Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:58:01PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > wrote: [avoiding pulseaudio...] > > [1] in spite of stubborn applications: firefox, I'm looking at you. > > Using apulse solves that for me for now :) You got it :) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 8:25 AM wrote: > > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 09:20:47PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: > > [...] > > > Also i'm using old things such as old smartphone(s) made by LG, and old > > book <>, and old Tractor > > (my day job is farmer in South Korea). > > Farmers are the most important people: they feed us. A close second: cooks. Truckers get my vote for second. Jeff
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 02:04:01PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de (12023-05-30): > > > > > Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under > > > > > Wayland. So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, > > > > > IMHO. > > > I'm still hoping I give up on computers before that happens ;-) > > > > The most likely is that Freedesktop will introduce something that > > obsoletes Wayland and something that obsoletes that thing that > > obsoletes Wayland before the move to Wayland is complete. > > I think that's called "leapfrogging". Having successfully avoided > pulseaudio up to now [1], I'm seriously looking into pipewire... You're braver than I am. Let me/us know how it goes. > Cheers > > [1] in spite of stubborn applications: firefox, I'm looking at you. Using apulse solves that for me for now :)
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 09:20:47PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: [...] > Also i'm using old things such as old smartphone(s) made by LG, and old > book <>, and old Tractor > (my day job is farmer in South Korea). Farmers are the most important people: they feed us. A close second: cooks. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 02:04:01PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de (12023-05-30): > > > > Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. > > > > So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO. > > I'm still hoping I give up on computers before that happens ;-) > > The most likely is that Freedesktop will introduce something that > obsoletes Wayland and something that obsoletes that thing that obsoletes > Wayland before the move to Wayland is complete. I think that's called "leapfrogging". Having successfully avoided pulseaudio up to now [1], I'm seriously looking into pipewire... Cheers [1] in spite of stubborn applications: firefox, I'm looking at you. -- tomás signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes: > Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: >> > (...) >> > I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland >> > desktop environment. I don't like it. (...) >> >> Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. >> So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO. > > It won't be for a considerable time yet, if at all, so there's no need > to opt for the pain now if he doesn't want. > Thanks! You are right. Also i'm using old things such as old smartphone(s) made by LG, and old book <>, and old Tractor (my day job is farmer in South Korea). By the way, really i like Gnome Desktop ^^^ Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-05-30): > > > Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. > > > So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO. > I'm still hoping I give up on computers before that happens ;-) The most likely is that Freedesktop will introduce something that obsoletes Wayland and something that obsoletes that thing that obsoletes Wayland before the move to Wayland is complete. Regards, -- Nicolas George
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:42:12PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: > > > (...) > > > I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland > > > desktop environment. I don't like it. (...) > > > > Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. > > So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO. > > It won't be for a considerable time yet, if at all, so there's no need > to opt for the pain now if he doesn't want. I'm still hoping I give up on computers before that happens ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: > > (...) > > I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland > > desktop environment. I don't like it. (...) > > Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. > So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO. It won't be for a considerable time yet, if at all, so there's no need to opt for the pain now if he doesn't want.
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
"Susmita/Rajib" wrote: > [ ... ] >You can have a look at jgmenu: https://packages.debian.org/jgmenu > [ ... ] > >Thanks. But: >Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 ( >= 2.34 needed) The package is only available on testing and unstable, wait a few days for the Bookworm release.
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:33:10 +0530
"Susmita/Rajib" wrote:
Hello Susmita/Rajib,
>Mailing Lists don't ban anyone from posting.
No, but moderators do. People (well, email addresses) certainly *can*
be blacklisted.
Now, whether or not your contact is blacklisted here, only the list
admin know. Whether they'll confirm, or deny, I couldn't say.
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Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
> (...) > I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland desktop > environment. I don't like it. (...) Rajib. In the future, all most GUI desktop(s) will run under Wayland. So i suggest that you have to adapt to change, IMHO. Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 12:05 PM Pierre Tomon wrote: > "Susmita/Rajib" wrote: > >Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like > >OpenBox is with LXDE? > IIRC you wan use KWin alone (without Plasma). > > >I am driven by the need to get over LXDE+OpenBox environment that is > >dying, if not already dead. > Yes Openbox is no more maintained, but it's stable. > Maybe you should try another X11 WM: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers > > >I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland desktop > >environment. I don't like it. My best preference is a start menu ⟶ > >sub-menu ⟶ sub-sub-menu ⟶ ... ⟶ Program. Which is why I preferred > >LXDE. But no longer. > Have you tried LXQT it replaced LXDE. > You can have a look at jgmenu: https://packages.debian.org/jgmenu > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
From: Pierre Tomon Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 18:04:30 +0200 Message-id: <[🔎] 4qvl26510zz3...@smtp-3-.mail.infomaniak.ch> [ ... ] You can have a look at jgmenu: https://packages.debian.org/jgmenu [ ... ] Thanks. But: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 ( >= 2.34 needed)
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
Mr. Zmudzinski has written to me with his suggestions. He said that he is banned from mailing lists. I am uncertain whether someone can be banned from posting. Mailing Lists don't ban anyone from posting. One could at best have to subscribe in order to post. Could the List Maintainers please look into the matter and apprise me of the situation here. To Mr. Zmudzinski: I will carefully consider your suggestions. Thank you for sharing your insights off-list. Best wishes, Rajib Etc. -- Received message -- From: Chuck Zmudzinski Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 12:18:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE? To: Susmita/Rajib On 5/29/23 2:00 AM, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > My dear illustrious Leaders and Senior Members of the Debian Users Mailing > List, > [ ... ] > > I am driven by the need to get over LXDE+OpenBox environment that is > dying, if not already dead. > [ ... ] Hello Rajib, Did you try LXQT? https://lxqt-project.org/ https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/lxqt https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.7.0-amd64-lxqt.iso https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.7.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.7.0-amd64-lxqt+nonfree.iso I never tried the Debian live LXQT images, but I have installed the LXQT meta package alongside GNOME as an alternative to LXDE and it works well and comes with OpenBox. LXQT is built on qt5 which is the same underlying GUI toolkit that KDE uses but is more lightweight than KDE. It is similar to LXDE which I used to use but I switched to LXQT because I perceived it to be under more active development than LXDE. P.S. I am not able to reply to you on-list because I was banned from Debian mailing lists by our illustrious Debian leaders for allegedly trolling, but I think they made a mistake about that because I am not a troll and just wanted to help out and express my opinion on some things as a Debian user but they censored my opinion by banning me. A few of our illustrious Debian leaders use their power to censor minority viewpoints, unfortunately. Kind regards, Chuck
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
From: Roger Price Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 10:13:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-id: <[🔎] 7411bfa2-f0a4-404e-ca71-70b592b59...@rogerprice.org> In-reply-to: <[🔎] caeg4czwo3xhha6nyxvpnoexqb6pacsvutkssykty96scwmk...@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, Mr. Price, for your reply. [ ... ] Xfce4 ? [ ... ] But xfce4 is a complete desktop environment like LXDE, not a WM. So far as I know. Please educate me if you know it is otherwise.
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
From: Joe Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 09:09:25 +0100 Message-id: <[🔎] 20230529090925.39032...@jrenewsid.jretrading.com> In-reply-to: <[🔎] caeg4czwo3xhha6nyxvpnoexqb6pacsvutkssykty96scwmk...@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, Mr. Joe, for replying to my post: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg01077.html [ ... ] ... I use the Gnome package alacarte: ... [ ... ] I have begun to dislike Gnome when it switched over to wayland desktop environment. I don't like it. My best preference is a start menu ⟶ sub-menu ⟶ sub-sub-menu ⟶ ... ⟶ Program. Which is why I preferred LXDE. But no longer. [ ... ] ... If you want an icon for it, you'll need to find a suitable one and use alacarte to select it. ... [ ... ] I know how to make a menu-item creating/editing the respective file ending with filename .desktop in the /usr/share/applications directory and the rest. I have solved the autorun scripts and commands problem recently. The solution is in this forum here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00792.html My objective is also to add customised menu on the right-click drop-down menu-list in LXDE's pcmanfm or any other file manager by right-clicking on a clear area of a desktop. The issue has been brought to the debian-user list members in: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00909.html
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Mon, 29 May 2023, Susmita/Rajib wrote: My dear illustrious Leaders... Certainly not me. Finally, is there a lightweight Windows Manager... Xfce4 ? Roger
Re: Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:30:52 +0530
"Susmita/Rajib" wrote:
>
> The problem with these two environment and manager respectively is
> that even if a GUI package is installed, there is no guaranty that a
> menu entry would be generated mandatorily within the menu list. For
> example, I installed `hardinfo` today, but the menu-list wasn't
> updated with a respective menu-item. "System Profiler and Benchmark",
> until I logged off and then back on to OpenBox.
>
> >From Manjaro forum I was recommended that KDE Plasma is the ideal DE
> >
> where menus are fully customisable.
>
As are they in Xfce, and everywhere else that uses the standard
freedesktop.org menu.
To make it easy, I use the Gnome package alacarte:
$ apt-cache show alacarte
Package: alacarte
Version: 3.44.2-1
Installed-Size: 534
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
Architecture: all
Depends: python3:any, gnome-menus (>= 3.5.3), python3-gi,
gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 (>= 3.5.3), gir1.2-glib-2.0,
gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0
Description-en: easy GNOME menu editing tool
Alacarte is an easy-to-use menu editor for GNOME that can add and edit
new entries and menus. It works with the freedesktop.org menu
specification and should work with any desktop environment that uses
the spec. Description-md5: ea89a81c038b7864336ed55a2783b93b
Multi-Arch: foreign
Homepage: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/alacarte
Tag: admin::configuring, implemented-in::python, interface::graphical,
interface::x11, role::program, scope::utility, suite::gnome,
uitoolkit::gtk, use::configuring, x11::application
Section: utils
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/a/alacarte/alacarte_3.44.2-1_all.deb
Size: 84176
MD5sum: b7c49c1a6438bb32755d1a67d06d7455
SHA256: 32d1be88bd9f52c540ea3f6d7c10ac2b92a47ecbb78a6fee0ac5e4837b913977
To use alacarte ('Main Menu' under Settings) with one of the minor
applications that don't have an automatic desktop menu (and you may
find that your menu has an 'Other' entry which lists all these) then
you need to find its executable with whereis.
$ whereis hardinfo
hardinfo: /usr/bin/hardinfo /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hardinfo
/usr/share/hardinfo /usr/share/man/man1/hardinfo.1.gz
The /usr/bin/.. or /usr/sbin/.. is the one you want, enter this into
alacarte in your chosen category e.g. system.
If you want an icon for it, you'll need to find a suitable one and use
alacarte to select it.
--
Joe
Isn't KDE Live ISO accompanied by an ultra-light Windows Manager, like OpenBox is with LXDE?
My dear illustrious Leaders and Senior Members of the Debian Users Mailing List, For more than one week, I have hopped from one forum to another, beginning from LXDE, OpenBox, Arch and then Manjaro in search of a solution to my problem posted on the thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00909.html Eventually, I figured that since LXDE and OpenBox original niches are now dying and the development, stalled, I should change my DE and have a WM more customisable and the development, more vibrant than that of and for LXDE or OpenBox respectively. The problem with these two environment and manager respectively is that even if a GUI package is installed, there is no guaranty that a menu entry would be generated mandatorily within the menu list. For example, I installed `hardinfo` today, but the menu-list wasn't updated with a respective menu-item. "System Profiler and Benchmark", until I logged off and then back on to OpenBox. >From Manjaro forum I was recommended that KDE Plasma is the ideal DE where menus are fully customisable. I downloaded the Manjaro KDE live ISO and used it. But it doesn't have a WM like openbox. I came to know after I posted the experience on the Manjaro forum. So, is the Debian KDE live ISO by default Plasma? Is the menu fully customisable, like they said it is in Manjaro? Finally, is there a lightweight Windows Manager in KDE so that I could use the WM most of the time to preserve (or not unnecessarily waste) system resources, only to return to KDE if system administration is required? I have checked the package list in either of the ISOs of KDE, free and non-free: debian-live-11.7.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.packages debian-live-11.7.0-amd64-kde.packages Wasn't able to figure out any. Finally, is the complete customisability of KDE menu fully extended to the Windows Manager added to KDE, if it at all exists within the Debian KDE set up? I am driven by the need to get over LXDE+OpenBox environment that is dying, if not already dead. Best wishes, Rajib Etc.
