Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2008-07-21 22:17:39, schrieb Nigel Henry:
> The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants 
> payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte 
> Bleue.

Do you want pressed DVD's or burned?

I have the three DVD's here in Strasbourg and I can burn it and send
it to you if you are willing to pay the DVD's + Frais d'envoi.

Tu peu payer directement sur mon compte à la "Banque Postale".  En suit,
dans quelque yours j'offre un achat de tout les CD/DVD via ma site Web.

I sell generaly in Germany and France but also Europe/Worldwide.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 23 July 2008 16:49, elijah r. wrote:
> > I don't know if the netinstall cd would do. Does it use the same
> > installer, as on the 1st i386 cd for Etch?
>
> I am pretty sure it is exactly the same, but it grabs installation
> packages from the internet instead of from the local CD/DVDs.
> Also, I wasn't sure whether you had tried passing the "acpi=off"
> parameter to installation bootloaders, or just to the bootloaders on
> your hard disk after installation.


>
> I've had some issues with certain motherboards not even booting off of
> installation CD/DVDs unless I pass something like "acpi=off noapic" to
> the boot options.
>
> So, if the boot prompt for some installation CD is is "boot: "  you
> usually just type "linux acpi=off noapic" or "vmlinuz acpi=off noapic"
> or something along those lines.

Well I've got Fedora 8  booted up on this new machine at the moment, and am 
downloading the debian-4.0r3-i386-netinst.iso. As I previously said, to boot 
post-install Fedora 8, I had to stop some services from being started, and 
looking in /boot/grub/grub.conf, it seems like I'd had to add both noapic, 
and nolapic to the kernel line.

can't say that I'm too clued up on acpi, even though reading the man pages.
>
> As for the other issues you have had, such as with KDM working/not
> working and the runlevels failing, they seem erratic, which many times
> can be hardware-related.  What kind of processor do you have?  Have
> you run memtest on your memory?  Have you tested your hard disk to
> make sure it doesn't have bad blocks or other errors?

Processor is AMD Athlon 64 3800+, which is one of the 3 suggested for the Asus 
M2N-X Plus mobo. I havn't run memtest on the memory yet. The memory comprise 
of 2x1GB of Crucial Ballistix, which Crucial say is fine for this mobo.

Nigel.
>
> Cheers,
> Elijah
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Thomas Preud'homme]

The Wednesday 23 July 2008 16:41:38 Damon L. Chesser, you wrote :
> On Wednesday 23 July 2008 10:09:34 am Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 July 2008 21:52, elijah r. wrote:
> > > Debian Etch ISO images are available for download, completely free,
> > > via the internet, just like those Fedora ISO's you are downloading.
> > >
> > > I highly recommend you get the single Debian NetInstall ISO.  Since
> > > you are using a Dial-Up connection, this will be the fastest way to
> > > install Debian.
> > >
> > > On a side note, what kinds of problems were you running into when
> > > installing other distros?
> > >
> > > I had problems installing most distros on a computer I built that was
> > > using a motherboard with a VIA C3 processor, which is missing the
> > > "CMOV" instruction that some 686 binaries are compiled with.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Elijah
> >
> > Hi Elijah. I think that I'll go ahead and download the 1st cd iso, and
> > see if it boots ok on this new machine with the Asus M2N-X Plus mobo.
> >
> > As your regards your question above. The first problem was that I had to
> > disable ACPI in the BIOS, as neither install disks or live cd's would
> > boot before doing that.
> >
> > Fedora 8 then installed ok, but post install wouldn't completely boot up,
> > and got stuck at starting service ip6tables, and rebooting into runlevel
> > 1, it got stuck at "cpu frequency scaling" (I think the messages said not
> > supported in kernel). Rebooted, doing an interactive startup, and said
> > "No" to a whole bunch of services starting, and then the bootup ran to
> > completion.
> >
> > Kubuntu 7.10 was more of a problem. It would bootup as far as starting
> > KDM, then it obviously was trying to startx, and present the KDM splash
> > screen, but all I got was a black screen, with a mouse pointer, but
> > everything was locked up, no mouse movement, no keyboard, the whole
> > machine had just stopped, and I had to do a hard reset. After some time,
> > and trying various incantations on the kernel line, I eventually removed
> > the part which said "force-vesa", and added "acpi=off". Enter, then it
> > booted up, and tried to startx a couple of times, then dropped me to the
> > command line. Tried, just for fun, startx, and it logged me straight in
> > to KDE, with no problems. Now Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10, is live cd, but
> > when booted up, has a desktop icon to install to harddrive, and I was
> > able to install it ok, but still have to append the kernel line, with
> > "acpi=off", otherwise when booting up it locks everthing up when it gets
> > as far as opening the KDM splash screen, needs a hard reset.
> >
> > Kubuntu Breezy installed ok, and I have all the updates for upgrading to
> > Dapper on another harddrive. Having upgraded it, I tried booting with the
> > later 2.6.15-52-386 kernel (the Dapper one), and again it got stuck at
> > opening the KDM splashscreen. I rebooted it appending the kernel line to
> > boot into runlevel 3, as I wanted to check any messages, as to what the
> > problem might be. It didn't boot into runlevel 3, but strangely opened
> > the KDM splashscreen, and I was able to login ok. Adding 3 to the kernel
> > line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, it now boots up ok, but all a bit weird.
> >
> > All of this is why I need at least the 1st i386 cd for Etch, so that I
> > can see any similar problems on this new machine, when trying to install
> > Etch.
> >
> > I don't know if the netinstall cd would do. Does it use the same
> > installer, as on the 1st i386 cd for Etch?
> >
> > Thanks folks, for all the suggestions, and many apologies for anything I
> > said yesterday.
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> At least in English (US) we have a saying, "Been there, done that!".  I
> have been (in the distant past) very upset at "Linux".  In reality, it was
> closed source firmware/drivers and cut rate manufactures who built a
> machine to windows specs *only* that was making me frustrated.
>
> I think the netinstall does use the same installer, so it will work or not.
> I would only install the base and only the base system.  When the "Software
> selection"  ncurses screen comes up deslect all but the "system" (I think
> that is the right name for it, no Desktop, no *server, you may want to
> select "Laptop".  Then modify your sources list to point to testing, 
> update, then aptitude safe-upgrade, if all goes well, then aptitude
> full-upgrade. THEN and ONLY THEN would I run "tasksel" and pick "Desktop
> environment".
>
> Here is my rational:  you are running what would appear to be very new
> hardware (are very badly designed older hardware, same effect) and Testing
> will have newer drivers (in the kernel) better able to handle it.  If the
> installer will not even work for you (a possibility) then if you want
> Debian, you will need an installer that will install testing or sid (Sidux
> will install Sid).  You can find these by googleing for debian installer. 
> There are many different third party installers

Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[elijah r.]

> I don't know if the netinstall cd would do. Does it use the same installer, as
> on the 1st i386 cd for Etch?

I am pretty sure it is exactly the same, but it grabs installation
packages from the internet instead of from the local CD/DVDs.
Also, I wasn't sure whether you had tried passing the "acpi=off"
parameter to installation bootloaders, or just to the bootloaders on
your hard disk after installation.

I've had some issues with certain motherboards not even booting off of
installation CD/DVDs unless I pass something like "acpi=off noapic" to
the boot options.

So, if the boot prompt for some installation CD is is "boot: "  you
usually just type "linux acpi=off noapic" or "vmlinuz acpi=off noapic"
or something along those lines.

As for the other issues you have had, such as with KDM working/not
working and the runlevels failing, they seem erratic, which many times
can be hardware-related.  What kind of processor do you have?  Have
you run memtest on your memory?  Have you tested your hard disk to
make sure it doesn't have bad blocks or other errors?

Cheers,
Elijah
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Wednesday 23 July 2008 10:09:34 am Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 July 2008 21:52, elijah r. wrote:
> > Debian Etch ISO images are available for download, completely free,
> > via the internet, just like those Fedora ISO's you are downloading.
> >
> > I highly recommend you get the single Debian NetInstall ISO.  Since
> > you are using a Dial-Up connection, this will be the fastest way to
> > install Debian.
> >
> > On a side note, what kinds of problems were you running into when
> > installing other distros?
> >
> > I had problems installing most distros on a computer I built that was
> > using a motherboard with a VIA C3 processor, which is missing the
> > "CMOV" instruction that some 686 binaries are compiled with.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Elijah
>
> Hi Elijah. I think that I'll go ahead and download the 1st cd iso, and see
> if it boots ok on this new machine with the Asus M2N-X Plus mobo.
>
> As your regards your question above. The first problem was that I had to
> disable ACPI in the BIOS, as neither install disks or live cd's would boot
> before doing that.
>
> Fedora 8 then installed ok, but post install wouldn't completely boot up,
> and got stuck at starting service ip6tables, and rebooting into runlevel 1,
> it got stuck at "cpu frequency scaling" (I think the messages said not
> supported in kernel). Rebooted, doing an interactive startup, and said "No"
> to a whole bunch of services starting, and then the bootup ran to
> completion.
>
> Kubuntu 7.10 was more of a problem. It would bootup as far as starting KDM,
> then it obviously was trying to startx, and present the KDM splash screen,
> but all I got was a black screen, with a mouse pointer, but everything was
> locked up, no mouse movement, no keyboard, the whole machine had just
> stopped, and I had to do a hard reset. After some time, and trying various
> incantations on the kernel line, I eventually removed the part which said
> "force-vesa", and added "acpi=off". Enter, then it booted up, and tried to
> startx a couple of times, then dropped me to the command line. Tried, just
> for fun, startx, and it logged me straight in to KDE, with no problems. Now
> Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10, is live cd, but when booted up, has a desktop
> icon to install to harddrive, and I was able to install it ok, but still
> have to append the kernel line, with "acpi=off", otherwise when booting up
> it locks everthing up when it gets as far as opening the KDM splash screen,
> needs a hard reset.
>
> Kubuntu Breezy installed ok, and I have all the updates for upgrading to
> Dapper on another harddrive. Having upgraded it, I tried booting with the
> later 2.6.15-52-386 kernel (the Dapper one), and again it got stuck at
> opening the KDM splashscreen. I rebooted it appending the kernel line to
> boot into runlevel 3, as I wanted to check any messages, as to what the
> problem might be. It didn't boot into runlevel 3, but strangely opened the
> KDM splashscreen, and I was able to login ok. Adding 3 to the kernel line
> in /boot/grub/menu.lst, it now boots up ok, but all a bit weird.
>
> All of this is why I need at least the 1st i386 cd for Etch, so that I can
> see any similar problems on this new machine, when trying to install Etch.
>
> I don't know if the netinstall cd would do. Does it use the same installer,
> as on the 1st i386 cd for Etch?
>
> Thanks folks, for all the suggestions, and many apologies for anything I
> said yesterday.
>
> Nigel.

At least in English (US) we have a saying, "Been there, done that!".  I have 
been (in the distant past) very upset at "Linux".  In reality, it was closed 
source firmware/drivers and cut rate manufactures who built a machine to 
windows specs *only* that was making me frustrated.   

I think the netinstall does use the same installer, so it will work or not. I 
would only install the base and only the base system.  When the "Software 
selection"  ncurses screen comes up deslect all but the "system" (I think 
that is the right name for it, no Desktop, no *server, you may want to 
select "Laptop".  Then modify your sources list to point to testing,  update, 
then aptitude safe-upgrade, if all goes well, then aptitude full-upgrade.  
THEN and ONLY THEN would I run "tasksel" and pick "Desktop environment".

Here is my rational:  you are running what would appear to be very new 
hardware (are very badly designed older hardware, same effect) and Testing 
will have newer drivers (in the kernel) better able to handle it.  If the 
installer will not even work for you (a possibility) then if you want Debian, 
you will need an installer that will install testing or sid (Sidux will 
install Sid).  You can find these by googleing for debian installer.  There 
are many different third party installers that will install testing or sid or 
have different kernels for difficult machines.  Sidux is the only one I am 
currently familiar with.  You might want to cut to the chase and download 
that.  http://sidux.com/

Sidux IS De

Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,23.Jul.08, 16:09:34, Nigel Henry wrote:
 
> I don't know if the netinstall cd would do. Does it use the same installer, 
> as 
> on the 1st i386 cd for Etch?
 
AFAIK yes. You should read the FAQ at http://www.debian.org/CD/faq

Also, if you have troubles booting you can try the LennyBeta2 installer 
which can also install etch-and-a-half (etch with kernel 2.6.24).  

Another advantage of the netinst is that you don't need to download the 
full CD1 .iso and then find out it doesn't boot ;) (though it can still  
be usefull to get packages from it)

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 21:52, elijah r. wrote:
> Debian Etch ISO images are available for download, completely free,
> via the internet, just like those Fedora ISO's you are downloading.
>
> I highly recommend you get the single Debian NetInstall ISO.  Since
> you are using a Dial-Up connection, this will be the fastest way to
> install Debian.
>
> On a side note, what kinds of problems were you running into when
> installing other distros?
>
> I had problems installing most distros on a computer I built that was
> using a motherboard with a VIA C3 processor, which is missing the
> "CMOV" instruction that some 686 binaries are compiled with.
>
> Cheers,
> Elijah

Hi Elijah. I think that I'll go ahead and download the 1st cd iso, and see if 
it boots ok on this new machine with the Asus M2N-X Plus mobo.

As your regards your question above. The first problem was that I had to 
disable ACPI in the BIOS, as neither install disks or live cd's would boot 
before doing that.

Fedora 8 then installed ok, but post install wouldn't completely boot up, and 
got stuck at starting service ip6tables, and rebooting into runlevel 1, it 
got stuck at "cpu frequency scaling" (I think the messages said not supported 
in kernel). Rebooted, doing an interactive startup, and said "No" to a whole 
bunch of services starting, and then the bootup ran to completion.

Kubuntu 7.10 was more of a problem. It would bootup as far as starting KDM, 
then it obviously was trying to startx, and present the KDM splash screen, 
but all I got was a black screen, with a mouse pointer, but everything was 
locked up, no mouse movement, no keyboard, the whole machine had just 
stopped, and I had to do a hard reset. After some time, and trying various 
incantations on the kernel line, I eventually removed the part which said 
"force-vesa", and added "acpi=off". Enter, then it booted up, and tried to 
startx a couple of times, then dropped me to the command line. Tried, just 
for fun, startx, and it logged me straight in to KDE, with no problems. Now 
Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10, is live cd, but when booted up, has a desktop icon 
to install to harddrive, and I was able to install it ok, but still have to 
append the kernel line, with "acpi=off", otherwise when booting up it locks 
everthing up when it gets as far as opening the KDM splash screen, needs a 
hard reset.

Kubuntu Breezy installed ok, and I have all the updates for upgrading to 
Dapper on another harddrive. Having upgraded it, I tried booting with the 
later 2.6.15-52-386 kernel (the Dapper one), and again it got stuck at 
opening the KDM splashscreen. I rebooted it appending the kernel line to boot 
into runlevel 3, as I wanted to check any messages, as to what the problem 
might be. It didn't boot into runlevel 3, but strangely opened the KDM 
splashscreen, and I was able to login ok. Adding 3 to the kernel line 
in /boot/grub/menu.lst, it now boots up ok, but all a bit weird.

All of this is why I need at least the 1st i386 cd for Etch, so that I can see 
any similar problems on this new machine, when trying to install Etch.

I don't know if the netinstall cd would do. Does it use the same installer, as 
on the 1st i386 cd for Etch?

Thanks folks, for all the suggestions, and many apologies for anything I said 
yesterday.

Nigel.


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Thomas Preud'homme]

The Tuesday 22 July 2008 22:38:17 thveillon.debian, you wrote :
> elijah r. wrote :
> > Debian Etch ISO images are available for download, completely free,
> > via the internet, just like those Fedora ISO's you are downloading.
> >
> > I highly recommend you get the single Debian NetInstall ISO.  Since
> > you are using a Dial-Up connection, this will be the fastest way to
> > install Debian.
> >
> > On a side note, what kinds of problems were you running into when
> > installing other distros?
> >
> > I had problems installing most distros on a computer I built that was
> > using a motherboard with a VIA C3 processor, which is missing the
> > "CMOV" instruction that some 686 binaries are compiled with.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Elijah
> >
> >>> Do you know ikarios ?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ikarios.com/p374-Debian.html
> >>>
> >>> hth.
> >>> --
> >>> Gérard
> >>
> >> Well Ikarios have what I want, but only will accept payment by chéque
> >> bancaire, and I can't use my carte bleue for paying online.
> >>
> >> This is incredible in the 21st century. I have to write out a cheque,
> >> get on my bike, and ride 20 mins to the post office, perhaps stand in a
> >> queue for 20 mins to buy a stamp (un timbre), then post it. 10 days
> >> later I may receive my Debian disks.
> >>
> >> I give up.
> >>
> >> I have built a new machine, and have had problems with installing
> >> Fedfora 8, Archlinux, and Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (7.10). Having got these
> >> distro's installed, I want to get Debian Etch installed. I only have
> >> Woody 3.0.r2 discs, and don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading
> >> to Sarge, then Etch, along with the transition from xfree86 to xorg
> >> again.
> >>
> >> Oh to hell with Debian. I have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny on another
> >> machine, and really wanted to see if there were problems installing Etch
> >> on my new machine, where I've had problems installing other distros.
> >>
> >> N.
>
> Maybe you could have posted on the French user mailing list, maybe
> there's someone in your area. I'll be in France (west) next week, if you
> can give me a postal target (to my private mail of course !) I'll send
> you a couple of spare iso's for Etch and Lenny (I have multi-arch Lenny
> and Etch). It would work out faster than Ikarios, and I only require
> payment in fake monopoly® bills ... ;-)
> Don't you have a LUG in your area ?
>
> Tom


Where do you live in France ? I live in Paris so I can give you CD I've 
downloaded on the net. You can also find Debian CD in events like RMLL and 
Solution linux. You can also check in some specialized magazines.

Reguards


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:51:07PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 July 2008 21:50, Arthur A wrote:
> > > I give up.
> > > 
> > > Oh to hell with Debian.
> > >
> >  > 
> > >
> > > N.
> >
> > Problem solved.
> 
> The probelm is not solved Arthur  A "I'm a wanker"
> 
> The problem is that I live in France, and to say the least it's a problem to 
> buy Debian CD/DVD sets, and pay for them using my Carte Bleue.
> 
> I do have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny installed on one machine, but want to see if 
> there are problems installing Etch on my new machine, where I've had problems 
> installing other distro's, Fedora8, Archlinux (Don't Panic), and Kubuntu 
> Gutsy Gibbon 7.10..
> 
> If you have nothing better to say than "problem solved" then bugger off, and 
> go and play with yourself.


If you have nothing better to do than complain about your local
situation, ignore the many perfectly valid suggestions others have
given you, *and* start calling people names, then maybe *you* should
bugger off and go and play with yourself. 

You are helping noone with your attitude. Several people here have
given you good suggestions to solve your problem. You should take
those suggestions and go away. 

A


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[John Hasler]

Nigel writes:
 > Oh to hell with Debian.

Arthur writes:
> Problem solved.

Nigel writes:
> The probelm is not solved Arthur  A "I'm a wanker"

> If you have nothing better to say than "problem solved" then bugger off,
> and go and play with yourself.

Arthur is not the one who wrote "to hell with Debian".  Do you think we get
a commission every time someone installs Debian?  Why do you think that
insulting us is going to get us to help you?  Try to contain your
frustration.  Expressing it here will only result in people killfiling you.

> The problem is that I live in France, and to say the least it's a problem
> to buy Debian CD/DVD sets, and pay for them using my Carte Bleue.

And I can't buy Debian CDs in Elmwood and put them on my Coop account.
Sounds like a local problem (or perhaps a business opportunity: anyone is
free to make and sell Debian CDs).  

> Sorry if I'm being sarcastic, but all I want to get is Debian Etch CD's
> from somwhere or other, either paid for, or downloadewd from the
> Internet.


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 05:50:52 pm Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue,22.Jul.08, 22:51:07, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > Sorry if I'm being sarcastic, but all I want to get is Debian Etch CD's
> > from somwhere or other, either paid for, or downloadewd from the
> > Internet.
>
> I already posted the link:
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org
>
> Where's the problem?
>
> Regards,
> Andrei

I also do not get the distress?  Download the CDs.

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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,22.Jul.08, 22:51:07, Nigel Henry wrote:
 
> Sorry if I'm being sarcastic, but all I want to get is Debian Etch CD's from 
> somwhere or other, either paid for, or downloadewd from the Internet.
 
I already posted the link:

http://cdimage.debian.org

Where's the problem?

Regards,
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Chuck Norwood]

- Original Message - 
From: "Nigel Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Problems getting Etch in France



On Tuesday 22 July 2008 21:50, Arthur A wrote:

> I give up.
> 
> Oh to hell with Debian.
>
 > 
>
> N.

Problem solved.


The probelm is not solved Arthur  A "I'm a wanker"

The problem is that I live in France, and to say the least it's a problem 
to

buy Debian CD/DVD sets, and pay for them using my Carte Bleue.

I do have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny installed on one machine, but want to see 
if
there are problems installing Etch on my new machine, where I've had 
problems

installing other distro's, Fedora8, Archlinux (Don't Panic), and Kubuntu
Gutsy Gibbon 7.10..

If you have nothing better to say than "problem solved" then bugger off, 
and

go and play with yourself.

Sorry if I'm being sarcastic, but all I want to get is Debian Etch CD's 
from

somwhere or other, either paid for, or downloadewd from the Internet.

Nigel.



Maybe you should try linux-fr on freenode.  There may be someone near you 
who can mail you what you need. 



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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[John Hasler]

Nigel writes:
> ...don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading to Sarge, then Etch,
> along with the transition from xfree86 to xorg again.

Why would you install Xfree86 at all when you intend to upgrade?  The only
sensible way to do that would be to install just the base system, do the
upgrades, and only then install X and whatever applications, servers,
desktops, etc. that you need.

Much simpler, though, to just download the Etch netinst CD as I and several
others have suggested.

> I give up.

We will try to get by without you.  It will be a struggle.
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 21:50, Arthur A wrote:
> > I give up.
> > 
> > Oh to hell with Debian.
> >
>  > 
> >
> > N.
>
> Problem solved.

The probelm is not solved Arthur  A "I'm a wanker"

The problem is that I live in France, and to say the least it's a problem to 
buy Debian CD/DVD sets, and pay for them using my Carte Bleue.

I do have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny installed on one machine, but want to see if 
there are problems installing Etch on my new machine, where I've had problems 
installing other distro's, Fedora8, Archlinux (Don't Panic), and Kubuntu 
Gutsy Gibbon 7.10..

If you have nothing better to say than "problem solved" then bugger off, and 
go and play with yourself.

Sorry if I'm being sarcastic, but all I want to get is Debian Etch CD's from 
somwhere or other, either paid for, or downloadewd from the Internet.

Nigel.



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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[thveillon.debian]

elijah r. wrote :

Debian Etch ISO images are available for download, completely free,
via the internet, just like those Fedora ISO's you are downloading.

I highly recommend you get the single Debian NetInstall ISO.  Since
you are using a Dial-Up connection, this will be the fastest way to
install Debian.

On a side note, what kinds of problems were you running into when
installing other distros?

I had problems installing most distros on a computer I built that was
using a motherboard with a VIA C3 processor, which is missing the
"CMOV" instruction that some 686 binaries are compiled with.

Cheers,
Elijah


Do you know ikarios ?

http://www.ikarios.com/p374-Debian.html

hth.
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Well Ikarios have what I want, but only will accept payment by chéque
bancaire, and I can't use my carte bleue for paying online.

This is incredible in the 21st century. I have to write out a cheque, get on
my bike, and ride 20 mins to the post office, perhaps stand in a queue for 20
mins to buy a stamp (un timbre), then post it. 10 days later I may receive my
Debian disks.

I give up.

I have built a new machine, and have had problems with installing Fedfora 8,
Archlinux, and Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (7.10). Having got these distro's
installed, I want to get Debian Etch installed. I only have Woody 3.0.r2
discs, and don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading to Sarge, then
Etch, along with the transition from xfree86 to xorg again.

Oh to hell with Debian. I have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny on another machine, and
really wanted to see if there were problems installing Etch on my new
machine, where I've had problems installing other distros.

N.



Maybe you could have posted on the French user mailing list, maybe 
there's someone in your area. I'll be in France (west) next week, if you 
can give me a postal target (to my private mail of course !) I'll send 
you a couple of spare iso's for Etch and Lenny (I have multi-arch Lenny 
and Etch). It would work out faster than Ikarios, and I only require 
payment in fake monopoly® bills ... ;-)

Don't you have a LUG in your area ?

Tom


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[elijah r.]

Debian Etch ISO images are available for download, completely free,
via the internet, just like those Fedora ISO's you are downloading.

I highly recommend you get the single Debian NetInstall ISO.  Since
you are using a Dial-Up connection, this will be the fastest way to
install Debian.

On a side note, what kinds of problems were you running into when
installing other distros?

I had problems installing most distros on a computer I built that was
using a motherboard with a VIA C3 processor, which is missing the
"CMOV" instruction that some 686 binaries are compiled with.

Cheers,
Elijah

>> >The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants
>> >payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte
>> >Bleue.
>> >
>> >I'm currently downloading 6 iso's for Fedora 9 on dialup, and am not too
>> >bothered about the time it takes.
>> >
>> >All my current Debian Installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, were installed
>> > using my Woody 3.0r2 disks. I have a new machine, and don't want to go
>> > through the hassle of upgrading Woody to Sarge, then Etch, along with the
>> > transition to xorg again.
>> >
>> >Could someone kindly point me to where I can get the base install for
>> > Etch, including KDE. I don't mind downloading 4 or 5 iso's if this is
>> > necessary.
>> >
>> >Many thanks for any help with this problem.
>>
>> Do you know ikarios ?
>>
>> http://www.ikarios.com/p374-Debian.html
>>
>> hth.
>> --
>> Gérard
>
> Well Ikarios have what I want, but only will accept payment by chéque
> bancaire, and I can't use my carte bleue for paying online.
>
> This is incredible in the 21st century. I have to write out a cheque, get on
> my bike, and ride 20 mins to the post office, perhaps stand in a queue for 20
> mins to buy a stamp (un timbre), then post it. 10 days later I may receive my
> Debian disks.
>
> I give up.
>
> I have built a new machine, and have had problems with installing Fedfora 8,
> Archlinux, and Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (7.10). Having got these distro's
> installed, I want to get Debian Etch installed. I only have Woody 3.0.r2
> discs, and don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading to Sarge, then
> Etch, along with the transition from xfree86 to xorg again.
>
> Oh to hell with Debian. I have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny on another machine, and
> really wanted to see if there were problems installing Etch on my new
> machine, where I've had problems installing other distros.
>
> N.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Arthur A]

I give up.

Oh to hell with Debian.

> 

N.


Problem solved.


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 21 July 2008 22:50, Gerard Robin wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:17:39PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> >From: Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Problems getting Etch in France
> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
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> >
> >The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants
> >payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte
> >Bleue.
> >
> >I'm currently downloading 6 iso's for Fedora 9 on dialup, and am not too
> >bothered about the time it takes.
> >
> >All my current Debian Installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, were installed
> > using my Woody 3.0r2 disks. I have a new machine, and don't want to go
> > through the hassle of upgrading Woody to Sarge, then Etch, along with the
> > transition to xorg again.
> >
> >Could someone kindly point me to where I can get the base install for
> > Etch, including KDE. I don't mind downloading 4 or 5 iso's if this is
> > necessary.
> >
> >Many thanks for any help with this problem.
>
> Do you know ikarios ?
>
> http://www.ikarios.com/p374-Debian.html
>
> hth.
> --
> Gérard

Well Ikarios have what I want, but only will accept payment by chéque 
bancaire, and I can't use my carte bleue for paying online.

This is incredible in the 21st century. I have to write out a cheque, get on 
my bike, and ride 20 mins to the post office, perhaps stand in a queue for 20 
mins to buy a stamp (un timbre), then post it. 10 days later I may receive my 
Debian disks. 

I give up.

I have built a new machine, and have had problems with installing Fedfora 8, 
Archlinux, and Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (7.10). Having got these distro's 
installed, I want to get Debian Etch installed. I only have Woody 3.0.r2 
discs, and don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading to Sarge, then 
Etch, along with the transition from xfree86 to xorg again.

Oh to hell with Debian. I have Sarge, Etch, and Lenny on another machine, and 
really wanted to see if there were problems installing Etch on my new 
machine, where I've had problems installing other distros.

N.







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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Jerome BENOIT]

netinstall is a good alternative !

Mumia W.. wrote:

On 07/21/2008 03:17 PM, Nigel Henry wrote:
The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, 
wants payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local 
banks Carte Bleue.

[...]


So get a paypal account.

Anyway, you only need the first CD-ROM of Debian to install the O/S. 
Jigdo is the preferred way to do this: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/










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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[John Hasler]

Mumia writes:
> So get a paypal account.

Many people are unwilling to do that.

> Anyway, you only need the first CD-ROM of Debian to install the O/S.

Actually you only need the much smaller netinst CD-ROM.  Google for it.
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Mumia W..]

On 07/21/2008 03:17 PM, Nigel Henry wrote:
The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants 
payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte 
Bleue.

[...]


So get a paypal account.

Anyway, you only need the first CD-ROM of Debian to install the O/S. 
Jigdo is the preferred way to do this: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/








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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:17:39PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:

...

> 
> Could someone kindly point me to where I can get the base install for Etch, 
> including KDE. I don't mind downloading 4 or 5 iso's if this is necessary.

if you don't mind all the downloading, why don't you just download and
install the netinstall iso? That will give you a minimal system that
can be then be expanded through the regular apt system. 

A


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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Gerard Robin]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:17:39PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:

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Subject: Problems getting Etch in France
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The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants 
payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte 
Bleue.


I'm currently downloading 6 iso's for Fedora 9 on dialup, and am not too 
bothered about the time it takes.


All my current Debian Installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, were installed using 
my Woody 3.0r2 disks. I have a new machine, and don't want to go through the 
hassle of upgrading Woody to Sarge, then Etch, along with the transition to 
xorg again.


Could someone kindly point me to where I can get the base install for Etch, 
including KDE. I don't mind downloading 4 or 5 iso's if this is necessary.


Many thanks for any help with this problem.

Do you know ikarios ?

http://www.ikarios.com/p374-Debian.html

hth.
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Re: Problems getting Etch in France

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,21.Jul.08, 22:17:39, Nigel Henry wrote:
> The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants 
> payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte 
> Bleue.
> 
> I'm currently downloading 6 iso's for Fedora 9 on dialup, and am not too 
> bothered about the time it takes.
> 
> All my current Debian Installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, were installed using 
> my Woody 3.0r2 disks. I have a new machine, and don't want to go through the 
> hassle of upgrading Woody to Sarge, then Etch, along with the transition to 
> xorg again.
> 
> Could someone kindly point me to where I can get the base install for Etch, 
> including KDE. I don't mind downloading 4 or 5 iso's if this is necessary.
 
http://cdimage.debian.org ;)

You should read the FAQ first

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq

Regards,
Andrei
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Problems getting Etch in France

[Nigel Henry]

The only place I can find in France that has Etch DVD's available, wants 
payment via paypal, and Visa. I have neither, only my local banks Carte 
Bleue.

I'm currently downloading 6 iso's for Fedora 9 on dialup, and am not too 
bothered about the time it takes.

All my current Debian Installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, were installed using 
my Woody 3.0r2 disks. I have a new machine, and don't want to go through the 
hassle of upgrading Woody to Sarge, then Etch, along with the transition to 
xorg again.

Could someone kindly point me to where I can get the base install for Etch, 
including KDE. I don't mind downloading 4 or 5 iso's if this is necessary.

Many thanks for any help with this problem.

Nigel.


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