Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's! (PS. M$ shucks)
on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:44:42PM -0500, MaD dUCK ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > also sprach Robert Tucker (on Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:40:07PM -0800): > > Can I change my mind about this partition scheme later? If not, your > > earlier recommendation included several more partitions and I'd like > > to understand the change in thought. I don't have a problem with > > partitions. It is my understanding that partitions add a margin of > > 'safety' to the system. > > no, you won't be able to change that scheme (at least not easily). > yes, they add to security, but you need to understand the implications > first. however, given the excessive space that you have, i'd say go > for it. there's almost nothing that can go wrong. Hadn't been following this thread closely, but my $0.02 on partitioning can be found at http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpfbyiGMcV5m.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's! (PS. M$ shucks)
also sprach Robert Tucker (on Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:40:07PM -0800): > Can I change my mind about this partition scheme later? If not, your > earlier recommendation included several more partitions and I'd like > to understand the change in thought. I don't have a problem with > partitions. It is my understanding that partitions add a margin of > 'safety' to the system. no, you won't be able to change that scheme (at least not easily). yes, they add to security, but you need to understand the implications first. however, given the excessive space that you have, i'd say go for it. there's almost nothing that can go wrong. > > tell us about your windoze machine config. what is the output from the > > command line command 'route print' ? > DSL - Kingston card - EtherNet 300 v.1.300.008 software ALL IP > addresses assigned by server / > > what protocols do you use? is this windoze 95? if so, what's listed in > > the network control panel? what are the tcp/ip settings(*)? > > IPX/SPX - compatible protocol / Network TeleSystems P.P.P.o.E. > NetBEUI - Network TeleSystems PPPOE Adapter (NTSP3) > TCP/IP - Network TeleSystems PPOE Adapter (NTSP3) pppoe. oh well. http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod/network-dsl.html otherwise i won't be much of help. > > never underestimate the power of human stupidity. > > Why do I seem to relate to the above statement...? HHM... nonono. you'd be stupid if you hadn't asked. right now you are a beginner. just like everyone else is or once was. > Anyone else out there want to jump in on this conversation? Martin > can't be the ONLY hero(?) out there! Anyone have some experience > with DSL? Whup it on me! Please!? for this to work, you better send it to the list. you only sent this to me... start a new thread... on dsl connectivity only. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@ !#:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- echo '[dO%O+38%O+PO/d0<0]Fi22os0CC4BA64E418CE7l0xAP'|dc
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
also sprach Robert Tucker (on Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:02:37AM -0800): > Didn't partition yet. Want to get all my ducks in a row and do everything at > the > same time. I've been gathering everything together... then partition like this: hda2 your ram size hda1 /everything else it's best for now. > Never any experience with linux before. My DSL provider is PacBell and I use a > Kingston card with an external modem and all is set up for W95. As for a > 'routing > table' ... huh? I've been digging through the software here at Debian.org and > have found tons of programs that seem to be what I want. Just can't seem to > nail > anything down though. tell us about your windoze machine config. what is the output from the command line command 'route print' ? what protocols do you use? is this windoze 95? if so, what's listed in the network control panel? what are the tcp/ip settings(*)? if this is windoze nt, what's listed in the network control panel/protocols and adapters? what are the tcp/ip settings(*)? (*) tcp/ip settings of relevance: ip address network mask gateway/router dns servers > All I know is is that PacBell said they only support W9x-2000 and can't help > me > with linux (or any other platform) and the people I have been able to talk to > know what they read off a sheet of paper. 'pppoe'? My mail is pop3 and that's > about all I know. Sorry, I'm pretty ignorant about this part... pppoe and pop3 have nothing to do with each other. pppoe might only be needed in germany actually, i don't know about PacBell. did you have to install *anything* on windoze when you got dsl working? martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
also sprach Robert Tucker (on Mon, 05 Mar 2001 03:07:58AM -0800): > MaD dUCK wrote: > > with 42Gb, you will be safe as follows: > > > > > hda1 /boot16M > > hda2 your RAM size > > hda5 /500M > > hda6 /usr 10G > > hda7 /home29G > > hda8 /var 1G > > hda9 /tmp 1G > > > mh. did you partition that way? okay... it's a jump in the right direction, i hope you don't run into troubles given that you don't have a lot of experience with partitioning. well, have you ever configured linux for dsl? you will need to get your network card working, you will need to interface with your router properly, you will need your routing table to work... do you know whether you need pppoe? who's your provider. i don't have too much dsl experience, so i won't be of much help... martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- great minds run in great circles.
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
> - WinNT 4.0 (did not test) Works like a charm. > - Linux 2.x (Installed caldera openlinux 2.4 and RedHat with x on my debian > woody, no complaints) Add Suse, Turbo, Trustix, and Mandrake to that list. Sam Morgan
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
VMWare won't do MacOs nor amiga nor nothing far beyond the followin list. - Dos/Win3.11 (i did try it and it worked, but didn-t have video drivers) - Win95/8 (I tried 98 only) - WinNT 4.0 (did not test) - W2k Profesional (Works good, depending on Video Card) - FreeBSD (Works Cool!) - Linux 2.x (Installed caldera openlinux 2.4 and RedHat with x on my debian woody, no complaints) - And perhaps other flavors... (Anyone tried Xenix?) And that is the end... M. On Saturday 03 March 2001 00:47, will trillich wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 02:00:06PM -0500, MaD dUCK wrote: > > vmware allows you to run windoze on top of linux. or any operating > > system as a matter of fact. and pvm is distributed processing, i > > really just threw it in to emphasize that i don't see a place for > > computer games in the life of any person who is enthusiastic about > > linux. > > ANY operating system? would that include mac os x? :) > seriously, would it do mac os 8 or 9?
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
on Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 02:00:06PM -0500, MaD dUCK ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > also sprach Robert Tucker (on Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:14:44PM -0800): > > Ok... Now, what is vmware? And pvm? I see I have a lot of > > memorization to do. I have two other computers (both 486's) and I > > plan to initially net them and leave them W95. What is the general > > outline of using a Linux machine to run Windows games? > > vmware allows you to run windoze on top of linux. or any operating > system as a matter of fact. Not so fast. Many OSs which run on x86 hardware. Not all. Though support is improving. BeOS took a while to get up. OS/2 still isn't supported. Not sure about Amiga. VMWare's website has a pretty good rundown though. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpHXeX1CmqVD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
also sprach will trillich (on Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:47:12PM -0600): > ANY operating system? would that include mac os x? :) > seriously, would it do mac os 8 or 9? don't quote me on it, but i don't think so. i should have said - any operating system that runs on x86. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- si vis pacem, para bellum
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 02:00:06PM -0500, MaD dUCK wrote: > vmware allows you to run windoze on top of linux. or any operating > system as a matter of fact. and pvm is distributed processing, i > really just threw it in to emphasize that i don't see a place for > computer games in the life of any person who is enthusiastic about > linux. ANY operating system? would that include mac os x? :) seriously, would it do mac os 8 or 9? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newbieDoc -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us!
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also sprach Robert Tucker (on Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:14:44PM -0800): > Ok... Now, what is vmware? And pvm? I see I have a lot of memorization to do. > I > have two other computers (both 486's) and I plan to initially net them and > leave > them W95. What is the general outline of using a Linux machine to run Windows > games? vmware allows you to run windoze on top of linux. or any operating system as a matter of fact. and pvm is distributed processing, i really just threw it in to emphasize that i don't see a place for computer games in the life of any person who is enthusiastic about linux. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- "no small art is it to sleep: it is necessary for that purpose to keep awake all day." -- friedrich nietzsche
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
also sprach will trillich (on Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:50:16AM -0600): > when you enter the linux world, you'll be amazed at the uptime > (167 days for my server downstairs) and perplexed at how much > there is that can be done, and how much there is to learn in > order to do it. you're about to enter a Kahuna Bigtime learning > experience that makes college finals look like pop quizzes. when > you begin to 'see the light' you'll wanna back up and start over > on occasion... i certainly have! exactly. > > > I would like advice about keeping W95. > > > > no! why? > > only for legacy stuff that linux doesn't run. but if there's > nothing there you need, ditch it. (tho a 40+gb drive will have > room even for windows 98 plus debian, i'd think.) this is where vmware comes in. you wouldn't want billy boy to affect your uptime, would you??? and if you are into linux and still feel the need to play windoze games, then buy another computer, install linux on it too, and start playing with pvm! or anything else. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- "if you stick a stock of liquor in your locker, it is slick to stick a lock upon your stock. or some joker who is slicker, will trick you of your liquor, if you fail to lock your liquor with a lock."
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
> > I would like advice about partitioning. > > with 42Gb, you will be safe as follows: > > hda1 /boot16M > hda2 your RAM size > hda5 /500M > hda6 /usr 10G > hda7 /home29G > hda8 /var 1G > hda9 /tmp 1G hell, with 42gb you'll need some serious effort to find a limiting partition scheme. if you're completely new to linux/unix, expect this: 1 - install & partition 2 - get it running 3 - install more stuff 4 - configure that, too 5 - decide to undo some stuff 6 - what the hey, START OVER FROM SCRATCH now that you 'know' 7 - partition according to your "du" vs "df" output (du = disk usage per directory node on down the tree, df = disk full info per partition) 8 - go to step 3 when you enter the linux world, you'll be amazed at the uptime (167 days for my server downstairs) and perplexed at how much there is that can be done, and how much there is to learn in order to do it. you're about to enter a Kahuna Bigtime learning experience that makes college finals look like pop quizzes. when you begin to 'see the light' you'll wanna back up and start over on occasion... i certainly have! how big your various partitions need to be depend a lot on what you're gonna do with your computer -- and if you're new to linux, not even YOU will have the answer to that question! so dive in and enjoy -- the folks here are remarkably helpful... > > I would like advice about keeping W95. > > no! why? only for legacy stuff that linux doesn't run. but if there's nothing there you need, ditch it. (tho a 40+gb drive will have room even for windows 98 plus debian, i'd think.) > > I would like advice about which kernel to use. > > 2.4.2 works fine for me. especially the netfiltering is spiffy. buy some potato/stable CDs (or download and burn the images yourself). less vanguard, more solid. when you decide to play in traffic, you can "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" to move to another release (unstable, testing, woody, sid) after munging the /etc/apt/sources.list file... > > Any other thoughts, ideas, hints, suggestions, etc. expect vexation for the first 90 days. ask questions. snoop around. learn. smile. enjoy. -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newbieDoc -- newbies helping newbies
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also sprach Charles Lewis (on Thu, 01 Mar 2001 02:15:36PM -0800): > I've been very happy creating just 2 partitions. 1 for swap and 1 for > everything else. Simple and easy, and I have yet to regret it on any of the > systems that I have installed. I would be interested in a discussion of > possible ramifications of using this method. DoS attacks. inode numbers. reinstalling while keeping /home and /usr/local. in any case, given robert's position, the / and 2 partition approach you proposed is probably best. i believe linux and bsd should stay within a single partition if all ports are closed and the system is single-user, or within a closed trusted group like a family. as soon as ports are open, or other users use the system, the meaning and positives of separate /var, /tmp, and /home partitions should be thoroughly understood, and only then should a system be created with more partitions. i have 9 partitions on all my systems :) martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- \|/ _ \|/ "@'/ , . \`@" /_| \___/ |__\ \___U_/
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
also sprach Robert Tucker (on Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:44:34AM -0800): > I plan to net 2 other computers to this computer. My DSL service > requires pop3 so I assume that I will have to use that for dsl and > assume I can use any type of mail for the netted computers. my question was whether you want to run a local pop3 mail server, which i doubt you will want to. your provider can't "require pop3", that's wrong. you will be perfectly able to connect to yahoo mail and/or pop3 providers out there. in fact, your provider will give you pop3 accounts on its mail server. > > - smtp yes > > - proxy services? yes > > - NAT? yes > > Don't understand what NAT is... network address translation: one official IP address, several computers on a private network like 192.168.1.0. the router that does NAT forwards requests of the internal machines to the internet, and properly directs responses from the net back to the client where the request came from. > > - DNS? no > > Ditto for DNS... (I'm looking really ignorant here... mostly because I am.) could provide a naming scheme for your internal computers. don't do it if you don't know it, it can be quite complicated. use /etc/hosts instead. > > - DHCP? no > > Again? Ditto Ditto explained in another thread: dynamic ip addresses. > > hda2 your RAM size > Docs say not much value to go above 64... Would you give me your thoughts, > experiences? i have 256 Mb of RAM and 256 Mb of swap. unless you are using some of the early 2.0.x kernels which had disabled paging algorithms, too much can not hurt. > > > I would like advice about keeping W95. > > > > no! why? > > Tickles the heck out of me... well. i'd ditch it for good and forever. > Sorry, I wasn't clear... I wondering about potato and woody and such. ah. run with potato for now, just to be sure. you can always upgrade later. but people on this list will have more experience with potato. > > we're envious. even installing debian is fun! > > Boy, Howdy... Not so sure that I can appreciate that yet. As with anything > unexplored/experienced, I tend to be cautious/apprehensive. Sometimes I just > close my eyes and jump. good call. just don't screw anything up. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- breakfast.com halted - cereal port not responding.
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
on 3/1/01 11:35 AM, MaD dUCK at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > what is the machine going to serve? > > - pop3? i'd assume no > - smtp yes > - proxy services? yes > - NAT? yes > - DNS? no > - DHCP? no > - firewall no > DHCP is nice for allowing any computer to plug in to your network without configuration, such when you have a laptop from work or you have relatives that come for a visit and bring their laptop, etc. firewalling would depend on the type of internet connection you have. If you have an always-on connection (such as DSL, cable, satellite, wireless,etc), then a firewall would be advisable. If it's just a modem connection, one could argue that a firewall is not as necessary. >> I would like advice about partitioning. > > with 42Gb, you will be safe as follows: > > hda1 /boot16M > hda2 your RAM size > hda5 /500M > hda6 /usr 10G > hda7 /home29G > hda8 /var 1G > hda9 /tmp 1G > I use to worry about this when I first started because I had absolutely no clue as to what partitions needed to be created and what size to make them. Especially when considering different size hard drives on different systems. I know that there are reasons to have separate partitions, but quite frankly I've been very happy creating just 2 partitions. 1 for swap and 1 for everything else. Simple and easy, and I have yet to regret it on any of the systems that I have installed. I would be interested in a discussion of possible ramifications of using this method. -- Charles Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 817-556-4720
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Hi, > > I've read over the docs for Debian and still feel a bit shy about making > hard decissions about how to partition my new drive. I want to > completely purge Microsoft from my system (life!) so I plan to replace > the 10gig with the 42gig or at least put W95 back as an alternate > system. > > I want to use this computer as a server for 2 other machines. I have 4 > users (self, wife and 2 kids). I would like to create an open ended > situation where I can add/alter/remove as desired for software and > hardware. Or, get as close to this as possible. > > Please feel free to respond to the following. I will really appreciate > it and I THANK YOU in advance. > > I would like advice about partitioning. Depends on what harddisks there are in the other computer, and what kind of computers (clients) that are. If they are not very up to date, you may want to use them as a X terminal (see www.ltsp.org for more information). If you have a pretty good network, you could make the clients diskless (root over nfs, works fine at me), reduces the noise of the harddisks. So, it you want to do this, and you have other harddisks in the clients, you have now even more options to partition your drive! > I would like advice about keeping W95. Depends on if your kids like to play the latest 3D games. If it is, I should keep that hd unchanged (assuming windoze slurped about 10gigs). I have an optional harddisk drive on which win98 is installed. Some suckers (like government) still make progs that you can only use on m$ stuff. > I would like advice about which kernel to use. Do not start with 2.4.2 yet. I have some problems with it. It also depends on what your computer is capable of (firewire, usb, video cards). For using the kernel-nfs-daemon (which I think you are goining to need this) I had succes with kernel 2.4.0. 2.2 kernels are buggy with this. I have not figured out yet how to use swap over nfs, so think about memory in the clients. Greetz, Sebastiaan > > Any other thoughts, ideas, hints, suggestions, etc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: It's MY computer, not Bill's!
what is the machine going to serve? - pop3? i'd assume no - smtp yes - proxy services? yes - NAT? yes - DNS? no - DHCP? no - firewall no > I would like advice about partitioning. with 42Gb, you will be safe as follows: hda1 /boot16M hda2 your RAM size hda5 /500M hda6 /usr 10G hda7 /home29G hda8 /var 1G hda9 /tmp 1G > I would like advice about keeping W95. no! why? > I would like advice about which kernel to use. 2.4.2 works fine for me. especially the netfiltering is spiffy. > Any other thoughts, ideas, hints, suggestions, etc. we're envious. even installing debian is fun! martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@@@.net -- "god is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -- voltaire
It's MY computer, not Bill's!
I could use some "advice". Here is your chance to directly influence a new installation of Debian without experiencing the repercussions. I have a PII w/128 ram, 1.44 floppy, 1 cd-rom, 1 cd-rom burner, ZIP drive, Unknown video mfr. (works w/W95 and it was free), SoundBlaster pro, ethernet card, DSL, 10gig C: drive and a new-in-the-box 42gig HD. I've read over the docs for Debian and still feel a bit shy about making hard decissions about how to partition my new drive. I want to completely purge Microsoft from my system (life!) so I plan to replace the 10gig with the 42gig or at least put W95 back as an alternate system. I want to use this computer as a server for 2 other machines. I have 4 users (self, wife and 2 kids). I would like to create an open ended situation where I can add/alter/remove as desired for software and hardware. Or, get as close to this as possible. Please feel free to respond to the following. I will really appreciate it and I THANK YOU in advance. I would like advice about partitioning. I would like advice about keeping W95. I would like advice about which kernel to use. Any other thoughts, ideas, hints, suggestions, etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
