Quantum Fireball EIDE uncooperative
Greetings. So I'm running 1.2.x of Debian, 2.0.27 kernel, and my machine (PPro 200, Tyan 1668 ATX DP MB with 1 installed, very recent Award bios, 64M Ram, and this [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quantum EIDE Fireball drive on MB EIDE controller) was up for about 45 days, until Monday night. It was pretty hot, and when I got home from work, the drive was HOT and was basically not functioning (ie Linux crashed when I tried to type pon). Reset gave me Primary Hard Drive fail I have a TEAC 12x EIDE CDROM drive on the slave, and it would occasionally also not be recognized. Rescue disk, came up with the minimal kernel, ran e2fsck on /dev/hda1 (root on the fireball) and it fixed a few errors. I mounted it, everything looked okay, rebooted the machine, and we were golden. Fearing another hot day (I need an air conditioner, what can I say), I shut it down until just now. Same deal with the drive (except no damage this time). Failed to be recognized, boot from rescue, e2fsck reports clean, mount it and all is well, reboot without rescue, everything is fine. What is the likely cause for this? Bad EIDE controller on board? Hard drive damaged from heat? Other? I should point out that during boot, the hard drive spins up, green light looking normal, then spins down with the green light blinking slowly and non-stop. I am not familiar enough with hard drive fails to know exactly what this means. I should point out that the CDROM mounts fine as I type this. I have power management off, I skip the memory test, and this was not happening 45 days ago when I had last rebooted the machine. This got much longer than I had hoped, sorry. Thanks for any wisdom! -dh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quantum Fireball EIDE uncooperative
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dan Hugo wrote: I should point out that during boot, the hard drive spins up, green light looking normal, then spins down with the green light blinking slowly and non-stop. I am not familiar enough with hard drive fails to know exactly what this means. I've seen things like this on older SCSI disks, the disk thinks something is wrong enough for it to abort it's powerup. If you went out of it's rated heat range then your toast, otherwise I'd phone up quantum and hope it's on warrenty. If your PC got hot enought to cause the disk to have problems I'd worry about other components too.. Probably took a year off it's life! I know my 2G fireball doesn't get very hot while running.. Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dan Hugo wrote: I should point out that during boot, the hard drive spins up, green light looking normal, then spins down with the green light blinking slowly and non-stop. I am not familiar enough with hard drive fails to know exactly what this means. I've seen things like this on older SCSI disks, the disk thinks something is wrong enough for it to abort it's powerup. If you went out of it's rated heat range then your toast, otherwise I'd phone up quantum and hope it's on warrenty. I got is a few months ago... less than 6. The thing is, it spins up later... If your PC got hot enought to cause the disk to have problems I'd worry about other components too.. Probably took a year off it's life! I know my 2G fireball doesn't get very hot while running.. I have a 3.2G, if that is useful. The rest of the system was fine (ie ran off the rescue disk, and was not particularly warm to the touch anywhere, and the power supply was also pretty cool), and the machine had been up on other such hot days... I just happened to check the drive thinking heat might be the problem. I guess HOT should be taken as a relative term... I mean, I touched a bare powerpc running at 300 MHz, and that was much hotter. Let's say the drive was very warm, but still spun up on my next attempt to boot (then spun down again with the blinking green light). Drive spin-up delay out-of-whack at boot time? Any other guesses? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dan Hugo wrote: Any other guesses? Maybe it has nothing to do with the heat, just a defective disk? Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quantum Fireball EIDE uncooperative
Jason, I have Seagate and Quantum scsi disks, ~1G each. One of them, I'm pretty sure it's the Quantum, spins up then down again during disk/scsi identification. I don't consider it defective--I'm assuming that the driver is exercising capabilities that the disk has. It spins up again a bit later and stays spinning. Some of my disks also get pretty hot but I've often run them for weeks at a time. The times I noticed what I considered to be *hot* I'd been running without the cover on my box so I figured proper air flow wasn't being observed. I've seen the same disks spin continiously for hundreds of days in Sun workstations. -emk Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:30:02 -0700 From: Dan Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Users debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Quantum Fireball EIDE uncooperative Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dan Hugo wrote: I should point out that during boot, the hard drive spins up, green light looking normal, then spins down with the green light blinking slowly and non-stop. I am not familiar enough with hard drive fails to know exactly what this means. I've seen things like this on older SCSI disks, the disk thinks something is wrong enough for it to abort it's powerup. If you went out of it's rated heat range then your toast, otherwise I'd phone up quantum and hope it's on warrenty. I got is a few months ago... less than 6. The thing is, it spins up later... If your PC got hot enought to cause the disk to have problems I'd worry about other components too.. Probably took a year off it's life! I know my 2G fireball doesn't get very hot while running.. I have a 3.2G, if that is useful. The rest of the system was fine (ie ran off the rescue disk, and was not particularly warm to the touch anywhere, and the power supply was also pretty cool), and the machine had been up on other such hot days... I just happened to check the drive thinking heat might be the problem. I guess HOT should be taken as a relative term... I mean, I touched a bare powerpc running at 300 MHz, and that was much hotter. Let's say the drive was very warm, but still spun up on my next attempt to boot (then spun down again with the blinking green light). Drive spin-up delay out-of-whack at boot time? Any other guesses? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Edward McKnight wrote: Jason, I have Seagate and Quantum scsi disks, ~1G each. One of them, I'm pretty sure it's the Quantum, spins up then down again during disk/scsi identification. I don't consider it defective--I'm assuming that the driver is exercising capabilities that the disk has. It spins up again a bit later and stays spinning. Hm, I haven't heard that with the DEC or Quantum SCSI disks we have at work, AHA controllers. Quite possibly though the controller might want to see if the disk can do a sleep mode. I wouldn't expect this from an IDE though. Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quantum Fireball EIDE uncooperative
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Edward McKnight wrote: Jason, I have Seagate and Quantum scsi disks, ~1G each. One of them, I'm pretty sure it's the Quantum, spins up then down again during disk/scsi identification. I don't consider it defective--I'm assuming that the driver is exercising capabilities that the disk has. It spins up again a bit later and stays spinning. Hm, I haven't heard that with the DEC or Quantum SCSI disks we have at work, AHA controllers. Quite possibly though the controller might want to see if the disk can do a sleep mode. I wouldn't expect this from an IDE though. That's why I made sure the power management stuff was off in the bios setup... I was hoping it was some sort of power management thing going on. I recall, a long time ago, some Quantum drives shipped in Macintosh computers suffered a mass case of sticktion (is that the correct spelling?) where the drive would have to be pounded to start it up. I've heard other cases since then... but this is different, since it spins up initially and then spins down. So, if there are no known BIOS or drive tricks going on, I should be suspicious of the drive, I guess. -dh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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On Wed, Jun 18, 1997 at 09:30:02PM -0700, Dan Hugo wrote: I know my 2G fireball doesn't get very hot while running.. I have a 3.2G, if that is useful. The rest of the system was fine (ie ran off the rescue disk, and was not particularly warm to the touch anywhere, and the power supply was also pretty cool), and the machine had been up on other such hot days... I just happened to check the drive thinking heat might be the problem. I guess HOT should be taken as a relative term... I mean, I touched a bare powerpc running at 300 MHz, and that was much hotter. Let's say the drive was very warm, but still spun up on my next attempt to boot (then spun down again with the blinking green light). I have a 3.2Gb Fireball as well, and it does run pretty hot. Right now it's winter here, about 13C max, the PC has been on all day, and the drive is just warm, and it's jammed in between a floppy drive and another hard drive. Back in January [Summer here] we had five days in a row 38C, and the hard drive was barely touchable due to the heat. The ambient heat was enough to keep it really hot. That said, I never had any actual problems like this with it. How hot is it there? In that weather, just the heat out of the power supply is enough to keep things quite warm. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust[EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [ ] 47% The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Bohr -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 1997 at 09:30:02PM -0700, Dan Hugo wrote: I know my 2G fireball doesn't get very hot while running.. I have a 3.2G, if that is useful. The rest of the system was fine (ie ran off the rescue disk, and was not particularly warm to the touch anywhere, and the power supply was also pretty cool), and the machine had been up on other such hot days... I just happened to check the drive thinking heat might be the problem. I guess HOT should be taken as a relative term... I mean, I touched a bare powerpc running at 300 MHz, and that was much hotter. Let's say the drive was very warm, but still spun up on my next attempt to boot (then spun down again with the blinking green light). I have a 3.2Gb Fireball as well, and it does run pretty hot. Right now it's winter here, about 13C max, the PC has been on all day, and the drive is just warm, and it's jammed in between a floppy drive and another hard drive. Back in January [Summer here] we had five days in a row 38C, and the hard drive was barely touchable due to the heat. The ambient heat was enough to keep it really hot. That said, I never had any actual problems like this with it. How hot is it there? It was about 90f (32c? I'm a bit rusty with the units), maybe a little hotter on that particular day, but it has been even hotter than that with no apparent problems. I guess I need to figure out (this would be the point where readers could chime in) what would cause the drive to simply stop (I'm pretty sure it just wasn't spinning anymore) and then be un-mountable from a power cycle or even from a hard reset, but mountable after booting from a floppy. I think I have resigned myself to leaving the thing spinning for now and calling up the place where I got it, and/or quantum. -dh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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I'd warranty the drive - it sounds like you have a future paperweight. flame I personally can't stand Quantum drives - I perceive them to be unreliable. This is a personal opinion of course :) /flame -- Nathan Norman:Hostmaster CFNI:[EMAIL PROTECTED] finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key and other stuff Key fingerprint = CE 03 10 AF 32 81 18 58 9D 32 C2 AB 93 6D C4 72 -- On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dan Hugo wrote: :Jason Gunthorpe wrote: : : On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dan Hugo wrote: : : I should point out that during boot, the hard drive spins up, green : light looking normal, then spins down with the green light blinking : slowly and non-stop. I am not familiar enough with hard drive fails to : know exactly what this means. : : I've seen things like this on older SCSI disks, the disk thinks something : is wrong enough for it to abort it's powerup. If you went out of it's : rated heat range then your toast, otherwise I'd phone up quantum and hope : it's on warrenty. : :I got is a few months ago... less than 6. The thing is, it spins up :later... : : If your PC got hot enought to cause the disk to have problems I'd worry : about other components too.. Probably took a year off it's life! : : I know my 2G fireball doesn't get very hot while running.. : :I have a 3.2G, if that is useful. The rest of the system was fine (ie :ran off the rescue disk, and was not particularly warm to the touch :anywhere, and the power supply was also pretty cool), and the machine :had been up on other such hot days... I just happened to check the drive :thinking heat might be the problem. I guess HOT should be taken as a :relative term... I mean, I touched a bare powerpc running at 300 MHz, :and that was much hotter. Let's say the drive was very warm, but still :spun up on my next attempt to boot (then spun down again with the :blinking green light). : :Drive spin-up delay out-of-whack at boot time? : :Any other guesses? : : :-- :TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to :[EMAIL PROTECTED] . :Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . : -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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touchable due to the heat. The ambient heat was enough to keep it really hot. That said, I never had any actual problems like this with it. How hot is it there? In that weather, just the heat out of the power supply is enough to keep things quite warm. I bought one of these little fan thingies that they sell at a local store. It replaces one of the 5-1/4 cover plates on the front of the computer with a new plate that has two fans. It has a plug that operates off of disk drive power. This blows air directly over my hard disk and hopefully extend the drive life. I know from my work that higher temperatures shorten the life of electrolytic capacitors dramaticly. Keeping it a few degrees cooler can mean the difference between a 10yr life expectancy and a 3yr life expectancy for most electronic devices. George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quantum Fireball EIDE uncooperative
Dan Hugo wrote: [ quantum fireball overheated ] I've an older fireball that did the same thing: overheat and pack up. I ended up putting a spare PS fan in the box (full towers have their pluses :) to cool it down -- that fixed it. (Spinning it down with hdparm also fixed it in linux; unfortunately it's my dos drive...) ... What is the likely cause for this? Quantum is the likely cause. In my case 2 WD drives directly above the fireball work just fine -- so it's not room temperature or air flow inside the box -- Quantum drives are s**tty, that's all. -- Dimitri -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
