Re: New video card, how to deal?
Felix Miata writes: > Modesetting DIX driver > > (Device Independent X driver) > > as opposed to Device Dependent X drivers Amdgpu, Intel, Nouveau & Radeon. OK. Well, the man page says it's a driver for KMS devices? A raw Nvidia chip with no supporting kernel driver isn't going to present itself as KMS. So as far as I understand it, this can't work. I did try the modesetting driver it and it works with the builtin Intel I have. I got into running a compositor with my wm to get vsync support so now enjoying some transparency effects. Video decode is maybe a bit faster than with the Intel driver. Anyways, I found out there's an unblock request for nvidia-driver so that the version in sid (460.91) will be migrated. So it might get into Bullseye for release and presumably Buster backports soon after that.
Re: New video card, how to deal?
Anssi Saari composed on 2021-07-30 11:42 (UTC+0300): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Have you tried both pure FOSS solutions? If xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is >> installed, try purging it. The generic nature of the modesetting DIX could >> conceivably be enough to run that bleeding edge GPU well enough to get you by >> without going to backports or Bullseye. > No, I assumed any support in nouveau is years away. I don't know what > the other pure FOSS solution is? > Modesetting DIX driver (Device Independent X driver) as opposed to Device Dependent X drivers Amdgpu, Intel, Nouveau & Radeon. The (formerly experimental[1]) xf86-video-modesetting DIX was moved into the xserver-xorg (server) package over 6 years ago (1.17, post-Jessie). Upstream, it's the default X driver. [1] https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/hw/xfree86/drivers/modesetting?id=106bea5ad1bdd5795d6ed625fc6351a161bffa6e -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: New video card, how to deal?
didier gaumet writes: > There is an Experimental Debian repository which contains the most up- > to-date non-free Nvidia driver (470.57.02-1, similar to Nvidia > website): > https://packages.debian.org/experimental/nvidia-driver Yes, thanks. Sure, experimental and unstable too already have new enough drivers but as you say that means dozens of packages from unstable (43 to be exact) or going completely to unstable. Well, getting the dual screen setup working in Arch was quite interesting. With Yesterday's Arch it works but considering my earlier two tries were crashy I don't think I want to run Arch or Debian Unstable for more than experiments and previews. Thanks to Hans too for mentioning Nvidia's installer. I did that for years and maybe now again. > But it is likely that shortly after Bullseye release, this version of > the driver will land in Sid (Unstable). And I imagine that later, in > Bulseye-backports too. Yes, in a few weeks or months.
Re: New video card, how to deal?
Le vendredi 30 juillet 2021 à 11:42 +0300, Anssi Saari a écrit : > Felix Miata writes: [...] > > [OTOH, why not Bullseye? It's on the verge of official release, > > running on more > > than 20 PCs here. > > Because it doesn't solve any problem since it has no newer Nvidia > drivers. If it did they'd likely be in buster-backports too. Also, > Bullseye is insecure with no security updates until it's actually > released. You may be fine with that but I'm not. Hello, The official release date of Bullseye (Debian 11) is august, the 14th. There is an Experimental Debian repository which contains the most up- to-date non-free Nvidia driver (470.57.02-1, similar to Nvidia website): https://packages.debian.org/experimental/nvidia-driver Experimental is like *-backports, a repository that only contains selected material and is intended to be used in conjonction with Sid (Unstable in Debian terms, but roughly similar to Archlinux in terms of packages maturity and overall stability/security, IMO), I assume (never used Experimental myself), if one doesn't want a FrankenDebian. But it is likely that shortly after Bullseye release, this version of the driver will land in Sid (Unstable). And I imagine that later, in Bulseye-backports too.
Re: New video card, how to deal?
Felix Miata writes: > Have you tried both pure FOSS solutions? If xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is > installed, try purging it. The generic nature of the modesetting DIX could > conceivably be enough to run that bleeding edge GPU well enough to get you by > without going to backports or Bullseye. No, I assumed any support in nouveau is years away. I don't know what the other pure FOSS solution is? But anyway, not what I'm looking for. > OTOH, why not Bullseye? It's on the verge of official release, running on more > than 20 PCs here. Because it doesn't solve any problem since it has no newer Nvidia drivers. If it did they'd likely be in buster-backports too. Also, Bullseye is insecure with no security updates until it's actually released. You may be fine with that but I'm not.
Re: New video card, how to deal?
Am Freitag, 30. Juli 2021, 09:32:21 CEST schrieb Anssi Saari: Hi Anssi, if the repo doesn't offer the required packages, you can download the drivers directly from the Nvidia site. First remove all nvidia packages (i.e. "aptitude purge ~nnvidia*" ,then download the script. It is a "NVidia_something,run" file. Make it executable and start it. You will need a supported kernel (the newer, the better), the linux-header- files and maybe sourcefiles. The easyiest way, to get the needed stuff, is running "module-assistant", which has an option to downloiad and install all needed packages, to build kernel modules. Just a note: It happend from time to time, that the stock Nvidia drivers do not build with the running kernel. That is a problem by the Nvidia itself and should be reported to Nvidia. However, the nvidia-packages in the repo include sometimes patches made by the great debian developers. This is the moment, where I must say a bg "THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK!!!" to these developers, as without them, often the Nvidia-drivers won't work. When building the drivers, pay attention, that no nvidia module is loaded. Also you should get rid of the nouveau module (either blacklist it or just delete it from the kernel tree). I hope this helps a little bit. Good luck and best regards! Hans > I managed to snag a new video card with Nvidia's RTX3070Ti. Due to the > recent release of the 3070Ti, I have a bit of a problem with Debian 10 > as required drivers are quite new (460.84 or 465.31) and Buster has > 460.73 in backports. And now Bullseye is frozen so presumably there > won't be an update in weeks or months. > > On my PC in addition to Debian I have Arch and Windows 10 where new > enough drivers are not a problem. As a workaround I set up a two display > setup where one display is driven by Intel's integrated and the other by > my new Nvidia and that's OK, just in Debian the other display is blank. > > So what can I do now to get new enough Nvidia drivers? Or actually, is > there a documented way for me to create an nvidia-driver package for > Buster that I can build and install myself? I don't want to get a PhD in > Debian packaging or anything, I guess I mostly want to borrow someone > else's recipes on that topic. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: New video card, how to deal?
Anssi Saari composed on 2021-07-30 10:32 (UTC+0300): > I managed to snag a new video card with Nvidia's RTX3070Ti. Due to the > recent release of the 3070Ti, I have a bit of a problem with Debian 10 > as required drivers are quite new (460.84 or 465.31) and Buster has > 460.73 in backports. And now Bullseye is frozen so presumably there > won't be an update in weeks or months. > On my PC in addition to Debian I have Arch and Windows 10 where new > enough drivers are not a problem. As a workaround I set up a two display > setup where one display is driven by Intel's integrated and the other by > my new Nvidia and that's OK, just in Debian the other display is blank. > So what can I do now to get new enough Nvidia drivers? Or actually, is > there a documented way for me to create an nvidia-driver package for > Buster that I can build and install myself? I don't want to get a PhD in > Debian packaging or anything, I guess I mostly want to borrow someone > else's recipes on that topic. Have you tried both pure FOSS solutions? If xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is installed, try purging it. The generic nature of the modesetting DIX could conceivably be enough to run that bleeding edge GPU well enough to get you by without going to backports or Bullseye. OTOH, why not Bullseye? It's on the verge of official release, running on more than 20 PCs here. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
New video card, how to deal?
I managed to snag a new video card with Nvidia's RTX3070Ti. Due to the recent release of the 3070Ti, I have a bit of a problem with Debian 10 as required drivers are quite new (460.84 or 465.31) and Buster has 460.73 in backports. And now Bullseye is frozen so presumably there won't be an update in weeks or months. On my PC in addition to Debian I have Arch and Windows 10 where new enough drivers are not a problem. As a workaround I set up a two display setup where one display is driven by Intel's integrated and the other by my new Nvidia and that's OK, just in Debian the other display is blank. So what can I do now to get new enough Nvidia drivers? Or actually, is there a documented way for me to create an nvidia-driver package for Buster that I can build and install myself? I don't want to get a PhD in Debian packaging or anything, I guess I mostly want to borrow someone else's recipes on that topic.
Re: Trying to add new video card
ho...@rumormillnews.com composed on 2019-08-04 17:29 (UTC-0400): > Whatever's on the motherboard (presumably Kaveri) is still present, > nothing done to tell it to sit idly by. The place to start, after putting the GeForce back in, is to try doing something. There should be some BIOS setup option to prefer the GPU that is on a card installed in a slot instead of the IGP. Whatever the BIOS has that can lead it away from using the Kaveri IGP should be tried before trying to blame any software for the black screen. > Here's the current command line: > BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 > root=UUID=c378147d-1aca-4d98-a589-6b47f02e0ef7 ro video=640x400 > consoleblank=600 reboot=pci radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 > quiet Best to start with a clean sheet. At the Grub menu after striking the E key, remove everything on the linux line following ro. If it solves, add back each of the others you wish used one at a time until the problem returns. If it was here I'd probably start by removing only reboot=pci, radeon... and amdgpu > Here's mine (without the nvidia card; if that card were in place, system > boot would not get far enough for me to read and reply to your post): Unless that card is in fact defective in some way, it should be usable. I retested my NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] to confirm its behavior typifies other cards WRT connectors used, which is that xrandr treats as primary port that connector which is physically closest to the motherboard. If yours is like mine, that means the DVI connector is most preferred. Next is the HDMI. When VGA is the only connector used, xrandr reports no primary label. This means best results, or any results with only a single display in use, may require using a DVI (first choice) or HDMI cable (second choice). > I'm not sure the boot > process even reaches the point of launching an xorg server; messages I've > been seeing are at the console. Is another PC available to connect to it via ethernet or wireless, so that a remote login can be tried to see if boot completed and the fault is only the black screen? When you reached the black screen, did you try Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3...Ctrl-Alt-F6? IME, post-init content of vtty1 isn't necessarily determinative in Buster of whether boot succeeded, and only the login manager or X is the blocking culprit. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Trying to add new video card
Thanks, Felix. P:)
>> My amd64 stable ('buster') system has this on the motherboard:
>
>> AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
>
>> In the "Psychedelic colors" thread we added this to the kernal
>> commandline:
>
>> radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1
>
>> ...which, in the long run, may not have been necessary, but it's still
>> there.
>
> They should be inert with no AMD GPU or APU available.
Whatever's on the motherboard (presumably Kaveri) is still present,
nothing done to tell it to sit idly by. Here's the current command line:
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64
root=UUID=c378147d-1aca-4d98-a589-6b47f02e0ef7 ro video=640x400
consoleblank=600 reboot=pci radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1
quiet
>> I plugged in an nvidia GeForce 210 card and essentially lost most
>> functional video, resulting in either "no signal" or a message that
>> meant
>> "I can see a signal but somewhere/somehow, it's not supported", sent by
>> the display, depending on which card I connected to the display via
>> either VGA or DVI cable.
>
>> What am I missing? What do I need to do in order to make use of the
>> nvidia GeForce card?
>
> Is there some leftover manual Kaveri configuration via xrandr, kernel
> cmdline or /etc/X11/xorg.con*? I would expect it to work perfectly
> automagically, like mine:
Here's mine (without the nvidia card; if that card were in place, system
boot would not get far enough for me to read and reply to your post):
inxi -GxxS
System:
Host: saphira Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 8.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 tk: Gtk 2.24.32 wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: amdgpu
v: kernel bus ID: 00:01.0 chip ID: 1002:130f
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: amdgpu,ati
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1600x900~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: AMD KAVERI (DRM 3.27.0 4.19.0-5-amd64 LLVM 7.0.1)
v: 4.5 Mesa 18.3.6 direct render: Yes
xrandr | egrep 'onnect|creen|\*' | grep -v disconn | sort -r
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 900, maximum 16384 x 16384
DVI-D-0 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
443mm x 249mm
1600x900 60.00*+
Grub:
GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="video=640x400 consoleblank=600 reboot=pci
radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1"
# Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs
# This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains
# the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...)
#GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef"
# Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
GRUB_TERMINAL=console
# The resolution used on graphical terminal
# note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'
GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true
# Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries
#GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"
# Uncomment to get a beep at grub start
#GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1"
> Are there (EE) lines in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or
> ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log?
None, presently. with the nvidia card having been removed for now, to
make the computer at all usable - but as mentioned, I'm not sure the boot
process even reaches the point of launching an xorg server; messages I've
been seeing are at the console.
> Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
>
> Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
I was a big OS/2 fan, felt most unhappy when IBM chose not to support
non-commercial users any longer - but then that's how we've come to be
here together on this list, so ... :)
--hobie
Re: Trying to add new video card
ho...@rumormillnews.com composed on 2019-08-04 04:19 (UTC-0400):
> My amd64 stable ('buster') system has this on the motherboard:
> AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
> In the "Psychedelic colors" thread we added this to the kernal commandline:
> radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1
> ...which, in the long run, may not have been necessary, but it's still there.
They should be inert with no AMD GPU or APU available.
> I plugged in an nvidia GeForce 210 card and essentially lost most
> functional video, resulting in either "no signal" or a message that meant
> "I can see a signal but somewhere/somehow, it's not supported", sent by
> the display, depending on which card I connected to the display via either
> VGA or DVI cable.
> What am I missing? What do I need to do in order to make use of the
> nvidia GeForce card?
Is there some leftover manual Kaveri configuration via xrandr, kernel cmdline or
/etc/X11/xorg.con*? I would expect it to work perfectly automagically, like
mine:
> inxi -GxxS
System:Host: hp945 Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v:
8.3.0 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.7
tk: Qt 3.5.0 wm: Twin dm: startx Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver:
nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0
chip ID: 10de:0a65
Display: tty server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded:
fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: NVA8 v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.6 direct render: Yes
> xrandr | egrep 'onnect|creen|\*' | grep -v disconn | sort -r
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 8192 x 8192
DVI-I-1 connected primary 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y
axis) 519mm x 324mm
1920x1200 59.95*+
Are there (EE) lines in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log?
If yes, please share the entire log.
--
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Trying to add new video card
Hi, Folks -
My amd64 stable ('buster') system has this on the motherboard:
AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
In the "Psychedelic colors" thread we added this to the kernal commandline:
radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1
...which, in the long run, may not have been necessary, but it's still there.
I plugged in an nvidia GeForce 210 card and essentially lost most
functional video, resulting in either "no signal" or a message that meant
"I can see a signal but somewhere/somehow, it's not supported", sent by
the display, depending on which card I connected to the display via either
VGA or DVI cable.
What am I missing? What do I need to do in order to make use of the
nvidia GeForce card?
Re: New Video Card
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 00:28:00 Ken Teague wrote: David Baron wrote: No, not a big gamer but newer kde needs opengl. I remember the wierd artifacts in that old Mac64 with my own compiled dri stuff and my son's complaining about that card. The nvidia was great in comparison Artifacts are no good. Of the two cards you mentioned, I think you would have the best luck with the Matrox. The debian way does nothing. I do not have X-configure X-configure isn't a command. X is the command and -configure is the argument to the command. X -configure Yeah, I figured that one out. That's what that lower screen resolution does to ya :-) Ran X -configure with the matrox in, got the Device as mga as should be expected. I noticed that DRI is failing to run. Here is the error: (EE) MGA(0): Static buffer allocation failed, not initializing the DRI (EE) MGA(0): Need at least 9216 kB video memory at this resolution, bit depth This card Millenium has to have more than that. I can modprobe the mgs/drm OK (it did not get done by X). There are no resolution or bit depth options in the xorg.conf. I am certainly ready to run at 16-bit. The xorg.conf file produced by X -configure shows a long list of commented, options but none touching depth or resolution. All the old resolution stuff I had in the old xorg.conf (imported from the xfree version and probably produced by knoppix's configure) are not in the new one or distrib one and may not even apply to the current monitor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
New Video Card
My rusty trusty mx400 legacy nvidia kicked. Had to get another cheap or free. A dealer-friend gave me several to try out, two sockitomes, a voodoo and a matrox-PCI. I have learned a lot. The old mach64 has its dri stuff in the kernel package now but that old 8-megger just never really hacked it. Spending more than a day chasing my tail trying to get either the voodoo-agp or matrox-pci working, trying all kinds of modules options, etc. Learned, use the distributed xorg.conf which has simply configured items and no specific configuration at all and it plays! First time, every time. Why didn't anyone telll me :-) A few kudos: I can only get to 1024x768. With the matrox, at least, I should be able to do better. The old xorg.conf had a slew of resolution items in it. Both cards has frame-buffer drivers. The matrox has a bunch and modprobing any of them makes one see stars ... and little else. Anyway: 1. Which is better (I assume the matrox but am willing to learn otherwise) ? 2. How do I set my xorg.conf now to get higher screen resolution--since xorg now simply loves to simply using default configured everything? 3. Best to use agp instead of pci (I think the two adjacent slots share resources anyway)? 4. Any other tips and docs around? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New Video Card
David Baron wrote: 1. Which is better (I assume the matrox but am willing to learn otherwise) ? Allegedly, Matrox cards has had great support under X for quite some time. I guess the real answer to this will be dependent upon what type of stuff you do on your PC. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume things that don't require a lot of 3D rendering. 2. How do I set my xorg.conf now to get higher screen resolution--since xorg now simply loves to simply using default configured everything? 1. Backup your current xorg.conf file. 2. X -configure I'm not sure about Debian 5, but previous versions of reconfiguring the X server The Debian Way (TM) didn't let X use its own probing which seems to work really well on the hardware I've done it on. X -configure always worked out better for me. 3. Best to use agp instead of pci (I think the two adjacent slots share resources anyway)? AGP is newer and supports more data throughput than PCI, but both of those technologies are very old. This is why I'm assuming you're not doing any heavy 3D work (graphics or games), so either/or will work for what you're using it for. 4. Any other tips and docs around? Always wear a wool sweater and wool socks, then drag your feet on furry carpets before you begin working inside your PC. When you feel the electricity arc between your fingertip and a component on your computer, everything should run twice as fast. JUST KIDDING! Don't do that! Next time you submit a question, it would be helpful to know which release of Debian you're using and which version of X. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New Video Card
David Baron wrote: 1. Which is better (I assume the matrox but am willing to learn otherwise) ? Allegedly, Matrox cards has had great support under X for quite some time. I guess the real answer to this will be dependent upon what type of stuff you do on your PC. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume things that don't require a lot of 3D rendering. No, not a big gamer but newer kde needs opengl. I remember the wierd artifacts in that old Mac64 with my own compiled dri stuff and my son's complaining about that card. The nvidia was great in comparison 2. How do I set my xorg.conf now to get higher screen resolution--since xorg now simply loves to simply using default configured everything? 1. Backup your current xorg.conf file. 2. X -configure I'm not sure about Debian 5, but previous versions of reconfiguring the X server The Debian Way (TM) didn't let X use its own probing which seems to work really well on the hardware I've done it on. X -configure always worked out better for me. The debian way does nothing. I do not have X-configure 3. Best to use agp instead of pci (I think the two adjacent slots share resources anyway)? AGP is newer and supports more data throughput than PCI, but both of those technologies are very old. This is why I'm assuming you're not doing any heavy 3D work (graphics or games), so either/or will work for what you're using it for. Apparently that voodoo is no slouch at all. Maybe I'll just go with the one my friend will sell me for less. KDE4 looks the same with both. 4. Any other tips and docs around? Always wear a wool sweater and wool socks, then drag your feet on furry carpets before you begin working inside your PC. When you feel the electricity arc between your fingertip and a component on your computer, everything should run twice as fast. JUST KIDDING! Don't do that! I've seen professional tech do just at that. Luckily I did not have a gun at the time. Next time you submit a question, it would be helpful to know which release of Debian you're using and which version of X. :-) Debian Sid (KDE4 off experimental), Xorg off Sid. That fact that these cards played with no configuration is a great one-up on windows which paces you through the find and install new software routine. I just want my 1200 lines back. BTW, I compiled the voodoo 3d modules (stated as experimental) for the kernel but most likely uses glide for the voodoo since it worked without them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New Video Card
David Baron wrote: No, not a big gamer but newer kde needs opengl. I remember the wierd artifacts in that old Mac64 with my own compiled dri stuff and my son's complaining about that card. The nvidia was great in comparison Artifacts are no good. Of the two cards you mentioned, I think you would have the best luck with the Matrox. The debian way does nothing. I do not have X-configure X-configure isn't a command. X is the command and -configure is the argument to the command. X -configure -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
New video card-what to do ?
Hi list My system is debian testing (etch) AMD64x2 I have bought a new video card Nvidia 6200 TC 64 bit 256MB DDR2, which should be better than my ATI Radeon X700se, according to several forums, for 3D composite rendering. Now after what I've read about this, on this list, it should be sufficient to do the following: 1. Change the video card 2. boot and kill X + running openGL daemons 3. aptitude install: - nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 - nvida-glx - nvidia-glx-ia32 for 32 app-support - nvidia-settings - nvidia-xconfig 4. Reboot Is this the way to do it ?? I haven't done this before, so every help are appreciated :) -- /Niels Registred Linux user #133791 Get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New video card-what to do ?
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 23:38 +0100, Niels Rasmussen wrote: Hi list My system is debian testing (etch) AMD64x2 I have bought a new video card Nvidia 6200 TC 64 bit 256MB DDR2, which should be better than my ATI Radeon X700se, according to several forums, for 3D composite rendering. Now after what I've read about this, on this list, it should be sufficient to do the following: 1. Change the video card 2. boot and kill X + running openGL daemons 3. aptitude install: - nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 - nvida-glx - nvidia-glx-ia32 for 32 app-support - nvidia-settings - nvidia-xconfig 4. Reboot Is this the way to do it ?? I haven't done this before, so every help are appreciated :) Typical setup also includes some form of: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg Select the proper settings, and restart X. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Video Card.
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Ok, I now understand why it's narrows it down... Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem... Do you know another site having delivers to México? That's what Google is for... I'm afraid that experience shows that googling for videocard suppliers in Mexico might provide answers but whether they are of any use is another matter. Jaime, if you find such a Newegg like supplier in Mexico could you post it? I would like that myself. My answer now is wait until I have to go to the US and then order from Newegg. Slow at best since I try to avoid going north. H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Video Card.
Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: New Video Card.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. How much money do you have to spend? PCIe or AGP? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEt7fCS9HxQb37XmcRAiMbAJwNXh7SJiilo8WUOa9FWCIiWxxxhwCgmNlr uSwmnYjPm6G0Abgq95oPe2g= =+P9N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 10:04:12AM -0500, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 hi while i havn't tried the nvidia drivers lately, basically nvidia just makes gpus and has others build the graphic cards. that said i must tell you that the nvidia drivers aren't without problems either to my expirience...and actully the fglrx drivers do work for me at the moment... yours Albert - -- Albert Dengg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEt7w3hrtSwvbWj0kRAgDzAJ9bMZ+LLhSPH4AlANl0+jyCeYQLPgCfSE2x NY1D8hCv73C++89Vpg032Mk= =DJcy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Video Card.
I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? u can buy nvidia graphic card and download the linux drivers from www.nvidia.com. At this point, i will use 2d/3d acceleration hw with nvidia module in Xorg or use nv driver (native xorg) This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. I use nvidia since many years.. i don't had problems :-) psycheye -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Video Card.
AGP Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but isn't mandatory. Thanks On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. How much money do you have to spend? PCIe or AGP? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEt7fCS9HxQb37XmcRAiMbAJwNXh7SJiilo8WUOa9FWCIiWxxxhwCgmNlr uSwmnYjPm6G0Abgq95oPe2g= =+P9N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: New Video Card.
On 7/14/06, Albert Dengg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 10:04:12AM -0500, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 hi while i havn't tried the nvidia drivers lately, basically nvidia just makes gpus and has others build the graphic cards. That's confirm my guess. Thanks. that said i must tell you that the nvidia drivers aren't without problems either to my expirience...and actully the fglrx drivers do work for me at the moment... I know that, but my experience with ATI is too poor, and in amd64 list the most promising card seems to be nvidia. yours Albert - -- Albert Dengg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEt7w3hrtSwvbWj0kRAgDzAJ9bMZ+LLhSPH4AlANl0+jyCeYQLPgCfSE2x NY1D8hCv73C++89Vpg032Mk= =DJcy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: New Video Card.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, that narrows it down. Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips. http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48 This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards. NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially cheaper than USD300. Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: AGP Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but isn't mandatory. Thanks On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. How much money do you have to spend? PCIe or AGP? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEt88uS9HxQb37XmcRAuB0AJ0RU1xsKRp05bFUBC2JRAirP5qFogCg5uIM kG2YbXdrqZ35gXwGAe8RpFo= =uClU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Video Card.
Ok, I now understand why it's narrows it down... Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem... Do you know another site having delivers to México? In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it work too on amd64. At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc... I already have a incompatible card. Thanks for all the bothers. On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, that narrows it down. Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips. http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48 This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards. NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially cheaper than USD300. Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: AGP Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but isn't mandatory. Thanks On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. How much money do you have to spend? PCIe or AGP? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEt88uS9HxQb37XmcRAuB0AJ0RU1xsKRp05bFUBC2JRAirP5qFogCg5uIM kG2YbXdrqZ35gXwGAe8RpFo= =uClU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: New Video Card.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Ok, I now understand why it's narrows it down... Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem... Do you know another site having delivers to México? That's what Google is for... In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it work too on amd64. At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc... I'm sure it will. Card companies have seen the writing on the wall for some time now. I already have a incompatible card. That's just because ATI doesn't care about Linux. Thanks for all the bothers. On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, that narrows it down. Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips. http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48 This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards. NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially cheaper than USD300. Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: AGP Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but isn't mandatory. Thanks On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. How much money do you have to spend? PCIe or AGP? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFEt+RoS9HxQb37XmcRAjp/AJ9dIiJO8Ru3NsTXoOKR0WSwb6V94ACWKrof onUCLO/EZnS0OnvhRyn2Zg== =xOs0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Video Card.
On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Ok, I now understand why it's narrows it down... Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem... Do you know another site having delivers to México? That's what Google is for... I know I'm looking for it... Thanks for all your help. In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it work too on amd64. At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc... I'm sure it will. Card companies have seen the writing on the wall for some time now. I already have a incompatible card. That's just because ATI doesn't care about Linux. Thanks for all the bothers. On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, that narrows it down. Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips. http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48 This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards. NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially cheaper than USD300. Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: AGP Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but isn't mandatory. Thanks On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote: Hi, I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I try to install it. I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards? I haven't a wide offer of products anyway... This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers because I really have been looking for a card with wide video capabilities under Linux to enjoy it. http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2l2=7l3=0model=992modelmenu=1 I'm not in this list please copy me. How much money do you have to spend? PCIe or AGP? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFEt+RoS9HxQb37XmcRAjp/AJ9dIiJO8Ru3NsTXoOKR0WSwb6V94ACWKrof onUCLO/EZnS0OnvhRyn2Zg== =xOs0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: New Video Card
On 13 Jun, Keith O'Connell wrote: Hi, I just replaced the Voodoo Banshee in a machine with a Hercules 3D Prophet 4000XT card. I thought the choice of card would be straight forward when I re-ran xf86config, but it isn't. Can anyone else running this card tell me which driver I should use for XFree86 4? Keith You need to download the linux kyro drivers from www.power.com/downloads.asp These will work for a high res X desktop but they are useless for gaming (at least I can't get them to work properly). These are only beta drivers but there isn't any information on release dates for next betas. pgpZdmuSHDPwE.pgp Description: PGP signature
New Video Card
Hi, I just replaced the Voodoo Banshee in a machine with a Hercules 3D Prophet 4000XT card. I thought the choice of card would be straight forward when I re-ran xf86config, but it isn't. Can anyone else running this card tell me which driver I should use for XFree86 4? Keith -- Keith O'Connell. Maidstone, Kent. (UK) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: new video card darker than old
OK now this is _really_ off-topic: my ATI Xpert 98 makes X seem a bit darker than my old mach32 card. It's also a different X server. It's not a big deal really, but I'm curious if this is normal. -chris
Re: OT: new video card darker than old
...same here. (i just thought it was something funny about netscape, which is where i noticed it.) i wonder what gives? now getting ready to perch, bentley taylor (potato on 2.2.16) // Krzys Majewski wrote: [snip] my ATI Xpert 98 makes X seem a bit darker than ... [snip] -chris -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: OT: new video card darker than old
13:28:47~$ apt-cache search perch 13:28:56~$ -chris now getting ready to perch, bentley taylor (potato on 2.2.16)
(no problems) Re: X, new video card, and servers.
When you say that it's a 3.3.3.1 server, I assume this means it won't work with 3.3.2, and I've heard that compiling xfree is a pain (though haven't tried it). Is there an experimental version somewhere (I've looked in /debian/project/experimental -- is there another repository of experimental packages?) It's working without a hint of trouble on my system. I'm currently running the most current X packages out of slink (3.3.2.3), plus the pre-compiled 3DLabs server (glibc2, 3.3.3.1) from the XFree86 site. Now whether it's by chance or design that the two versions co-exist peacefully, I really can't say... This is excellent news! I heard on debian-devel a week or so ago that someone had some experimental 3.3.3.1 packages available, though I don't have the address handy. A quick search through the mailing-list archives ought to turn it up, tho. I'll have a look. Thanks for the info, I'll report back when I pop the card in. -Dano
X, new video card, and servers.
I recently bought a new 2D/3D video card based on the 3DLabs chipset, and the www.xfree86.org serverlist tells me to use the XF86_3DLabs server. This isn't included in the debian distrobution. I'm not sure if that server is only for 3.3.3 and I'm not quite sure how to find out. My question is a) is it for 3.3.3 only and if so, are there any 3.3.3 debs? If not, are there docs on compiling my own X server and inserting it into debian's list? I would want to remove my old xserver-mach64, but AFAIK dpkg would complain about dependencies. Just a few frantic questions before the card makes it to my door. Thanks a lot! -Dano
Re: X, new video card, and servers.
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Gregory T. Norris wrote: Thanks very much. I was actually kind of hoping for an RTFM answer too so that I could find this stuff out in the future without posting questions to the list that I could probably find out by reading some manual. the XFree howto doesn't have specific info on 3.3.2 vs 3.3.3, and I find the xfree86.org site difficult to navigate. the /etc/X11/Xserver tip is exactly what I needed, thanks a million! I've banged my head on aliening RPMs before, do Xservers typically alien well? When you say that it's a 3.3.3.1 server, I assume this means it won't work with 3.3.2, and I've heard that compiling xfree is a pain (though haven't tried it). Is there an experimental version somewhere (I've looked in /debian/project/experimental -- is there another repository of experimental packages?) Thanks again for your help. -Dano It is indeed a 3.3.3.1 server. Essentially, you can just download the pre-compiled binary from your favorite XFree86 mirror-site, and extract it under /usr/local somewhere. Then edit the first line of /etc/X11/Xserver to specify the new server. Of course, once 3.3.3.1 has been packaged (probably won't be much longer, now that slink is [again] almost out the door), you won't need to worry about all of the above. If you'd prefer, I can send you a .deb package for that server which was converted from the tarball via alien (it's not particularly large). You'd still need to edit /etc/X11/Xserver manually. I recently bought a new 2D/3D video card based on the 3DLabs chipset, and the www.xfree86.org serverlist tells me to use the XF86_3DLabs server. This isn't included in the debian distrobution. I'm not sure if that server is only for 3.3.3 and I'm not quite sure how to find out. My question is a) is it for 3.3.3 only and if so, are there any 3.3.3 debs? If not, are there docs on compiling my own X server and inserting it into debian's list? I would want to remove my old xserver-mach64, but AFAIK dpkg would complain about dependencies. Just a few frantic questions before the card makes it to my door. Thanks a lot! -Dano
Re: X, new video card, and servers.
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 12:46:16PM -0500, Daniel J. Brosemer wrote: I recently bought a new 2D/3D video card based on the 3DLabs chipset, and the www.xfree86.org serverlist tells me to use the XF86_3DLabs server. This isn't included in the debian distrobution. I'm not sure if that server is only for 3.3.3 and I'm not quite sure how to find out. Yes, I believe that card is supported by the 3.3.3 servers. My question is a) is it for 3.3.3 only and if so, are there any 3.3.3 debs? If not, are there docs on compiling my own X server and inserting it into debian's list? I would want to remove my old xserver-mach64, but AFAIK dpkg would complain about dependencies. See http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html. Also, I doubt anything depends explicitly on xserver-mach64; once another X server is installed, it should be perfectly safe to remove the Mach64 server. -- G. Branden Robinson |There's nothing an agnostic can't do Debian GNU/Linux |if he doesn't know whether he believes [EMAIL PROTECTED] |in it or not. cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ |-- Graham Chapman pgpl8mZ3TVBch.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X, new video card, and servers.
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 03:12:08PM -0500, Daniel J. Brosemer wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Gregory T. Norris wrote: Thanks very much. I was actually kind of hoping for an RTFM answer too so that I could find this stuff out in the future without posting questions to the list that I could probably find out by reading some manual. the XFree howto doesn't have specific info on 3.3.2 vs 3.3.3, and I find the xfree86.org site difficult to navigate. the /etc/X11/Xserver tip is exactly what I needed, thanks a million! No problem. I was never able to find the XFree86 3.3.2 vs 3.3.3 stuff spelled out clearly either. In fact, most of the info I got on came from this very list. g I've banged my head on aliening RPMs before, do Xservers typically alien well? In this case they will. The tarballs from the XFree86 ftp-site each contain only a single file - the precompiled binary itself. Running alien on it will only extract it from the original archive and repack it into a debfile. I'd be a little more reluctant to convert it had it originally been a rpm archive, as I've had much less luck with those... generally because of the differing file-structure layout between Debian and Red Hat. Still, if there's only one file in the archive... When you say that it's a 3.3.3.1 server, I assume this means it won't work with 3.3.2, and I've heard that compiling xfree is a pain (though haven't tried it). Is there an experimental version somewhere (I've looked in /debian/project/experimental -- is there another repository of experimental packages?) It's working without a hint of trouble on my system. I'm currently running the most current X packages out of slink (3.3.2.3), plus the pre-compiled 3DLabs server (glibc2, 3.3.3.1) from the XFree86 site. Now whether it's by chance or design that the two versions co-exist peacefully, I really can't say... I heard on debian-devel a week or so ago that someone had some experimental 3.3.3.1 packages available, though I don't have the address handy. A quick search through the mailing-list archives ought to turn it up, tho.
FW: Off topic-New Video Card
-Original Message- From: Abercromby James SSgt 31CS/SCBBD Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:44 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:Off topic-New Video Card Importance: High I know this is off topic But I don't' have access to newgroups anymore so I figured I would ask I am building a new machine based on a FIC PA-2013 Super 7 MB w/AMD-k6 III 400 or 450 And I want to get a really rocking high end video card that will be fully supported under xfree86 -more specifically easy to install and configure under debian SLINK when it's released. I was leaning more towards the Matrox Mystique or Millenium. Budget and price from 100-150 US dollars. I was checking xfree86's page and there seems to be a lot of newer cards supported under xfree86 3.3.3 But debian doesn't have it packaged except for a guy named vincent but the pkgs are not official yet. Please feel free to send comments suggestions, experience insight and info To [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. IS AGP COMPLETELY SUPPORTED AS OF THIS TIME?
Re: FW: Off topic-New Video Card
On 23 Feb, Abercromby James SSgt 31CS/SCBBD wrote: -Original Message- From: Abercromby James SSgt 31CS/SCBBD Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:44 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Off topic-New Video Card Importance: High I know this is off topic But I don't' have access to newgroups anymore so I figured I would ask I am building a new machine based on a FIC PA-2013 Super 7 MB w/AMD-k6 III 400 or 450 And I want to get a really rocking high end video card that will be fully supported under xfree86 -more specifically easy to install and configure under debian SLINK when it's released. I was leaning more towards the Matrox Mystique or Millenium. Budget and price from 100-150 US dollars. I was checking xfree86's page and there seems to be a lot of newer cards supported under xfree86 3.3.3 But debian doesn't have it packaged except for a guy named vincent but the pkgs are not official yet. Please feel free to send comments suggestions, experience insight and info To [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. IS AGP COMPLETELY SUPPORTED AS OF THIS TIME? I'm using a Nvidia Riva TNT AGP with no problems. The card really rocks, and I highly recommend it (esp. with Nvidia working w/ the XFree86 team). It is fully supported in 3.3.3 (you can just d/l the svga server to make it work with slink). Chris
Re: new monitor-need new video card
Kenneth Scharf hat gesagt: // Kenneth Scharf wrote: I just bought a new 19 monitor to replace my old 15. Now I can use better than 1024x768 and be able to read it! But my 2m s3 card probably has maxed out. I can get a pci s3v card with 4m for $40, anyone have an idea which server will play The SVGA server supports this chipset. -- ____ Frank Barknecht __ __ trip\ \ / /wire __ / __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ \/ / __ \\ ___\ / / / / / / / // // /\ \\ ___\\ \ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_//_// / \ \\_\\_\ /_/\_\
new monitor-need new video card
I just bought a new 19 monitor to replace my old 15. Now I can use better than 1024x768 and be able to read it! But my 2m s3 card probably has maxed out. I can get a pci s3v card with 4m for $40, anyone have an idea which server will play, and what max res it will give me? The monitor will sync up to 85khz hor and 160hz vertical! _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new monitor-need new video card
On Sat, Sep 19, 1998 at 03:05:16PM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote: I just bought a new 19 monitor to replace my old 15. Now I can use better than 1024x768 and be able to read it! But my 2m s3 card probably has maxed out. I can get a pci s3v card with 4m for $40, anyone have an idea which server will play, and what max res it will give me? The monitor will sync up to 85khz hor and 160hz vertical! x*x*0.75*color depth/8 = 4*2^20 colordepth: 8 bit = 2364*1773 16 bit = 1672*1254 24 bit = 1365*1024 Maybe enough for your needs. I wouldn't care about the refresh rates. Calculating the modelines will be fun. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
