Re: lvm2 on top of dm-crypt - how to add new hard disk

2013-08-21 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:19:40PM -0300, Luther Blissett wrote:
> My initial guess was that it should be possible to extend this
> encryption scheme to the new hard disk using standard lvm tools and the
> unencrypted "open" disk as physical volume to the already existing
> volume group. However, after some research the nearest I got was someone
> who added the disk while creating a new volume group:
> 
> http://earlruby.org/2010/02/adding-an-external-encrypted-drive-with-lvm-to-ubuntu-linux/comment-page-1/
> 
> and this arch wiki saying I should better have the reverse: luks on lvm.
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Encrypted_LVM#Spanned.2FMultiple_Disks
> 
> But it does not state it is impossible, it just says that it requires
> modifying the "encrypted hook". Also, it's clear that once this is done,

Yes, you could do what you're after if you had luks on lvm. If there
is a way for luks to span multiple disks, I'm not aware of it. The
best suggestion I can think of is to simply set the new drive up as a
physical volume, and put new volume groups on it. You can mount
volumes from the second drive to wherever you need more space in the
original drive. If that's not possible, you should be able to move
logical volumes from the first drive to the second drive to make room
on the first drive.

> if one disk fails, the system will be unbootable.

Another reason to just put a new volume group or groups on the new
drive instead of extending the existing group or groups if that is possible.

> 
> So my question is: have anyone here ever done that? How to I tell init
> to unlock both disks before mapping lvm?

If you're asking how to decrypt a luks volume in place, I know of such
a way. If you're asking how encrypted volumes are opened during boot,
have a look at the crypttab(5) man page.

Greg


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lvm2 on top of dm-crypt - how to add new hard disk

2013-08-21 Thread Luther Blissett
Hello folks,

So I might better ask before attempting something stupid. I need to add
a new hard drive to an encrypted debian box. The encryption scheme was
set using debian installer defaults which resulted in just /dev/sda1
-> /boot outside block device encryption. Everything else is encrypted
and lvm is used instead of ordinary partitions.

My initial guess was that it should be possible to extend this
encryption scheme to the new hard disk using standard lvm tools and the
unencrypted "open" disk as physical volume to the already existing
volume group. However, after some research the nearest I got was someone
who added the disk while creating a new volume group:

http://earlruby.org/2010/02/adding-an-external-encrypted-drive-with-lvm-to-ubuntu-linux/comment-page-1/

and this arch wiki saying I should better have the reverse: luks on lvm.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Encrypted_LVM#Spanned.2FMultiple_Disks

But it does not state it is impossible, it just says that it requires
modifying the "encrypted hook". Also, it's clear that once this is done,
if one disk fails, the system will be unbootable.

So my question is: have anyone here ever done that? How to I tell init
to unlock both disks before mapping lvm?

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lvm2 on top of dm-crypt - how to add new hard disk

2013-08-21 Thread Luther Blissett
Hello folks,

So I might better ask before attempting something stupid. I need to add
a new hard drive to an encrypted debian box. The encryption scheme was
set using debian installer defaults which resulted in just /dev/sda1
-> /boot outside block device encryption. Everything else is encrypted
and lvm is used instead of ordinary partitions.

My initial guess was that it should be possible to extend this
encryption scheme to the new hard disk using standard lvm tools and the
unencrypted "open" disk as physical volume to the already existing
volume group. However, after some research the nearest I got was someone
who added the disk while creating a new volume group:

http://earlruby.org/2010/02/adding-an-external-encrypted-drive-with-lvm-to-ubuntu-linux/comment-page-1/

and this arch wiki saying I should better have the reverse: luks on lvm.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Encrypted_LVM#Spanned.2FMultiple_Disks

But it does not state it is impossible, it just says that it requires
modifying the "encrypted hook". Also, it's clear that once this is done,
if one disk fails, the system will be unbootable.

So my question is: have anyone here ever done that? How to I tell init
to unlock both disks before mapping lvm?





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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Huang, Tao  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Tom H  wrote:
> [snip]
>> mdadm assembles an array according to data in the superblock so it
>> shouldn't matter whether the kernel recognizes sda and sdb as sdb and
>> sda respectively should you plug them in differently.
>
> so they's recognized with data in the superblock,
> that even uuid doesn't matter?

UUIDs are held in superblocks.


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-18 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 09:08:41PM +0800, Huang, Tao wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Michal  wrote:
> > This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
> > drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
> > read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
> > checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
> > need to take each HDD out to check :)
> 
> I think the allocating of /dev/sdX depends on the order you plug the
> drives into the machine.
> so it changes over reconfiguring of the hardwares, which makes your
> labels useless.
> 
> can someone confirm this?
> 
I had something like this happen on a Lenny amd64 system.  The drive
identifications (/dev/sdX) switched after I performed a kernel upgrade.
If I booted the old kernel, they were back to normal.  That's when I
learned about UUID's...

-Rob


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-18 Thread Huang, Tao
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Tom H  wrote:
[snip]
> mdadm assembles an array according to data in the superblock so it
> shouldn't matter whether the kernel recognizes sda and sdb as sdb and
> sda respectively should you plug them in differently.

so they's recognized with data in the superblock,
that even uuid doesn't matter?


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-18 Thread Michal
>> But how can this be correct when each raid partion is linked to the
>> HDD/Partions
>>
>>
>> # cat /proc/mdstat
>> Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
>> md3 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1]
>>  716796096 blocks [2/2] [UU]
>>
>> md2 : active raid1 sda5[0] sdb5[1]
>>  51199040 blocks [2/2] [UU]
>>
>> md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
>>  513984 blocks [2/2] [UU]
>>
>> md1 : active raid1 sda3[0] sdb3[1]
>>  102398208 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> 
> mdadm assembles an array according to data in the superblock so it
> shouldn't matter whether the kernel recognizes sda and sdb as sdb and
> sda respectively should you plug them in differently.
> 
> 

A good point. Noted


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-18 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Michal  wrote:
> On 17/06/2010 14:08, Huang, Tao wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Michal  wrote:
>>> This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
>>> drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
>>> read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
>>> checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
>>> need to take each HDD out to check :)
>>
>> I think the allocating of /dev/sdX depends on the order you plug the
>> drives into the machine.
>> so it changes over reconfiguring of the hardwares, which makes your
>> labels useless.
>>
>> can someone confirm this?
>>
>>
>> Tao
>>
>>
>
> But how can this be correct when each raid partion is linked to the
> HDD/Partions
>
>
> # cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> md3 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1]
>      716796096 blocks [2/2] [UU]
>
> md2 : active raid1 sda5[0] sdb5[1]
>      51199040 blocks [2/2] [UU]
>
> md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
>      513984 blocks [2/2] [UU]
>
> md1 : active raid1 sda3[0] sdb3[1]
>      102398208 blocks [2/2] [UU]

mdadm assembles an array according to data in the superblock so it
shouldn't matter whether the kernel recognizes sda and sdb as sdb and
sda respectively should you plug them in differently.


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-18 Thread Michal
On 17/06/2010 14:08, Huang, Tao wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Michal  wrote:
>> This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
>> drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
>> read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
>> checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
>> need to take each HDD out to check :)
> 
> I think the allocating of /dev/sdX depends on the order you plug the
> drives into the machine.
> so it changes over reconfiguring of the hardwares, which makes your
> labels useless.
> 
> can someone confirm this?
> 
> 
> Tao
> 
> 

But how can this be correct when each raid partion is linked to the
HDD/Partions


# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
md3 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1]
  716796096 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md2 : active raid1 sda5[0] sdb5[1]
  51199040 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
  513984 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active raid1 sda3[0] sdb3[1]
  102398208 blocks [2/2] [UU]

unused devices: 


for example?


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-17 Thread Huang, Tao
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Michal  wrote:
> This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
> drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
> read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
> checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
> need to take each HDD out to check :)

I think the allocating of /dev/sdX depends on the order you plug the
drives into the machine.
so it changes over reconfiguring of the hardwares, which makes your
labels useless.

can someone confirm this?


Tao


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Michal  [2010.06.17.1017 +0200]:
> This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
> drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
> read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
> checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
> need to take each HDD out to check :)

Instead, I suggest you stop using /dev/sdX everywhere and only use
/dev/disk/by-id/*. And/or file a bug against the kernel to request
that /proc/mdstat should list the ID.

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-17 Thread Steven

On Thu, June 17, 2010 10:17, Michal wrote:
> On 16/06/2010 19:00, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
>> Just do "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/". The disks will have factory labels
>> with serial-numbers to match.
>>
>
> This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
> drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
> read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
> checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
> need to take each HDD out to check :)
>
Excellent, thank you both, this seems like the fastest/best way.
Backups and RAID is one thing, but they're both useless if you can't
recover :)

Kind regards,
Steven

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-17 Thread Michal
On 16/06/2010 19:00, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
> Steven skrev:
>> How to identify which drive has failed in an array?
>>
>> I have 6 disks, 4 are used in raid (mdadm), the other 2 contain /boot, /
>> and /home.
>> /dev/sdc
>> /dev/sdd
>> /dev/sde
>> /dev/sdf
>> Each have 1 partition.
>> /dev/md0 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1
>> /dev/md1 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1
>>
>> If a drive fails, how do I know which drive? This is a desktop system,
>> not
>> a server.
>>
>>   
> 
> Just do "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/". The disks will have factory labels
> with serial-numbers to match.
> 

This is a better way then disconnecting the drive and checking which
drive was disconnected like I did, but I would still put a very easy to
read label on the drive to say /dev/sdX. It would be far easier then
checking a long serial number, especially if it's hard to read and you'd
need to take each HDD out to check :)


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-17 Thread Steven

On Wed, June 16, 2010 17:30, Michal wrote:
>
> Sorry I really didnt explain my self propely;
>
> Yes I mean /dev/sde and by lable I mean get a lable machine (or
> somehting similar) to put a physical lable on the drive, like a sticker
> with text saying /dev/sde
>
> I did this in one machine and simply built my RAID1 array across two
> drives, disconnected a drive, booted back up check mdstat to see which
> one was now disconnected and labled that one, then labled the second
> one. It's not a brilliant way I will admit but it works perfectly well.
> I tested it 3 times (connecting the drive back, rebuild array,
> disconnecting the other drive etc) to really make sure I had labled them
> correctly.
>
Ah, now I get it, I had no idea how to know which drive to put the right
label on.

Thanks.


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-17 Thread Steven

On Wed, June 16, 2010 17:30, Michal wrote:
>
> Sorry I really didnt explain my self propely;
>
> Yes I mean /dev/sde and by lable I mean get a lable machine (or
> somehting similar) to put a physical lable on the drive, like a sticker
> with text saying /dev/sde
>
> I did this in one machine and simply built my RAID1 array across two
> drives, disconnected a drive, booted back up check mdstat to see which
> one was now disconnected and labled that one, then labled the second
> one. It's not a brilliant way I will admit but it works perfectly well.
> I tested it 3 times (connecting the drive back, rebuild array,
> disconnecting the other drive etc) to really make sure I had labled them
> correctly.
>
Ah, now I get it, I had no idea how to know which drive to put the right
label on.

Thanks.


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Håkon Alstadheim

Steven skrev:

How to identify which drive has failed in an array?

I have 6 disks, 4 are used in raid (mdadm), the other 2 contain /boot, /
and /home.
/dev/sdc
/dev/sdd
/dev/sde
/dev/sdf
Each have 1 partition.
/dev/md0 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1
/dev/md1 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1

If a drive fails, how do I know which drive? This is a desktop system, not
a server.

  


Just do "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/". The disks will have factory labels 
with serial-numbers to match.


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Bob Weber
 Use smartctl from the smartmontools package.  If mdadm says that /dev/sdc (or 
cat /proc/mdstat) is at fault then use "smartctl -a /dev/sdc" and it will print 
out all kinds of info on the drive including its serial number which should be 
on a sticker on the case of the drive.


The programs included with smartmontools might have warned you of an impending 
failure.  I have a smart self long test run om my drives 2 times a week.


*...Bob*

On 06/16/2010 09:32 AM, Steven wrote:

On Wed, June 16, 2010 13:13, Siju George wrote:

Hope some one finds this helpful :-)

--Siju

Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault.
=


Thanks, this might prove useful.
However I do have a question... which might be just as important.

How to identify which drive has failed in an array?

I have 6 disks, 4 are used in raid (mdadm), the other 2 contain /boot, /
and /home.
/dev/sdc
/dev/sdd
/dev/sde
/dev/sdf
Each have 1 partition.
/dev/md0 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1
/dev/md1 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1

If a drive fails, how do I know which drive? This is a desktop system, not
a server.



Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Michal
On 16/06/2010 15:50, Steven wrote:
> 
> On Wed, June 16, 2010 15:47, Michal wrote:
>>
>> One way is to label the disks themselves so you simply do;
>>
>> cat /proc/mdstat which might say /dev/sd3 is down. Open the case, look
>> for the disk labled /dev/sde and replace it. If you have LED's like
>> servers have (probably not) they can be a fiddle to get working but it's
>> possible
>>
> No LED's for drives, it already has them for every pci slot,
> looks like a Christmas tree :)
> 
> I think you meant /dev/sde instead of sd3, right? If not, please correct me.
> If I'm not mistaken, mdadm will report the broken drive,
> then I have to look for the drive that corresponds to the 4th sata slot on
> the motherboard.
> That's part of my issue, can I be sure that the drive connected to port 4
> is /dev/sde?
> It's not a problem for the other 2 drives, as they differ in capacity,
> but these 4 are exactly the same size.
> 
> Also how accurate is mdadm in identifying the failed drive?
> As there are only 2 in an array, there is only 1 copy of the data to
> compare to.
> 
> It also seems my last message was sent twice, sorry about that.
> 

Sorry I really didnt explain my self propely;

Yes I mean /dev/sde and by lable I mean get a lable machine (or
somehting similar) to put a physical lable on the drive, like a sticker
with text saying /dev/sde

I did this in one machine and simply built my RAID1 array across two
drives, disconnected a drive, booted back up check mdstat to see which
one was now disconnected and labled that one, then labled the second
one. It's not a brilliant way I will admit but it works perfectly well.
I tested it 3 times (connecting the drive back, rebuild array,
disconnecting the other drive etc) to really make sure I had labled them
correctly.


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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Steven

On Wed, June 16, 2010 15:47, Michal wrote:
>
> One way is to label the disks themselves so you simply do;
>
> cat /proc/mdstat which might say /dev/sd3 is down. Open the case, look
> for the disk labled /dev/sde and replace it. If you have LED's like
> servers have (probably not) they can be a fiddle to get working but it's
> possible
>
No LED's for drives, it already has them for every pci slot,
looks like a Christmas tree :)

I think you meant /dev/sde instead of sd3, right? If not, please correct me.
If I'm not mistaken, mdadm will report the broken drive,
then I have to look for the drive that corresponds to the 4th sata slot on
the motherboard.
That's part of my issue, can I be sure that the drive connected to port 4
is /dev/sde?
It's not a problem for the other 2 drives, as they differ in capacity,
but these 4 are exactly the same size.

Also how accurate is mdadm in identifying the failed drive?
As there are only 2 in an array, there is only 1 copy of the data to
compare to.

It also seems my last message was sent twice, sorry about that.

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Steven

On Wed, June 16, 2010 13:13, Siju George wrote:
> Hope some one finds this helpful :-)
>
> --Siju
>
> Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault.
> =
>

Thanks, this might prove useful.
However I do have a question... which might be just as important.

How to identify which drive has failed in an array?

I have 6 disks, 4 are used in raid (mdadm), the other 2 contain /boot, /
and /home.
/dev/sdc
/dev/sdd
/dev/sde
/dev/sdf
Each have 1 partition.
/dev/md0 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1
/dev/md1 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1

If a drive fails, how do I know which drive? This is a desktop system, not
a server.

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Michal

> 
> Thanks, this might prove useful.
> However I do have a question... which might be just as important.
> 
> How to identify which drive has failed in an array?
> 
> I have 6 disks, 4 are used in raid (mdadm), the other 2 contain /boot, /
> and /home.
> /dev/sdc
> /dev/sdd
> /dev/sde
> /dev/sdf
> Each have 1 partition.
> /dev/md0 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1
> /dev/md1 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1
> 
> If a drive fails, how do I know which drive? This is a desktop system, not
> a server.
> 

One way is to label the disks themselves so you simply do;

cat /proc/mdstat which might say /dev/sd3 is down. Open the case, look
for the disk labled /dev/sde and replace it. If you have LED's like
servers have (probably not) they can be a fiddle to get working but it's
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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Steven

On Wed, June 16, 2010 13:13, Siju George wrote:
> Hope some one finds this helpful :-)
>
> --Siju
>
> Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault.
> =
>

Thanks, this might prove useful.
However I do have a question... which might be just as important.

How to identify which drive has failed in an array?

I have 6 disks, 4 are used in raid (mdadm), the other 2 contain /boot, /
and /home.
/dev/sdc
/dev/sdd
/dev/sde
/dev/sdf
Each have 1 partition.
/dev/md0 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1
/dev/md1 (raid 1) consists of /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1

If a drive fails, how do I know which drive? This is a desktop system, not
a server.

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Siju George  [2010.06.16.1402 +0200]:
> > "Manually" is for Mac users. ;)
> 
> these days every one has left windows and are picking on Mac ? :-)

"Reinstalling" is for Windows users.

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Siju George
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:06 PM, martin f krafft  wrote:
> also sprach Siju George  [2010.06.16.1322 +0200]:
>> > sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
>>
>> oh thanks :-)
>>
>> I did it manually using fdisk
>
> "Manually" is for Mac users. ;)
>

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Siju George  [2010.06.16.1322 +0200]:
> > sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
> 
> oh thanks :-)
> 
> I did it manually using fdisk

"Manually" is for Mac users. ;)

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Siju George
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, martin f krafft  wrote:
> also sprach Siju George  [2010.06.16.1313 +0200]:
>> 2) Create identical partitions on the new disk using 'fdisk'.
>
> sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
>

oh thanks :-)

I did it manually using fdisk

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Re: Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Siju George  [2010.06.16.1313 +0200]:
> 2) Create identical partitions on the new disk using 'fdisk'.

sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb

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Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault - Howto with screen shots

2010-06-16 Thread Siju George
Hope some one finds this helpful :-)

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Rebuilding RAID 1 Array in Linux with a new hard disk after a disk fault.
=

** Actual screen shot from terminal of steps taken during rebuild on
10-June-2010 on Debian Lenny ( Linux )**


1) Check the partitions layout on the current hard disk



srv1:~# fdisk /dev/sda

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 60801.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xdd6e

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1 122  979933+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sda2 1231338 9767520   fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sda313392554 9767520   fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sda42555   60801   467869027+  fd  Linux raid autodetect

Command (m for help):  quit

srv1:~#



2) Create identical partitions on the new disk using 'fdisk'.



Partition Id should be 'fd' for all RAID partitions. The resulting
layout should look like.

srv1:~# fdisk /dev/sdb

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 60801.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xe3a3a447

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   1 122  979933+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sdb2 1231338 9767520   fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sdb313392554 9767520   fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sdb42555   60801   467869027+  fd  Linux raid autodetect

Command (m for help): q

srv1:~#



3) Check the current RAID status

srv1:~# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1]
md3 : active raid1 sda4[1]
  467868928 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md2 : active raid1 sda3[1]
  9767424 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md1 : active raid1 sda2[1]
  9767424 blocks [2/1] [_U]

md0 : active raid1 sda1[1]
  979840 blocks [2/1] [_U]

unused devices:
srv1:~#

4) Rebuild the arrays and check thr status

srv1:~# mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1
mdadm: added /dev/sdb1
srv1:~# mdadm -a /dev/md1 /dev/sdb2
mdadm: added /dev/sdb2
srv1:~# mdadm -a /dev/md2 /dev/sdb3
mdadm: added /dev/sdb3

srv1:~# mdadm -a /dev/md3 /dev/sdb4
mdadm: added /dev/sdb4

srv1:~# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1]
md3 : active raid1 sdb4[2] sda4[1]
  467868928 blocks [2/1] [_U]
  [>]  recovery =  0.0% (285440/467868928)
finish=54.5min speed=142720K/sec

md2 : active raid1 sdb3[0] sda3[1]
  9767424 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active raid1 sdb2[0] sda2[1]
  9767424 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md0 : active raid1 sdb1[0] sda1[1]
  979840 blocks [2/2] [UU]

unused devices:
srv1:~#

5) Install grub on the MBR of new hard disk

srv1:~# grub-install /dev/sdb
Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.

(hd0)   /dev/sda
(hd1)   /dev/sdb
srv1:~#


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Re: partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-27 Thread roberto
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Ron Johnson  wrote:
>
> Which is the "real" XP partition, sda2 or sda5?
>
> If nothing's on sda5, then that should be more than enough for a laptop
> install.
>
it seems i am not an Xp expert anymore ...

i totally missed that the VAIO_ (aka D:) partition is totally empty :)

i'll place squeeze there
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Re: partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, roberto  wrote:

> hello,
> a friend gave me a laptop (sony vaio) where i want to install debian
> squeeze (in dual boot);
>
> [snip]

>
> how would you repartitionate the disk, since i have to leave a certain
> amount of space for Xp for other users ?
> i thought about installing debian next to the VAIO_ partition and then
> use the other partition VAIO for read and write
>

What I do in dual boot situations (starting from center of hdd working
towards the outside) is have 20 GB for XP, 20 GB for Debian (2 GB of that is
swap space), then a fat32 partition for the remainder of the disk called
"storage" or something similar, that gets mounted in XP as E: drive for
example, and in Debian by editing /etc/fstab.  I choose fat32 becuase of
it's native read/write support in Windows and Debian - ntfs could work
though with ntfs-3g.  You can use jkdefraggui (freeware) in XP to move all
files to the start of the partition before re-sizing so the re-partitioning
doesn't mess up XP.  It's worked for me several times when adding Debian to
an XP-only drive.

Just my thoughts, take or leave as you wish.  Good luck either way.

Mark


Re: partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-21 Thread Ron Johnson

On 05/21/2010 01:38 PM, roberto wrote:

hello,
a friend gave me a laptop (sony vaio) where i want to install debian
squeeze (in dual boot);
actually the disk is partitioned as follows (output from mount
command, #'s are my comments):

# total 82.25 GB 82.25 free, extended partition, ntfs
/dev/sda2 on /media/VAIO type fuseblk
(rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)

# total 93.14 GB, 60.35 free, primary partition, ntfs
/dev/sda5 on /media/VAIO_ type fuseblk
(rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)


how would you repartitionate the disk, since i have to leave a certain
amount of space for Xp for other users ?
i thought about installing debian next to the VAIO_ partition and then
use the other partition VAIO for read and write



Which is the "real" XP partition, sda2 or sda5?

If nothing's on sda5, then that should be more than enough for a 
laptop install.


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Re: partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-21 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri,21.May.10, 22:26:12, roberto wrote:
 
> actually, fdisk -l does not output nothing
> 
> i also tried to issue
> fdisk /dev/sda
> and it prints
> "unable to open /dev/sda"
> 
> i am using an ubuntu live cd

Try

sudo fdisk -l

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Re: partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-21 Thread roberto
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 20:38:53 +0200, roberto wrote:
>
>> hello,
>> a friend gave me a laptop (sony vaio) where i want to install debian
>> squeeze (in dual boot);
>> actually the disk is partitioned as follows (output from mount command,
>> #'s are my comments):
>
> (...)
>
> Better than "mount" issue "fdisk -l" and put the output.
>

actually, fdisk -l does not output nothing

i also tried to issue
fdisk /dev/sda
and it prints
"unable to open /dev/sda"

i am using an ubuntu live cd

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Re: partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-21 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 21 May 2010 20:38:53 +0200, roberto wrote:

> hello,
> a friend gave me a laptop (sony vaio) where i want to install debian
> squeeze (in dual boot);
> actually the disk is partitioned as follows (output from mount command,
> #'s are my comments):

(...)

Better than "mount" issue "fdisk -l" and put the output.

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partitioning a new hard disk

2010-05-21 Thread roberto
hello,
a friend gave me a laptop (sony vaio) where i want to install debian
squeeze (in dual boot);
actually the disk is partitioned as follows (output from mount
command, #'s are my comments):

# total 82.25 GB 82.25 free, extended partition, ntfs
/dev/sda2 on /media/VAIO type fuseblk
(rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)

# total 93.14 GB, 60.35 free, primary partition, ntfs
/dev/sda5 on /media/VAIO_ type fuseblk
(rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)


how would you repartitionate the disk, since i have to leave a certain
amount of space for Xp for other users ?
i thought about installing debian next to the VAIO_ partition and then
use the other partition VAIO for read and write

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Re: Mounting new hard disk in /dev/sdb

2009-12-19 Thread Steven Jones

Hi,

Use the label function in fstab

regards

Steven

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Jason Filippou wrote:
  

I recently installed a new SATA hard drive on my desktop system and I
noticed that Squeeze had, by default, mounted it in /dev/sda. This means
that recently, due to the popular GRUB failure that caused everybody
(including myself) a lot of grief, my Debian disk rescue mode was installing
the new GRUB on (hd0), which was, however, on the brand new disk (NTFS
formatted), which does not hold and will not hold any operating systems.
Thus, I was still seeing grub_printf_ as missing when I logged in. So I was
just wondering whether there was any way that I could plug in my new hard
drive and mount it on /dev/sdb, so that I can access it as (hd1) in GRUB
notation, next time the boot loader fails (which, I have to say, has been
reather frequent lately).



FWIW, you don't mount a disk on /dev/sdb. You mount it on whatever
directory you assign to it wihtin the / (root) file system. /dev/sdb is
the 'name' assigned to the *dev*ice by the kernel. In order to work
around some arbitraryness in this assignment due to disks present or not
on boot and/or different boot processes, you should mount by id or by
label.

I can't help you with the grub issues. (FWIW, lenny's grub works fine
for me.) You could try to switch cables or try to configure your bios to
access both disks in a specified, reproducible order.

HTH,
  




Re: Mounting new hard disk in /dev/sdb

2009-12-19 Thread Glenn English

> >On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Jason Filippou  
> >wrote:
> >So I was
> > just wondering whether there was any way that I could plug in my new hard
> > drive and mount it on /dev/sdb

Careful!


Define "new hard drive". What appears where in /dev is a function of your BIOS, 
the kernel, and udev.

If it's IDE, ATA, or ATAPI it shows up as a /dev/hd. And those seem to be 
nicely mapped to IDE controller number / master / slave. 

Unless it's serial-ATA, of course, in which case it's a /dev/sd :-/ 

All SCSI, SATA, and USB are a /dev/sd -- which sd depends on what your BIOS 
sees first at boot. My (Dell) servers look at the USB ports first, so a USB 
stick becomes /dev/sda. Then it looks for SATA, and finally SCSI. The Sun box 
looks at SCSI first...

So when my grub config said to load / off /dev/sda (Debian lenny installer 
default), and I accidentally left a USB stick in one of the ports, the machine 
wouldn't boot. I don't remember if (hd0) was hosed as well.

Oh. And the /dev directory is created by udev these days. It can name things 
anything it wants.


It's much more repeatable to specify the filesystem's UUID (vol_id /dev/sd??) 
instead of the device node. In both grub's config and in fstab.

I've never tried it, but I don't think you can mount anything on /dev/sdb -- 
that's a device node, not a filesystem node. But you can mount /dev/sdb on 
/mnt...

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Re: Mounting new hard disk in /dev/sdb

2009-12-19 Thread Mark
>On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Jason Filippou 
>wrote:
>So I was
> just wondering whether there was any way that I could plug in my new hard
> drive and mount it on /dev/sdb
If it's an internal hdd, all you need do is edit /etc/fstab to mount
/dev/sda to a directory of your choice automatically every time the computer
boots.

Mark


Re: Mounting new hard disk in /dev/sdb

2009-12-19 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Jason Filippou wrote:
> I recently installed a new SATA hard drive on my desktop system and I
> noticed that Squeeze had, by default, mounted it in /dev/sda. This means
> that recently, due to the popular GRUB failure that caused everybody
> (including myself) a lot of grief, my Debian disk rescue mode was installing
> the new GRUB on (hd0), which was, however, on the brand new disk (NTFS
> formatted), which does not hold and will not hold any operating systems.
> Thus, I was still seeing grub_printf_ as missing when I logged in. So I was
> just wondering whether there was any way that I could plug in my new hard
> drive and mount it on /dev/sdb, so that I can access it as (hd1) in GRUB
> notation, next time the boot loader fails (which, I have to say, has been
> reather frequent lately).

FWIW, you don't mount a disk on /dev/sdb. You mount it on whatever
directory you assign to it wihtin the / (root) file system. /dev/sdb is
the 'name' assigned to the *dev*ice by the kernel. In order to work
around some arbitraryness in this assignment due to disks present or not
on boot and/or different boot processes, you should mount by id or by
label.

I can't help you with the grub issues. (FWIW, lenny's grub works fine
for me.) You could try to switch cables or try to configure your bios to
access both disks in a specified, reproducible order.

HTH,
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Mounting new hard disk in /dev/sdb

2009-12-19 Thread Jason Filippou
Hello,

I recently installed a new SATA hard drive on my desktop system and I
noticed that Squeeze had, by default, mounted it in /dev/sda. This means
that recently, due to the popular GRUB failure that caused everybody
(including myself) a lot of grief, my Debian disk rescue mode was installing
the new GRUB on (hd0), which was, however, on the brand new disk (NTFS
formatted), which does not hold and will not hold any operating systems.
Thus, I was still seeing grub_printf_ as missing when I logged in. So I was
just wondering whether there was any way that I could plug in my new hard
drive and mount it on /dev/sdb, so that I can access it as (hd1) in GRUB
notation, next time the boot loader fails (which, I have to say, has been
reather frequent lately).

Thanks,

Jason


Re: Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Mike McCarty

Dom wrote:

On 12/22/05, Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]


I'm saying that I have run mkfs only now and it mounts.

Thanks really on that, it's simply me not knowing...


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Re: Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Dom
On 12/22/05, Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dom wrote:
> > On 12/22/05, Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>What file system? I don't see where you ran mkfs.
> >>
> >>All you've got is a blank partition.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >
> >
> > Thanks Mike! I've done it.
>
> Are you saying that you have now run mkfs and it mounts?
>
> If so, then congratulations!
>
> Or are you saying that you just omitted to mention that you
> already ran mkfs, but it doesn't mount?
>
> If so, then I'm as mystified as you are.

I'm saying that I have run mkfs only now and it mounts.

Thanks really on that, it's simply me not knowing...

Dom



Re: Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Stephen Cormier
On Thursday 22 December 2005 16:39, Dom wrote:
> I bought a Western Digital 80GB Hard Disk as a second disk for my
> GNU/Linux Debian system (kernel 2.6.8-2-386).
>
> I attached it as a Slave and set its jumper accordingly. The next
> step was to create partition, and I created one by running (under
> root of course) 'fdisk /dev/hdb' and using the command new (n) to
> create a primary partition with partition number 1 for which I only
> used 12GB (of 80GB available). Also with command 't' I made sure the
> filesystem is ext3 (code 83).
>
> I created a directory /music on which I plan to mount this
> filesystem.

> and this is what I get when I enter "dmesg | tail":
>
>
> SCSI subsystem initialized
> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hdb1.
> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hdb1.
>
>
> Please help, I'm new with all of this and I really can't figure out
> what I did wrong nor can I find an adequate solution Googleing the
> web.
>
> Can you see what I'm doing wrong?
>
> Thanks in advance!

I see no mention of you having formatted the partition so.

mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1

Stephen


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Re: Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Mike McCarty

Dom wrote:

On 12/22/05, Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What file system? I don't see where you ran mkfs.

All you've got is a blank partition.

Mike



Thanks Mike! I've done it.


Are you saying that you have now run mkfs and it mounts?

If so, then congratulations!

Or are you saying that you just omitted to mention that you
already ran mkfs, but it doesn't mount?

If so, then I'm as mystified as you are.

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Re: Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Dom
On 12/22/05, Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What file system? I don't see where you ran mkfs.
>
> All you've got is a blank partition.
>
> Mike

Thanks Mike! I've done it.



Re: Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Mike McCarty

Dom wrote:

I bought a Western Digital 80GB Hard Disk as a second disk for my
GNU/Linux Debian system (kernel 2.6.8-2-386).

I attached it as a Slave and set its jumper accordingly. The next step
was to create partition, and I created one by running (under root of
course) 'fdisk /dev/hdb' and using the command new (n) to create a
primary partition with partition number 1 for which I only used 12GB
(of 80GB available). Also with command 't' I made sure the filesystem
is ext3 (code 83).


Nope. You created a partition, not a file system.


I created a directory /music on which I plan to mount this filesystem.

Then I went to change my fstab file which now looks like this:


[snip]


I restarted my system and the filesystem was not mounted. Here's my syslog:


[snip]

What file system? I don't see where you ran mkfs.

All you've got is a blank partition.

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Can't mount a newly created ext3 partition from the new Hard Disk I installed...

2005-12-22 Thread Dom
I bought a Western Digital 80GB Hard Disk as a second disk for my
GNU/Linux Debian system (kernel 2.6.8-2-386).

I attached it as a Slave and set its jumper accordingly. The next step
was to create partition, and I created one by running (under root of
course) 'fdisk /dev/hdb' and using the command new (n) to create a
primary partition with partition number 1 for which I only used 12GB
(of 80GB available). Also with command 't' I made sure the filesystem
is ext3 (code 83).

I created a directory /music on which I plan to mount this filesystem.

Then I went to change my fstab file which now looks like this:


# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda1   /   ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1
/dev/hda2   /localdisk  ext3defaults0   0
/dev/hda5   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/hdb1   /music  ext3defaults0   0
/dev/hdc/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,users,noauto,unhide  0   0
/dev/hdd/media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,users,noauto,unhide  0   0
/dev/sda/media/usb0 autorw,users,noauto  0   0
/dev/sda1   /media/usb1 vfatrw,users,noauto  0   0
shmfs   /dev/shmshm defaults 0   0


I restarted my system and the filesystem was not mounted. Here's my syslog:


kernel: klogd 1.4.1#17, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.8-2-386
kernel: Loaded 28182 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.6.8-2-386.
kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.6.8.
kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled.
kernel: Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST
2005
kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
kernel:  BIOS-e820:  - 0009fc00 (usable)
kernel:  BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved)
kernel:  BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved)
kernel:  BIOS-e820: 0010 - 0bffc000 (usable)
kernel:  BIOS-e820: 0bffc000 - 0bfff000 (ACPI data)
kernel:  BIOS-e820: 0bfff000 - 0c00 (ACPI NVS)
kernel:  BIOS-e820:  - 0001 (reserved)
kernel: 191MB LOWMEM available.
kernel: On node 0 totalpages: 49148
kernel:   DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
kernel:   Normal zone: 45052 pages, LIFO batch:10
kernel:   HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1
kernel: DMI 2.3 present.
kernel: ACPI disabled because your bios is from 2000 and too old
kernel: You can enable it with acpi=force
kernel: Built 1 zonelists
kernel: Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 ro
kernel: Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.
kernel: Found and enabled local APIC!
kernel: Initializing CPU#0
kernel: PID hash table entries: 1024 (order 10: 8192 bytes)
kernel: Detected 604.287 MHz processor.
kernel: Using tsc for high-res timesource
kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
kernel: Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
kernel: Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
kernel: Memory: 187500k/196592k available (1336k kernel code, 8468k
reserved, 732k data, 204k init, 0k highmem)
kernel: Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in
supervisor mode... Ok.
kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 1187.84 BogoMIPS
kernel: Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized
kernel: Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
kernel: CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff   
kernel: CPU: After vendor identify, caps:  0383fbff   
kernel: CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
kernel: CPU: L2 cache: 256K
kernel: CPU: After all inits, caps:0383fbff   0040
kernel: CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 01
kernel: Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
kernel: Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
kernel: Checking for popad bug... OK.
kernel: enabled ExtINT on CPU#0
kernel: ESR value before enabling vector: 
kernel: ESR value after enabling vector: 
kernel: Using local APIC timer interrupts.
kernel: calibrating APIC timer ...
kernel: . CPU clock speed is 604.0154 MHz.
kernel: . host bus clock speed is 100.0692 MHz.
kernel: checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (ungzip failed);
looks like an initrd
kernel: Freeing initrd memory: 4216k freed
kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 16
kernel: EISA bus registered
kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=1
kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1
kernel: mtrr: v2.0 (20020519)
kernel: ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326
kernel: ACPI: Interpreter disabled.
kernel: Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay
kernel: PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support...
kernel: PnPBIOS: Found

Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Craig Genner
On Monday 05 Jan 2004 5:44 am, panda wrote:
> Lou Losee wrote:
> Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this
> needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain
> some level of service and the question of scalability is a very
> important one.
>
> They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the
> system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be
> really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything
> and then resize.

(Just in case any one else hasn't answered)

This is where LVM comes in.  Logical Volume Manager adds a layer between the 
physical hard disk and the file system.  For more detailed information I 
would suggest you read the HOWTO here: 
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html

If LVM were used then the only down time would be when the machine was 
actually turned off and the new hard drive was added.  Once that's done it's 
quite quick when compared to moving the data across to put the new disk into 
use.

Once again I suggest the HOWTO as it explains it much better then me :-)

I use LVM at home and when I run out of space on one partition I just more 
from the spare space on another partition.

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Re: Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Anita Rohani

Thanks, you guys! It was my first time posting a
question on this maling list...and what an
overwhelming response :)!

Yeah, i also confirmed from one of my co-workers (an
ardent follower of Debian) that there is no way to
extend the partitions unless the current disk was
setup using "logical volume" management; which in our
case it is not. ok so i would have to look into your
various suggestions. hopefully i will have a success
story to recount pretty soon :)

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 18:41 GMT, Travis Crump penned:
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 12:51 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
>>>
>>>cp -ax
>> 
>> Okay, having read the man pages, I'm not sure how this does more than
>> the -d option that -a includes.  -a already stops you from following
>> symlinks ... maybe I'm just being dense, but what additional
>> situations does the -x cover?
>> 
> 
> Say you have /usr, /tmp, /var, and /home  mounted on seperate
> partitions and you want to move just the root partition to a new
> partition.  you can do 'cp -ax / /mnt/newroot'.  If you were to do
> just 'cp -a / /mnt/newroot', the contents of /usr, /tmp, /var, and
> /home would be copied to the new partition as well.
> 

Doh!  Sure enough, I was being dense.
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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Travis Crump
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 12:51 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:09:31 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:


On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:

On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:

Hi

A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian system are close
to becoming full. I would like to install an addtional hard disk
and extend the partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is
it possible to do so and are there any instructions avaliable on
how to add and configure additional hard disks on Debian?
check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition
migration.
essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount
point, mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new
arrangement.  don't delete the original until you're sure the new
partition is extant.
You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.
cp -ax



Okay, having read the man pages, I'm not sure how this does more than
the -d option that -a includes.  -a already stops you from following
symlinks ... maybe I'm just being dense, but what additional situations
does the -x cover?
Say you have /usr, /tmp, /var, and /home  mounted on seperate partitions 
and you want to move just the root partition to a new partition.  you 
can do 'cp -ax / /mnt/newroot'.  If you were to do just 'cp -a / 
/mnt/newroot', the contents of /usr, /tmp, /var, and /home would be 
copied to the new partition as well.


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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread linux
Citát Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 01:46:14AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Citát Lou Losee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05
> 01:32]:
> > > 
> > > > BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and
> > > > how it works?
> > > 
> > > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/LVM-HOWTO.index.html
> > 
> > sorry Lou but man does not wrk on my Winshit and Deb is down after
> > recompiling the kernel. :(
> 
> For future reference, always keep a backup kernel that your boot loader
> knows how to start ...
> 
Well, I guess I will have to learn it the hard way ...I am a newbie.
:) CAn`t you tell?
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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 12:51 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:09:31 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
>>> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:
 Hi
 
 A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian system are close
 to becoming full. I would like to install an addtional hard disk
 and extend the partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is
 it possible to do so and are there any instructions avaliable on
 how to add and configure additional hard disks on Debian?
 
>>> check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
>>> partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
>>> solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition
>>> migration.
>>> 
>>> essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount
>>> point, mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new
>>> arrangement.  don't delete the original until you're sure the new
>>> partition is extant.
>>> 
>> 
>> You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.
> 
> cp -ax
> 

Okay, having read the man pages, I'm not sure how this does more than
the -d option that -a includes.  -a already stops you from following
symlinks ... maybe I'm just being dense, but what additional situations
does the -x cover?

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:09:31 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
>> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian system are close to
>>> becoming full. I would like to install an addtional hard disk and
>>> extend the partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
>>> possible to do so and are there any instructions avaliable on how to
>>> add and configure additional hard disks on Debian?
>>> 
>> check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
>> partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
>> solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition
>> migration.
>> 
>> essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount
>> point, mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new
>> arrangement.  don't delete the original until you're sure the new
>> partition is extant.
>> 
> 
> You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.

cp -ax

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 01:46:14AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Citát Lou Losee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05 01:32]:
> > 
> > > BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and
> > > how it works?
> > 
> > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/LVM-HOWTO.index.html
> 
> sorry Lou but man does not wrk on my Winshit and Deb is down after
> recompiling the kernel. :(

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread panda
Travis Crump wrote:

panda wrote:


Hi

Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to 
maintain some level of service and the question of scalability is a 
very important one.

They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would 
be really costly if they had to resort to something like copy 
everything and then resize.

That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]
HI Travis,

thanks a lot I didn't know about LVM :-)

panda

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread linux
Citát Lou Losee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05 01:52]:
>  
> > sorry Lou but man does not wrk on my Winshit and Deb is down after
> recompiling
> > the kernel. :(
> 
> You can view man pages online at:
> 
> http://man.linuxquestions.org
> 
> Lou
> 
Thanx, hope that I get My deb back on feet soon again. :)
ed.
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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-05 Thread Lou Losee
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05 01:52]:
 
> sorry Lou but man does not wrk on my Winshit and Deb is down after recompiling
> the kernel. :(

You can view man pages online at:

http://man.linuxquestions.org

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát Lou Losee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05 01:32]:
> 
> > 
> > BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it
> works?
> > thax ed.
> 
> http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/LVM-HOWTO.index.html
> 
> Lou
> 

sorry Lou but man does not wrk on my Winshit and Deb is down after recompiling
the kernel. :(
ed.
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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread ben_foley
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:09:31PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
> > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian system are close to
> >> becoming full. I would like to install an addtional hard disk and
> >> extend the partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
> >> possible to do so and are there any instructions avaliable on how to
> >> add and configure additional hard disks on Debian?
> >> 
> > check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
> > partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
> > solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition
> > migration.
> > 
> > essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount
> > point, mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new
> > arrangement.  don't delete the original until you're sure the new
> > partition is extant.
> > 
> 
> You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.
>

yup. you're right. just checked the notes.

ben


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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Lou Losee
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05 01:32]:

> 
> BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it works?
> thax ed.

http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/LVM-HOWTO.index.html

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Lou Losee
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-05 01:32]:


> > 
> > You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.
> > 
> What is the difference between -a and -r
> ed.

man cp

Lou


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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
> > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian system are close to
> >> becoming full. I would like to install an addtional hard disk and
> >> extend the partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
> >> possible to do so and are there any instructions avaliable on how to
> >> add and configure additional hard disks on Debian?
> >> 
> > check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
> > partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
> > solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition
> > migration.
> > 
> > essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount
> > point, mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new
> > arrangement.  don't delete the original until you're sure the new
> > partition is extant.
> > 
> 
> You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.
> 
What is the difference between -a and -r
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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> panda wrote:
> >>
> > Hi
> > 
> > Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
> > needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
> > some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
> > important one.
> > 
> > They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
> > system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
> > really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
> > and then resize.
> > 
> 
> That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
> partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]
> 
BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it works?
thax ed.




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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> panda wrote:
> >>
> > Hi
> > 
> > Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
> > needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
> > some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
> > important one.
> > 
> > They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
> > system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
> > really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
> > and then resize.
> > 
> 
> That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
> partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]
> 
BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it works?
thax ed.




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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> panda wrote:
> >>
> > Hi
> > 
> > Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
> > needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
> > some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
> > important one.
> > 
> > They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
> > system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
> > really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
> > and then resize.
> > 
> 
> That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
> partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]
> 
BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it works?
thax ed.




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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> panda wrote:
> >>
> > Hi
> > 
> > Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
> > needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
> > some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
> > important one.
> > 
> > They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
> > system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
> > really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
> > and then resize.
> > 
> 
> That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
> partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]
> 
BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it works?
thax ed.




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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread linux
Citát Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> panda wrote:
> >>
> > Hi
> > 
> > Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
> > needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
> > some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
> > important one.
> > 
> > They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
> > system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
> > really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
> > and then resize.
> > 
> 
> That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
> partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]
> 
BTW... excuse mu ignorancy can you explain to me what LVM is and how it works?
thax ed.




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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 at 06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian system are close to
>> becoming full. I would like to install an addtional hard disk and
>> extend the partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
>> possible to do so and are there any instructions avaliable on how to
>> add and configure additional hard disks on Debian?
>> 
> check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
> partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
> solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition
> migration.
> 
> essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount
> point, mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new
> arrangement.  don't delete the original until you're sure the new
> partition is extant.
> 

You most likely want cp -a rather than cp -r.

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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Brett Carrington
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 09:44:55PM -0800, panda wrote:
> Lou Losee wrote:
> 
> >Hi Anita,
> >
> >* Anita Rohani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-04 23:30]:
> > 
> >
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian
> >>system are close to becoming full. I would like to
> >>install an addtional hard disk and extend the
> >>partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
> >>possible to do so and are there any instructions
> >>avaliable on how to add and configure additional hard
> >>disks on Debian?
> >>
> >>   
> >>
> >I do not think you can actually extend the existing partitions - that is
> >make them span the old and the new disks.  However. you can install the
> >new disk, use fdisk to create partitons on it and then move the data
> >from some of the existing partitions to the new disk.  Then you can
> >mount the new partitons.
> >
> >This way you could, for instance, create a larger /home or /var or /usr
> >etc. on the new disk to replace the partitons on the old disk.  Once
> >this is done, you could delete the old partions and use a tool such as
> >parted or QTparted to resize the partitions on the old disk and make
> >them larger also.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Lou
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> Hi
> 
> Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
> needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
> some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
> important one.
> 
> They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
> system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
> really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
> and then resize.
> 
>

Couldn't something like RAID spanning being used? I think this would be
overkill for a big corporation's goal of 'scalability' though. (At least
for client desktops.)


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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Travis Crump
panda wrote:

Hi

Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
important one.

They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
and then resize.

That is what LVM is for.[This wouldn't help OP, because her existing 
partitions would need to already be LVM for this to help her]


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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread ben_foley
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:07:30PM -0800, Anita Rohani wrote:
> Hi
> 
> A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian
> system are close to becoming full. I would like to
> install an addtional hard disk and extend the
> partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
> possible to do so and are there any instructions
> avaliable on how to add and configure additional hard
> disks on Debian?
> 
check the archives. i got a lot of good help recently on migrating a
partition. the course i chose was a mixture of tips. your ideal
solution might be other that mine. search the archives for partition migration.

essentially, create a filesystem on the new disk, set up a mount point,
mount it, cp -r the data, edit fstab to reflect the new arrangement.
don't delete the original until you're sure the new partition is extant.

ben


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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread panda
Lou Losee wrote:

Hi Anita,

* Anita Rohani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-04 23:30]:
 

Hi

A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian
system are close to becoming full. I would like to
install an addtional hard disk and extend the
partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
possible to do so and are there any instructions
avaliable on how to add and configure additional hard
disks on Debian?
   

I do not think you can actually extend the existing partitions - that is
make them span the old and the new disks.  However. you can install the
new disk, use fdisk to create partitons on it and then move the data
from some of the existing partitions to the new disk.  Then you can
mount the new partitons.
This way you could, for instance, create a larger /home or /var or /usr
etc. on the new disk to replace the partitons on the old disk.  Once
this is done, you could delete the old partions and use a tool such as
parted or QTparted to resize the partitions on the old disk and make
them larger also.
HTH

Lou

 

Hi

Actually her question brings up an interesting point. Suppose this 
needed to be done in a big corporation where it is necessary to maintain 
some level of service and the question of scalability is a very 
important one.

They would prefer some means of doing the same adding disks to the 
system to allow for greater storage with minimal disruption. It would be 
really costly if they had to resort to something like copy everything 
and then resize.

panda



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Re: adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Lou Losee
Hi Anita,

* Anita Rohani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-04 23:30]:
> Hi
> 
> A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian
> system are close to becoming full. I would like to
> install an addtional hard disk and extend the
> partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
> possible to do so and are there any instructions
> avaliable on how to add and configure additional hard
> disks on Debian?
> 
I do not think you can actually extend the existing partitions - that is
make them span the old and the new disks.  However. you can install the
new disk, use fdisk to create partitons on it and then move the data
from some of the existing partitions to the new disk.  Then you can
mount the new partitons.

This way you could, for instance, create a larger /home or /var or /usr
etc. on the new disk to replace the partitons on the old disk.  Once
this is done, you could delete the old partions and use a tool such as
parted or QTparted to resize the partitions on the old disk and make
them larger also.

HTH

Lou


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adding new hard disk

2004-01-04 Thread Anita Rohani
Hi

A few hard disk partitions on our current Debian
system are close to becoming full. I would like to
install an addtional hard disk and extend the
partitions on the current disk to the new disk. Is it
possible to do so and are there any instructions
avaliable on how to add and configure additional hard
disks on Debian?

Thanks
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Re: cloning my debian install onto my new hard disk?

2003-01-12 Thread Alan Chandler
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On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 8:20 pm, Bob Hilliard wrote:
> Johan Ehnberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>
>  I used to use the cp -ax method with great success, but more
> recently the -x option doesn't work.  The following is copied from my
>
> bug report #168685:
> > cp -ax   does not restrict the copy to one files
> > system.  If target is /, cp copies /home, even if it is on a separate
> > file system, and tries to copy /proc.  Copying /proc fails, and stops
> > the copy.
> >
> > cp -a -x gives the same result as cp -ax.
> >
> > This problem is not new with the current version.  I have experienced
> > it frequently in the past, but have been too lazy to file a report.
>
>  Because of this issue, I had to use "find / -xdev | cpio -vdump /mnt"
> for my last system copy.

rsync -aHx seems to work fine for me.

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Re: cloning my debian install onto my new hard disk?

2003-01-12 Thread Bob Hilliard
Johan Ehnberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There are a few important steps. I did this on my little server and it
> worked just the way it should. Read
>
> http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
>
> and follow the instructions there. It's very straight-forward and not
> too difficult. Takes some time, though.

 I used to use the cp -ax method with great success, but more
recently the -x option doesn't work.  The following is copied from my
bug report #168685:

> cp -ax   does not restrict the copy to one files
> system.  If target is /, cp copies /home, even if it is on a separate
> file system, and tries to copy /proc.  Copying /proc fails, and stops
> the copy.
> 
> cp -a -x gives the same result as cp -ax.
> 
> This problem is not new with the current version.  I have experienced
> it frequently in the past, but have been too lazy to file a report.

 Because of this issue, I had to use "find / -xdev | cpio -vdump /mnt"
for my last system copy.  

Regards,

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Re: cloning my debian install onto my new hard disk?

2003-01-12 Thread Johan Ehnberg
There are a few important steps. I did this on my little server and it 
worked just the way it should. Read

http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html

and follow the instructions there. It's very straight-forward and not 
too difficult. Takes some time, though.

If you need more info, just ask.

Hope this helps!

/johan


Britton wrote:
I would like to copy my entire install onto my new larger hard disk, then
set it up to boot there.  I have the old disk as master and the new as
slave, and I've mounted the slave and used cp -a on the top level
directories. The cp -a of 'initrd' directory complained a bit though, and
I'm not sure what steps are best to take to make the new drive the one
that gets booted from/mounted as root.  Does anyone have software to
recommend other than cp?  What should I do after cp to make initrd setup
work right?

A report of a recend (good) experience with this task would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
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2003-01-12 Thread Britton

I would like to copy my entire install onto my new larger hard disk, then
set it up to boot there.  I have the old disk as master and the new as
slave, and I've mounted the slave and used cp -a on the top level
directories. The cp -a of 'initrd' directory complained a bit though, and
I'm not sure what steps are best to take to make the new drive the one
that gets booted from/mounted as root.  Does anyone have software to
recommend other than cp?  What should I do after cp to make initrd setup
work right?

A report of a recend (good) experience with this task would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: Moving selected file systems to new hard disk

2000-03-04 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 11:43:46PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 09:25:40PM -0800, Michael Perry wrote:
> > I had kept a copy of a really great article posted on another mailing list
> > for this but now seem to have lost it.  I would like to upgrade and move
> > things like /home and /usr to a new scsi hard disk drive which has much more
> > room.  The old disk is /dev/sda and I am installing a new IBM 18 gig scsi
> > drive to /dev/sdb.  I would definitely like to get /home there since it
> > seems to grow quite quickly.  If /usr could move also, that would be cool.
> 
> cd /old;
> tar cvf - . | ( cd /new-path; tar xvf - )

please add the -p switch to those tars so he does not come back asking
why all the permissions/owners got ruined ;-)

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Re: Moving selected file systems to new hard disk

2000-03-04 Thread John Gay


I had kept a copy of a really great article posted on another mailing list
for this but now seem to have lost it.  I would like to upgrade and move
things like /home and /usr to a new scsi hard disk drive which has much more
room.  The old disk is /dev/sda and I am installing a new IBM 18 gig scsi
drive to /dev/sdb.  I would definitely like to get /home there since it
seems to grow quite quickly.  If /usr could move also, that would be cool.

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I recently did this on my system, and this is the advise I received. Create the
new partitions on /dev/sdb, then mount each partition under /mnt. Go to the
directory you want to move, the example shows /usr, but /home, /var and such
should be the same. I was told there was some issue with sockets not moving
correctly with tar, but I don't know what a socket is, and I was able to move
/usr with no issues. As I am new to Linux as well, I asked for, and got a very
good explanation of what this command did. After I had moved the directories, I
just needed to update /etc/fstab to mount the new partitions under the proper
directories. I'm still waiting to copy and resize my root partition.

> cd /usr
> tar cpf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar xpf -)
>

tar: you know this
c  : create
p  : preserve permisions (rwx and owners, etc)
f  : file name, the next arg will give the name of the file
-  : most commands understand this to mean stdin/stdout.
 tar is one, so this is stdout.
.  : the current directory.  if you make a tar file of
 . and then do a tar t of it, everything will look like
 ./foo, ./bar, ./zoo/cow, and so on.  an ls -a will show
 both . and .. dirs.

the parenthesis around the other two commands force them into a
subshell, so it's almost like piping into a shell script.  that way the
cd command takes effect, and that's also why the cd doesn't affect your
current session - at the end of this command you'll still be in /usr.



Re: Moving selected file systems to new hard disk

2000-03-04 Thread kmself
On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 09:25:40PM -0800, Michael Perry wrote:
> I had kept a copy of a really great article posted on another mailing list
> for this but now seem to have lost it.  I would like to upgrade and move
> things like /home and /usr to a new scsi hard disk drive which has much more
> room.  The old disk is /dev/sda and I am installing a new IBM 18 gig scsi
> drive to /dev/sdb.  I would definitely like to get /home there since it
> seems to grow quite quickly.  If /usr could move also, that would be cool.

cd /old;
tar cvf - . | ( cd /new-path; tar xvf - )

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Moving selected file systems to new hard disk

2000-03-04 Thread Michael Perry
I had kept a copy of a really great article posted on another mailing list
for this but now seem to have lost it.  I would like to upgrade and move
things like /home and /usr to a new scsi hard disk drive which has much more
room.  The old disk is /dev/sda and I am installing a new IBM 18 gig scsi
drive to /dev/sdb.  I would definitely like to get /home there since it
seems to grow quite quickly.  If /usr could move also, that would be cool.

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Re: New Hard Disk

1997-04-30 Thread Kevin Traas
> > I'm trying to add space to my system and all i have is a 170meg HD what
I
> > want to do is move everything from /usr/lib to the new HD and have the
new
> > drive mount at that point. I would like to have the move done in one
> > command. is that posible or will i have to move the whole tree by hand?
> 
> Sure..  Mount the new partition under /mnt, then:
> 
> (get into single user mode)
> cd /usr/lib
> tar -cvO . | (cd /mnt ; tar -xpf - )
> (Now check the files and perms under /mnt, and make sure it's ok)
> cd /usr/lib (in case you left there...)
> rm -rf *

I'd suggest that, before removing the files, update fstab (as below) to
mount the new drive to /usr/lib and then reboot and see if everthing works.
 i.e. check files/permissions under /usr/lib. 

In this situation, the new drive (and files) are mounted right over top of
the existing directory structure.  (BTW, as a tip, this is a great way to
"hide" a directory structure on your system from prying eyes  Drop some
files into a directory and then mount something over top of it.  Poof!  The
files are "gone" until you need them and access them.)

Once you know things are working, then unmount the new fs from /usr/lib,
remove the existing structure, and then remount the fs.

Later,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper CA
http://www.eroper.bc.ca


> cd ..
> mount -t ext2 /dev/newpartition /usr/lib
> (Now change your /etc/fstab accordingly)
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Re: New Hard Disk

1997-04-29 Thread Harmon Sequoya Nine
Syd --

Looks like you can use the "cp" command with the "--archive" option (see "cp" 
man page).

What you need to do is, after you place a linux filesystem on the partition 
with "mke2fs",
mount that partition under the generic mount-point directory "/mnt":

mount /dev/hd?? /mnt

Then, copy everything from /usr/lib onto the partition:

cp --archive /usr/lib /mnt

Once you're sure everything has been copied and is intact, erase everything 
under /usr/lib:

rm -r /usr/lib/*

Then umount the partition, and remount it under /usr/lib

umount /mnt
mount /dev/hd?? /usr/lib

Be sure to place the necessary data in your /etc/fstab file so that the 
partition gets
mounted at boot time from now on (/etc/fstab format is self-explanatory).

Drop me a line if you have problems, or this procedure doesn't work out (be 
sure to
back up your files before doing this!).

Hope it works! :-)

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Re: New Hard Disk

1997-04-29 Thread Jason Costomiris
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Syd Alsobrook wrote:

> I'm trying to add space to my system and all i have is a 170meg HD what I
> want to do is move everything from /usr/lib to the new HD and have the new
> drive mount at that point. I would like to have the move done in one
> command. is that posible or will i have to move the whole tree by hand?

Sure..  Mount the new partition under /mnt, then:

(get into single user mode)
cd /usr/lib
tar -cvO . | (cd /mnt ; tar -xpf - )
(Now check the files and perms under /mnt, and make sure it's ok)
cd /usr/lib (in case you left there...)
rm -rf *
cd ..
mount -t ext2 /dev/newpartition /usr/lib
(Now change your /etc/fstab accordingly)

Be careful!  Backup your data first!

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Re: New Hard Disk

1997-04-29 Thread Eric Delaunay
Syd Alsobrook wrote:
> I'm trying to add space to my system and all i have is a 170meg HD what I
> want to do is move everything from /usr/lib to the new HD and have the new
> drive mount at that point. I would like to have the move done in one
> command. is that posible or will i have to move the whole tree by hand?
> Syd

Try
 cd /usr ; find lib -print | cpio -pd /mnt
or
 cp -a /usr/lib /mnt/lib
or
 ( cd /usr ; tar czf - lib ) | ( cd /mnt ; tar xvzf - )

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New Hard Disk

1997-04-29 Thread Syd Alsobrook
I'm trying to add space to my system and all i have is a 170meg HD what I
want to do is move everything from /usr/lib to the new HD and have the new
drive mount at that point. I would like to have the move done in one
command. is that posible or will i have to move the whole tree by hand?
Syd

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Re: How to move the system to a new hard disk?

1996-09-26 Thread Vadik V. Vygonets
On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Fernando Tadeu Caldeira Brandt wrote:

> I am planing to install a new bigger hard disk. I will
> keep the old one but I would like to move Debian Linux
> to the new disk. Is it safe to use dd? If not, what would
> be the most pratical way to do that without having to
> remember all customization, etc?
> Fernando

It's best to boot from floppies (to avoid endless loop of the following
command), mount your old disk under, say, /mnt, and your new disk under,
say, /mnttt.  Well then just run the following command:
cp -dpR /mnt /mnttt
If you want to see which files are copied, add the switch "-v".  It will
take a little long time :)

Then, Don't Forget To Re-install Lilo!  (maybe after you remove your old
disk, and boot from floppy giving the kernel "root=somtehing" parameter,
and then you maybe have to "rdev /vmlinuz /dev/hda1" or something).

Have fun,
Vadik.

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How to move the system to a new hard disk?

1996-09-25 Thread Fernando Tadeu Caldeira Brandt
I am planing to install a new bigger hard disk. I will
keep the old one but I would like to move Debian Linux
to the new disk. Is it safe to use dd? If not, what would
be the most pratical way to do that without having to
remember all customization, etc?
Fernando