plus damages for each copy we have given away. I try to read everything I can about the contents. I even have read about installing on machines I don't have (alpha, etc.) in case someone asks about them. Is everything in main and contrib under GPL? I hope so, because I use a lot of it for my (commercial) operations. I have included an advisory on the CD to check usage and redistribution restrictions on anything from non-free. I have avoided using some packages in my own business. The license said it was basically free for personal use, but didn't give any prices, email address, or website for commercial use. I decided it was easier to use an alternative package than to write and mail a letter. I suppose I could include commercial demos, but I think people would rather have the disk filled out with stuff from hamm and 2.1.x kernel source. Although I provide a free LDP mirror at wtop.com, I haven't included it on CD because I am not sure if I can. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Re: stupid non-free restrictions > > Is there anything in non-free that can't be given away? I'd suggest you read the licenses in there really carefully. We don't make any guarantees about the way we have interpreted the software licenses, _even_for_programs_in_the_main_distribution_. Someone could pop up after you burn 1000 CDs and say that a certain package is non-free. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
Re: Book I don't think there is enough demand to warrant publishing a Debian book on paper yet. If such a document existed on other media, I (and quite a few others) wouldn't mind using some supplies to print out, punch, and bind a copy. I prefer documentation that can be updated by easily replacing pages in a binder. Paperbacks are OK for Windows 95 because it doesn't get the (needed) changes very often. I think the book project people should make sure that everything can be easily printed on paper that will be punched and include the necessary programs/scripts to print it. You should be able to easily print pages or sections and toc/index as needed. The Debian organization should sell really cool looking binders to raise money. I want the first one for suggesting it. I also want a Debian mug to drink coffee from while I read from my official Debian binder. Re: stupid non-free restrictions Is there anything in non-free that can't be given away? If you buy a CD-R from me, I can put the non-free software on it. Why? Because I will put it on a CD-R that you don't buy from me at no charge. The CD-ROM vendors can't do that with their media. Of course, I expect a postpaid, preaddressed mailer with the blank CD-R, but I don't charge for labor, electricity and machine usage. If there is anything in non-free that can't be copied onto media at no charge, then it probably should be in a new directory called do_not_mirror at the ftp site. BTW - If I ever make enough money, I will press a bunch of CD-ROM's full of stuff with these 'you can't even make $1/hour' restrictions and just give them out. On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Erv Walter wrote: > Let me clairfy. non-free contains packages that have some sort of > restriction either on use or on distribution or on modification. Not > all of the packages in non-free can be put on the Official CD although > some of them can. debian-cd leaves out non-free completely from the > Official CD because it (aparently) was easier than manualloy deciding > which packages to include and which packages not to include. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Erv Walter wrote: > > > Will they include all the .deb packages? or just a selected few as they > > currently do. I hope they include all the stuff one finds at master in > > stable, non-free, etc. I don't have a fast connection from home so I > > prefer to download as little stuff as possible > > > > I have a copy of the Offical CD for 1.3.0. It includes everything on > master for 1.3.0 in main and contrib, but not non-free. non-free is > called non-free because the packages in there have restrictions on > distribution via CD etc. > Let me clairfy. non-free contains packages that have some sort of restriction either on use or on distribution or on modification. Not all of the packages in non-free can be put on the Official CD although some of them can. debian-cd leaves out non-free completely from the Official CD because it (aparently) was easier than manualloy deciding which packages to include and which packages not to include. Erv - -- PGP Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: A5 AB 25 7D 7A FD 4D FE BE 21 47 60 0C DC 67 9E ==-- _ / / \ ---==---(_)__ __ __/ / /\ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / / /_/\ \ \- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ /__\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] \_\/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6WIW7kbWT/F2aV1AQHhegP/Ur1dvEEz8NRxlrfigur9nSpdGfoK/sSs ymYTWGUzocHw81pgih7PhCDcO1exnCrLDGnNLTglVMshQGj6pDpbBeANAqXzaFbS MSxCy/GNOVUgG3sOfG5kDMa1V/M1UfreeXVeSLDJOg+ZDDZ0F3i2KSQAHdPVJEk0 F18V8PcRx18= =Jpo5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Daniel J. Mashao wrote: > Will they include all the .deb packages? or just a selected few as they > currently do. I hope they include all the stuff one finds at master in > stable, non-free, etc. I don't have a fast connection from home so I > prefer to download as little stuff as possible > I have a copy of the Offical CD for 1.3.0. It includes everything on master for 1.3.0 in main and contrib, but not non-free. non-free is called non-free because the packages in there have restrictions on distribution via CD etc. The Official CD for 1.3.1 will be the same way. The Official CD is made with the debian-cd package that simply creates 2 CDs (binary and source) from a mirror of master. It leaves out non-free. Good Luck, Erv - -- PGP Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: A5 AB 25 7D 7A FD 4D FE BE 21 47 60 0C DC 67 9E ==-- _ / / \ ---==---(_)__ __ __/ / /\ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / / /_/\ \ \- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ /__\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] \_\/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6WG1bkbWT/F2aV1AQEkQwP/XAw3xb0I6MLqKYy+YFMgGQgE7ZWN5VNE ReLO/N6oJmF6cjBSjo2IRJpTl603Ys1qPdfa8I5TU9xZKia0jVP3q9lTEfbaU3+C 4mgrL3ZeO5RVNFMmFCiQWY51EMvFN7qWmiiUOATU1rkdS6QPpXPAzlOdFC5NKaao xPGvsEYbIcI= =Kyce -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > All of the cheap CD outlets will soon be selling the "Official CD" at > very good prices (lunch money, and I mean McDonalds). I'd suggest you > get the book separately from the CD. From: "Daniel J. Mashao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Will they include all the .deb packages? or just a selected few as they > currently do. I hope they include all the stuff one finds at master in > stable, non-free, etc. I don't have a fast connection from home so I > prefer to download as little stuff as possible They will include the main distribution and "contrib", but not "non-free". The disc is meant for anyone to duplicate and sell, and the licenses of the programs in non-free would not work for that. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Bob Nielsen wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Daniel J. Mashao wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > > All of the cheap CD outlets will soon be selling the "Official CD" at > > > very good prices (lunch money, and I mean McDonalds). I'd suggest you > > > get the book separately from the CD. > > Will they include all the .deb packages? or just a selected few as they > > currently do. I hope they include all the stuff one finds at master in > > stable, non-free, etc. I don't have a fast connection from home so I > > prefer to download as little stuff as possible > > I doubt that any CDs will include non-free, as usually the stuff in that > directory is there because there is a restriction on distribution. > Actually there are quite a few packages in non-free that are ok for distribution. I include about 20 on the CD that I distribute. Many of the restrictions that make a package non-free (such as "can't be distributed with proprietary software) don't apply to a CD distribution of the "free" portion of the Debian distribution. Care must be taken, but once it is determined to be ok for CD it is certainly safe for the end user. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Daniel J. Mashao wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > All of the cheap CD outlets will soon be selling the "Official CD" at > > very good prices (lunch money, and I mean McDonalds). I'd suggest you > > get the book separately from the CD. > Will they include all the .deb packages? or just a selected few as they > currently do. I hope they include all the stuff one finds at master in > stable, non-free, etc. I don't have a fast connection from home so I > prefer to download as little stuff as possible I doubt that any CDs will include non-free, as usually the stuff in that directory is there because there is a restriction on distribution. Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AX.25:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > All of the cheap CD outlets will soon be selling the "Official CD" at > very good prices (lunch money, and I mean McDonalds). I'd suggest you > get the book separately from the CD. Will they include all the .deb packages? or just a selected few as they currently do. I hope they include all the stuff one finds at master in stable, non-free, etc. I don't have a fast connection from home so I prefer to download as little stuff as possible > > Bruce > -- > Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 > Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. > PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > ~~~ D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
Anyone know if there is a "Linux Unleashed" book/CD available for Debian 1.3? I'm trying to find a place to get a CD at a decent price, but so far the really cheap places(CheapBytes, Tri-Linux) seem to have problems with their cut. I am now considering PHT or InfoMagic, but if I can get a book AND CD for about the same price or a little more then I'll do that. Anyone got recommendations? TIA, --- Mike Shaw ESN: 294-2731 VOICE: +1 (919) 991-2731 Nortel Technology FAX: +1 (919) 991-8477 Software Development Environment Support INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Davis Drive Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3478 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
I have yet to see any books on the market that do more than mention Debian. That is why I am working on the Debian Book Project. I am still in the begining stages now but I am hoping early next year .. or arround the Debian 2.0 release to have the book published. I have had offers from at least 4 peole as well that want to convert it into other languages. (5 total right now) You can get more on the DBP at http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Debian/ Chad On 13 Jun 1997, Michael Shaw wrote: > Anyone know if there is a "Linux Unleashed" book/CD available for Debian 1.3? > > I'm trying to find a place to get a CD at a decent price, but so far the > really > cheap places(CheapBytes, Tri-Linux) seem to have problems with their cut. I > am now considering PHT or InfoMagic, but if I can get a book AND CD for about > the same price or a little more then I'll do that. > > Anyone got recommendations? > > TIA, > > > --- > Mike Shaw ESN: 294-2731 VOICE: +1 (919) 991-2731 > Nortel Technology FAX: +1 (919) 991-8477 > Software Development Environment Support INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 35 Davis Drive Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3478 USA > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
By the time the major book publishers come out with a book/CD combination, Debian will be up to 1.4 or later, lead time On 13 Jun 1997, Michael Shaw wrote: > Anyone know if there is a "Linux Unleashed" book/CD available for Debian 1.3? > > I'm trying to find a place to get a CD at a decent price, but so far the > really > cheap places(CheapBytes, Tri-Linux) seem to have problems with their cut. I > am now considering PHT or InfoMagic, but if I can get a book AND CD for about > the same price or a little more then I'll do that. > > Anyone got recommendations? > > TIA, > > > --- > Mike Shaw ESN: 294-2731 VOICE: +1 (919) 991-2731 > Nortel Technology FAX: +1 (919) 991-8477 > Software Development Environment Support INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 35 Davis Drive Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3478 USA > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > > Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AX.25:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a Debian 1.3 "Unleashed" available?
All of the cheap CD outlets will soon be selling the "Official CD" at very good prices (lunch money, and I mean McDonalds). I'd suggest you get the book separately from the CD. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
