Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue,29.Jul.08, 20:17:52, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:39:58 +0300 > Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > > I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow > > sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't > > want to use that address). > > I just posted about this, several minutes ago, on the Debian Exim list: > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-users/2008-July/001440.html I can answer the second question: gmail doesn't care what you use in From and Envelope-From because it will rewrite it to your gmail address. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:32:54PM -0400, Telemachus wrote: > On Mon Jul 28 2008 @ 8:48, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:33:36 -0400 > > Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Telemachus, > > > > > that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and > > > > That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a thread, > > checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the message being > > deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested M-ID: which is > > unique. > > You are absolutely right. I was hand-waving rather than giving a proper > solution. To really do it right, given Arvind's specific requests (keep the > sent copy, wait for the mail to be received, then clean the corresponding > copy from the Sent folder) really is more complicated than it seems at > first. Sorry if I was glib. > > I don't believe that Mutt by itself can do what you described. It sounds > more to me like a multi-part problem: > > (1) Have procmail scan for messages that are from Arvind himself & to this > user list. > (2) When such a mail is found, execute a script (let's go with Perl). > (3) The Perl script receives the ID from procmail (maybe as an argument?), > then it runs through the mails in the Sent folder. If it finds a matching > ID on a mail, it deletes that item. > > I'll be curious to know if anyone has a way to do this just with Mutt, but > it strikes me that Mutt doesn't have "received-hooks" quite like what this > would need. That is why procmail has formail and maildrop has reformail. -- Chris. == "One, with God, is always a majority, but many a martyr has been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted." -- Thomas B. Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:39:58 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow > sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't > want to use that address). I just posted about this, several minutes ago, on the Debian Exim list: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-users/2008-July/001440.html > Andrei Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:58:58PM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc > > lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bob, According to the mutt docs you don't need the "subscribe" *and* the "lists" command, i.e.: More precisely, Mutt maintains lists of patterns for the addresses of known and subscribed mailing lists. Every subscribed mailing list is known. To mark a mailing list as known, use the ``lists'' command. To mark it as subscribed, use ``subscribe''. I suppose it doesn't really matter but it keeps your .muttrc a bit leaner. :-) -- Chris. == "One, with God, is always a majority, but many a martyr has been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted." -- Thomas B. Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
Le lundi 28 juillet 2008, Arvind Marathe a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:33:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:27:33, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of > > > your own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you > > > have a hook) and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know > > > Andrei does not have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy > > > for him but what about the others?) > > > > Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different > > address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? > > Perhaps i was not clear. When i write a mail to d-u, (say this mail > for example), the copy obviously gets stored in "sent-mail" by > default. After some time, i get another copy of the same mail, since > i am subscribed to d-u. (In your case, gmail does not send you copies > of your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies > of my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > Arvind > > -- > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. No automatic settings. I usually delete sent mail from time to time. And I usually regrets some days after to have deleted all mails and not only the oldest. Thomas Preud'homme -- Why Debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:32:54 -0400 Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Telemachus, > On Mon Jul 28 2008 @ 8:48, Brad Rogers wrote: > > That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a > > thread, checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the > > message being deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested > > M-ID: which is unique. > You are absolutely right. I was hand-waving rather than giving a > proper solution. To really do it right, given Arvind's specific Sorry, I mis-interpreted your intention. > I don't believe that Mutt by itself can do what you described. It I don't think any of them could, can they? Although some would get darned close. > sounds more to me like a multi-part problem: Indeed. Sadly, my scripting ability is nowhere near good enough to write the necessary "magic". > (Apologies if this is sent twice; my email froze up and died the > first time I tried to send.) So far, not to the list, just the one, plus the Cc: to me. I'm never entirely sure why people do that. I mean, I'm subbed to the list, so why the need for a copy? I'm not complaining, I'm just curious as to why people do it, since I don't set a Reply-To: header with my addy in. If anyone feels like answering that last bit, I suggest it's done off-list since it's not a Debian issue at all. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" It's becoming an obsession Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon Jul 28 2008 @ 8:48, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:33:36 -0400 > Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Telemachus, > > > that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and > > That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a thread, > checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the message being > deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested M-ID: which is > unique. You are absolutely right. I was hand-waving rather than giving a proper solution. To really do it right, given Arvind's specific requests (keep the sent copy, wait for the mail to be received, then clean the corresponding copy from the Sent folder) really is more complicated than it seems at first. Sorry if I was glib. I don't believe that Mutt by itself can do what you described. It sounds more to me like a multi-part problem: (1) Have procmail scan for messages that are from Arvind himself & to this user list. (2) When such a mail is found, execute a script (let's go with Perl). (3) The Perl script receives the ID from procmail (maybe as an argument?), then it runs through the mails in the Sent folder. If it finds a matching ID on a mail, it deletes that item. I'll be curious to know if anyone has a way to do this just with Mutt, but it strikes me that Mutt doesn't have "received-hooks" quite like what this would need. T (Apologies if this is sent twice; my email froze up and died the first time I tried to send.) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:33:36 -0400 Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Telemachus, > that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and That could be risky; If Arvind writes multiple messages in a thread, checking Subject alone is insufficient to be sure the message being deleted is the correct one. That's why I suggested M-ID: which is unique. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - The Buzzcocks signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue Jul 29 2008 @ 12:17, Arvind Marathe wrote: > I would prefer to save the copy echoed by d-u, and delete the one > saved as "sent-mail". The copy echoed by d-u would have the list > headers, so if i ever use some search criteria using list headers, my > mails would also be detected. As i said in my previous mail, to be on > the safer side, maybe one should delete the copy only after receiving > the d-u copy. Andrei's method with the send-hook would work if you don't want a copy saved when you mail to debian-user. However, if you want the copy saved, & then deleted, but only after you receive the copy from the mailing list, that's more complicated. That will require a script, I think, or to make it even more complicated, you can set up procmail so that when it sees a message from you to debian-user it runs a script (Bash, Perl, whatever) that looks for a mail with the same title in your sent folder and deletes it. This is sounding more complicated than it's worth. :) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:17:25 +0530 Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Arvind, > I would prefer to save the copy echoed by d-u, and delete the one > saved as "sent-mail". The copy echoed by d-u would have the list I don't know anything about Mutt's capabilities for this sort of thing, but how about using the criteria I suggested to locate the incoming copy from d-u, then grabbing the Message-Id: from it and scanning the messages in sent-mail for a match, and deleting the relevant mail, when found. > headers, so if i ever use some search criteria using list headers, my > mails would also be detected. As i said in my previous mail, to be on > the safer side, maybe one should delete the copy only after receiving > the d-u copy. So I read, but only after I sent my post. :-* -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Loaded like a freight train flyin' like an aeroplane Nightrain - Guns 'N' Roses signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 06:40:50PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:45:54 +0530 > Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Arvind, > > > your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies of > > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > Some ML software (Mailman, for example) allows you to set whether or > not you receive copies of your own posts. Unfortunately, d-u doesn't > appear to be run on such software so you'll have to work out a method > of quietly deleting copies of your posts to d-u when they get echoed > back to you. Some sort of filter(0) that matches From & > To , for example. I would prefer to save the copy echoed by d-u, and delete the one saved as "sent-mail". The copy echoed by d-u would have the list headers, so if i ever use some search criteria using list headers, my mails would also be detected. As i said in my previous mail, to be on the safer side, maybe one should delete the copy only after receiving the d-u copy. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 23:50:39 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:24:18PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:45:54, Arvind Marathe wrote: > [...snip...] > > > I don't see the point in having two copies of > > > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > > > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > > > I think 'unset copy' in your muttrc will do what you want. Personally I > > don't mind having another copy in the sent folder. > > Thanks - will investigate. I was under the impression it does not save > copy of any email i sent. I was thinking more in terms of auto-deleting > mails sent specifically to mailing lists, i am subscribed to - some > sort of hook. Or more sophisticatedly, deleting the sent-mail copy, > once the mailing list copy arrives. One thing i can think of is to > save the "sent-mail" copy in the debian-user folder and write a script > to do a periodic 'D ~='. Will try it sometime, unless somebody has a > better suggestion. Depending on what sort of threading you use, it seems to make sense to see your own posts in context in the thread. folder-hook "debian-user" set sort=threads -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:45:54 +0530 Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Arvind, > your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies of > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. Some ML software (Mailman, for example) allows you to set whether or not you receive copies of your own posts. Unfortunately, d-u doesn't appear to be run on such software so you'll have to work out a method of quietly deleting copies of your posts to d-u when they get echoed back to you. Some sort of filter(0) that matches From & To , for example. (0) That's what they're called in Claws-Mail, I don't know whether Mutt uses the same terminology. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Keep your drink just give em the money U & Ur Hand - Pink signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:24:18PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:45:54, Arvind Marathe wrote: [...snip...] > > I don't see the point in having two copies of > > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. > > I think 'unset copy' in your muttrc will do what you want. Personally I > don't mind having another copy in the sent folder. Thanks - will investigate. I was under the impression it does not save copy of any email i sent. I was thinking more in terms of auto-deleting mails sent specifically to mailing lists, i am subscribed to - some sort of hook. Or more sophisticatedly, deleting the sent-mail copy, once the mailing list copy arrives. One thing i can think of is to save the "sent-mail" copy in the debian-user folder and write a script to do a periodic 'D ~='. Will try it sometime, unless somebody has a better suggestion. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:45:54, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different > > address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? > > Perhaps i was not clear. When i write a mail to d-u, (say this mail > for example), the copy obviously gets stored in "sent-mail" by > default. After some time, i get another copy of the same mail, since i > am subscribed to d-u. (In your case, gmail does not send you copies of > your own mails to d-u). But my gmail address is *not subscribed* to this list. I have *another* address where I receive all list mail. > I don't see the point in having two copies of > my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special > settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. I think 'unset copy' in your muttrc will do what you want. Personally I don't mind having another copy in the sent folder. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:33:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:27:33, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of your > > own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you have a hook) > > and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know Andrei does not > > have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy for him but what > > about the others?) > > Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different > address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? Perhaps i was not clear. When i write a mail to d-u, (say this mail for example), the copy obviously gets stored in "sent-mail" by default. After some time, i get another copy of the same mail, since i am subscribed to d-u. (In your case, gmail does not send you copies of your own mails to d-u). I don't see the point in having two copies of my own mail, so i was asking whether other users do any special settings, so that one mail is automatically deleted. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 22:27:33, Arvind Marathe wrote: > While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of your > own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you have a hook) > and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know Andrei does not > have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy for him but what > about the others?) Actually I do have two (because I am subscribed with a different address), I just don't do anything about it. Why should I? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:31:20PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as > > > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > > > something that you did :) > > > > The education continues ;) > > Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs. > > > Well i had > > my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should > > disappear now. > > It did. > > > Anything else? :) > > Well, there is... just kidding :) > > I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with > the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane > defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to > make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there > are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of > comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is > good for. I too try to stick with the defaults mostly. I didn't have any my_hdr Rely-to: before. Two days back, when i tried to configure gmail in mutt, along with my workplace email id, i tried to cook up two profiles - some online helpfile had these header, so i added it. Also IIRC, some online help had instruction to 'tell' mutt about the mailing lists, hence i added the mailing-lists file and sourced it in .muttrc. While i am at it, what do you guys do when you have two copies of your own mail, one in your sent-mail (or another folder, if you have a hook) and another sent to you by the mailing list? (I know Andrei does not have to worry about that, gmail removes one copy for him but what about the others?) Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:28:40AM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > > > >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with > >> this > >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't > >> so > >> you made the good manipulation. > >> > > > > Thanks :-) > > While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The > date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the > future. :-) I am aware of that. Long back, i tried to change that using tzselect and found that the 'Asia/Kolkata' timezone, which i ought to use, is ~30 min in the future. I tested it again right now, and the problem persists. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
The Monday 28 July 2008 16:31:20 Andrei Popescu, you wrote : > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it > > > as a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > > > something that you did :) > > > > The education continues ;) > > Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs. > > > Well i had > > my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should > > disappear now. > > It did. > > > Anything else? :) > > Well, there is... just kidding :) > > I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with > the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane > defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to > make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there > are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of > comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is > good for. > > Regards, > Andrei I do exactly the opposite when I know what I want because defaults can change. When I don't know for an option I let the default set but when I do want one behaviour and not another I set the option even if it's already the default value. Regards -- Thomas Preud'homme Why debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 11:28:40, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > > > >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with > >> this > >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't > >> so > >> you made the good manipulation. > >> > > > > Thanks :-) > > While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The > date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the > future. :-) Heh, I missed that one :P Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:22:36, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > > > > > No. > > > > Well, this explains it all :) gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it > > lets you have it. > > > > Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not > > receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for > > sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail > > address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'. > > I think i understand what you are saying. Just for curiosity, would > there be any advantage for me in having gmail for sending mail? I use > a desktop, not a laptop, which will always be sitting at my workplace. > I have configured exim right now to use my departments mail server as > smarthost for outgoing mail. That works both for my gmail and my > workplace mail. I don't know whether one can configure separate > outgoing hosts for different profiles in mutt, and as i said above, > whether there would be any advantage in doing that, in my case. I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't want to use that address). For receiving I switched to my ISP's server because it was faster than gmail. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as > > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > > something that you did :) > > The education continues ;) Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs. > Well i had > my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should > disappear now. It did. > Anything else? :) Well, there is... just kidding :) I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is good for. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so >> you made the good manipulation. >> > > Thanks :-) While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the future. :-) -- If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. -- Linus Torvalds Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: > The Monday 28 July 2008 15:45:56 Arvind Marathe, you wrote : > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > > line in your headers: > > > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > Arvind > > > > -- > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this > email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so > you made the good manipulation. Thanks :-) -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:58:58PM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 19:15:56 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > > line in your headers: > > > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Yes, that has fixed it. > > As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc > > lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > but no separate mailing-lists file. Hmm. So why does sourcing a mailing-lists file with only the first line above cause mutt to add the Mail-Followup-To header? There is nothing else in my .muttrc that seems relevant for this. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 14:58:58, Bob Cox wrote: > As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc > > lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > but no separate mailing-lists file. That's irrelevant: $ ls .mutt/*muttrc alias_muttrc bind_muttrc color_muttrc folders_muttrc muttrc You can have as many files as you like and with whatever name (I'm using _muttrc scheme in order to take advantage on vim's syntax) as long as you 'source' them in either ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/muttrc: $ grep source .mutt/muttrc source ~/.mutt/folders_muttrc source ~/.mutt/bind_muttrc source ~/.mutt/alias_muttrc source ~/.mutt/color_muttrc This is useful if your muttrc is getting big: $ grep -v '^$\|^#' .mutt/*muttrc | wc -l 98 Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:01:19PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:46:47, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > > > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > > > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > > > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > > > No. > > Well, this explains it all :) gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it > lets you have it. > > Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not > receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for > sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail > address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'. I think i understand what you are saying. Just for curiosity, would there be any advantage for me in having gmail for sending mail? I use a desktop, not a laptop, which will always be sitting at my workplace. I have configured exim right now to use my departments mail server as smarthost for outgoing mail. That works both for my gmail and my workplace mail. I don't know whether one can configure separate outgoing hosts for different profiles in mutt, and as i said above, whether there would be any advantage in doing that, in my case. > > I think (haven't tested) it might be possible to trick gmail by deleting > all trace of the sent message before it returns via the list. Whether > this is feasible or even possible (they might have a database with > mail-ids) I don't know. In my case, perhaps the current situation is desirable. I get my own mail as part of the mailing list thread (ofcourse that happens even when i send through the web interface, only when i send through mutt, it saves no copy in gmail's sent-mail), and the mail also gets through getmail into my local machine. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:39:55PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:15:56, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > > line in your headers: > > > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be > something that you did :) The education continues ;) Well i had my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should disappear now. Anything else? :) Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:46:47, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > No. Well, this explains it all :) gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it lets you have it. Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'. I think (haven't tested) it might be possible to trick gmail by deleting all trace of the sent message before it returns via the list. Whether this is feasible or even possible (they might have a database with mail-ids) I don't know. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 19:15:56 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > line in your headers: > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. Yes, that has fixed it. As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] but no separate mailing-lists file. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
The Monday 28 July 2008 15:45:56 Arvind Marathe, you wrote : > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > line in your headers: > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Arvind > > -- > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so you made the good manipulation. Regards -- Thomas Preud'homme Why debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 01:03:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:58:28, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? No. > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to > > correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread > > "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam" > > ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems > > of my spam filter. > > This has nothing to do with your spam filter. Check the settings in your > .muttrc (see my other mail as well). Corrected (I hope). See my other mail. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:15:56, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > > > No i'm not. > > > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > > line in your headers: > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be something that you did :) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > > > No i'm not. > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this > line in your headers: > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > debian-user@lists.debian.org Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user". I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line, and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > No i'm not. You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this line in your headers: Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org I have manually cancelled the cc in this posting. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:58:28, Arvind Marathe wrote: > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending? > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? > > No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to > correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread > "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam" > ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems > of my spam filter. This has nothing to do with your spam filter. Check the settings in your .muttrc (see my other mail as well). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:07:31, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] > > > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > > > > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > > > > > I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc > > > (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how > > > often you pull the mail from gmail. > > > > > > I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. > > > > Also i hope you realised exactly why i said "No" to the list-header > > question in my first reply. I saw your mail, checked the headers for > > that mail. It had my id as "cc", so did not have the list headers. So > > i replied "No". Next i checked few other mails and found that mails > > that did not have my address as "cc" did have the list headers. Hence > > my second reply above. > > I'm still not 100% sure you understood what I was asking. What I would > like to know is if you receive *your own postings* and if these postings > have the mailing list headers. Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers. > > Regards, > Andrei > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam" ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems of my spam filter. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:07:31, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > > > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > > > I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc > > (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how > > often you pull the mail from gmail. > > > > I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. > > Also i hope you realised exactly why i said "No" to the list-header > question in my first reply. I saw your mail, checked the headers for > that mail. It had my id as "cc", so did not have the list headers. So > i replied "No". Next i checked few other mails and found that mails > that did not have my address as "cc" did have the list headers. Hence > my second reply above. I'm still not 100% sure you understood what I was asking. What I would like to know is if you receive *your own postings* and if these postings have the mailing list headers. Regards, Andrei P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post? -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > > > No. > > > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc > (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how > often you pull the mail from gmail. > > I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. Also i hope you realised exactly why i said "No" to the list-header question in my first reply. I saw your mail, checked the headers for that mail. It had my id as "cc", so did not have the list headers. So i replied "No". Next i checked few other mails and found that mails that did not have my address as "cc" did have the list headers. Hence my second reply above. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:37:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> [Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To]
>
> On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote:
>
> > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else.
> > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers.
>
> I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc
> (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how
> often you pull the mail from gmail.
Here is the entire file. Nothing is changed except the password.
[retriever]
type = SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever
server = imap.gmail.com
username = bahuroopi
password = mypassword
move_on_delete = mail.deleted
mailboxes = ("INBOX", \
"Debian-users", \
"Mutt-users", \
"AMBER-users", \
"TeX-users",\
"TUGIndia")
[destination]
type = MDA_external
path = /usr/bin/procmail
arguments = ("-f", "%(sender)", "-m", "$HOME/.procmailrc")
I haven't specified "delete" or "delete_after", so it keeps it on the
server by default. Also i haven't specified "read_all", but my getmail
cron job runs as 'getmail -n', so it pulls only the new mail. The
getmail cron job runs every 10 minutes.
>
> I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first.
Do share it after testing.
Arvind
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Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
[Cc'd as per Reply-To *and* Mail-Followup-To] On Sun,27.Jul.08, 16:48:00, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > No. > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. I would be very interested on the [options] section in your getmailrc (actually only "read_all", "delete" and "delete_after") and also how often you pull the mail from gmail. I have a hunch on why it works, but I want to test my theory first. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 04:48:00PM +0530, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 04:42:19PM +0530, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:18:29AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to > > > > > > get > > > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > > > > > But i did get it. > > > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > > > No. > > Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. > Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. > > Arvind > I am a bit late to this thread...I have getmail, procmail, msmpt, mutt I have setup the pop in the gmail. This is what I have in getmail [options] verbose = 1 delete = false [retriever] type = SimplePOP3SSLRetriever server = pop.gmail.com username = [EMAIL PROTECTED] password = yourpassword port = 995 [destination] type = MDA_external path = /usr/bin/procmail unixfrom = True I have no problems getting my mail. Change the "delete=true" if you don't want to keep messages on gmail. -- Alexander J.M. Linux 2.6.18-6-686 i686 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 04:42:19PM +0530, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:18:29AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > > > But i did get it. > > > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? > > No. Sorry i was too fast in replying, because i was doing something else. Yes, the full header has the mailing list headers. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:18:29AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > But i did get it. > > Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? No. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:01:03AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > > > No, you won't > > > > But i did get it. > > That's strange. Maybe because you use IMAP? I will have to investigate. Yes, i have "type = SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever" in my getmailrc file. But i do not know if that is the cause for the difference in behaviour. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > No, you won't > > But i did get it. Does it have the mailing list headers (List-Id, List-Post, ...)? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:28:44, Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > > > No, you won't > > But i did get it. That's strange. Maybe because you use IMAP? I will have to investigate. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:28 +0530 "Arvind Marathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine > from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been Have you tried POP? > Arvind Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > > > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. > > No, you won't But i did get it. Arvind -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sun,27.Jul.08, 01:03:01, Arvind Marathe wrote: > ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to > be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get > as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder > if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. No, you won't Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:03:41AM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Arvind Marathe wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, > >>> > >> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite > >> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my > >> password was rejected. > >> > > > > I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine > > from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been > > using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long > > time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my > > getmailrc-gmail > > > > [retriever] > > type = SimpleIMAPRetriever > > server = imap.google.com > > username = bahuroopi > > > > Besides the server problem which you have already noted, the login > should be the full e-mail '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Doesn't seem to make a difference either way. Arvind ps: When i sent mail to d-u using gmail web interface, there used to be a copy in sent-mail, but i never got the copy i was supposed to get as a d-u subscriber. Now i am using mutt to send this mail, i wonder if i will get the copy of my own mail in my gmail box. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
Arvind Marathe wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: >> >> >>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, >>> >> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite >> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my >> password was rejected. >> > > I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine > from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been > using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long > time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my > getmailrc-gmail > > [retriever] > type = SimpleIMAPRetriever > server = imap.google.com > username = bahuroopi > Besides the server problem which you have already noted, the login should be the full e-mail '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. -- Mencken and Nathan's Fifteenth Law of The Average American: The worst actress in the company is always the manager's wife. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote:
>>
>>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface,
>>
>> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite
>> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my
>> password was rejected.
>
> I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine
> from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been
> using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long
> time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my
> getmailrc-gmail
>
> [retriever]
> type = SimpleIMAPRetriever
> server = imap.google.com
> username = bahuroopi
> password = mypassword
>
> [destination]
> type = MDA_external
> path = /usr/bin/procmail
> arguments = ("-f", "%(sender)", "-m", "$HOME/.procmailrc")
oops! It should have been "imap.gmail.com" and not "imap.google.com" -
sorry for the noise.
Arvind
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[OT] Setting up getmail to retrieve mails from gmail [Was: Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]]
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Andrei Popescu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote:
>
>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface,
>
> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite
> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my
> password was rejected.
I am trying to configure getmail to retrieve mails to my local machine
from my gmail account. I have enabled imap in gmail. Also i have been
using getmail to retrieve mail from my workplace account for a long
time, so i am sure getmail is working fine. Following is my
getmailrc-gmail
[retriever]
type = SimpleIMAPRetriever
server = imap.google.com
username = bahuroopi
password = mypassword
[destination]
type = MDA_external
path = /usr/bin/procmail
arguments = ("-f", "%(sender)", "-m", "$HOME/.procmailrc")
However i get the following error:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.getmail$ getmail -n -r getmailrc-gmail
getmail version 4.7.8
Copyright (C) 1998-2007 Charles Cazabon. Licensed under the GNU GPL version 2.
SimpleIMAPRetriever:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:143:
getmailrc-gmail: error resolving name ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
0 messages (0 bytes) retrieved, 0 skipped
If i change to SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever, i get the error:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.getmail$ getmail -n -r getmailrc-gmail
getmail version 4.7.8
Copyright (C) 1998-2007 Charles Cazabon. Licensed under the GNU GPL version 2.
SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:993:
getmailrc-gmail: error resolving name ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
0 messages (0 bytes) retrieved, 0 skipped
Any pointers appreciated.
TIA.
Arvind
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Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon July 21 2008, s. keeling wrote: > They're using tbird or mozilla to read mail. You expect them to read > Received: headers?!? well, I use Thunderbird on my laptop & kmail now. ALT-V-H-A says show headers ALL. I use that when I send spam to spamcop and other places.. then ALT-V-H-F for view-headers-fancy.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/21/08 19:59, s. keeling wrote: > Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:34:56 -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> wrote: >> >>> On 07/19/08 23:08, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:59:51 +0100 Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:55 -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > >> Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. > Well, I thought you would have worked it out from the headers ;-) > > I use Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk - although there several other UK ISPs > offering static IP, rDNS etc - http://aaisp.net/ and > http://www.ukfsn.org spring to mind. I'm confused; neither this message nor your previous one in this thread contains any header mentioning zen. >>> That's right. Straight from gaia.bobcox.net to liszt.debian.org. >> I'm sorry! But I thought you guys were geeks and could do the detective >> work ;-) > > They're using tbird or mozilla to read mail. You expect them to read > Received: headers?!? Sure. View->"Message Source" > I'm not much better; I use slrn to read mailing lists. :-) Some > people, no accounting for taste, ... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiFRzAACgkQS9HxQb37XmfqVQCdFS6VUUHxKFV2fDG1Xy/1Ls88 d54AoK1z1PfOCV2K23hc4g2aRbSUtd2v =tOns -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:34:56 -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > On 07/19/08 23:08, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:59:51 +0100 > > > Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:55 -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. > > >> Well, I thought you would have worked it out from the headers ;-) > > >> > > >> I use Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk - although there several other UK ISPs > > >> offering static IP, rDNS etc - http://aaisp.net/ and > > >> http://www.ukfsn.org spring to mind. > > > > > > I'm confused; neither this message nor your previous one in this thread > > > contains any header mentioning zen. > > > > That's right. Straight from gaia.bobcox.net to liszt.debian.org. > > I'm sorry! But I thought you guys were geeks and could do the detective > work ;-) They're using tbird or mozilla to read mail. You expect them to read Received: headers?!? I'm not much better; I use slrn to read mailing lists. :-) Some people, no accounting for taste, ... -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat,19.Jul.08, 18:43:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/19/08 17:26, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sat,19.Jul.08, 12:35:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > [snip] > >> Decrease the frequency at which you check your mail? > > > > I just did (from 5 to 15 min). Let's see if this helps. > > If that helps, then you didn't cure the problem, only mask it. I > say that because I've been doing 5 minute fetchmail pulls for 4 > years, and it works like a charm. In the last reject there was this link: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 My getmailrc also didn't use the full email as username (which is also mentioned there). I'll wait for about a week and then put gmail back on 5 min., because I retrieve mail using a small self-backed script which ensures I don't have two instances at a time. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:34:56 -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 07/19/08 23:08, Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:59:51 +0100 > > Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:55 -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. > >> Well, I thought you would have worked it out from the headers ;-) > >> > >> I use Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk - although there several other UK ISPs > >> offering static IP, rDNS etc - http://aaisp.net/ and > >> http://www.ukfsn.org spring to mind. > > > > I'm confused; neither this message nor your previous one in this thread > > contains any header mentioning zen. > > That's right. Straight from gaia.bobcox.net to liszt.debian.org. I'm sorry! But I thought you guys were geeks and could do the detective work ;-) You found the right line: Received: from gaia.bobcox.net (gaia.bobcox.net [82.71.52.122]) by liszt.debian.org gaia.bobcox.net [82.71.52.122] is me. 82.71.52.122 is my static IP, provided by the good people at Zen. $ whois 82.71.52.122 should give you the information. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/19/08 23:08, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:59:51 +0100 > Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:55 -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> wrote: >> >>> Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. >> Well, I thought you would have worked it out from the headers ;-) >> >> I use Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk - although there several other UK ISPs >> offering static IP, rDNS etc - http://aaisp.net/ and >> http://www.ukfsn.org spring to mind. > > I'm confused; neither this message nor your previous one in this thread > contains any header mentioning zen. That's right. Straight from gaia.bobcox.net to liszt.debian.org. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiCzoAACgkQS9HxQb37XmeFPACg1d9Iw/BujfkftNrUsAFgcILt hl4AoIy7u1mXK2z+fV9tSEjxSL5F7cFr =os+I -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:59:51 +0100 Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:55 -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. > > Well, I thought you would have worked it out from the headers ;-) > > I use Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk - although there several other UK ISPs > offering static IP, rDNS etc - http://aaisp.net/ and > http://www.ukfsn.org spring to mind. I'm confused; neither this message nor your previous one in this thread contains any header mentioning zen. > Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/19/08 17:26, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,19.Jul.08, 12:35:37, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] >> Decrease the frequency at which you check your mail? > > I just did (from 5 to 15 min). Let's see if this helps. If that helps, then you didn't cure the problem, only mask it. I say that because I've been doing 5 minute fetchmail pulls for 4 years, and it works like a charm. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiCfCMACgkQS9HxQb37Xmf5ewCfU3YU4TszvIuOQY5XOlyo8EeO +BYAoKtNuxpn4ejW3/HfqQvRJuT/KuCu =a43k -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat,19.Jul.08, 12:35:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:34 -0700, David Barrett wrote: > > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: > > > > > >> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, > > > > > > I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite > > > often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my > > > password was rejected. > > > > > > If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. This > > > is getting pretty annoying! > > > > I'm having this all the time as well. I use Thunderbird with IMAP with > > two different Google Apps accounts, and the passwords for both just > > spontaneously stop working for a while, and then start working again > > shortly. > > Decrease the frequency at which you check your mail? I just did (from 5 to 15 min). Let's see if this helps. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:36:57PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 19:04 -0700, Brian Marshall wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. > > > > > > If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep > > > your data and your apps on your local machine. > > > > So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email service > > with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? > > Host it yourself on an extra machine shoved in a closet. Works for me. > > > The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up > > everything for email on a local server (not the least of which > > preventing this is the restrictions of a consumer-level ISP) and no > > other free mail service provides the same benefits as Gmail. > > There's always other ISPs. If you're on Comcast, try switching to DSL. > The telcos are, for the first time in a very long time, the lesser of > two evils. I want to second that on switching to DSL. Further, you can often find DSL resellers that work with the phone company but have their own block of ip. My guy charges me about $60.00 per year on top of the regular dsl charge. For that I get true static ip in a non-dynamic ip block (keeps me off the blacklists). I get fantastic personalized service. And I get a complete hands off policy with no closed ports. The speed is not as good as cable, but I don't really care. It's plenty fast enough for whatever I feel like doing. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:56:37PM -0700, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 07:13 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > [0] I don't drink coffee, but I believe that four or five cups here in > > Seattle would equal my monthly $20 payment to Slicehost. > > You're doing it wrong. Buy the whole bean coffee, grind and brew it > yourself and $20 is closer to 50-100 cups of coffee. Coffee grinder and > french press for the win. I'm not doing it at all. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
Verizon blocks 25 on FiOS, and consumer level service agreements usually prohibit you from running servers. I to asked Verizon about their business service, and it same pipe branded for businesses was 3 times more expensive which meant that I ended up with a virtual hosted solution for our mail and web server. /Allan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 13:24 -0700, Brian Marshall wrote: > Mmm, I'm on Comcast. I tried configuring postfix last week when I > noticed that port 25 is blocked outbound. I gave up when I couldn't > make postfix use SMTP AUTH... Oh, I'm so sorry. I recently switched from Comcast myself. Word of warning: Cancelling your Comcast service will cause Comcast to make up charges and send you to a collection agency even if you close your account with a $0 balance and return all equipment. Thanks to that, I hurt their rating at the BBB in return, as well as their collection agency for buying a false debt in the first place. Good luck. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:36:57 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 19:04 -0700, Brian Marshall wrote: > > The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up > > everything for email on a local server (not the least of which > > preventing this is the restrictions of a consumer-level ISP) and no > > other free mail service provides the same benefits as Gmail. > > There's always other ISPs. If you're on Comcast, try switching to > DSL. The telcos are, for the first time in a very long time, the > lesser of two evils. > Mmm, I'm on Comcast. I tried configuring postfix last week when I noticed that port 25 is blocked outbound. I gave up when I couldn't make postfix use SMTP AUTH... I suppose it would be nice to find another ISP -- hadn't really thought of DSL. -- Brian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:55 -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. Well, I thought you would have worked it out from the headers ;-) I use Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk - although there several other UK ISPs offering static IP, rDNS etc - http://aaisp.net/ and http://www.ukfsn.org spring to mind. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 07:13 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > [0] I don't drink coffee, but I believe that four or five cups here in > Seattle would equal my monthly $20 payment to Slicehost. You're doing it wrong. Buy the whole bean coffee, grind and brew it yourself and $20 is closer to 50-100 cups of coffee. Coffee grinder and french press for the win. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 00:33 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >> An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running > >> 24/7. > > > > Why not? > > > > 1. Because it is expensive and waste of resources. Only if done incorrectly. > 2. If you are running a machine 24/7, the room better have good air > conditioning to reduce all the heat generated. Air conditioning a room > could be very expensive depending on where you live. Low power, compact hardware alleviates this problem. A household server could even be an old laptop, maybe connected to a couple extra external hard drives. It's not like a small office/home network situation really needs a stack of network hardware consuming the entire extra bedroom... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 07:04 +0100, Bob Cox wrote: > Yes, I have used Postfix on my main home server for years now and it is > really pretty much zero maintenance. Because I am fortunate enough to > have a static IP address from my (consumer) ISP, (which is also > thoughtful enough to allow setting of valid rDNS) I send and receive > mail direct-to-mx from my Postfix box here. Name names! I bet other people would like to use that ISP. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 19:04 -0700, Brian Marshall wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. > > > > If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep > > your data and your apps on your local machine. > > So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email service > with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? Host it yourself on an extra machine shoved in a closet. Works for me. > The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up > everything for email on a local server (not the least of which > preventing this is the restrictions of a consumer-level ISP) and no > other free mail service provides the same benefits as Gmail. There's always other ISPs. If you're on Comcast, try switching to DSL. The telcos are, for the first time in a very long time, the lesser of two evils. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:34 -0700, David Barrett wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: > > > >> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, > > > > I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite > > often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my > > password was rejected. > > > > If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. This > > is getting pretty annoying! > > I'm having this all the time as well. I use Thunderbird with IMAP with > two different Google Apps accounts, and the passwords for both just > spontaneously stop working for a while, and then start working again > shortly. Decrease the frequency at which you check your mail? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Fri,18.Jul.08, 19:57:19, Andrew Reid wrote: > On Friday 18 July 2008 13:47, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sat,19.Jul.08, 00:43:13, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > I receive most of my emails through my ISPs POP server (ex. all list > > > > traffic), but I can't use their SMTP server to relay as they don't > > > > allow a different From, not even after authentication. > > > > > > I think you may be confusing "relay" with "open relay". > > > > I have no problem to identify myself as a paying user to their services > > (they do use SMTP AUTH). But afterwards they just plainly end the > > session if the From does not have the address they supply. > > > > Call it whatever you like, but they are still denying functionality to > > paying users (which used to work before). > > I think this is a fairly common anti-spam measure -- I know that > it's the official policy of Verizon for residential accounts. > > It might be possible to get a "business internet" account, > for more money of course, which allows you to relay your own > domain's e-mail through your ISP's servers. I don't think this has anything to do with spam (I already "passed" the AUTH test), but with them trying to advertise their services by making me use their email. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Friday 18 July 2008 13:47, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,19.Jul.08, 00:43:13, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > I receive most of my emails through my ISPs POP server (ex. all list > > > traffic), but I can't use their SMTP server to relay as they don't > > > allow a different From, not even after authentication. > > > > I think you may be confusing "relay" with "open relay". > > I have no problem to identify myself as a paying user to their services > (they do use SMTP AUTH). But afterwards they just plainly end the > session if the From does not have the address they supply. > > Call it whatever you like, but they are still denying functionality to > paying users (which used to work before). I think this is a fairly common anti-spam measure -- I know that it's the official policy of Verizon for residential accounts. It might be possible to get a "business internet" account, for more money of course, which allows you to relay your own domain's e-mail through your ISP's servers. -- A. -- Andrew Reid / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Sat,19.Jul.08, 00:43:13, Chris Bannister wrote: > > I receive most of my emails through my ISPs POP server (ex. all list > > traffic), but I can't use their SMTP server to relay as they don't allow > > a different From, not even after authentication. > > I think you may be confusing "relay" with "open relay". I have no problem to identify myself as a paying user to their services (they do use SMTP AUTH). But afterwards they just plainly end the session if the From does not have the address they supply. Call it whatever you like, but they are still denying functionality to paying users (which used to work before). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:14:42AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,14.Jul.08, 23:16:29, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Most people must configure their MUA to send email to > > smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with > > Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to > > be a relayhost[1]. > > I receive most of my emails through my ISPs POP server (ex. all list > traffic), but I can't use their SMTP server to relay as they don't allow > a different From, not even after authentication. I think you may be confusing "relay" with "open relay". -- Chris. == "One, with God, is always a majority, but many a martyr has been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted." -- Thomas B. Reed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: >--} Ron Johnson wrote: >--} >--} >> An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine > running --} >> 24/7. >--} > >--} > Why not? >--} > >--} >--} 1. Because it is expensive and waste of resources. >--} >--} 2. If you are running a machine 24/7, the room better have good air >--} conditioning to reduce all the heat generated. Air conditioning a room >--} could be very expensive depending on where you live. >--} >--} 3. Some people do not have power 24/7. While it may be surprising to > people --} in developed countries, this is very much true. There are places > where --} power cuts of 5-6 hours a day is very common. If you happen to > live in one --} of these places it simply is not possible to run a machine > 24/7. --} >--} raju We only have solar power, so cannot leave a machine powered up 24/7, or anything on standby for that matter. Everything, when not in use, has to be turned off at the wall. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Tomorrow I will live, the fool does say: Today itself's too late; the wise lived yesterday. __Martial *** Debian, just the best way to create magic ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
Ron Johnson wrote: >> An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running >> 24/7. > > Why not? > 1. Because it is expensive and waste of resources. 2. If you are running a machine 24/7, the room better have good air conditioning to reduce all the heat generated. Air conditioning a room could be very expensive depending on where you live. 3. Some people do not have power 24/7. While it may be surprising to people in developed countries, this is very much true. There are places where power cuts of 5-6 hours a day is very common. If you happen to live in one of these places it simply is not possible to run a machine 24/7. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On 7/16/08, Daniel Burrows wrote: >> plan (extra pay for more MBs). It's too expensive for me to get a >> better plan, and plain not worth the money for the limited needs of >> people here at home. > > I don't know how expensive is "too expensive", but when I got fed up > with my ISP's mail server, I started renting a virtual server to handle > incoming (and now outgoing) email. It's perhaps not as ideal as having > my own hardware, but it's a lot cheaper [0]. There's also a fee for the > domain name, but it's basically negligible. (something like $10/year) > > [0] I don't drink coffee, but I believe that four or five cups here in > Seattle would equal my monthly $20 payment to Slicehost. $20 per month -> (Indian) Rupees 860 per month, which works out to about Rs. 29 per day. That's about six-seven cups of tea/coffee (still a bit above my comfort level), but I get what you mean. I guess it's worth paying that much for the convenience one gets. :-) Thanks. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 05:00:09PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: > On 7/16/08, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running > >> 24/7. > > > > Why not? > > > > Because I currently am using the services of an internet service > provider who claims to be providing "broadband" access under a plan > where I am metered by the byte, and the allowable limit under the > current plan is 400 MB (total two-way traffic) per month under this > plan (extra pay for more MBs). It's too expensive for me to get a > better plan, and plain not worth the money for the limited needs of > people here at home. I don't know how expensive is "too expensive", but when I got fed up with my ISP's mail server, I started renting a virtual server to handle incoming (and now outgoing) email. It's perhaps not as ideal as having my own hardware, but it's a lot cheaper [0]. There's also a fee for the domain name, but it's basically negligible. (something like $10/year) Daniel [0] I don't drink coffee, but I believe that four or five cups here in Seattle would equal my monthly $20 payment to Slicehost. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On 7/16/08, Ron Johnson wrote: >> An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running >> 24/7. > > Why not? > Because I currently am using the services of an internet service provider who claims to be providing "broadband" access under a plan where I am metered by the byte, and the allowable limit under the current plan is 400 MB (total two-way traffic) per month under this plan (extra pay for more MBs). It's too expensive for me to get a better plan, and plain not worth the money for the limited needs of people here at home. Of course, while I'd love to host my own mini-Mail data center, I can't afford it. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/16/08 06:07, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. >> > > I don't think so. It is as evil as using any proprietary software. I use > proprietary software all the time. Their TOS is very restrictive (as is the > case for most proprietary software). So, I just use it not-so-important > stuff. > >> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep >> your data and your apps on your local machine. >> > > local vs machine independent set up for email ... > > I prefer machine independent any time. If you set up your email locally on a > local machine, then what would you do when you go to another place and have > to check email from another machine? In order to have 24/7 access to your > email, now you need to set up ssh and make sure that the local machine runs > 24/7. No, no. You enable IMAPS, and then connect using Thunderbird, Outlook, etc, etc. Or, install Apache and Squirrelmail. > An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running > 24/7. Why not? >In such a case, I definitely recommend using a third party email > service (like gmail, yahoo etc.,) which cost $0, and need no maintenance > from the user. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh92NAACgkQS9HxQb37XmdOfACg4BMyf3qnD38m+xpfafCcmsaC G/sAnRa5eqIiuovuP4dCtQNLoX2aszSw =WdIJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
Ron Johnson wrote: > I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. > I don't think so. It is as evil as using any proprietary software. I use proprietary software all the time. Their TOS is very restrictive (as is the case for most proprietary software). So, I just use it not-so-important stuff. > If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep > your data and your apps on your local machine. > local vs machine independent set up for email ... I prefer machine independent any time. If you set up your email locally on a local machine, then what would you do when you go to another place and have to check email from another machine? In order to have 24/7 access to your email, now you need to set up ssh and make sure that the local machine runs 24/7. An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running 24/7. In such a case, I definitely recommend using a third party email service (like gmail, yahoo etc.,) which cost $0, and need no maintenance from the user. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:23:10 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: > > > Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, > > I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite I haven't had trouble recently. > often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my > password was rejected. > > If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. This > is getting pretty annoying! Haven't seen that. > Andrei Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon,14.Jul.08, 23:16:29, Ron Johnson wrote: > Most people must configure their MUA to send email to > smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with > Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to > be a relayhost[1]. I receive most of my emails through my ISPs POP server (ex. all list traffic), but I can't use their SMTP server to relay as they don't allow a different From, not even after authentication. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:46:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep > your data and your apps on your local machine. I don't keep any data on gmail servers. I use it mainly for posting. Only a limited amount of mail goes through their servers because this is the address I currently post everywhere. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:23:10 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Andrei, > If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. > This is getting pretty annoying! If you don't use the web i/f at GMail, they "do things"(0) to your account. Using the web interface once a week negates any adverse effect. Like Ron, I'm no fan of Gmail. (0) Stopping POP/IMAP access is one of them. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" An old custom to sell your daughter Hong Kong Garden - Siouxsie & The Banshees signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 23:16:29 -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm certain that you *are* running a "complete mail package" and > don't even know it! :O > > Just about all Unix systems use the same MTA[0] to transfer intra- > system mail as they do to transfer mail across the world. Exim is > the Debian default, but many replace it with Postfix. > > Most people must configure their MUA to send email to > smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with > Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to > be a relayhost[1]. > > The way I've configured my system. Thus, in Icedove, I don't set > the smtp server to be smtp.east.cox.net but "haggis", which is my > machine's name. The MTA (Postfix, in my case) then routes the email > to smtp.east.cox.net which then takes it and sends it on to it's > final destination. > > Conversely, fetchmail retrieves my mail from pop.east.cox.net then > passes it to Postfix (which feeds it thru Spam Assassin) and then to > an IMAP server running on my desktop. That's where I (and my wife > and children) read our email from, anywhere on our LAN. Yes, I have used Postfix on my main home server for years now and it is really pretty much zero maintenance. Because I am fortunate enough to have a static IP address from my (consumer) ISP, (which is also thoughtful enough to allow setting of valid rDNS) I send and receive mail direct-to-mx from my Postfix box here. It means most unwanted stuff is *rejected* at the SMTP envelope stage with some pretty simple Postfix rules, rather than having to be accepted before being filtered by Spamassassin or whatever. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:16:29 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07/14/08 22:41, Brian Marshall wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:43:38 -0500 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On 07/14/08 21:04, Brian Marshall wrote: > >>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 > >>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. > > If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, > keep your data and your apps on your local machine. > >>> So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email > >>> service with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? > >>> > >>> The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up > >>> everything for email on a local server > >> Why not? Unless I am misunderstanding you, it's perfectly > >> possible. Here's a link to an emal from just last week about > >> someone doing that: > >> http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3509138-imap-is-teh-r0x0rz.html > > > > Maybe I am just misunderstanding you or the ramifications, but I > > only have a residential ISP package with a dynamic IP and the only > > domain pointing towards it is free from DynDNS. I don't find myself > > in the situation to run a complete mail package like what Gmail and > > others provide. > > I'm certain that you *are* running a "complete mail package" and > don't even know it! :O > > Just about all Unix systems use the same MTA[0] to transfer intra- > system mail as they do to transfer mail across the world. Exim is > the Debian default, but many replace it with Postfix. > > Most people must configure their MUA to send email to > smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with > Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to > be a relayhost[1]. > > The way I've configured my system. Thus, in Icedove, I don't set > the smtp server to be smtp.east.cox.net but "haggis", which is my > machine's name. The MTA (Postfix, in my case) then routes the email > to smtp.east.cox.net which then takes it and sends it on to it's > final destination. > > Conversely, fetchmail retrieves my mail from pop.east.cox.net then > passes it to Postfix (which feeds it thru Spam Assassin) and then to > an IMAP server running on my desktop. That's where I (and my wife > and children) read our email from, anywhere on our LAN. > > [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_transfer_agent > [1]http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relayhost Thanks, that was very informative. I had an understanding of MTAs but not how they interacted with other POP and SMTP servers. After reading your message, I think it's finally coming together now. :P Would this also be possible using Gmail's servers? As I see it, using your ISP's email address would be a pain if you ever had to change ISPs. -- Brian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/14/08 22:41, Brian Marshall wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:43:38 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 07/14/08 21:04, Brian Marshall wrote: >>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 >>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep your data and your apps on your local machine. >>> So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email >>> service with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? >>> >>> The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up >>> everything for email on a local server >> Why not? Unless I am misunderstanding you, it's perfectly possible. >> Here's a link to an emal from just last week about someone doing >> that: >> http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3509138-imap-is-teh-r0x0rz.html > > Maybe I am just misunderstanding you or the ramifications, but I only > have a residential ISP package with a dynamic IP and the only domain > pointing towards it is free from DynDNS. I don't find myself in the > situation to run a complete mail package like what Gmail and others > provide. I'm certain that you *are* running a "complete mail package" and don't even know it! :O Just about all Unix systems use the same MTA[0] to transfer intra- system mail as they do to transfer mail across the world. Exim is the Debian default, but many replace it with Postfix. Most people must configure their MUA to send email to smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to be a relayhost[1]. The way I've configured my system. Thus, in Icedove, I don't set the smtp server to be smtp.east.cox.net but "haggis", which is my machine's name. The MTA (Postfix, in my case) then routes the email to smtp.east.cox.net which then takes it and sends it on to it's final destination. Conversely, fetchmail retrieves my mail from pop.east.cox.net then passes it to Postfix (which feeds it thru Spam Assassin) and then to an IMAP server running on my desktop. That's where I (and my wife and children) read our email from, anywhere on our LAN. [0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_transfer_agent [1]http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relayhost - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh8JJ0ACgkQS9HxQb37Xmc+1gCeNbHMm8kCugVDDSA+YeWlvtQs QdgAoLfVcj4/oGSTq6/UTFHS65O2nwiP =F0H5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:43:38 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07/14/08 21:04, Brian Marshall wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. > >> > >> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, > >> keep your data and your apps on your local machine. > > > > So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email > > service with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? > > > > The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up > > everything for email on a local server > > Why not? Unless I am misunderstanding you, it's perfectly possible. > Here's a link to an emal from just last week about someone doing > that: > http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3509138-imap-is-teh-r0x0rz.html Maybe I am just misunderstanding you or the ramifications, but I only have a residential ISP package with a dynamic IP and the only domain pointing towards it is free from DynDNS. I don't find myself in the situation to run a complete mail package like what Gmail and others provide. -- Brian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/14/08 21:04, Brian Marshall wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. >> >> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep >> your data and your apps on your local machine. > > So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email service > with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? > > The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up > everything for email on a local server Why not? Unless I am misunderstanding you, it's perfectly possible. Here's a link to an emal from just last week about someone doing that: http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3509138-imap-is-teh-r0x0rz.html > (not the least of which > preventing this is the restrictions of a consumer-level ISP) and no > other free mail service provides the same benefits as Gmail. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh8DtoACgkQS9HxQb37Xme5HgCg47SbykcMKwEwsm0sPL+S4aMI EbsAoKxcxKpFDLANMv8FHYbhCIx2g69l =9xLZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:46:07 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. > > If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep > your data and your apps on your local machine. So what would you recommend for a free, ISP-independent email service with IMAP and a sensible amount of storage space? The reason I use Gmail is because there is no way I can set up everything for email on a local server (not the least of which preventing this is the restrictions of a consumer-level ISP) and no other free mail service provides the same benefits as Gmail. -- Brian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/14/08 20:34, David Barrett wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: >> >>> Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, >> >> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite >> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my >> password was rejected. >> >> If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. >> This is getting pretty annoying! > > I'm having this all the time as well. I use Thunderbird with IMAP with > two different Google Apps accounts, and the passwords for both just > spontaneously stop working for a while, and then start working again > shortly. > > The whole reason I switched to Google Apps was to make flakiness like > this go away, grrr... I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen. If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep your data and your apps on your local machine. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh8AV8ACgkQS9HxQb37Xmd3+gCeOiVZvLWY+C3GfRMZ8ysrx8HM XAwAoM3OxG+GB7VUw6BGUVBxjs1IxZJO =FIbb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] GMail troubles [Was: Re: du-guidelines - point 7]
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote: Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface, I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my password was rejected. If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. This is getting pretty annoying! I'm having this all the time as well. I use Thunderbird with IMAP with two different Google Apps accounts, and the passwords for both just spontaneously stop working for a while, and then start working again shortly. The whole reason I switched to Google Apps was to make flakiness like this go away, grrr... -david -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
