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Debian testing linux-image update leads to slow file transfers?
On 03/28 I updated 3 Debian testing systems on our LAN at home, the update including -- linux-image-4.15.0-2-amd64 Since that time two behavioral differences have been conspicuous on all three systems. The first is that these messages appear in dmesg during every boot process: [1.799465] platform regulatory.0: firmware: failed to load regulatory.db (-2) [1.799498] firmware_class: See https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for information about missing firmware [1.799537] platform regulatory.0: Direct firmware load for regulatory.db failed with error -2 [1.799540] cfg80211: failed to load regulatory.db The second is that large file transfers on the LAN are almost unbelievably slow, requiring (for instance) more than three hours to copy a 5 gigabyte file from one system to another. Such operations required only a few minutes before the upgrade of 03/28. I found some information in threads at bbs.archlinux.org that indicated that this issue was supposed to be harmless, but I learned, also, that some systems have shown evidence of very slow file transfers following this kernel update. This apparently had something to do with a change in TCP congestion control to bbr. I ran the following command on all three systems: # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=cubic File transfer speeds returned immediately to normal for all three systems. Naturally, this did nothing for the dmesg messages, but system backups and other file transfers no longer require ridiculous amounts of time. I saw nothing in the Debian bug tracker that seems to apply, but I may have been looking in the wrong places. I did fire up reportbug and tried to send the information to reportbug.debian.org, but got an SMMTP send failure. Would like to get the information in front of someone who might be interested and able to do something about it. Suggestions?
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Eventual lament (nylon string guitar): I was recording one evening and at some point wandered into a lament. http://youtu.be/PCJ-CWYoY9s I though many would feel the same, once comes in full lennart's reign. Please don't let it happen. (C) Gnu GPL v2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416286644.149611.192268673.59ddc...@webmail.messagingengine.com
Re: Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
On 3/19/14, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 07:57:56AM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote: I have a similar problem. Just started happening on my homebuilt system, as well. Should we file a bug report? Against which package? I would think first off against the kernel (3.12-rt and 3.13-rt kept hanging at early boot for me), but there are _so_ many kernel bugs filed in Debian, and all the 'hang at boot' ones are of course 'critical', so unfortunately they do not appear to be very useful at all - even in my case where I tested each point release of 3.12 rt and did some network logging and attempted serial logging - all against the same bug, and perused the other bugs first, and I got absolutely no response to date (over a month or two I think). If you are on sid, perhaps try a few different kernels, or if all else fails try to build your own. Good luck, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnsspeqhd6+zrwis6fhv1fa1hguven2f1jjatqtt4nve...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Ghislain Vaillant wrote: Another issue with my Dell Latitude E6440 with AMD hybrid graphics is suspend not working. Suspend leads to a black screen, the system does not go to sleep and seems to be still running (power LED and fan are still on). I already tried different kernel: 3.5 (Ubuntu LTS), 3.12 and 3.13 (Debian sid/experimental) without success. I was wondering if you guys experienced similar behaviour with suspend and if there are workarounds or ways to debug that. hello ghislain, i have a dell precision m4600 with nvidia graphics. i had similar problems: system did'nt go to sleep or screen stayed black on resume. i then added the following kernel parameters (see also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer) vga=normal video=vesa:off nofb now these problems turn up very seldom (for testing i went through a loop of 20 suspend/resume cycles with no problem) best regards winfried -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.DEB.2.02.1403190932560.687@photon.valinor.local
Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
I have updated the bug report on launchpad regarding this issue. My DELL E6440 now successfully suspend and resume without a glitch on both Ubuntu LTS and Debian Jessie/Sid. Since the original report, Dell submitted a BIOS update (version A05) which coincides with the moment when suspend started working reliably. Difficult to verify since no detailed changelog is available. But since then, no more problem with suspending on both Ubuntu and Debian. Ghis 2014-03-18 21:56 GMT+00:00 Michal Kvasnicka michal.kvasni...@gmail.com: Ghislain Vaillant ghisvail at gmail.com writes: Another issue with my Dell Latitude E6440 with AMD hybrid graphics is suspend not working. Suspend leads to a black screen, the system does not go to sleep and seems to be still running (power LED and fan are still on). I already tried different kernel: 3.5 (Ubuntu LTS), 3.12 and 3.13 (Debian sid/experimental) without success. I was wondering if you guys experienced similar behaviour with suspend and if there are workarounds or ways to debug that. Thanks, Ghislain Hi, any progress regarding this problem? Is there any solution for Ubuntu 12.04.2 as officially supported ubuntu release? Thanks in advance, Michal
Re: Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
I have a similar problem. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/03/msg00808.html Any help? -- Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140319105756.GA12355@localhost
Re: Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 07:57:56AM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote: I have a similar problem. Just started happening on my homebuilt system, as well. Should we file a bug report? Against which package? -- Carl Fink ca...@li-con.org Chair, LI-CON, March 29-30, 2014, Rockville Centre, NY Con Site: http://li-con.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140319125327.ga26...@panix.com
Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
Ghislain Vaillant ghisvail at gmail.com writes: Another issue with my Dell Latitude E6440 with AMD hybrid graphics is suspend not working. Suspend leads to a black screen, the system does not go to sleep and seems to be still running (power LED and fan are still on). I already tried different kernel: 3.5 (Ubuntu LTS), 3.12 and 3.13 (Debian sid/experimental) without success. I was wondering if you guys experienced similar behaviour with suspend and if there are workarounds or ways to debug that. Thanks, Ghislain Hi, any progress regarding this problem? Is there any solution for Ubuntu 12.04.2 as officially supported ubuntu release? Thanks in advance, Michal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/loom.20140318t224942-...@post.gmane.org
Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
Am 31.01.2014 18:29, schrieb Steven Rosenberg: I had success with suspend by adding resume=/path/to/swap to my GRUB bootline. To find your /path/to/swap, use: $ swapon -s And use that to create your own /resume=/dev/sda2 type of line (remember, yours will vary depending on your installation. Adding it to GRUB is another matter, but if you pause during boot and add this resume= line, then boot and then can successfully suspend and resume, you can then figure out how to permanently modify GRUB 2 to make the resume line persist in your GRUB. suspend != hibernate You only need a swap partition for hibernate. You don't need it it for suspend (to RAM). -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
Thanks guys for your suggestions. I have tried kernel 3.12 and then the recently released 3.13 in sid without any luck. The thing is that, from time to time, suspend works (maybe 1 out of 15 attempts) for whatever reasons.
Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
Another issue with my Dell Latitude E6440 with AMD hybrid graphics is suspend not working. Suspend leads to a black screen, the system does not go to sleep and seems to be still running (power LED and fan are still on). I already tried different kernel: 3.5 (Ubuntu LTS), 3.12 and 3.13 (Debian sid/experimental) without success. I was wondering if you guys experienced similar behaviour with suspend and if there are workarounds or ways to debug that. Thanks, Ghislain
Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
I had success with suspend by adding resume=/path/to/swap to my GRUB bootline. To find your /path/to/swap, use: $ swapon -s And use that to create your own /resume=/dev/sda2 type of line (remember, yours will vary depending on your installation. Adding it to GRUB is another matter, but if you pause during boot and add this resume= line, then boot and then can successfully suspend and resume, you can then figure out how to permanently modify GRUB 2 to make the resume line persist in your GRUB. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Ghislain Vaillant ghisv...@gmail.com wrote: Another issue with my Dell Latitude E6440 with AMD hybrid graphics is suspend not working. Suspend leads to a black screen, the system does not go to sleep and seems to be still running (power LED and fan are still on). I already tried different kernel: 3.5 (Ubuntu LTS), 3.12 and 3.13 (Debian sid/experimental) without success. I was wondering if you guys experienced similar behaviour with suspend and if there are workarounds or ways to debug that. Thanks, Ghislain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALDrw3M4Y0uUjsPQdLNnqUvMT=d5arnvnnbjdxtcn3acspm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]
On 2/1/14, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com wrote: I had success with suspend by adding resume=/path/to/swap to my GRUB bootline. To find your /path/to/swap, use: $ swapon -s Suspend has usually worked for me, without any swap partition. However, the kernel has been where the significant differences lie in my experience: 3.12-1-rt version 3.12.6-2 booted, version 3.12.8-1 does not 3.12-1-amd64 latest, boots, and usually suspends, but sometimes gives black screen. I think I had consistent suspending/hibernating with 3.9, but can't remember properly sorry. To OP: try the 3.12 kernel and see how you go. No promises. And I have experienced the non-suspending but black screen, here and there, in particular with some kernels. I think the black screen is just the screensaver - the early part of the suspend process succeeds (lock the screen), but the actual suspending doesn't. I haven't yet had time to learn how to debug suspend/hibernate issues. I just try another kernel and hope. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQZtpGKHZnhkXhYbQrrsb3TjSrBT6Ec3uiD2d+yC=h5=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
On 04/11/2013 06:39 AM, lina wrote: Imho, the geeks are interested in the output of `dmesg' and the contents of `/var/log/syslog'. Apr 10 23:57:01 dove kernel: [130001.429581] gnome-terminal[6910]: segfault at 1 ip 7fbbadb22816 sp 7e7fc7c0 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.4 [7fbbadb0b000+4e000] Is it related? Looks like the root of the issue. Though I am not sure why all gnome-terminals died. For the future, use screen or tmux and you will be able to attach to your sessions even if a terminal is gone. ( unless screen or tmux segfaults:) ) Regards, Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/516658e3.6010...@biotec.tu-dresden.de
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:42:12PM +0800, lina wrote: Without data, we can only speculate. Here's my wild speculation: You thought you had multiple terminals open, but what you had was a single master process with multiple sub-processes. A I did have multiple terminals open. It only happened once, at least in what I can recall. failure of some kind happened in the master process and when it died, it took all the children with it. So I ran an experiment. I ran gnome-terminal. That opened a window. Then I went to File-Open Terminal several times. Now there are several windows open. Guess how many gnome-terminal processes there are? 1. And when I killed that one process, all the gnome-terminal windows disappeared. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130411150418.gh27...@randomstring.org
which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
Hi, Right now, I have three or four terminals open, with 1 to 5 tabs in each terminal, most are ssh out. In one terminal, I typed more just one blink, all those terminal-emulators gone. It's my first time meet this issue. So I wonder which may lead to this episode? Thanks, Best regards, $ dpkg --get-selections | grep termin gnome-terminal install gnome-terminal-data install terminal.appinstall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51658cdd.2080...@gmail.com
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
On 04/10/2013 06:01 PM, lina wrote: Hi, Right now, I have three or four terminals open, with 1 to 5 tabs in each terminal, most are ssh out. In one terminal, I typed more just one blink, all those terminal-emulators gone. It's my first time meet this issue. So I wonder which may lead to this episode? Thanks, Best regards, $ dpkg --get-selections | grep termin gnome-terminal install gnome-terminal-data install terminal.appinstall Imho, the geeks are interested in the output of `dmesg' and the contents of `/var/log/syslog'. The closer in time to the incident, the better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51659a49.7010...@online.de
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
Am Mittwoch, 10. April 2013 schrieb Benjamin Egner: On 04/10/2013 06:01 PM, lina wrote: Hi, Right now, I have three or four terminals open, with 1 to 5 tabs in each terminal, most are ssh out. In one terminal, I typed more just one blink, all those terminal-emulators gone. It's my first time meet this issue. So I wonder which may lead to this episode? Thanks, Best regards, $ dpkg --get-selections | grep termin gnome-terminal install gnome-terminal-data install terminal.appinstall Imho, the geeks are interested in the output of `dmesg' and the contents of `/var/log/syslog'. The closer in time to the incident, the better. I´d also be interested in ~/.xsession-errors by the time of the incident. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201304101923.58699.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:01:33AM +0800, lina wrote: Hi, Right now, I have three or four terminals open, with 1 to 5 tabs in each terminal, most are ssh out. In one terminal, I typed more just one blink, all those terminal-emulators gone. It's my first time meet this issue. So I wonder which may lead to this episode? Without data, we can only speculate. Here's my wild speculation: You thought you had multiple terminals open, but what you had was a single master process with multiple sub-processes. A failure of some kind happened in the master process and when it died, it took all the children with it. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130410172438.gg27...@randomstring.org
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
Imho, the geeks are interested in the output of `dmesg' and the contents of `/var/log/syslog'. Apr 10 23:57:01 dove kernel: [130001.429581] gnome-terminal[6910]: segfault at 1 ip 7fbbadb22816 sp 7e7fc7c0 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.4 [7fbbadb0b000+4e000] Is it related? The closer in time to the incident, the better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51663e67.3050...@gmail.com
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
I´d also be interested in ~/.xsession-errors by the time of the incident. ** (xfce4-session:4890): WARNING **: ICE connection 0x7f00400422b0 rejected ** (gnome-terminal:22938): WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager : Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51663ed6.20...@gmail.com
Re: which operation leads to the close all opening terminals
Without data, we can only speculate. Here's my wild speculation: You thought you had multiple terminals open, but what you had was a single master process with multiple sub-processes. A I did have multiple terminals open. It only happened once, at least in what I can recall. failure of some kind happened in the master process and when it died, it took all the children with it. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51663f24.2010...@gmail.com
[Solved]: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): package xserver-xorg-video-intel leads to blank screen on reboot
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:41:35AM -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote: Arvind, 11.04.2011: Over the weekend, i had time to investigate some more. I purged Xorg and all its dependencies. Since my graphics card is intel, X only requires xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-video-vesa, xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and xinit (for startx). I installed each of these packages alone, and rebooted the machine. It is only the xserver-xorg-video-intel package that leads to a blank screen on reboot. When i purge this package and install the other three X packages, the problem does not recur on rebooting. So presently, i am running X only using the generic vesa video driver. That would perhaps lead to a sub-optimal use of the video card capabilities. But the only workaround is to purge xserver-xorg-video-intel before every shutdown, and reinstall it after every boot. I do not like that option. A clarification: both xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-oxrg-video-vesa depend on xserver-xorg-core. I have checked and made sure that xserver-xorg-core and its dependencies do not cause this problem. It is specifically (and only) the package xserver-xorg-video-intel. One more clarification: i have not installed X/G/KDM, so X should not (try to) start at boot. Davide had suggested that as a possibility. I don't think xserver-xorg-video-intel package alone should lead to X starting at boot. In summary, if i do 1) an absolute minimal installation of debian amd64 on a macbook (see above for configuration details of the machine), 2) install the package xserver-xorg-video-intel and 3) reboot then the kernel gets selected at the grub prompt, i see few lines scrolling down, and then the screen goes blank. I can ssh to the machine so i know it does complete the booting process. Could it be related to KMS? I really don't have much experience with KMS but from reading messages on this list I got the feeling it's something that can affect (i.e. possibly screw up) both the console and X together, which sounds like your problem. Good catch - i installed xserver-xorg-video-intel, and disabled KMS by changing the relevant parameter in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf - the problem does not recur on reboot. Thanks a lot for the suggestion. You might want to look at http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting and try the advice under the section Disabling KMS... Coincidentally, i too had reached this page through a different route. I had installed some software in the past few days, including mplayer, and it could not provide fullscreen video, with 'xvinfo' giving no adaptors present. A google search led to a suggestion to disable KMS, and further search on KMS lead to the above wiki. I thought maybe this was also causing the blank screen problem, and then i saw your mail... :-) Unfortunately, the problem with 'xvinfo' persists despite disabling KMS - that needs further investigation, time permitting )-: Thanks to all for the help. arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110418144530.ga1...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): package xserver-xorg-video-intel leads to blank screen on reboot
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 04:47:10PM +0200, Davide Baldini wrote: Wikipedia reads: Support for Intel GMA graphic cards has been accepted in version 2.6.29 which was released on March 23, 2009. May it be easier to try a prior 2.6.29 kernel instead of disabling kms? Maybe - but squeeze kernel is 2.6.32, and i am reluctant to go backwards. At some stage between lenny and squeeze, there is this whole rigmarole of grub - grub2, and changes in udev, and dependency based booting etc. Downgrading the kernel may or may not lead there, but i would not go down that path, if i can help it. Disabling KMS solves the problem, as i wrote in another mail. Thanks for your help. arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110418145245.gb1...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): package xserver-xorg-video-intel leads to blank screen on reboot
Arvind, 11.04.2011: Over the weekend, i had time to investigate some more. I purged Xorg and all its dependencies. Since my graphics card is intel, X only requires xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-video-vesa, xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and xinit (for startx). I installed each of these packages alone, and rebooted the machine. It is only the xserver-xorg-video-intel package that leads to a blank screen on reboot. When i purge this package and install the other three X packages, the problem does not recur on rebooting. So presently, i am running X only using the generic vesa video driver. That would perhaps lead to a sub-optimal use of the video card capabilities. But the only workaround is to purge xserver-xorg-video-intel before every shutdown, and reinstall it after every boot. I do not like that option. A clarification: both xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-oxrg-video-vesa depend on xserver-xorg-core. I have checked and made sure that xserver-xorg-core and its dependencies do not cause this problem. It is specifically (and only) the package xserver-xorg-video-intel. One more clarification: i have not installed X/G/KDM, so X should not (try to) start at boot. Davide had suggested that as a possibility. I don't think xserver-xorg-video-intel package alone should lead to X starting at boot. In summary, if i do 1) an absolute minimal installation of debian amd64 on a macbook (see above for configuration details of the machine), 2) install the package xserver-xorg-video-intel and 3) reboot then the kernel gets selected at the grub prompt, i see few lines scrolling down, and then the screen goes blank. I can ssh to the machine so i know it does complete the booting process. Could it be related to KMS? I really don't have much experience with KMS but from reading messages on this list I got the feeling it's something that can affect (i.e. possibly screw up) both the console and X together, which sounds like your problem. You might want to look at http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting and try the advice under the section Disabling KMS... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110415084135.ga15...@cs.utexas.edu
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): package xserver-xorg-video-intel leads to blank screen on reboot
Wikipedia reads: Support for Intel GMA graphic cards has been accepted in version 2.6.29 which was released on March 23, 2009. May it be easier to try a prior 2.6.29 kernel instead of disabling kms? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4da85a6e.8090...@gmail.com
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): package xserver-xorg-video-intel leads to blank screen on reboot
Hello Jerome, Am putting this back on the list. Hello List, you may want to specify further your Mac: what is the output of the following command ? /usr/sbin/dmidecode -s system-product-name MacBook4,1 Thanks, arvind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/22727.117.192.101.66.1302714074.squir...@lavabit.com
Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): package xserver-xorg-video-intel leads to blank screen on reboot
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:42:49PM +0530, Arvind wrote: Hello, I am trying to install debian squeeze amd64 on my girlfriend's macbook. It already has OS X installed, so this is a dual boot system. Following are the hardware specifications: System: Apple macbook, Intel core 2 duo - T8100 @ 2.10GHz, 1 GB RAM As explained on the debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial i installed OS X initially, installed rEFIt, and then did an absolute minimal install of debian squeeze amd64 on the rest of the hard disk. For what it is worth, my filesystem structure has /boot and swap on separate partitions, and / /usr /usr/local /var /tmp and /home on lvm. I have used ext4 filesystem on all the partitions. At the stage of minimal installation, rEFIt menu provided options to boot into both OS X and debian gnu/linux. When i selected gnu/linux, it booted as expected, and provided a console prompt. I could log in and work. At this stage, i installed some other necessary softwares such as openssh, gnu screen etc. Next, i did: aptitude install xorg icewm It installed everything alright. I created a .xinitrc file with the lines: -- #!/bin/bash exec icewm-session -- and issued the command 'startx' (as user). X started, and i could get the default icewm setup. So far, so good. However, when i rebooted the machine, and selected gnu/linux at the rEFIt prompt, it showed the grub selection menu, selected the default kernel, showed a few more lines scrolling down and then the screen just went blank. I could not make out if it was doing anything at all. So i took the machine to my workplace, put it on a network and found that i could ssh to the machine. So i presume it is a video driver problem. Over the weekend, i had time to investigate some more. I purged Xorg and all its dependencies. Since my graphics card is intel, X only requires xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-video-vesa, xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and xinit (for startx). I installed each of these packages alone, and rebooted the machine. It is only the xserver-xorg-video-intel package that leads to a blank screen on reboot. When i purge this package and install the other three X packages, the problem does not recur on rebooting. So presently, i am running X only using the generic vesa video driver. That would perhaps lead to a sub-optimal use of the video card capabilities. But the only workaround is to purge xserver-xorg-video-intel before every shutdown, and reinstall it after every boot. I do not like that option. A clarification: both xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-oxrg-video-vesa depend on xserver-xorg-core. I have checked and made sure that xserver-xorg-core and its dependencies do not cause this problem. It is specifically (and only) the package xserver-xorg-video-intel. One more clarification: i have not installed X/G/KDM, so X should not (try to) start at boot. Davide had suggested that as a possibility. I don't think xserver-xorg-video-intel package alone should lead to X starting at boot. In summary, if i do 1) an absolute minimal installation of debian amd64 on a macbook (see above for configuration details of the machine), 2) install the package xserver-xorg-video-intel and 3) reboot then the kernel gets selected at the grub prompt, i see few lines scrolling down, and then the screen goes blank. I can ssh to the machine so i know it does complete the booting process. Thanks for any pointers. arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110411155322.ga21...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): Xorg installation leads to blank screen on reboot
On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 11:27:48PM +0200, Davide Baldini wrote: GM965 graphics controller is well supported now and should work on defaults with your 2.6.32-5 kernel. By the first boot you told to start X you needed to manually issue startx. But since the second boot, standing at your description, the blanked screen after some textlines rolled up, would suggest me X is trying to run by itself. No, as far as i can tell, X is not trying to start at boot - i have not installed packages such as X/G/KDM, which do that. As you can see from my other mail in this thread (with changed subject line), i have narrowed down the problem to the package xserver-xorg-video-intel. When that package is installed, even if i select recovery mode at the grub prompt, i eventually reach a black screen. I think that should rule out any possibility of X trying to start at boot and causing a blank screen. If you made some changes or installs in between, I'd check them, especially regarding hald and xorg.conf. No, i haven't. Thanks, arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110411160659.ga1...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): Xorg installation leads to blank screen on reboot
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 05:04:41AM -0400, shawn wilson wrote: You must be really comfortable in your relationship (or want a quick escape from it) :) :-) She is no geek, and is not passionate about computers, but fortunately she prefers the keyboard over the mouse/touchpad, and if she is told about some of the basic keyboard shortcuts, she manages very well. Since a basic X + window manager setup allows that, she prefers it over windows or OS X. That way, i am lucky :-) At any rate, a virtual might serve you better. Either way, to debug this you should start without x - run level 1 IIRC. Or switch to another vt. Then, you can see what's happening - ps, tail -f, etc. As you can see from my other mail in this thread (with changed subject line), i have narrowed down the problem to the package xserver-xorg-video-intel. As i mentioned in my reply to Davide, when that package is installed, even if i select recovery mode at the grub prompt, i eventually reach a black screen. Also, when i get a blank screen, i have tried key combinations such as ctrl-alt-fn-F1/2/3/4/5/6 - nothing, the screen remains blank. So i have no way of using any VT. Btw, did you include the xorg log? I didn't. I am at my workplace, and the machine is at my home, so cannot do it right away. But it gets generated only when X starts, right? So suppose i install the package xserver-xorg-video-intel, then issue the 'startx' command, and attach the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. But the blank screen problem will occur when i reboot. So would the xorg log file help? Thanks, arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110411162112.gb1...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): Xorg installation leads to blank screen on reboot
You must be really comfortable in your relationship (or want a quick escape from it) :) At any rate, a virtual might serve you better. Either way, to debug this you should start without x - run level 1 IIRC. Or switch to another vt. Then, you can see what's happening - ps, tail -f, etc. Btw, did you include the xorg log?
Re: Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): Xorg installation leads to blank screen on reboot
GM965 graphics controller is well supported now and should work on defaults with your 2.6.32-5 kernel. By the first boot you told to start X you needed to manually issue startx. But since the second boot, standing at your description, the blanked screen after some textlines rolled up, would suggest me X is trying to run by itself. If you made some changes or installs in between, I'd check them, especially regarding hald and xorg.conf. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/inqj0l$ne$1...@dough.gmane.org
Debian on a Macbook (Leopard): Xorg installation leads to blank screen on reboot
Hello, I am trying to install debian squeeze amd64 on my girlfriend's macbook. It already has OS X installed, so this is a dual boot system. Following are the hardware specifications: System: Apple macbook, Intel core 2 duo - T8100 @ 2.10GHz, 1 GB RAM As explained on the debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial i installed OS X initially, installed rEFIt, and then did an absolute minimal install of debian squeeze amd64 on the rest of the hard disk. For what it is worth, my filesystem structure has /boot and swap on separate partitions, and / /usr /usr/local /var /tmp and /home on lvm. I have used ext4 filesystem on all the partitions. At the stage of minimal installation, rEFIt menu provided options to boot into both OS X and debian gnu/linux. When i selected gnu/linux, it booted as expected, and provided a console prompt. I could log in and work. At this stage, i installed some other necessary softwares such as openssh, gnu screen etc. Next, i did: aptitude install xorg icewm It installed everything alright. I created a .xinitrc file with the lines: -- #!/bin/bash exec icewm-session -- and issued the command 'startx' (as user). X started, and i could get the default icewm setup. So far, so good. However, when i rebooted the machine, and selected gnu/linux at the rEFIt prompt, it showed the grub selection menu, selected the default kernel, showed a few more lines scrolling down and then the screen just went blank. I could not make out if it was doing anything at all. So i took the machine to my workplace, put it on a network and found that i could ssh to the machine. So i presume it is a video driver problem. Here is the relevant output of 'lspci -v' -- 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Apple Computer Inc. Device 00a1 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28 Memory at 5010 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M] Memory at 4000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] I/O ports at 6110 [size=8] Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled] Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 3 Kernel driver in use: i915 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) Subsystem: Apple Computer Inc. Device 00a1 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Memory at 5020 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M] Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 3 -- Do i need to create an xorg.conf specifying some driver, modules etc.? Or the problem is elsewhere? Below, i have also attached the output of dmesg, where few other lines also appear problematic. Any help appreciated. This is my first brush with an apple macbook, but i am not new to debian gnu/linux. Thanks, arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. Output of dmesg: -- [0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset [0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu [0.00] Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-31) (b...@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 21:35:22 UTC 2011 [0.00] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vg-root ro quiet [0.00] KERNEL supported cpus: [0.00] Intel GenuineIntel [0.00] AMD AuthenticAMD [0.00] Centaur CentaurHauls [0.00] BIOS-provided physical RAM map: [0.00] BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 000e - 0010 (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 0010 - 3dd31000 (usable) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3dd31000 - 3df32000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3df32000 - 3dfe4000 (ACPI data) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3dfe4000 - 3dfe6000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3dfe6000 - 3eec3000 (ACPI data) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3eec3000 - 3eec5000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3eec5000 - 3eec8000 (ACPI data) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3eec8000 - 3eecb000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3eecb000 - 3eecc000 (ACPI data) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3eecc000 - 3eedf000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 3eedf000 - 3eef9000 (ACPI data) [
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Dear list, I'm struggling with a problem I have a hard time fixing myself. I'm running lenny originally installed form a weekly-build netinst. Two days ago, the automatic update thingy suggested upgrading a few packages, among them libc6 (from 2.6-2 to 2.6.1-1) Problem is, the installation of libc6 failed, and since then all programs just segfault. I have tried a number of rescue operations, but it's not easy: - dpkg --root= doesn't work here, because the pre/post scripts are run in the (broken) chroot environment and also segfault, - I've tried to copy all files used by /bin/bash from a known good system (i.e. the binary and all libs reported by ldd), but still no luck: it keeps segfaulting. - It's hard to see where it segfaults: debuggers in the installation segfault, those outside see only the chroot process. - I can't simply reinstall from the installer over the existing system for the same reason: the installer chroots inside /target and there everything just segfaults. I've also tried the radical way of removing /lib, /bin, /etc/ld.so*. That seemed to work but a subsequent upgrade brought me to the same point again. Luckily I was able to note down the exact error messages: Preparing to replace libc6 2.6-2 (using .../libc6_2.6.1-1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libc6 ... Setting up libc6 (2.6.1-1) Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/glibc.sh ... /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 320: 23349 Segmantation Fault dpkg --compare-versions $preversion lt 2.3.5-1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 320: 23350 Segmentation Fault iconvconfig /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 20: 23351 Segmentation Fault update-rc.d $@ /dev/null dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139 I've found no bug that looks related. Did anyone experience this? Should I file a bug? What is the best way out of this? Thanks, and cheers michel - Michel Lanners | Read Philosophy. Study Art. 23, Rue Paul Henkes|Ask Questions. Make Mistakes. L-1710 Luxembourg | email [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.cpu.lu/~mlan| Learn Always. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have just got sarge installed in a IBM Netfinity 3500, with kde and gnome. Everything is running smoothly, except for a kde glitch: When I scroll a window contents (by getting a new line in a console window or by using the scroll bar in an text editor o web browse), I frequently experience a momentary desktop freeze and a blank block appears on the screen. The freeze then goes away by itself, and the blank area on the scree can be refreshed by moving an window over it or by triggering somo other kind of widget repaint. There is no such problem with gnome. I have tried metacity with KDE (su - ret passwd ret /usr/bin/metacity --replace ,ret), but it does not change anything, the problem remains. I've googled around for refresh, blank, redraw, scroll, freeze, kde and stuff like that, and got no relevant hits. I'm using: xserver-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 The display is: S3 Savage 4 (rev.02), running at 1600x1200, 24bit A bit later, I switched to stable (now, Sarge). Unfortunately, the problem remains. I'm puzzled. Any hints? Thanks in advance, Joao -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Enrico Zini) writes: Isn't there any possibility of getting my apt-get work again? Thanks for all of you who have any clue and tell me. I can't recall the precise details, however I solved this issue by removing libxcursor-dev and xlibs-dev, including depending packages. In the end, it was only -dev libraries. Well, I can. Late this night I tried (after the read of the famous Debian GNU/Linux user manual) deselect. My shell's history says the precise statements were dpkg -r kdelibs4-dev, followed by continuing the installation of kopete with apt-get install kopete. Now, the strange thing about this is that kopete works well. I don't have a clue about that behaviour and I can't even explain it to myself. Removing necessarily needed packages doesn't seem to affect kopete. Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get install leads to much trouble
Hello! After doing apt-get install kopete I got a message saying that libqt3-mt-dev depended on libxcursor-dev and I should try apt-get install -f which I did and what resulted in trying to install libxcursor-dev. Unfortunately this didn't work, printing out something like: Unpacking libxcursor-dev (from .../libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite »/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h«, which is in package xlibs-dev as well Errors occurred while processing of /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What I want now is *not* to get this, ahm, strange kopete working but remove the changes it made. Hope, that's not too difficult, is it? Yours Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:15:19 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Moritz Beller) wrote: Unfortunately this didn't work, printing out something like: Unpacking libxcursor-dev (from .../libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite »/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h«, which is in package xlibs-dev as well Errors occurred while processing of /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What I want now is *not* to get this, ahm, strange kopete working but remove the changes it made. A simple deinstallation of libxcursor-dev followed by a reinstall of xlibs-dev should do the trick. And as for Kopete, I'd wait for some KDE 3.2 packages. -- Got Backup? Jabber: Shadowdancer at jabber.fsinf.de pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Nicos Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A simple deinstallation of libxcursor-dev followed by a reinstall of xlibs-dev should do the trick. The thing is that by typing apt-get remove libxcursor-dev (which should remove it, shouldn't it?) I get: package libxcursor-dev is not installed, and is therefore not being removed You may want to call apt-get -f install to correct this: The following packages have unaccomplished bindings: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends on: libxcursor-dev but should not be installed And as for Kopete, I'd wait for some KDE 3.2 packages. In fact, I'm using version 3.1.5. Isn't there any possibility of getting my apt-get work again? Thanks for all of you who have any clue and tell me. - Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:49:30PM +0100, Moritz Beller wrote: Isn't there any possibility of getting my apt-get work again? Thanks for all of you who have any clue and tell me. I can't recall the precise details, however I solved this issue by removing libxcursor-dev and xlibs-dev, including depending packages. In the end, it was only -dev libraries. I used dselect to do it, to be able to fiddle swiftly with the dependencies. Ciao, Enrico -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT: Four leads = 10Mbit? (was: Network speed)
On Thursday 24 July 2003 16:00, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:50:48AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's running at 10Mbit, it will never be full duplex. If you're running at 100, then it could be full or half. If your network cables only have four leads connected, you're using 10. I?ve noticed that some of the most recent 100Mbit cards I've been buying (Genius low end cards, model GF100TXR4) have only four connection points on the RJ45 slot. However, the cards *do* work at 100Mbits. Anybody with the technical knowledge on the subject could please explain that? Why do 3Coms have all 8 leads, while low-end use only 4? how does it affect the quality of connection? Are all 8 leads really used? No, only 4 leads are needed for both 10 and 100 Mbit connections: http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo The other 4 are used for power over ethernet, 802.11af. It is only gigabit ethernet that uses all four pairs for data. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Four leads = 10Mbit? (was: Network speed)
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:50:48AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I?ve noticed that some of the most recent 100Mbit cards I've been buying (Genius low end cards, model GF100TXR4) have only four connection points on the RJ45 slot. However, the cards *do* work at 100Mbits. Anybody with the technical knowledge on the subject could please explain that? Why do 3Coms have all 8 leads, while low-end use only 4? how does it affect the quality of connection? Are all 8 leads really used? Only 4 wires (better to think of it as 2 pairs) are used, but I believe the better cards ground the others (or maybe just connect a resistor across each pair), so you don't get stray signals bouncing up and down the others, which you might if they were open ended. That could possibly cause crosstalk, and hence noise on the used pairs. But then I failed telecommunications theory, so someone else could probably explain it better ... Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Four leads = 10Mbit? (was: Network speed)
If it's running at 10Mbit, it will never be full duplex. If you're running at 100, then it could be full or half. If your network cables only have four leads connected, you're using 10. I´ve noticed that some of the most recent 100Mbit cards I've been buying (Genius low end cards, model GF100TXR4) have only four connection points on the RJ45 slot. However, the cards *do* work at 100Mbits. Anybody with the technical knowledge on the subject could please explain that? Why do 3Coms have all 8 leads, while low-end use only 4? how does it affect the quality of connection? Are all 8 leads really used? Regards, Breno Moiana - Analista de Suporte - Partek Forest Ltda. fone: +55 41 6672828 fax: +55 41 6673100 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life. Ciência é conhecimento organizado. Sabedoria é vida organizada. -- Immanuel Kant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Four leads = 10Mbit? (was: Network speed)
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:50:48AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's running at 10Mbit, it will never be full duplex. If you're running at 100, then it could be full or half. If your network cables only have four leads connected, you're using 10. I?ve noticed that some of the most recent 100Mbit cards I've been buying (Genius low end cards, model GF100TXR4) have only four connection points on the RJ45 slot. However, the cards *do* work at 100Mbits. Anybody with the technical knowledge on the subject could please explain that? Why do 3Coms have all 8 leads, while low-end use only 4? how does it affect the quality of connection? Are all 8 leads really used? No, only 4 leads are needed for both 10 and 100 Mbit connections: http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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