Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:33:58AM +0530, amir khan wrote: (Please keep the Debian user mailing list in the loop. First of all, there are lots of people there far more knowledgeable than me, thus raising the probability for you to get good help, second the results of your quest are there in the archives to help other people There is already a longer thread in the mailing list about your question. If you aren't subscribed, you can see it here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/11/msg00988.html And oh, if you are not subscribed, please tell us to keep you in copy, so you don't miss any annswers). > Yes Tomas, I tried all those listed for India. But it didn't work. Hope to > get it done the other way round(by using the mirror redirect service). > And also, I'm new to the debian and linux world and I'm going to use it for > Virtualization purposes(my final year project based on it). So , I just > want to know that, why to install debian linux distribution if I can get it > done on Ubuntu too. I'm a bit confused, please guide me. Thanks ! Well, those are two questions: Archives: the other archives in India: I don't know about the reachability of those archives. I asked just to find out wheter it could be that this one specific archive is down *or* whether you have more generic network problems. Since now you tried several archives, if I were in your place I'd try to find out whether your freshly installed VM has access to the Internet at all. Pick one of the archives which failed: can you access it from your browser? Debian vs Ubuntu Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, specially aimed at desktop users who have less experience with Unix/Linux. Some tools are more polished, some packages are newer. If you really want to tinker, Debian offers more possibilities. That said, the differences are not that big, and there are many tinkerers using Ubuntu and many "end-users" using Debian. It's free software, that means that each project can (and does) pick good things from the other. Since Debian is an open distribution, there are many Debian derivatives. regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlg6z9IACgkQBcgs9XrR2kb5cgCfTHRko+ANt7pepuCVDHLUxib9 EHYAnj4ZnjUZxgN8b7P3pHOvaXvsLCFC =aghL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
Brian wrote: > The only thing I vaguely understand about the difference between the > two is that httpredir.debian.org uses the traditional mirror network > whereas deb.debian.org uses the Fastly CDN (Content Delivery Network) > and there is some caching going on. Fastly and Cloudfront are used > Because Fastly has local peering arrangements mirror choices are > supposed to be local (and hence faster). I've not noticed any > difference in a few short tests. You are correct. Additional bonus: deb.debian.org can also be accessed via HTTPS if you want/need to further obfuscate what you pull from mirrors. Grüße, S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat 26 Nov 2016 at 16:44:42 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 26 Nov 2016 at 18:40:38 +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > >> Brian wrote: > >> > I think viewing deb.debian.org as beta is fair. Viewing the redirector > >> > as deprecated or about to be closed down in not correct. There is a > >> > diversity of views in both threads. > >> > >> There are. But all more or less agree that httpredir.debian.org is > >> unmaintained and just cruising along on auto-pilot. > > > > Very informative. Either would do for me in the UK, I think (assuming > > httpredir.debian.org stays around). Should we now be recommending > > deb.debian.org in user now? What do we get from it for our money? > > I went through the threads posted by you and Sven. I think you can > recommend httpredir service untill there is a formal announcement of > moving to deb.debian.org . The httpredir service is just not > maintained but not deprecated. If it does not work as expected, bugs > can be filed[1] with the following pseudo headers. > > Package: mirrors > Severity: normal > User: mirr...@packages.debian.org > Usertags: httpredir Seems to be a reasonable approach. Maybe deb.debian.org is better for people with particular needs. I have to say I have generally done well by the redirector in terms of speed and reliability. The only thing I vaguely understand about the difference between the two is that httpredir.debian.org uses the traditional mirror network whereas deb.debian.org uses the Fastly CDN (Content Delivery Network) and there is some caching going on. Because Fastly has local peering arrangements mirror choices are supposed to be local (and hence faster). I've not noticed any difference in a few short tests. -- Brian. -- Brian.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sat 26 Nov 2016 at 18:40:38 +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > >> Brian wrote: >> > I think viewing deb.debian.org as beta is fair. Viewing the redirector >> > as deprecated or about to be closed down in not correct. There is a >> > diversity of views in both threads. >> >> There are. But all more or less agree that httpredir.debian.org is >> unmaintained and just cruising along on auto-pilot. > > Very informative. Either would do for me in the UK, I think (assuming > httpredir.debian.org stays around). Should we now be recommending > deb.debian.org in user now? What do we get from it for our money? I went through the threads posted by you and Sven. I think you can recommend httpredir service untill there is a formal announcement of moving to deb.debian.org . The httpredir service is just not maintained but not deprecated. If it does not work as expected, bugs can be filed[1] with the following pseudo headers. Package: mirrors Severity: normal User: mirr...@packages.debian.org Usertags: httpredir [1] - https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2016/04/msg00035.html -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat 26 Nov 2016 at 18:40:38 +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > For the -devel thread: > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00071.html > > I had a more recent thread in mind and I just found it. It was kind of > buried inside the "When should we https our mirrors?" thread. > > From: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/10/msg00362.html > > ,[ Peter Palfrader > | > TL;DR: Would we now recommend deb.d.o over httpredir.d.o for > | > production use e.g. in base images (including for Jessie)? > | > | Yes. > ` > > And here https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/10/msg00490.html one > of the maintainers behind deb.debian.org states the "experimental" phase > has ended: > > ,[ Tollef Fog Heen > | As of this morning, the bit about experimental was removed from the web > | page. > ` > > And here the reference for d-i (more precisely debootstrap) switching to > deb.debian.org: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/11/msg6.html > > > I think viewing deb.debian.org as beta is fair. Viewing the redirector > > as deprecated or about to be closed down in not correct. There is a > > diversity of views in both threads. > > There are. But all more or less agree that httpredir.debian.org is > unmaintained and just cruising along on auto-pilot. Very informative. Either would do for me in the UK, I think (assuming httpredir.debian.org stays around). Should we now be recommending deb.debian.org in user now? What do we get from it for our money? -- Brian.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
Brian wrote: > On Sat 26 Nov 2016 at 11:51:19 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: >> Thanks Sven. Is this still a beta service or mature enough to be >> recommended to debian users? Hopefully there is a formal announcement >> on this. As it stands, httpredir is mentioned in many places. For >> example >> >> https://www.debian.org/mirror/list >> https://www.debian.org/mirror/ >> http://httpredir.debian.org/ >> >> and is all over the wiki (there are 145 hits for httpredir >> site:wiki.debian.org in google). > For the -devel thread: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00071.html I had a more recent thread in mind and I just found it. It was kind of buried inside the "When should we https our mirrors?" thread. From: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/10/msg00362.html ,[ Peter Palfrader | > TL;DR: Would we now recommend deb.d.o over httpredir.d.o for | > production use e.g. in base images (including for Jessie)? | | Yes. ` And here https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/10/msg00490.html one of the maintainers behind deb.debian.org states the "experimental" phase has ended: ,[ Tollef Fog Heen | As of this morning, the bit about experimental was removed from the web | page. ` And here the reference for d-i (more precisely debootstrap) switching to deb.debian.org: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/11/msg6.html > I think viewing deb.debian.org as beta is fair. Viewing the redirector > as deprecated or about to be closed down in not correct. There is a > diversity of views in both threads. There are. But all more or less agree that httpredir.debian.org is unmaintained and just cruising along on auto-pilot. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat 26 Nov 2016 at 11:51:19 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: > > kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > >> Where is it documented that httpredir is deprecated and that we should > >> use deb.debian.org's service going forward? Has it been announce > >> somewhere? > > > > There has been a thread on debian-devel (I can't find the Message-ID at > > the moment) and the latest version of the next debian-installer for > > Stretch switched the URL from httpredir.debian.org to deb.debian.org. > > > >> Also, will it work for Jessie or is it more for stretch or later? > > > > It will work a bit more efficient for Stretch+, but it also works as > > intended for Wheezy and Jessie. > > > > Thanks Sven. Is this still a beta service or mature enough to be > recommended to debian users? Hopefully there is a formal announcement > on this. As it stands, httpredir is mentioned in many places. For > example > > https://www.debian.org/mirror/list > https://www.debian.org/mirror/ > http://httpredir.debian.org/ > > and is all over the wiki (there are 145 hits for httpredir > site:wiki.debian.org in google). For the -devel thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00071.html For the -project thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2016/04/msg00012.html I think viewing deb.debian.org as beta is fair. Viewing the redirector as deprecated or about to be closed down in not correct. There is a diversity of views in both threads. > Now I feel stupid for filing > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845769 today morning > asking httpredir to be discussed in the debian-handbook. :FacePalm: Don't feel like that. You can either close the report with an explantion or add to it saying you have become aware of deb.debian.org and leaving any decision until things clarify may not be a bad idea. -- Brian.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: > kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > >> Where is it documented that httpredir is deprecated and that we should >> use deb.debian.org's service going forward? Has it been announce >> somewhere? > > There has been a thread on debian-devel (I can't find the Message-ID at > the moment) and the latest version of the next debian-installer for > Stretch switched the URL from httpredir.debian.org to deb.debian.org. > >> Also, will it work for Jessie or is it more for stretch or later? > > It will work a bit more efficient for Stretch+, but it also works as > intended for Wheezy and Jessie. > Thanks Sven. Is this still a beta service or mature enough to be recommended to debian users? Hopefully there is a formal announcement on this. As it stands, httpredir is mentioned in many places. For example https://www.debian.org/mirror/list https://www.debian.org/mirror/ http://httpredir.debian.org/ and is all over the wiki (there are 145 hits for httpredir site:wiki.debian.org in google). Now I feel stupid for filing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845769 today morning asking httpredir to be discussed in the debian-handbook. :FacePalm: raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: >> httpredir is somewhat deprecated now. >> >> The new official service is deb.debian.org: >> >> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free >> >> But you can use both at the same time to get the maximum coverage, of >> course. > Where is it documented that httpredir is deprecated and that we should > use deb.debian.org's service going forward? Has it been announce > somewhere? There has been a thread on debian-devel (I can't find the Message-ID at the moment) and the latest version of the next debian-installer for Stretch switched the URL from httpredir.debian.org to deb.debian.org. > Also, will it work for Jessie or is it more for stretch or later? It will work a bit more efficient for Stretch+, but it also works as intended for Wheezy and Jessie. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: > kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > >> For these and many other reasons, it is better to use the "mirror >> redirector service". The idea is to add something like > >> deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free > >> in the /etc/apt/sources.list and let apt-get figure out the best >> mirror for you. More details on this approach can be found at >> http://httpredir.debian.org/ . > > httpredir is somewhat deprecated now. > > The new official service is deb.debian.org: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free > > But you can use both at the same time to get the maximum coverage, of > course. Where is it documented that httpredir is deprecated and that we should use deb.debian.org's service going forward? Has it been announce somewhere? Also, will it work for Jessie or is it more for stretch or later? thanks raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > For these and many other reasons, it is better to use the "mirror > redirector service". The idea is to add something like > deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free > in the /etc/apt/sources.list and let apt-get figure out the best > mirror for you. More details on this approach can be found at > http://httpredir.debian.org/ . httpredir is somewhat deprecated now. The new official service is deb.debian.org: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free But you can use both at the same time to get the maximum coverage, of course. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 5:59 AM, amir khan wrote: > Hello! > I am unable to configure the package manager. The mirrors given in the list > of INDIA can't fetch any content. > Is there any other way to configure it. I would really appreciate any help. > > Thank You! Hi Amir Khan, There are currently 3 Debian mirrors in India - debianmirror.nkn.in, ftp.iitm.ac.in, mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in . The list changes from time to time. To get the latest set of mirrors, go to https://www.debian.org/mirror/list and search for the country of interest (which in your case is India). You can try these mirrors one-by-one and see which one works for you. But I do not suggest this for the following reasons 1) This is not a scalable approach. For example, there could be many mirrors for some countries (ex:- United States has 60) and trying each can be tiring. 2) Geographical proximity to a mirror does not always mean that it will serve you best. 3) Not all mirrors carry all the architectures. For example, debianmirror.nkn.in carries three architectures while ftp.iitm.ac.in carries five. 4) The process has to be repeated every time you move to a different location which can be annoying for laptop users. For these and many other reasons, it is better to use the "mirror redirector service". The idea is to add something like deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free in the /etc/apt/sources.list and let apt-get figure out the best mirror for you. More details on this approach can be found at http://httpredir.debian.org/ . hope that helps raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog
Re: Package configure problem during Installation.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 04:29:19PM +0530, amir khan wrote: > Hello! > I am unable to configure the package manager. The mirrors given in the list > of INDIA can't fetch any content. > Is there any other way to configure it. I would really appreciate any help. Have you tried with any other mirrors? regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlg5jkQACgkQBcgs9XrR2kavDwCfTsv7zZ2LUqcHyCpqb2J5rQbu GBEAn26EQPj23nM1fPr1ASrTTBYPecuE =hwF2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Package configure problem during Installation.
Hello! I am unable to configure the package manager. The mirrors given in the list of INDIA can't fetch any content. Is there any other way to configure it. I would really appreciate any help. Thank You!