Re: FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 21:51:12 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > On 10/21/2017 10:46 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:28:00 -0700 Patrick Bartek > > wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > [big snip] > > Thank you for your input. > No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was > completely gone. > Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. > > What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to > default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some > icons on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not > delete the newly added panel. > > What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time > not to mess with desktop panel. > This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. > > Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk > top. > > >>> > >>> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess > >>> this is Debian Stretch specific problem. > >> > >> Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query > >> about it to their mailing list, etc? > >> > >> I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with > >> Openbox, LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop > >> environment installed, and I don't experience this problem. > >> > >> Check in your user home directory > >> for .config/lxpanel/default/panels and see what's listed. > >> > >> FYI: I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have > >> not removed any systemd stuff. Could make a difference. Who > >> knows? > >> > >> B > > > > After adding an lxpanel in addition to the default one I already > > had, configured it, added applets, etc, rebooted, all worked fine. > > However, when I deleted the added panel, it along with the default > > one vanished. But when I "exited" Openbox to a terminal and ran > > startx, Openbox along with the default panel came back. However, > > since I only run Openbox and not a desktop, to have lxpanel start > > when Openbox does, I must run 'lxpanel &' it in a file 'autostart' > > in .conf/openbox/ in my home directory. Maybe, you doing the same > > thing might be a fix for your problem. > > > > B > > > > > OK, I did experiment something. > > What I did was I copied /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels from working > Jessie machine to Stretch. > > AND the result was success! Great! > The one in Wheezy has panel and left files under "panels" but on > Stretch, there is only "panel" file. On my tests with Stretch/Openbox, I got separate config files for each panel. > > For some reason LXDE fails to create these panel files correctly and > messes up. I don't know the mechanism of this process but something is > not working right. I'd contact the LXDE people and let them know. B
Re: FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/21/2017 10:46 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:28:00 -0700 Patrick Bartek > wrote: > >> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: [big snip] Thank you for your input. No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was completely gone. Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the newly added panel. What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time not to mess with desktop panel. This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top. >>> >>> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess >>> this is Debian Stretch specific problem. >> >> Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about >> it to their mailing list, etc? >> >> I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox, >> LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment >> installed, and I don't experience this problem. >> >> Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels >> and see what's listed. >> >> FYI: I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not >> removed any systemd stuff. Could make a difference. Who knows? >> >> B > > After adding an lxpanel in addition to the default one I already had, > configured it, added applets, etc, rebooted, all worked fine. > However, when I deleted the added panel, it along with the default one > vanished. But when I "exited" Openbox to a terminal and ran > startx, Openbox along with the default panel came back. However, since > I only run Openbox and not a desktop, to have lxpanel start when > Openbox does, I must run 'lxpanel &' it in a file 'autostart' > in .conf/openbox/ in my home directory. Maybe, you doing the same > thing might be a fix for your problem. > > B > OK, I did experiment something. What I did was I copied /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels from working Jessie machine to Stretch. AND the result was success! The one in Wheezy has panel and left files under "panels" but on Stretch, there is only "panel" file. For some reason LXDE fails to create these panel files correctly and messes up. I don't know the mechanism of this process but something is not working right.
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:18:25 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > On 10/21/2017 01:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> [big snip] > >>> > >>> Thank you for your input. > >>> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was > >>> completely gone. > >>> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. > >>> > >>> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to > >>> default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons > >>> on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the > >>> newly added panel. > >>> > >>> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time > >>> not to mess with desktop panel. > >>> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. > >>> > >>> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk > >>> top. > >>> > >> > >> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess > >> this is Debian Stretch specific problem. > > > > Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query > > about it to their mailing list, etc? > > > > I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with > > Openbox, LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop > > environment installed, and I don't experience this problem. > > > > Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels > > and see what's listed. > > > > FYI: I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not > > removed any systemd stuff. Could make a difference. Who knows? > > > > B > > > > I have posted in LXDE forum as well but I haven't got any useful > response. > > I don't see .config/lxpanel/default/panels > All I got is > > /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels There's no prepended /. .config is a hidden directory in your user's home directory. Since I'm not running LXDE and you are, that's explains the difference. But there should be configuration files there for each running panel. > and I really don't know what to look for. Read my FOLLOWUP post for what transpired after my initial reply to your post. B
FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:28:00 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue > wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > > > > > > > [big snip] > > > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was > > > completely gone. > > > Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. > > > > > > What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to > > > default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons > > > on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the > > > newly added panel. > > > > > > What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time > > > not to mess with desktop panel. > > > This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. > > > > > > Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk > > > top. > > > > > > > I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess > > this is Debian Stretch specific problem. > > Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about > it to their mailing list, etc? > > I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox, > LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment > installed, and I don't experience this problem. > > Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels > and see what's listed. > > FYI: I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not > removed any systemd stuff. Could make a difference. Who knows? > > B After adding an lxpanel in addition to the default one I already had, configured it, added applets, etc, rebooted, all worked fine. However, when I deleted the added panel, it along with the default one vanished. But when I "exited" Openbox to a terminal and ran startx, Openbox along with the default panel came back. However, since I only run Openbox and not a desktop, to have lxpanel start when Openbox does, I must run 'lxpanel &' it in a file 'autostart' in .conf/openbox/ in my home directory. Maybe, you doing the same thing might be a fix for your problem. B
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/21/2017 01:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue > wrote: > >> >> >> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >>> >>> >>> [big snip] >>> >>> Thank you for your input. >>> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was >>> completely gone. >>> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. >>> >>> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to >>> default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons >>> on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the >>> newly added panel. >>> >>> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time >>> not to mess with desktop panel. >>> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. >>> >>> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top. >>> >> >> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess this >> is Debian Stretch specific problem. > > Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about > it to their mailing list, etc? > > I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox, > LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment > installed, and I don't experience this problem. > > Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels > and see what's listed. > > FYI: I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not > removed any systemd stuff. Could make a difference. Who knows? > > B > I have posted in LXDE forum as well but I haven't got any useful response. I don't see .config/lxpanel/default/panels All I got is /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels and I really don't know what to look for. M.W.C.
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > > > > [big snip] > > > > Thank you for your input. > > No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was > > completely gone. > > Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. > > > > What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to > > default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons > > on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the > > newly added panel. > > > > What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time > > not to mess with desktop panel. > > This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. > > > > Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top. > > > > I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess this > is Debian Stretch specific problem. Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about it to their mailing list, etc? I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox, LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment installed, and I don't experience this problem. Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels and see what's listed. FYI: I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not removed any systemd stuff. Could make a difference. Who knows? B
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > On 10/15/2017 11:55 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >>> On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. > > I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE > panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. > > I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had > changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than > that. > > The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only > showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it > would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but > the bottom menu panel is still missing. > > What went wrong and why? > How can I get the bottom panel? I gave up. What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again. But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is the way. >>> >>> >>> I don't believe this >>> >>> Same thing happened again to newly created account >>> I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel, >>> and changed background image >>> >>> Clueless now. >> >> >> The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor >> (mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that >> panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being >> toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have.. >> >> A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and >> show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that >> brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar. >> Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for >> XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is >> *universal*. :) >> >> If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or >> not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will >> reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try.. >> >> You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep >> lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an >> example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If >> anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be >> reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share.. >> >> I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember >> what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period >> of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back >> and add to this... >> >> Cindy :) >> > > > Thank you for your input. > No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was completely > gone. > Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. > > What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to default > one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons on the newly > added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the newly added panel. > > What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time not to > mess with desktop panel. > This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. > > Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top. > I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess this is Debian Stretch specific problem.
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/15/2017 11:55 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >> On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >>> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than that. The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but the bottom menu panel is still missing. What went wrong and why? How can I get the bottom panel? >>> >>> >>> I gave up. >>> >>> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again. >>> >>> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is >>> the way. >> >> >> I don't believe this >> >> Same thing happened again to newly created account >> I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel, >> and changed background image >> >> Clueless now. > > > The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor > (mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that > panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being > toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have.. > > A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and > show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that > brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar. > Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for > XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is > *universal*. :) > > If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or > not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will > reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try.. > > You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep > lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an > example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If > anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be > reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share.. > > I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember > what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period > of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back > and add to this... > > Cindy :) > Thank you for your input. No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was completely gone. Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that. What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the newly added panel. What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time not to mess with desktop panel. This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze. Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top.
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >>> >>> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. >>> >>> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE >>> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. >>> >>> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had >>> changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than >>> that. >>> >>> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only >>> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it >>> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but >>> the bottom menu panel is still missing. >>> >>> What went wrong and why? >>> How can I get the bottom panel? >> >> >> I gave up. >> >> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again. >> >> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is >> the way. > > > I don't believe this > > Same thing happened again to newly created account > I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel, > and changed background image > > Clueless now. The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor (mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have.. A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar. Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is *universal*. :) If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try.. You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share.. I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back and add to this... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs.. in circles occasionally *
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. >> >> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE >> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. >> >> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had >> changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than that. >> >> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only >> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it >> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but >> the bottom menu panel is still missing. >> >> What went wrong and why? >> How can I get the bottom panel? >> >> A.M.W.C. >> > > > I gave up. > > What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again. > > But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is > the way. > > Thanks. > > Man without patience > I don't believe this Same thing happened again to newly created account I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel, and changed background image Clueless now.
Re: LXDE panel disappeared
On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. > > I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE > panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. > > I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had > changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than that. > > The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only > showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it > would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but > the bottom menu panel is still missing. > > What went wrong and why? > How can I get the bottom panel? > > A.M.W.C. > I gave up. What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again. But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is the way. Thanks. Man without patience
LXDE panel disappeared
Hi all, I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week. I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE panel at bottom (default panel) is gone. I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had changed the back ground image. I didn't do anything fancy other than that. The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but the bottom menu panel is still missing. What went wrong and why? How can I get the bottom panel? A.M.W.C.
