Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 04:47:14PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 09/03/12 02:40, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 08 mar 12, 12:52:01, Andrei POPESCU wrote: You can post them here as long as they are Debian related[2]. If there is a better list for any specific question you will get hints. Sorry list, I didn't expect what was about to come... Kind regards, Andrei No need to apologise. This'll be great. Just answer all the questions. I've got popcorn. :-) No hot butter on mine. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRCemf2JHc -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120528114807.GF20883@tal
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Jo, 08 mar 12, 05:42:51, Stayvoid wrote: Hi there. I've recently read Securing Debian Manual and I have some newbie questions connected with security. I've thought that debian-security is the right list for them, but I was wrong. What is the proper list for such questions? debian-user is a good start. Here is an example: What is more secure: dedicated server or VPS? I've been told that a hoster has an ability to look through the files on the VM. A machine (including any virtual hosts on it) can not be 100% secured from people having physical access to it. Why people use this solution for MTAs? Why not? (see also Paul's message) Do they care about privacy? Unknown. Is it possible to hide your data from the staff? No[1]. P.S. I have more questions to ask and I don't really know where to post them. So I need your advice. Sorry for the OT. You can post them here as long as they are Debian related[2]. If there is a better list for any specific question you will get hints. [1] It is possible to deposit data on a remote host (e.g. encrypted), if it is just for storage reasons, but if the host can access the un-encrypted data, the staff can read it too. [2] if you actually run gNewSense or any other Debian derivative you should ask there instead, since the developers may have made customizations we are not aware of and our advice may be completely wrong. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
A machine (including any virtual hosts on it) can not be 100% secured from people having physical access to it. So the only solution in this case is to run the server at my place. Right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_Ff7z-1TQU8F=KxHrNQBd=P2iNuF5B3n8SgJU-K=cn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Jo, 08 mar 12, 14:56:03, Stayvoid wrote: A machine (including any virtual hosts on it) can not be 100% secured from people having physical access to it. So the only solution in this case is to run the server at my place. Right? Depends on your paranoia, since your place is not 100% secure either ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Jo, 08 mar 12, 12:52:01, Andrei POPESCU wrote: You can post them here as long as they are Debian related[2]. If there is a better list for any specific question you will get hints. Sorry list, I didn't expect what was about to come... Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:40:26 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 08 mar 12, 12:52:01, Andrei POPESCU wrote: You can post them here as long as they are Debian related[2]. If there is a better list for any specific question you will get hints. Sorry list, I didn't expect what was about to come... Nothing to regret, we all know you did it with your best of intentions; we can't foresee other user's reactions :-) I wonder why the OP didn't keep all the questions in just one thread if they are addressed to the same subject. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jjal2v$ek5$8...@dough.gmane.org
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On 08/03/12 16:40, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 08 mar 12, 12:52:01, Andrei POPESCU wrote: You can post them here as long as they are Debian related[2]. If there is a better list for any specific question you will get hints. Sorry list, I didn't expect what was about to come... nobody did Sayvoid, your questions shows a lack of research. Most of them could be answered with the right google search. Also, Im happy to see you are eager to learn, but start reading the debian-reference for starters (apt-get install debian-reference; dpkg -L debian-reference) prior reading securing-debian... Also, if you still have to make THESE many questions (that i really think you didnt google about most of them), either space them in time, or post a single mail with a semi-descriptive subject saying something like Lots of noobish questions or something along those lines, where ppl can answer you inline... while you avoid spaming the list... greets! alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f58d5b5.6000...@qindel.com
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Qua, 07 Mar 2012, Stayvoid wrote: Hi there. I've recently read Securing Debian Manual and I have some newbie questions connected with security. I've thought that debian-security is the right list for them, but I was wrong. What is the proper list for such questions? Why do you think debian-security was the wrong list? You even got answers to some questions you posted there, what's wrong with those? -- Life is like an analogy. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120308133323.horde.qlnjlkisjlfpwn9t3lqz...@mail.kalinowski.com.br
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
I wonder why the OP didn't keep all the questions in just one thread if they are addressed to the same subject. Sorry again. I've though it was a good idea to split those because some issues may lead to a long discussion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_G2vXMKHm7qUGTboq=K0aA0NJ6muOH=rtc_9fn2mgh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
nobody did Sorry. I learned my lesson. Most of them could be answered with the right google search. It's true, but most of the answers you get will be something like do foo because foo is a Good Thing. I want to know the reason for doing foo. Also, Im happy to see you are eager to learn, but start reading the debian-reference for starters (apt-get install debian-reference; dpkg -L debian-reference) prior reading securing-debian... OK. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_fhwedumkr5vsjauty5r5xa77njmdn+wyludxaugdk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
Why do you think debian-security was the wrong list? You even got answers to some questions you posted there, what's wrong with those? People told me (in private) that my questions are not connected with security and I shouldn't post them there. I've also been told that debian-security is used only for the security announcements. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_ene2cq58fnscnqmrsecsxta3-txpm7mh-rkle5zfd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: I wonder why the OP didn't keep all the questions in just one thread if they are addressed to the same subject. Sorry again. I've though it was a good idea to split those because some issues may lead to a long discussion. I have no problems with long discussions provided they're properly tagged in the subject (e.g., feedback needed or OT as you did) and kept in the same thread (if there are diversions from the original subject it can be then edited accordingly). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jjarkk$ek5$1...@dough.gmane.org
OT: Newbie questions on security
Hi there. I've recently read Securing Debian Manual and I have some newbie questions connected with security. I've thought that debian-security is the right list for them, but I was wrong. What is the proper list for such questions? Here is an example: What is more secure: dedicated server or VPS? I've been told that a hoster has an ability to look through the files on the VM. Why people use this solution for MTAs? Do they care about privacy? Is it possible to hide your data from the staff? Cheers P.S. I have more questions to ask and I don't really know where to post them. So I need your advice. Sorry for the OT. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_gmprjr1frnbrbrro6coecrokqghysikotaccooyfp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT: Newbie questions on security
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Stayvoid stayv...@gmail.com wrote: What is more secure: dedicated server or VPS? I've been told that a hoster has an ability to look through the files on the VM. Why people use this solution for MTAs? Do they care about privacy? Is it possible to hide your data from the staff? For an MTA, there's not really any difference. If the email isn't encrypted using something like OpenPGP, etc, then it's basically an electronic postcard readable to anybody along the cables and mail relays it passes through. Doesn't make a lick of difference. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMPM96pAYn9Cd22q=iyjgt0vhcwqqc7fsjfog75h6kqyjbw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Ma, 04 oct 11, 12:32:29, kei...@strucktower.com wrote: I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? wicd-curses is far superior to any NM alternatives. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:32:29 -0700, keitho wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:02:37 -0700, keitho wrote: (...) BTW, the package which contains the applet is network-manager-gnome which you seem to have installed so you should be able to launch it by running nm-applet --sm-disable. Thank you for replying. It turns out that I did have the applet, but still could not connect. I finally figured out that the problem was due to my misunderstanding the difference between managed and not managed... I had inadvertently left some configuration info in my /etc/network/interfaces file that was interfering with the network-manager. After I removed the lines from the interfaces file everything now works as expected. Great! :-) Thank you again, you have been very helpful to me, and others on the debian-users list, more than once. You're welcome. I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? Mmm, I think network manager can be also used from command line (nmcli), but I'm not sure about its full capabilities :-? (...) Look, this article may help, I think it points to almost all of the possibilities: *** Configure wireless network from the command line http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/21541/configure-wireless-network-from-the-command-line *** Another option could be avoiding NM to manage the wifi interface and manually set the required settings by means of /etc/network/interfaces in join with wpa_supplicant, but this method seems annoying for a road warrior configuration :-): http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.05.14.13...@gmail.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:02:37 -0700, keitho wrote: I hate to say this, but I am confused about how to configure wireless on my Wheezy laptop system. (...) But I can't seem to figure out which software packages I need to do this. I am downloading the deb packages on a different computer then transfering them via USB flashdrive to my laptop, then using dpkg -i to install them. Of course I have had to get all the package dependencies, which takes time. So far I have installed wireless-tools, network-manager, wpasupplicant, network-manager-gnome, and a bunch of lib dependiencies. But I don't have an network-manager-applet. When I look online for an applet I only find the source, not a binary deb package. (...) That's strange. If you installed wheezy and selected desktop and laptop tools templates, network manager (as well as the required files, like the applet) should have been installed automatically by default :-? BTW, the package which contains the applet is network-manager-gnome which you seem to have installed so you should be able to launch it by running nm-applet --sm-disable. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.04.17.19...@gmail.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
Thank you for replying. It turns out that I did have the applet, but still could not connect. I finally figured out that the problem was due to my misunderstanding the difference between managed and not managed... I had inadvertently left some configuration info in my /etc/network/interfaces file that was interfering with the network-manager. After I removed the lines from the interfaces file everything now works as expected. Thank you again, you have been very helpful to me, and others on the debian-users list, more than once. I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? Keith Ostertag On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:02:37 -0700, keitho wrote: I hate to say this, but I am confused about how to configure wireless on my Wheezy laptop system. (...) But I can't seem to figure out which software packages I need to do this. I am downloading the deb packages on a different computer then transfering them via USB flashdrive to my laptop, then using dpkg -i to install them. Of course I have had to get all the package dependencies, which takes time. So far I have installed wireless-tools, network-manager, wpasupplicant, network-manager-gnome, and a bunch of lib dependiencies. But I don't have an network-manager-applet. When I look online for an applet I only find the source, not a binary deb package. (...) That's strange. If you installed wheezy and selected desktop and laptop tools templates, network manager (as well as the required files, like the applet) should have been installed automatically by default :-? BTW, the package which contains the applet is network-manager-gnome which you seem to have installed so you should be able to launch it by running nm-applet --sm-disable. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/56eed7bba68ad3ef84101b1f5b77f1aa.squir...@webmail.strucktower.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Tue 04 Oct 2011 at 12:32:29 -0700, kei...@strucktower.com wrote: I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? How attractive does cnetworkmanager look to you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111004235226.GA23580@desktop
newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
I hate to say this, but I am confused about how to configure wireless on my Wheezy laptop system. I originally installed Wheezy from a weekly net install, which means that I had to add components I wanted. At one point I had the wireless working through trial and error configuring the /etc/network/interfaces file for my home wireless. But now currently I am out-of-town with my laptop, so I want to setup Gnome to use an applet which will automatically scan available wireless networks that I can choose from, and prompt me for the security key when one is selected (if needed). This is the normal setup I see on other people's laptops, and is the default when I boot from a Knoppix cd, for instance. But I can't seem to figure out which software packages I need to do this. I am downloading the deb packages on a different computer then transfering them via USB flashdrive to my laptop, then using dpkg -i to install them. Of course I have had to get all the package dependencies, which takes time. So far I have installed wireless-tools, network-manager, wpasupplicant, network-manager-gnome, and a bunch of lib dependiencies. But I don't have an network-manager-applet. When I look online for an applet I only find the source, not a binary deb package. I have read the wiki page on network-manager and the /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian, but they confuse me and seem to be for hard coding a particular wireless connection- not what I want. Can someone help explain to me how to do this and/or what I am doing wrong? Thanks, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1ca239b43f5aae2457bcfba09373182a.squir...@webmail.strucktower.com
Re: daft newbie questions
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 04:37:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 17:33 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:06:31 +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: I thought Wheezey was still on Gnome 2.30, not even 2.32? I guessed the OP was using an Evolution from another distribution. Current Evolution for testing's GNOME 2.30.2 is 3.0.3. Yes, but the OP could be using another EVO not packaged by Debian. If you've got friends who are journalists in China, than you better don't use Evolution. You might use the undo option and this will send the email, before you encrypted it, so this little bug might be the cause that your friends will be killed by the Chinese government. I can understand that you have been hit by Evo recently but hey, we all have bad days and we all now software can fail. I don't know what that undo function is all about but if it does what I think it does (similar to Gmail's undo ability) then I would not rely on it, I mean, on the function, not the program. You can't blame the messenger :-) Ive been trying 3.0 out on Fedora and think its great ( Gnome 3 that is not Fedora ;) A few rough edges on the new System Prefs app but nothing that wont be polished up in time. If you like GNOME 3 + gnome-shell then you're fortunate. GNOME 3 will bring us a lot of pain :(. More than GNOME 3 I'd say gnome-shell. GNOME 3 is quite good in wheezy. Fortunately there are a lot of discussions about the DE that will replace GNOME for many people, as soon as GNOME 2 will be dropped. I will give GNOME 3 (gnome-shell) a chance but I don't discard moving to another desktop (or even try luck with a WM) in the event it becomes something unable to deal with. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.02.09.42...@gmail.com
daft newbie questions
Hi I've taken refuge from Kernel 3.0 and gnome3. can someone point me to where I can find libdvdcss and the w32/mpeg4 codecs.I can find reference to 32bit, but not amd64 And is firefox in a repo somewhere ?, ice weasle hasn't so opened as the lock file is set, is that in .mozilla ??? Thanks Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1317465395.10311.29.ca...@bigun.g8jvm.com
Re: daft newbie questions
Am Samstag, 1. Oktober 2011 schrieb Richard Bown: Hi Richard, Hi I've taken refuge from Kernel 3.0 and gnome3. can someone point me to where I can find libdvdcss and the w32/mpeg4 maybe you find the required things here. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ codecs.I can find reference to 32bit, but not amd64 And is firefox in a repo somewhere ?, ice weasle hasn't so opened as the lock file is set, is that in .mozilla ??? Thanks Richard Good luck Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110011329.17870.hans.ullr...@loop.de
Re: daft newbie questions
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:36:35 +0100, Richard Bown wrote: I've taken refuge from Kernel 3.0 and gnome3. I also have problems with kernel 3.0. It -somehow- breaks my wifi card, still investigating... Wheeze's GNOME 3 is still manageable :-) can someone point me to where I can find libdvdcss and the w32/mpeg4 codecs.I can find reference to 32bit, but not amd64 Both should be available in Debian Multimedia, cant't you see them there? And is firefox in a repo somewhere ?, Firefox can be downloaded directly from Mozilla but... ice weasle hasn't so opened as the lock file is set, is that in .mozilla ??? ...You mean you cannot open Icewasel? :-? Try by killing any instance it could be running in the background and it that still fails, try by renaming your ~/.mozilla folder to create a fresh new one. BTW, the lock file is under ~/.mozilla/firefox/[profile.default]/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.01.11.31...@gmail.com
Re: daft newbie questions
Hi I've taken refuge from Kernel 3.0 and gnome3. can someone point me to where I can find libdvdcss and the w32/mpeg4 codecs.I can find reference to 32bit, but not amd64 I get these from debian-multimedia.org. And is firefox in a repo somewhere ?, ice weasle hasn't so opened as the lock file is set, is that in .mozilla ??? You don't need a new browser, you just need to clear the lock file. Look in your profile, in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox. Delete everything with lock in the name, but be careful, your bookmarks and browser state are in here too. If you don't value your bookmarks, you can just trash this whole directory and start over, but that's rather extreme, of course. For newer iceweasels, there are packages at mozilla.debian.net, although a word of warning, I am currently having a minor issue with the flash plug-in on iceweasel 6.0.2 on 64-bit squeeze -- occasional random crashes, it's usable, but annoying. -- A. -- Andrew Reid / rei...@bellatlantic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201110010737.44916.rei...@bellatlantic.net
Re: daft newbie questions
I thought Wheezey was still on Gnome 2.30, not even 2.32? Im hoping Gnome 3.4 or 3.6 will be polished enough to make it into Wheezey when it goes stable. Ive been trying 3.0 out on Fedora and think its great ( Gnome 3 that is not Fedora ;) A few rough edges on the new System Prefs app but nothing that wont be polished up in time. Sent from iPhone On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:31, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I also have problems with kernel 3.0. It -somehow- breaks my wifi card, still investigating... Wheeze's GNOME 3 is still manageable :-)
Re: daft newbie questions
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:06:31 +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: I thought Wheezey was still on Gnome 2.30, not even 2.32? I guessed the OP was using an Evolution from another distribution. Im hoping Gnome 3.4 or 3.6 will be polished enough to make it into Wheezey when it goes stable. GNOME 3 is already in wheezhy. What still is not there is the fearsome gnome-shell }:-) Ive been trying 3.0 out on Fedora and think its great ( Gnome 3 that is not Fedora ;) A few rough edges on the new System Prefs app but nothing that wont be polished up in time. If you like GNOME 3 + gnome-shell then you're fortunate. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.01.17.33...@gmail.com
Re: daft newbie questions
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:33:48 +, Camaleón wrote: If you like GNOME 3 + gnome-shell then you're fortunate. I switched from GNOME to LXDE when Fedora 15 emerged with GNOME3, and have never looked back. I was a happy enough GNOME 2 user, but with hindsight wish I had moved sooner. I now use LXDE on Debian Squeeze as well as Fedora 15/16, and am a very happy camper indeed. Robust, flexible, easy to configure and lightning fast. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j67mtv$omf$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: daft newbie questions
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 17:33 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:06:31 +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: I thought Wheezey was still on Gnome 2.30, not even 2.32? I guessed the OP was using an Evolution from another distribution. Current Evolution for testing's GNOME 2.30.2 is 3.0.3. If you've got friends who are journalists in China, than you better don't use Evolution. You might use the undo option and this will send the email, before you encrypted it, so this little bug might be the cause that your friends will be killed by the Chinese government. Im hoping Gnome 3.4 or 3.6 will be polished enough to make it into Wheezey when it goes stable. GNOME 3 is already in wheezhy. What still is not there is the fearsome gnome-shell }:-) Ive been trying 3.0 out on Fedora and think its great ( Gnome 3 that is not Fedora ;) A few rough edges on the new System Prefs app but nothing that wont be polished up in time. If you like GNOME 3 + gnome-shell then you're fortunate. GNOME 3 will bring us a lot of pain :(. Fortunately there are a lot of discussions about the DE that will replace GNOME for many people, as soon as GNOME 2 will be dropped. Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1317523031.2630.19.camel@debian
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 05:37:28PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Randy Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? AFAIK: If you're getting a source tarball and compiling it, the source goes in /usr/local/src and the resultant binaries go under /usr/local. If you're getting a binary tarball (which therefore doesn't come with a make uninstall script), you can unpack it into its own directory tree under /opt (e.g. /opt/EsayEclipse). You will then have /opt/EsayEclipse/bin/... Then when you want to remove this package, just delete its directory. Remember to put the /opt/... path in user's path. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
Randy Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? AFAIR locally compiled stuff should go to /usr/local/ Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Le jeudi 05 avril 2007 23:15, Randy Patterson a écrit : I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy You have the choice, but there's two principal ways : - /usr/local (default for many make install targets, I prefer that) - /opt (suse, HP-UX) pgpDSk43P3e5u.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Randy Patterson wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy /usr/local/bin/ always seems like a good place, most software done through the standard ./configure make make install , will default to /usr/local for its install. for more info on where things are and where they should go, see: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 04:15:31PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? there is not necessarily a right place. It is common however, to put things that are not handled by the apt system into /opt or perhaps into /usr/local depending on your preference or system requirements. see http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Gilles Mocellin wrote: Le jeudi 05 avril 2007 23:15, Randy Patterson a ?crit?: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy You have the choice, but there's two principal ways : - /usr/local (default for many make install targets, I prefer that) - /opt (suse, HP-UX) I would suggest looking at the 'stow' package also. It allows one to keep track of these additional programs installed manually and install or deinstall them. Depending upon how much you install in /usr/local or /opt, it can be difficult to figure out what package each file corresponds to if you ever want to get rid of it.
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Am 2006-02-25 17:16:25, schrieb Curt Howland: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been reading your notes to debian-users with interest, and I'd like to put in .02 FRNs or so. I realize that people have suggested lots of package management tools, I would like to suggest dselect. The granularity of control is greater, in my experience, and it is easier to examine individual packages. If you do, then don't select the first option Access because that's if you want to overwrite /etc/apt/sources.list . There is a ~30MB boot-CD image which is all you actually need. Your downloading all 14 CDs is remarkable to me now, but in fact I did exactly the same thing in 1995 when I made 16 3.5 floppies for my first install of Debian. 16 Floppies? Bo 1 rescue/boot 1 driver 4 base Hamm1 rescue/boot 1 driver 5 base Slink 1 rescue/boot 1 driver 7 base Potato 1 rescue/boot 1 root 2 driver16 base Woody 1 rescue/boot 1 root 4 driver20 base Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Charles wrote: I've just downloaded and installed the sarge distribution on a computer I use for a test bed. Since I'm used to hosing this box and reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows. So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router for broadband access. I have a basic load of applications installed. Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK. The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions. 1) Is there a command line or series of command lines that will update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates? I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different. What I would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date system. 2) Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages. 3) What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to integrate them into the system? The default GUI is going to be set to KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions and which also recognizes the Debian format. My eventual interest is in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and specifically modified for Debian. 4) Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other distributions? 1.) There is, yes, but you must have repositories correctly set up in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. The commands for updating your system are: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade kpackage, or synaptic (which I prefer) provides a gui to these commands. Check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html (the APT HOWTO site) for all the information you'll ever need on apt (Advanced Package Tools, Debian's equivalent to rpm) Briefly, the default for your sources.list, which will allow you to get security updates (the third listing in particular), is: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free 2.) I'm not sure about bug fixes, but a good command to know if something doesn't install correctly is: apt-get -f install Running this usually fixes things. Sometimes running it twice or more is necessary. And sometime stuff just can't be fixed. 3.) I imagine it's possible to install all 14 CDs on your hard drive, and set up a repository on your local host. I've never done it, though. It's not really necessary to do this, since you can access all of them via the internet. Often, cds are handled via apt-cdrom (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-cdrom). I prefer not messing around with CDs, and using the internet for the repositories. 4.) I have found this mailing list is a good resource. The Debian site, http://www.debian.org, and the Debian Help forum http://www.debianhelp.org, are good too. One difference I found: when installing from source (and not a package), set your prefix to /usr. I believe many rpm distros have the prefix as /usr/local, which sometimes doesn't work well on Debian. To simply install a downloaded deb package, use the command dpkg -i. kpackage may have a mean to utilize this command too, I'm not sure (I don't use kpackage). If you want stuff like realplayer, acroread, mplayer (and/or kplayer), and w32codecs, add this repository to your sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main Good luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been reading your notes to debian-users with interest, and I'd like to put in .02 FRNs or so. I realize that people have suggested lots of package management tools, I would like to suggest dselect. The granularity of control is greater, in my experience, and it is easier to examine individual packages. If you do, then don't select the first option Access because that's if you want to overwrite /etc/apt/sources.list . There is a ~30MB boot-CD image which is all you actually need. Your downloading all 14 CDs is remarkable to me now, but in fact I did exactly the same thing in 1995 when I made 16 3.5 floppies for my first install of Debian. When you talk about being surprised by seeing text rather than GUI, did you mean the installer? If so, it might be interesting to you that the same base software is used to install on everything from IBM S390 mainframes, Sun SPARC stations, to Macs and vanilla PCs. The purpose of an install is to begin the process regardless of the hardware, and everything can display text (even a serial console on a SPARC, not the most friendly of environments I can tell you). Updating: You mention in your note of 18 Feb that you have ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list That's perfect. To completely update your system to the latest and greatest (if different than on your CDs), you can run any of the apt front-ends such as aptitude, synaptic, dselect, or even apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade as root from a command prompt. You also ask about the rate of change in the packages. Don't worry! Stable is exactly that, very very stable. The only changes are bug/security fixes, and all those are available at security.debian.org. You might get one or two packages updated in a week, maybe, so while I would update before going to the package list to find something new, don't expect to need to if you stay with Stable. Also, don't run Testing or Unstable unless you want to learn more about Debian package management than you ever wanted to know before. I've been tracking Unstable for years, and every once in a while stuff just plain BREAKS when doing an upgrade. Stable will never do that, it's a point of pride with the Debian developers that Stable is rock solid. Once the next version goes stable, the upgrade path is also tested and tested and tested. When you decide to upgrade the system to the new stable, you will find tried and true instructions to do so. I disagree that the end user expects a GUI. The end user receives what the end user receives, and if it is not to their liking they can change it. By that I mean, once the system is installed, which is a very basic operation, type apt-get install kde. If your point is that without a GUI handing the user pre-selected options they first have to know to do apt-get install kde, well that is why the last thing the installer does is say, Would you like to run 'tasksel' or 'aptitude' now? both of which (neither of which I like having tried them) will install a working GUI-of-choice and load of applications with little input from the end user. Finally, if you're open to other avenues of exploration, KNOPPIX has an install script which will put a mixed-bag of stable, testing and unstable packages on the machine, with a fully functional KDE desktop along with all the KNOPPIX specific hardware detection. There have been many people saying that It's the best Debian installer since the Debian installer, but I still prefer the bare-bones ~30MB bootable businesscard myself. Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRADXPi9Y35yItIgBAQJ67Qf/WNHXN2qZ8iqiJ9dQ0TPGWPaatKX3UMVx k1l0tCV2yf1JGwUnACiCNsQHo6MW2TSsA8B0qkV3hCB77tgBeYMSO+iAKMfyF283 aICIdfPf31iW6sIXeHt9Dl4Yx1WzffdvVtT9oNKzMMFcb9olX/C+xPTnJNI8WkuM u/xKA3nD6ManrXrFA15B/xR47LLqKCqTOe9sC9wx4a93K5RHYBDJsVr18zjgGy+N 6WOQDsdoaC/pZPj99/1dLtMW1LpeZGKK6x+vhfraiSL7OC5WJ7VjdLbsPZKTuiFT HLwwdpIOSLn4ps5jd8bnPiqPYF8iqKIkvIJerza+EJzV5tntU/lKWg== =HtmJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Charles wrote: I've just downloaded and installed the sarge distribution on a computer I use for a test bed. Since I'm used to hosing this box and reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows. So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router for broadband access. I have a basic load of applications installed. Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK. The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions. 1) Is there a command line or series of command lines that will update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates? I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different. What I would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date system. 2) Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages. 3) What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to integrate them into the system? The default GUI is going to be set to KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions and which also recognizes the Debian format. My eventual interest is in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and specifically modified for Debian. 4) Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other distributions? You may find http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Articles useful when you are starting out. Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are other tools for managing software that are front ends to apt. I primarily use aptitude. It is powerful interactive, and available from the command line. It will take some learning though so you will need to read a significant part of the manual to use it effectively. synaptic is probably the best choice for graphically working with apt. It is easy to use, and fairly powerful too.
Re: New install and newbie questions
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 07:46:36PM -0700, Charles wrote: I've just downloaded and installed the sarge distribution on a computer I use for a test bed. Since I'm used to hosing this box and reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows. So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router for broadband access. I have a basic load of applications installed. Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK. The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions. 1) Is there a command line or series of command lines that will update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates? I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different. What I would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date system. Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and then issue apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade Others have possibly given you the appropriate lines. 2) Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages. See above. 3) What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to integrate them into the system? The default GUI is going to be set to KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions and which also recognizes the Debian format. My eventual interest is in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and specifically modified for Debian. apt-cdrom add and feed the CD's in. That will put them at the top of your /etc/apt/sources.list - which means that they will be the first source searched and apt will prompt you to insert e.g. CD 1 Very useful if you have no net connectivity or are doing an initial install far from the 'Net. If you have broadband, you may just want to update straight from the 'Net :) apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm for example will install all of X windows, a KDE metapackage which subsumes most of KDE and kdm to replace xdm or gdm. 4) Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other distributions? Two main differences :) Zealot Debian does dependencies right: apt-get and others download the right packages in the right order. No more .rpm hell /Zealot That, and, of course the commitment to Free/Libre software (and the consequent flame wars :) ) Have fun, Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Andrew M.A. Cater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:54 AM Subject: Re: New install and newbie questions On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 07:46:36PM -0700, Charles wrote: I've just downloaded and installed the sarge distribution on a computer I use for a test bed. Since I'm used to hosing this box and reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows. So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router for broadband access. I have a basic load of applications installed. Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK. The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions. 1) Is there a command line or series of command lines that will update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates? I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different. What I would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date system. Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and then issue apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade Others have possibly given you the appropriate lines. 2) Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages. See above. 3) What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to integrate them into the system? The default GUI is going to be set to KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions and which also recognizes the Debian format. My eventual interest is in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and specifically modified for Debian. apt-cdrom add and feed the CD's in. That will put them at the top of your /etc/apt/sources.list - which means that they will be the first source searched and apt will prompt you to insert e.g. CD 1 Very useful if you have no net connectivity or are doing an initial install far from the 'Net. If you have broadband, you may just want to update straight from the 'Net :) apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm for example will install all of X windows, a KDE metapackage which subsumes most of KDE and kdm to replace xdm or gdm. So I should 1) Add the 14 CD's and the two update CD's via apt-cdrom add, 2) activate all sources in Synaptic, 3) run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I'll have an up-to-date system. Should this update very few packages if the download is one week old? 4) Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other distributions? Two main differences :) Zealot Debian does dependencies right: apt-get and others download the right packages in the right order. No more .rpm hell /Zealot That, and, of course the commitment to Free/Libre software (and the consequent flame wars :) ) I'm also assuming the separation between end user and administrator is enforced by the separation between GUI and CLI. This will be fun. If I can reproduce/document a successful installation, a fair number of GUI's for the end user are available, the installation and desktop is stable, and I have direct access to a broad library of software that can be installed on the fly, then I have a distribution of Linux I can work with. Mandrake has been averaging about one stable install each three major versions, and that's the closest I come to a desktop with lots of different GUI's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:00:32 -0700 Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I should 1) Add the 14 CD's and the two update CD's via apt-cdrom add, 2) activate all sources in Synaptic, 3) run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I'll have an up-to-date system. You need at least: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main and something like this (should have been added during the base-config) deb ftp://ftp.your-mirror.org/debian stable main With this you can keep your system up to date if you regularly do 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' Should this update very few packages if the download is one week old? What download? The CD's? Do you have r0 or r1 CD's? If you have r1 than the update should be minimal. [snip] I'm also assuming the separation between end user and administrator is enforced by the separation between GUI and CLI. No. Any user (in the default install) can press Ctrl-Alt-F1(-F6) to login at the console. Or open an xterm, which is almost the same. Root can run X as well. And there are many GUI tools to configure your system, that can be started/used by any user who has the root password. This is true for most if not all distros. This will be fun. If I can reproduce/document a successful installation, a fair number of GUI's for the end user are available, the installation and desktop is stable, and I have direct access to a broad library of software that can be installed on the fly, then I have a distribution of Linux I can work with. Mandrake has been averaging about one stable install each three major versions, and that's the closest I come to a desktop with lots of different GUI's. The 'stable' release is rock solid. It's the recommended release for production systems. After you gain more experience you might want to try 'testing' or even 'unstable'. Though some say they are more stable than other distros, be prepared for problems. The good side is you get to run the latest software and get to learn how to repair your system ;) Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: New install and newbie questions On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:00:32 -0700 Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I should 1) Add the 14 CD's and the two update CD's via apt-cdrom add, 2) activate all sources in Synaptic, 3) run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I'll have an up-to-date system. You need at least: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main and something like this (should have been added during the base-config) deb ftp://ftp.your-mirror.org/debian stable main These are present. With this you can keep your system up to date if you regularly do 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' Should this update very few packages if the download is one week old? What download? The CD's? Do you have r0 or r1 CD's? If you have r1 than the update should be minimal. Answers the question. Sarge r1 is identified as the most recent stable release, and that's what took all weekend to download. I also did my first reinstall and watchd it closely. The install process slipstreamed the updates through what was at that point a live DSL network connection. [snip] I'm also assuming the separation between end user and administrator is enforced by the separation between GUI and CLI. No. Any user (in the default install) can press Ctrl-Alt-F1(-F6) to login at the console. Or open an xterm, which is almost the same. Root can run X as well. And there are many GUI tools to configure your system, that can be started/used by any user who has the root password. This is true for most if not all distros. But the EU is accustomed and expecting a GUI. Without it, s/he needs further education or training after getting under the hood. This will be fun. If I can reproduce/document a successful installation, a fair number of GUI's for the end user are available, the installation and desktop is stable, and I have direct access to a broad library of software that can be installed on the fly, then I have a distribution of Linux I can work with. Mandrake has been averaging about one stable install each three major versions, and that's the closest I come to a desktop with lots of different GUI's. The 'stable' release is rock solid. It's the recommended release for production systems Which is what I need at this point - stability. . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:12:12 -0700 Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also did my first reinstall and watchd it closely. It is said there are Debian users than didn't reinstall in 10 (ten) years. Debian supports direct upgrading from one release to another (stable or not). I remember from reading the upgrade instructions from woody (the previous stable) to sarge (the current stable) that it required just one reboot, but it was recommended to upgrade the kernel separately, so this would require a second reboot ;) But the EU is accustomed and expecting a GUI. Without it, s/he needs further education or training after getting under the hood. I grew up with DOS (no not Denial Of Service, though it did deny you the service sometimes :) ) so I don't consider a GUI so essential. Even though I run Debian in X (most of the time), I (almost) always have an xterm open. And not only for administrative tasks... Imagine that most of the GUI tools in Linux are merely frontends to CLI programs. While it might be more comfortable to click/drag-and-drop to burn a CD, one can do the same (and faster) with one line at the CLI. And this is just one example. Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install and newbie questions
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:12:12PM -0700, Charles wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: New install and newbie questions On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:00:32 -0700 Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are present. With this you can keep your system up to date if you regularly do 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' Should this update very few packages if the download is one week old? What download? The CD's? Do you have r0 or r1 CD's? If you have r1 than the update should be minimal. Answers the question. Sarge r1 is identified as the most recent stable release, and that's what took all weekend to download. I also did my first reinstall and watchd it closely. The install process slipstreamed the updates through what was at that point a live DSL network connection. There should be very few updates to download. For the future: you can (often) just use the netinstall CD (about 100M download) and update from the net thereafter. Stable gets regular-ish updates: each of a few 10's of megabytes. [snip] I'm also assuming the separation between end user and administrator is enforced by the separation between GUI and CLI. No. Any user (in the default install) can press Ctrl-Alt-F1(-F6) to login at the console. Or open an xterm, which is almost the same. Root can run X as well. And there are many GUI tools to configure your system, that can be started/used by any user who has the root password. This is true for most if not all distros. I think the point is that you can have a GUI - usually KDE for me - _AND_ have five or six virtual terminals/consoles on VT1 -6 _AND_ have multiple users logged in at the same time via SSH ... it's a true multi-user operating system if you want it to be. But the EU is accustomed and expecting a GUI. Without it, s/he needs further education or training after getting under the hood. apt-get install x-window-system [kde kdm OR gnome gdm] and you're done. This will be fun. If I can reproduce/document a successful installation, a fair number of GUI's for the end user are available, the installation and desktop is stable, and I have direct access to a broad library of software that can be installed on the fly, then I have a distribution of Linux I can work with. Mandrake has been averaging about one stable install each three major versions, and that's the closest I come to a desktop with lots of different GUI's. The 'stable' release is rock solid. It's the recommended release for production systems Which is what I need at this point - stability. Debian Stable is deliberately kept _very_ stable and very few changes are countenanced. For some people, this pace of change is too slow - at your option, you can run testing (current code name Etch) or unstable (Sid). Sid is potentially no less stable than a released Stable - but is subject to significant change and churn so is unstable in terms of change. Testing is the release candidate for the next release: change is slightly slower. Both are equally usable - although your mileage may vary :) Andy . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New install and newbie questions
I've just downloaded and installed the "sarge" distribution on a computer I use for a test bed. Since I'm used to hosing this box and reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows. So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router for broadband access. I have a basic load of applications installed. Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK. The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions. 1) Is there a command line or series of command lines that will update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates? I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different. What I would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date system. 2) Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages. 3) What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to integrate them into the system? The default GUI is going to be set to KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions and which also recognizes the Debian format. My eventual interest is in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and specifically modified for Debian. 4) Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other distributions?
Re: New install and newbie questions
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 07:46:36PM -0700, Charles wrote: I've just downloaded and installed the sarge distribution on a computer I use for a test bed. Since I'm used to hosing this box and reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows. Hi Charles, welcome to the last distro you'll ever use: Debian! So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router for broadband access. I have a basic load of applications installed. Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK. you seem to have gotten every thing going, so far so good! The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions. This is because we support 11 archs. so that is the only way (so far) to support a wide variety of hardware! (there is a graphical version in the works which will allow eastern and indic scripts as well) 1) Is there a command line or series of command lines that will update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates? I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different. What I would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date system. Yes. that is the beauty of apt-get. If you run Sarge (or stable), you should add the 'security' and 'volitile' lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list to get these updates. 'security' is for security updates which means it only fixes bugs that are security related. And with this stable release we added 'volitile' which is for updates for a new category of software: mozilla, clamav virus updates, whois which as software that need updates to be useful for a stable system. the basics: apt-get update this updates your list of software available. this is ususaly done before either of the next 2 commands. and ONE of the next 2 commands: apt-get upgrade this gets updated versions of software but will not remove or add any software from your system even if an update is avalable ap-get dist-upgrade this will update versions of software but will allow removal and addition of software for adding new versions the difference between the last two takes a bit of explaining 2) Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages. see above 3) What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to integrate them into the system? The default GUI is going to be set to KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions and which also recognizes the Debian format. My eventual interest is in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and specifically modified for Debian. if you do not have net access, then you would use the 14 cd's for all your software need. but if you do, then they are only good for the basic install. you can add them to /etc/apt/sources.list with the apt-cd tool. The cd's are created by order of use which means that cd#1 is used by everyone and cd#14 is contains the least used software. You can use many frontends for dpkg (the basic tool which is similar to rpm): kpackage, synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, wajig,feta. The most commonly used is aptitude and apt-get. But try them all. 4) Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other distributions? There is the debian refernce and the apt refernce. apt-get install debian-reference apt-get install apt-howto and if you really want detailed stuff: get martin's book: at http://debiansystem.info the last thing: to find stuff: apt-cache search keyword cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New install and newbie questions
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Newbie questions: kernel upgrade sound
I recently aquired a new motherboard (Jetway ATi Radeon Xpress 200) with onboard sound), new CPU (AMD64) and new graphics card (nVidia geForce). I previously preferred Knoppix because of its good hardware detection, but this time it let me down and I was without sound. Enter Debian... I installed from the network installation ISO Debian stable and everything works fine except for the sound. PROBLEM STATEMENT: On Windows I installed the ALC880 driver that came with the motherboard and it works. Googled, found a linux driver at www.opendrivers.com. Tried to install it: It seems it is alsa-driver-1.0.4 . It won't compile... make[3]: *** [/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild/../pci/via82xx.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild/../pci] Error 2 make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386' make: *** [compile] Error 2 Googled: apparently some ALC880 problems in alsa-driver-1.0.9 were only fixed in alsa-driver-1.0.10 (http://www.alsa-project.org/changes/v1-0-9--v1-0-10.txt). Moreover, there seems to be problems with the alsa-driver and kernels older than 2.6.15. But apt (Synaptic) can't find a kernel 2.6.15! I would like not to break the current system, as I already installed most of the programs I want (games excluded because of the lack of sound). And the current kernel 2.6.8-2 is working just fine for everything else. I would like to stay with sarge, because of the stability. I added testing (and unstable) to sources.list and created /etc/apt/preferences with: Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 50 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 1 nobix:/etc/apt# Running the aadebug script, I get: ALSA Audio Debug v0.1.0 - Sat Jan 21 17:10:11 SAST 2006 http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=aadebug http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt Kernel Linux nobix 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux Loaded Modules snd_pcm_oss48168 0 snd_mixer_oss 16640 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm85384 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 11144 1 snd_pcm snd_timer 23300 1 snd_pcm snd50660 4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer Modprobe Conf - # snd module options options snd device_mode=0660 alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 alias sound-slot-2 snd-card-2 alias sound-slot-3 snd-card-3 alias sound-slot-4 snd-card-4 alias sound-slot-5 snd-card-5 alias sound-slot-6 snd-card-6 alias sound-slot-7 snd-card-7 above sound-slot-0 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-1 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-2 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-3 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-4 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-5 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-6 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-7 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss above snd-mixer snd-mixer-oss above snd-seq snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi # Cause a script to be run after snd-emu8000-synth module initialization post-install snd-emu8000-synth /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-emu8000-synth post-install snd-ad1816a /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ad1816a post-install snd-ad1848 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ad1848 post-install snd-ali5451 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ali5451 post-install snd-als100 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-als100 post-install snd-als4000 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-als4000 post-install snd-asihpi /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-asihpi post-install snd-atiixp /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-atiixp post-install snd-au8810 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au8810 post-install snd-au8820 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au8820 post-install snd-au8830 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au8830 post-install snd-azt2320 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-azt2320 post-install snd-azt3328 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-azt3328 post-install snd-azx /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-azx post-install snd-ca0106 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ca0106 post-install snd-cmi8330 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cmi8330 post-install snd-cmipci /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cmipci post-install snd-cs4231 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4231 post-install snd-cs4232 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4232 post-install snd-cs4236 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4236 post-install snd-cs4281 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4281
Re: Newbie questions: kernel upgrade sound
On (21/01/06 17:22), Koos van der Merwe wrote: I recently aquired a new motherboard (Jetway ATi Radeon Xpress 200) with onboard sound), new CPU (AMD64) and new graphics card (nVidia geForce). I previously preferred Knoppix because of its good hardware detection, but this time it let me down and I was without sound. Enter Debian... I installed from the network installation ISO Debian stable and everything works fine except for the sound. PROBLEM STATEMENT: On Windows I installed the ALC880 driver that came with the motherboard and it works. Googled, found a linux driver at www.opendrivers.com. Tried to install it: It seems it is alsa-driver-1.0.4 . It won't compile... make[3]: *** [/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild/../pci/via82xx.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild/../pci] Error 2 make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386' make: *** [compile] Error 2 Googled: apparently some ALC880 problems in alsa-driver-1.0.9 were only fixed in alsa-driver-1.0.10 (http://www.alsa-project.org/changes/v1-0-9--v1-0-10.txt). Moreover, there seems to be problems with the alsa-driver and kernels older than 2.6.15. But apt (Synaptic) can't find a kernel 2.6.15! I would like not to break the current system, as I already installed most of the programs I want (games excluded because of the lack of sound). And the current kernel 2.6.8-2 is working just fine for everything else. I would like to stay with sarge, because of the stability. I added testing (and unstable) to sources.list and created QUESTIONS: 1. Is there any problems with the stability of the newer kernels? Why is it not included in sarge? New kernels aren't added to the stable release; recent kernels have to be recompiled for sarge 2. Do I need to compile a new kernel or is it possible to just apt-get install a new kernel version? Will doing this have any effect on the rest of the system? (I.e. will I still have a Debian stable version at the end of the day?) It may be daunting but compiling your own kernel is not that difficult, check out: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html 3. I it possible to just add the new kernel and still keep the official current kernel as an option in GRUB? How? (Links to how-to's?) You may break your system; the latest kernel, I could get to work on sarge is 2.6.12 (from etch) 4. Isn't there some kind of wrapper module that one can use to just wrap around the Windows drivers provided by the hardware manufacturers? Beyond my level of knowledge, I'm afraid but I guess it's doable Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie Questions de debutant...
Bonjour a tous, Je suis super content d'avoir installe Sarge sur mon portable Asus M5N. J'ai installer des softs comme gkrellm,Beep Media Player,Mozilla-firefox, tout marche correctement, c'est juste que je me pose des p'tites questions Alors en premier, je ne sais pas ou ajouter la ligne de commade pour lancer gkrellm automatiquement au demarrage du server X aussi, je ne trouve pas evidant du tout de trouver les dossiers...par exemple je cherchais et cherche encore ou est le dossier Skins de Beep Media Player pour pouvoir y transferer mes ex-skin de WinAmp, j'ai essaye de faire Find skin a partir d'un Xterm...enfin je sais pas faire. J'ai aussi regarder dans /etc/ mais pas trouver de dossier concernant Beep Media Player...je sais pas ou il est !!! Voila, sinon je suis super mega content que Sarge marche de feu sur mon laptop...je suis en train d'apprendre et de me raflechir les commandes de bases J'image que vous avez tous des recommendations et conseils a me donner pour entretien et ameliorer ma distrib prefere ;) a oui, un dernier p'tit truc, dans le fichier ./bachrc on y met que des alais ou on peux y mettre des raccourci aussi ? Merci de votre precieuse aide, et bon Weekend, John -- Kristell John CoutelApt 319, North Gate House, Bachelor's Quay, Cork, Irelandhttp://j.coutel.free.frJohn : +353 8 57 08 93 49Kristell : +353 8 51 22 10 26
Re: Newbie Questions de debutant...
yoda ecrit: bonsoir, moi-meme débutant je peux repondre un petit peu... John Kristell Coutel a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Je suis super content d'avoir installe Sarge sur mon portable Asus M5N. J'ai installer des softs comme gkrellm,Beep Media Player,Mozilla-firefox, tout marche correctement, c'est juste que je me pose des p'tites questions Alors en premier, je ne sais pas ou ajouter la ligne de commade pour lancer gkrellm automatiquement au demarrage du server X si tu es sous KDE gkrellm peut rester ouvert il sera repris au redémarrage de KDE du moins chez moi c'est comme cela. aussi, je ne trouve pas evidant du tout de trouver les dossiers...par exemple je cherchais et cherche encore ou est le dossier Skins de Beep Media Player pour pouvoir y transferer mes ex-skin de WinAmp, j'ai essaye de faire Find skin a partir d'un Xterm...enfin je sais pas faire. J'ai aussi regarder dans /etc/ mais pas trouver de dossier concernant Beep Media Player...je sais pas ou il est !!! /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/ ou /usr/share/ les autres programmes perso je mets les skins de chaque programme dans /home/monuser/.xmms/Skins par exemple il y a des fichiers et repertoires cachés dans ton user (.repertoire du programme) ces repertoires contiennet tes parametres perso etc. Beep Media Player je connaissas pas je vais voir le truc Voila, sinon je suis super mega content que Sarge marche de feu sur mon laptop...je suis en train d'apprendre et de me raflechir les commandes de bases J'image que vous avez tous des recommendations et conseils a me donner pour entretien et ameliorer ma distrib prefere ;) perso je lis beaucoup a oui, un dernier p'tit truc, dans le fichier ./bachrc on y met que des alais ou on peux y mettre des raccourci aussi ? Merci de votre precieuse aide, et bon Weekend, bienvenu dans le monde libre :) a+ yoda -- Membre du Club des Utilisateurs de Libre de Toulouse et des environs. Debian Sarge Stable user 2.6.8.2-i386 KDE 3.4.1 Testing 2.6.11-1-k7 xfce 4.2.2 http://www.culte.org # http://www.odebi.org/new/theme/ http://gnutux.free.fr # http://www.mozilla-europe.org/fr/ --- -- Pensez à lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez à rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions de debutant...
Je complète la réponse de yoda. Le samedi 20 août 2005 à 17:36 +0100, John Kristell Coutel a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Je suis super content d'avoir installe Sarge sur mon portable Asus M5N. J'ai installer des softs comme gkrellm,Beep Media Player,Mozilla-firefox, tout marche correctement, c'est juste que je me pose des p'tites questions Alors en premier, je ne sais pas ou ajouter la ligne de commade pour lancer gkrellm automatiquement au demarrage du server X aussi, Si tu es sous GNOME il faut configurer ça avec l'outil de gestion de sessions. Tu peux le lancer depuis un terminal gnome-session-properties ou dans le menu des préférences avancées de préférences du bureaux (bizarre d'ailleurs je ne le vois pas sur ma testing). Tu va sur l'onglet programmes au démarrage et tu peux l'ajouter. Si tu n'es ni sous GNOME ou KDE tu peux probablement regarder du côté de ton $HOME/.xsession je ne trouve pas evidant du tout de trouver les dossiers...par exemple je cherchais et cherche encore ou est le dossier Skins de Beep Media Player pour pouvoir y transferer mes ex-skin de WinAmp, j'ai essaye de faire Find skin a partir d'un Xterm...enfin je sais pas faire. J'ai aussi regarder dans /etc/ mais pas trouver de dossier concernant Beep Media Player...je sais pas ou il est !!! find est une commande puissante mais pas vraiment intuitive. Une commande plus simple est la commande locate. Tu fait locate machin et il te sortira la liste des fichiers qui contiennent machin dans leur nom. Juste il faut faire un updatedb en root de temps en temps pour que l'index du disque soit à jour. Pour répondre à ta question google est ton ami : http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/User%27s_guide#Skin_Installation Il semble que les skin soient dans /usr/share/bmp ou $HOME/.bmp , ce qui est logique. etc est plutot pour des fichier de configuration. Voila, sinon je suis super mega content que Sarge marche de feu sur mon laptop...je suis en train d'apprendre et de me raflechir les commandes de bases Bon raflechissement (pas sur de bien comprendre ce que c'est) :) a oui, un dernier p'tit truc, dans le fichier ./bachrc on y met que des alais ou on peux y mettre des raccourci aussi ? Des raccourcis ? Qu'est ce que tu appelle des raccourcis ? Tu peux y mettre tout ce que tu peut taper dans un shell. Merci de votre precieuse aide, et bon Weekend, Bonne chance et bon WE. Thomas signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
how to... (newbie questions)
I've a HP B132L which someone else put woody on for me, but I'm nearly totally ignorant of how things work in linux. Can anyone tell me how to: a) find out precisely which version of woody it is (if there are different versions or patch levels or whatever)? I don't know how to relate woody to posts I see naming particular kernel levels etc. b) when it boots it automatically starts X and then KDM; I think I'd like none of the GUI stuff to start automatically but instead to start them by command if/when I want to. How do I do that? c) If I manage to have KDM not start, will the command: gdm start GDM up instead, assuming it is installed? d) how do I find out what software is installed? Eg *is* GDM/Gnome in my system, and if so, where are its libraries, if I want to explore its parameter files etc? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to... (newbie questions)
Hello Jeremy C B Nicoll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've a HP B132L which someone else put woody on for me, but I'm nearly totally ignorant of how things work in linux. Can anyone tell me how to: a) find out precisely which version of woody it is (if there are different versions or patch levels or whatever)? I don't know how to relate woody to posts I see naming particular kernel levels etc. Check your package versions: http://auric.debian.org/~joey/3.0r2/ To make sure you use the latest version, add the security server and an Debian mirror to your sources.list and run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. b) when it boots it automatically starts X and then KDM; I think I'd like none of the GUI stuff to start automatically but instead to start them by command if/when I want to. How do I do that? Remove the symlinks for kdm in your default runlevel: rm /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm Or install rcconf (rcconfig?) and deselect kdm. Next time kdm won't start. You can start X using startx or /etc/init.d/kdm start c) If I manage to have KDM not start, will the command: gdm start GDM up instead, assuming it is installed? Not unless you tell it to. d) how do I find out what software is installed? Eg *is* GDM/Gnome in my system, and if so, where are its libraries, if I want to explore its parameter files etc? Try aptitude or synaptic. Or dselect. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to... (newbie questions)
Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: I've a HP B132L which someone else put woody on for me, but I'm nearly totally ignorant of how things work in linux. Can anyone tell me how to: a) find out precisely which version of woody it is (if there are different versions or patch levels or whatever)? I don't know how to relate woody to posts I see naming particular kernel levels etc. To see your kernel version type uname -r. Each of the three Debian distributions may use one of several kernel versions. b) when it boots it automatically starts X and then KDM; I think I'd like none of the GUI stuff to start automatically but instead to start them by command if/when I want to. How do I do that? You need the update-rc.d program, which handles addition and removal of the relevant symlinks. man update-rc.d. c) If I manage to have KDM not start, will the command: gdm start GDM up instead, assuming it is installed? See above. d) how do I find out what software is installed? Eg *is* GDM/Gnome in my system, and if so, where are its libraries, if I want to explore its parameter files etc? dpkg -l will show a list of installed packages. Configuration files live in /etc. I think you should read the documentation on www.debian.org - as a newbie a lot of your questions will be answered there. And a good book on Linux - I used to recommend Running Linux but it has a bit of a RedHat bias. A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 02:54:24PM +0100, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: I've a HP B132L which someone else put woody on for me, but I'm nearly totally ignorant of how things work in linux. Can anyone tell me how to: a) find out precisely which version of woody it is (if there are different versions or patch levels or whatever)? I don't know how to relate woody to posts I see naming particular kernel levels etc. I don't actually know how one finds out whether one has woody release 0, 1 or 2, but there's very little difference. As regards the kernel version, see the 'uname' command. b) when it boots it automatically starts X and then KDM; I think I'd like none of the GUI stuff to start automatically but instead to start them by command if/when I want to. How do I do that? # rm /etc/rc?.d/S??kdm c) If I manage to have KDM not start, will the command: gdm start GDM up instead, assuming it is installed? AFAIK. d) how do I find out what software is installed? Eg *is* GDM/Gnome in my system, dpkg -l and if so, where are its libraries, if I want to explore its parameter files etc? Parameter files and the like are generally detailed in the relevant man page. Libraries are generally in /usr/lib. If I want more detailed information as to where the files are I generally pull the deb apart in /tmp and see what I get (ar -x foo.deb; tar xzf data.tar.gz). -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
how to... (newbie questions)
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Re: Some newbie questions
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:49, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:49:48AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Alexey Buistov wrote: Hello Debian fans! The sixth iso image of binary woody is being downloaded to my machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some doco or answer directly in mailing list: First, you probably only need the first CD. I have only rearely heard of situations where anyone *requires* any of the other CDs. That is usually because they have special or strange hardware that will not boot the regular kernel on the first CD. People with dial-up may appreciate the other CDs. I currently don't have an internet connection at home, so I especially need them. Bijan I'm on dial-up, and I have just the first two (Woody) CD's, and I've only ever found *one* app I wanted that wasn't on one of those two - Kppp. (I downloaded that separately). In other words, CD's 1 and 2 probably contain almost everything an average user (certainly a newbie user) is likely to want. cr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some newbie questions
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 10:31:05PM +1300, cr wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:49, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:49:48AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Alexey Buistov wrote: Hello Debian fans! The sixth iso image of binary woody is being downloaded to my machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some doco or answer directly in mailing list: First, you probably only need the first CD. I have only rearely heard of situations where anyone *requires* any of the other CDs. That is usually because they have special or strange hardware that will not boot the regular kernel on the first CD. People with dial-up may appreciate the other CDs. I currently don't have an internet connection at home, so I especially need them. Bijan I'm on dial-up, and I have just the first two (Woody) CD's, and I've only ever found *one* app I wanted that wasn't on one of those two - Kppp. (I downloaded that separately). In other words, CD's 1 and 2 probably contain almost everything an average user (certainly a newbie user) is likely to want. I install a lot of software :) When installing a system I always use all 7 cds. It's not that I install insane amount of software as much as the fact that I install many different kinds of software. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Some newbie questions
Hello Debian fans! The sixth iso image of binary woody is being downloaded to my machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some doco or answer directly in mailing list: 1) Is it true that Debian has limitation on partition size - 6 gigs? Or any other size limit? 2) Can I do all partitioning stuff from M$ Window$ (using Partition Magick) before installation? 3) Where can I ask some other newbie questions? Is this list the right place? Thanks Alexey Buistov, Software Engineer, Miratech Ltd. 41 Nauki Ave, 03028 Kiev, Ukraine, tel: +38 044 206 4090 ext number +38 044 206 4099 fax: +38 044 206 4091 ICQ: 83154650 http://www.miratech.ua mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some newbie questions
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:18:53 +0200 Alexey Buistov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Debian fans! The sixth iso image of binary woody is being downloaded to my machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some doco or answer directly in mailing list: 1) Is it true that Debian has limitation on partition size - 6 gigs? Or any other size limit? 2) Can I do all partitioning stuff from M$ Window$ (using Partition Magick) before installation? 3) Where can I ask some other newbie questions? Is this list the right place? Thanks Hello Alexey, The Debian.org site is probably the best place to start looking for information, also here:- http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/categories.html There is so much information on the net concerning Debian that you should be able to find whatever you need on any subject. Just do a search through the Google search engine. Partition Magick is a piece of junk. It works, but you will have trouble later if you want to do things like resize partitions. Partitioning is a subject that is adequately catered for in the references I have already given you. This list is the right place, but before you ask a question here I would respectfully suggest that you search the associated list archives, where you will in all probability find answers to most questions. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some newbie questions
Alexey Buistov wrote: Hello Debian fans! The sixth iso image of binary woody is being downloaded to my machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some doco or answer directly in mailing list: First, you probably only need the first CD. I have only rearely heard of situations where anyone *requires* any of the other CDs. That is usually because they have special or strange hardware that will not boot the regular kernel on the first CD. 1) Is it true that Debian has limitation on partition size - 6 gigs? Or any other size limit? Never heard of this. I believe that EXT3 and most filesystems nowadays have a limit of 2 terabytes, but there are workarounds for that. 2) Can I do all partitioning stuff from M$ Window$ (using Partition Magick) before installation? Why. Just let the install program do it or use a good partitioning program like parted. (Unless you need to resize or move an NTFS partition). 3) Where can I ask some other newbie questions? Is this list the right place? Yup. http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ is also an excellent source of information about Linux in genereal. Also check out Debian's documentation page: http://www.debian.org/doc/ HTH, -Roberto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Some newbie questions
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:49:48AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Alexey Buistov wrote: Hello Debian fans! The sixth iso image of binary woody is being downloaded to my machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some doco or answer directly in mailing list: First, you probably only need the first CD. I have only rearely heard of situations where anyone *requires* any of the other CDs. That is usually because they have special or strange hardware that will not boot the regular kernel on the first CD. People with dial-up may appreciate the other CDs. I currently don't have an internet connection at home, so I especially need them. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Some newbie questions
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:18:53PM +0200, Alexey Buistov wrote: 1) Is it true that Debian has limitation on partition size - 6 gigs? Or any other size limit? No. Maybe terabytes or something :) 2) Can I do all partitioning stuff from M$ Window$ (using Partition Magick) before installation? Yes. 3) Where can I ask some other newbie questions? Is this list the right place? Yes. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Some newbie questions
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 11:15 GMT, David Palmer. penned: Partition Magick is a piece of junk. It works, but you will have trouble later if you want to do things like resize partitions. Partitioning is a subject that is adequately catered for in the references I have already given you. Partition Magic is great except when it sucks. I've had it eat partitions before. Not fun. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie questions rsh and open sockets
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:58:39AM +0530, Anand Raman wrote: | Shouldnt the socket connections be closed the moment rsh completes | the command execution No. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# netstat | Active Internet connections (w/o servers) | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State | tcp0 0 10.210.5.45:shell 10.210.5.71:1017 TIME_WAIT | tcp0 0 10.210.5.45:102310.210.5.71:1016 TIME_WAIT ^ TIME_WAIT is one of the states defined for a TCP socket in RFC 793 (the specification for TCP). Read section 3.5 to understand what happens when a connection is closed. Basically the system must still accept (and ACK) packets for a short while for clean up. It is possible for some packets to take a longer route than others and thus (legitimately) arrive after the connection is closed. -D -- There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
newbie questions rsh and open sockets
Hi guys I am using rsh to execute a command on a remote machine. The command execution happens fine and the method returns perfectly. However when I use netstat to view the socket connections on the remote machine I see multiple connections opened from the source machine. Why does this happen. Shouldnt the socket connections be closed the moment rsh completes the command execution [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# netstat Active Internet connections (w/o servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp0 0 10.210.5.45:shell 10.210.5.71:1017TIME_WAIT tcp0 0 10.210.5.45:102310.210.5.71:1016TIME_WAIT Thanks for your time. anand -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
* Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Mar 10. 2003 00:44]: Amen! most is more than less! Cool. It's more or less the most you can get out of a pager. -- Brian Clark | Debian GNU/Linux: 3950 packages to keep you busy. Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 If lollipops were outlawed, only criminals would suck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: I'm nominating Kevin and Brian jointly to share an award for Debian's hot tip of the month. I unstalled most, then used update-alternatives to config my pager, and my man pages now look spectacular. Now if only Debian had a tool to make me look this good. Ditto, Anyone tell me how to make the default editor of most to nano? Most is using vi at the moment. I'm not sure where to change it. my default editor is: zork:/usr/share/doc/most# update-alternatives --display editor editor - status is manual. link currently points to /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/nvi - priority 19 slave editor.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/nvi.1.gz /bin/ed - priority -100 /usr/bin/nano - priority 40 slave editor.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/nano.1.gz Current `best' version is /usr/bin/nano. I also tried: # MOST_EDITOR='nano %s' and # SLANG_EDITOR=nano %s #not sure re: quotes vs tick marks I tried both ways. Thanks for any input. John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 03:04:33PM -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: I personally use the arrow-up key. Not entirely sure what that maps out as, but it works for me... More only understands going down. 8:o) -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie questions
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:33:15 -0500 Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! most is more than less! Cool. It's more or less the most you can get out of a pager. At least until somebody unleashes least on an unsuspecting world. You know this is coming :) Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 05:02:24PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin an excellent tip. mind if i append this to my collection? (see below...) -- I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0; Linux server 2.4.20-k6 #1 Mon Jan 13 23:49:14 EST 2003 i586 unknown DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #134 from Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Looking for a BETTER PAGER? Try most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until I read a few man pages. apt-get install most update-alternatives --config pager export PAGER=most Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:17:01 -0600 Will Trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an excellent tip. mind if i append this to my collection? (see below...) Umm, thanks. Go right ahead! Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie questions
Hi all! I'm a newcomer to Debian from FreeBSD, and have a couple of questions some of you guys may know the answer to: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... I am running Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 with linux kernel 2.4.20 (latest stable). The NIC is a AMD PCnet32, and gets it's IP from an ADSL router by DHCP. Here's some dmesg ouput: pcnet32.c:v1.27b 01.10.2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] pcnet32: PCnet/FAST 79C971 at 0x7800, 00 60 b0 f7 7a 20 pcnet32: 1 cards_found. eth0: registered as PCnet/FAST 79C971 Grateful for any help! yours, Inge Thorin Eidsaether webdude at phreaker dot net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? You probably need to run '/etc/cron.daily/man-db' as root. If your system is on full-time then cron should do this for you; otherwise, install anacron. (There was a bug in the version of man-db in woody that meant the installation process didn't do this automatically. Sorry.) 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... 'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Mar 09. 2003 15:40]: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... 'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Now would be a great to mention update-alternatives too. :-) update-alternatives(8) (when you get man working) (~)% update-alternatives --config pager There are 3 programs which provide `pager'. SelectionCommand --- 1/bin/more *+2/usr/bin/less 3/usr/bin/w3m Enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: -- Brian Clark | Debian GNU/Linux: 3950 packages to keep you busy. Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? are you sure this isn't a problem with your connection? do you get similar messages on your freebsd box? i think the easiest way to keep those messages off your console is to redirect them in /etc/syslog.conf(5) 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? man -k searches for keywords, not commands... or do you mean that it just doesn't work at all? i know that man -k was segfaulting on my unstable box for a while, but it's since been fixed and you said you're running stable. if it doesn't work at all, what version of man-db do you have installed? (you can find this out with dpkg --status man-db) 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... it might be that you only have more installed. try apt-get install less and see if that fixes your problem. hth sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie questions
'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:43:24 +0100 Inge Thorin Eidsaether [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I'm a newcomer to Debian from FreeBSD, and have a couple of questions some of you guys may know the answer to: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? I get that result when trying to use a 10/100 NIC with a 10/100 hub or router. Both the NIC and the hub/router are trying to auto-negotiate the speed and mode, and they just pointed fingers at each other without agreeing to anything. I found I needed to force my NIC to 10Mbps and half-duplex to make things work. In order to force the NIC to use a particular mode, you need to pass an option to the pcnet32 module when it loads. I looked a while for the syntax but didn't find it. Perhaps someone else here knows. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? Keep your network cord plugged in? 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? man -k keyword is what you're looking for... 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... Use some other pager (heck, when you're using more, *any* other pager) instead. You'll be able to scroll up then. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:02:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:45:02 -0500 Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now would be a great to mention update-alternatives too. :-) update-alternatives(8) (when you get man working) (~)% update-alternatives --config pager I'm nominating Kevin and Brian jointly to share an award for Debian's hot tip of the month. I unstalled most, then used update-alternatives to config my pager, and my man pages now look spectacular. Now if only Debian had a tool to make me look this good. - Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
Robert Storey wrote: On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:02:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:45:02 -0500 Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now would be a great to mention update-alternatives too. :-) update-alternatives(8) (when you get man working) (~)% update-alternatives --config pager I'm nominating Kevin and Brian jointly to share an award for Debian's hot tip of the month. I unstalled most, then used update-alternatives to config my pager, and my man pages now look spectacular. Now if only Debian had a tool to make me look this good. - Robert Amen! most is more than less! Cool. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: devfs newbie questions about mounting
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 04:05:52PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: On Sunday 26 January 2003 15:32, Dave W wrote: What I _did_ try was mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom and that still fails. I still have scsi emulation and the like setup so I guess perhaps at least THAT little bit has changed. Perhaps it's using sr or sg or one of the other scsi alphabet soup assignments. Have a look at /dev/cdroms and I think you'll have a pleasant surprise... Or /dev/sr0 Or try the alias you have set up in your .bash_profile flop='mount /dev/floppy /floppy' uflop='umount /dev/floppy' It makes sense to put them in your profile, since the hardware will unlikely move unless you change your hardware configuration. -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs newbie questions about mounting
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 00:09, Jerome Acks Jr wrote: devfsd creates symlinks from old device names to devfs device names. /dev/hda1 will be a symlink to ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1. Your /dev/cdrom will be a symlink to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0. So mount /dev/fd0 /floppy will still work, or you could mount the device with mount /dev/floppy/0 /floppy. Jerome - thanks. You're certainly right that /dev/floppy still works ... I didn't try that. What I _did_ try was mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom and that still fails. I still have scsi emulation and the like setup so I guess perhaps at least THAT little bit has changed. Perhaps it's using sr or sg or one of the other scsi alphabet soup assignments. Thanks again. -- Dave W [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs newbie questions about mounting
On Sunday 26 January 2003 15:32, Dave W wrote: What I _did_ try was mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom and that still fails. I still have scsi emulation and the like setup so I guess perhaps at least THAT little bit has changed. Perhaps it's using sr or sg or one of the other scsi alphabet soup assignments. Have a look at /dev/cdroms and I think you'll have a pleasant surprise... -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs newbie questions about mounting
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 04:05:52PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: On Sunday 26 January 2003 15:32, Dave W wrote: What I _did_ try was mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom and that still fails. I still have scsi emulation and the like setup so I guess perhaps at least THAT little bit has changed. Perhaps it's using sr or sg or one of the other scsi alphabet soup assignments. Have a look at /dev/cdroms and I think you'll have a pleasant surprise... Or /dev/sr0 If any devices you expect to see don't exist, make sure you have loaded the associated module or compiled it into the kernel. -- Jerome msg26447/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
devfs newbie questions about mounting
I've been messing around with devfs in sid, trying to learn my way around, since this may be the way of the future ... and although /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/cd makes good SENSE and is pretty easy to figure out, it's not so quick to type when mounting by hand. I'm used to more or less ignoring the fstab and mounting the old way, like mount /dev/fd0 /floppy enter. Takes about two seconds, and it's done. Outside of starting to use fstab, is there a better/faster way to mount things using the command line, with devfs? TIA-- -- Dave W [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs newbie questions about mounting
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:44:14PM -0500, Dave W wrote: I've been messing around with devfs in sid, trying to learn my way around, since this may be the way of the future ... and although /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/cd makes good SENSE and is pretty easy to figure out, it's not so quick to type when mounting by hand. I'm used to more or less ignoring the fstab and mounting the old way, like mount /dev/fd0 /floppy enter. Takes about two seconds, and it's done. Outside of starting to use fstab, is there a better/faster way to mount things using the command line, with devfs? devfsd creates symlinks from old device names to devfs device names. /dev/hda1 will be a symlink to ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1. Your /dev/cdrom will be a symlink to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0. So mount /dev/fd0 /floppy will still work, or you could mount the device with mount /dev/floppy/0 /floppy. -- Jerome msg26302/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A few Newbie Questions
also sprach Wathen, Metherion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.25.1938 +0200]: I asked this question for future reference in case I need to increase the size. Currently I have a 50Mb swap partition, I have 12Mb of physical ram. This is fine. Usually twice the size is good up to 256Mb, when you should make the partition the same size as RAM. But to answer your question: It will be difficult to rescale your partitions without having to reinstall. You should look at tools like GNU parted (package: parted) to see if it can help you. `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system - I like this! I've tried mandrake, peanut some of the easy linuxes, and they were, Debian however offers something more. It's not too hard and not too limiting/controlling - I'm liking it! Great. And the best: it's not really arrogant if we say that we know why! ;^ Thanks again for all your help, I'm off to tldp.org to learn about automount :) There is also a way to mount the cdrom on insertion automatically without autofs (which isn't all that great, I find), but I don't know how to do it. If you find out, let me know. -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system msg09393/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Questions
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:11:14PM -0700, C. Brewer wrote: Anti-aliasing fonts and icons (through KDE), do I need it? What is the purpose? And if it's a good thing,where to find simple info? The technical advice on many subjects often leaves me bewildered:( Fonts are (ideally) made up of nice geometric curves and so can be scaled in size with no loss of quality. Your screen displays bitmaps though, so they have to be converted before you can see them. This bit is called `rasterisation' and is surprisingly tricky to do well. Run xmag and look at some text on your screen. You'll notice that the edge is blocky and uneven; this blockiness is called aliasing. There are two ways to get rid of this blockiness: increase the resolution (pixels/cm) of your display or hide it (anti-aliasing). Obviously, the hiding method is a lot easier to do in software than the resolution one:) So anti-aliasing software blends the edges of your text with the background it's sitting on, making it look a _lot_ smoother, but sometimes a bit smudgy. There are lots of ways to do this, but the best method in common usage is patented by Apple and is thus unavailable to Free software users. There's lots of debate about AA these days. Some people love it, some people hate it. If you're using KDE, then you can enable it in the `Font' section of the Control Centre (IIRC, it's been a while...). If you're using GNOME 1.4, install the `gdkxft-capplet' package and enable AA in the Gdkxft section of the Control Panel. Give it a try, you might like it. It's easy enough to disable, and it doesn't cause too much of a slowdown on your system either. You will need good quality fonts though; the best seem either MS's in the msttfcorefonts package unfortunately, but they'll have to do until some really good Free fonts appear. Also noted that my system does not power down on halt. I changed my prefs in KDE to use /sbin/poweroff instead of /sbin/halt. After reading the man pages on poweroff, halt and reboot, I am left even more confused. The man pages say that when halt or poweroff is called from other than runlevels 0 or 6, it invokes shutdown instead. I have tried,as root and user to /sbin/halt -p, /sbin/poweroff and just plain poweroff, all ending with the system going through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the I think you just need to enable APM support. Add a line that says append=apm=on to your lilo.conf, re-run lilo and reboot. It should (if your hardware supports it) power itself off the next time you shutdown. -rob msg09422/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Questions
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:31:51AM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:11:14PM -0700, C. Brewer wrote: through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the I think you just need to enable APM support. Add a line that says append=apm=on to your lilo.conf, re-run lilo and reboot. It should (if your hardware supports it) power itself off the next time you shutdown. If C. Brewer was using 2.4 kernel, i think he need to do following from the root (suppose he is not on SMP machine) # echo apm /etc/mofules # insmod apm For full instruction, see Debian Reference http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-apm -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie Questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I found the a few site on setting up te true-type windows fonts, but this covers only .ttf. Is it any different to do .fon fonts? Anti-aliasing fonts and icons (through KDE), do I need it? What is the purpose? And if it's a good thing,where to find simple info? The technical advice on many subjects often leaves me bewildered:( Also noted that my system does not power down on halt. I changed my prefs in KDE to use /sbin/poweroff instead of /sbin/halt. After reading the man pages on poweroff, halt and reboot, I am left even more confused. The man pages say that when halt or poweroff is called from other than runlevels 0 or 6, it invokes shutdown instead. I have tried,as root and user to /sbin/halt -p, /sbin/poweroff and just plain poweroff, all ending with the system going through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the problem, and if so, how do I remedy this? I know this is probably basic for the list, but i'm trying:( - -- Chuck Brewer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ujIG4cYuSvLqsAoRAg85AJ9YBWsDPTCnf5xeDhJc6m5qucgI7ACfexgC NC/tUlIY1QykytFFiK0hWOw= =4qMm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 02:19, Hugh Saunders wrote: 26/10/2002 07:11:14, C. Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the a few site on setting up te true-type windows fonts, but this covers only .ttf. Is it any different to do .fon fonts? i thought .fon werent true type? could be wrong, -- hugh Same here - I thought that .fon were bitmaps used by M$ before Adobe showed that a PC could scale font description files on the fly. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: A few Newbie Questions
Wathen, Metherion wrote: 4.) Is it possible to have the cdrom and floopy drives automatically mount without recompiling the kernel? man fstab. you will have to edit /etc/fstab 6.) Where is there a mp3 plugin for XMMS? - do it need one? i think the default debian package installs it. i could play mp3s on xmms out of the box 7.) Is there a GUI file manager for X, WindowMaker, Debian? several. gmc is one of them - sandip -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions
Hi Chuck, --- C. Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the a few site on setting up te true-type windows fonts, but this covers only .ttf. Is it any different to do .fon fonts? Anti-aliasing fonts and icons (through KDE), do I need it? What is the purpose? And if it's a good thing,where to find simple info? The technical advice on many subjects often leaves me bewildered:( Also noted that my system does not power down on halt. I changed my prefs in KDE to use /sbin/poweroff instead of /sbin/halt. After reading the man pages on poweroff, halt and reboot, I am left even more confused. The man pages say that when halt or poweroff is called from other than runlevels 0 or 6, it invokes shutdown instead. I have tried,as root and user to /sbin/halt -p, /sbin/poweroff and just plain poweroff, all ending with the system going through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the problem, and if so, how do I remedy this? In your etc/lilo.conf you need to add to the append=apm=on After you make that entry you need to type lilo in the terminal to maje sure that you update the lilo.conf file. Then when you power down your system it should turn off. I always use as su 'shutdown -h now' HTH Don I know this is probably basic for the list, but i'm trying:( - -- Chuck Brewer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ujIG4cYuSvLqsAoRAg85AJ9YBWsDPTCnf5xeDhJc6m5qucgI7ACfexgC NC/tUlIY1QykytFFiK0hWOw= =4qMm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A few Newbie Questions
Hi and thanks for any help I receive in response to the following: 1.) How do you uninstall packages, so that you get more free space on your harddrive? (exp. I used 'df -h' and seen that I had 200 mb free, I used dpkg to uninstall some programs, ran df again and still only had 200 mb free.) 2.) How do I modify swap partiton size without having to reinstall everything all over again? 3.) How do I change the clock time to the correct time? 4.) Is it possible to have the cdrom and floopy drives automatically mount without recompiling the kernel? 5.) How do I check if my sound card/drivers are working? (exp. I have WindowMaker installed and sound events turned on but I get no sound. I installed XMMS and it plays .cda, so how come no other sounds?) 6.) Where is there a mp3 plugin for XMMS? - do it need one? 7.) Is there a GUI file manager for X, WindowMaker, Debian? 8.) Where should I put tarballs I've downloaded before running gzip -dc? Can I gzip from a cd to my harddrive? If so, how? 9.) How do I switch between color depths on the fly? Ctl + Alt + + seems to only switch resolutions. 10.) Do I need all 7 cd's to upgrade from potato to woody? Or can I just d/l the first cd? If someone could tell me of a website that helps people migrate from Windows to Linux, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks everyone for your help. mw. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few Newbie Questions
OK, here's a go at some of these On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:21:05AM -0500, Wathen, Metherion wrote: Hi and thanks for any help I receive in response to the following: 1.) How do you uninstall packages, so that you get more free space on your harddrive? (exp. I used 'df -h' and seen that I had 200 mb free, I used dpkg to uninstall some programs, ran df again and still only had 200 mb free.) dpkg should be fine for removal although apt-get remove (you might want to do --purge when permanently removing a package), will handle dependencies for you. How large were these packages though? It is possible that they were small enough to not make a difference 2.) How do I modify swap partiton size without having to reinstall everything all over again? This depends, do you have more free (unpartitioned) space on your disk? If so, you can run cfdisk, and create an additional swap partition, add an entry for it in /etc/fstab (copy your current swap line, changing the partition name) and run swapon (man swapon for details). Otherwise, you will need to resize your partitions. Check out parted if this is the case. 3.) How do I change the clock time to the correct time? man date (heh) 4.) Is it possible to have the cdrom and floopy drives automatically mount without recompiling the kernel? yes, check out automount 5.) How do I check if my sound card/drivers are working? (exp. I have WindowMaker installed and sound events turned on but I get no sound. I installed XMMS and it plays .cda, so how come no other sounds?) In order for sound to be working, you would have had to configure it. The sndconfig package provides a nice way to configure many sound cards. Otherwise, find the appropriate module for you sound card and run modprobe modulename to make this permanent, put modulename in /etc/modules if you want a nice, noisy way to test you can do cat /bin/ls /dev/dsp :) 6.) Where is there a mp3 plugin for XMMS? - do it need one? afaik, xmms still has mp3 support built in 7.) Is there a GUI file manager for X, WindowMaker, Debian? there are -many- gui file managers. Search the web for this one. 8.) Where should I put tarballs I've downloaded before running gzip -dc? Can I gzip from a cd to my harddrive? If so, how? the location is up to you and depends on what is in the tarballs. To extract from one location to another do something like: [/tmp]$ tar xvzf /cdrom/filename.tar.gz 9.) How do I switch between color depths on the fly? Ctl + Alt + + seems to only switch resolutions. You don't :) this is a planned feature for XFree86 (why do you need it anyway? just curious) 10.) Do I need all 7 cd's to upgrade from potato to woody? Or can I just d/l the first cd? it depends, is the software that you have installed contained on the first CD? :) Hope that helps -Mark msg08971/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
